1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Seahawks Insiders. Second down in two, 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: the hand off, the penny at the fifteen attend five 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: in touchsown Seahawks Getting you ready for Seahawks football every Sunday, 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: first and tenant to Seattle forty play Facon Stafford's gonna stop, 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: gonna look, gets hit Gouffs down back and midfield. Getting 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: to him in the backfield is Daryl Taylor. Here's your host, 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Gen Mueller. I love that we have a reason to 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: talk about Seahawks football, even if we are not getting 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: you ready for game day. There is plenty to break 10 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: down today, and we have a special guest. It is 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: not just gonna be me and John Boyle from Seahawks 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, John Boyle, Hello, And that's not the 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: best thing our listeners can hear. Oh goodness, it's not 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: just Jen and John all right when they hear that, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: that's not no. What we're saying is this is an 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: extra special bonus osode and we have an extra special 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Seahawks insider joining us today, the perfect guest to break 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: down the Seahawks draft and the first time ever he 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: has joined our podcast. Mister Rob rang Rob, thanks for 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: taking some time. I know that it has been like 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: a NonStop a few months for you. My goodness, it 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: has been a little bit exhausting. Thank you so much 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: both of you for having me. Well, we are going 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: to make you dive deep on the draft picks because 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: John and I already have opinions. We spend time talking 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: last week. Let's recap what the Seahawks did before we 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: dive in. John, I'm gonna put you on the hot 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 1: seat first to ask the question. But let's go back. 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: The Seahawks make nine picks, the number one pick in 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: the first draft, which was actually pick number nine, offensive 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: tackle Charles Cross out of Mississippi State. They address their 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: need for offensive tackle twice in this draft. They do 33 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: pick up a couple of linebackers edge rushers is more 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: of how I would think about them instead of the 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: traditional linebacker. A couple of corners and a couple of 36 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the late rounds that are kind of interesting. 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: And I think that up and down this draft class, 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: the Seahawks addressed a lot of need. So, John Boyle, 39 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: what is the first question you have for mister Ring Well, 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I guess my good question for Rob, which I think 41 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: is kind of for all this is is this draft 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: almost surprising in its lack of surprise. I feel like 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: most years we expect the Seahawks to kind of zig 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: one other team zag, especially with those early picks, and 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: they did things that we all maybe could have seen coming. 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: I think if the absolutely did John, you know, go 47 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: with the route that we anticipated in that they checked 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: off an awful lot of boxes as far as their 49 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: biggest areas of concern. At the same time, there was 50 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: still was a little bit as zig to a lot 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: of people's dag considering the fact that both of the 52 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: two offensive tackles come from air raid systems that usually 53 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: are you know, kind of players that are not as 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: good in run blocking as they are in path blocking. 55 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: And of course we know that Pete Carroll and John 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: Scheier have always prioritized the run. But at the same time, 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: when you look at the size, the physicality, the athletic ability, 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: and just the opportunities that Charles Cross number nine overall, 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: and of course Abraham Lucas number seventy two overall, when 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: they did get their opportunities to run blocks, Charles Cross, 61 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 1: excuse me, Abraham Lucas at the Senior Bowl for example, 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: They've proved themselves to be very effective in that way 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: as well. So I think that this was the first 64 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: of the boxes that Sell checked off. But I think 65 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: that it's checked off with exclamation point well. And I 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: would say this for those that point to the fact 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: that they have not done a lot of run blocking, 68 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: there's two things on that. One. Just because they haven't 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: been asked to do it doesn't mean that they can. 70 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: But I talked to Steve Hutchinson the day after they 71 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: picked Charles Cross and I said, Steve, how much stock 72 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: do you place in this conversation? It was like, Jen, 73 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: I see an athlete and I see an athlete at 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: left tackle, and when I see that, I know that 75 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: you can do both right Like that, So Rob, when 76 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: you evaluate those guys, how much of it is just 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: overall athletic talent? And it's what guys like Walter Joe 78 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: had right, Like we've seen that here in Seattle. You 79 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: don't talk about him being super great at one versus 80 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: the other. He was a heck of an athlete, unbelievable athlete, 81 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: obviously a Hall of famer, both of them, Steve Hutchinson 82 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: as well as Walter Jones. I think That's what the 83 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: thing about Charles Cross. To start off with him first, 84 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: what you see is just a reactive athleticism. It's almost 85 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: basketball like, the way that he can kind of mirror 86 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: moving left to right, being able to get up to 87 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: the second level adjust to linebackers, the arm length, the 88 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: fact that he's just twenty one years old, the fact 89 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: that he was a basically a superstar from the get 90 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: go at left tackle in Mike Leach's offense at Mississippi State. 