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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Bazar Blazar from Blazarre. Hello, everybody

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Speaker 1: nailed it, joined us.

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Speaker 2: Always buy our bark.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars Thanksgiving and be

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Speaker 1: nice to Thanksgiving off also selfish? Well yeah, no, it

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Speaker 1: is totally selfish. It is on my bucket list to

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Speaker 1: go to the Iron Bowl Alabama auverge. This is what

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Speaker 1: is like the only way I'll ever be able.

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Speaker 2: To do it for the Patriots in terms of the

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Speaker 2: competitive Look asked, what I when you're just talking about

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Speaker 2: how you want to go to the Iron Ball, So

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Speaker 2: you hope that the bye week is the week of

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Speaker 2: the Iron Bolt. Well, we're gonna do some schedule today

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Speaker 2: and we have the actual schedule. Now we're not just

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Speaker 2: going off of rumors like we were last week. And Alex,

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Speaker 2: do you get to go to the Iron Bowl?

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Speaker 1: You gotta go to the Iron Bowl? You don't? No,

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Speaker 1: look at his face, you get to go? You get

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Speaker 1: do you get to go to I won't say yeah.

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Speaker 2: We had the discussion off the so we I mean,

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Speaker 2: the schedule's out like we Patriots tweeted out the preseason schedule.

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Speaker 2: So I have tickets just and I have tickets to

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Speaker 2: Zach Brown Band on August nineteenth, which we just found out.

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Speaker 2: I will be in Green Bay for Patriots Packers preseason

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Speaker 2: week number two. So guess who is not going to

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Speaker 2: Zach Wild.

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Speaker 1: I bought tickets for Bruce Springsteen here at Chillette that

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Speaker 1: Saturday because I said, oh, they always played preseason on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: I'll get the Saturday tickets. You looked out games on Friday,

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Speaker 1: I get to do both. You looked out man, So

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Speaker 1: Iron Bowl have to wait, but I get to see Bruce.

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Speaker 2: God, I'm in trouble. Anyways, We're gonna be with you

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Speaker 2: for the next hour, so you know, we sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: an hour and a half, sometimes it's hour ten. You know,

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Speaker 2: we don't really have a set time here, so I

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Speaker 2: just kind of say hour or so that's the best

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Speaker 2: I can do. But we're gonna do some schedule because

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Speaker 2: we were on the show last Thursday while the rumors

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Speaker 2: were trickling out about the Patriots schedule, but we weren't

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Speaker 2: on the show and we had the actual schedule in hand.

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Speaker 2: So I have some thoughts, Alex, I'm sure you have

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Speaker 2: some thoughts. On the Patriots schedule and then we'll do

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Speaker 2: better worse, same the defense we did offense last week.

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Speaker 2: And then we can take your calls made five to

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Speaker 2: five Pats five hundred, or your emails at web radio

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Speaker 2: at Patriots dot com for any and all other Patriots

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Speaker 2: inquiries or if you have a take on what we're

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Speaker 2: talking about. It's all on the table for you. So

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Speaker 2: just give us a call and we'll discuss.

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Speaker 1: We're taking Taylor Swift calls.

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Speaker 2: We are taking Taylor Swift calls, and we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: We're gonna do it Taylor Swift. Maybe a Celtics minute too,

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Speaker 2: if you can sneak it in. But because I have

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Speaker 2: takes about my Celtics and I have, Yeah, I'll wear

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Speaker 2: this one. It's my Celtics, and I'll uh, we have

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Speaker 2: some Taylor thoughts. You know, I like Taylor. You know

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Speaker 2: I enjoy her music, not enough to buy a ticket

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Speaker 2: to the Concert of the Millennium. I'm not gonna lie,

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Speaker 2: but I've been known to turn on some Swift every

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Speaker 2: once in a while, especially like it's really good music.

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Speaker 2: And I said, I think I said this the other day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if were air, but when we're coming

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Speaker 2: The behay is in the barn, as they say. And

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Speaker 2: we have a little bit of a plane ride and

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Speaker 2: I just need something to just tune out windows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just stare out the playoff across the country. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Watching myself fly above the clouds while listening to some

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Speaker 2: some Taylor Swift is not a.

