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<v Speaker 2>to do is actually square the face so they'll dig

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<v Speaker 2>down underneath that bad lie and propel that ball right

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<v Speaker 2>out onto.

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<v Speaker 3>The green Here's it's a playing out of a buried

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<v Speaker 3>lion of Bunker is completely different than playing out of

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<v Speaker 3>a night and clean lion of greenside Buker.

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<v Speaker 4>You need to be aggressive on it's sitting cleanly or

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<v Speaker 4>it's Frida Egg. Well, we've all faithd it the dreaded

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<v Speaker 4>fried egg and not to be cleared, though it's actually

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<v Speaker 4>a pretty easy shock to hit.

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<v Speaker 1>It was eighteen ninety eight. Joe Mitchell was the professional

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<v Speaker 1>at a golf club in the Cleveland, Ohio area. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>a member named Coburn Haskell arrived and he handed Joe

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<v Speaker 1>a golf ball. According to an account in the BEF

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<v Speaker 1>Goodrich Company Archives, here's what happened next.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit this ball for me, mister Haskell, requested of Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>The ball looked exactly like the usual ball, the cover

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<v Speaker 3>having been pressed in the same mold, and Joe took

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<v Speaker 3>his stance and walloped it, with never a thought that

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<v Speaker 3>he was assisting at the making of history. Out across

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<v Speaker 3>the fairway of the first hole was a bunker which

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<v Speaker 3>never had been carried by anybody. It was so far

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<v Speaker 3>from the tea that only an occasional tremendous poke with

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<v Speaker 3>the old gutty would send the ball rolling into it

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<v Speaker 3>in dry weather. And it was right over the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of that bunker that Joe's drive with the new ball

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<v Speaker 3>sailed high in the air, landing yards beyond. Joe Mitchell

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<v Speaker 3>stood watching the ball with eyes and mouth wide open.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he let out a yell and began a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of dance. Then he began to implore mister Haskell to

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<v Speaker 3>tell him if he was dreaming, and if not, what

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<v Speaker 3>was in that ball?

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<v Speaker 1>What was in it was basically rubber. Here's how the

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<v Speaker 1>story usually goes. Coburn Haskell was visiting a friend at

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<v Speaker 1>the good Rich rubber factory in Akron. There, Haskell picked

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<v Speaker 1>up some elastic rubber thread, wound it around and around itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and the resulting ball bounced like a grasshopper. Haskell, who

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<v Speaker 1>was an avid golfer, had an idea. He asked the

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<v Speaker 1>factory workers to encase the ball in a layer of

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<v Speaker 1>gutter percha, and that's how in eighteen ninety eight he

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<v Speaker 1>invented the wound core golf ball. Five years later, the

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<v Speaker 1>Haskell ball had taken over the game and redefined it

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<v Speaker 1>in ways we're still arguing about today. This is Friday Stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Garrett Morrison. This episode is the second of three

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<v Speaker 1>to take a closer look at the golf ball, its design,

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<v Speaker 1>its history, and its impact on the game. Each installment

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<v Speaker 1>focuses on a different revolution in golf ball technology. Part

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<v Speaker 1>one told the story of the gut of Percha ball,

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<v Speaker 1>which changed who could play the game. Part two will

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<v Speaker 1>consider the Haskell ball, which I think changed something about

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<v Speaker 1>the very essence of golf, or at least how we

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<v Speaker 1>think and talk about it. Basically, when the Haskell arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>golf had a decision to make ban it and become

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<v Speaker 1>a game fixed in time, separate from the modern world,

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<v Speaker 1>or embrace it and become a game that accommodates science

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<v Speaker 1>and technology, that adjusts its playing fields and even its

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<v Speaker 1>rules to keep up with the times. That was the choice,

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<v Speaker 1>and the brightest minds in golf battled over it in

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<v Speaker 1>the early years of the twentyth century, and today, somehow

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<v Speaker 1>we're still having the same debate.

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<v Speaker 4>If you know something about the history, the debate today

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes lapses into verbatim verbatim sentences. I mean it literally,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Robert Crosby, a golf historian. And in this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob is my guide through the post Haskell moment, a

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<v Speaker 1>moment that in many ways created the golf world as

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<v Speaker 1>we know it now, and at the center of it

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<v Speaker 1>all was an Englishman named John Lowe.

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<v Speaker 4>John Lowe was a remarkably precocious, remarkably brass, self confident

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<v Speaker 4>Avid golfer.

