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Speaker 1: Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joe SURMELI where's my co host Samack? And I

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Speaker 1: little bit of like damn, you know, I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: There's a little relief there for sure, But you know what,

425
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Speaker 1: we gotta finish where we started. And you started this

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Speaker 1: whole conservation minutes thing, so we to the to the

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Speaker 1: last one. We are sticking to it. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna scrimp. So before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: here's my conservation minute, right. The Center for Biological Diversity

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Speaker 1: filed a legal petition seeking Endangered Species Act protection for

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Speaker 1: the rough head shiner. This is in Virginia and olive

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Speaker 1: colored minnow found only in the Upper James River watership. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you hang one under under bober it's gone, uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: And there're three inch fish name for the bumps on

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Speaker 1: their heads, um and they live mainly in the cow

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Speaker 1: Pasture River and its tributary creeks in Allegheny, Bath, and

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Speaker 1: Craig Counties. UM. And there's a quote in here from

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Speaker 1: Tiara Curry, a senior scientist at the Center. She says

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Speaker 1: the rough head Shiner is an emblem of the quiet

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Speaker 1: extinction crisis unfolding in our nation's rivers. Endangered Species Act

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Speaker 1: Protection will bring a recovery plan to pull it back

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Speaker 1: from the brink. The shiner was first identified as threatened

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Speaker 1: fifty years ago and was put on a waiting list

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Speaker 1: for federal protection. The state of Virginia has identified it

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Speaker 1: as a species of critical concern, but doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: necessary funding for monitoring or restoration. Final quote here, people

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Speaker 1: ask why save one little fish when there are so

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Speaker 1: many other kinds? But it's like march madness, Curry says,

449
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Speaker 1: How boring would it be without all of the different teams?

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Speaker 1: She says, the rough head Shiner is like St. Peter's

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Speaker 1: finally getting its day in the sun. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was cute. That is not at all what that's like anyhow,

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Speaker 1: onto my conservation minute uh per Lake County News dot com.

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Speaker 1: California Department of Fish and Wildlife Director Charlton H. Bonhom

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Speaker 1: has assessed entanglement risk under the Risk Assessment Mitigation Program.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise an in his ramp and announced the closure of

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Speaker 1: the commercial dungeness crab fishery in fishing zones three, four

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Speaker 1: or five and six. Uh. God, I knew there was

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Speaker 1: gonna be something I couldn't pronounce here. Uh that's uh,

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Speaker 1: Sonoma and Mendocino County line Mendocino you think, Okay, Mendocino

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Speaker 1: County line to the US Mexico border, effective at noon

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Speaker 1: on April eighth two. Basically, whales can't avoid this is

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Speaker 1: not the quote. Uh. Basically whales can't avoid crab pot lines.

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Speaker 1: So the season is being closed to up less whales.

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Speaker 1: Uh and we we we actually cover this before when

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Speaker 1: it came to alternative devices to avoid uh, the rope

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Speaker 1: the ropeless lobster pots. Right. So I guess the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the commercial crab lobster fishing industry didn't hear my

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Speaker 1: story and immediately change their tune. Weird? Well, they should,

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Speaker 1: they should, They should pipe up it's now We're never

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Speaker 1: crabbing lobster industry, even though those pots are like hundreds

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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. Anyway, look to the bitter end,

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Speaker 1: this is a competition. We do not know which story

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Speaker 1: the other guy is bringing this week. That is the truth.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is gonna be one final legendary

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Speaker 1: way in from Phil though. I think if Phil is available,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear some some fresh fill, some

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Speaker 1: live film maybe in our final show. But this is

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Speaker 1: the official last news weigh in. I just cannot wait

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Speaker 1: to see what he cooked up. And it's my lead,

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Speaker 1: which is fitting. Um, it's last one. It is my lead.

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Speaker 1: So you know, over the course of Bent, we have

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Speaker 1: rolled our eyes kind of at fish record stories. Right,

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Speaker 1: We've done them time to time when appropriate, and as

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Speaker 1: we've know else, I was gonna say, as we already noted,

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Speaker 1: sometimes we just couldn't find anything better that week, right,

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Speaker 1: And I think the Mighty Phil even once famously said

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Speaker 1: he will not give a win to record stories anymore

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Speaker 1: because there was a period when man, they were just

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Speaker 1: like just flying out the mouth. Um, so how fitting

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Speaker 1: that I close with a record story of sorts. But

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Speaker 1: it's not about a specific record or fish, but records

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Speaker 1: in general. And damn it, I'm doing this to ensure

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Speaker 1: that you walk away from my final news filing with

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Speaker 1: information that you can use to better yourself on the water.

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Speaker 1: That is, that is the damn bent seal of approval

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Speaker 1: as we walk out the door. So this story comes

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Speaker 1: to us from the story, right exactly, that's fine, that's

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Speaker 1: fine anyway. So this comes from the Duluth News Tribune,

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Speaker 1: and it's about data collected by the Lure Love podcast.

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Speaker 1: And what they've done is compiled the most detailed list

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Speaker 1: of record setting lures I've ever seen. Now, this, mind you,

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Speaker 1: is a pretty painstaking process because my understanding, Joe is

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Speaker 1: trying to line up going to the Lure Love podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's where you're gonna hear Joe next. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's yeah, That's that's where I'm headed, Guys, the

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Speaker 1: Loure Love podcast. Lure Love, Joe's from Elly. Now, don't

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Speaker 1: make fun of those guys. Let's into what they did, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm so not making fun of you. Okay, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: that's fine. You can do that for forever. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: this is a painstaking process because, as I understand it.

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Speaker 1: While the International Game Fish Association keeps the records, the

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Speaker 1: things that caught each fish are not set up in

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Speaker 1: a database that can be searched or ranked by bait,

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Speaker 1: fly or lore, which means whoever runs that podcast did

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Speaker 1: this ship manually. Here's a quote from the story. The

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Speaker 1: folks at lore Love podcast looked at nineteen thousand, six

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Speaker 1: hundred records for one thousand, six hundred forty nine species

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Speaker 1: of fresh and saltwater fish, including six thousand, seven fourteen

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Speaker 1: current record holders and twelve thousand, ninety six retired record

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Speaker 1: fish that once held the record but have since been beaten. Now,

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Speaker 1: the caveat here is that there are no requirements for

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Speaker 1: the level of detail, and angler has to provide the

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Speaker 1: i g f A when he or she submits a catch. So,

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Speaker 1: as the story notes, some records simply say lure in

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Speaker 1: the space on the forum for what caught the fish.

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Speaker 1: So the fellows at lore Love collected all this data,

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Speaker 1: factored in some of these vague entries, did a little

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Speaker 1: scratch math, and they came up with a few different lists.

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Speaker 1: One was records per lure style, the other was by

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Speaker 1: specific lure brand. So we're gonna add just for sheets,

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Speaker 1: a little touch of trivia here and fishing caught all

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Speaker 1: of that. Can you guess which lure style has claimed

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Speaker 1: the most world record fish? Folks at home, take a

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Speaker 1: second to think about your answer. This is just a style,

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Speaker 1: not a specific lord, just a a category of lure.

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Speaker 1: Am I supposed to guess? Now? Yes, stick bates incorrect.

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Speaker 1: The correct answer is jig now of course, uh. Since

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Speaker 1: jig was such a common answer, it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 1: break jigs out into further categories. But to me, I

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Speaker 1: don't really believe that matters all that much, because in

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Speaker 1: my mind, it's just proof that the action of a

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Speaker 1: jig is hard to beat, and it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 1: what kind of jig we're talking about. A hair jig, right,

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Speaker 1: is pretty much doing the same thing in the water

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Speaker 1: for walleyes as a bucktail jig is doing for stripers,

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Speaker 1: as a flair hawk is doing for snook as a

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Speaker 1: jig and pig is doing for bass. It's the same

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Speaker 1: basic action in the same basic designs. So per the

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Speaker 1: findings these guys findings, jigs of some sort a jig

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Speaker 1: has claimed one thousand, one five world record fish. So

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Speaker 1: next question any guests at the second most record catching

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Speaker 1: lore style spoon. That is correct, spoon spoon is the

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Speaker 1: number two. But here's what's fascinating. Jigs caught one thousand,

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Speaker 1: one five world record fish. Take a swing at the

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Speaker 1: total number of record fish. The number two spoon has

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Speaker 1: caught two seven very close two hundred and eleven, so

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Speaker 1: that that is a staggering difference right between the number

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Speaker 1: one and number two slots for the most world record

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Speaker 1: catching this lure um. The number three spot is held

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Speaker 1: by plastic Worms slash grubs with one world records, followed

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Speaker 1: by Plugs in the number four spot with a hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy seven world records. Now, as I mentioned, the

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Speaker 1: lure Love team also took the liberty God bless him

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Speaker 1: of breaking down the count by brand, and the number

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Speaker 1: one slot by brand should be no surprise. But let's

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Speaker 1: see how good you are. Which lower brand holds more

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Speaker 1: world records than any other Hashimoto concepts? Uh uh no,

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Speaker 1: The answer is Rapela with a total of four nine

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Speaker 1: world records. And it's it's I said before that Plugs

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Speaker 1: only caught one and seventy seven world records. But Plugs

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Speaker 1: before because I did say that before absolutely I absolutely did,

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Speaker 1: followed by plugs in the number four spot with a

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven world records, but plugs in the

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Speaker 1: other category and the other bracket did not encompass crank baits,

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Speaker 1: top orders and jerk baits. They were all ranked separately,

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Speaker 1: So those four nine records for Rappola are across all categories.

