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Speaker 1: nice to Thanksgiving off also selfish? Well yeah, no, it
Speaker 1: is totally selfish. It is on my bucket list to
Speaker 1: go to the Iron Bowl Alabama auverge. This is what
Speaker 1: is like the only way I'll ever be able.
Speaker 2: To do it for the Patriots in terms of the
Speaker 2: competitive Look asked, what I when you're just talking about
Speaker 2: how you want to go to the Iron Ball, So
Speaker 2: you hope that the bye week is the week of
Speaker 2: the Iron Bolt. Well, we're gonna do some schedule today
Speaker 2: and we have the actual schedule. Now we're not just
Speaker 2: going off of rumors like we were last week. And Alex,
Speaker 2: do you get to go to the Iron Bowl?
Speaker 1: You gotta go to the Iron Bowl? You don't? No,
Speaker 1: look at his face, you get to go? You get
Speaker 1: do you get to go to I won't say yeah.
Speaker 2: We had the discussion off the so we I mean,
Speaker 2: the schedule's out like we Patriots tweeted out the preseason schedule.
Speaker 2: So I have tickets just and I have tickets to
Speaker 2: Zach Brown Band on August nineteenth, which we just found out.
Speaker 2: I will be in Green Bay for Patriots Packers preseason
Speaker 2: week number two. So guess who is not going to
Speaker 2: Zach Wild.
Speaker 1: I bought tickets for Bruce Springsteen here at Chillette that
Speaker 1: Saturday because I said, oh, they always played preseason on Thursday.
Speaker 1: I'll get the Saturday tickets. You looked out games on Friday,
Speaker 1: I get to do both. You looked out man, So
Speaker 1: Iron Bowl have to wait, but I get to see Bruce.
Speaker 2: God, I'm in trouble. Anyways, We're gonna be with you
Speaker 2: for the next hour, so you know, we sometimes it's
Speaker 2: an hour and a half, sometimes it's hour ten. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't really have a set time here, so I
Speaker 2: just kind of say hour or so that's the best
Speaker 2: I can do. But we're gonna do some schedule because
Speaker 2: we were on the show last Thursday while the rumors
Speaker 2: were trickling out about the Patriots schedule, but we weren't
Speaker 2: on the show and we had the actual schedule in hand.
Speaker 2: So I have some thoughts, Alex, I'm sure you have
Speaker 2: some thoughts. On the Patriots schedule and then we'll do
Speaker 2: better worse, same the defense we did offense last week.
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Speaker 1: We're taking Taylor Swift calls.
Speaker 2: We are taking Taylor Swift calls, and we're gonna do
Speaker 2: We're gonna do it Taylor Swift. Maybe a Celtics minute too,
Speaker 2: if you can sneak it in. But because I have
Speaker 2: takes about my Celtics and I have, Yeah, I'll wear
Speaker 2: this one. It's my Celtics, and I'll uh, we have
Speaker 2: some Taylor thoughts. You know, I like Taylor. You know
Speaker 2: I enjoy her music, not enough to buy a ticket
Speaker 2: to the Concert of the Millennium. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 2: but I've been known to turn on some Swift every
Speaker 2: once in a while, especially like it's really good music.
Speaker 2: And I said, I think I said this the other day.
Speaker 2: I don't know if were air, but when we're coming
Speaker 2: back from road games and uh, and my writing's done everything.
Speaker 2: The behay is in the barn, as they say. And
Speaker 2: we have a little bit of a plane ride and
Speaker 2: I just need something to just tune out windows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just stare out the playoff across the country. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Watching myself fly above the clouds while listening to some
Speaker 2: some Taylor Swift is not a.
Speaker 1: Horrible It's called main character syndrome. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means. It's people will get that joke. You're not
Speaker 1: alone in that, You're not alone.
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's like it's like good soothing background music.
Speaker 2: It's poppy, it's light, it's not anything serious. It's not
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a rap fan, as you know, but
Speaker 2: sometimes you turn on some rap at that point in
Speaker 2: your time and you're like, I'm not looking to get
Speaker 2: pumped up right now. I'm looking to wind down. So
Speaker 2: I like some Taylor Swift. We'll give some thoughts on
Speaker 2: that maybe here in a little bit, but let's start
Speaker 2: with the schedule.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I think my two biggest takeaways from the schedule. One,
Speaker 2: this team is going to sink or swim with the
Speaker 2: first month of the season, either this team is going
Speaker 2: to be take us all by surprise coming out of
Speaker 2: the gate in those first four weeks with it's Philly,
Speaker 2: Miami Jets Cowboys, and that's either that's gonna be make
Speaker 2: or break the season in September, which I don't love,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because as as people that
Speaker 2: cover the team and try to drum up at least
Speaker 2: a little bit of interest and excitement in the team,
Speaker 2: if they're own four out of the gate, and there
Speaker 2: goes your football season, right. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: we are going to learn a lot about this team,
Speaker 2: and I think in general the two things that are
Speaker 2: good about it are one what I'm maybe more looking
Speaker 2: forward to is learning about the defense, Like can this
Speaker 2: defense take that next step? With Christian Gonzales now in
Speaker 2: the cornerback room with I'll even give Kean White and
Speaker 2: Marty Mapu to them, right, Like, with some of these
Speaker 2: pieces that they've added to an already pretty good defense,
Speaker 2: can this defense take that next step from being elite
Speaker 2: against bad competition, okay against good competition.
Speaker 1: To elade against everybody?
Speaker 2: And I think that that's really what I'm hoping to
Speaker 2: see out of that defense, especially that week one matchup
Speaker 2: against Philadelphia, because on paper, that's the type of team
Speaker 2: that roasts Bill Belichick's defense, right, a mobile quarterback option
Speaker 2: style offense, had those college gimmicky type things with RPOs
Speaker 2: in motion and things like that, couple good receivers to
Speaker 2: throw the football to, great offensive line. On paper, the
Speaker 2: Eagles hang forty on the Patriots on Opening Night. Can
Speaker 2: the Patriots stem that tide? Can they come out and
Speaker 2: stop and shut down an elite offense and a good
Speaker 2: quarterback who's a dual threat, all.
Speaker 1: Those types of things.
Speaker 2: The other thing I think out of that is Mac Jones, Like,
Speaker 2: can Mac Jones win a couple of games that we
Speaker 2: don't think he should win or we don't think they
Speaker 2: should win. And the way that you do that is
Speaker 2: by winning a game against Jalen Hurts thirty eight thirty
Speaker 2: five in Week one, or winning a game against Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers right in the Jets and going toe to toe
Speaker 2: with Rogers and that offense and putting up more points
Speaker 2: than the opponent. I'm not talking about winning seventeen fourteen,
Speaker 2: actually outscoring an opponent to a W. That's not necessarily
Speaker 2: something that we have seen in the Mac Jones Zra.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna learn a lot about them, but you're
Speaker 2: also in jeopardy of falling too far underwater, right, Like
Speaker 2: we're thinking too much in the first month of the year.
Speaker 2: They to me, to have a real chance at a
Speaker 2: postseason birth need to go two and two in the
Speaker 2: first month of the season, and that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: tall task.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is. My you know, general takeaway, I've
Speaker 1: got a couple of them, the big picture one. In
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, this is structured similarly to their
Speaker 1: schedule the last few years. Starts tough, you've got kind
Speaker 1: of a softer landing spot in the middle, and then
Speaker 1: you close with a gauntlet once again. And that's what
Speaker 1: it was in twenty twenty one. That's what it was
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. The difference being, I think that's
Speaker 1: off spot in the middle. The last two years was
Speaker 1: about a month and a half, right, was like six
Speaker 1: seven games. This year it's what three four games, and
Speaker 1: that includes a game in Germany, which I think by
Speaker 1: default isn't easy, even if maybe the Colts aren't the
Speaker 1: best team. So the soft stretch of this schedule is
Speaker 1: not it's you blink and you'll miss it. The other thing,
Speaker 1: I you know, this is kind of a glass half full,
Speaker 1: glass half efty thing. I've heard people put it both ways.
Speaker 1: They did, Kansas City is gonna be their toughest game
Speaker 1: no matter what they do get outside of having a
Speaker 1: bye week before, which we've seen with this team's been
Speaker 1: after the bye the last couple years. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: good they don't have an immediate bye week before it
Speaker 1: as much time as they could possibly have to prepare
Speaker 1: for that game because they play Kansas City on Thursday
Speaker 1: night or sorry, they played Pittsburgh on Thursday night on
Speaker 1: the road, but then it's Kansas City Monday night at home,
Speaker 1: so no travel day. There's essentially four extra days baked
Speaker 1: into that preparation. How much of a difference will that make.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Will it be enough? Probably not, but
Speaker 1: that's something you have. But then I've had people come
Speaker 1: back and say, well, then you have a short week
Speaker 1: going to Denver on Christmas, even a spot where they've struggled,
Speaker 1: I'll take the extra time to prepare for Kansas City
Speaker 1: because that if they can steal that game, they're in
Speaker 1: great shape. But you know, to start with Philly, to
Speaker 1: have Kansas City in the spot where they are based
Speaker 1: on some of the rumors we were hearing leading up
Speaker 1: that end up being false leading up to the schedule release. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I almost feel like I feel good about the schedule
Speaker 1: because some of the stuff we heard was so much
Speaker 1: significantly worse than what it ended up being. But this
Speaker 1: is as tough as schedule, not just the opponents, but
Speaker 1: the way it's structured as they've had in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did this. I did a little exercise
Speaker 2: thought exercise. I shared this on PU already, but we'll
Speaker 2: do it here too quickly. I broke it up into
Speaker 2: it projected wins, projected losses, and then what I call
Speaker 2: coin flip games toss could go either way right, projected wins.
Speaker 2: And this year it feels to me, and you can
Speaker 2: say this probably every year, but it really feels to
Speaker 2: me this year that when I say projected, these have
Speaker 2: to be w's. Like, if you don't come out with
Speaker 2: wins from these games, you can get then getting to
Speaker 2: ten wins to get into the playoffs, it's almost impossible.
Speaker 1: Saints Commander's Colts, Saints Commanders Colts. We'll see about the Saints.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have Derek Carr now, so they have
Speaker 2: an okay quarterback situation and say they have a great
Speaker 2: quarterback situation, but they're okay at quarterback. Now, we'll see
Speaker 2: about their team as the season progresses. But if you
Speaker 2: can't beat Sam Howell and rookie Anthony Richardson, then you're
Speaker 2: not playoff team.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean those are two teams that could be
Speaker 1: I don't know about the Saints. Saints should be in
Speaker 1: position for a top five pick. The Commanders could have
Speaker 1: shot at the number one p yeah. Yeah. Losses ye, Philly, yep,
Speaker 1: Dallas yeah, Buffalo, Buffalo, Kansas City. Yes, so I think
Speaker 1: so right now? What three and five, three and six?
Speaker 2: Yes, that is what I'm getting at, right is we're
Speaker 2: even just if we give them wins where we think
Speaker 2: there should be wins, and even if we split the
Speaker 2: coin flips, which I'll get to in a second, it's
Speaker 2: not looking so hot. The last thing I'll say about
Speaker 2: the losses Buffalo, I'm gonna make a college football reference
Speaker 2: for you. Oh okay, you know how sometimes they say that,
Speaker 2: you know, for Auburn, like beating Alabama is like kind
Speaker 2: of the super Bowl, right, like the.
Speaker 1: If you're having a bad season but you beat your rival.
Speaker 1: It gives you something. There are coaches who there have
Speaker 1: been coaches who maybe not as much the Alabama Auburn series,
Speaker 1: but there's other rivalry series where I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of an example off the top of my head. Oh,
Speaker 1: I State, Michigan. No, because neither of those schools ever
Speaker 1: fire coaches. The South Carolina Clemson rivalry, Yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, South Carolina is I can't remember the
Speaker 1: year of the coach, but a couple years ago South
Speaker 1: Carolina's coach was like done, had a really bad year.
Speaker 1: Everybody's like he's gonna lose his job, and then they
Speaker 1: beat Clemson and he got another year, right, So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So not to say that Bill's
Speaker 1: gonna keep his job just if they beat Buffalo, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying no, that one win can change the way
Speaker 1: you look at a season.