91 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: I mentioned Mike Leap specifically guys because he was the 92 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: head coach the last two years for the Bulldogs, but 93 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: it was Joe Moorehead, a guy who played a little 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: bit more of a kind of prototypical pro style kind 95 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: of offense, was actually who recruited Charles rock Cross to 96 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: Mississippi State in the first place. So he does have 97 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: some experience in that offense. And then again, because of 98 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: the fact that he is a relatively younger player, going 99 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: back to Steve Hutchinson's comment, you just see the athletic 100 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: tools that he possesses. This was absolutely a top ten 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: caliber player. Seattle was lucky to get him. Frankly at 102 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: number nine. Overall, I think that we might be talking 103 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: about a future pro bowler at the most important position 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: along the offensive line. It's gotta be nice for the 105 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Seas that you can send a Hall of Fame guard 106 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: out to work with these guys and just be like, 107 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: all right, hutch go check him out. And you know 108 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: we've all been around hutch enough. No, he's not getting 109 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: a blow smoke and sugarcoated. He's going to give him 110 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: a real honest assessment. And I asked Pete Carroll john 111 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Shire about that after they referenced touch working cross out, 112 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: and it's just it is just such a cool resource 113 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, if Steve Hutchinson's tell me this 114 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: guy can learn to run block, well, I'm going to 115 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: take his word on it. I think one of the 116 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: places that the Seahawks fan base thought the team zigged 117 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: instead of zagged or vice versa is I'm not sure. 118 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that I think the Seahawks zagged in 119 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: this art. We're gonna say that their second round pick, 120 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: the running back out of Michigan State Rob Is that 121 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: where you think they kind of went counter to what 122 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: people were thinking or is there another pick? Well, I 123 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: think if that would be the one that you could 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: you could point to, you know, Keneth Walker the third 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: from Michigan State. I mean, I don't know that it's 126 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: a zigger zag in the aspect of the Seahawks have 127 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: consistently drafted quality football players, especially in a Day two 128 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: and Day three guys that maybe some people have kind 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: of talked about and questioned a little bit, and yet 130 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: when you watch them in their college tape, they've absolutely 131 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: been dominant. And oh my goodness, was Kenneth Walker the 132 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: third an absolutely dominant player at Michigan State. I mean, 133 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: he was a good football player at Wake Forest and 134 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: then gambled on himself, made that that that transfer over 135 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: to Michigan State, and all the wound up being was 136 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: a Dope Walker Award winner as the nation's best running back, 137 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: led all Power five rushers in rushing yards this past season. 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: You just see that the balance of through contact, you 139 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: see the vision, you see the straight lines speed me 140 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: four point three eight seconds in the forty yard dash. 141 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I mean that it's absolutely lightning. And so to me, 142 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: this was one of the kind of slam dunk ty 143 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: of Seahawks selections. I really thought that there was a 144 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: possibility that that Seattle would make this one of those 145 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: wildcard selections. I kind of talked about Keneth Walker the 146 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: Third as well as Bruce Hall, the only other running 147 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: back to go ahead of him, and again, Keneth Walker 148 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: the Third actually had more rushing yards this past season 149 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: than Bruce Hall. So I thought that this was a 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: selection that makes sense if you know that the way 151 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: the Seahawks operates. Sure, there's gonna be some others out 152 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: there who thought that Seattle should have gone with a 153 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: different positional group, but at the same time, again, if 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: you're looking for guys that are going to be able 155 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: to give you that immediate impact than Kenneth Walker the third, 156 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: Michigan State certainly is going to be able to provide that. 157 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: Two things all add to that. One. This is to 158 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: me the luxury of getting acquiring that extra second round 159 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: pick off. You can still go out get that pass rusher. 