WEBVTT - WeWork Part 2: The Bar Is Now at Your Desk

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<v Speaker 1>Let me introduce you to a guy named Carl Pierre.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl was twenty five years old when he became an

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<v Speaker 1>employee at the we Work office in d C. He

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<v Speaker 1>was just a few years out of college. He was

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<v Speaker 1>excited about joining this fast growing startup, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>surprised by how much of his job involved working with beer,

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<v Speaker 1>tapping a beer keg, getting licenses to serve beer. And

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<v Speaker 1>one morning he got a call there had been a

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<v Speaker 1>beer disaster. This one dude, who turns out was like

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<v Speaker 1>a guest of a member or something, was so like

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<v Speaker 1>gung ho trying to get beer out. He broke the tap,

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<v Speaker 1>beer started pouring out, and he's walked away. So I

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<v Speaker 1>get a call the next day, the very next day,

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<v Speaker 1>from the shoe store underneath our Chinatown location saying, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>everything all of our inventories covered in gross, sticky beer,

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<v Speaker 1>Like what the hell is going on? And I looked

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<v Speaker 1>through the security recordings and I'm like I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>scream and like break everything. I was like this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>this dude just uh. It was like, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>keg holds what nine nine beers, So imagine nine nine

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<v Speaker 1>beers pouring down and pooling and yeah, of course it

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<v Speaker 1>leaked through. To take out my iPhone and take photos

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<v Speaker 1>from the insurance company. Oh, it was this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Beer was a central part of we worked brand, and

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<v Speaker 1>here it was leaking through the floor and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just like pools of beer. The entire place smells like

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<v Speaker 1>a brewery. So not only did our space smell like awfulness,

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<v Speaker 1>like it smelled like a yeast factory because it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like percolated over the night too. When we

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<v Speaker 1>wants all the beer poured out, they just stayed that

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<v Speaker 1>way and then you know, the guy's floor to you

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<v Speaker 1>just smelled like the entire block it smell like beer

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<v Speaker 1>because when you open the doors, like a full keg,

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<v Speaker 1>is so much booze. There's so much liquid and imagine

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<v Speaker 1>pouring all the onto the floor and Lennon just walking

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<v Speaker 1>away for hours. Hours you're listening to Foundering. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Ellen Hewitt. In the previous episode, we visited Adam Newman's

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<v Speaker 1>childhood Kibbutz. We wanted to understand how it inspired we

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<v Speaker 1>work and Adam's ideas about community and today in episode

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<v Speaker 1>two of our season on we were we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about what it was like inside we Work

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<v Speaker 1>during its early chaotic years of growth as the company

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<v Speaker 1>burst onto the business scene. We'll start around for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years after the financial crash and the business world

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<v Speaker 1>is getting back on its feet. There's a huge rise

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<v Speaker 1>and remote work, a huge rise and distributed work. That's

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<v Speaker 1>Teddy Kramer and early we Work employee. There are companies

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<v Speaker 1>that don't even have office space that empower their employees

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<v Speaker 1>to work from wherever they are. But we're still human.

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<v Speaker 1>We're still you know, creatures that want to be around

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<v Speaker 1>other people, and people need places. Facebook had just gone public,

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<v Speaker 1>linked in too, and there was this buzz in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>especially around startups two thousand twelve, two thirteen, when it

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<v Speaker 1>was very early, when it was exciting, when that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of startup dream was at its peak. I remember Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>had just been bought by Facebook for a billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>So that idea that anyone could just sit there, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of people, build an app and get rich. Ron

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<v Speaker 1>John Roy was an early customer at we Work. He

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<v Speaker 1>just quit his job to become an entrepreneur. And in

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<v Speaker 1>fact it was Teddy who sold Ron john his we

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<v Speaker 1>Work membership. This is great because I get to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to all my cheesy sales lines that I used

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<v Speaker 1>to give their perspective members. My favorite line I used

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<v Speaker 1>to use was that it's a fortune experience when you're

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<v Speaker 1>not yet a fortune five company. Teddy's customers were mostly

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<v Speaker 1>small businesses, freelancers, and entrepreneurs. For them, getting office space

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<v Speaker 1>was a challenge. Most polices required a commitment of several years.

