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Speaker 2: Johnson tries to hide his boner, and the end of
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Speaker 2: It can, So let's get into another installment of Trump
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Speaker 2: Last week, Donald Trump made his insane yet predictable pick
Speaker 2: for Attorney General, Matt Gates, Florida Congressman and if wrap
Speaker 2: around Shades were a person. Critics have been asking does
Speaker 2: Matt Gates know enough about the law to be Attorney General?
Speaker 2: And every day we're learning that he has lots of
Speaker 2: experience with some laws.
Speaker 5: CBS News has learned that two women told the House
Speaker 5: Ethics Committee they were paid to have sex with Gates
Speaker 5: and to travel with him on multiple occasions. One also
Speaker 5: says that she saw Gates having sex with a minor
Speaker 5: she observed.
Speaker 6: To a Rite representative, Gates having sex with her friend
Speaker 6: who was seventeen at the time.
Speaker 2: Your future Attorney general. Everyone it's always the people you
Speaker 2: most expect. And if you're wondering how they found out,
Speaker 2: it's a case of he said, she said.
Speaker 3: He has a paper trail the committee.
Speaker 7: He has Gates his Venmo and PayPal transactions that allegedly
Speaker 7: show payments for sex and text messages where he refers
Speaker 7: to illegal drugs in code words.
Speaker 6: Representative Gates would use terms like can you make sure
Speaker 6: that they're party favors present? Or who's in charge of
Speaker 6: the party favors?
Speaker 3: Party favors?
Speaker 2: Clever can't crack that code? And they said he paid
Speaker 2: for sex with Venmo? Has this guy ever heard of cash?
Speaker 2: Come on at the bare minimum? And Attorney General should
Speaker 2: know how to cover up his own crimes. Now, according
Speaker 2: to this lawyer, it wasn't all just sex and drugs.
Speaker 2: There was also THEATA.
Speaker 8: The lawyer claims. In twenty nineteen, then Congressman Gates paid
Speaker 8: the women to travel to New York to watch his
Speaker 8: appearance on Fox News, attend the Broadway show Pretty Woman,
Speaker 8: and have sex with.
Speaker 2: Him, taking two prostitutes to see Pretty Woman A little
Speaker 2: on the nose, wasn't it I guess high school musical.
Speaker 3: Was sold out.
Speaker 2: But the worst part is that he apparently took them
Speaker 2: to watch him on Fox News. God, I hope they
Speaker 2: charged him extra for that. It's one thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: butt stuff and two thousand if I have to look.
Speaker 3: At brit Hume.
Speaker 2: Now, the House Ethics Committee looked into all these allegations,
Speaker 2: but there's a debate about whether they should still release
Speaker 2: its report now that Gate Gates has left Congress. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: for Gates, the Speaker of the House took office with
Speaker 2: a very very clear philosophy.
Speaker 9: My office is going to be known for trust and
Speaker 9: transparency and accountability.
Speaker 3: Transparency, Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: Here is a guy who understands how important it is
Speaker 2: that people hear the truth about their next attorney general.
Speaker 3: So Mike Johnson hand over the report.
Speaker 9: Speaker Mike Johnson says the report should stay sealed. That
Speaker 9: I would be concerned about hoping that the indoors box of
Speaker 9: saying that House Ethics Committee, with.
Speaker 4: Its fatory doors unlimited power.
Speaker 9: Could investigate private citizens and release.
Speaker 6: Reports about him.
Speaker 2: Mike Johnson, Seriously, your argument is that if they can
Speaker 2: investigate Matt Gates for having sex with an underage girl,
Speaker 2: then they can investigate anyone for having sex with an
Speaker 2: underage girl.
Speaker 3: And is that really what we want as a country? Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: we want that.
Speaker 9: We want that, that is what we want.
Speaker 2: Also, you're violating your principle of transparency to defend the
Speaker 2: guy accused of.
Speaker 3: Throwing sex parties.
Speaker 2: You a man who wears a blindfold during sex so
Speaker 2: that he doesn't accidentally see his own penis what are
Speaker 2: you so worried.