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Speaker 1: Horrible It's called main character syndrome. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: that means. It's people will get that joke. You're not

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Speaker 1: alone in that, You're not alone.

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Speaker 2: No, it's just it's like it's like good soothing background music.

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Speaker 2: It's poppy, it's light, it's not anything serious. It's not

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm a rap fan, as you know, but

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Speaker 2: I like some Taylor Swift. We'll give some thoughts on

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Speaker 2: So I think my two biggest takeaways from the schedule. One,

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Speaker 2: if they're own four out of the gate, and there

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Speaker 2: goes your football season, right. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: we are going to learn a lot about this team,

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Speaker 2: and I think in general the two things that are

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Speaker 2: forward to is learning about the defense, Like can this

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Speaker 2: can this defense take that next step from being elite

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Speaker 1: To elade against everybody?

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Speaker 2: And I think that that's really what I'm hoping to

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Speaker 2: that roasts Bill Belichick's defense, right, a mobile quarterback option

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Speaker 2: throw the football to, great offensive line. On paper, the

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Speaker 2: Eagles hang forty on the Patriots on Opening Night. Can

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Speaker 2: stop and shut down an elite offense and a good

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Speaker 1: Those types of things.

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Speaker 2: The other thing I think out of that is Mac Jones, Like,

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Speaker 2: by winning a game against Jalen Hurts thirty eight thirty

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna learn a lot about them, but you're

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Speaker 2: also in jeopardy of falling too far underwater, right, Like

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Speaker 2: They to me, to have a real chance at a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is. My you know, general takeaway, I've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of them, the big picture one. In

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways, this is structured similarly to their

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Speaker 1: schedule the last few years. Starts tough, you've got kind

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Speaker 1: you close with a gauntlet once again. And that's what

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Speaker 1: it was in twenty twenty one. That's what it was

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Speaker 1: seven games. This year it's what three four games, and

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Speaker 1: that includes a game in Germany, which I think by

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Speaker 1: default isn't easy, even if maybe the Colts aren't the

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Speaker 1: not it's you blink and you'll miss it. The other thing,

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Speaker 1: They did, Kansas City is gonna be their toughest game

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Speaker 1: no matter what they do get outside of having a

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Speaker 1: good they don't have an immediate bye week before it

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Speaker 1: so no travel day. There's essentially four extra days baked

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Speaker 1: into that preparation. How much of a difference will that make.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Will it be enough? Probably not, but

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Speaker 1: I'll take the extra time to prepare for Kansas City

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Speaker 1: because that if they can steal that game, they're in

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Speaker 1: great shape. But you know, to start with Philly, to

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Speaker 1: on some of the rumors we were hearing leading up

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Speaker 1: I almost feel like I feel good about the schedule

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Speaker 1: because some of the stuff we heard was so much

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Speaker 1: the way it's structured as they've had in a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I did this. I did a little exercise

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Speaker 2: thought exercise. I shared this on PU already, but we'll

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Speaker 2: do it here too quickly. I broke it up into

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Speaker 2: it projected wins, projected losses, and then what I call

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Speaker 2: coin flip games toss could go either way right, projected wins.

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Speaker 2: And this year it feels to me, and you can

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Speaker 2: say this probably every year, but it really feels to

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Speaker 2: me this year that when I say projected, these have

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Speaker 2: ten wins to get into the playoffs, it's almost impossible.