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<v Speaker 1>We Work offered something different. You could easily rent a

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<v Speaker 1>desk or small office month by month. I think in

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<v Speaker 1>those early days it worked. I loved the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the facility. I need a conference from great, I can

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<v Speaker 1>walk in and book it. I you know, need a

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<v Speaker 1>desk that's inexpensive and uh is non committal in the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional you know, commercial real estate sense. Um. And also

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be around like minded people. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be around people who are going through the same

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<v Speaker 1>struggles and going through the same challenges, but also who

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<v Speaker 1>want to celebrate my success. Ron John, who was working

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<v Speaker 1>out of a we Work office in New York, was

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<v Speaker 1>happy to be alongside other startup founders, but more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>he felt we Worked with selling him something else. It

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<v Speaker 1>was selling him a sense of legitimacy. They delivered a

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<v Speaker 1>great product. The actual space itself. It validated you, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you're kind of an early stage start up flailing around.

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<v Speaker 1>The space was nice enough that you know, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting, people come in, they think you are doing

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<v Speaker 1>something correct. My parents, who as Indian parents, were very

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<v Speaker 1>nervous about me doing something startup in my thirties. They

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<v Speaker 1>came and they saw and this is when we were

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<v Speaker 1>at the We Work at Broadway, which was on the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty floor, this kind of like gleaming view of the

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<v Speaker 1>financial district. And again they thought we must be doing

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<v Speaker 1>something right, and at the time we weren't. Ron John's

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<v Speaker 1>desk at as We Work office was next to something

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<v Speaker 1>particularly important, the fruit water. It's a big jog of

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<v Speaker 1>drinking water that has fruit cut up into it, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fancy. So one thing I definitely remember from the

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<v Speaker 1>time was the fruit water. Somehow this kind of became

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<v Speaker 1>a central sales point for the we Work employees and

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<v Speaker 1>even Adam Newman. Anytime their investors in there, or even

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<v Speaker 1>if he was bringing around people to show off the space,

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<v Speaker 1>you could bring them straight to the fruit water, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it loudly and proclaim, you know, we're in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of the future of work. And offer the fruit water. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's back up for a minute. Yes, we are

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<v Speaker 1>actually talking about water that has chopped up fruit floating

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Throughout the course of this story, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot of silly things that are actually important.

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<v Speaker 1>Fruit water is one of those things. It sounds small,

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<v Speaker 1>but it became a symbol of the we Work brand

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<v Speaker 1>in all their offices around the world, and people got

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<v Speaker 1>really into it. The other day, I was looking it

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<v Speaker 1>up on Twitter and I found a picture where the

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<v Speaker 1>fruit water had cantaloupe in it, cut into the shape

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<v Speaker 1>of dolphins. Cantaloup dolphins. Yeah. Actually, one time, I can

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<v Speaker 1>say I looked up and I was sitting on some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of ball, looked to my left and Elliot Spitzer

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<v Speaker 1>was standing right there, kind of looking over looking across

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<v Speaker 1>the entire entire floor with a smile on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>Elliot Spitzer, for those of you who don't know, is

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<v Speaker 1>the former somewhat disgraced governor of New York and he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting Adam's pitch to investors. Look at this excitement

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<v Speaker 1>and energy. Adam was using We Works paying customers to

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<v Speaker 1>attract more money. It was almost like we were animals.

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<v Speaker 1>In a zoo or rats in a lab, like people

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<v Speaker 1>would just kind of stand on the periphery and watch

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<v Speaker 1>everyone sitting there. So if you are an older investor

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<v Speaker 1>who has no idea what's happening, and suddenly you just

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<v Speaker 1>see young kids and shorts with laptops and uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>your your entire construction of work in your mind forever

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<v Speaker 1>has been suits and offices and cubicles, it would definitely

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<v Speaker 1>feel like maybe the secret is here. And it did

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<v Speaker 1>feel like there was something more here than just the

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<v Speaker 1>desks that was intentional on We Works part. From Robjohn's

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<v Speaker 1>point of view, we Work was doing the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a lot of other rapidly growing companies in the tents.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't just selling a product. They were selling something

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger than that. The desks were good, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the product was a very good one, but it had

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<v Speaker 1>to be about so much more and it couldn't just

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<v Speaker 1>be stopped at We're going to sell you a good

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<v Speaker 1>desk in a fun environment like it had to be

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<v Speaker 1>about transforming humanity. You're selling the weed generation and transformational

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<v Speaker 1>future of work and life and the way we interact.