Speaker 9: About with regard to the report. There's a very important
Speaker 9: reason for the tradition and the rule that we always
Speaker 9: have almost always followed, and that is that we don't
Speaker 9: issue investigations and ethics reports on people who are not
Speaker 9: members of Congress.
Speaker 3: Okay, is it me? Or did that almost seem like
Speaker 3: a tell? What was that about?
Speaker 10: So he's able to be a terrible precedent to release
Speaker 10: this report, he's warning against it after a member steps down,
Speaker 10: but keeping him honest. The House Ethics Committee has done
Speaker 10: this before, most notably in a financial impropriety case for
Speaker 10: former Tennessee Congressman Bill Boner, who left the House to
Speaker 10: become mayor of Nashville.
Speaker 3: Yep, that is right.
Speaker 2: There is precedent for releasing an ethics report because of
Speaker 2: a guy named Bill Boner, not to be confused with
Speaker 2: Boner Bill, which is what Matt Gates Venmo's at the
Speaker 2: end of a sex party.
Speaker 3: Bill Boner had.
Speaker 2: An ethics scandal in the quaint scandal days when your
Speaker 2: scandals were financial and not pubescent. And after finding that
Speaker 2: out about him, forgive me, but I went down a
Speaker 2: bit of a Boner hole. I discovered some old news
Speaker 2: clips that after leaving Congress, Bill Boner did some amazing
Speaker 2: work as the mayor of Nashville.
Speaker 7: You might not recognize this man who called himself Bob
Speaker 7: until he removed his disguise. Then you know it's Mayor
Speaker 7: Bill Boner. And the disgust was worn when he went
Speaker 7: undercover last April to buy illegal drugs and to learn
Speaker 7: just how bad drug trafficking is on Nashville streets.
Speaker 2: Impressive disguise usually just hide a Boner with a math textbook.
Speaker 3: But you got to give Boner a hand because it worked.
Speaker 7: These are pictures of the drug transaction in which Boner
Speaker 7: bought forty dollars worth of cocaine in northeast Nineville.
Speaker 4: One of the guys that we bought from was a
Speaker 4: boy the name of Big Daddy.
Speaker 7: One big Daddy may be out of the drug selling
Speaker 7: business in Nyeville, but if these bumper stickers that are
Speaker 7: going around are in the indication, there may be other
Speaker 7: big daddies in town.
Speaker 2: It's good, it's good, But I think there's one thing
Speaker 2: that bumper sticker needs. Yeah, there you go, foolproof. But
Speaker 2: why did I spend you and a half minutes talking
Speaker 2: about Bill Boner?
Speaker 3: Because it's a fun little escape.
Speaker 2: Yes, but also this is the precedent Mike Johnson can
Speaker 2: have to release the House Ethics Report. So Johnson, listen
Speaker 2: up in times of need.
Speaker 3: Look to Boner for more.
Speaker 2: On this debate on whether to release the House Ethics Report.
Speaker 3: Let's go to Capitol Hill with Ronnie Chang.
Speaker 2: Ronnie Mike Johnson claims that if the Ethics Committee releases
Speaker 2: the Gates reports, then they could dig up any dirt
Speaker 2: on any private citizen.
Speaker 3: Isn't that a ridiculous argument?
Speaker 11: Uh no, he's absolutely right. We should leave mac Gates alone.
Speaker 11: Back to you, DESI.
Speaker 2: What, No, why would we leave this alone? Gates is
Speaker 2: a public official accused of going to underage sex parties.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so so what Yeah?
Speaker 12: What?
Speaker 11: They're gonna investigate every party. Now, it's a slippery slope. Okay,
Speaker 11: Like what so no one's allowed to get together with
Speaker 11: friends and get a little wasted and have an argument
Speaker 11: that gets out of hand.
Speaker 4: Well I barely pushed him.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: I'm talking about precedent.
Speaker 11: Okay, today's Mac Gates and then tomorrow they're gonna go
Speaker 11: after innocent civilians outside of forests and New Jersey on
Speaker 11: a Saturday night.