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Speaker 1: Saints Commander's Colts, Saints Commanders Colts. We'll see about the Saints.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have Derek Carr now, so they have

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Speaker 2: an okay quarterback situation and say they have a great

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Speaker 2: quarterback situation, but they're okay at quarterback. Now, we'll see

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Speaker 2: about their team as the season progresses. But if you

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Speaker 2: can't beat Sam Howell and rookie Anthony Richardson, then you're

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Speaker 2: not playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean those are two teams that could be

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the Saints. Saints should be in

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Speaker 1: position for a top five pick. The Commanders could have

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Speaker 1: shot at the number one p yeah. Yeah. Losses ye, Philly, yep,

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Speaker 1: Dallas yeah, Buffalo, Buffalo, Kansas City. Yes, so I think

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Speaker 1: so right now? What three and five, three and six?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is what I'm getting at, right is we're

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Speaker 2: even just if we give them wins where we think

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Speaker 2: there should be wins, and even if we split the

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Speaker 2: coin flips, which I'll get to in a second, it's

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Speaker 2: not looking so hot. The last thing I'll say about

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Speaker 2: the losses Buffalo, I'm gonna make a college football reference

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Speaker 2: for you. Oh okay, you know how sometimes they say that,

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Speaker 2: you know, for Auburn, like beating Alabama is like kind

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Speaker 2: of the super Bowl, right, like the.

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Speaker 1: If you're having a bad season but you beat your rival.

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Speaker 1: It gives you something. There are coaches who there have

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday night game, it's primetime Island game all on

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Speaker 1: just chalk it up to a win. Yes, but Herbert

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Speaker 2: I have three penciledon wins and I have nine coin

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it if you give them the benefit

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Speaker 1: To slip back on what you just said, eventually, Josh

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And they've gotten I think closer than it looks

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Speaker 2: a year after putting the Patriots on Thanksgiving at primetime

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Speaker 2: on the road is malpractice. This is outrageous. And this

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Speaker 1: There were it, by the ways, gonna be New Year's

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Speaker 2: This is outrageous. Not only not only are they on

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Speaker 2: I was really I was really upset by that. I'm

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Speaker 2: not as upset about Christmas Eve because, as I just mentioned,

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Speaker 2: for you to just you don't have to work, you

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Speaker 2: you eat a bunch of food, you watch football all day.

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Speaker 2: It's a great day to have. And now Christmas Eve

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Speaker 2: I don't care about New Year's that much time. I

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Speaker 2: Like that's horrible.

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Speaker 1: That's terrible.

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Speaker 2: To come on, do you not care about our families?

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Speaker 2: And I'm talking on behalf of the players and coaches

435
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Speaker 2: right now too. I do not care about any of

436
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 2: our families. That is that what this is.

437
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you. Somebody's got to do it.

438
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Speaker 1: They went like twelve years without a game on a holiday,

439
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,480
Speaker 1: so we are kind of down here. They don't care

440
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: about our families, Alex I, I, it's annoying. It's absolutely

441
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: not well. I mean, we had heard whispers, and can

442
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Speaker 1: I talk about the thing we'd heard? I don't know,

443
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: I don't know which one it is. Oh you know what.

444
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: It had been discussed openly on other stations, So it

445
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: was gonna be Thanksgiving? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we had

446
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 1: heard like that would have been I would have lost it.

447
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, not Thanksgiving again. They obviously played Dallas in Dallas,

448
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: so that right when.

449
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: You looked at it was like looking at who Dallas

450
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 1: was playing. As the schedule started to leak, it came

451
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: down to a point where there was like only three

452
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 1: teams left downs to play on Thanksgiving, the Patriots or

453
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Speaker 1: one of them. So it was like, oh, here we go.

454
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Speaker 2: But yeah, nope, Christmas Eve in Denver, it's on prime

455
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 2: time and you know it's gonna stop terrible, you know,

456
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: it's terrible. Lastly, I do like the schedule, the fact

457
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 2: that we are basically our season is pre Germany post Germany,

458
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: right like that's you know, because the bye week is

459
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Speaker 2: in there. It's not exactly right in the middle of Germany.

460
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Speaker 1: It's week ten. It's not like week nine or week eight.

461
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,679
Speaker 2: But it's close enough to the middle that that's how

462
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Speaker 2: the season is gonna feel to me at least. Yeah,

463
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Speaker 2: it's going to be let's get to Germany, let's play

464
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: in Germany, and then reset after the bye and then

465
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: that that's when, as Bill Belichick would say, real football

466
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 2: starts in November into.