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Speaker 1: Rappla plays in not just the original rapple of floater.

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Speaker 1: UH number two brand any guesses? God, you're such a

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Speaker 1: nerd man. I'm done with this, um number two brand?

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Speaker 1: Um No, I don't have a guess. MAPS takes the

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Speaker 1: number two spot with world records, but interestingly, inline spinners

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Speaker 1: account for only one world records total, So if nine

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Speaker 1: of them belong to MAPS, good for you, MEPs, way

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00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: to slack off their Panther Martin where you at. Panther

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Speaker 1: has only ever claimed seventeen world records total. Um how

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Speaker 1: many of the Swiss wing I E I'd have to

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Speaker 1: go back to the listening hold on a second, how

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Speaker 1: many in line spinner records were there? So, according to

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Speaker 1: their findings, there are one hundred and ten world record

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Speaker 1: fish that have been caught on inline spinners, and then

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Speaker 1: according to their brand findings. Of those ten were on

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Speaker 1: maps spinners and how many were on the other one,

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Speaker 1: Panther Martin It well, it says seventeen. But keep in

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Speaker 1: mind they don't just make inline spinners. That could be

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Speaker 1: a Panther Martin vivif or you know some of the

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Speaker 1: soft plastic stuff they make, so it's it's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: broken down that way. Welcome to gotcha journalism, folks. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: now I found this fascinating. The number three spot goes

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Speaker 1: to yo Zuri, which is fascinating because compared to other

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Speaker 1: brands on that list, it really hasn't been around all

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Speaker 1: that long, so that says something about yo Zuri. Um,

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00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: it far out ranks brands like Cordell, Rebel and Rooster Tail.

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Speaker 1: So that's it. And props to the lower Love podcast

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Speaker 1: is for doing all that painstaking work so somebody else

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: like me or Hayden didn't have to. Um and as

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Speaker 1: you are, you brought up thirteen. I'm going to make

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Speaker 1: it my personal mission to get a thirteen more ranked

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Speaker 1: world record rock bass on a poppy pop face tune

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Speaker 1: in this summer. Watch it happen live, Well, Joe, what

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00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: a what a wonderful. Uh you know, I did this

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Speaker 1: kind of the same thing that Shark Trivia, the Hayden

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Speaker 1: Shark a Shark Attack Trivia Challenge quiz show, Hayden's Jaws

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Speaker 1: Pop Quiz Retribution Shark and Shark Attack Trivia Challenge Quiz Show.

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Speaker 1: So your poem I didn't keep RELI yeah. Yeah. As

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Speaker 1: soon as that was done, I was like, it's time

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Speaker 1: for me to leave. No, I'm just kidding. Please enter

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Speaker 1: your password. You have one unheard message, Joe, Joe, well

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Speaker 1: even be here like one of those sad dogs and

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Speaker 1: Sarah McLaughlin commercial. Man, come on, all right, Well, I

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Speaker 1: hope everything turns out good for you, Joe and you

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Speaker 1: get to do all the things in your fishy future. Man,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. Um. Also you for abandoning,

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Speaker 1: all right by Joe. End of message delete press seven

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Speaker 1: save deleted. Okay, So, for a final time this weekend

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Speaker 1: fish News, I actually did a real story. We're covering something,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Um, we're covering something super heavy and catastrophe. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: uh not just kidding. We're gonna end it on a

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Speaker 1: pretty neutral note. Here with the story courtesy of shoal

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Speaker 1: in the Guardian and that's uh, that's two publications, SHOAL

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Speaker 1: and The Guardian. Uh not a maritime themed in the

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Speaker 1: rock band anyway. Uh. SHOAL has just released there are

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Speaker 1: one guide of newly discovered species. The document details of

634
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Speaker 1: discovery of two and twelve species of freshwater fish, with

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00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: notable entries given some extra love upfront. Basically, it's a

636
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Speaker 1: guide to eight or ten fish that are cool slash

637
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: do cool ship and then a list of a bunch

638
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: of other less cool fish. Um. We we've actually talked

639
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: about this right by the way ahead. We've actually talked

640
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: about the SHOAL organization before. When when I highlighted the

641
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: discovery of a fish I could have pronounced in an

642
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: area I also couldn't pronounced. I think it was somewhere

643
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: in Turkey and I forget. I just remember that Miles

644
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: called me and gave me a bunch of ship over.

645
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because you couldn't pronounce the Turkish president's name.

646
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, still can't. SHOAL is an organization whose mission

647
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: it is to discover, rediscover and document fresh water fish

648
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: is As far as I know, they're the single largest

649
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: organization highlighting the important but often overlook conservation issues surrounding

650
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: those fresh water fish. So I got the story from

651
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: the Guardian. But rather than explicating the article, let's just

652
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: dive into what you guys really want to hear about

653
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: the cool fish at the top of the list. Let's

654
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: start with this banger, the wolverine pleco. Love it. I

655
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: just love the word pleco. Pleco is good. I've had

656
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: some plecos and some tanks. Yeah, yeah, well there you go.

657
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: So uh. Pleaco is an armored catfish, a popular aquarium fish,

658
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: and in many cases, an extremely invasive species. In fact,

659
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you you did a store on them

660
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: in Texas. Texas. They're overrun with what they're around with

661
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: them some bitches down there. You need some platos. Don't

662
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: go to pet Smart, go to Texas well. Enter the

663
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: wolverine pleco. Now, Joe, what is the primary defense mechanism

664
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: of a catfish, aside from being slippery and breaking leaders

665
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: right at the boat, all kinds of sharp, pointy spines

666
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and junk. Indeed, the spines. Like many other species of catfish,

667
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: the wolverine pleco has spines, but unlike many species of catfish,

668
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 1: the arm replecco has these kind of like spiny arm

669
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: projections right by its guilt plates, and it's actually able

670
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: to thrust those at predators and I guess presumably pray

671
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe maximal thrust. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't say that in

672
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: the report, but it sounds cool. Uh sorry science anyway. Uh,

673
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: that's where it gets its name after the X Men character,

674
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: because of its ability to thrust its spines up its

675
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: little fish arms. It should also be noted that these

676
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: things up researchers so much that they included this quote

677
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: we all had our fingers injured or bleeding by the

678
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: violence of them trying to pinch us with their big

679
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: lateral hooks on the head in the official report. Did

680
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: you just make a salad fingers reference? No, no, I

681
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: said my fingers hurt, which is uh from everybody knows

682
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: where that's from. It from Billy Madison. No, it's it's

683
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: not from Happy Gilmore to Gilmore. That's why I don't

684
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: deserve to be here, because I just confused Happy Gilmore

685
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: and Billy Madison. I'm I apologize so much, among other things. Anyway,

686
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 1: So there was another notable find, and it came from India.

687
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: The Mumbai blind Eel a red eyelis demon snake fish.

688
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: While that in itself is kind of cool, the real

689
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: coincidence is where they found it. For the report, the

690
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: eel was found quote somewhat ironically for a blind fish,

691
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: a forty ft well on the premises of a school

692
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: for the blind. Okay, And I'd like to point out

693
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: that this is not the right use of ironically. It's coincidental.