Speaker 4: We're totally innocent.
Speaker 3: You said innocent twice, New Jersey. You're being weird.
Speaker 1: No, you're being weird.
Speaker 11: Everything's fine, all right, Well, well.
Speaker 2: Let's get some additional recording from Josh Johnson.
Speaker 3: Josh, what didn't you tell us?
Speaker 4: Huh? Tell you what?
Speaker 12: I didn't say anything. You know, I wasn't even with
Speaker 12: Ronnie in that force.
Speaker 2: No, Josh, I want to know what the Justice Department
Speaker 2: officials are thinking.
Speaker 11: Oh, right, right, right, right right?
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, I spoke to multiple people inside the Justice
Speaker 12: Department and they have no idea we were even near
Speaker 12: that force.
Speaker 4: So it's all good.
Speaker 2: No, no, Matt Gates. What are they saying about Gates?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 12: Department officials are nervous about sex offender representing them and
Speaker 12: that's bad. And it was a long time ago, just
Speaker 12: like Saturday night was also a long time The god
Speaker 12: best to just leave both things alone.
Speaker 4: Back to you, Daisy.
Speaker 3: Wait, wait, what is going on with you? Guys?
Speaker 2: You were in a forest together in New Jersey last Saturday.
Speaker 12: No, no, of course, not absolutely not. We weren't bearing
Speaker 12: anybody in a forest. I don't even own a shovel.
Speaker 4: Jos, shut the off. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm so scared.
Speaker 12: I'm gonna throw up.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to suspect that something's going on here. Let
Speaker 2: me let me just go out to Grace cool and Schmidt.
Speaker 3: Grace, Grace, where Why.
Speaker 4: Don't you go back to the forest because I had
Speaker 4: something hit? Ain't No, wait, Grace.
Speaker 2: They have nothing, Grace, Grace, why do you have a
Speaker 2: shovel digging?
Speaker 4: Who's been digging? I didn't say anything about digging. Ronnie
Speaker 4: did most of digging. Oh God, Grace, shut the off, Grace.
Speaker 2: Guys, guys, we're gonna get to the bottom of this,
Speaker 2: but but first, I'm going to turn to Jordan Klepper
Speaker 2: for more on Gates.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 13: No no, Because Jordan, Jordan is he's he's gonna make.
Speaker 14: Cage and baby to the Bahamas.
Speaker 4: He said to tell.
Speaker 1: You he was leaving for a few days and to
Speaker 1: never contact him ever again.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know I am not stupid. I see what's
Speaker 2: going on here. Saturday night, New Jersey digging in a forest.
Speaker 3: You guys were gardening without me?
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you caught us.
Speaker 4: What's so sorry?
Speaker 8: But if you could say that you were with us
Speaker 8: until like two forty five am that night, that would
Speaker 8: be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it. Ronnie Chang, Josh Johns any great shows.
Speaker 9: That my note?
Speaker 13: How did you make drunk work for you?
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Speaker 2: My guest tonight is a bull of Sir prize winning journalist.
Speaker 2: I'm the New Yorker and producer of the new HBO
Speaker 2: documentary Surveilled. Please welcome Ronan Pharaoh man right here?
Speaker 4: Are you holding up?
Speaker 3: Oh? You know? Lots of self soothing?
Speaker 4: What did something happen?
Speaker 3: Oh? I can't remember anything in the past week.
Speaker 16: Can you do something something I could have asked or
Speaker 16: I could have talked to any number of governments?
Speaker 4: Spying on your phone?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's no telling. I'm so happy to
Speaker 2: have you here. You are incredible. You won a Pulitzer
Speaker 2: Prize for your reporting on the Me Too movement, And
Speaker 2: now you're working on this documentary Surveilled, which is terrifying mind.
Speaker 3: You and I don't I don't want to sound paranoid, but.
Speaker 4: Who's watching?
Speaker 3: Do you think we're being recorded right now?
Speaker 9: Nah?