Speaker 2: If they beat Buffalo straight up, like no wind, no
Speaker 2: injury to Josh Allen, like just straight up beat Buffalo
Speaker 2: and they finished with the record that I'm about to
Speaker 2: project that they finish with, then I do think you
Speaker 2: feel a little bit.
Speaker 1: Better, right you do?
Speaker 2: It changes the way you look at because you look
Speaker 2: at next year twenty twenty four now being a year
Speaker 2: where you really take that step forward, like you're competing
Speaker 2: now and you might not have the wins to show
Speaker 2: for it, but then in twenty twenty four, that's when
Speaker 2: it really starts to take off.
Speaker 1: Although so a couple things to that.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 1: That's where you're supposed to be like year two with
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback, and we're kind of ready.
Speaker 2: But we're kind of in here too with a rookie,
Speaker 2: we're kind of going backwards.
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. Yeah, the other thing
Speaker 1: i'd say about that is what we're getting waiting in semantics,
Speaker 1: what if Buffalo just isn't good this year?
Speaker 2: What if you beat Buffalo but then they go like
Speaker 2: you've been waiting for Buffalo to not be good for
Speaker 2: three years.
Speaker 1: I've been saying they're gonna regress for the last two years,
Speaker 1: and they've regressed the last two years.
Speaker 2: There's a chance there's I'm not saying that they're not
Speaker 2: They're a playoff team, hyeah, no matter what. But is
Speaker 2: there a chance that they're not as good as they've been.
Speaker 2: Certainly they've started to lose some pieces as they've.
Speaker 1: Gotten get ready for them to go seven, eleven, and six,
Speaker 1: and everybody be like, oh, Buffalo win, doesn't matter, it's
Speaker 1: not the same Bills. Get ready for that.
Speaker 2: Okay, coin flips Dolphins and Jets times to right, you
Speaker 2: know those four games, Yeah, I think are coin flips. Raiders, Giants, Chargers, Broncos, Steelers.
Speaker 2: Now the Giants, I think that they should win that game.
Speaker 1: It's in New.
Speaker 2: York, but it's not a travel you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: a thirty minute flight. But I disrespectable a lot, so
Speaker 2: I think that that's a tough game to win.
Speaker 1: I do too. I think there's two kinds of coin
Speaker 1: flip games, right, the Jets games, the Miami games. I'd
Speaker 1: even say a game against a team like Vegas against
Speaker 1: a team like Pittsburgh. Those are legitimately, like, these are
Speaker 1: two very even teams, right, They're gonna get on the
Speaker 1: field and we'll see what happens. The other kind of
Speaker 1: coin flip game, and this would be a team like
Speaker 1: Denver or a team like New York. It's a coin
Speaker 1: flip because we have no idea what this team is.
Speaker 1: Right by the time we get to that Denver game,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a coin flip. Yeah, because either
Speaker 1: they're terrible or they're good again. Right, Either the whole
Speaker 1: problem last year was Nathaniel Hackett and Sean Payton's fixed
Speaker 1: it and now they're the wagon everybody expected them to be.
Speaker 1: Or and by the way, I subscribe to this school theory,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson might be Washington, and I don't think it's
Speaker 1: necessarily gonna be as ugly as it was last year
Speaker 1: because Hackett did play a big role in that thing
Speaker 1: falling apart, and Peyton's a better coach. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think Sean Payton can fix everything, every single thing.
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson just physically can't play at the level that
Speaker 1: he used to that he can't fix that. So like,
Speaker 1: I like, that's a coin flip right now, but there's
Speaker 1: a chance that that's a very winnable game. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I would say saying about the Giants, was Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: a flash in the pan? And I respect the hell
Speaker 1: out of day Ball, do I really do? But was
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones a flash in the pan? Or is this
Speaker 1: Brian day Ball doing for him what he did for
Speaker 1: Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other game that I put on the coin
Speaker 2: flip category and I'm gonna get to my Denver taking
Speaker 2: a second.
Speaker 1: Because I have a bone to pick. Pittsburgh. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: need to see Mac Jones be Kenny Pickett. There's similar teams.
Speaker 1: I need to see Mac Jones b Kenny Pickett. Yah,
Speaker 1: if he can't.
Speaker 2: It's Thursday night game, it's primetime Island game all on
Speaker 2: its own, and the discourse around the Patriots, who would
Speaker 2: probably be hovering around five hundred at that point of
Speaker 2: the season, right, you know, a team looking at eight
Speaker 2: and nine. Again, the discourse around this team. If Mac
Speaker 2: Jones gets outduoled by Kenny Pickett in a primetime game,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. But whichever quarterback loses that game is going
Speaker 1: to be viewed as on the hot seat for the offseason. Right.
Speaker 2: So that is I think it's nine coin flip games
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and Jets. You know those four games, Raiders, Giants, Chargers, Broncos, Steelers.
Speaker 1: I'll say this about the Chargers to the Chargers game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough.
Speaker 2: One is it's a it is a home game.
Speaker 1: It's a one game.
Speaker 2: Like so that's a that's a ten am body clock
Speaker 2: game for the Chargers, which is something I do subscribe to.
Speaker 1: And even in the two games there, Belichick has owned
Speaker 1: Justin HRB. Yeah, I mean like it's not even like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of close. I agree that it's coin
Speaker 1: flip game. They have a better quarterback, so you can't
Speaker 1: just chalk it up to a win. Yes, but Herbert
Speaker 1: has not been who he like he is.
Speaker 2: But I hope this doesn't happen. But eventually Josh Allen
Speaker 2: solved Bill too. Sure, right, and when you're that physically talented,
Speaker 2: there's always that chance that this is the game that
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Finally, the difference is Josh Allen had Brian Daball, who
Speaker 1: we know is a great coach. Justin Herbert has probably
Speaker 1: the worst coach in the league. You just don't and
Speaker 1: he's a bad coach. He's a numbers guy. He willingly
Speaker 1: took his team out of a playoffs.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not gonna do a bad coach. He can
Speaker 2: do this when they play the Chargers can if he's so.
Speaker 2: I have three penciledon wins and I have nine coin
Speaker 2: flip games. So if we split the coin flip games
Speaker 2: in half because they are a coin flip game, it's
Speaker 2: four and a half wins plus three.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it if you give them the benefit
Speaker 1: of them looking at it nine, I think even if
Speaker 1: you give them the the benefit of the coin flip games
Speaker 1: at five and four, they're eight nine.
Speaker 2: Right, So let's let's call him nine for a second
Speaker 2: out of Philly Dallas Buffalo times two in Kansas City,
Speaker 2: they gotta they gotta figure out a way to pull
Speaker 2: out one of the or two of those games to
Speaker 2: stem the tip. Which ones do you give them the
Speaker 2: best chance to do?
Speaker 1: So you're gonna say that I'm saying this because they
Speaker 1: hate Buffalo. Divisional football is always weird. You know him well.
Speaker 2: But they just smoked it, I know. But in fair
Speaker 2: you know, no win tunnel game.
Speaker 1: To slip back on what you just said, eventually, Josh
Speaker 1: Allen figured out Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Right, So you think that Bill Belichick's eventually going to
Speaker 2: refigure out Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they've gotten I think closer than it looks
Speaker 1: they've the last two years they've dropped. They've just had
Speaker 1: a key interception would have flipped the game dropped. It
Speaker 1: was in the exact same spot on the field.
Speaker 2: The second game in twenty one was closer than it looked. Offensively,
Speaker 2: they were bad in that game as well, but the game,
Speaker 2: the score was closer than and the two games last year.
Speaker 1: I don't know how play the game here last year
Speaker 1: was as close as that game of twenty. But it's
Speaker 1: the same thing they had. I don't remember who it
Speaker 1: was who dropped it. The offense was just so so terrible.
Speaker 1: And that's that game here. So here comes phil Obrian. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other one is Dallas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I just remember Max Rock a year again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they couldn't stop. They had I think Dallas had
Speaker 1: six hundred yards in that game. They did, but Dallas
Speaker 1: is super hot and cold. Yeah, Like, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: catch the Chiefs on it off week. You're just it's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Their off weeks are like what the
Speaker 1: Brady or a Patriots are, right exactly. The off week is,
Speaker 1: Oh maybe you end up getting within two touchdowns. Right,
Speaker 1: you catch Dallas on and off week, Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: very much beat him because they'll get sloppy with the
Speaker 1: football and Trayvon dig starts getting too aggressive. Right, it
Speaker 1: can happen. So at like of your like lock I
Speaker 1: lost games. Yeah, I would say Dallas is the easiest
Speaker 1: game on that because me too. It's just a very inconsistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say Dallas is as well. And they're
Speaker 2: changing offensive coordinators. It sounds like Mike McCarthy my call plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, cars gonna call plays. It's early in the year.
Speaker 2: It's slammed flat one hundred and fifty times because that's
Speaker 2: what he does. I think that there's a possibility that
Speaker 2: you could steal Dallas.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll give them that. It's tough though, it's
Speaker 2: a tough schedule, and I think we knew that, Mike Gripe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is personal, This is totally selfish, Okay, But
Speaker 2: I got yelled at for doing this last week.
Speaker 1: You did, and I'm gonna do it this week. And
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: The Patriots on Christmas Eve at primetime on the road
Speaker 2: a year after putting the Patriots on Thanksgiving at primetime
Speaker 2: on the road is malpractice. This is outrageous. And this
Speaker 2: is coming from a Jew that I'm this outraged by it,
Speaker 2: but I still am.
Speaker 1: There were it, by the ways, gonna be New Year's
Speaker 1: next year.
Speaker 2: This is outrageous. Not only not only are they on
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve, it's primetime in Denver, which is a four
Speaker 2: and a half hour flight. I will quite quite literally
Speaker 2: be flying across the country back for Christmas Day with
Speaker 2: Santa to make it in this listening to Taylor Swift,
Speaker 2: and I am displeased they took away my Thanksgiving last year.
Speaker 2: I was really I was really upset by that. I'm
Speaker 2: not as upset about Christmas Eve because, as I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: I am Jewish, so it's not as big of a
Speaker 2: deal to me as obviously a big deal to my
Speaker 2: other half. But it's not as big a deal to me.
Speaker 2: But you know, last year Thanksgiving, I was bumped. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was bumped. Like that's that's such a perfect day
Speaker 2: for you to just you don't have to work, you
Speaker 2: don't have to watch the Patriots. You just sit back,
Speaker 2: you eat a bunch of food, you watch football all day.
Speaker 2: It's a great day to have. And now Christmas Eve
Speaker 2: this year and then they play on New Year's the
Speaker 2: following week.
Speaker 1: I don't care about it.
Speaker 2: I don't care about New Year's that much time. I
Speaker 2: just the Christmas and Thanksgiving back to back primetime year
Speaker 2: Like that's horrible.
Speaker 1: That's terrible.
Speaker 2: To come on, do you not care about our families?
Speaker 2: And I'm talking on behalf of the players and coaches
Speaker 2: right now too. I do not care about any of
Speaker 2: our families. That is that what this is.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. Somebody's got to do it.
Speaker 1: They went like twelve years without a game on a holiday,
Speaker 1: so we are kind of down here. They don't care
Speaker 1: about our families, Alex I, I, it's annoying. It's absolutely
Speaker 1: not well. I mean, we had heard whispers, and can
Speaker 1: I talk about the thing we'd heard? I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know which one it is. Oh you know what.
Speaker 1: It had been discussed openly on other stations, So it
Speaker 1: was gonna be Thanksgiving? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we had
Speaker 1: heard like that would have been I would have lost it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not Thanksgiving again. They obviously played Dallas in Dallas,
Speaker 2: so that right when.
Speaker 1: You looked at it was like looking at who Dallas
Speaker 1: was playing. As the schedule started to leak, it came
Speaker 1: down to a point where there was like only three
Speaker 1: teams left downs to play on Thanksgiving, the Patriots or
Speaker 1: one of them. So it was like, oh, here we go.
Speaker 2: But yeah, nope, Christmas Eve in Denver, it's on prime
Speaker 2: time and you know it's gonna stop terrible, you know,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. Lastly, I do like the schedule, the fact
Speaker 2: that we are basically our season is pre Germany post Germany,
Speaker 2: right like that's you know, because the bye week is
Speaker 2: in there. It's not exactly right in the middle of Germany.
Speaker 1: It's week ten. It's not like week nine or week eight.