694
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: It would be ironic if it were found at a

695
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: school for the visually gifted. That's terrific. There's a T

696
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: shirt wrapped up in there somewhere anyway. Yeah. So, so

697
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: finally we have a new species of trout found in

698
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Speaker 1: Turkey Salmo bliki. Uh. First off, anytime there's like a

699
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: new trout discovered, I get a little bit excited because one,

700
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: I like the fishery trout and of the time they're

701
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: like beautiful fish. This one looks like something halfway between,

702
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: like a a bowl in brown trout with like dime

703
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: sized orange spots, Like have you ever seen like somebody

704
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: post a picture of a brown with like those crazy

705
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: big like ten twenty scale like orange like you know, yeah,

706
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: just yeah. It sounds like somebody is already there filming

707
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: it for the fly Fishing film tours, so we'll see

708
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: it next season. Yeah. Well that said, Um, this very

709
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: pretty fish is in a serious peril because by the

710
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: time researchers discovered it and recognized it as a separate species,

711
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: it already become the victim of ghost fishing. Ghost fishing,

712
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: which sounds like what you'd call texting a potential love

713
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: interest a picture of someone else and then ignoring them

714
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: forever once they respond. Uh. As far as I could tell,

715
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: it's just a weird way of saying poaching. Um. Although

716
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: there are strict rules in place to protect trout in

717
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: this region, they're often flat out ignored, and the ruralness

718
00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: of the areas in which they're found make regulations basically unenforceable. Anyway. Um,

719
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: that is that's my wrap on fish News. Buddy, Well,

720
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: best of luck to the Salmo Biliki. I think they're

721
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: having the same problems as the timing that everybody loves.

722
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: They're out there so remotely that you just can't police

723
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: near we are we are we ending fish News with

724
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Joe mispronouncing something. Is it Tayman or tim In? I

725
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: think Floyd outside of the podcast studio I ask him

726
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: that was That was a very fun ending to Fish News.

727
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: That was a good time, and we like to keep

728
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: the good times rolling here. So this is it. I've

729
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: spent a year and a half trying to figure out

730
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: what the hell Phil wants? Phil? What do you want?

731
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: What was the actual secret to winning? Can you let

732
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: us know? What do you want? Phil? What did you

733
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: want from us? This whole time? I just can't handle

734
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: the pressure, happy man. So we're gonna We're gonna hear

735
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: from old Phil one more time and then UM, because

736
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: because I think we all needed and because it's calming

737
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: and soothing, We've got one more sage Lee Wisdom with

738
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: the very real river Horse lined up, UM and I

739
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: I think it is a perfect closer from river Horse,

740
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: and I hope you guys enjoy it as much as

741
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: I did Chester Tayman or Timon. I don't even really

742
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: know how to start this. Um. I'm a little sad,

743
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: to be honest, and I'm sure everyone listening is to Uh.

744
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: When I came into this recording that I'm doing right now,

745
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, it's the last fish News. How do

746
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: I tap myself? Do I kill myself again but actually

747
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: stay dead? Do I tell another story about a cracking?

748
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: But this time, make it twenty minutes long instead of

749
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: just ten like last time. I don't know, but I thought, no, no, no,

750
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do any of that, No pomp and circumstance,

751
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: nothing special. This is about you, Joe and Hayden, not me.

752
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: So I'm going to answer your quest. And Joe, what

753
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: did I want? What was I looking for during all

754
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: of these fish news segments? What did I want? Well,

755
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: it's easy. I want you to want me. I've all

756
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: you to walthy, ivy you me me lovey, I beg

757
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: you to beg me. Shut up your brown shoes, put

758
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: on the Brandon shirt, get holder from work. Did you

759
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: say baginal fynn? See crying? Oh? Dinna see crying? Feel

760
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: a long French? Know you feel like trying? Oh? Do

761
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: you not? Did not? Did not see you crying down?

762
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Joe and Hayden, we're all winners today. Whatsout? Hey? Now,

763
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: this is a river horse coming to you from the

764
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: Deep South with some sagely wisdom. Today's story is all

765
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: about getting on a roll in this short, bleating, fragile,

766
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: and ever beautiful life. There will be some obligatory tides

767
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: the good times All Hetty and sublime, the tough times,

768
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: the belly ups, the dust ups that may leave you

769
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: on the flat of your back, and sometimes even the

770
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: first place take the trophy finishes far ahead of the

771
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: pretenders and all points in between. This is all par

772
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: for the course and how we learn to appreciate the

773
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: smallest moments for the sweet bounty they are. Life asks

774
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: us to roll up our sleeves and go full bore,

775
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: sleep in the dirt, and pay our dues to get

776
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: to the magical moments out in wilderness, especially with fishing.

777
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: This story is about unleashing it at a little city

778
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: park pond, absolutely laying it down baby, opening up a

779
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: supreme can of war bass with the quickly chosen fly.

780
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: And it's called L Grande, l Grande. I've gone cross.

781
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I've been riding for three days straight on deadline for

782
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: a fourteen pager about Merle Haggard's former guitarist. The masses

783
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: in Houston are no doubt going ape ship everywhere. For

784
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: today is the beginning of a long, sunny spring weekend,

785
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: so I make it a point to avoid places that

786
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: aren't far off the grid on the weekends. This afternoon

787
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: found me in the throes of wanton lust for bass.

788
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: Just one fish and I could start to put things

789
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: together again. From golf courses to ranches, country clubs, lakes,

790
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: rivers behind mcmansion's and city park ponds. They are endless,

791
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: corpulent Texas bass. Within minutes, with just a couple hours

792
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: to go until dark, I hit the closest run from

793
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: the Bungalows front door and as expected, have to park

794
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the truck on the grass since it was packed to

795
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: the rafters. I don't bring much to easy local runs

796
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: like these. A little seven ft three way with the

797
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: sixteen pound leader and a handful of my favorite fly

798
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: in the world, the Umpqua diving frog. Most of us

799
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: all have a go to fly. This is mine. They

800
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: say you need all sorts of flies for bass, but

801
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: I could give a rats ass about what people say.

802
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: I'd rather probe top water and the weedy shallows and coves,

803
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: then go subsurface, no matter what fish I might miss

804
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: out on. Anything else is dredging to me. I'll admit it.

805
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 1: I get off watching that little green frogs bit, hump

806
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: and growl all the way home if the bite is

807
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: on all fish. If not, fine, I'll hang on the

808
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: banks and have a sandwich of beer and a nap.

809
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: This city park is small. It doesn't take more than

810
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to work your way around it. I wedge

811
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: in between the hordes of good old boys with bobbers

812
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: and with only a couple of seconds. Damn if that

813
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: frog pupper doesn't deliver the goods. I can attest that

814
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: my fishing abilities are not really anything special. I put

815
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: in my time, But some days there's been plenty of

816
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: brutal skunks, schoolings and tails between the legs all the

817
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: way home drives. Not to day, I stopped six times

818
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: and six sweetheart baths and nail the frog and go

819
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: hay wire while the piste off glares come from all sides.

820
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: There hadn't been any fish cut all day until now

821
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: when I showed up, and then six in a row.

822
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm on the final stretch of water, a fifty foot

823
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: cluster of reads, cattails and lily pads, without much room

824
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: for a badcast. I lean up for one mast, go round,

825
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: and that's the swim frog lands. It goes down in

826
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: an implosive swirl on a three weight. You know, pretty

827
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: damn quick when things are serious. Unable to high stick

828
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: this one. The rod submerges a foot under the water,

829
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: and I just let him burrow and run. A giant

830
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: crowd gathers behind me while all the other fishermen just

831
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: stare with brownie faces. I finally dragged the enormous, fatass

832
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 1: bass to the bank, and I hear screams, shouts, howls,

833
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: and cheers from the rabbit gallery. El Grande, El Grande,

834
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: El Grande, Oh yes she is. Let's agree that fishing

835
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: it is not always about fishing, and it's often brutally humbling.

836
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: Some days you get the chicken, other days just the feathers.

837
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: But for those who say fishing is not about catching fish,

838
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: oh bullshit. I hold El Grande a law for all

839
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: to sea. Feeling like I just shot the moon. The

840
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: throngs of kids are jumping up and down, hooting and

841
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 1: pumping fists into the sky. Cell Phone cameras chirp away.

842
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: I see the expectant characters with obscene cooking forks and hands,

843
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and drool forming on their lips. As the smoke from

844
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: all the barbecue grills and the park gently loats into

845
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: the skies, El Grande is released with redemption on his lips.

846
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: The entire park goes utterably silent. And that's our sagely

847
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: wisdom for this time, my brothers and sisters. And remember

848
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: never be afraid to let them go on to be

849
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: cut another day. If your table is already full of

850
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: goodness and your freezer, you'll reap the bounty and the

851
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: days ahead you just watch. Now, get out there and

852
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: find your own groove. I will see you along the path.

853
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: So I couldn't think of a more fitting final stage

854
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: lee wisdom. I swear I did not have river Horse

855
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: penn that around my departure. In fact, I didn't even

856
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: ask the guy for a new stage Lely wisdom like

857
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: the Venemo payment. No no, no, no, there's no dude.