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<v Speaker 1>By the mid eighteen nineties, Lowe had regular bylines in

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<v Speaker 1>golf magazines, and when the governing body of British golf,

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<v Speaker 1>the RNA, formed a rules committee in eighteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a member. Just a few years before that

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<v Speaker 1>he had been a student at Cambridge. I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that he was so young when all of this was happening.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a kid.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not just another letter in the letter box that

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<v Speaker 4>you would find reproduced and say golf illustrated. He's leading

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<v Speaker 4>the debate. He's a remarkably outgoing, very bright, incredibly articulate

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<v Speaker 4>and extraordinarily self confident for somebody his age.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen oh one, John Lowe was already a

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<v Speaker 1>prominent figure in the game. In nineteen oh one was

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<v Speaker 1>the year that the Haskell ball made its debut in Britain.

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<v Speaker 4>A couple of balls appeared and they were given to

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<v Speaker 4>Horace Hutchinson, who then gave a couple of the balls

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<v Speaker 4>to John Lowe and others of his friends, and they

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<v Speaker 4>played with it at Saint Andrew's.

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<v Speaker 1>Right away low saw that this ball was different.

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<v Speaker 4>Lowe writes about he took one of the balls and

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<v Speaker 4>dropped it on the floor and I guess the RNA clubhouse,

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<v Speaker 4>and the ball bounced over his head. It was clear

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<v Speaker 4>from the get go that it was a longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Ball, Yet neither Low nor his friends took the Haskell

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<v Speaker 1>all that seriously.

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<v Speaker 4>At first, they thought it was just a novelty.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the ball was so lively, they assumed it would

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<v Speaker 1>be harder to put and chip with.

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<v Speaker 4>It turned out that you could adjusted that pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Haskell, already popular in America, caught on like

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<v Speaker 1>wildfire in England and Scotland, so.

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<v Speaker 4>That by nineteen oh two it was played everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, John Low knew a couple of things about

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<v Speaker 1>this ball. First, it went much farther than the gutty.

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<v Speaker 4>The estimate varied from twenty yards to four yards farther,

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<v Speaker 4>But it was a ball that clearly left the club

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<v Speaker 4>face at a higher rate of speed than any gutty

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<v Speaker 4>could ever hope to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Second, and this is the most important thing, it introduced

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new method of designing a golf ball. The

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<v Speaker 1>gutty had just been a solid hunk of hardened gum.

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<v Speaker 1>Aside from experimenting with dimples, there wasn't much an inventor

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<v Speaker 1>could do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>The gutty was the gutty. It just was a technology

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<v Speaker 4>at a dead end.

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<v Speaker 1>But it soon became clear that the wound ball design

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<v Speaker 1>had opened up a new set of possibilities for the manufacturers.

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<v Speaker 4>The leap forward with the Haskell was that it had

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<v Speaker 4>a core, sometimes made of something solid, sometimes made of

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<v Speaker 4>something liquid, surrounded by a wound bands of rubber at

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<v Speaker 4>a certain tension level, and then covered by some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of rubber covering. It was a whole new kind of ball,

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<v Speaker 4>but it introduced a whole concept that there would be

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<v Speaker 4>better and better balls coming along on a fairly regular

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<v Speaker 4>basis that would be yet longer, yet more durable.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was why John Lowe became worried, so much.

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<v Speaker 4>So that low goes to the RNA Autumn meeting in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen o two and says, guys, who got this something

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<v Speaker 4>about this bomb? This is going to render obsolete the

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<v Speaker 4>best golf courses we know. The RNA responds by saying,

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<v Speaker 4>and Low thought hopefully that yeah, we'll address it at

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<v Speaker 4>the spring meeting in the nineteen oh three spring meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>In the meantime, let's do some checking and look look

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<v Speaker 4>into it and see exactly how much farther it flies,

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<v Speaker 4>Let's see what the effect is having. I'm scoring. By

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<v Speaker 4>the time of the May nineteen oh three meeting, it's

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<v Speaker 4>pretty clear to everybody that the ball is, that it

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<v Speaker 4>represents an enormous leap in ball performance, that it is

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<v Speaker 4>indeed having an effect on how golf courses are played. Nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is what angers Low, and he stays angry

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<v Speaker 4>about this for the rest of his life. Notwithstanding all

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<v Speaker 4>of that, the RNA refuses to ban it.