Speaker 4: This this totally private.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, okay, good, thank god, thank god.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: It kind of shook me to my core to watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you were actually the target of covert surveillance
Speaker 2: when you were doing your reporting on Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 3: What happened? How did you know about?
Speaker 1: I was?
Speaker 16: And that was a mix of old fashioned human surveillance,
Speaker 16: like dudes staking out my apartment and some high tech.
Speaker 16: They're tracking my geolocation data through my phone. And look,
Speaker 16: that's mild stuff in comparison to the technology.
Speaker 2: Almost like they were sitting in a wet vane steak.
Speaker 16: Yeah, old gum shoes. It's this. This is scarier, more
Speaker 16: insidious stuff. Technology like Pegasus is the example we use
Speaker 16: in the film where I get cameras into where it's
Speaker 16: coded and I look at the impact on the ground
Speaker 16: around the world, where in one Western democracy after another,
Speaker 16: in Spain, Poland Greece, we're seeing this being used against
Speaker 16: political dissidents. Against activists, against journalists. So my own experience
Speaker 16: is being trailed and fearing my reporting was not going
Speaker 16: to come out because sources would be intimidated, really gave
Speaker 16: me this little window into this much larger issue where
Speaker 16: I just know that surveillance means shrinking space for democratic
Speaker 16: expression and we've all got to worry about that.
Speaker 3: And this is a growing trend.
Speaker 2: This technology is only it's becoming more and more booming
Speaker 2: as time goes on. So walk us through the process
Speaker 2: of how this type of technology works and who's using it.
Speaker 16: It's a booming, multi billion dollar industry, and the biggest
Speaker 16: companies like to claim that they sell this only to governments.
Speaker 16: So you have governments, whether they're repressive regimes in the
Speaker 16: developing world or they're Western democracies that just don't have
Speaker 16: the capacity that SAYSCIA has, that are buying this up.
Speaker 16: But the interesting thing is also United States government offices
Speaker 16: are buying this up. And actually in recent months, we
Speaker 16: saw for instance, ICE, our Immigration Enforcement agency, by a
Speaker 16: really powerful Israeli private spyware made by private company, a
Speaker 16: company called Paragon. So they've got that. Now we don't
Speaker 16: know how they're going to use that. Donald Trump is
Speaker 16: coming in, and privacy law experts and immigration lawyers I'm
Speaker 16: talking to are saying there really aren't clearly defined restraints
Speaker 16: on whether that just turns this country into an r
Speaker 16: Wellian surveillance state where any text could be a thing
Speaker 16: that gets you retaliated against, maybe if you're someone the
Speaker 16: government doesn't like, deported, if you're someone awaiting in immigration
Speaker 16: hearing this is frightening stuff that could really affect lives.
Speaker 2: There was a part of your documentary that stuck with me.
Speaker 2: You were speaking with a US government official for the
Speaker 2: State Department, and he was saying he believed very much
Speaker 2: in the use of Pegasus, and was saying it serves
Speaker 2: great purposes in terms of national security. But in the
Speaker 2: same breath he said that you cannot put the technology
Speaker 2: back in the genie bottle, and anything that can be
Speaker 2: used for nefarious reasons.
Speaker 16: Will be Look, there are legitimate law enforcement applications for
Speaker 16: this kind of tech, certainly theoretically. In practice, I've seen
Speaker 16: cases where I get the argument, but the dangers are
Speaker 16: so great it really it is a case where we
Speaker 16: can't put the genie back in And in that sense,
Speaker 16: it's like nuke's it's like any kind of weapon of
Speaker 16: mass destruction, and in fact, people at various companies that
Speaker 16: make this kind of spywer would make that comparison over
Speaker 16: and over again. Well, you know, we're just like a
Speaker 16: new kind of arms dealer. It's not our fault that
Speaker 16: there's not a Geneva convention equivalent for this kind of technology.