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<v Speaker 1>Uber called itself ride sharing, even though it's just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a modernized taxi fleet, but they had that community

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<v Speaker 1>word embedded into it. And yeah, Adam was constantly evoking

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<v Speaker 1>community when talking about work. It's that community. Being surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by a group of like minded individuals, being part of

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<v Speaker 1>something bigger than yourself inspires people to work harder, spend

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<v Speaker 1>more time at work, and just have fun doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>We Work wasn't the only coworking space I was active

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, so it had rivals paying attention to

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<v Speaker 1>how it ran its business. One of those rivals was Industrious.

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<v Speaker 1>It's CEO, Jamie Hodari, noticed a few things about We Work.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie was confused by we Work because Adam spent more

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about community than he did fast internet or

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<v Speaker 1>clean office space. Jamie had done customer research and found

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<v Speaker 1>that the idea of we wasn't that important to people

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<v Speaker 1>who just wanted to rent a desk. But We Work

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<v Speaker 1>was also expanding so rapidly it had gone from zero

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<v Speaker 1>to a billion dollar valuation in less than four years.

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<v Speaker 1>It left Jamie wondering was we Work onto something that

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't able to see. One of many ways in

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<v Speaker 1>which I think, as a WE Work competitor, you're stuck

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<v Speaker 1>saying like, do they not really get at it. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it that they are out of touch with what the

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<v Speaker 1>actual nature of rising demand is or the actual reasons

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<v Speaker 1>are that adoption rates are rising of their product, or

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<v Speaker 1>is it that they're on another level. They're seeing around

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<v Speaker 1>the next corner, you know, they're seeing everything we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the stuff that comes after that, or the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that people care about but can't actually articulate or

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<v Speaker 1>put into words. So Jamie was questioning whether people really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to pay for community for the aspirational, scrappy culture

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<v Speaker 1>that we work was selling. The slogans on its walls

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<v Speaker 1>saying better together, do what you love, always exploring cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>Jamie didn't get why Adam never talked directly about real

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<v Speaker 1>estate or business plans. Instead, he talked about humanity and enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was maybe the first sniff for the

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<v Speaker 1>first moment of saying, this company has a kind of oblique,

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<v Speaker 1>indirect way of approaching things that it wasn't a company

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<v Speaker 1>given to straight talk basically um and that ended up

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a predictor of a lot of things to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam wanted to do loftier things. He wanted to transform humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>and in his mind, the first step to that was

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<v Speaker 1>transforming work. He wanted to do it by making work fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds simple, but it was a pretty novel idea

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<v Speaker 1>and he put it into action At We Work. It

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<v Speaker 1>sells fun, I mean it sells excitement. You don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to go out to a bar club. We will

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<v Speaker 1>bring that all to your office space where you sit

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<v Speaker 1>and do work. It's a pretty good deal. The bar

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<v Speaker 1>is now at your desk. We give free beer in

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<v Speaker 1>all of our buildings. We gave nine glasses of beer

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<v Speaker 1>last month, which is a number we're proud of. People

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<v Speaker 1>are staying late at the office. The parties take place

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<v Speaker 1>at the office itself. It's that co mingling of life

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<v Speaker 1>and work and kind of like lack of division between

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<v Speaker 1>your office and party. You're going out to a bar.

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<v Speaker 1>To create that environment, community managers like Teddy had to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to do a lot of random manual tasks

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<v Speaker 1>like tapping the beer keg or grabbing a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>members to film a viral video meme. And for those

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<v Speaker 1>who love to google, if you can find the We

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<v Speaker 1>Work Labs Harlem Shake video, I highly recommend you look

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<v Speaker 1>it up. It's actually pretty fun. Um. I'm the mermaid

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<v Speaker 1>in the bottom right corner, so you can find me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right there. But but to me, that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. That was so much fun. Right. Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>is Oh that's you in the mermaidaid. That's quite a look.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm wearing a purple shell brod and those are

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<v Speaker 1>real shells. Uh that I had to get custom tailored

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<v Speaker 1>to stay up. Um. I had a custom mermaid skirt um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am front and center dancing as a mermaid