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<v Speaker 1>Low felt that this decision at its root was self serving.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't just that they thought the ball was okay.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't. They agreed it was a bad thing for

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<v Speaker 4>the game, But they made and this is what angered

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<v Speaker 4>Love so much. They made a decision not to ban

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<v Speaker 4>it because of its popularity, and that in turn, was

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<v Speaker 4>based I think, on fears that if they did do so,

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<v Speaker 4>no one would pay attention to them anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Haskell in effect became the new standard ball.

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<v Speaker 1>John Low was pissed, and we've already established that he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't exactly shy, so he started firing off letters to

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<v Speaker 1>magazine editors, and in his book Concerning Golf, he said

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<v Speaker 1>his colleagues in the RNA were quote, neither prompt nor

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<v Speaker 1>brave enough to carry out their own convictions.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the bete noir of so many people, the

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<v Speaker 4>target of cartoons mocked by other journalists, made fun of

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<v Speaker 4>here and there, and it didn't phase him. He just

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<v Speaker 4>marched on. He just soldiered ahead with his objections to

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<v Speaker 4>the Haskell.

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<v Speaker 1>So why did he feel so strongly about the ball? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it had to do with his overall vision of golf.

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<v Speaker 4>Lowe was concerned first and foremost to try to preserve

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<v Speaker 4>various attributes of the traditional Scottish game.

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<v Speaker 1>These attributes belonged to three main categories, the courses, the rules,

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<v Speaker 1>and the equipment. In the traditional Scottish game, as low

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<v Speaker 1>knew it, you had courses on the seaside, links, rules

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<v Speaker 1>based on the old Saint Andrew's codes, and clubs and

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<v Speaker 1>balls fashioned locally out of wood iron and got a percha.

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<v Speaker 4>Because he thought those attributes made the game the interesting

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<v Speaker 4>game that it was, and not because those attributes would

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<v Speaker 4>make it a popular game, but because those attributes had

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<v Speaker 4>intangible benefits to golfers. They tested character, They developed perseverance,

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to deal with good breaks and bad breaks,

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<v Speaker 4>which all led to higher levels of camaraderie. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a metaphysical view that saw golf as important to character

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<v Speaker 4>and absent the attributes.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the older game.

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<v Speaker 4>Low believe those benefits to character were less available. The

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<v Speaker 4>difficulty and unpredictability of the game is a feature, not

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<v Speaker 4>a problem. And for so long as people have the idea,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is a phrase that Glow returns to again

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<v Speaker 4>and again that they that they want to quote conquer golf,

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<v Speaker 4>tame golf, it's a completely incorrect mindset to bring to

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<v Speaker 4>the game. The haskell sits in the middle of all

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<v Speaker 4>of those issues. It is a way to short circuit

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<v Speaker 4>the best parts of the game by overcoming the difficulties

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<v Speaker 4>and unpredictability of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in the process of debating the Haskell ball,

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<v Speaker 1>Low articulated an entire philosophy of golf. He liked to

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<v Speaker 1>say he represented the conservative party of the game. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, conservative has a political meaning now as it

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<v Speaker 1>did then, but this is different. Low used the word literally.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to conserve the old ways of Scottish golf.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought those old ways built character, bred camaraderie and

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<v Speaker 1>were just beautiful in and of themselves. Opposed to this

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<v Speaker 1>conservative party, Lo said was the Party of Equity, which

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<v Speaker 1>he thought pandered to the masses by seeking to close

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<v Speaker 1>the gap between weak and strong players. The Party of

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<v Speaker 1>Equity thought an easier game would be a more popular game,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was why they embraced the Haskell ball. This conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>although specific to golf, had a lot to do with

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<v Speaker 1>what was going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go back to nineteen oh one nineteen oh two.

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<v Speaker 4>The Victorian age was coming to an end. The Edwardian

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<v Speaker 4>age was just a borning as they say, and Low

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<v Speaker 4>was a young man very much an at Wardian. Younger

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<v Speaker 4>men like Low, like Cold, like Fowler, like Simpson, were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to sort out a different way to think about

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<v Speaker 4>golf than their what their Victorian forebears had taught them.

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<v Speaker 1>For the Victorians, broadly speaking, golf was about fairness. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about a very public display of virtue. So to them,

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<v Speaker 1>any course design, any rule change, any new club or

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<v Speaker 1>ball that seemed to make the game more fair, more regular,

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly good. But at Wardian golfers like John Lowe

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<v Speaker 1>saw things differently.

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<v Speaker 4>It was okay to just enjoy the challenges of the game.

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<v Speaker 4>It didn't have to have a higher moral purpose, enjoy

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<v Speaker 4>the process and learn from the process, whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>it brings you, you know, gets you into heaven ultimately.