160 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: You need this more. You know, what people want to 161 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: say is the high value position, the need you go 162 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: get Mafe and then you can get what is just 163 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: arguably the best player you have left on your board 164 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and the Ken Walker. And look, I get some people 165 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: like to say running backs don't matter, they're interchangeable, but 166 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: there's plenty of recent data that shows, you know, the 167 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: top running backs, the guys leading the league, the Pro 168 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: Bowl guys are still first and second round picks. And 169 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: whether you agree with how the Seahawks play offense or not, 170 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: they are going to be a balanced team. Running Backs 171 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: are important in this offense, and we've seen it ever 172 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: since Marshawn Lentry died. It's hard to keep a running 173 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: back healthy. He was the exception, the guy who just 174 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: made it out there every week. That position is so 175 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: hard to stay healthy. So having another really good player 176 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: to pair with the guys you have. And again, we 177 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen with Chris Carson, Pete 178 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: Carrolsman kind of. They just don't know about that injury yet. 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: So to me, this pick makes a lot more sense 180 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: than a lot of casual fans think with oh running 181 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: back is too early. Well, and we don't know what's 182 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: going to happen with Rashad Penny either. I would love 183 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: to think that it picks up or a left off, 184 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: but you do have to cover your bases on this one. 185 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I could keep asking some very specific draft questions, but 186 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: before I do, Rob, I think one of the narratives 187 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: that is coming out of this draft is the fact 188 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: that the Seahawks seem to do such a good job 189 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: of addressing needs in this draft, where if you compare 190 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: that to pass drafts, it hasn't been as straightforward. I 191 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: look at this and say, the Seahawks haven't had a 192 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: top ten draft pick since twenty twelve. Right, of course, 193 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: their board stacked up differently. John just mentioned the fact 194 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: that you've got two second round picks. How much of 195 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: this is just by virtue of where they are picking 196 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: now versus trying to make the most of what you 197 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: could do with you know, pick twenty eight or something 198 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: like that. It's a really good point, Jen. I think 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: that that is absolutely a big part of this, and 200 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: I think the Seattle you know, has a little bit 201 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: more flexibility the fact that this is a team that 202 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: had to make some adjustments. I mean, you had some 203 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: pretty significant areas of stern here, whereas in the past, 204 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: when you were a team that was you know very much, 205 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, drafting in twenty eight, twenty ninth, thirtieth overall, 206 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, being one of those Super Bowl contenders, then 207 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: there was it was so easy to see, Okay, well, 208 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: see I don't need to tackle. Seettle needs an edge rusher, 209 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: and if those three or four players went off the board, 210 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: then they were kind of stuck. That's one of the 211 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: reasons why John Scheider got that nickname around the League 212 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: of Trader John is just because he was kind of 213 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: forced to react because so many of the best players 214 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: were already off the board long before the Seahawks had 215 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: their best opportunities. But here when you do have some 216 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: turnover at the offensive tackle position, you did had an 217 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: obvious need for some more edge rushers. You had some 218 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: questions at cornerback, and everybody nationally is talking about the quarterback. 219 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: And I think that it just kind of proved that 220 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: how fascinated Seattle is with Drew Locks upside, how comfortable 221 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: that they are already with you, you you know, Smith, as 222 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: well as Jacob Eason, and so it allowed Attle to 223 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: be a little bit more flexible take the best player available. 224 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to speak with a couple of 225 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Seattle scouts after Day one of the draft, and that 226 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: was one of the things. They kind of walked out there, 227 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: gave me a smile and just said best player available. 