467
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Speaker 1: Well, I remember last year because people always say, like,

468
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Speaker 1: when do you want bye week? When you want the

469
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Speaker 1: bye week? In the schedule release video, last year was

470
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Speaker 1: probably way the one This year was outstanding. Credit to

471
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Speaker 1: everybody worked on that. Do you remember the one last

472
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: year was just like which was also great, Like it

473
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Speaker 1: is a very different kind of thing. But and people say,

474
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Speaker 1: when's the ideal bye week? I never quite knew its answer. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: Ernie said the ideal the last year, Week ten was

476
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Speaker 1: the ideal bye week because you want as in the

477
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Speaker 1: middle of the season as possible, with slightly later preferable

478
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: to slightly earlier. Right, So ten would be the ideal,

479
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: I guess, or nine would be the ideal in an

480
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: eighteen week season. Yeah, I feel like eleven is perfect

481
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: pretty close. Like you can't complain about that.

482
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Speaker 2: And that's my last point is I'm I'm glad that

483
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: they did take the bye after Germany because I think

484
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: we're the whole team's gonna be wiping.

485
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Speaker 1: Not everybody got that. I know people think that that's

486
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: a guarantee. Buffalo's playing in London. I forget when it is,

487
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: but Buffalo's playing in London and then they play the

488
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 1: next week. Their bye week isn't for like a month

489
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, that's until after international game. That

490
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: seems brutal. So I'm glad that that buy is coming

491
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: right after Germany. I think that really it's a blessing

492
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: in disguise that there's no other setup for a week

493
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: long trip someplace else, right, So we got one of those.

494
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: Last year they had too, They had the Miami trip,

495
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: and they had the West Coast Vegas or Arizona Vegas

496
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: back to back trip. This year is just going to

497
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Speaker 2: be Germany. They do have the joint practices in the summer,

498
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: but that's a little bit. It's kind of its own thing.

499
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 2: So I think that this the schedule from that aspect,

500
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Speaker 2: from a travel aspect to when Germany is to the

501
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: bye week after Germany sets up. Okay, we knew the

502
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: opponents coming in. We knew it was going to be

503
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: a tough gauntlet of opponents coming in, and we'll see

504
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: what this team is made of.

505
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Speaker 1: One other interesting thing. I don't know if this means anything,

506
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Speaker 1: just the way football's played and it being you know,

507
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: once a week kind of game, but it feels like

508
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of years the schedule is very much

509
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: home road home road home road, and you'd get like

510
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: maybe one double home in one double road. Yeah, this

511
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: year it's all over the place home home road, road home,

512
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: road home road home home by and then it road

513
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: home road home road road home. So it evens out

514
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, I guess on the second half. But yeah,

515
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Speaker 1: I you normally don't see it that that many combined,

516
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: right right, you know, home and road as staggered as

517
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Speaker 1: it is, you normally see it pretty evenly distributed. Again,

518
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Speaker 1: because you're only playing once a week and you're preparing

519
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: a home and all that. It's not the same as

520
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Speaker 1: like when you look at a baseball schedule, you see

521
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: like a ten game road trip. It's not quite like that.

522
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Speaker 1: I don't know that stood out to me. It's not

523
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Speaker 1: how I feel like it usually is.

524
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Speaker 2: Alex andrew wants you to come to the Cocktail sat

525
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: cocktail party this Saturday before the road game at Miami, Miami, Florida.

526
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Speaker 2: I think, is there Miami, George.

527
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Speaker 1: Oh, he's so.

528
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: We have a condo in state in Augustine. You can

529
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Speaker 2: tillgate and watch the Dogs and the Gators. David Andrews

530
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: would appreciate this.

531
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Speaker 1: So what he's talking about is the Florida Georgia Rivalry,

532
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: which is one of the biggest in the SEC. David

533
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: Andrews knows a lot about this. Yes, it's played in

534
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville every year neutral Site. The nickname for the rivalry

535
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Speaker 1: is it's what is it the world's largest outdoor cocktail party?