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<v Speaker 1>while making sure that my shells stay up. Um. You

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<v Speaker 1>asked how I felt. I loved it. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was so much fun. We worked at something different. It

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<v Speaker 1>was work, but it was fun, which may have come

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<v Speaker 1>from Adam himself. He has this reputation publicly of being

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<v Speaker 1>out of control, aggressive, a partier, a dealmaker, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was also just entertaining. Here's Jamie again. The impression you

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<v Speaker 1>get when you spend a bit of time with them

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<v Speaker 1>is not just of this kind of tall, brash force

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<v Speaker 1>of nature, but also of someone who seems like he's

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<v Speaker 1>having fun. You know, when you hear these landlords saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we did a WorldWind tour of this city and we

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<v Speaker 1>drink tequila and whatever. You know, maybe the unspoken magnetism

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<v Speaker 1>of it is in part that business isn't often that fun,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's dry, and so spending the day

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<v Speaker 1>with someone who seems like they're on this rocket ship

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<v Speaker 1>and loving every minute of it, that's the most magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>thing of all. This magnetism also pulled in prospective employees.

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<v Speaker 1>When Carl, the community manager in d C, walked into

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<v Speaker 1>a we Work office for his first interview, he had

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<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like it. That was blown away by

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<v Speaker 1>the aesthetics and the the electricity of the room of

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<v Speaker 1>where these people were working. It was just entirely, entirely

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<v Speaker 1>different and very very young, very my generation vibe the

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<v Speaker 1>entire place Carl joined we Work in and he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like he had tumbled into a millennial wonderland. The mid

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<v Speaker 1>century modern everything um. The fact that they had like

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<v Speaker 1>cold brew on tap and all the brands I loved,

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<v Speaker 1>all under one roof. It was just it was overload

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<v Speaker 1>almost um, and it really sold me on the concept.

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<v Speaker 1>We work with a company that celebrated bringing people together,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put that into practice with their own employees.

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<v Speaker 1>Every week, every Monday night, we Work held in all

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<v Speaker 1>hands meeting and it lasted for hours, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>called thank God It's Monday. T g i AM for short.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Cody Quinn, an early employee. So t g i

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<v Speaker 1>ams were they write that. So they had these company

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<v Speaker 1>what meetings called thank God It's Monday. Um, I literally

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<v Speaker 1>get goose bumps thinking about it, because Mondays were rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank God It's Monday was meant to be something fresh

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<v Speaker 1>and different, a celebration about loving your work, but many

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<v Speaker 1>employees seem to hate it and meant staying late at

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<v Speaker 1>work after a long day, often without overtime pay. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of posturing with a lot of like egos.

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<v Speaker 1>People just kind of like peacocking on stage like thank

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<v Speaker 1>God It's Monday. Like they just wanted to be cool

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<v Speaker 1>and like flex their position. And sometimes these meetings turned

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<v Speaker 1>into celebrations for the growing business m seed by Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Cody again, you know, like after him talking about

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<v Speaker 1>himself for like a half hour, like he's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're having a party, and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>these trays of tequila shots come out and and like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big party, and like even to the extent

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<v Speaker 1>that there they were encouraging people to get drunk enough

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<v Speaker 1>that they would pay for Uber's home. We Work asn't

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<v Speaker 1>the only company partying like this in the twenty tens.

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<v Speaker 1>If you worked at a art up any time in

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<v Speaker 1>the last decade, maybe some of this sounds familiar to you,

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<v Speaker 1>staying late in the office for mandatory parties, free booze,

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<v Speaker 1>the blurring of life and work. What makes We Work

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<v Speaker 1>special is that they took startup culture to the next level.

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<v Speaker 1>They were actually selling this culture to their customers, and

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<v Speaker 1>We Work found that there was a huge appetite for it.