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<v Speaker 1>And Gardians made golf more about private enjoyment, private self

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<v Speaker 1>and provement.

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<v Speaker 4>And there are things that I can do that I

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<v Speaker 4>like to do, and that's okay, and that's okay, and golf,

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<v Speaker 4>for Low is that thing. It might not make for

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<v Speaker 4>better civil servants in the British Empire, but it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, fairness and public virtue were beside the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Lo saw golf as an individual, heroic adventure, and anything

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<v Speaker 1>that made the game less adventurous, easier, more predictable, more

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<v Speaker 1>under control, he tended to reject.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the key motivations for science is to take

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<v Speaker 4>control of nature. Low's concern is those people that want

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<v Speaker 4>to take control of golf. Golf is a man made thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and it can be changed if man wants to change it.

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<v Speaker 4>But if we are going to enjoy its real benefits,

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<v Speaker 4>we have to leave it where it is, in its

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<v Speaker 4>more or less traditional forms. And if that means golf

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<v Speaker 4>becomes less popular, so be it.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first decade of the twentieth century, it was

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorians versus the Edwardians, the Party of Equity versus

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<v Speaker 1>the Conservative Party, And while they all bickered, the British

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<v Speaker 1>ball manufacturers got to work.

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<v Speaker 4>By nineteen oh five nineteen oh six, a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>years after the haskell Is not banned, they're all sorts

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<v Speaker 4>of experimental balls coming out with different sorts of windings,

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<v Speaker 4>different sorts of cores. Some use mercury, some use water,

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<v Speaker 4>some all sorts of different things, virtually all of which

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<v Speaker 4>didn't really pan out as advertised. But there was this

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<v Speaker 4>wild experimentation going on. If you go into some of

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<v Speaker 4>the British newspapers between nineteen oh five and nineteen eleven

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<v Speaker 4>or twelve or so, the advertisements for golf balls are fascinated.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they're making all kinds of wild claim.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some examples that you can think of?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, just you know, our golf ball will

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<v Speaker 4>go much farther, last longer and staying round longer than

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<v Speaker 4>the haschol You know, extraordinary links, you know, the usual

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<v Speaker 4>advertising burgs you and I can sort of make up

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<v Speaker 4>here on the spot are all for the first time

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<v Speaker 4>being promulgated by golf ball manufacturers.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't just marketing, There were some real advances

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<v Speaker 1>in technology happening.

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<v Speaker 4>The ball was getting longer and longer again because there

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<v Speaker 4>were simply no rules and why not try something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet by the end of the decade, a funny thing

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. A lot. More golfers had come to agree

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<v Speaker 1>with John Lowe that something needed to be done about

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. This was partly because more edward ends had

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<v Speaker 1>come of age, and it was partly because the so

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<v Speaker 1>called Conservative Party had a number of eloquent supporters in

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<v Speaker 1>the press, including perhaps the greatest golf writer of all

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<v Speaker 1>time in Bernard Darwin. But most it had just become

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<v Speaker 1>obvious to everyone that the rubber wound core ball did

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<v Speaker 1>go farther and it was changing the game.

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<v Speaker 4>As far as I know, every open venue made substantial

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<v Speaker 4>additions to its length between say, nineteen oh five and

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen ten. They had no choice, They really had no choice,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a shadow that hung over the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Golf courses couldn't be sure at any point in time

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<v Speaker 4>that they weren't going to have to undergo yet further

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<v Speaker 4>major changes to match up with the golf ball.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was how something like a consensus started to form.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody can deny that the new balls are really affecting

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<v Speaker 4>golf courses. It's just in front of your face. Don't

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<v Speaker 4>even begin to tell me it hasn't had an affecting

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<v Speaker 4>golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirteen, John mow became chairman of the RNA

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<v Speaker 1>Rules Committee. The stage was set. The RNA and USGA

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<v Speaker 1>were in touch, Various standards were being discussed, and the

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<v Speaker 1>passing of the first ball rule in golf history seemed imminent.

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<v Speaker 4>And then World War One hits and everything comes to

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<v Speaker 4>a screech and hall.

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<v Speaker 1>World War One brought devastation on a scale that Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>could scarcely understand on the Western Front, trench warfare rage

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<v Speaker 1>for four years. Obviously, no one was really thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>golf at the time. Well, John Lowe sort of was.

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<v Speaker 4>Even though normal functions that the RNA were shut down

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<v Speaker 4>during World War One, low kept discussions of the ball

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<v Speaker 4>alive among members of the Rules Committee.