536
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: The world's largest Maybe outdoor isn't any but that is

537
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: another bucket list. I have a group of friends that

538
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: we do college football stuff with, Like we just already

539
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: talked about and we want to do a yearly trip.

540
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Speaker 1: The cocktail party. Absolutely on the list. I'm assuming the

541
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Speaker 1: emailer is a Dogs fan based off what he said.

542
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Speaker 1: There doesn't it doesn't specify. Oh okay, I'd like to

543
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: go see it. Nothing against you.

544
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Speaker 2: He does say the road game at Miami, so I'd

545
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Speaker 2: assume that means he's a Georgia fan.

546
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Speaker 1: Right. Well, no, he's saying when the Patriots are in Miami.

547
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Speaker 1: It must be that weekend. It must be that weekend.

548
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: You're right, I would like I don't I'm not a

549
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: fan or against either team. I just kind of appreciate

550
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: the sec Yeah, I would kind of like to see

551
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: Florida get back to standing and see it as like

552
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: a ranked game because George is just whooping Florida right

553
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: now in that series. Shout out to David Andrews. But

554
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: that is up there on the bucket list. The cocktail party.

555
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well there's your college football thirty seconds and.

556
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: Before yeah, it is the world's largest outdoor call.

557
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: Before we get to better word same on the defense,

558
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: I do want to address one one thing. Yeah, and

559
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: last week we talked a little bit about Malie Cunningham,

560
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: and I rolled my eyes at the Malie Cuttingham buzz

561
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: I think I might have compared it to Jeff Thomas

562
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: or something of the ilk of that, like, and I

563
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 2: rode the UDFA thing that we all right, you know,

564
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: nineteen straight years, who's the guy that's gonna make it

565
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: twenty Yeah, you know, we all got to do it.

566
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Speaker 2: It's like a yearly tradition. People like it's it's a

567
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Speaker 2: it's an easy one. And I did watch the Molie

568
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Speaker 2: Cunningham and I came away more optim mystic about him

569
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: developing at quarterback than anything.

570
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Speaker 1: I think that.

571
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: There's some really big peaks and valleys to his game

572
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: as a passer, especially his downfield deep passing. He's he's

573
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 2: an inaccurate deep passer right now. I think he completed

574
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: thirty one percent of his deep passes last year. He's

575
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Speaker 2: not a very good twenty plus yard thrower right a

576
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: deep real deep ball, so that that's a concern. But

577
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Speaker 2: I actually thought that his ability to throw, you know,

578
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: in rhythm, on time at the first and second level

579
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 2: was better than expected. And he takes a little bit

580
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Speaker 2: off of me, like he does throw a little bit

581
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: of a of a catchable ball, you know, the old

582
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: pillowy catchable ball.

583
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Speaker 1: Cliche.

584
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Speaker 2: I think you can do that, and certainly he has

585
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: the running ability. What he isn't is this cyborg Josh Allen,

586
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes off platform second reaction magician. Right, he's not

587
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: going to bring that to the table. He's not going

588
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: to run around for four seconds and then flip the

589
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: flick the wrist and fling it to the yards down

590
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: the field to an open receiver. Like that's not the

591
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: type of guy that he is, but he is more

592
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Speaker 2: I would say, like Marcus Mariota. I don't know Tyrod

593
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: Taylor like that.

594
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: Like he's more athletic than those guys.

595
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: But he's mobile in structure, like in design, and he

596
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: can scramble a little bit. But I wouldn't say that

597
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: he like I just mentioned that he's this off platform,

598
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: second reaction or out of structure, not.

599
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 1: An improviser than you. So what he's going to do?

600
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: And look, he is supremely athletic and he's great with

601
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands, but it's not a when

602
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: he starts moving. So all right, here's I think what

603
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: you're trying to say. Yeah, when when Mahomes or Alan

604
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: or Aaron Rodgers of these guys, when they start moving.

605
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: When they play breaks down and they start using their legs,

606
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: they are still looking to throw, right, They're using their

607
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: legs to extend their window to throw the football. Yeah,

608
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: Malik cunning him. He'll stand back in the pocket throw.