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<v Speaker 1>The office party that never ends. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>So before the break, we talked about we Works. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>God it's Monday meetings. These all hands meetings are a

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<v Speaker 1>really important aspect of we Works company culture. It's how

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<v Speaker 1>we Work rallied the troops and shared the inside take

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<v Speaker 1>on what was going on at this rapidly growing company.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Miguel McKelvey warming up the crowd for Adam at

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<v Speaker 1>one of these meetings. Um, it's just as excited as

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<v Speaker 1>I am. And I'm happy to introduce Adam our CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna play for you. Recordings of several of

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<v Speaker 1>these meetings from twenty fifteen and right in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of we Works rise. These tapes were never meant to

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<v Speaker 1>be heard outside of the company ever, and they captured

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<v Speaker 1>this very intriguing and revealing aspect of we Work, this

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<v Speaker 1>internal raw ra. You'll be hearing snippets throughout the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey hey, hey, I know you just to set the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>In these meetings, Adam is usually speaking in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a podium. We Work employees are crowded around him, sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor because it's so packed. In one of

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<v Speaker 1>the videos, he's wearing a black t shirt that says

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<v Speaker 1>creator on it. He's standing in front of a gone

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<v Speaker 1>with we Work engraved on it. There's a lot of room.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's sit a little bit in the back. That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>You can sat next to the gone. There's more seats

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<v Speaker 1>over there. This is a different atom from the yearning

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<v Speaker 1>kids struggling to fit in at the Kibbutz. He's different

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<v Speaker 1>also from the guy trying and failing to innovate high

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<v Speaker 1>heels and baby clothing. He had just been featured in

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<v Speaker 1>Forbes in a splashy spread titled inside the Phenomenal Rise

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<v Speaker 1>of We Work, and now he's on stage surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>his employees and telecasting two hundreds more. I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>over how he keeps introducing himself. I'm Adam, nice to

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<v Speaker 1>meet you. As if they don't know who he is,

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<v Speaker 1>they work for him. Okay, can everybody hear me? Part

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<v Speaker 1>of what made working at We Worked so intense during

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<v Speaker 1>these years was the company's rapid expansion. Look at some numbers. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these numbers are are actual numbers, so it is what

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<v Speaker 1>it is. Adam used these growth numbers to get his

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<v Speaker 1>employees excited about what they were accomplishing. Think you look

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<v Speaker 1>one building, four buildings, that means you added three still

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<v Speaker 1>had it on we were sleeping. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing. We had it only two buildings, were

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<v Speaker 1>going backwards. And then twenty fourteen, which is when in

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<v Speaker 1>which a lot of you came, We went from nine

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<v Speaker 1>buildings to twenty three. Were now at thirty four buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>which means we've already added four new markets with Berkeley, Amsterdam, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>and Austin, Texas. The numbers were doubling or tripling year

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<v Speaker 1>by year. Adam told them that what they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>was completely unprecedented. Our physical growth in yrse teen, assuming

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<v Speaker 1>we're just similar to what we're planning or more. It

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be the fastest physical growth in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the world, at least as far as I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell, at least for the past. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>about Roman times, and some of those times there might

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<v Speaker 1>have been some very high growth companies there. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>here's my read on what he's saying. I think Adam

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<v Speaker 1>is only half kidding here. He's obviously joking about there

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<v Speaker 1>being startups during Roman times, but he's not joking when

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<v Speaker 1>he says that we Work is growing like no one else.

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<v Speaker 1>They were opening up buildings all over the world, even

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<v Speaker 1>though they've only been around for a few years. So

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<v Speaker 1>this video was taped in mid right before I started

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<v Speaker 1>covering we Work. At the time, they were seen as

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<v Speaker 1>this hot, rising startup. The company was valued at ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars. Most of the media coverage marveled at how

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<v Speaker 1>fast they were growing, how much money they'd raised, and

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<v Speaker 1>they asked a few questions about whether it was really

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<v Speaker 1>all it was hyped up to be, but there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>much criticism out there. When I started watching these videos

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<v Speaker 1>of all hands meetings, it was the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>I got to hear what Adam was like inside the office,

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<v Speaker 1>what he told his employees, and not what he told

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<v Speaker 1>reporters or the public, And it was really different from

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<v Speaker 1>the shiny, polished narrative that we were put out there.