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<v Speaker 5>Wouldn't let it go.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a few basic proposals on the table. J. H.

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<v Speaker 4>Taylor h and Harold Hilton had an idea that what

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<v Speaker 4>we ought to do is licensed ball manufacturers and as

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<v Speaker 4>a condition to them making approved balls, we can inspect

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<v Speaker 4>your factories to see how they make balls. That sort

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<v Speaker 4>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a strict sort of regulation, giving the

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<v Speaker 1>governing bodies direct control over all aspects of the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>including its design and material composition. Not a popular idea

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<v Speaker 1>among manufacturers. Other proposals were less stringent.

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<v Speaker 4>Willie Parker was among the first to suggest the idea

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<v Speaker 4>that we limit balls by limiting its weight and size.

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<v Speaker 4>In other words, it can't weigh more than x or

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<v Speaker 4>have a diameter of less than X.

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<v Speaker 1>This would qualify as regulation, but it would also give

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers plenty of room to innovate. For John Lowe's part,

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<v Speaker 1>he was frustrated that no one seemed to want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the gutty, so he came up with

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<v Speaker 1>an alternative, the floater.

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<v Speaker 4>The ball that floats, easy standard to implement and enforce.

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<v Speaker 4>Does it float.

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<v Speaker 1>The floater did gain support among those fellow conservatives, but

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<v Speaker 1>the problem was most golfers liked what the round ball

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<v Speaker 1>did for them, and they knew that any ball that

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<v Speaker 1>could float had no chance of beating the Haskell. The

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<v Speaker 1>floater would effectively be a rollback to the gutty, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was where things stood. When the war ended in

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen. The next year, the Daily Mail newspaper sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>a tournament at Saint Andrews that came to be known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Substitute Open. There, the ball issue took on

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<v Speaker 1>some extra urgency.

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<v Speaker 4>People were hitting the golf ball distances they had never

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<v Speaker 4>seen before. People were hitting the fourteenth hole, the long

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<v Speaker 4>hold at the old course with a driver and a

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<v Speaker 4>seven iron. They were chipping onto the seventeenth holl for

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<v Speaker 4>their second shots. People were shocked, stunned.

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<v Speaker 1>So as soon as the RNA opened back up, John

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<v Speaker 1>Lowe was ready.

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<v Speaker 4>He was able to present to them a subcommittee that

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<v Speaker 4>he had formed to investigate ball regulation, named the committee

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<v Speaker 4>members and said, we're going to contact the USGA, ball

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<v Speaker 4>manufacturers in the British PGA and get everybody on board.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's exactly what they did. Immediately, the USGA writes back,

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<v Speaker 4>says we're with you on this, buddy. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Something's got to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>But it turned out that other US golf organizations were

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<v Speaker 1>less enthusiastic.

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<v Speaker 4>The Western Golf Association and the USPGA oppose any ball

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<v Speaker 4>rules at all. Nothing we want nothing. We want pure

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<v Speaker 4>libertarian golf. I can play with any ball I want

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<v Speaker 4>to play with. Get out of my face.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen twenty, the USGA traveled to Mierfield for

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<v Speaker 1>a summit with the RNA, and the American delegates had

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<v Speaker 1>bad news for John Lowe.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't do the floater. If you're going to do

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<v Speaker 4>the floater, we're out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Keep in mind, at this point, Lowe was about

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years old. He was no longer an upstart firebrand.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an elder statesman, maybe a little gentler, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little more diplomatic. So he decided to compromise on

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<v Speaker 1>the ball role At Mierfield, the RNA and USGA agreed

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate size and weight a minimum diameter of one

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<v Speaker 1>point sixty two inches and a maximum weight of one

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<v Speaker 1>point sixty two ounces, which was approximately the size and

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<v Speaker 1>weight of the best performing balls of the time.

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<v Speaker 4>But low thought, well, I was defeated on the floater,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's a disappointment. But I got a rule, and

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<v Speaker 4>that rule ought to be able to shield us from

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<v Speaker 4>further ball improvements down the line, and I'll count that

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<v Speaker 4>as a victory.

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<v Speaker 1>That was May nineteen twenty, Just a few months later,

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<v Speaker 1>before the rule even went into effect, the ball manufacturers

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<v Speaker 1>had a surprise, they came out with prototype balls that

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<v Speaker 1>fit the new specifications.