Speaker 2: But it's close enough to the middle that that's how
Speaker 2: the season is gonna feel to me at least. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's going to be let's get to Germany, let's play
Speaker 2: in Germany, and then reset after the bye and then
Speaker 2: that that's when, as Bill Belichick would say, real football
Speaker 2: starts in November into.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember last year because people always say, like,
Speaker 1: when do you want bye week? When you want the
Speaker 1: bye week? In the schedule release video, last year was
Speaker 1: probably way the one This year was outstanding. Credit to
Speaker 1: everybody worked on that. Do you remember the one last
Speaker 1: year was just like which was also great, Like it
Speaker 1: is a very different kind of thing. But and people say,
Speaker 1: when's the ideal bye week? I never quite knew its answer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Ernie said the ideal the last year, Week ten was
Speaker 1: the ideal bye week because you want as in the
Speaker 1: middle of the season as possible, with slightly later preferable
Speaker 1: to slightly earlier. Right, So ten would be the ideal,
Speaker 1: I guess, or nine would be the ideal in an
Speaker 1: eighteen week season. Yeah, I feel like eleven is perfect
Speaker 1: pretty close. Like you can't complain about that.
Speaker 2: And that's my last point is I'm I'm glad that
Speaker 2: they did take the bye after Germany because I think
Speaker 2: we're the whole team's gonna be wiping.
Speaker 1: Not everybody got that. I know people think that that's
Speaker 1: a guarantee. Buffalo's playing in London. I forget when it is,
Speaker 1: but Buffalo's playing in London and then they play the
Speaker 1: next week. Their bye week isn't for like a month
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, that's until after international game. That
Speaker 1: seems brutal. So I'm glad that that buy is coming
Speaker 1: right after Germany. I think that really it's a blessing
Speaker 1: in disguise that there's no other setup for a week
Speaker 1: long trip someplace else, right, So we got one of those.
Speaker 2: Last year they had too, They had the Miami trip,
Speaker 2: and they had the West Coast Vegas or Arizona Vegas
Speaker 2: back to back trip. This year is just going to
Speaker 2: be Germany. They do have the joint practices in the summer,
Speaker 2: but that's a little bit. It's kind of its own thing.
Speaker 2: So I think that this the schedule from that aspect,
Speaker 2: from a travel aspect to when Germany is to the
Speaker 2: bye week after Germany sets up. Okay, we knew the
Speaker 2: opponents coming in. We knew it was going to be
Speaker 2: a tough gauntlet of opponents coming in, and we'll see
Speaker 2: what this team is made of.
Speaker 1: One other interesting thing. I don't know if this means anything,
Speaker 1: just the way football's played and it being you know,
Speaker 1: once a week kind of game, but it feels like
Speaker 1: the last couple of years the schedule is very much
Speaker 1: home road home road home road, and you'd get like
Speaker 1: maybe one double home in one double road. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: year it's all over the place home home road, road home,
Speaker 1: road home road home home by and then it road
Speaker 1: home road home road road home. So it evens out
Speaker 1: a little bit, I guess on the second half. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I you normally don't see it that that many combined,
Speaker 1: right right, you know, home and road as staggered as
Speaker 1: it is, you normally see it pretty evenly distributed. Again,
Speaker 1: because you're only playing once a week and you're preparing
Speaker 1: a home and all that. It's not the same as
Speaker 1: like when you look at a baseball schedule, you see
Speaker 1: like a ten game road trip. It's not quite like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that stood out to me. It's not
Speaker 1: how I feel like it usually is.
Speaker 2: Alex andrew wants you to come to the Cocktail sat
Speaker 2: cocktail party this Saturday before the road game at Miami, Miami, Florida.
Speaker 2: I think, is there Miami, George.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's so.
Speaker 2: We have a condo in state in Augustine. You can
Speaker 2: tillgate and watch the Dogs and the Gators. David Andrews
Speaker 2: would appreciate this.
Speaker 1: So what he's talking about is the Florida Georgia Rivalry,
Speaker 1: which is one of the biggest in the SEC. David
Speaker 1: Andrews knows a lot about this. Yes, it's played in
Speaker 1: Jacksonville every year neutral Site. The nickname for the rivalry
Speaker 1: is it's what is it the world's largest outdoor cocktail party?
Speaker 1: The world's largest Maybe outdoor isn't any but that is
Speaker 1: another bucket list. I have a group of friends that
Speaker 1: we do college football stuff with, Like we just already
Speaker 1: talked about and we want to do a yearly trip.
Speaker 1: The cocktail party. Absolutely on the list. I'm assuming the
Speaker 1: emailer is a Dogs fan based off what he said.
Speaker 1: There doesn't it doesn't specify. Oh okay, I'd like to
Speaker 1: go see it. Nothing against you.
Speaker 2: He does say the road game at Miami, so I'd
Speaker 2: assume that means he's a Georgia fan.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, no, he's saying when the Patriots are in Miami.
Speaker 1: It must be that weekend. It must be that weekend.
Speaker 1: You're right, I would like I don't I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan or against either team. I just kind of appreciate
Speaker 1: the sec Yeah, I would kind of like to see
Speaker 1: Florida get back to standing and see it as like
Speaker 1: a ranked game because George is just whooping Florida right
Speaker 1: now in that series. Shout out to David Andrews. But
Speaker 1: that is up there on the bucket list. The cocktail party.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well there's your college football thirty seconds and.
Speaker 1: Before yeah, it is the world's largest outdoor call.
Speaker 2: Before we get to better word same on the defense,
Speaker 2: I do want to address one one thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: last week we talked a little bit about Malie Cunningham,
Speaker 2: and I rolled my eyes at the Malie Cuttingham buzz
Speaker 2: I think I might have compared it to Jeff Thomas
Speaker 2: or something of the ilk of that, like, and I
Speaker 2: rode the UDFA thing that we all right, you know,
Speaker 2: nineteen straight years, who's the guy that's gonna make it
Speaker 2: twenty Yeah, you know, we all got to do it.
Speaker 2: It's like a yearly tradition. People like it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's an easy one. And I did watch the Molie
Speaker 2: Cunningham and I came away more optim mystic about him
Speaker 2: developing at quarterback than anything.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: There's some really big peaks and valleys to his game
Speaker 2: as a passer, especially his downfield deep passing. He's he's
Speaker 2: an inaccurate deep passer right now. I think he completed
Speaker 2: thirty one percent of his deep passes last year. He's
Speaker 2: not a very good twenty plus yard thrower right a
Speaker 2: deep real deep ball, so that that's a concern. But
Speaker 2: I actually thought that his ability to throw, you know,
Speaker 2: in rhythm, on time at the first and second level
Speaker 2: was better than expected. And he takes a little bit
Speaker 2: off of me, like he does throw a little bit
Speaker 2: of a of a catchable ball, you know, the old
Speaker 2: pillowy catchable ball.
Speaker 1: Cliche.
Speaker 2: I think you can do that, and certainly he has
Speaker 2: the running ability. What he isn't is this cyborg Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes off platform second reaction magician. Right, he's not
Speaker 2: going to bring that to the table. He's not going
Speaker 2: to run around for four seconds and then flip the
Speaker 2: flick the wrist and fling it to the yards down
Speaker 2: the field to an open receiver. Like that's not the
Speaker 2: type of guy that he is, but he is more
Speaker 2: I would say, like Marcus Mariota. I don't know Tyrod
Speaker 2: Taylor like that.
Speaker 1: Like he's more athletic than those guys.
Speaker 2: But he's mobile in structure, like in design, and he
Speaker 2: can scramble a little bit. But I wouldn't say that
Speaker 2: he like I just mentioned that he's this off platform,
Speaker 2: second reaction or out of structure, not.
Speaker 1: An improviser than you. So what he's going to do?
Speaker 1: And look, he is supremely athletic and he's great with
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, but it's not a when
Speaker 1: he starts moving. So all right, here's I think what
Speaker 1: you're trying to say. Yeah, when when Mahomes or Alan
Speaker 1: or Aaron Rodgers of these guys, when they start moving.
Speaker 1: When they play breaks down and they start using their legs,
Speaker 1: they are still looking to throw, right, They're using their
Speaker 1: legs to extend their window to throw the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Malik cunning him. He'll stand back in the pocket throw.
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's going to look to run first.
Speaker 1: But when it breaks down, he's running. He's not running
Speaker 1: to extend the play to throw. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of running to scramble.
Speaker 2: I assume they're more they are in the playbook like RPOs.
Speaker 2: It might be like more like package style plays where
Speaker 2: there are routes being run, but he clearly has like
Speaker 2: a QB draw option. Oh yeah, right, and so it's
Speaker 2: it's like a it's an RPO draw, but the draws
Speaker 2: to the quarterback right. And he's got this ability where
Speaker 2: his blockers are run blocking and they're working up to
Speaker 2: the second level of defenses are lead blocking. But he
Speaker 2: still has some routes that he could branch off of
Speaker 2: if he wants to, and if he likes the look
Speaker 2: or if it's an easy completion, he might throw it,
Speaker 2: but he more often than not runs the draw.
Speaker 1: It's basically still the offense Lamar Jackson ran when he
Speaker 1: was there, they really changed much. So yeah, I just
Speaker 1: how much did you watch?
Speaker 2: I watched probably four or five games. I watched some
Speaker 2: of it, you know, just broadcast angle, but I watched
Speaker 2: like one or two of the all twenty two.
Speaker 1: So my take on the Leae cunning him throughout his
Speaker 1: four years at Louisville was just he was. There were
Speaker 1: times where he looked good. Yeah, he was never good
Speaker 1: enough for long enough for me to say, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: real NFL quarterback up side there, like.
Speaker 2: Right, Like, he played well against Florida State. That was
Speaker 2: sort of the big game statistically for him. And then
Speaker 2: I watched the Syracuse game and he should have had
Speaker 2: four turnovers in that game.
Speaker 1: Right, he was terrible. There's probably a handful of plays
Speaker 1: I think you can pull and he gave. You could
Speaker 1: put together a long enough reel where you could sell somebody.
Speaker 1: But I he just it. He gets very impatient, and
Speaker 1: I think his mechanics break down because of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a little bit of he doesn't throw
Speaker 2: from an even plane. Yeah, his shoulders and his his
Speaker 2: his axis is not even. So he tilts back like this.
Speaker 2: And when you till back like dad, you air miil.
Speaker 2: It's it's like that I forget who the mean is.
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of like a shot put.
Speaker 1: Just wait till we get to Joe Milton.
Speaker 2: So you want to throw with your shoulders even, and
Speaker 2: you want everything to just kind of come linear through
Speaker 2: your body, and he kind of tilts back. Cam Newton
Speaker 2: had the same issue. And when you do that, the
Speaker 2: ball it goes high. He's you sail it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the technical term, but
Speaker 1: it should be the technical term. He eats the football. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he really does. And like it's it's all fixable. This
Speaker 1: is a guy, he's older, he's been you know, he's
Speaker 1: a fives concern that you have is how much ceiling
Speaker 1: does he have? It?
Speaker 2: It's mechanically, I think it's fixable. But he kind of
Speaker 2: throws the way he throws at this point, and I
Speaker 2: think this is what a lot of people ran into
Speaker 2: with Cam Newton. It's like, yeah, we can rework his
Speaker 2: mechanics to be more by the book, but he's been
Speaker 2: doing it this way for so long that the muscle
Speaker 2: memory is just what it is, right, And I think
Speaker 2: it's similar with Malie Cunningham to an extent. The other
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me with him is I
Speaker 2: would really like to see them develop him at quarterback
Speaker 2: and see where he can get to as a passer.
Speaker 2: That the one thing that other than the mechanical type
Speaker 2: of stuff is he's not a very good eye manipulator,
Speaker 2: so he stares down receivers and he really brings defenders
Speaker 2: to his intended targets, and especially his zone defenders will
Speaker 2: just jump routes on him left and right, and and
Speaker 2: it just that I think is more fixable seeing some.