228 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: And it just so happens that also obviously was one 229 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: of the biggest areas of concern that Seattle is able 230 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: to address the left tackle and Charles Cross. So again 231 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: to Jen's point, I think that this did allow them 232 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: a great deal of flexibility. They also by having that 233 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: top ten selection, by having number forty, number forty one, 234 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: by having number seventy two, four picks within the first 235 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: seventy two picks, I mean that just gave them an 236 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: awful lot of flexibility. Of course, last year they only 237 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: had three selections overall. Again, to have four of the 238 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: top seventy two just gave them an awful lot of 239 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 1: chances to get the best player available. I think that 240 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: they did that. John, what do you make of what 241 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: people are saying about the cornerbacks? You know, it's it's 242 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: an interesting the two they drafted or the position overall, 243 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: well both, but the two they drafted and how they 244 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: fit in, and I just I don't know, I'm intrigued 245 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: by them, but I realize that not everybody takes that 246 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: same position. You know, Rob could break this down. I'm 247 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: sure he's studied these guys more me, But to me, 248 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: it's just interesting because it's you've got it looks like 249 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: one guy who's very polished to you know, Thorpe Award winner. 250 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: He's the kind of guy that I could see Paul 251 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: in the Trey. But we're talking about Kobe Bryant here 252 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: could could pull a Trey Brown. And if Brown had 253 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: been healthy coming out of camp, he was, he was 254 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: getting number one reps before he got hurt in training camp. 255 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: I could see Koebrant being that kind of guy, whereas 256 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: Tree Wooley, I mean or Wall and excuse me. It's 257 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: looks he's got the measurables off the chart, but I 258 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: think we all know he's most likely more of a 259 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: project for Pete Carroll to develop. And the guy that 260 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: if you're that size and you run a four two 261 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: in your fifth round pick, there's some growth that needs 262 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: to happen, because if you were a finished product with 263 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: those measurables, you'd be at the top five pick like 264 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: the guys we saw go off the board. So it's 265 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: interesting me just sort of the contrast of these two 266 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: of one guy looks very polished and like he could 267 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: play next week for the Seahawks, and one guy has 268 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: just all the upside in the world. But you got 269 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: to see think and make it come to fruition. I 270 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: would agree with that, guys. I mean, I just think 271 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: that the john Are took grade as well. That you're 272 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: at the cornerback position even more so than an edge rusher, 273 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: which I feel I still think that Seattle took that 274 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: same kind of approach offensive tackles slightly less wide receiver. 275 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: I love that Seattle kind of double dipped with these 276 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: four positions of need and also four positions of excellent 277 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: strength in this year's draft class. And then again specifically 278 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: at the cornerback position, you've got a guy in Kobe 279 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: Bryant who is as pro ready as it gets me. 280 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: This is a four year starter at Cincinnati, as John mentioned, 281 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: a Thorpe Award winner as the nation's most productive defensive back. 282 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the interceptions. It wasn't just the 283 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: past breakups. It's forced fumbles. It's the fact that he 284 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: goes to the Senior Bowl and he is a guy 285 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: that is staying after practice to help coach up some 286 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: of the other defensive backs that were there in crowding 287 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Tariq Willan and then Wollan, Oh my goodness, talk about it. 288 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Just a combine. You know. I hate saying the word 289 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: freak because it can be perceived as a slight, and 290 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: it is certainly not a slight when you're talking about 291 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: a guy who at six four two hundred pounds running 292 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: in a four point two six, which fastest the combined 293 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: forty two inch vertical best at the combine and in 294 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: the forest. We know Seattle's history, We know how Pete 295 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Carroll was able to help Richard Sherman make that transition 296 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: from a wide receiver to quarterback, just like Wooland is 297 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: doing as a fifth round selection. No Less is a 298 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy that that really flashed No Less that 299 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: There's just so many things about it that that kind 300 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: of just we've been down this road before, and this 301 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: road resulted in a Lombardi Trophy for the Seahawks. So that, 302 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: to me is the most exciting thing. Is this just 303 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: feels like turned back the clock day or something for 304 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: the Seahawks because they didn't get so many good football 305 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: players because again they allow the draft to kind of 306 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: come to them. They got really good players that happen 307 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: to be positions of concern, but also because the twenty 308 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: twenty two draft was absolutely loaded at tackle, edge rush, 309 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: your cornerback and wide receiver before we move on Jed, 310 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: I was going to say with Wollen, I would love 311 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: to see at Miniicamp this week, does Pete Carroll do 312 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: anything but coach Tree Wallen this week? I could see 313 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: three days of just Pete off to the side. I 314 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember with Trey Flowers eat a 315 