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<v Speaker 4>It turned out the prototype balls went farther than the

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<v Speaker 4>older ball, and everybody was in shock, absolute shock. Jaje

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<v Speaker 4>Taylor says, Load, my girlfriend, Load, you really screwed this up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just a big miss.

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<v Speaker 1>To this day, nobody knows exactly how the manufacturers did it.

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<v Speaker 4>The theory is that they made the windings were tighter,

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<v Speaker 4>there was a slightly thinner cover, that the core was

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<v Speaker 4>made out of some sort of liquid know one. Loan

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<v Speaker 4>never could figure out what they did. He was deeply

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<v Speaker 4>frustrated by I think he felt betrayed by the manufacturers

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<v Speaker 4>because they had been in close consultation with him up

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<v Speaker 4>to the ball rule, and I think he felt backsided

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<v Speaker 4>by them. I suspect, Garrett, this is rank speculation that

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<v Speaker 4>the manufacturers got together and talked about it and they

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<v Speaker 4>shared ideas. Their response to the ball rule was nothing

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<v Speaker 4>short of glee. They loved it. Essentially, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>to change anything on their manufacturing lines. And I also

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<v Speaker 4>suspect they knew in the back of their mind ways

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<v Speaker 4>to get around it, and lo and behold, that's exactly

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<v Speaker 4>what they did. Almost immediately, so they were ready. They

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<v Speaker 4>were just, but they had big I assumed they had

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<v Speaker 4>a round of drinks and their officers.

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<v Speaker 1>The events of nineteen twenty made a few things very clear. One,

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<v Speaker 1>if you regulate just the size and weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>ball instead of what it's made of, you're not doing much.

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<v Speaker 4>If you give the manufacturer a max men limit, he's

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<v Speaker 4>going to push it in ways that pikers like you

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<v Speaker 4>and I can never imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>Two.

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<v Speaker 1>The new rule didn't settle the ball issue. It did

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite. It ensured that the debate would continue.

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<v Speaker 4>That that wrestling men. It took a war. That wrestling

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<v Speaker 4>match between the ingenuity of the manufacturers and the rule

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<v Speaker 4>makers in the game is very much still with us.

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<v Speaker 1>And Three, golf itself would not be what John Low envisioned.

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<v Speaker 1>It would not be an island in time. Instead, golf

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<v Speaker 1>would change as the world changed, and whatever the current

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<v Speaker 1>science was, the game would that it.

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<v Speaker 6>But so the origin story is I was at a

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<v Speaker 6>golf outing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Brett sergallis the author of Golf's Holy War, The

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<v Speaker 1>Battle for the Soul of a Game in an Age

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<v Speaker 1>of Science. He's telling me how he came up with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea for the book, you're.

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<v Speaker 6>On the potting green, you're hitting balls, you're eating like

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<v Speaker 6>a box lunch of sliced apples, you know. And there

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<v Speaker 6>was a guy named Skip Latella who was giving a

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<v Speaker 6>lesson on the range. It was giving a demonstration. He

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<v Speaker 6>was using these things called flex sword discs, which are

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<v Speaker 6>like these hard rubber things, almost familiar now, where a

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<v Speaker 6>student was standing on them, and he was kind of

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<v Speaker 6>teaching the student how to move, and it didn't seem

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<v Speaker 6>very interesting at all. And then Skip said, by her

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<v Speaker 6>standing on these flex sor discs, she was innervating her

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<v Speaker 6>deep muscle tissue, which was opening up the communication between

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<v Speaker 6>the neurotransmitters neurotransmitters in her brain and her muscles, and

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<v Speaker 6>so he was teaching her to relearn a complex motor pattern. Subconsciously,

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<v Speaker 6>I for some reason, I was paying attention, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, what the hell did that guy just say.

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<v Speaker 1>This was two thousand and eight. Brett was a young

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<v Speaker 1>reporter at the New York Post. He had played golf

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<v Speaker 1>in high school but hadn't really kept track of the game.

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<v Speaker 6>I still had my DCI irons and like my old

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<v Speaker 6>nine to seventy five d driver, I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 6>exactly too much about the cutting edge of the game.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was like, well, what has happened to golf

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<v Speaker 6>in this time where I haven't been paying super close attention.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brett went up to skip Letella, the guy with

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<v Speaker 1>the flexwor.

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<v Speaker 6>Disks, and I was like, well, who uses these things?