609
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: He's not a guy that's going to look to run first.

610
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: But when it breaks down, he's running. He's not running

611
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: to extend the play to throw. And there's a lot

612
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: of running to scramble.

613
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: I assume they're more they are in the playbook like RPOs.

614
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: It might be like more like package style plays where

615
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: there are routes being run, but he clearly has like

616
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: a QB draw option. Oh yeah, right, and so it's

617
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: it's like a it's an RPO draw, but the draws

618
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: to the quarterback right. And he's got this ability where

619
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: his blockers are run blocking and they're working up to

620
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: the second level of defenses are lead blocking. But he

621
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: still has some routes that he could branch off of

622
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: if he wants to, and if he likes the look

623
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: or if it's an easy completion, he might throw it,

624
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: but he more often than not runs the draw.

625
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: It's basically still the offense Lamar Jackson ran when he

626
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: was there, they really changed much. So yeah, I just

627
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: how much did you watch?

628
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Speaker 2: I watched probably four or five games. I watched some

629
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: of it, you know, just broadcast angle, but I watched

630
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: like one or two of the all twenty two.

631
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Speaker 1: So my take on the Leae cunning him throughout his

632
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: four years at Louisville was just he was. There were

633
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: times where he looked good. Yeah, he was never good

634
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: enough for long enough for me to say, yeah, there's

635
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: real NFL quarterback up side there, like.

636
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: Right, Like, he played well against Florida State. That was

637
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: sort of the big game statistically for him. And then

638
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: I watched the Syracuse game and he should have had

639
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: four turnovers in that game.

640
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: Right, he was terrible. There's probably a handful of plays

641
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: I think you can pull and he gave. You could

642
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: put together a long enough reel where you could sell somebody.

643
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: But I he just it. He gets very impatient, and

644
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I think his mechanics break down because of it.

645
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a little bit of he doesn't throw

646
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: from an even plane. Yeah, his shoulders and his his

647
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: his axis is not even. So he tilts back like this.

648
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: And when you till back like dad, you air miil.

649
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: It's it's like that I forget who the mean is.

650
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit of like a shot put.

651
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Just wait till we get to Joe Milton.

652
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: So you want to throw with your shoulders even, and

653
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: you want everything to just kind of come linear through

654
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 2: your body, and he kind of tilts back. Cam Newton

655
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: had the same issue. And when you do that, the

656
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,479
Speaker 2: ball it goes high. He's you sail it.

657
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the technical term, but

658
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: it should be the technical term. He eats the football. Yeah, yeah,

659
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: he really does. And like it's it's all fixable. This

660
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: is a guy, he's older, he's been you know, he's

661
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: a fives concern that you have is how much ceiling

662
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: does he have? It?

663
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: It's mechanically, I think it's fixable. But he kind of

664
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: throws the way he throws at this point, and I

665
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: think this is what a lot of people ran into

666
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: with Cam Newton. It's like, yeah, we can rework his

667
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: mechanics to be more by the book, but he's been

668
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: doing it this way for so long that the muscle

669
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: memory is just what it is, right, And I think

670
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: it's similar with Malie Cunningham to an extent. The other

671
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me with him is I

672
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: would really like to see them develop him at quarterback

673
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: and see where he can get to as a passer.

674
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: That the one thing that other than the mechanical type

675
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: of stuff is he's not a very good eye manipulator,

676
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: so he stares down receivers and he really brings defenders

677
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: to his intended targets, and especially his zone defenders will

678
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: just jump routes on him left and right, and and

679
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: it just that I think is more fixable seeing some.

680
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: Of the mechanics because he's he he knows where to look. Yes,

681
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: problem is he looks there too long, but he certainly

682
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: knows how to read a defense. Yeah, let me throw

683
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: one more thing at you. Yeah, and you're gonna hate this,

684
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: but I don't care. Cool. So everybody's assuming, oh, he's

685
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: super athletic, and you know Julian Edelman and they're a

686
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: tournament of receiver and he's gonna be great. So coming

687
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: out of high school, he was recruited. Part of the

688
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: reason he went to Louisville's they were one of the

689
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: few schools that were gonna let him play quarterback. He

690
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: was recruited to Alabama. He was recruited to Oklahoma. There's

691
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a couple other like SEC Big twelve schools that were

692
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: recruiting him as a safety. Yeah, I did. That was

693
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: where he actually got most of the looks. So I

694
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: if he's not going to play quarterback and look, you

695
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: might as well see what you have with him in QUARTERBA. Yeah,

696
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually so.