Speaker 16: You guys regulate it. We're just like living by the
Speaker 16: rules of the game selling this stuff. But what we
Speaker 16: see over and over again is when this crops up,
Speaker 16: like in the film, I go to Barcelona and I
Speaker 16: find a big community of politicians and activists, peaceful people
Speaker 16: who are just expressing themselves, who were spied on by
Speaker 16: the Spanish government. What we see over in over again
Speaker 16: is it's linked to violent crackdowns. In that case, there
Speaker 16: were arrests around this. We've seen more extreme cases like
Speaker 16: Pegasus was found on phones around Jamalkashogi, the journalist who
Speaker 16: was murdered in Saudi Arabia. So I think this is
Speaker 16: something where you might think to yourself, like, it's not
Speaker 16: going to affect me. What they don't want my nudes?
Speaker 16: Like what you know what is on my phone?
Speaker 2: Well that's true, no one does want and I've tried
Speaker 2: to push them on people and no one will.
Speaker 16: We are going to work on that self esteem issue.
Speaker 16: You know, you're going to get that validation, probably from
Speaker 16: a Western government that's been corrupted by surveillance technology. They
Speaker 16: will want your news.
Speaker 3: I'll take it where I can get it.
Speaker 4: But the thing is you could fall into one of
Speaker 4: these drag nets.
Speaker 16: In the film, there are just innocent bystandards we talk
Speaker 16: to who aren't political at all, and suddenly they're getting hacked,
Speaker 16: and like maybe they're a doctor and it's their patient's
Speaker 16: sensitive information and you don't know how that's going to
Speaker 16: be weaponized by people with nefarious intent. So the thing
Speaker 16: that I'm working on a new print piece on this
Speaker 16: right now for the New Yorker rite and the thing I've.
Speaker 3: Never heard of it.
Speaker 16: It's, you know, a little achieve The publication called The
Speaker 16: New Yorker an example by the way of the dying
Speaker 16: heart of journalism.
Speaker 4: Please support journalism, everyone, please.
Speaker 3: It's important right now, New York or that's great work.
Speaker 16: And I just keep getting told by experts in this technology,
Speaker 16: if our government doesn't curtail the use of this, and
Speaker 16: there's a lot of skepticism that this incoming administration.
Speaker 4: Will you won't know if you're on some target list.
Speaker 16: You won't know if your phone is being hacked or
Speaker 16: how that data is being used. So I think it's
Speaker 16: easy to see this as a distant issue, but what
Speaker 16: we're seeing around the world is it can come for anyone,
Speaker 16: and we should really worry about it because it does
Speaker 16: shrink the space for democracy. If we can't express ourselves
Speaker 16: freely without being watched, if reporters can't guard their sources
Speaker 16: at a time when Donald Trump is threatening to imprison
Speaker 16: reporters who protect their sources, if it's much harder for
Speaker 16: me to do my work, that's a much worse environment
Speaker 16: for the will of the people being expressed. So I'm
Speaker 16: hoping people see the movie and they get like, Okay,
Speaker 16: this is actually something we should freak out about a
Speaker 16: little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the love of god, watch the movie.
Speaker 16: Watch the movie, and restart your phone every day. That's
Speaker 16: one practical piece of device, because a lot of forms
Speaker 16: of this kind of spyware will be foiled by a
Speaker 16: reboot has been not You know, that seems so banal,
Speaker 16: but it really is like a good step to keep
Speaker 16: everything updated.
Speaker 4: Is the other thing that's.
Speaker 2: All so things that people can do at home. Regular
Speaker 2: citizens can do at home. Turn your phone off every day,
Speaker 2: throw your smartphone in the river and use a flip phone, put.
Speaker 4: It right in the microwave.
Speaker 16: Get that adult flip phone ready, and honestly, if you
Speaker 16: care about this issue, right to your representative, call in
Speaker 16: and say, hey, legislators, we really do need this to
Speaker 16: be regulated.
Speaker 2: There was a part in your documentary where I literally
Speaker 2: watched a guy wrap his laptop in tinfoil. Like I
Speaker 2: thought that was just something that people said, but he
Speaker 2: was literally he was rapping it like a baked potato
Speaker 2: and transporting it. Is that where we're at right now
Speaker 2: or are we going to have to start doing that?