858
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: Literally like this is how river Horse operates. I'll be

859
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: I'll be like falling asleep at midnight and all of

860
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's just like my my phone lights up

861
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: and there's like ten new audio files from river Horse's

862
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: has to like cup your night a little bit. Man,

863
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: you're dripping off so peacefully and now it's like four

864
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: am and you're staring at the ceiling. Well, but he

865
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: seems like one of those guys where it's like when

866
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: inspiration hits, he's going right now like you're gonna hear

867
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: his words right now. But I listen to that one

868
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: when he said it, and I said, man, this just

869
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: works so much of what he said they're resonated with me,

870
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: particularly putting them back. If you're played is full. And

871
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: I hope I actually get to spend some time with

872
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: that guy someday. I would really love that. Did you

873
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: ever tell him about that note we got from that

874
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: one listener that said his voice makes his girlfriend to

875
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: act and he's not sure if he likes it. I did.

876
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: I did tell him that one fight for the last time.

877
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: What just as a reminder, River horses very real. People

878
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: have been speculating that he's a made up character and

879
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: he is not. You need to follow him on the

880
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: gram and read his writing because he is one of

881
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: a kind. Anyway, Uh, you know, here's what we're gonna do.

882
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna close out this week's show with the o

883
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: G closer, the original closer, that being end of the line.

884
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: We're gonna skip the bent helpline here, but stick around

885
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: because we're gonna do a night fishing. Um. But this

886
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: was always one of my favorite segments to put together.

887
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I've always loved the end of the line. But I'm

888
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: actually gonna let Hayden give us one final end of

889
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: the line entry here because um, while I may have

890
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: had more end of the lines over the last year

891
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: and a half, some of yours have been my favorites.

892
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: So let's find out which fly you cannot live without. Well,

893
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: that's not loud enough. Spring is finally starting to make

894
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: its way out west, and that's great because I'm just

895
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: about over fishing through through two ft of ice. In

896
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the observation of a particularly beautiful afternoon, I recently decided

897
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: to get out and make a quick afterwork hit on

898
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: one of my favorite little streams just north of town.

899
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: I got to the water and I looked in my box.

900
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: I pretended to consider this fly and that fly, but

901
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: I knew what I'd end up tying on. And it's

902
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: a fly I've talked about here on the podcast often,

903
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: that faithful fishy size twelve tongue heads CDC soft tackle

904
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: pheasant tail nymph with the orange hotspot. It's been my

905
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: go to for years and I think it always will be.

906
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: Pheasant tails are my favorite nymphs period. You can keep

907
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: your Waltz worms, your Paradagon's your hair's here. I don't

908
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: know what it is about them, but man, those things

909
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: just fish. And sure my version of it is far

910
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: from classic. I mean, it's tied on a jig hook,

911
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: but the classic tie works beautifully as well. But what

912
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: is the classic tie when we're talking about a pheasant

913
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: tail nymph? To answer that, we need to go all

914
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: the way back to the invention of the pheasant tail

915
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: and its inventor. Frank Sawyer was a was first river

916
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: keeper on the Avon at Lake in Wiltshire, managing six

917
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: miles of river right by modern day Stingshouse. I know

918
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: that's not really relevant to the story, but I think

919
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: it's funny that Sting owns that place now and I

920
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: had to work that in there anyhow. Sawyer worked there

921
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: for about three years until moving on to the Officers

922
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: Fishing Association, which is now known as the Serve His

923
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: Dry Fly Fishing Association. The s d f f A

924
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: is a fishing club along the River Avon, and it's

925
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: open exclusively to active duty and retired military as well

926
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: as a very few number of civilians. Sawyer worked there

927
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: until his death. As a river keeper at the Services

928
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: Dry Fly Fishing Association UH Sawyer spent his life on

929
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: the water and eventually became known for not only his stewardship,

930
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: but for his his sunken nymph fly patterns as well.

931
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: In he developed his most enduring of those patterns, the

932
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: pheasant tail nymph. The pheasant tail is considered one of

933
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: the oldest modern nymph patterns that we use today. The

934
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: original tying of the pheasant tail nymph is unique by

935
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: today's standards for one main reason. It did not include

936
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: the use of thread. In fact, the original pheasant tail

937
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: only included fibers from the tail of a cock pheasant

938
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: and copper wire. After tying the pheasant tail, fibers in

939
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 1: the wire and fibers would be twisted together before being

940
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 1: wound around the hook shank to form the body of

941
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: the nymph. Tying in this way achieved two things. It

942
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: created a durable body and a certain amount of flash

943
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: where the wire would peek out in between the fibers. Today,

944
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: we mostly fish a variant of the original pattern, the

945
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: most basic of which is only a small departure from

946
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: Sawyers with the inclusion of a peacock hurl. Thorax I

947
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: like to fish a variant with soft tackle and a beadhead.

948
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: There are endless ways to modify the pattern, and no

949
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: matter where you go, you're likely to find some local

950
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: variant that, for one reason or another, seems to outfish

951
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: all others. One thing I know is that Sawyer's inspired

952
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: pattern will forever be my go to, And no matter

953
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: where I'm fishing, when it comes to trout, You're more

954
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: likely than not to see a pheasant tail nymph on

955
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: the end of my line. So that's it for this week, degenerates.

956
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: We've got one week of bent left and we're gonna

957
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: close out doing a little reminiscing having some laughs. So

958
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: join us. However, I regret to inform you, God that

959
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: we we no longer need you to keep sending those

960
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: awkward moments sale items. Barner. We need you, but we

961
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: don't need the We don't need, we don't need the

962
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: you stick around, keep your emails to yourselves. Uh, you

963
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: can stop sending all that, John to Ben at the

964
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: mediator dot com. So um, yeah, and uh, and how

965
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: about a little uh. We've talked about the hashtags, Joe, Yeah,

966
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: what about a little note on the hashta Here's what

967
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about the hashtags, right, Uh, bent or not,

968
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: You'll always be degenerate anglers, so will I, so will Hayden.

969
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: So I vow to keep monitoring the degenerate angler hashtag

970
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: on the Graham. You know I'm a people person, um.

971
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: I love shooting the ship with you guys on social.

972
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: Unlike Miles, who disappeared on social when he left, I

973
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: shall not because I know how to set up a

974
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: goddamn Instagram account properly. So yeah, and I'm trying to

975
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: be an influencer, so I'll be there too. I'm just kidding,

976
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm one thing that we might look

977
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 1: forward to on social. Joe Is, I might even start

978
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: tie along Tuesday's back. You should, I talk? You should?

979
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: You should keep doing tie along Tuesday's hell. I might

980
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: even join you now and again. Anyway, I can't tell

981
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: you guys how much fun it has been making this show.

982
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: And while every week has been a blast, some bits

983
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: just stood out more than others. That's a hint for

984
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: next week. Yes, we're gonna go full on mystery science

985
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: theater Ben style. I might even drink a red beer

986
00:59:24,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: while we're doing you know, I gotta say so night

987
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: fishing was your idea and I liked it, and I

988
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: am I am sorry that we are not going to

989
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: continue that on because I do love a good secret track. Um,

990
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: but full disclosure. Like throughout this you have been a

991
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: little like I'll just let it, just let it go.

992
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: Answer as many questions as we want. I'm always the

993
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: guy like, no, there is their schedule, there is time,

994
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: there is we have to be finished by only four

995
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: pick four and today. To be honest with you, man,

996
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: like we're just you have there. I am looking at

997
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: a lot of questions here and I will we can

998
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: answer them all. I give zero ships right now. We

999
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: can make this a whole another two hour podcast for

1000
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: all I care. All right, well let's try. Alright, so folks,

1001
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: well see where we go. Just go with the flow. Okay,

1002
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: So folks, welcome to Night Fishing. Um. This is the

1003
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: thing that we did once and now we'll have done twice.

1004
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: Um we're second times. It's charm. Yeah, we're gonna answer

1005
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: some of your most most pertinent questions. And because this

1006
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: is the last ever installment of Night Fishing, I figured, uh,

1007
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, hell, we'll we'll see how many we can

1008
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: get to. So there is no time on the clock.

1009
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: We're just gonna kind of rip through as many as

1010
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: we can and then uh yeah, I'll be it. So Joe,

1011
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with this one. This comes from and

1012
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 1: all these resources on Instagram. This comes from Wally eight

1013
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: nine one. If you had one fish to fish for

1014
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life besides snakeheads and bourbon,

1015
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: which is I assume referencing our personal inclinations, what would

1016
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: that fish be. Mine would be bourbon. Mine would be snakeheads.

1017
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: There you go, Wally, na, Uh, that's come up with

1018
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: me before you know. There is no one there. There's

1019
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: not like I can whittle it down to fresh and salt.