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<v Speaker 1>In the tape, you hear Adam say things that are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty revealing. Here he is addressing new hires gathered at

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting. You guys are about to find out. We're

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<v Speaker 1>really nice to give him the first thirty days. The

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<v Speaker 1>second thirty days were made by day six. You on,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll know our truth. You'll know our truth. What strikes

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<v Speaker 1>me here is how Adam is saying something weirdly ominous

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<v Speaker 1>to his employees. It's kind of joking, but it's also

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not a joke. I feel like I should take

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<v Speaker 1>a moment here and tell you how I got these tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>They were given to me by an employee. She was

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<v Speaker 1>upset about how we Work was operating, and after she

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<v Speaker 1>shared the recordings, we Work turned around and sued her.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting story. You'll hear it all in full

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<v Speaker 1>later in the series. One of the most fun things

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<v Speaker 1>is when you see a new employee and you know

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<v Speaker 1>two things. One they have no clue what they got

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<v Speaker 1>themselves into. That's a fact. Whatever they think they know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever their friends told them, whatever you told them, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. And don't matter how much you're gonna tell them.

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<v Speaker 1>They won't know. They won't know until they did the

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<v Speaker 1>first all night, or they won't know until they did

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<v Speaker 1>the first summit. They won't know until they did the

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<v Speaker 1>first summer camp. But until you get to experience all

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<v Speaker 1>of that, you don't know. I started talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of current and former we Work employees. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to understand the company better, and many of them told

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<v Speaker 1>me about that withline that Adam was just describing, Their

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<v Speaker 1>first few months on the job were a shock. Things

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<v Speaker 1>were much more frantic than it seemed from the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>This incredible growth, growth that Adam compared to Roman times,

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<v Speaker 1>meant that internally it was chaos. Here's Teddy again. We

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<v Speaker 1>opened up a building in New York down in Soho. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't have a functioning bathroom on the first day.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so I had to go down the block to

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<v Speaker 1>a local coffee shop and buy out all of their

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<v Speaker 1>pastries and told them that if someone came in with

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<v Speaker 1>a wee Work keycard that they would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>use the bathroom. There's the saying you you know you've

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<v Speaker 1>got three options fast, cheap, and right, but you only

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<v Speaker 1>get to pick two. What are you gonna pick? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we work, it was always fast and cheap. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it sounds crazy to open an office with no bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were so many more stories like this. When

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<v Speaker 1>we opened up our first building in DC, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have coffee machines. So on Super Bowl Sunday we were

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<v Speaker 1>opening up the day after Super Bowl Sunday, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Costco and bought four Mr Coffee, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>personal coffee machines, and we were on and four at

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<v Speaker 1>a time, blowing the breaker all morning, having to reset

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>the electricity for it towards it um, but that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you had to do. Then there was a time when

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<v Speaker 1>we work was about to open a building in Berkeley.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one wrinkle. They had installed a front door

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't accessible to people with disabilities. So, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>evaluated and looked at it, and we determined that it

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<v Speaker 1>was better to have no door than to have a

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<v Speaker 1>non compliant door. So for about three days after we

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<v Speaker 1>opened up that location in Berkeley in January of two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and fifteen we had a literally no door on

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<v Speaker 1>the building with cold East Bay air blowing through, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to hire seven security until we could get

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<v Speaker 1>the door fixed. These screw ups made we were customers unhappy,

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<v Speaker 1>but Teddy said that the way to fix it was

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<v Speaker 1>to offer them free brunch, a nice happy hour, or

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<v Speaker 1>a discount on rent. Another community manager, Carl, had to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this too. You heard from him earlier. Building

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<v Speaker 1>launches were the most stressful because paint was still drying

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<v Speaker 1>when people moved in, and it was that under shut.

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<v Speaker 1>In Miami Beach, one of the offices failed inspection on

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<v Speaker 1>the morning it was supposed to open, leaving members ready

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<v Speaker 1>to move in stranded. And you have people who paid

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<v Speaker 1>money showing up with boxes of things to move into

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<v Speaker 1>their new office that were told they cannot go into

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<v Speaker 1>that building. So we work, over the course of forty

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>eight hours, had to build a makeshift office across the

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<v Speaker 1>street at this empty like commercial building. Paint it, make

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<v Speaker 1>it look cool, give it a we worked vibe, get

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<v Speaker 1>internet set up, get all these things set up, and

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<v Speaker 1>they pulled it off. It blows my mind like they

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<v Speaker 1>totally pulled it off. In d C where Carl worked,

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<v Speaker 1>we Worke didn't have a liquor license for the free

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<v Speaker 1>beer it was giving out. Carl tried to fix it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea what license to apply for. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I a tavern? The hell's a tavern. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>Carl is twenty six trying to figure out permits to