Speaker 1: Of the mechanics because he's he he knows where to look. Yes,
Speaker 1: problem is he looks there too long, but he certainly
Speaker 1: knows how to read a defense. Yeah, let me throw
Speaker 1: one more thing at you. Yeah, and you're gonna hate this,
Speaker 1: but I don't care. Cool. So everybody's assuming, oh, he's
Speaker 1: super athletic, and you know Julian Edelman and they're a
Speaker 1: tournament of receiver and he's gonna be great. So coming
Speaker 1: out of high school, he was recruited. Part of the
Speaker 1: reason he went to Louisville's they were one of the
Speaker 1: few schools that were gonna let him play quarterback. He
Speaker 1: was recruited to Alabama. He was recruited to Oklahoma. There's
Speaker 1: a couple other like SEC Big twelve schools that were
Speaker 1: recruiting him as a safety. Yeah, I did. That was
Speaker 1: where he actually got most of the looks. So I
Speaker 1: if he's not going to play quarterback and look, you
Speaker 1: might as well see what you have with him in QUARTERBA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm actually so.
Speaker 2: The reason why I brought it up is because last
Speaker 2: week I dumped all over the idea, mainly because I
Speaker 2: dumped all over the idea of him becoming a receiver
Speaker 2: and being a being something right at receiver. But I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing him in camp though at quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I And I'm not talking about pushing Mac or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm.
Speaker 2: Excited to see that skill set on the Patriots in
Speaker 2: a training camp in preseason environment. I think there's definitely
Speaker 2: a chance that he lights up a fourth quarter of
Speaker 2: a preseason game. He's got the experience and he's got
Speaker 2: the athleticism, and I think that that could happen. I
Speaker 2: also think that there's definitely some intrigue and some positive
Speaker 2: developments of scout team and what looks he can give them,
Speaker 2: like for Week one against Jalen Hurts like this, This
Speaker 2: is watered down Jalen Hurts. So what better way to
Speaker 2: prepare for Jalen Hurts than to have a guy that
Speaker 2: has a similar skill set but just isn't as good
Speaker 2: as Jalen Hurts. It's better than putting Bailey's appy out there.
Speaker 2: Or I think what they were doing was Lin Bowden,
Speaker 2: and that's why Lin Boden's not here anymore.
Speaker 1: Didn't Miles Bryant do it at one point? I think
Speaker 1: so at a certain I would just say that, and
Speaker 1: I agree with all that. If he is going to
Speaker 1: change positions, I wonder if he moves to the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, that'd be that.
Speaker 2: I don't think the fans would be too happy about
Speaker 2: that because they want to see that guy with the
Speaker 2: ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: And I get that that Like, so, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I broke down all his high school tape and this
Speaker 1: is six years ago. Yeah, he make so that part
Speaker 1: of what makes him so exciting with the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands is his ability to quit, cut and change direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah you again, this is the high school level, massive disclimer.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can do this in the NFL.
Speaker 1: It's gotten for a you watch him as a safety.
Speaker 1: You talk about deep safeties like reading him and cutting rounds.
Speaker 1: You watch him recognize her out, put his foot in
Speaker 1: the ground and undercut it. Yeah. Yeah, I understand why
Speaker 1: Alabama wanted him to play safety. That was six years ago.
Speaker 1: He goes, if he can still do it, who knows,
Speaker 1: if he can do it at the NFL level, Maybe
Speaker 1: he look again trying a quarterback. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: if that's not gonna be the path, I'm just as
Speaker 1: interested to seem as safety as it was so the
Speaker 1: last thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm not completely out on this idea. If if,
Speaker 2: if they get into the season and short yardage is
Speaker 2: a big problem for them, they just can't pick up
Speaker 2: a third and one, or they can't punch it in
Speaker 2: on the goal line, which really hasn't been an issue
Speaker 2: for them. Honestly, last year it was, but everything was
Speaker 2: an issue for them last year when they had McDaniels,
Speaker 2: it wasn't an issue. And I don't think it will
Speaker 2: be an issue with O'Brien. But if it does become
Speaker 2: an issue, or if they feel like they can trust
Speaker 2: really cutting Ham, having some sort of short yardage package
Speaker 2: with him at quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's not, it's it could be fun. Yeah, it could.
Speaker 2: It could give them something. And that was the big
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me was there was a
Speaker 2: couple of like third and ones where they would just
Speaker 2: run zone read and what's the defense gonna do? Like
Speaker 2: if you crash inside, he's taken it off the ed
Speaker 2: and he's got the four or five speed to turn
Speaker 2: the corner and he can win foot races out there,
Speaker 2: or you get the numbers inside like it, that's the advantage.
Speaker 2: You turned into a college football and we know that's
Speaker 2: the advantage. Yeah, And I think that there is a
Speaker 2: package that could be in play.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not usually a big proponent of that.
Speaker 1: I don't really.
Speaker 2: I think you have a quarterback and the quarterback plays right,
Speaker 2: Like I just I'm not a big proponent of like
Speaker 2: the Taysom Hill thing, right, but with this offense, like
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that that does get them better within the margins,
Speaker 2: Maybe that does bring them on you know, third and one,
Speaker 2: they're now at eighty five percent instead of seventy five
Speaker 2: percent or whatever, you know, whatever the numbers end up being.
Speaker 1: For what it is worth, Yes, maybe this is very little. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien did that last year at Alabama. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: they're backup. Course, everybody knows about Bryce Young. Their backup
Speaker 1: quarterback is a guy named Jalen Milroe, who is a
Speaker 1: very similar skill. I mean, Cunningham is a better thrower,
Speaker 1: but like athletically is similar to Lee Cunningham. And they
Speaker 1: would at times most on the goal line. I don't
Speaker 1: think they did it much in the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: like third and one and stuff like that, because they
Speaker 1: wanted the ability to take deep shots there, but you
Speaker 1: could move it over there. They would put Jalen Milroe
Speaker 1: on the field and run read options with image a
Speaker 1: mer Gibbs. Yeah, and they sprinkled in a couple of
Speaker 1: RPOs just to kind of keep the defense. Honest, Bill
Speaker 1: Obrian absolutely has that in his back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not totally rulling it out. All right, Let's
Speaker 2: get to better word Sam again. Eight five to five,
Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the phone number if you want
Speaker 2: to call in and weigh in on any of this,
Speaker 2: like our Malik Cunningham wildcat package that sounds riveting. You
Speaker 2: can give us a call. But I didn't know I
Speaker 2: wanted to. I don't mean this shit all over Malie Cunningham.
Speaker 2: It was more of just like I get frustrated by
Speaker 2: people that like, why can't we just hope Taekwon Thornton
Speaker 2: ends up being good? Like why does it have to
Speaker 2: be the UDFA quarterback that becomes a receiver that all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Oh, he's gonna be a super Like,
Speaker 2: let's just let's hope the receivers become super stars.
Speaker 1: You know where it is too. We kind of did
Speaker 1: this last year with Bailey Zappi, where backup quarterback comes
Speaker 1: in there but all of a sudden like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: tom Brady. Yeah, look at this, he's gonna win the job.
Speaker 1: He's tom Bray. And it's like no, because not only
Speaker 1: is it dumb, you're taking away like if it was
Speaker 1: that easy to do what Tom Brady did wouldn't be impressive.
Speaker 1: So everybody sees Malie Cunningham and says Julian Edelman. No,
Speaker 1: not necessarily. Also, Julian Edelman took like four years to
Speaker 1: become Julian Edelman. He was not Julian Edelman as a rookie,
Speaker 1: So it's not a one for one comp And again,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that, know the history. His second
Speaker 1: best position besides, quarterback might not even be receiver, it
Speaker 1: might be safety. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I would also say with Julian Edelman, they knew
Speaker 2: when they drafted Julian Edelman, they weren't ensure exactly where
Speaker 2: he was gonna play, but they knew it wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: be quarterble.
Speaker 1: They actually were gonna try him as a defensive backup
Speaker 1: point I think, yeah, I mean they did later on,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And also along those lines, Jacobe Myers was a receiver
Speaker 2: in college, right, I know.
Speaker 1: Everybody that was a completely different right.
Speaker 2: I know everybody knows that Jacobin Myers played quarterback in
Speaker 2: his football career, but he changed over to wide receiver
Speaker 2: as a red shirt freshman at NC State and stayed
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Of the rest of that would be like saying, oh,
Speaker 1: have ke On White play tight end? Yeah? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: Which stop? All right?
Speaker 2: Speaking of ke On White, let's get the better wear
Speaker 2: of same. On defense, I will start with the defensive
Speaker 2: line that was. That was a good segue, and uh,
Speaker 2: hear the names on the defensive line currently we have
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore, Lawrence Guy Dietrich, Wise, Devon Godshaw, Carl Davis,
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Farms, Daniel Qualley, Sam Roberts, and one Keon White.
Speaker 2: I have Keon White as an end. I think he's
Speaker 2: a hand in the dirt end with a three technique versatility.
Speaker 1: Were canting to Marcus Mitchell as.
Speaker 2: Special teamer, maybe a stand up guy in spurts or
Speaker 2: in first down packages and things like that, but I
Speaker 2: I think he's truly an end. That's where I have him.
Speaker 2: But in general better worse for same on the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Better better because they brought everybody back and then they
Speaker 1: added key On White, so that's kind of easy one.
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Christian Barmore was supposed to
Speaker 1: unlock a lot last year.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that. Yeah, so let's hope that it
Speaker 2: comes this way.
Speaker 1: I would say people were unhappy with his performance at
Speaker 1: the start of the year. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people were critical of him. I think he was better
Speaker 1: than a lot of people gave him credit for. He
Speaker 1: wasn't putting up stats, but if he actually went back
Speaker 1: and watched the games, he was influencing plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his stuff like his like you know, pressure rates
Speaker 2: and massruption rates are better than his sacked.
Speaker 1: Bright and then he had that knee injury. I think
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they brought him back too early, but
Speaker 1: he didn't look the same. Yeah, when he came back.
Speaker 1: I think that issue was bothering him even after he returned.
Speaker 1: So you hope right now he's fully healthy. They talk
Speaker 1: about the year three jump, right, and how that's a
Speaker 1: big one. I'm expecting a lot from Christian Barmore this year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have this image from last year in Cleveland of
Speaker 2: Barmore trying to figure out if he can go with
Speaker 2: the knee on the sidelines, and he's he's he's kind
Speaker 2: of like do the block and dummy thing, and he's
Speaker 2: throwing his hands into somebody and kind of pushing off
Speaker 2: the knee and seeing if he can explode the way
Speaker 2: he wants to. And you could just see the visible
Speaker 2: frustration on his face and his whole body language. It
Speaker 2: was a tough injury for him that I definitely agree
Speaker 2: lingered I'm gonna go better as well.
Speaker 1: I think this is an underrated.
Speaker 2: Group, like league wide, like I think this is a
Speaker 2: sneaky good group. I do start to worry a little
Speaker 2: bit about Lawrence Guy's age and effectiveness at this point,
Speaker 2: but I think ideally, and not that I am shipping
Speaker 2: guy out of town or driving him to the bus
Speaker 2: or anything, but I think ideally somebody like a Dietrich
Speaker 2: wwis er Keon White ends up stepping up where Lawrence
Speaker 2: Guy's not playing the same type of snap tootal that
Speaker 2: he used to.
Speaker 1: They have enough guys that can fill that role that
Speaker 1: I'm not super word. Yeah, the one thing I am
Speaker 1: if there was one knock on this group, if because
Speaker 1: they've had trouble stopping the run the last couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if Devon goes down. I know they like Carl Davis
Speaker 1: and he's a fine player, but you know that that
Speaker 1: they no tackle they could use no the nose tackles
Speaker 1: kind of helpen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they could probably use another one. Maybe, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think that they they have a look
Speaker 2: right now of being a little bit more hybrid y
Speaker 2: upfront than even they are used to. And they're already
Speaker 2: a very hybrid mixed match type of defensive front as
Speaker 2: it is. But I do wonder if we see some
Speaker 2: more even or or tilted three four, which is basically
Speaker 2: a four man front, Like you know, I think that
Speaker 2: that's in play, that we have some more four on
Speaker 2: the line looks, which they've they've done always and they've
Speaker 2: always kind of had a little bit of that sprinkled in.
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be shocked if that's more of a
Speaker 2: base for them this year with Judan as a stand
Speaker 2: up outside linebacker, but more in line over the tackle,
Speaker 2: like almost like a five technique, and then the three
Speaker 2: guys across with the hand in the dirt, like, I
Speaker 2: think that that's a possibility that we see a decent
Speaker 2: amount of that. Maybe even Keon White is that guy
Speaker 2: that ends up being in that role and Judon's a
Speaker 2: little bit further out. All right, I'm doing edge defenders.
