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Speaker 1: Three and Out Podcast. Little Sunday afternoon after the Warriors

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Speaker 1: Grizzly game, the draft is concluded. Every general manager, head coach,

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Speaker 1: before we get into football really quick, I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: forever with the NFL and the NBA is the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Draymond Green a couple of years ago, and he like

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Speaker 1: pounded the table. Now the team picked him too and

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Speaker 1: liked them too. But for this guy named Jacob Evans

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Speaker 1: who ended up not being long on the team, like

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Speaker 1: he was part of the draft process. But I have

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Speaker 1: no problem having your smart players on the team that

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Speaker 1: are interested in doing stuff like that be involved. Why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you involve them? Like?

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Speaker 1: I actually think that's good business. If I was a

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Speaker 1: player and I had any inclination or any desire to

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Speaker 1: get involved after my career was done, as a front

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Speaker 1: office guy, I think the first thing you would do

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Speaker 1: is reach out to your general manager and coach and

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Speaker 1: be like, Hey, is there anything I can do? Is

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Speaker 1: there anything like you don't have that much going on

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Speaker 1: in the offseas, especially if you're a guy in your thirties,

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Speaker 1: and go, hey, I'd love to watch some guys. If

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Speaker 1: I'm a dB, I'd love to watch some dbs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey has just been watching the offensive lineman and he

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Speaker 1: loved a guy that the team loved. The guy and

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Speaker 1: they end up drafting him in the second round, And

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Speaker 1: I just I think that's pretty cool, just like I

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Speaker 1: thought Draymond when he went to the draft room and

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Speaker 1: help them. Guy, that's cool. Why guys passionate about the sport?

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Speaker 1: These guys are smart football players, smart basketball player, smart whatever.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you not involve them if they wanted in?

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Speaker 1: And I just you watched Jason Kelsey talk and honestly,

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Speaker 1: I saw some other clips of him talking about guys

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Speaker 1: that were drafted to other teams that he had evaluated.

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Speaker 1: He talked just like a general manager. And I said,

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Speaker 1: and he'll have opportunities to do television. Not everyone is

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Speaker 1: meant to be a TV personality. Now, Kelsey, I would say,

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Speaker 1: is a lot different like Jason Witten. I mean, Kelsey

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Speaker 1: is a big personality. He could easily do media stuff. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I actually told Coward a while back, I'm like, if

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Speaker 1: you ever want something football wise like you got with Draymond,

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Speaker 1: I would be all over the Kelsey brothers because they're

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Speaker 1: huge personalities, their genius football players, and they're they're just

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Speaker 1: they're unique that they they're very, very unique, and like

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Speaker 1: part of Jason Witten, was like, you know, I just

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Speaker 1: you're not a media guy. You should be working for

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Speaker 1: a team, And I think that's what he does now,

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Speaker 1: you know, I thought the same thing with Drew Brees. Like,

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Speaker 1: to me, Drew Brees is just he should probably be

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Speaker 1: a general manager or a team president. Like not everyone's

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Speaker 1: meant to be Pat McAfee. Some guys are meant to

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Speaker 1: work in the front office like they should have. Like

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees clearly has elite football skills and a eleat

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Speaker 1: football knowledge and understanding of the sport. I actually think

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Speaker 1: he goes to waste on television because he's just he

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Speaker 1: just kind of blaw. You know. It's It's not like

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Speaker 1: to me, Philip Rivers could do whatever he wanted. He

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Speaker 1: could coach a team, he could run a team, and

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Speaker 1: he could be a TV guy. Peyton, same thing. Peyton

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Speaker 1: just Peyton does anything. Not everyone is wired like that,

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Speaker 1: Not everyone has those skills, but all the smart athletes

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Speaker 1: who play in a have a long career can help

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Speaker 1: you out as an evaluator. Because I saw Sirianni say this, like,

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey is a huge part of our weekly game plans.

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Speaker 1: Why would I not ask Jason, like what do you

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Speaker 1: think about this blitz? What do you think about this protection?

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I ask him, like, what do you think

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Speaker 1: about this player? Honestly, if I was the Eagles, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it'd be crazy to have Jason Kelsey evaluate

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. I mean he evaluates the every every week

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Speaker 1: during the fall for the last fourteen years or third

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Speaker 1: however long he's been in the NFL. So I I

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Speaker 1: think it's very very smart to utilize guys that want

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Speaker 1: to be utilized. Now part of it. As a player,

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Speaker 1: you have to reach out and it's got to be

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Speaker 1: something you want to do. Like I don't think necessarily

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Speaker 1: teams are gonna just go to players, but it's probably

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Speaker 1: an underutilized resource, and I would imagine more and more

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Speaker 1: smart teams UH attempt to do that moving forward. Now

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Speaker 1: that Jason Kelsey left the cat out of the bag

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Speaker 1: that he's basically the assistant college director for the Eagles. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey stood. If you told me, honestly, if you told

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Speaker 1: me Kelsey is like assistant GM in five years after

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Speaker 1: he retires, I would believe you. And these guys, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you have any desire to do that, you can

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Speaker 1: fire up the rankings. I mean fast, because most guys

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Speaker 1: don't have to look at John Lynch. You know, John

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Speaker 1: Lynch was a guy who was a solid broadcaster, but

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Speaker 1: I would put him closer to the wint and he's

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Speaker 1: better than Jason Witten for sure. But he had the

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Speaker 1: he had the itch. He wanted the juice of being

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Speaker 1: in the fire, being in the trenches where you win

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Speaker 1: or lose. You know, honestly, I've I haven't missed that

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Speaker 1: one day in my life since I've left. I enjoy

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Speaker 1: doing this infinitely more. And I was pretty good, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it wasn't bad, but I'm better at

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Speaker 1: this and I'm more passionate about this. I enjoy doing

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Speaker 1: this more and part of it. There are business elements

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Speaker 1: of this that never would have been involved, as you know,

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Speaker 1: if I would have kept scouting. But some guys. That's

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Speaker 1: why I have so much admiration for John Lynch. He's rich,

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Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer, yet he's evaluating like six rounders,

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Speaker 1: you know, boring that is. I saw Kyle say in

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Speaker 1: his press conference. He's like, thank I have to watching

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Speaker 1: him more. Up College film until next February. A lot

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Speaker 1: of coaches feel like that Lynch is just a junkie,

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Speaker 1: you know, and Kelsey's clearly just a junkie. Some guys

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Speaker 1: just Philip Rivers like he just wanted to be a

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Speaker 1: high school coach, wanted to be high school coach. Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 1: just a football junkie. And when you when you are that,

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Speaker 1: I think you're wasted in this space. I think you

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Speaker 1: belong on the inside, in the trenches of the sport,

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Speaker 1: adding to the competition. And uh, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey is gonna be He has future executive written

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Speaker 1: all over him if that's what he wants to do,

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Speaker 1: and I hope he does that. I'm rooting for him

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Speaker 1: to do that. Um, I'll have another podcast come out Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: and uh and yeah, we'll just we'll keep rocking and rolling.

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