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<v Speaker 1>satisfy some arcane municipal law and he doesn't quite nail it.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl is convinced that someone tipped off the cops. So

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<v Speaker 1>I remember we actually had a rate happened at all

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<v Speaker 1>of our offices where it was almost like swat style

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<v Speaker 1>where all these cops are pouring in, like where's the alcohol?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is the alcohol? And like that keg over there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like in this beautiful marble center thing that's right

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<v Speaker 1>over there, and they were like where's the other And

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, I had my community managers calling

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<v Speaker 1>me freaking out, like dude, cops are here to Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>like what's going on. Carl was a city level manager

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<v Speaker 1>for we Works Community Team, a department name that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>kind of vague, but that's also pretty common at big startups.

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<v Speaker 1>Community workers are on the front lines. They manage WE

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<v Speaker 1>Worked buildings. They're the ones who dealt with disasters. They

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<v Speaker 1>were the first people you saw when you walked into

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<v Speaker 1>a We were some sat at the front desk. They

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<v Speaker 1>gave tours and sold new memberships, tapped the kegs, fixed

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<v Speaker 1>the printer, handled anything that came up. Really. They also

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<v Speaker 1>hosted events in the buildings that often meant really long hours.

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<v Speaker 1>They were usually the first ones into the building and

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<v Speaker 1>the last ones out, so then you'd have to host

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<v Speaker 1>a party or host an event, host the lecture, host

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<v Speaker 1>something in the space. So you know, before you know it,

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<v Speaker 1>you got up at seven am, got to worked by eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're leaving work at ten just to start

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<v Speaker 1>it all her again. And you would do that. We

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<v Speaker 1>would do that for weeks, weeks, months, um. More often

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<v Speaker 1>than not. We were just dealing with problems and members

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<v Speaker 1>coming up to us and complaining. Carl said the job

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<v Speaker 1>was tough, especially for his younger employees who got blamed

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<v Speaker 1>for the work frustrations of their customers, like it is

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<v Speaker 1>somehow your problem, you did something wrong. The temperature in

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<v Speaker 1>this office is why they'd enclose that deal. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard to tell a twenty three or four

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<v Speaker 1>year old that this guy who's spitting in your face,

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<v Speaker 1>so angry about a bad print job, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>not your problem and not your fault. We said. The

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<v Speaker 1>community employees were young, but so were a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the customers, or at least they acted like it. Carl

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<v Speaker 1>really learned a lot about humanity on this job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, you know the crazy parts that have these

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<v Speaker 1>office birthdays and just leave the cake out for like days,

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<v Speaker 1>just like cake, an open air cake. So yeah, mice everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like it was the thing. It was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten to the point where I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect bait to use to get mice. I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you the right traps to use. I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you the right corners to use, what time of night

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<v Speaker 1>they usually like, move around. Um, it's crazy. Keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind a lot of these employees are recent college grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>some of whom are in their first jobs, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>been hired by this very exciting startup and they're learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to trap mice. The first go around, we use

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<v Speaker 1>glue traps. Horrific. Don't ever use those. They're all these

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<v Speaker 1>screaming mice. So we're trying to get off the trap.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't take them off that ripping their skin off

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<v Speaker 1>in every every woman in the building, They're all like screw,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I had to do something because that's to put

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<v Speaker 1>them out their miseries. I basically it was either I

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<v Speaker 1>killed them myself right threw them in the trash can.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like sticky pads of mice screaming, which

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<v Speaker 1>is horrifying. Members also brought in their dogs. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>the beauty of we work was you can bring your

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<v Speaker 1>dog to work, so adorable and so amazing. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of our buildings, that Wonderbread, Uh, they let too many

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<v Speaker 1>of the dogs off leash and they became like their

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<v Speaker 1>own pack of roving roving like wool. They just ran

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<v Speaker 1>around and it was like one dog was like the

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<v Speaker 1>alpha and all the dogs just like follow. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just so crazy, and we got so many complaints. Everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell is going on the hallways because you

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<v Speaker 1>all you heard was like one dog would start sprinting

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<v Speaker 1>in like a whole pack of dogs that would follow.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes their job included dealing with party leftovers. We had

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<v Speaker 1>so many parties where you know, I think in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire time, three times I found like a condom rapper

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<v Speaker 1>or econom in a gross place, like one in the

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<v Speaker 1>phone booth, you know, one in the meditation room. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the reason the meditation was at a door, just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta I can't trust people behind closed doors. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting people are awful, awful, awful. So what did Carl

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<v Speaker 1>do the first time he saw a used condom? The

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<v Speaker 1>first time? I gagged? Well, and then I took a

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<v Speaker 1>photo and I sected it to my team and like

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<v Speaker 1>with the words WTF. And then it turns his whole

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<v Speaker 1>chat like, oh my god, what did you find out?