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: little bit of that at Ricky Mancamp. I think we're 316 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of one on one time 317 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: with those two. Well, and here's what I was going 318 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: to say. I know that everybody looks at him and 319 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: thinks Richard Sherman. Right, you can't look at him and 320 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: think anything else. But my question to both of you, 321 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: and I thought about this for as many different comps 322 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: as came up for past Seahawks players that did, like 323 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: when we were doing draft day things, is that a 324 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: good thing or a bad thing, because it wasn't just 325 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: Sherm Right. You're looking at bow Melton and you're saying, man, 326 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: he could do something like what Doug Baldwin did, and 327 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: that's awesome, right, And I love Sherman and I love Doug. 328 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: What people forget is Richard Trman was not Richard Sherman 329 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: out of the gate. Richard Sherman was not a starter. 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: He only got in the game more guys got hurt. Yeah, right, 331 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: And part of the reason now, he is a very 332 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: talented football player and he is very smart. He also 333 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: had a very strong secondary around him, and he had 334 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: a very good front seven in front of him. So 335 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like, how much does that help and does 336 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: that hurt? Because expectations get set based on that comp 337 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: But I don't think we always remember how that player 338 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: got to be what they ended up, you know what 339 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean. I mean, look, it's it's inevitable all the guys. 340 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: You know that. You look at the length and you 341 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: look at the position switch, and I totally get where 342 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: people are coming from. But it's you can take it 343 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt and say, Okay, I see 344 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: the similarities. But if people are gonna say, look, this 345 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: guy's the next Richard Sherman, that's just unfair expectation to putle. 346 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Richard Sherman is a once in a lifetime competitor. 347 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: And just like the drive that guy had, which we 348 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: don't know yet, you know what trick Willen is in 349 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: that regard, And I also think it's probably fair stares 350 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: Deserman was a little more polished as a corner coming out. 351 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: He was playing at a major conference school starting multiple 352 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: years there after. Making that switch wasn't as fast either, 353 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: I mean, didn't have quite the measurable as that well 354 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: and does so again, it's you know, the comparisons aren't 355 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: edible just because of similarities, but it's pretty unfair to 356 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: just look at it and say he should be the 357 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: next Richard Sherman. Excellent point, guys. I'm happy that you 358 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: made it. I think that we just I call it 359 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the McDonaldization of sports. We basically want these guys to 360 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: be immediate, you know, immediate pro bowlers, and so if yeah, 361 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: it's just the nature of the business when you're in 362 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: the business. I'm in as a draft analyst, so you 363 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: have to use comparisons. But I agree with with Jen's 364 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: initial point here as far as that there's a lot 365 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: of Seahawk fans that are expecting him to come in 366 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: and be Richard Sherman immediately. And to me, one of 367 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: the underrated elements of Richard Sherman's greatness is the fact 368 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: that he was one of the most reliable open field 369 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: tacklers at the cornerback position. I've ever seen. He had 370 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: unbelievable ball skills as well. Those are two areas that 371 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: Tarik Willan simply is not in the same planet as 372 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman, at least not yet. John just made the 373 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: point about the competitiveness of Richard Sherman. We all saw that, 374 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: and so if Wollen is going to become anything close 375 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: to what Richard Sherman was, then and then certainly Wollen 376 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 1: is going to have to prove that he is that 377 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: type of competitor. He is going to have to be 378 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: able to kind of use those long arms thirty four 379 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: inch arms, by the way, to be able to lasso 380 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: ball cares, be able to drop a shoulder into ball 381 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: cares the way that Richard Sherman did. And he's also 382 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: going to have to be able to show improve ball skills. 