1020
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: I guess it would be striped bass and wild browns.

1021
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: Those are my two. Like if I if I really

1022
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: had to pick two stripers and wild browns for me, Ali, Yeah,

1023
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean like okay, so from like the sporting aspect

1024
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: and like where they take me, I would have to

1025
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: go for just like trout, you know, maybe even cut throats,

1026
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: just because I think they're cool and they live in

1027
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: beautiful places and I don't know, there's like a certain

1028
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: like poetic element to uh to trout fishing. If I

1029
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: were to go for like something that I really want

1030
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: to eat a lot um you know, probably like tuna,

1031
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: something like that, some some good, some like sashimi. Well yeah,

1032
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I could answer that question, like,

1033
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: if I had to pick one, it would be tuna.

1034
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: But I ain't got that kind of money, Wally, Tuna

1035
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: is expensive, you know what I mean? Was a financial

1036
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: constraint on it? All right? So well then I just

1037
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: pop tuna like endless summer all, you know, all summer

1038
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: long in the Northeast, and then I'd go to Australia.

1039
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: So that's when I would go there. You go, all right,

1040
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 1: So Joe, if the format of these, I'm just gonna

1041
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: keep pitching them to you. You lead off off all

1042
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: you Uh. This one comes from Derek the fancy caveman

1043
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: who asks been to Manitoba? Are you hunting the spring

1044
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: any bear plans? No, No, and no I've not been

1045
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: to Manitoba. I'd like to. I'd like to go to

1046
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: bc BC people you have been riding me on that

1047
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: I have. I have never found my way to British Columbia.

1048
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I've done Saskatchewan way up north and it was one

1049
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: of the coolest, top five coolest trips I've ever been on.

1050
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: In my life. That was a pike trip. Am I

1051
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: hunting the spring? No? Any bear plans, no, believe it

1052
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 1: or not. There was a time, boys and girls when

1053
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: I did both hunt and fish. Um, and then eventually

1054
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just the fish guy, So no

1055
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: none for me. Alright. Well, UM, my answers are no,

1056
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: yes and uh and yes. Um. I've never been to Manitoba.

1057
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: I am definitely hunting this spring. Um. You know, for

1058
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: all the fishing that I do, I do about an

1059
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: equivalent amount of hunting. Um. And then any bear plans,

1060
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: you bet man. Um, I'm gonna be hunting bears in Montana.

1061
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: And then I have a pretty cool mule der tag.

1062
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: And in part of scouting mule deer for next season,

1063
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot down to Idaho where I picked up

1064
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: a bear or tag as well, so you know, we'll

1065
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 1: see what happens. I'm only going to shoot one bear.

1066
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: I think you know. I know I'm only gonna shoot

1067
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: one bear. Um, just because you don't need to shoot

1068
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: two bears in a season. But um, but yeah, so

1069
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,479
Speaker 1: those are those are my bear plans. Next question, fih

1070
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: Daddy four oh one asks, Yeah, he's he's he's a

1071
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: he makes a bunch of molded baits. I don't know

1072
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: if you found that dude on Instagram, but yeah, well now, yeah,

1073
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: I've watched some of his live live ties, live pores.

1074
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: I guess. Um he asks least favorite species to catch

1075
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: walleyes and the my last opportunities. This is like my

1076
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: last opportunity on Ben to take a dump on walleyes,

1077
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: and I will continue to do it. Mad. Respect for

1078
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: the people who are good at catching them, I get it,

1079
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: but as a fish to target, they suck. I'm sorry

1080
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: while I suck. Yeah, my least favorite is rock bass.

1081
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: I always get bummed. Really how he's mad at rock

1082
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: bass like an American treasure. Well, a couple of reasons.

1083
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: Number One, I'm always fishing for something else when I

1084
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: catch them. Number Two, I've never eaten one, so, like,

1085
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they're amazing like table fair, but like

1086
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: it's just not something I've experienced. It's funny you bring

1087
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: that up. No, well, I don't know. I've never eaten

1088
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: them either, But um man, this has come up. I've

1089
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: written about it in years past, Like when I was

1090
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: a kid, there were rock bass everywhere around here, every stream,

1091
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: like they were, dude, they're getting harder and harder to

1092
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: find in the Northeast, and there's something to that that

1093
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: nobody can quite figure out, but many people have agreed, like, yeah, shure,

1094
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: we don't catch rock bass the way we used to.

1095
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: I do still have a couple of spots. Would it

1096
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: surprise me if like the stocking of other game fish

1097
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: is kind of like pushing maybe, but you brought up,

1098
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: you brought up eating him. I was fishing in West

1099
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: Virginia years ago in the New River, and man, you

1100
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: catch some stud rock bass between the Smalley's there and

1101
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: those West Virginia boys. I mean, you know, dude, they'll

1102
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: they'll they'll fry up anything down there, but they're not

1103
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: a huge fan. They it's they say it tastes okay,

1104
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: but it's a very kind of soft, mushy meat. So great.

1105
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: It's always kind of like the inkling that I got

1106
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: when it when it came to your rock bass. And

1107
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: also like I'm kind of like scarred because like any

1108
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: time my dad would be bass fishing and called a

1109
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: rock bass, which is often or I called a rock bass,

1110
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: which was often he go rock bass. I like your dad,

1111
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: that's yeah, And so and so like I just kind

1112
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: of have that forever like etched. Um, I'm gonna start.

1113
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: You can tell your dad, I'm gonna start using that

1114
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: every time I catch one. Okay, So Grant Burger would

1115
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 1: working asks if you could write your own travel slash

1116
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: fish species specific book, what would it be? Mine would

1117
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: be I'd title it the Complete Guide to Serve Casting.

1118
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: It's actually a book that already exists. You can look

1119
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: it up Grant on Amazon and purchase yourself a copy,

1120
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: do a brother of favor. Otherwise, I can't disclose any

1121
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: of that because I can't. I can't, couldn't. I I'm

1122
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: not spitting out future book ideas, though I do have some. Yeah, um,

1123
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: if I could write, I would uh what you can know? Um? Yeah,

1124
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be, man, Like you know,

1125
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: part of me wants to do a see. It's kind

1126
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: of conflicting because a lot of the stuff that I'm

1127
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: passionate about is rooted in like a semi esoteric knowledge.

1128
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: And I talk a lot about blue lining brook Trout

1129
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: and so like a blue line guide and like maybe

1130
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: a some thoughts on blue lining and the sort of

1131
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: places that it takes. You would be something that I'd

1132
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: be interested in writing about. But but I don't want

1133
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: everyone to go and start doing that just because like

1134
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: those little streams can take like you know, barely any pressure.

1135
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: And the reality is is like if you particularly out

1136
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: east man, if you start talking about like even vague

1137
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: terms like drainages, you know, you can pretty much be like, Okay,

1138
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: he's talking about one of fifteen tributaries. But in my opinion,

1139
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: that's a writable book without getting too specific. I mean

1140
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: if I if I, if I were forced to write that,

1141
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: baby man, but like I wouldn't like straight tactics and

1142
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: and sort of what to look for without being very specific. Yeah,

1143
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: but that's kind of like the beauty about blue lining. Man.

1144
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: It's like it's very like while we're waxing anyhow. Um.

1145
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: One of the things that I like about blue lining

1146
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: is that it's a really good way to learn how

1147
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: to read water and understand fish because it's so a

1148
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: b like, you know, there aren't a lot of like

1149
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: questions left on the table. If a fish doesn't take

1150
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: the fly that you present to it in a blue line, um,

1151
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: you know, either you're just like not fishing the right

1152
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: technique for that period of time, or your cast and

1153
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: drift were bad most of the time. If you put

1154
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: on an elk care cat is any time from March

1155
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, November. And I mean I I

1156
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't suggest fishing through October, by the way, because that's

1157
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: when the brook trouter spawning. But if you if you

1158
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: were to do that, um, you would get hit as

1159
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: long as your drift was right and your cast was good. Um.