Speaker 2: I know you don't like. You don't like edge as
Speaker 2: a position.
Speaker 1: It's not a real position. It is a real position.
Speaker 1: It's a real position. No, it's a defensive end outside linebacker.
Speaker 1: We use edge because coming into the draft, there are
Speaker 1: guys that in one system might play and in another
Speaker 1: system might play outside linebacker. So, right, but that's going
Speaker 1: into the draft and we don't know what system they're in,
Speaker 1: so we can't classify them as one or the other. One.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the Patriots. We're talking about a system
Speaker 1: we know where they're going to be playing. All right,
Speaker 1: you even just say all right, you even alright, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Paipe just said you have Keon White is a defensive end.
Speaker 1: I do not. Is that edge? No, So you're just
Speaker 1: saying outside linebackers and you're calling them edge. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: So say outside linebackers. Then there are three four outside linebackers.
Speaker 1: That's what they all right, Well, it's a three four defense,
Speaker 1: so they're outside linebacker.
Speaker 2: I just said they're three four outside linebackers.
Speaker 1: Right, any three four defense or they're outside linebackers.
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon, josh u Ja, Anthony Jennings, Ronnie Perkins. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to help me with this.
Speaker 1: One, Okasi. I don't know the first name.
Speaker 2: So I didn't put Jelaniva in this group. I have
Speaker 2: him with the inside linebackers or the off ball linebackers
Speaker 2: the edge though, but he's both. He's he's in the
Speaker 2: he's a hybrid because there's some guys play on the
Speaker 2: line and some guys play off the line. My goodness, Uh,
Speaker 2: Jelaniva is is the one guy that if you're if
Speaker 2: you're doing the the old uh you know, what's the
Speaker 2: circles with.
Speaker 1: The little diagram.
Speaker 2: He's the one that's in the middle right of the
Speaker 2: linebacker group.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just him. Who else do you
Speaker 1: think is in the middle Mack Wilson.
Speaker 2: I think Mack Wilson, he would when he plays on
Speaker 2: the line though he's in line right, like he's like
Speaker 2: over the guard or over the center. If we're talking
Speaker 2: about true like end of the line players. I think
Speaker 2: TV's the only one that truly does that at a
Speaker 2: blend the lines. Jawan Bentley has done it like at
Speaker 2: times and in like certain game planned package.
Speaker 1: He's a middle lineback. So this group, this edge group.
Speaker 2: I think when you factor in that Tavai can fill
Speaker 2: in on that edge group where necessary. It makes the
Speaker 2: depth look a little bit better there because on paper,
Speaker 2: you really don't know outside of Judan and Uche, if
Speaker 2: you're getting anything from any of these guys, right, especially
Speaker 2: with Ronnie Perkins, like you know it's he a human being,
Speaker 2: I don't know, So you don't really know if you're
Speaker 2: getting anything out of the rest of these guys. But
Speaker 2: but Tovai kind of solidifies that depth.
Speaker 1: And I would also.
Speaker 2: Say that they might view I view Keon White because
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty five pounds. I viewed Keon White
Speaker 2: as an end, as a hand in the dirt end.
Speaker 2: But maybe they think he can stand up. He does
Speaker 2: have great athleticism, so maybe they think that he can
Speaker 2: stand up better or worse the same out of this
Speaker 2: edge group.
Speaker 1: Same, maybe a little bit better if you just count
Speaker 1: on internal growth from guys like and Perkins and Jennings.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going same. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I asked you today about being more of
Speaker 2: every down player. He played forty percent of the snaps
Speaker 2: last year. I've always hoped that he was going to
Speaker 2: develop into a sixty sixty five seventy percent snap guy.
Speaker 2: His answer to me was interesting that everybody kind of
Speaker 2: he said, everybody has their role. Everybody has their role.
Speaker 2: It's about doing your job, maximizing your role. That that
Speaker 2: makes it sound to me like he knows I'm a
Speaker 2: situational pass rusher here. I'm not gonna play on first
Speaker 2: down unless it's some sort of matchup situation and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna rush the passer, which if he has eleven and
Speaker 2: a half sacks again then fine.
Speaker 1: Which meanwhile, too, there's nothing wrong with being a situational
Speaker 1: pass rusher. These guys are getting paid now like your
Speaker 1: full time players. Lucas van Ness just went in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen in the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, all right, so that's edge inside linebacker
Speaker 2: is a linebacker? Yeah, because the edge is edge. Jawan Bentley,
Speaker 2: Jelani Tavaiz in here as well, Raykwan, McMillan, mac Wilson,
Speaker 2: Marty Mapoo with the linebackers. Sure, aund on that linebacker,
Speaker 2: Marty Mapho, Chris Board, Terrez Hall, and the most surprising
Speaker 2: UDFA signing in the entire league all thirty two teams,
Speaker 2: Jordan Helig, who I almost put with the special teamers,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I have him here
Speaker 2: at linebackers. Who the heck knows.
Speaker 1: Because he already missed Calvin Mounson. So oh yeah, Kevin
Speaker 1: Muss with the special team. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know this for sure. I think there are
Speaker 1: teams that did not know he was in the draft.
Speaker 2: I think there are teams that didn't know he existed.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to pick on the kid, but
Speaker 2: he was at Appalachian State. He put his name in
Speaker 2: the portal right to transfer, and the idea was that
Speaker 2: he was going to go to some FCS school and
Speaker 2: be a stud linebacker at an FCS school and then maybe,
Speaker 2: like you know, Marty Mapho style, you know, get get
Speaker 2: his name out there and get into the draft. And
Speaker 2: the Patriots just called him up and offered him a contract.
Speaker 1: Well, oh, he took his name. That that that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He took his name out of the transfer
Speaker 1: portal and cleared for the draft. But it was I
Speaker 1: don't I'm still trying to figure out exactly how he
Speaker 1: technically did. This was after the deadline, Yeah, so wild.
Speaker 1: I think there may have been teams that legitimately didn't
Speaker 1: know he was available.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, even if they knew who So he's a
Speaker 2: he's a special teamer. He's a four faced special teams.
Speaker 1: But no, he played linebacker apps State, not very much.
Speaker 1: He had like fifty snaps in his career. Are you sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like I remember seeing all right. Well, he
Speaker 1: had a couple of impactful ones because I remember see him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, he I think there are teams that
Speaker 1: didn't know he was available, even if they were aware
Speaker 1: of him. Oh good for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: That's that's why that's why they paid Macro and Cam
Speaker 2: Williams the big bucks. Anyways, a better where it's the
Speaker 2: same at linebacker, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna hope for
Speaker 2: better because I'm I'm polish about Marty Mapu. I think
Speaker 2: this guy is a player like I. I maybe I've
Speaker 2: come around on him because I was harsh about it
Speaker 2: live because I was like, wait, who oh, yeah, that
Speaker 2: guy that got invited to the Senior Bowl after having
Speaker 2: a good end f l p A game even the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Admitted to me, Jim Nagy said he wasn't
Speaker 2: on our radar until the NFL p A game, Like
Speaker 2: he was not invited to the Senior Bowl until very
Speaker 2: very he was a call up to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: from the NFL p A game. And you know, Nikki
Speaker 2: made an interesting point that usually they they had the
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl the week before, so they had some call
Speaker 2: ups from the Shrine Bowl too, So now they're really
Speaker 2: going from what's that like, Honolulu Bowl, the the one
Speaker 2: that uh.
Speaker 1: The NFL, the NFL PA Bowl, and uy ay there's
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, because what's his name? The quarterback win
Speaker 1: m VP of both.
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say better. I'm
Speaker 2: really hopeful that the Patriots are are hoping that Marty
Speaker 2: Mapu and we'll see. I think the biggest thing is
Speaker 2: with him is that he is he gonna be healthy
Speaker 2: enough in camp with the shoulder to to go at
Speaker 2: full tilt and earn this role. But I think they're
Speaker 2: hopeful that that he's going to carve out that role.
Speaker 2: And I know it's not the sexiest thing in the world,
Speaker 2: but I think Chris Board is going to be a
Speaker 2: really good Patriot. Like I think that that's gonna be
Speaker 2: one of those guys that maybe not as useful on
Speaker 2: defense as as some of the other guys like an
Speaker 2: Adrian Phillips or someone like that, but just someone that
Speaker 2: fits the suit right, like just that's a Patriot, core
Speaker 2: special teams guy, good depth be So I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: a little bit better.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you on the I'm surprised to hear
Speaker 1: you say that about Chris Board. I've been comparing it
Speaker 1: to kind of like if Brandon Bolden played defense, like
Speaker 1: that kind of role where he's gonna be a core
Speaker 1: special teamer and he'll give you a bit on defense.
Speaker 1: We need him by the way, it's the Hula Bowl
Speaker 1: and hahwaii. Yeah, I knew something. Hula Bowl and the
Speaker 1: nfl PA Bowl in La Yah. Holton Aylors won MVP
Speaker 1: of both of them as well as the Birmingham Bull
Speaker 1: He just wins MVP of bowl games. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the NFL PA Bowl is the one that that
Speaker 2: got Marty map who on the that was the one
Speaker 2: No pun intended that that naggy and the Senior Bowl
Speaker 2: invited him off of they they heard from guys that
Speaker 2: were there, said, you got to see this kid, Marty
Speaker 2: mapp who from Sacramento stay.
Speaker 1: They pull up the film on him. They invited him
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl like the next day. So in
Speaker 1: middle linebackers hall say better kind of like the defensive line,
Speaker 1: they brought back literally everybody, and then they added Marte
Speaker 1: Mapu and Chris Board.
Speaker 2: So were you surprised. I think we've maybe touched on
Speaker 2: this a little bit, but I'm a little bit surprised
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson still here.
Speaker 1: For what they got him for.
Speaker 2: Not really, I guess, like I'm not surprised, Like I'm
Speaker 2: not saying they overpaid him or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: they basically benched him after he didn't push Josh Allen
Speaker 2: out of bounds in that in that first match up
Speaker 2: against Buffalo last year.
Speaker 1: And we played a lot on specialty. He's played a
Speaker 1: lot on special teams. Yeah. No, I'm saying for what
Speaker 1: they paid him, saying he got very little money. My
Speaker 1: guess was he didn't have a ton of options of
Speaker 1: where to go, right, and they we know this.
Speaker 2: It's a tough spot for him. I guess it's more
Speaker 2: of what I'm saying right, because he's not gonna play
Speaker 2: it's very.
Speaker 1: Well on defense. I think the idea is he's somewhere
Speaker 1: where he knows the system, so you can come out,
Speaker 1: have a really good camp and then maybe get cut
Speaker 1: and end up elsewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I definitely could see
Speaker 2: him getting cut in camp if Marty Mapp, who has
Speaker 2: has a real camp. Yeah, and uh and looks apart
Speaker 2: all right. Cornerbacks long list eleven guys, Christian Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones,
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Miles Bryant, a Mere speed Is,
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden, Sean Wade, Quadre Moseley, Rodney Randall, and Tajes.
Speaker 2: This has to be better. This is definitely better in there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, there's some special teamers. But you know
Speaker 2: guys that are I think are are gonna be working
Speaker 2: out at corner and training camp, right, you know they
Speaker 2: are still gonna be there. I think the most interesting
Speaker 2: thing to me about this group is other than Christian Gonzales,
Speaker 2: which that video yesterday did numbers and it was it
Speaker 2: was downright sexy. I told you guys, his hips didn't lie.
Speaker 2: He'd secure it all over the field. And rookie Minnie
Speaker 2: Camp apparently.
Speaker 1: What we saw so combine. He changes direction, he looks
Speaker 1: like he's on skates, he looks like he could be
Speaker 1: playing defenseman for the Bruins.
Speaker 2: And Girodmeo looks at him like he's a perfect ten,
Speaker 2: which I can appreciate.
Speaker 1: You include Jalen Mills. No, okay, I did not. Uh.
Speaker 2: The big thing for me, other than Christian Goanzalez is
Speaker 2: that I would like to see them make Marcus Jones
Speaker 2: the full time slot this year. And uh, I'm with
Speaker 2: the fans for the most the majority of fans that
Speaker 2: the time has come for Miles Bryant to be either
Speaker 2: significantly demoted or maybe he is a practice squad guy.