383 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: He had two interceptions over his college careerman. Richard Sherman 384 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: had that just about every game. It felt lack of times, 385 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: you know. So those are certainly some areas in which 386 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: Trick Willen has a long way to go. But Jen 387 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: made the point before about just what an incredible athlete 388 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: that Woollen is, and that is one of the things 389 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: that he is an upgrade over Sherman and just straight 390 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: line speed in terms of his leaping ability, and so 391 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: again the upside is through the roof, but we do 392 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: need to kind of pause on the expectations, especially as 393 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: a rookie. I think that trick Willens most likely scenario 394 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: as a rookie is that he's going to be a 395 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: superstar gunner on special teams and perhaps get some play 396 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: at the cornerback position, not walk in and be competing 397 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: for all Pro votes. That's exactly where I was going 398 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: to go with this because if I have a concern 399 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: of this draft, and it's far too early to have 400 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: a concern, right, but special teams needs to be restocked, 401 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: and typically you're going to use those skill guys. So 402 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: those two wide receivers in the seventh round, if they 403 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: make the team, that's what you're looking at. But yeah, 404 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: you need a gunner, you need some difference makers on 405 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: special teams, and I think that Terek is a good 406 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: one there. I don't know what to make of the 407 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: wide receivers, and I've got questions about the wide receivers, 408 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: and I have questions about the pass rushers. Does Tyreek 409 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Smith out of Ohio State have enough moves after playing 410 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: in that conference to be effective out of the gates 411 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL, in my opinion, and he does. You know, 412 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: I see a guy who has speed, who has power, 413 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: who uses hands very well. My biggest area of concern 414 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: with Tarik Smith from Ohio State is just a Durham building. 415 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he has just struggled with that at Ohio State. Now. 416 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: I love the fact that he is coming from a 417 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 1: program like the Buckeyes that just consistently churns out quality players. 418 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: He is not going to be as intimidated with Seattle's 419 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: talent already on the field that maybe some others would be. 420 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: I think that he's going to feel challenged by the 421 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: idea that another big ten player in Boye Mafe actually 422 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: wound up obviously going earlier and is being perceived as 423 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: the more grow ready kind of a guy just because 424 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: of the fact that he was selected earlier than that. 425 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: I think that's going to kind of put a charge 426 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: into Arry Smith. So I think that he absolutely can 427 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: be that guy. To me, he is very similar to 428 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: the situation we saw a couple of years ago with 429 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: Darryl Taylor and Alton Robinson that you're going to see 430 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: both these players. I think you're gonna wind up competing 431 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: for significant minutes, but it's going to be fairly clear. 432 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: I think once we start getting onto the field that 433 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: just like Darryll Taylor that with Moya Moffa, you're talking 434 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: about a guy who just has a different level of speed, 435 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: a different level ability to turn the corner and really 436 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: close on the quarterback. But Kyrie sniff lashes that as well. 437 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what he is able to do. 438 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: And again to your point, Jen, I think they can 439 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: both perform on special teams every bit as much as 440 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: they can on defense. I feel like I'm dominating the conversation, John, 441 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: Do you have burning questions that you want to ask? 442 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm going to ask my wide receiver one and 443 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: then we're going to wrap up here in a couple 444 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: of minutes, So I don't want to dominate it. Jen, 445 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: We're better when you're driving the car. Does everybody hear that? 446 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: And can I get that on a loop? Not just 447 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: for podcasts, but can you please tell my husband I 448 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: am better when I'm driving the car. Sure, Nas, I'll 449 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: cut that for you and you can save it. Hey, no, 450 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: it's your phone. So the bad words that come out 451 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: of my mouth when I'm driving a car. But that's 452 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Okay, Rob, My last question for 453 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: this draft class is wide receiver. It is such a 454 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: deep class of wide receivers. Is it, like, let me 455 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: rephrase that. Is it a deep enough class to think 456 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: that the Seahawks found a couple of players in the 457 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: seventh round. Yeah, I think that it is. And I'm 458 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: shocked to say that. But the two receivers that Seattle selected, 459 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, bow Melton from Rutgers, I mean, his production 460 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: the Big ten speaks for itself again, another Senior Bowl guy. 461 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: And then with Derek Young, I mean, oh my goodness. 462 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: You just kind of watched the tape on him. You 463 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: see the workout numbers, you just see the pictures of 464 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, he's just absolutely built, you know, 465 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: the way that you're looking for. I always thought that 466 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: it was kind of surprising when you looked at the 467 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: way the Seahawks roster was built into wide receiver position. 