1160
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: So that's what I really like about blue lining is

1161
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: actually like the kind of tactical deficiency and more of

1162
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: just like the feedback on your skill. Yeah, and you're right,

1163
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: you're now what you're talking about, because I just think

1164
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: it's easy as shit, Like it's just easy fishing. It's

1165
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: easy fishing. So like I love wild brook trot as

1166
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: much as the next guy. But whereas I know you're

1167
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: the guy that will follow that stream up for miles,

1168
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: I'll do the first quarter mile and like catch a

1169
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: whole bunch and then I'm like, all right, now where

1170
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 1: do we now? What do we do? Like I can't

1171
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: doesn't hold my interest all day, right, and again, like

1172
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,920
Speaker 1: I think that it is easy fishing. But and if

1173
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 1: you're a beginner listening to this, Um, I would check

1174
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: out Blue Lining. Um. Number one, you're gonna find a

1175
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: lot of opportunities that you didn't know were there. Number two,

1176
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be surrounded by a lot of that kind

1177
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: of water that that you kind of think of when

1178
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: you think about fly fishing for trout. And then number three,

1179
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: it really is a good way to learn how to

1180
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: read the water and you know identify like, oh, that

1181
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: was a good drift, and I can tell because I

1182
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: got hit and that was a bad drift because I'm

1183
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: reading the water. I know there's a bucket right there,

1184
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: and I know that there's a trout in it. And

1185
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: if it didn't hit, it's because like something was wrong

1186
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: with my drift. I got some weird drag or something.

1187
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's the book that I would write. Well,

1188
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: if I were to write a book, Listen, people are

1189
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: so desperate to get out and away from people right now.

1190
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: If you draft a really good Blue Line, Brooke would

1191
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: probably sell. Because that's another thing I've learned, like your

1192
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: first book is often your passion project, and after do

1193
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 1: you see how much time goes into that passion You're

1194
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 1: like the next one's got to make money or I'm

1195
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: not doing it, so maybe we'll do this question anyhow.

1196
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: This one comes from d h A. Lab Dan, who

1197
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: actually started the comment thread that ended up getting me

1198
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: hired here. Yeah, he says our family friendly fishing boats,

1199
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: and I believe like by that he means like ski

1200
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: fish hybrids like the Yamaha f S H two ten

1201
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: actually fishy um M. I'll lead off with this one.

1202
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: I grew up learning how to fish on on one

1203
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: of these boats. It's like a stratus. I think it

1204
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: had like somewhere in between the live wells. We could

1205
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: throw up a ski pylon and the problem was, though

1206
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: it's like it's still had a lot of bass boat

1207
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: behind it, so you wouldn't even notice. But you'd be going, Um,

1208
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: you'd like have your buddy Jack on the tube behind you,

1209
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: and your your dad would be like bumping up that

1210
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 1: motor to the point that next thing you know, you're

1211
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: going fifty miles an hour. Jack's hanging on for dear life.

1212
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: You hit a bump, Jack gets launched, the inner tube

1213
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: thing gets caught under his nose, rips of gash across

1214
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: his face, and now you're at the hospital. Um that

1215
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: actually talking about right now? How is this answering the

1216
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: man's question. Uh, Dan, the family friendly? What this this

1217
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: question doesn't make a lot of sense. I could did

1218
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: a quick search on the Yamaha f Ace whatever to ten.

1219
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: It's just a little center console, that's all. It's just

1220
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: a little it's just a little center console. So I'm

1221
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: not talking about I thought he was talking about one

1222
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,440
Speaker 1: of those like, um, they're advertised like ski sport hybrids.

1223
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: Uh No, I googled it and it's it's it's just

1224
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: a little Yamaha twenty one ft center console. So I

1225
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: don't quite understand by fishy, Like, dude, you can fish

1226
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: on an inner tube if you know how to fish.

1227
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see. I don't know if it's

1228
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: a good boat or anything. But it's just it's just

1229
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: a little just a little center console, so I would say, yes,

1230
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,839
Speaker 1: it's probably fishy. Wait hold on, Joe, hold on, I'm

1231
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: not even gonna have this be edited out. I'm just

1232
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: gonna send you this thing that i'm looking at right here.

1233
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: Here is what I learned how to fish on. Did

1234
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: you get it, Joe? I did? Yeah, But I mean

1235
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: that's technically like a that's a that's actually a fishing boat.

1236
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: That's not. Yeah, well I'll tell you what, see jo.

1237
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: This is where like I for once and more experienced

1238
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: than you, and this it is a ski boat because

1239
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: it had this like stupid little pylon that you had

1240
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: these like rivets by the live wells and you'd screw

1241
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: a ski pylon into where you're It's called the ski fish,

1242
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: which means it does both things. Yeah, you know, I

1243
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: got you. I got you. Um but anyhow, um okay

1244
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: to answer your question, bro, Yeah, you can fish from

1245
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,640
Speaker 1: they're they're fine fish from anything that floats, Dude, if

1246
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: it floats, you can fish from it. Yeah. And uh,

1247
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: if you're looking to do like ski activities, towing, tubing

1248
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: things like that, heed my tubing warning. And if you

1249
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: get into wakeboarding later, man, they don't throw a particularly

1250
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: good weake, so like you're not gonna be able to

1251
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: jump a whole bunch, you're gonna look like a dork.

1252
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:06,839
Speaker 1: Um any out. Jared Curland Jared dot Curland asks what's

1253
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: the best way to get involved with guiding? Take a

1254
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people who don't want to listen to

1255
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: you fishing and see how you feel at the end

1256
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: of the day before you decide that and don't charge

1257
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: them because that's illegal. It's a tough one, man. I

1258
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: would just say it depends on where you live. Like

1259
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: if you're lucky enough to live in in in high

1260
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 1: tourist destinations like Montana that have a lot of shops.

1261
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you link up with a shop or an

1262
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: outfit there. Maybe you start by just sweeping the floors

1263
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: in the fly shop and work your way up. Um,

1264
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: out here, there really aren't a lot of outfitters. You

1265
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: just kind of go independent. You just kind of do it.

1266
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: You just put yourself out there after getting appropriately certified.

1267
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah you got and then how you get

1268
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: certified varies state by state. Um. But I don't know.

1269
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: Involved with guiding or being a guide, I don't know.

1270
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: It sort of depends on on what it is want

1271
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you can always find a gig

1272
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: in Alaska, but depending on your experience level, you know,

1273
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: you might not like the gig. Um. But really, before

1274
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: anybody considers people ask me all the time, why don't

1275
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: you guide on the side. Whyn't you get in the the side?

1276
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: I said, and I've said this on this show. I

1277
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: love taking new people fishing if they want to go

1278
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: fishing and learn and listen as soon as like you

1279
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: like no better, even though you've never done the ship

1280
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: we're doing. I'm like, then, I'm just gonna crush you

1281
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: with a rod and I don't care. I don't care

1282
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 1: about your success anymore. I don't have the patients. Um,

1283
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,839
Speaker 1: so make sure you have that before you get involved

1284
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: in any kind of guiding. Yeah. Um, I'm just gonna

1285
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 1: echo what Joe said. Uh, getting involved in a fly shop,

1286
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: uh and working your way up is a pretty good

1287
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: way to go, I guess if you're committed to it. Um.

1288
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: The reason being is that eventually, you know, one of

1289
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: those fishing guides will be too hungover to take folks out.

1290
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, next thing you know, you're driving. You're driving

1291
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: down to the boat rent with a bunch of people

1292
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: who don't want to listen to you. A lot of

1293
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: times the shop a lot of times the shopper outfit

1294
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: or also covers your insurance because that ain't cheap. Yeah,

1295
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: and that's actually uh some an insurance esque question is

1296
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna come up later. Okay, So this comes from Underscore,

1297
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: Have Gun, Will Travel, he says, ask Joe to walk

1298
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: us through how he makes fly leaders for pike again,

1299
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Joe Walkers how to make up. I'm gonna try and

1300
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: not walk it too long because it's it's uh, it's

1301
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of boring. But um, I always I'm usually

1302
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: fishing pike with a sink tip line, whether it's slower

1303
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: fast regardless. So I just used like a straight shot

1304
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: like four ft a thirty pound floor carbon and then

1305
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: I love, um Courtland's st ten is there tiable uh

1306
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: steel leader? It actually comes on a coil like tipp it,

1307
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: So I all bright not from the thirty pound to

1308
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, a foot long section of that steel leader.

1309
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: Then I put a perfection loop in the end of

1310
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: the steel and use a really good quality clip so

1311
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 1: I can just quickly clip flies off on and that's

1312
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: it done, donezo. So the whole thing is about five

1313
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: ft total. I like a short leader. Cool. Dj Roloff asks, Uh,

1314
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: what peeves do you have about phishing media? You go first, um, um,

1315
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: what peeves do I have about phishing media? Um? You know,

1316
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think we address that and a

1317
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that we do in that a

1318
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: lot of it doesn't show. Um, a lot of it

1319
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: doesn't show. Things are like accessible to folks. You know,

1320
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it doesn't show the the you know,

1321
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: the the reality of what fishing is to the average person.