Speaker 2: That's a game day elevation when they need him that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. They have too much talent, like real
Speaker 2: cover talent on this roster. Now for guys like Miles
Speaker 2: Bryant to be playing serious time.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have so many matchup opportunities because my question is,
Speaker 1: where does Jonathan Jones play? I think before you can
Speaker 1: get to Marcus Jones, where does Jonathan Jones?
Speaker 2: I think he plays in the fields, Like I think
Speaker 2: he's he's with Z receivers like Tyreek Hill, like those
Speaker 2: move guys.
Speaker 1: So Jack Jones is the third guy, then.
Speaker 2: I think Jack Jones is really the fourth guy. I
Speaker 2: think Christian Gonzales is your outside boundary, John Jones your
Speaker 2: field corner, and I think Marcus Jones your slot, and I.
Speaker 1: Meant third on the like third boundary, yeah, third boundary guy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with But you also have the flexibility if you
Speaker 1: need to move Jonathan Jones inside, you could go because
Speaker 1: I think you could make an argument their three best
Speaker 1: corners are Christian Zalez, Jonathan Jones, and Jack Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and like then you get Mark. You take Marcus
Speaker 1: Jones off the field, which sucks because I just want
Speaker 1: him on the field.
Speaker 2: I want him on the field for so many reasons.
Speaker 2: I think inside too, he's gonna have that instinctive ability
Speaker 2: to like hunt the football a little bit more than
Speaker 2: if he's pressed up against the boundary. I just feel
Speaker 2: like there's a lot more capabilities there.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: The other thing you can do, like they're obviously built
Speaker 2: to match up really well against like teams like Miami.
Speaker 2: With those two guys, I think yeah, And then with
Speaker 2: the Bills, I do think in an absolute ideal world,
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales is so good that it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: addie type, what skill set, whatever, He's going to take
Speaker 2: the number one.
Speaker 1: To say, in ideal world, he clamps the fun digs.
Speaker 2: Right, in an ideal world, he can clamp the Von
Speaker 2: Diggs one week, and then he can clamp Garrett Wilson
Speaker 2: the next week, and then he can go, you know whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to pass. Jonathan Jones
Speaker 2: is the ideal guy against Tyreek Hill. But in terms
Speaker 2: of those, you know, the the more natural not not
Speaker 2: guys that run a four to one, right in an
Speaker 2: ideal world, but I think as a rookie, we could
Speaker 2: see a decent amount of Christian Gonzalez on an island
Speaker 2: against the number two and Jonathan Jones on the number
Speaker 2: one guy with help. Like, I think that that could
Speaker 2: be especially against Buffalo. Like it against Buffalo, it's Gonzales
Speaker 2: against Gabe Davis, and then it's Jonathan Jones with a
Speaker 2: bracket or with safety help over the top against the
Speaker 2: Von Diggs. Like, I think that that's more realistic because
Speaker 2: I don't want to put too much on Christian Gonzalez
Speaker 2: right away.
Speaker 1: The one other thing they could do, and this is
Speaker 1: now we're kind of getting ahead, but does Jonathan Jones
Speaker 1: You could put it and but this is all good
Speaker 1: because the reality is we're throwing out all these different options.
Speaker 1: They'll probably do all of these to some extent. Jonathan
Speaker 1: j sorry, Christian zoal Is on one boundary, Jack Jones
Speaker 1: on the other, Marcus Jones in the slot, and that
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones is your deep safety because we've seen him
Speaker 1: play there and he's playing as well right And I
Speaker 1: know people think that Jalen Mills is kind of gonna
Speaker 1: step in for Devin mccordy. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: by committee. Yea, I said before, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you get your three best corners on the field, and
Speaker 1: we do this with the offensive line all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put your five best out there. Find a way to
Speaker 1: make it work. If we're gonna apply that logic to
Speaker 1: the secondary, the way to get the most talent on
Speaker 1: the field is Jack Jones, Christian Zas on the boundary,
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones on the slot, Jonathan Jones, Kyle Kyle Dugart,
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips at safety. That's your most talented secondary those players,
Speaker 1: however you were arranging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the interesting thing, and we'll get to
Speaker 2: the safeties here in a second, is, Yeah, Jalen Mills
Speaker 2: is a is a little bit of a wild card.
Speaker 2: And I I don't think Jalen Mills is converting to
Speaker 2: safety to be a deep safety.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so either. I think he's a
Speaker 1: tight end stop. Yeah, I agree as well. So here's
Speaker 1: what I have at safe. Wait real, two more things
Speaker 1: on the corners. Yes, when Jalen Mills is it. I
Speaker 1: did this on Patriots Feat the other week. We actually
Speaker 1: did the depth charts for like base defense and passing
Speaker 1: down defense, Jalen Mills is coming on to almost take
Speaker 1: a linebacker off the field. Correct. When Jalen Mills comes on.
Speaker 1: It's to take a linebacker off to man up on
Speaker 1: a on a tight end, yes, or maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: a running back, big wide receiver. The other thing i'd
Speaker 1: say on Myles Bryant because you mentioned him real quick,
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant needs to if he's gonna play defense, play
Speaker 1: safety because as much as people want to hate on
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant, and I get it, he's looked bad. He is.
Speaker 1: He's not an NFL man cover corner. They have used
Speaker 1: him completely wrong. You can't put him on Isaia McKenzie.
Speaker 1: He's not fast enough.
Speaker 2: He's not a man corners. He's not fast enough to
Speaker 2: be a man corner. In the end, there are two
Speaker 2: play zone just fine.
Speaker 1: I will say there are two things Miles Bryant does
Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, he knows. He's very smart. He knows
Speaker 1: what he's looking at. He can dissect the play and
Speaker 1: he knows where he's supposed to go right now. Getting
Speaker 1: there quick enough is the other thing. But like he
Speaker 1: can get there, the other thing he does he's a
Speaker 1: surprisingly good tackler, especially for his size. And I know
Speaker 1: people will go back to that game against the Jets
Speaker 1: two years ago where he got like run over for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Yeah. Also the he got run over and
Speaker 1: by ninety pins all things considered, for a defensive back,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good tackler. Are you trying to disagree
Speaker 1: with me? No, I think he's a good tackler. I do.
Speaker 2: My point is is that, like we tend to isolate
Speaker 2: like one or two plays, Yeah, especially when it comes
Speaker 2: to tackling.
Speaker 1: I always hear this.
Speaker 2: And this is not to go on some like rant here,
Speaker 2: but I always hear people that that, and they call
Speaker 2: into the show, the email on the show too, that
Speaker 2: complain about the Patriots tackling. The Patriots are routinely, routinely
Speaker 2: one of the best tackling defenses in the NFL, like
Speaker 2: number one, like top five and in mistackle rate in
Speaker 2: the good way every single year, every single year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So what Dad tells you is that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of mistackles every single week. It's hard to tackle these guys, Okay.
Speaker 1: Especially now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hard to tackle these guys. The Patriots
Speaker 2: are one of the best tackling defenses in the league.
Speaker 1: So to go to bring it back to Miles Bryant,
Speaker 1: he recognizes plays well, he's a good tackler. To me,
Speaker 1: if he's gonna play on defense, I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: should be the replacement for Devin mccordy, but as a
Speaker 1: sub deep safety. Put him on the back end where
Speaker 1: everything's in front of him. He's coming up on the play,
Speaker 1: he's not chasing to put him on the back end.
Speaker 1: Let him diagnose the play in front of him, step up,
Speaker 1: make the play in that role as like a reserve
Speaker 1: in that kind of role, not terrible, he'd be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he's gonna give you what you need.
Speaker 1: And then he play him on special But at best
Speaker 1: he's a dinebacker, right, he's like the sixth defensive back
Speaker 1: on What I'm saying is stop putting him out there
Speaker 1: is a true slot corner to man up receivers. He
Speaker 1: can't do that, But that's not indicative of the player
Speaker 1: he is. He does other things well. I just think
Speaker 1: his rookie year, his rookie year in twenty twenty, he
Speaker 1: was actually asked to do a lot of what he
Speaker 1: did well, and I think he looked pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the last two years, they haven't necessarily asked him to
Speaker 1: do what he does best, not a lot, and I
Speaker 1: think they should try to get back to.
Speaker 2: That fair enough safeties Kyle Dugar, Adrian Phillips, ja Bill Peppers,
Speaker 2: Jalen Mills, Joshua bred Bledsoe, and Brad Hawkins.
Speaker 1: So I say a Boldon might be a safety too
Speaker 1: every time in my corner right now, that's fair, But
Speaker 1: I think he might be a safety.
Speaker 2: So I have to say worse about this group because
Speaker 2: I have just way too much damn respect for Devin
Speaker 2: Saturday to say better or even Sam, So I have
Speaker 2: to say worse for this group.
Speaker 1: But I am.
Speaker 2: Really as a as a film junkies and nerds that
Speaker 2: we are, I am just really fascinated to see how
Speaker 2: exactly they go about replacing Devin mccordy and who plays
Speaker 2: where and what that's gonna be. Something that I'll probably
Speaker 2: do a breakdown at some point on and really log
Speaker 2: like who's where and what role and things like that.
Speaker 2: The main thing that I think here, I believe that
Speaker 2: between Adrian Phillips and Kyle Dugger, those two guys I
Speaker 2: think are gonna be the true free safeties in this group.
Speaker 2: They'll probably be a little bit interchangeable and they'll probably
Speaker 2: play a little bit more split safety than we've seen
Speaker 2: them in the past. Are too high, you know'll cover
Speaker 2: two style. Jalen Mills to me, is there to cover
Speaker 2: tight ends. I think that's just gonna be his role,
Speaker 2: and that then frees up Dugger of course, to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a rover or like a
Speaker 2: rat or a deep safety and be a little bit
Speaker 2: more of that instinctive ballhwker in the middle of the defense,
Speaker 2: which I think has a lot of value.
Speaker 1: One of the big things.
Speaker 2: That I've always thought about Dugger and I hope that
Speaker 2: this is the long term plan, and I hope he
Speaker 2: is in the long term plans. By the way, is
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's his best use is covering
Speaker 2: tight ends. I think that that really pigeonholes him to
Speaker 2: not being able to make as much impact on the
Speaker 2: ball as he truly could. I've always said that I
Speaker 2: think he's Rodney Harrison right like I think ideally he's
Speaker 2: a guy that like Rodney, who would just fill up
Speaker 2: the stat sheet like don't you think presser on the quarterback,
Speaker 2: forrest fumbles, interceptions, tackles like always around the ball, And
Speaker 2: that's really what I want to see them do with
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggart because that type of playmaking, I think it
Speaker 2: would really help out this defense, especially now that they
Speaker 2: have Christian Gonzales to kind of steady the back end
Speaker 2: a little bit more where it's can have some players
Speaker 2: that are maybe a little bit more volatile, right and
Speaker 2: kind of going for those big plays instead of just
Speaker 2: always playing positionally soundball. I just really liked the idea
Speaker 2: of Kyle dugger being a little bit more free, Like
Speaker 2: let's let's let's take the training wheels off. Let's stop
Speaker 2: putting him on the tight end where he just has
Speaker 2: this one guy and that's just his assignment on this play,
Speaker 2: and let's make him a jack of all trades, like truly,
Speaker 2: because he's got that type of athleticism and he's got
Speaker 2: that type of nose for the football. So like they
Speaker 2: used to do with Rodney right, like just everywhere, that's
Speaker 2: what I want to see them be with Kyle Duggar.
Speaker 1: So on the safety position as a whole, I say better,
Speaker 1: kind of like it's the opposite. Remember last week and
Speaker 1: we did offensive line, it was I feel better, but
Speaker 1: like it doesn't really mean much. Yeah, I feel worse,
Speaker 1: I guess because they don't have Devin mccorty, but it
Speaker 1: still might be the best position group on the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gives him a lot more flexibility because
Speaker 2: and Devin even said this, like you always knew where
Speaker 2: Devin was gonna be.
Speaker 1: There's a little ewing theory going on here.