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<v Speaker 6>Like is there a teacher that uses them? And he

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<v Speaker 6>said David Glenn's. So I went out and I spent

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<v Speaker 6>some time with David Glenn's talked to him, and he

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<v Speaker 6>had a guy down the range that was teaching named

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<v Speaker 6>Henry Ellison who was like the exact opposite. He was

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<v Speaker 6>like this spirit virtual, esoteric, like really just interesting guy.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a long relationship with technology and then he

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<v Speaker 6>had this horrible divorce with technology and ended up becoming

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<v Speaker 6>like this spiritual guy. So I was like, hey, here's

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<v Speaker 6>this conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Brett had stumbled upon a widening divide in twenty first

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<v Speaker 1>century golf, a divide between science and art, between technology

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<v Speaker 1>and spirituality, however you want to put it. And the

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<v Speaker 1>more Breton I talked, the more I was reminded of

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<v Speaker 1>the Party of Equity versus the Conservative Party, the Victorians

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<v Speaker 1>versus the Edwardians, the manufacturers versus John Low.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, it kind of represents a worldview. Do you

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<v Speaker 6>think of life as something inherently solvable? Or is their

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<v Speaker 6>inherent mystery? So how you kind of look at the

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<v Speaker 6>world then projects on how you play and think about

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<v Speaker 6>the game. How do we deal with like all of

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<v Speaker 6>this increasing technology and all of this data that's now

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<v Speaker 6>at our fingertips? You know, do we embrace science or

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<v Speaker 6>do we kind of resist technology?

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<v Speaker 1>Brett thinks these questions are especially keen for golfers.

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<v Speaker 6>You want to grab hold of something tangible and you

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<v Speaker 6>want to know that you have the answer. And golf

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<v Speaker 6>is you're constantly like there's nothing, nothing's perfect. You never

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<v Speaker 6>hit a perfect shot. It's just constantly dealing with small

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<v Speaker 6>or large amounts of failure. And how do you deal

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<v Speaker 6>with that?

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<v Speaker 1>One way to deal with it is to turn to

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<v Speaker 1>science and technology, whether that means flex or desks, track

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<v Speaker 1>man numbers, or the latest ball in a chaotic game.

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<v Speaker 1>These technological supplements give us more control, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>the promise of it.

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<v Speaker 6>It is the promise of having more control. When I

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<v Speaker 6>got fitted for my driver, you know it's adjustable because

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<v Speaker 6>every driver is now right and the fitter set it

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<v Speaker 6>to a certain setting that was optimal for me, and

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't touched it, you know, because to me it's

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<v Speaker 6>it's like, okay, well I now know what this is

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<v Speaker 6>going to do. Yeah, it's definitely there's definitely a feeling

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<v Speaker 6>of more control. There's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we know John Low well enough at this point

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<v Speaker 1>to have an idea of what he would say here.

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<v Speaker 1>Golf should be unpredictable, uncontrollable, and if there is control,

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<v Speaker 1>the players, not the implements, should be the agents of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Brett does kind of agree with that view.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, the equipment's made it a little less interesting

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<v Speaker 6>to watch at the pro level because the bad shots

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<v Speaker 6>are not as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But he agrees with it only to a point.

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<v Speaker 6>Am I going to give up my four sixty cc driver?

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<v Speaker 6>Am I giving? Am I going to give up control?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>In this way. Brett is like a lot of golfers,

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<v Speaker 1>both now and one hundred years ago. He sees that

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<v Speaker 1>equipment advances haven't all been positive, but he just can't

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<v Speaker 1>get behind the idea of a rollback.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's it's a nice idea. But it's it's impractical.

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<v Speaker 6>It's good to think about. It's like a thought practice

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<v Speaker 6>it's not going to happen, you know, So it's cool

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<v Speaker 6>to like like it's like the guys that go out

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<v Speaker 6>and where and wear plus fours and play with hickory.

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<v Speaker 6>Cool like great, Go have fun, Go play from the front,

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<v Speaker 6>Go play Marion from the fronties with Hickory.

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<v Speaker 5>Awesome. That's not going to happen every day, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just it's it's over.

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<v Speaker 6>Equipment has gotten to the point where it is and

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<v Speaker 6>it's not going to go backwards. So I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>that's the answer. It's it's romantic bordering on delusional in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of practically working, the answer lies and how do

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<v Speaker 6>we deal with what we have right now? Because that's practice,

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<v Speaker 6>that's the practical situation of the game. Gotcha, Sorry, I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't even know like crush that romantic idea, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Fiddle with some of the vocabulary and we could have

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<v Speaker 1>had the same conversation at Mierfield in nineteen twenty, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>with John Lowe sitting nearby stewing. Yet some things have

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<v Speaker 1>changed since nineteen twenty, and the way we talk about golf,

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<v Speaker 1>for one, thing. Professional golfers have far more of a

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<v Speaker 1>voice now, and generally speaking, they side with the Victorians.