468 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: Besides DK Metcalf, there wasn't a lot of guys who 469 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: had size, and Drake Young certainly has that. And with 470 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: bow Melton, it's his quickness, it's his ability in the 471 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: middle of the field, and that is something I think 472 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: that in Shane Waldron's offense, you're going to see Seattle 473 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: trying to explain a little bit more. We talked about 474 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: this before with the way that Seattle double dip at 475 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: different positions here. I really like that you got a 476 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: guy who is a kind of a shorter, shiftier, you know, 477 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: interior kind of threat, and then you got a guy 478 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: on the outside who can be that gunner, who also 479 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: can be that vertical threat. And oh my goodness, they 480 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 1: also used him almost like as a Deebo Samuel kind 481 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: of a runner out of the backfield jet sweeps things 482 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: as well. I just really like the positional versatility that 483 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: both of these two wide receivers selected for Seattle are 484 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: going to be able to offer the club. Yeah, I 485 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: would say in that offense, sorry John, to cut off. 486 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: In that offense, you don't really want to see Tyler 487 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: Lockett work in the middle of the field as much 488 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 1: as he did. You'd like to have one of these 489 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: other guys that is a Doug Baldwin Bobby Ingram type 490 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: that's a little bit more shifty and let Tyler take 491 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: care of some of those even if it's a deep 492 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: cross down field bit, but get him out of some 493 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: of that danger zone underneath John. And this is always 494 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: a case with these late round picks. If they're going 495 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: to make this team, it's going to be on special teams. 496 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: In both these guys played a tunnel special teams in college. 497 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: They've got, you know, as Rob said, different makeups, but 498 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: they're both really good athletes. And I think you know, 499 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: we've this team has a long history of undrafted late 500 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: round receivers Doug Ball and Jermaine Curse, uh, David More 501 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: just different guys who have you know, made their roster 502 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: spot on special teams mostly and then carved out roles 503 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: on offense. So I think if these guys are going 504 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: to make the team and contribute, they could be more 505 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: guys that are restocking special teams. As you said, Jen, 506 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: they need to do. I would also point out that 507 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: I might think Derek is too smart to be playing football. 508 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: Like we've had some smart guys. We have our Stanford guys, 509 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: we have a Harvard guy. Derek is working on his 510 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: NBA And what is he he mastered in or he 511 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: majored in late engineering, engineering, physics or something. Yeah, what 512 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: do you do when playing football, like you used that 513 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: brain for something like like world changing. I am so 514 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: impressed with that young man after talking to him for 515 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: just a few minutes. So overall, Rob, I think what 516 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: you're saying is the Seahawks get a good grade this year, 517 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: and they give the grade for years to come. I 518 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: think based on this draft class. Agree, Yeah, I gave may. 519 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: I think that this is one of the better draft 520 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: classes and in all of the NFL. I think that 521 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: it was needed. Frankly, I mean Pete and John talked 522 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: about that that they needed to kind of reassure scouts 523 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: or reassure excuse me, reassure Seahawk fans that they knew 524 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: what they were doing if they were set about the 525 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: fact that they were picking as early as they did. 526 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: I thought that they needed to do a really nice 527 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: job in this draft class and restocking the shelves. And 528 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: I applaud them for the discipline of not just kind of, 529 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, bodying the debate with the quarterbacks instead rebuilding 530 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: the team that the way they did it in the 531 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: first time around, and that to me is I think 532 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: it is going to set them up for not only 533 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: success this upcoming season, but certainly in the future as well. 534 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: I love it, John, this was a good get as 535 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: the guest. It's a nice idea for fancy miss it. 536 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: Rob was all over seahawks dot com free draft writing 537 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: stories for us, so we're a have to running back 538 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: next draft. It upgraded our coverage quite a bit from 539 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: just having yours truly right about it well, was definitely 540 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: kind of both of you. Thank you guys so much 541 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, we are definitely going to invite 542 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: Rob back and we are definitely going to be back 543 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: with you in the coming weeks because that schedule comes out. 544 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: It is my favorite day of the year when I 545 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: get to scope out where we are going to be. 546 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: We already know that we're going to community in Germany, yes, 547 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: but John and I will be breaking down the Seahawks 548 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: schedule after it comes out on the next edition of 549 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: the Seahawks Insiders podcast. That is when you will hear 550 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: from us next. Thanks for listening.