Speaker 2: Devin is a center fielder, and you always knew he
Speaker 2: was going to be there, and it kind of made
Speaker 2: everybody else, like Kyle Dugger, it made them fit into
Speaker 2: other roles, right, Like Kyle Dugger had had to learn
Speaker 2: the Chung style role because that was his way on
Speaker 2: the field because he wasn't going to play free safety
Speaker 2: because Devin McCarty was blocking him at playing from playing
Speaker 2: free safety. So he just had to be that. Maybe
Speaker 2: there is an even better level for Kyle Duggar now
Speaker 2: that Devin McCarty isn't here in a weird way, even
Speaker 2: though the team as a whole I think gets worse
Speaker 2: from Devin McCarty, I think there's individual players, Kyle Duggar especially,
Speaker 2: that might get better from Devin mccorty not being here
Speaker 2: in his own vacuum, right, not not saying as an
Speaker 2: entire defense.
Speaker 1: I yeah, just on Dougger real quick. It's to sort
Speaker 1: of bring back the conversation we had last week. And
Speaker 1: I'm not asking I'm not asking you this to pick
Speaker 1: a fight. I'm asking this because I'm legitimately asking you,
Speaker 1: said Rodney Harrison. Yeah, if Rodney Harrison enters the league
Speaker 1: now with position to see play here or everywhere, just
Speaker 1: in like if he was in the trouble linebacker, Yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and that's the role you want, Kyle Duggar.
Speaker 2: I want Kyle Duggar to basically be a rover, like
Speaker 2: I want him to not have an assignment. I want
Speaker 2: him to just play football like Seaball, get ball, Kyle, Like,
Speaker 2: that's all I want, because you know what I really
Speaker 2: want in my my my Wildest dreams Taylor Swift reference.
Speaker 1: You like that? Okay he didn't know that, did you? No?
Speaker 1: God damn, come on, that was a good one. Is
Speaker 1: that one of our songs in my wild Dreams? Yes? Uh?
Speaker 1: I like my Wildest Dreams?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Duggar, you to see him like streaking across
Speaker 2: the field and Josh Allen's trying to scramble and Kyle
Speaker 2: Duggar just comes out of nowhere and just lights him up.
Speaker 2: Like that's that's that's what I want Sea Wall get ball, Kyle,
Speaker 2: whether you're in zone and you're you're playing the football
Speaker 2: in the air, or you're attacking the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 2: and he when they allow him to do that, that's
Speaker 2: how we had what five defensive touchdowns or whatever, the
Speaker 2: three defensive touchdowns whatever it was last year. Like, that's
Speaker 2: how you get to that number is because he's just
Speaker 2: he's just flying.
Speaker 1: So you want him to be a guy that could
Speaker 1: push like thirty thirty. Yeah, interesting, I do You're essentially
Speaker 1: he's Rodney Harris. You want him to be box safety
Speaker 1: at Red Yes, interesting Rodney Harrison. Okay, yeah, you're not right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's only two thirty thirty guys, Rodney Harrison, ray Lewis.
Speaker 1: That's it, Rodney Harrison. Thirty thirty being interceptions and yeah
Speaker 1: we're interceptions crews. We're gonna get the specialists. Don't worry.
Speaker 2: I know you're worried about us doing the specialists here
Speaker 2: in a second, but I want to take Patty from
Speaker 2: Aguam on the phone. Thanks for hanging on, Patty.
Speaker 3: What's up hey anytime? Guys?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 3: What you're talking about? Defense? Is it crazy to think
Speaker 3: that if this defense is statistically like a top three
Speaker 3: but they also look and play like a top three
Speaker 3: defense this year. And I'm going to give you, guys
Speaker 3: my my offensive breakout player. I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be Max this year. And if like Mac has seasons
Speaker 3: similar to like what he looked like his senior year
Speaker 3: in Alabama. I'm not saying that he's gonna like throw
Speaker 3: for forty eight touchdowns and five thousand yards, but if
Speaker 3: he looks if he looks like he can play. Is
Speaker 3: it crazy to think that this team could win like
Speaker 3: between ten and twelve games this year.
Speaker 2: I think I think twelve is pushing it a little bit.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy for them to win ten
Speaker 2: ten games if Mac, yeah, a step, but I don't
Speaker 2: think it's crazy. But I love the optimism Patty that
Speaker 2: that Matt Jhones is your breakout player. I like that,
Speaker 2: and I think certainly, and thanks for the call, Patty,
Speaker 2: I think certainly, the the way that they get to
Speaker 2: that level is if Mac breaks out right, like that's
Speaker 2: the only way, exactly Like I as much as I
Speaker 2: i'm I'm bullish on the defense, I think the defense
Speaker 2: is gonna be good. I think the collection of players
Speaker 2: on offense is going to be better because of the coaching.
Speaker 2: But the only way that they truly let's not I
Speaker 2: don't even like, let's forget about win totals. The only
Speaker 2: way they win a playoff game or are truly competitive
Speaker 2: in a playoff game, so that means they made the
Speaker 2: playoffs and they potentially win one is if mac Jones
Speaker 2: has a breakout year. Right, that's it, right, That's what
Speaker 2: it comes down to you. All right, let's do your specialists.
Speaker 2: I have specialists, and I have cover jases, right, I
Speaker 2: have we're doing too Oh wow, you really got it.
Speaker 2: So on specialists, we're not doing kicker, puncher, long snap
Speaker 2: for alsover on, they're they're just specialists. We have you
Speaker 2: realize that they have competition at every spot. Yeah, which
Speaker 2: is kind of funny technically yeaheah. Joe Cardona, Tucker Addington,
Speaker 2: Nick Folk, Chad Ryland, Bryce Behringer, crawless weightman crawlss.
Speaker 1: That was cordless cordless cordless weightman. No, now you have
Speaker 1: me confused.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's cordless. You're right, Uh, better, We're same.
Speaker 2: Is kind of hard on this one because we don't
Speaker 2: know what the rookies are. If they're gonna be able
Speaker 2: to look they're better at punter.
Speaker 1: They're better That's what I was gonna say. They got
Speaker 1: to better punter. They're better punter. Kicker is a question mark.
Speaker 1: It's like, how real did you think Nick folks slide
Speaker 1: was at the end of last year. But the reality
Speaker 1: is even if there's a chance that that was a
Speaker 1: sign of just this is who he is now, he's
Speaker 1: thirty seventies done. Yeah, you so want to get ahead
Speaker 1: of it at kicker. You don't want to have a
Speaker 1: kicker mid season who doesn't have kickckick in long term,
Speaker 1: they're in better shape. And they just made Joe cardonat
Speaker 1: the highest paid well for like a month, he was
Speaker 1: the highest pay right snapper in the NFL's got broken.
Speaker 1: Tucker Addington is here for a training camp and that's it.
Speaker 1: I wonder, let me just point that out there. Everybody
Speaker 1: freaked out that they are. Why do they have to
Speaker 1: make in the highest paid long snapper's highest paid anymore?
Speaker 1: I think was the Ravens guy broke it. Every long
Speaker 1: snapper that gets paid becomes the highest paid long snapper.
Speaker 1: It's get paid, right anyways, Uh, that's just what you do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put a little bit of pressure
Speaker 1: on Chad Ryland. Chad Ryland has to be has to
Speaker 1: win that competition. If you're gonna tell me that you
Speaker 1: used a fourth round pick on the guy you're cutting
Speaker 1: because Nick folks a better kicker than him, that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to pill this wall. They need Chad
Speaker 1: Ryland to work out. They do.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's like the end of the world,
Speaker 2: like you know, Fire Belichick is the kicker you No,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but they really need that to work.
Speaker 1: And you can't miss on two kicker picks.
Speaker 2: And especially when you're Dick in the fourth round, when
Speaker 2: you have all these other needs and you take a
Speaker 2: kicker anyways, you right it up for him, which like
Speaker 2: I don't really care about, but like that's also a
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: That was where they had to take him to get him,
Speaker 1: because the Niners took Moody ninety nine. That's the game.
Speaker 1: They were playing the game. But if he doesn't pan out,
Speaker 1: it looks like they panicked that Moody went and they
Speaker 1: just took the next guy. Yeah, yeah, there is there
Speaker 1: is some weight on that pick.
Speaker 2: There is one hundred all right cover Jases, and there's
Speaker 2: obviously some some guys like Chris Board and maybe some
Speaker 2: of the rookie corners like Bolden and a mere Speed
Speaker 2: that might factor in here. But these are just pure
Speaker 2: cover Jason in my mind. Matthew Slater, De Marcus Mitchell,
Speaker 2: Cody Davis, Brennan Scooer, Calvin Munson, and Roley Webb.
Speaker 1: Same, same, maybe a little better, just because you figure
Speaker 1: they get Cody Davis back, right, they lost him last
Speaker 1: year early on the speaky one. We don't know what
Speaker 1: he'll look like. He had a pretty serious injury and
Speaker 1: will he be the same guy, but same, maybe a
Speaker 1: little better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Sam, I think Sam, But I do
Speaker 2: think as a unit. I mean, the amount of resources
Speaker 2: that they've invested into special teams this offseason to make
Speaker 2: that unit better is kind of wild, like when you.
Speaker 1: Really forget too Actually, because you did this last week
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. You brought up Bill O'Brien to say
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will be better. Joe Judge is back over
Speaker 1: there now. Yeah, so yeah, I'll say better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you invest this much and I and look,
Speaker 2: I know a lot of fans already there with cam accord, Like,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people out there. I
Speaker 2: get this once a week, like like why does camic
Speaker 2: cord still have a job? Right, Like I can't even
Speaker 2: tell you how many times I've heard that I am
Speaker 2: with Bill on this. I think camccord's a good coach.
Speaker 2: I think I think he loves football. I think he
Speaker 2: loves special teams. And you need to love special teams
Speaker 2: to be a special teams coach.
Speaker 1: Like that's not.
Speaker 2: There's so many weird nuances to knowing anything about special
Speaker 2: teams that if you're really going to nerd out and
Speaker 2: learn about like angles of like holding wherever when he
Speaker 2: taught us that, like the different Like if you're really
Speaker 2: gonna nerd out and learn how about learn about stuff
Speaker 2: like that? To coach it, you gotta really love it,
Speaker 2: Like there's I'm sorry, you're not gonna sit there and
Speaker 2: worry about oh, like I like it tilted like a
Speaker 2: on a this way or that way or this, you know,
Speaker 2: depending on the win and this and then that, Like
Speaker 2: you're not gonna do all that kind of stuff if
Speaker 2: you're not really into it. I think he's got the
Speaker 2: passion for it. I think he brings great energy and
Speaker 2: I do think that he's a good a good coach.
Speaker 2: But you have now taken two specialists in the draft.
Speaker 2: You have paid Joe Cordona, you have signed Chris Board,
Speaker 2: you have all these cover jases right, all the guys
Speaker 2: I just named, Like, does any other team carry six
Speaker 2: guys into training camp that are really only gonna play
Speaker 2: on special teams? I don't think that that's really that
Speaker 2: common across the league. They definitely need to see results
Speaker 2: on special teams this year because they've put a ton
Speaker 2: of resources personnel wise into it. And we always retry
Speaker 2: to read between the lines with Bill. He clearly thinks
Speaker 2: that personnel was the issue last year on special team
Speaker 2: because that's that's what they've done and they've completely revamped it.
Speaker 2: So they got to be really good in that phase,
Speaker 2: like not just better than last year and not you know,
Speaker 2: have the disasters that they had last year on special teams.
Speaker 2: They need to be like what they were a couple
Speaker 2: of years.
Speaker 1: They need to be winning games on special teams. They
Speaker 1: should be blocking kicks and housing returns and things like
Speaker 1: that that decide games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, flipping the field with the new punter, things like that,
Speaker 2: So there's better worse to saying for the entire roster.
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned that you can go back and listen
Speaker 2: to offense from last week. We did defense special teams
Speaker 2: this week, so we covered all of the bases. A
Speaker 2: couple of final things exciting that we'll get out to
Speaker 2: OTA's next week, so we'll have OTAs from eleven to
Speaker 2: one fifteen. I think is like the time that we
Speaker 2: were told today is going to generally be it. So
Speaker 2: we'll have Catch twenty two on Thursday afternoon. Two o'clock
Speaker 2: might be pushing it. We might be a little bit
Speaker 2: later than normal, but we'll do it right fresh off
Speaker 2: of observing OTA, so you'll have a full OTA recap
Speaker 2: from us, and we'll do that after every single OTA,
Speaker 2: so that will be a lot of fun and you
Speaker 2: can have all of a wu'll empty the notebook on
Speaker 2: that one, like we'll give you all the everything that
Speaker 2: happened and everything that went on at OTAs before we
Speaker 2: get to OTA's though, alex I just dropped a perfectly
Speaker 2: placed Taylor Swift reference that went right over your head.