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<v Speaker 4>The dominance of professional players over the culture of the

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<v Speaker 4>game is now almost complete.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Bob Crosby. Again, you've probably figured this out, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's an Edwardian.

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<v Speaker 4>If you are playing golf in order to put food

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<v Speaker 4>on the table for your family, you will have a

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<v Speaker 4>very very different concept of how golf ought to operate

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<v Speaker 4>as a sport than if you are playing it as

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<v Speaker 4>an amateur then playing it for pleasure or playing it

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<v Speaker 4>because it's interesting and challenging. Between those two then diagrams,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a very little overlap.

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<v Speaker 1>And today the Party of Equity has pushed the Conservative

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<v Speaker 1>Party to the margins of golf, and we're all more

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<v Speaker 1>or less having the same debate we did in the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundreds, but with one big difference.

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<v Speaker 4>The difference, and I mean this to be controversial. The

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<v Speaker 4>difference is that decide defending the conservative view of the

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<v Speaker 4>game during those first two decades of the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 4>was far more articulate and effective in making the case

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<v Speaker 4>for conservatism than the Conservatives have been today. There is

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<v Speaker 4>no one alive today that writes as well as Bernard Darwin,

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<v Speaker 4>John Lowe, Tom Simpson. That bothers me. If you want

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<v Speaker 4>to defend the conservative view of golf today, the place

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<v Speaker 4>to go learn how best to do that is we

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<v Speaker 4>read stuff from nineteen ten.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something sad about that.

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<v Speaker 4>There's something very sad about but there you are. You

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<v Speaker 4>can't do much better, So borrow steel whatever you have

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<v Speaker 4>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, how about we borrow a little John

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<v Speaker 1>low Towards the end of our conversation, I asked Bob

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<v Speaker 1>to read me the final paragraph of Lowe's nineteen twelve

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<v Speaker 1>essay Golf and the Man.

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<v Speaker 4>What we desire to see is that men should act

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<v Speaker 4>nobly and chivalrously by the game, having no regard for

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<v Speaker 4>any little chance or trick which may give them an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity for personal display or game. They must love the game,

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<v Speaker 4>but love it honorably. Man must continue to fight his battle,

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<v Speaker 4>and fight it bravely, but golf must remain unconquerable. Golf

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<v Speaker 4>and the Man is It is a deeply philosophical look

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<v Speaker 4>into what what golf is? What constitutes golf? What are

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<v Speaker 4>the constituent parts which, if removed, it ceases to be

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<v Speaker 4>the same thing? I think he would say, there are

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<v Speaker 4>three legs to that school. One are is the design

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<v Speaker 4>of golf courses. That's what we play on, the rules

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<v Speaker 4>we play under, and the kind of implements we play with.

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<v Speaker 4>Any sort of material change to any of those changes

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<v Speaker 4>the nature of the game itself, it becomes something else.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what he was concerned over the course of his

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<v Speaker 4>career in protecting I think at the end of the

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<v Speaker 4>day he was reasonably successful with the rules and reasonably

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<v Speaker 4>successful with golf architecture. His influence continues today in the

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<v Speaker 4>sense that we still look back to older Saint Andrew's

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<v Speaker 4>traditions for both of those. I think he probably would

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<v Speaker 4>feel today he'd lost on the ballf ask the ontological

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<v Speaker 4>question what is golf? And he had the answers.

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<v Speaker 1>John Lowe's defeat on the ball front set the terms

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<v Speaker 1>for the modern game. As long as the ball was

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<v Speaker 1>a certain size and weight, it could be made of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It could even be made of space age plastics. That's

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<v Speaker 1>next on Friday egg Stories. This was the sixth episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Frida egg Stories and the second installment of our

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<v Speaker 1>Ball series. It was produced and hosted by me Garrett

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<v Speaker 1>Morrison and was edited and engineered by Jay Vierick. Our

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<v Speaker 1>executive producer is Andy Johnson. Many thanks to Bob Crosby

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<v Speaker 1>and Brett Sir Gallis. Brett's book once again is called

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<v Speaker 1>Golf's Holy War, and Bob's essays can be found in

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<v Speaker 1>the Journal through the Green check out the links in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes and thanks for listening.

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