1322
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: And like, I'm going to get on like a stump

1323
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: speech for a second here, man, fishing is important and

1324
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: accessible fishing is important, and here's why. Uh. In my mind,

1325
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: when you're trying to bring people into like the outdoors

1326
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: in a meaningful way, you you wanted to have fun,

1327
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 1: but like you want them to become effective lifelong conservationists, right,

1328
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: and like that's like a commitment that can only be

1329
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: made with like joy and enthusiasm. M Um. That joint

1330
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: enthusiasm comes from an appreciation of all the natural world

1331
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: has to offer, and a good way to develop that

1332
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 1: appreciation is by experiencing what the natural world has to offer.

1333
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: And fishing, in my mind, is the single most accessible

1334
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: way for the average person to do that. So in

1335
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: showing more accessible fishing and outdoor media, like, that's what

1336
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: I would want for it. So it's not like so

1337
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: much a peeve is like a desire, like I want

1338
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: more representation of accessible fishing in outdoor media. Yep, yep, no,

1339
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: And I agree with that, man, that's a really good answer.

1340
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep mind very short and sweet, and I'm

1341
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: certainly not going to name names. Um. What what bothers

1342
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: me is there are a lot of very successful people

1343
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: in fishing media these days, with very large followings, and

1344
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: if you know anything about fishing and pay attention to them,

1345
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: even in the slightest most of them have very little

1346
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: to no idea what the hell they're talking about. They

1347
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 1: just don't have the background experience. They haven't really done shit,

1348
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: they haven't really been anywhere, they haven't really learned anything.

1349
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: They are just spouting off crap, which is fine, right,

1350
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 1: but it's like, man, these are the people that maybe

1351
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: that that kid or that next generation, like they're going

1352
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: to get them into fishing. And like I watched some

1353
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: of these things and I'm like, you sound so dumb, right,

1354
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 1: you have no idea what you're talking about. So it

1355
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: just it it. I am always wanted to be like,

1356
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: if I don't know, I'll tell you I don't know.

1357
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know anything about doing that kind

1358
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: of fishing. I don't know anything about this. Um I

1359
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: can find out for you talk to some good people.

1360
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: But I value authenticity and I think authenticity works if

1361
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 1: you can admit that you're not an expert. That's fine,

1362
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: that's still authentic. But the amount of people out there

1363
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: that I just watched this ship and I'm like you,

1364
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: you just have no clue what you're talking about right now.

1365
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: That bothers me. M So. Carnivore eight seventy asks do

1366
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: fish caught through the ice taste better than fish caught

1367
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: during the summer? Uh? Do? That's one of those weird things.

1368
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: I want to say, yes, Like I do believe that

1369
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: not even necessarily ice, just cold water verse warm water. Um,

1370
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: but is there science behind that? There could be, If

1371
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: there is, I'm not aware of it, but I would

1372
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: say yes to that. Something called out of cold water

1373
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 1: always seems to taste better than something called out of

1374
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: warm water. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I'd agree with that.

1375
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: Cold Boy seventeen says you have one species and one

1376
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: method of fishing for life? What is it? Oh? God,

1377
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't never know how to answer these.

1378
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: That's that's like saying you not to bring up golf again.

1379
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: But like you can play any course in the world,

1380
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 1: but you can only take your putter, Like, no, I don't,

1381
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I love I love

1382
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: all types of fishing too much, Like I, do you

1383
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: have an answer for that? Like, do you have a

1384
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 1: true answer for that? Be up. I'm going with my

1385
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 1: boy Corey Calkins drifting down the yellowstone fly fish and

1386
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 1: big stupid foam bugs for big stupid brown trout. Mm

1387
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: hmm yeah, I can't whittle that down. I'm sorry, Colby,

1388
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 1: colboy whatever. Moving on. Um M k Row seventy two says,

1389
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: is the guide or the client responsible for replacing broken equipment?

1390
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question, um man, that seems too so.

1391
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: I've been on on charters before where that's like written

1392
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 1: in blood, like you sign a thing like anything you

1393
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: break you buy. That's not I don't. I don't want

1394
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: to say that's the norm. Most of the time it

1395
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: is not, so I think in most cases, is it

1396
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: your responsibility? No? I mean, like if you break a rod,

1397
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: it's like, well, that dude just took a business hit

1398
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: for the day. He's probably had rods broken before. But

1399
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: should you because you're a good human being and like

1400
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: now you just cost this guy? Hell yeah you should.

1401
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: I would. I I mean that with without without a doubt,

1402
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: especially if I did something stupid if his rod breaks

1403
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: because he had a chip in it that he didn't

1404
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: know about, one thing. But like if you're being an

1405
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 1: ass hat and like smacking it off the gunnal, yeah,

1406
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: you should absolutely, yeah. I mean, you know, depending on

1407
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: what happens. If you're like, you know, cranking on a

1408
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: fish and like you're not doing anything like dumb in

1409
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: the rod just like explodes. You know, that's like one thing.

1410
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: If you have casted it into a tree and you know,

1411
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: you keep you know, can't indicay in it and trying

1412
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: to pop it out, and like the rod breaks, maybe

1413
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: you ought to pay for it. On the other hand,

1414
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 1: if like the guide says, pointed it like the tree

1415
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: and you do that and you pull it out and

1416
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 1: the split shot that you were using comes back and

1417
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: obliterates the rod, that's not really your fault, man, that's

1418
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: not your fault. You know it It varies, man. Look,

1419
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 1: the bottom line is these guides, um, you know a

1420
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 1: lot of them are working out of shops, in which

1421
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:31,040
Speaker 1: case is actually the shops equipment you know most times,

1422
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: and like the shop realizes that that's just something that

1423
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: comes to the territory. Same as like renting rods, right, ye. Um,

1424
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you're going out with a guide that

1425
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: you know is a sole proprietor, um, you know, maybe

1426
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: offer to maybe offer to pay for it. But it's

1427
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: a case by case. Man. If you're acting like an

1428
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 1: ass and you break a rod, you know you got

1429
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: what was coming and you ought to pay for it.

1430
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: If it was a pure accident, like hey, rod's break sometimes. Man,

1431
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: that's just what it is, alright, Moving on, um J

1432
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 1: d N forty four says, what's the dumbest or sketchiest

1433
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: thing you've ever done to catch a fish? Man, that's

1434
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: a really awesome question. I feel like I should have

1435
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: this mega answer, and if I had more time to

1436
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: think about it would probably probably pop into my brain.

1437
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: But the one that all that comes the top of

1438
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: my head was in my hardcore surf fishing days. Like

1439
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: in college, Um, I used to do a lot of

1440
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: jetty hopping and I remember skipping class one day to

1441
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 1: catch a certain tide and I got down to this

1442
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: particular jetty and took one look at it and I

1443
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: knew it was too big to do it, Like it

1444
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 1: was stupid, like it was too kicked up. And the

1445
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 1: jetty comes out like an L, So you have the

1446
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: main jetty pointing straight east off shore, and then about

1447
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: halfway out you have an L shooting off to the north,

1448
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: and the stripers would would feed in that elbow like

1449
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 1: in that nook, and I I looked at it, and

1450
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,599
Speaker 1: I was like, this is really stupid. But I drove

1451
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,800
Speaker 1: all that way and I skipped class to go fish it.

1452
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: And you can easily talk yourself into going, well, it's

1453
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 1: not that bad. It's not that bad. And I was

1454
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: all by myself, and I went out on that L

1455
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: and luckily at the time because I was still keeping stripers,

1456
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 1: I had a jetty gaff. I had a Calcutta long

1457
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: jetty gaff. And I went out like a couple of

1458
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: couple of waves broke and it was not that big

1459
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: a deal, Like I just held my ground and started fishing,

1460
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: and I I wedged the jetty gaff into the rocks

1461
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 1: next to me, and um, I looked down for about

1462
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: three seconds to to change out a plug and just

1463
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: got my feet taken right out from under me. And luckily,

1464
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: on my way off the back side of that jetty,

1465
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: one hand caught the gaff that was still wedged in

1466
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: the rocks and I had two more break over me

1467
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: while I was hanging on, and it's scared the living

1468
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: ship out of me. But I just got up and

1469
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: and got off, and UM, that was dumb. That was dumb.

1470
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: I knew I shouldn't have been out there, but I was. Yeah.

1471
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have anything quite like that. Um.