Speaker 2: Which one was the Wildest Dreams one, which is one
Speaker 2: of her biggest songs. So I'm a little disappointed in you.
Speaker 2: This is like nothing I have seen, Like this might
Speaker 2: be more than like a home.
Speaker 1: AFC championship game.
Speaker 2: What's going on right now for this concert?
Speaker 1: This is wild.
Speaker 2: The amount of people that were down here just to
Speaker 2: buy merch on like a random Thursday morning. I pull
Speaker 2: up to the stadium before avails this morning and there's
Speaker 2: like a line out the freaking parking lot to just
Speaker 2: buy a T shirt that says Taylor Swift on it.
Speaker 2: Your face is telling me that you have no f's
Speaker 2: about this whatsoever. But these three days are this is like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is one of the biggest events in
Speaker 2: in Foxborough history. I think that's that's safe to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean it's cool. It's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. He does not care. Yeah, give me one
Speaker 1: tailor shift. You gotta have one? Are you ready for it?
Speaker 1: Was the ESPN college football theme in twenty seventeen. I
Speaker 1: think you had that answer. No, I like, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we used to when I was in college.
Speaker 1: Was when I think it's uh is it red? Is
Speaker 1: the album with like twenty two in trouble? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we used to blast that all the time. I
Speaker 1: kind of stopped following her after that. Yeah, not like
Speaker 1: still I'm obviously still aware of it, but that was
Speaker 1: like my peak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Red in nineteen eighty nine. We were
Speaker 2: in college for both of those. Those were huge. Her
Speaker 2: new stuff is still good, it's still it's still bops.
Speaker 2: I'm a bops guy, like I like, I like the
Speaker 2: pop stuff becaus.
Speaker 1: Like she's got it's gotten to the point where it's
Speaker 1: so much like the mythology of Taylor Stift and all that,
Speaker 1: and that's where you lose me. So I don't have
Speaker 1: the energy to follow. Well, here's the thing I was
Speaker 1: talking to.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know this is recently, not not very recently,
Speaker 2: but somewhat recently. My dad and my uncle on my
Speaker 2: dad's side are real big into music, like you know, seventies. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, is like they're big decade, I would say,
Speaker 2: But they're really into music, and you know, they they
Speaker 2: grew up and they had so many great acts, like
Speaker 2: so many great all time bands, you know, Rolling Stones,
Speaker 2: the Who's Zeppelin, like just go on down the line,
Speaker 2: and even like single acts like Elton John and Bruce
Speaker 2: and Billy Joel and Madonna and like all these and
Speaker 2: when you really think about it in our generation, like
Speaker 2: she's kind of it, like she's the only one that
Speaker 2: touches that.
Speaker 1: There like, aren't many acts that can fill up an
Speaker 1: entire stadium for two three.
Speaker 2: Nights, three straight nights right completely sold out.
Speaker 1: I mean it's her Foo Fighters I think did back
Speaker 1: to back nights sold out here kind of recently. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Green Days up there. Green Days the one like rock
Speaker 1: band that I can think of that has some of that.
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's just a lot of the bigger
Speaker 1: acts now they couldn't sell our Chellette, not multiple nights,
Speaker 1: so she could have done a fourth night and still
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, like she could get down a week
Speaker 1: she had done residency. The really interesting there's from a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Somebody wrote this piece about how
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is essentially our generation's Bruce Springsteen. There's the
Speaker 1: same sort of culture around her and her music and
Speaker 1: all of that. I always think of that one because
Speaker 1: my parents are big Bruce people. That's been passed down
Speaker 1: to me. I'm a big Bruce fan, and when I
Speaker 1: look at what's going on here and all of that,
Speaker 1: Obviously it's different now because Bruce's fans are older, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to say his contents so watered down,
Speaker 1: but he's done what ten times, if not one hundred
Speaker 1: times the shows the Taylor's done. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: it's been done. When I kind of look at all this,
Speaker 1: I see it. I can kind of see that similarity.
Speaker 1: So that being said, I have hiped for Bruce in August.
Speaker 1: Get that that's gonna be on a Thursday, So I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll have a show that day, but.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be wild this whole concert. Like, don't if
Speaker 2: you have no purpose to come down here Friday through Sunday,
Speaker 2: do not come down here, like this is gonna be mayhem.
Speaker 2: And I also will say, because I already said this
Speaker 2: to you off the air, don't come down here trying
Speaker 2: to tailgate and just like listen to the concert from outside,
Speaker 2: because like there there's gonna be police. And still like
Speaker 2: they're not letting that, they're not letting that happen, because
Speaker 2: there's been other that's happened in other locations on this
Speaker 2: tour that people have just posted up outside the venue
Speaker 2: and listened to it from the parking lot, and that's
Speaker 2: not gonna go down here, like they're gonna be really strict.
Speaker 1: I grew up like really close to the stadium. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like really close to the point where so two things.
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of my old I don't
Speaker 1: live there anymore, My parents don't live there anymore. But
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of my old neighbors the
Speaker 1: other day. We used to know Sunday's in the fall,
Speaker 1: and then when there were certain concerts, you go out,
Speaker 1: you get what you need to get done. On Saturday,
Speaker 1: you're gonna stay it. Sunday is a day to stay
Speaker 1: in and they are very like for the week. They're
Speaker 1: like they went to the supermarket. They got stocked up.
Speaker 1: Because I could be able to get to the sup
Speaker 1: mark with all this. The other thing we used to
Speaker 1: do that was very cool. You mentioned that people couldn't
Speaker 1: go and can't come and just sit outside unch the
Speaker 1: concert on the right night, I could sit in my backyard.
Speaker 1: I remember Beyonce was here in Beyonce and Jay was
Speaker 1: at that. Was that twenty eleven, twenty eleven or twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was it that long ago? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was in high school and a couple of my buddies came.
Speaker 1: It came over early in the day because didn't want
Speaker 1: deal with traffic. Yeah, and we sat out in the backyard.
Speaker 1: We had the girl going. We could hear the concert. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if if my parents still live there, that's what
Speaker 1: I would go and listen from there. That was. That
Speaker 1: was some fun memories. And I'll just since I'm telling
Speaker 1: the story because it's a Patriots podcast, I'll bring it
Speaker 1: back to this. I remember like in I remember for
Speaker 1: some reason, I remember specifically in O seven. I could
Speaker 1: probably do it other seasons. I would like listen to
Speaker 1: the game. I have a TV in my room. Grown up,
Speaker 1: I'd listened to the game. My parents didn't let me.
Speaker 1: I listened to the game on the radio. Gil Santos, right,
Speaker 1: but I would get spoilers because my window was a open.
Speaker 1: You can hear I can hear the crowd go nuts,
Speaker 1: and that'd be. But meanwhile, Gil's still setting up first
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, what's gonna happen here we go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good off season topic. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too long here. But I
Speaker 2: think people like Gil Santos are just like that's such
Speaker 2: a his voice. It will be in like the soundtrack
Speaker 2: to I Will Never Forget Childhood.
Speaker 1: I Will never forget it.
Speaker 2: What a legend really quickly, Yeah, the Celtics, Like, I
Speaker 2: gotta get something off my chest about the Celtics from
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: Because it's been killing me.
Speaker 2: The main thing that I find so frustrating about the
Speaker 2: Celtics team is really two things, but they're related. One,
Speaker 2: they only win games one way. They really only win
Speaker 2: games one way. And when I mean one way, I
Speaker 2: mean like one style, right, Like, they only win they
Speaker 2: can't win playing the other team's pace or playing the
Speaker 2: other team's way. And if the other team, like last night,
Speaker 2: you know, Spo I thought, had a good game plan
Speaker 2: to kind of get them out of the drive and
Speaker 2: kick three point barrage that they put on a Philly
Speaker 2: in Game seven. If they don't play to that script,
Speaker 2: they don't win. And I don't know if you this
Speaker 2: is I think where all the skepticism and all the
Speaker 2: distrust in this team comes from is because if you
Speaker 2: can't win in you know, one, two, three, four different ways,
Speaker 2: it's really hard to win a title that way. Like
Speaker 2: it's really hard to win sixteen games in the postseason
Speaker 2: when you need to win sixteen of them carbon copies
Speaker 2: of each other. And even in football, like the Patriots out,
Speaker 2: how many different types of games to the Dynasty era
Speaker 2: Patriots win, you know, like right, defensive battles, offensive out,
Speaker 2: you know, shootouts, like middle grounds, like they just they
Speaker 2: won them in so many different ways. The Celtics team
Speaker 2: wins one way, it's Missoula ball, it's forty threes, it's
Speaker 2: drive and kick, it's it's the same thing. It's one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty points like that. That's how this team wins.
Speaker 2: And I think that's where a lot of the distress
Speaker 2: comes from. The second thing, that third quarter, Like you
Speaker 2: can't have that third quarter. You can't be you can't
Speaker 2: win championships with giving up forty six point quarters like that, right,
Speaker 2: And so that that's where it all comes from. But
Speaker 2: with all that said, I still like them in the series.
Speaker 2: I still like them to win it all. Like I
Speaker 2: still think that it doesn't matter, Like I still think
Speaker 2: that they're good enough there it might not matter, but man,
Speaker 2: watching them.
Speaker 1: As a roller coaster, it is a roller coaster, been
Speaker 1: a thing. They've been a bad third quarter team in
Speaker 1: the playoffs since last year. It's the you know, they've
Speaker 1: been a negative team and.
Speaker 2: They're so Jacqueline Hyde and it's it's it's it's tired.
Speaker 2: Though I'm tired, here's what I'll say about it. And yeah,
Speaker 2: they need to be better in the third quarter, and
Speaker 2: they still certainly can win the series. But I told
Speaker 2: people not to sleep on this Miami Heat team.
Speaker 1: I told people, we're not sleep it's such a people
Speaker 1: are sleep I think a lot of people saw them
Speaker 1: as an eight seed. No, they don't think Jimmy Butler
Speaker 1: is a superstar. Jimmy Butler is a superstar, but a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't think so. And I think the
Speaker 1: T and T bro oh, I mean, that's ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: the T and T broadcast, I think said it well
Speaker 1: at halftime. If you were to draft the two teams
Speaker 1: like old school on a playground, like here's these twenty
Speaker 1: four guy mass draft the series, Felgri and Mas draft.
Speaker 2: The series, Jimmy Butler might be the number one guy drafted,
Speaker 2: might be. I think him and Jason Tatum both have
Speaker 2: a case. And bam Adebaio certainly gets drafted early. Yeah,
Speaker 2: other than like how many straight Celtics do you get?
Speaker 1: After that? The different but the Heat. They they play
Speaker 1: so far above their talent level because the motor is
Speaker 1: just insane.
Speaker 2: That that was one thing that I was reminded of
Speaker 2: last night because the Celticants were up nine at the
Speaker 2: half and they just kept coming, man right, and they're
Speaker 2: like they just put their head down and they keep coming.
Speaker 1: In that spot, the Sixers would have quit. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Heat actually played better when you're behind. It's terrible, like
Speaker 1: so infuriating to watch the Heat play. Yeah, they are.
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on them. I'm not sleeping on them.
Speaker 2: On them, I would love to root for them like
Speaker 2: they're they're a perfect basketball team. I will root for
Speaker 2: them in the finals and they're a perfect beast.
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't root for teams like that.
Speaker 2: Can't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna root against the Lakers.
Speaker 2: Obviously, I root against teams, but like people ask me, like, oh, like, like,
Speaker 2: who are you rooting for in the hockey playoffs with
Speaker 2: the Ruins out?
Speaker 1: Nobody, no one, everybody loses Vegas, just armageddon. Bruce Cassidy,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back next week, and hopefully we're
Speaker 1: back to talk about the Celtics winning that series, or
Speaker 1: at least being ahead in this yeriares or something like that.
Speaker 1: But like I mentioned, we'll be back and we'll recap
Speaker 1: o ta's first o TA practice next Thursday. We're looking
Speaker 1: forward to it until then, signing off for Alex Bartha'm
Speaker 1: Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening to everybody, and we'll see
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