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's just a guessing game and then of

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<v Speaker 1>who it was, and then me going through recordings from

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<v Speaker 1>I figure out who was to have a super awkward

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<v Speaker 1>chat with a member. Sadly, Carl couldn't figure out the

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<v Speaker 1>condom culprit and he didn't want to leave his staff

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it, so he did what he thought

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 1>a leader should do. So I put on a glove,

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<v Speaker 1>looked away, picked it up, through it in trash. Disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>gross gross gross gross. And it wasn't just condoms. There

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<v Speaker 1>was one other unfortunate party favor Oh yeah, parties. Yeah,

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 1>people vomited and with the weirdest places. Um, some guys

0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 1>just can't women got women and women can't hold their

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>booze and the you know, the good thing at a

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>phone booth and they turned dark when you close the door,

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>so you open it, you vomit, You close it, and

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody will find it until they open it again. So

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<v Speaker 1>so yes, if your CEO is bragging about serving ninety

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<v Speaker 1>beers a month, you might witness some of the side

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>effects of heavy drinking. But that's what's funny about Carl.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though he had to deal with the disgusting aftermath,

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<v Speaker 1>he still thinks that beer is part of what made

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 1>we work special and attractive. I mean, obviously a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of these things wouldn't have happened about the parties, but

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<v Speaker 1>the parties kind of kept the momentum of the space going.

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<v Speaker 1>I see a lot of new coworking spaces now they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is coworking space for adults and blah blah blah,

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>but they're just not as fun. Say what you will

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:13.880
<v Speaker 1>about with a drinking culture, which definitely got out of

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<v Speaker 1>hand many times. Um, it was the only place doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was wild and it was fun and it

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<v Speaker 1>kept people talking. So Carl defended a lot of aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of the job, even though it sometimes made him miserable.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody at we work, I don't care what position they were,

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<v Speaker 1>had a moment where they felt like crying. So many

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of Carl's employees cried at work that he developed a

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<v Speaker 1>standard line of advice for them. So rather than lose

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>employees or have them completely freak out in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a member, I always tell employees, hey, listen, like, if

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<v Speaker 1>you ever have that moment, grab somebody who will cover

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<v Speaker 1>the desk for you, and just go take as long

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of a walk as you need. And he had advice

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<v Speaker 1>on where to cry too, Well, if you're building was

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<v Speaker 1>sold out, you can find an empty office, it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually supply is were okay. Where wherever you can. Just

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<v Speaker 1>don't do it for the members. And if you need

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<v Speaker 1>talk to someone, talk to somebody in your team, or

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me. That was the rule. And during this

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<v Speaker 1>whole period, actually I remember a lot of former employees

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<v Speaker 1>talking to me about this feeling of chaos. How we

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<v Speaker 1>work seemed from the outside like this rocket ship destined

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<v Speaker 1>for the moon, but on the inside it was growing

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<v Speaker 1>so quickly that you couldn't keep up. It was basically

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<v Speaker 1>just smile through the tears. Actually, this was one of

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<v Speaker 1>my first big breakthroughs in reporting on We Work again.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, almost all the press coverage of we

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<v Speaker 1>Work was so positive, but I kept finding employees who

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<v Speaker 1>were burnt out and frustrated and also feeling betrayed. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been told so many positive things by their employer about

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<v Speaker 1>doing what you love, only to find that working there

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<v Speaker 1>was a disheartening experience. As I talked to them, I

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<v Speaker 1>kept learning more and more about how they felt wronged

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<v Speaker 1>and mistreated by We Work. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first hints to me that there was something off. I

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<v Speaker 1>kept thinking that it can't be this successful of a

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<v Speaker 1>company if its employees are so unhappy. Right, that's next

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