Speaker 4: Truly, that is what activists are doing in some of
Speaker 4: these places. Now.
Speaker 16: You know, experts vary on exactly how effective the whole
Speaker 16: tinfoil approaches. I'm not saying you can really rely on
Speaker 16: that for security. We need better policies, not just better tinfoil.
Speaker 16: Right that said, you know, it is supposed to theoretically
Speaker 16: create a faraday cage like you get in an elevator
Speaker 16: when you lose reception. And in that case in the film,
Speaker 16: there are these investigators racing to find a live example
Speaker 16: of an infection so they can reverse engineer this particular
Speaker 16: kind of spyware, and it did actually work. They were
Speaker 16: able to get the data off that laptop and engineer
Speaker 16: a patch to foil that spyware company, at least momentarily incredible.
Speaker 2: There is this sort of prevailing attitude in America of
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm not doing anything wrong, who cares.
Speaker 3: If I'm being spied on?
Speaker 2: What's misguided about Americans having that attitude?
Speaker 16: Well, like we just talked about, this is a set
Speaker 16: of policies that affect all.
Speaker 4: Of our rights.
Speaker 16: The moment that journalists can't do their work without their
Speaker 16: sources and the government being exposed. You wouldn't have the
Speaker 16: Pentagon papers, you know, you wouldn't have Watergate. The moment
Speaker 16: activists can't say hey, I object to a policy without
Speaker 16: potentially being spied on like they have been in a
Speaker 16: lot of these Western democracies. I look at in my
Speaker 16: print reporting and in this film, you don't have descent
Speaker 16: and you have authoritarians with a firmer grip on power.
Speaker 16: So regardless of what side of the aisle you're on,
Speaker 16: you should want dissent and the ability to resist freely
Speaker 16: without interference. That's born of surveillance. And we've just seen
Speaker 16: the story over and over again when this technology encroaches,
Speaker 16: it's not fine.
Speaker 4: It's not just your nudes, it's your safety.
Speaker 16: People are getting targeted and they're getting hurt, and discourse
Speaker 16: evaporates really rapidly.
Speaker 2: You are doing such important, brave work. I can't even
Speaker 2: imagine the level of stress that you must experience day
Speaker 2: in and day out. What do you do to escape
Speaker 2: to like take care of yourself? Do you binge watch
Speaker 2: old episodes of West Wing?
Speaker 4: Or what do you do?
Speaker 16: Just throwing that phone right in the river like you propose,
Speaker 16: get that Meddle and Hathaway end of Devilaware's product moment
Speaker 16: in the Fountain.
Speaker 4: I wish sometimes, but you know, I'm.
Speaker 16: Really proud to be able to do the work of
Speaker 16: journalism at a time like this, when we have a
Speaker 16: leader coming in who has threatened to lock up journalists
Speaker 16: who don't reveal sources. We need journalists who won't reveal sources,
Speaker 16: and we need sources who.
Speaker 4: Will continue to build.
Speaker 16: And I'm very lucky, you know, I write for a
Speaker 16: place that believes in that, that supports that. You know,
Speaker 16: HBO is putting out this documentary, so there are still
Speaker 16: people telling these stories. Yeah, and I want to be
Speaker 16: a part of that. And you know, to de stress,
Speaker 16: I'll just have to play a lot of Mario Kart.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go, as we have. Well, we are
Speaker 2: so incredibly grateful for your work. Thank you for all
Speaker 2: that you do. We are beyond grateful. Thank you, thank you, thank.
Speaker 4: You, everybody you will.
Speaker 2: Documentary prevailed to us November twentieth on HBO, And that thrownan.
Speaker 3: Right moment. Then can Trump what happens if he loses Gates?
Speaker 3: Does it doesn't leave a stick?
Speaker 18: I don't think so. And I also don't think Gates
Speaker 18: doesn't get it because of a sex scandal. I think Gates,
Speaker 18: for stiff specifically, doesn't get this because he's an assholder
Speaker 18: people and people in the Senate don't like him.
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