1472
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the common thread here is

1473
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: underestimating heavy water. UM. You know. I remember I was

1474
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 1: steel head fish in one time and there was a

1475
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: bunch of pressure where I. Where I was was on

1476
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: Salmon River, and I knew that there was a spot

1477
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: that I could probably cross because I'd gone over in

1478
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: a boat before with my buddy Scott, and I'd like,

1479
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: let to see the bottom. I was like, oh, you know,

1480
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: that looks like kind of like an incognito place across

1481
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: and if you crossed, you would you would get access

1482
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,600
Speaker 1: to a large portion of bank that a lot of

1483
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: folks didn't have access to. Um. So I remember, Um,

1484
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: I remember just kind of like almost losing it in

1485
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 1: the middle of winter by myself in like a real

1486
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: sketchy spot. Also on the Salmon River, I was fishing

1487
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: across from this. Uh, I was fishing, and which is now,

1488
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: and I had waited across. I had come out like

1489
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't even really think I got on the opposite bank,

1490
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: which is like technically which is like private, but like

1491
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm fishing from the opposite side of opposite side for

1492
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: everybody fishes. And one of the stewards came down to me.

1493
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, um, you know, I saw you

1494
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: come down across this way, and you know, I just

1495
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 1: want you to know that, like, if one of our

1496
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: clients wants to uh wants to fish here, you're gonna

1497
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: have to move. Um. And and this is I don't

1498
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: know if I a should be saying this, but whatever,

1499
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: this is why I don't like the So in a huff,

1500
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: I was like called the warden man like I I

1501
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: didn't like I was. I was like, I didn't do that.

1502
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can, you can tell me you're whatever,

1503
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 1: but I didn't do that. Um. So basically like I

1504
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: had like some words with this dude, and I was

1505
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, fine, And I just like

1506
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,839
Speaker 1: I went to like cross back, like I was real annoyed,

1507
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: but I had missed the shelf by like just a touch,

1508
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 1: and so I start crossing back and I realized that

1509
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,759
Speaker 1: the line that I'm taking is not good man. But

1510
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: but but like I'm piste off and committed, so there's

1511
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: no going back, there's no spinning around the amount. Yeah,

1512
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: I know this position. Yes, So I'm like, I'm just

1513
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: gonna do this or I'm gonna die doing it. And

1514
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: I did not die doing it. But that was a

1515
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: pretty I guess that's not the dumbest thing I've ever

1516
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: done to catch a fish, but maybe one of the

1517
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: dumber things have done to prove a point. I've had

1518
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: so many sketchy aids, and I don't want to tell

1519
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: a whole another story, but the one that's most memorable.

1520
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,120
Speaker 1: I got across and I picked the spot where we

1521
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: were crossing the broad Head and this was Father's Day weekend.

1522
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: And I got across and turned around to see my

1523
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 1: poor old man and in the middle of this heavy flow,

1524
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: waist deep with his flimsy little waiting stick looking at

1525
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: me like if I don't die, I'm gonna kill you.

1526
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: The second I get over to that bank, and it

1527
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: was like the most hair raising five minutes of my life.

1528
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: It was one of those deals where like you just

1529
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: were waiting, like I was like, he's gonna get taken

1530
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 1: off his feet any second. And I picked the spot.

1531
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: I picked the spot, and now there's no going back,

1532
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: there's no turning around. You are going forward. Luckily he

1533
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: made it, and then we had a nice dinner at

1534
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 1: shown Ease or something. Yeah. Man, that broadhead is funny, dude,

1535
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: because there are some stretches of it that you're like, oh,

1536
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: this is a peach, and there are other stretches of

1537
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: it where you're like, you could go in there and

1538
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: never come back. All right. Um. Piker seventy two asks, Uh,

1539
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: why do people who have a boat doc get pissed

1540
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: when other people fish it? Like gold Dude, I'm fishing.

1541
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I think he means from a boat. Well, yeah, he

1542
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: does mean from a boat. Um. So I have two

1543
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 1: thoughts on that. On a lake, I don't get it.

1544
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have if you have a basketbat

1545
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: and you're pulling up in the middle of the day

1546
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: to somebody's dock and flipping his dock, I don't get it.

1547
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: They just must feel like whatever bass live under that

1548
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: dock are their bass now in the saltwater scene. On

1549
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: the other hand, if I had waterfront property with the dock,

1550
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: I would absolutely pay the money to have green lights

1551
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: put out on that dock, because there is nothing more

1552
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: fun than night dock fishing in saltwater when the lights

1553
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: bringing all the bait and their stripers and snook and

1554
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: whatever you have is just there. Okay, But then if

1555
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: you roll up on a boat and fish my lights,

1556
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: now I'm pissed, even though you have every right to

1557
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: do so. I would be furious. But if I had

1558
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: a lakefront home and a dude rolled up and flipped it,

1559
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a damn like good for you, man? Okay?

1560
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 1: Ethan sense that asks uh, any tips for dealing with

1561
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 1: potentially aggressive waterfowl around your fishing spot? Yeah? Man, um

1562
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: a CEO two powered pellet? Gun? Uh, I want to talk?

1563
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Is a federal offense. I don't do that, Martin, whatever

1564
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: you got, Yeah, I don't know, man. Uh you know

1565
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Number one? Why wide wide birth? I assume he's talking

1566
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: about geese, and that's always do that. The nesting season

1567
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: always coincides with opening day around here. So I mean,

1568
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: how many times in your life like you're just a

1569
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: walking him a trout hole and then get that you're

1570
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: like ship like turn around, walk around him. I mean,

1571
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I don't know how many

1572
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: times it's happened to be. My first inclination is always

1573
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: like there's a big snake. Yeah, oh yeah, dude, it

1574
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: catches you way off guard. All right, So Thomas n

1575
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 1: y EU that could be Thomas and I guess, uh

1576
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: going to the PM first Steel next week? Are four

1577
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: guys too many for a drift boat? Will we be

1578
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: laughed at? Yes? Yes, yes you will too many. I

1579
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what kind of drift boat you're

1580
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 1: dealing with. But even like the biggest stealth craft i'm

1581
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 1: aware of, four is too many. Um, it's not that

1582
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: it's probably unsafe. Like I'm thinking about my boat sixteen foot?

1583
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Could I row four people in it if I had to? Yeah?

1584
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: But none of you're gonna be able to fish like

1585
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,799
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not gonna be able to fish unless

1586
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: you're so using it to hop out and fish a run,

1587
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: and and and and he said it's like a shuttle

1588
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: whatever if all, if three out of four, you think

1589
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like swinging intruders with sink tips, uh

1590
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 1: safety glasses at them? Yeah, and and if that's a

1591
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: four guys on a guides drift boat, meaning that there

1592
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: are five dudes way above the maximum. Yeah, he won't

1593
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 1: let you do that. I highly doubt it. I might, Okay,

1594
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: Cakey Codes, I don't know what that means. Uh asks

1595
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: should adults be able to fish on youth mentor Day? Truthfully,

1596
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 1: Cakey Codes, I am not really aware of whether they

1597
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: can or cannot. So I don't know how to answer that,

1598
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 1: Like if the mentor how do I mentor you if

1599
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: I can't teach you how to cast, which means I

1600
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: might have to cast for all I know this person

1601
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 1: is correct and on youth Mentor Day the adult cannot fish,

1602
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: But I I, I don't know. I yeah, but I'll

1603
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I will tell you what. I

1604
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: bet you if they've let adults fish on youth Mentor Day,

1605
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: a lot more kids would go fishing. Well that's yeah,

1606
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: probably you're right. You So, so as far as like

1607
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: that's concerned, like, yeah, you know, I would say, like

1608
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: that would be a cool thing to let folks, do

1609
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, kind of give you, aside from the joy

1610
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: of children, a a reward for you know, taking kids fishing.

1611
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: But you know that's just me all right, out of

1612
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 1: the round, asks, if I go ten car fishing and

1613
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,920
Speaker 1: an old red neck and a cane pole is fishing,

1614
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 1: can I still look down on them? No, because your

1615
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: ten car fishing. I was gonna say, sure, you can,

1616
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: in fact still look down on them. But if it

1617
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: gets ugly, he's gonna beat your ass because that cane

1618
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: pole would snap the ten car rod right in half

1619
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: if it went full on sword fight. They are much

1620
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: stronger than your ten car rod. Alright. And last but

1621
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 1: not least cmh o Boza or cm Hobosa or see

1622
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: m hobos. I don't know how it how it said

1623
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: asks like like many of you asked, when are you

1624
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: taking Phil fishing? I feel like I feel like I've

1625
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: failed Phil. You should take Phil fit You could take

1626
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: Phil fishing so many times it's just like yeah, it

1627
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: just like never works out. We tried to go duck

1628
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: hunting to man Um. You know, uh, I will tell

1629
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: you what. If there's one person who deserves a free

1630
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: fishing trip from the Bent Fellows, it's Phil Taylor h

1631
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 1: and and and and despite my departure, Phil knows he

1632
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: has an open invitation. I even have an Ikea futon

1633
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: here for him any time, any time, Phil