697
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: The reason why I brought it up is because last

698
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: week I dumped all over the idea, mainly because I

699
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: dumped all over the idea of him becoming a receiver

700
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: and being a being something right at receiver. But I'm

701
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing him in camp though at quarterback. Yeah,

702
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: like I And I'm not talking about pushing Mac or

703
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: anything like that.

704
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm.

705
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Excited to see that skill set on the Patriots in

706
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: a training camp in preseason environment. I think there's definitely

707
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: a chance that he lights up a fourth quarter of

708
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: a preseason game. He's got the experience and he's got

709
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: the athleticism, and I think that that could happen. I

710
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: also think that there's definitely some intrigue and some positive

711
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: developments of scout team and what looks he can give them,

712
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: like for Week one against Jalen Hurts like this, This

713
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: is watered down Jalen Hurts. So what better way to

714
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: prepare for Jalen Hurts than to have a guy that

715
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: has a similar skill set but just isn't as good

716
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: as Jalen Hurts. It's better than putting Bailey's appy out there.

717
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: Or I think what they were doing was Lin Bowden,

718
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: and that's why Lin Boden's not here anymore.

719
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: Didn't Miles Bryant do it at one point? I think

720
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: so at a certain I would just say that, and

721
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: I agree with all that. If he is going to

722
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: change positions, I wonder if he moves to the defensive

723
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: side of the ball, that'd be that.

724
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the fans would be too happy about

725
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: that because they want to see that guy with the

726
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: ball in his hands.

727
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: And I get that that Like, so, I'm not saying

728
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I broke down all his high school tape and this

729
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: is six years ago. Yeah, he make so that part

730
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: of what makes him so exciting with the ball in

731
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: his hands is his ability to quit, cut and change direction.

732
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah you again, this is the high school level, massive disclimer.

733
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he can do this in the NFL.

734
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: It's gotten for a you watch him as a safety.

735
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: You talk about deep safeties like reading him and cutting rounds.

736
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: You watch him recognize her out, put his foot in

737
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: the ground and undercut it. Yeah. Yeah, I understand why

738
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Alabama wanted him to play safety. That was six years ago.

739
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: He goes, if he can still do it, who knows,

740
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: if he can do it at the NFL level, Maybe

741
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: he look again trying a quarterback. Absolutely, Yeah, I'm just

742
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: if that's not gonna be the path, I'm just as

743
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: interested to seem as safety as it was so the

744
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: last thing.

745
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: And I'm not completely out on this idea. If if,

746
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: if they get into the season and short yardage is

747
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: a big problem for them, they just can't pick up

748
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: a third and one, or they can't punch it in

749
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: on the goal line, which really hasn't been an issue

750
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: for them. Honestly, last year it was, but everything was

751
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: an issue for them last year when they had McDaniels,

752
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: it wasn't an issue. And I don't think it will

753
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: be an issue with O'Brien. But if it does become

754
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: an issue, or if they feel like they can trust

755
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: really cutting Ham, having some sort of short yardage package

756
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: with him at quarterback.

757
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: It's not, it's it could be fun. Yeah, it could.

758
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: It could give them something. And that was the big

759
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me was there was a

760
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: couple of like third and ones where they would just

761
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: run zone read and what's the defense gonna do? Like

762
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: if you crash inside, he's taken it off the ed

763
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: and he's got the four or five speed to turn

764
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: the corner and he can win foot races out there,

765
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: or you get the numbers inside like it, that's the advantage.

766
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: You turned into a college football and we know that's

767
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: the advantage. Yeah, And I think that there is a

768
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: package that could be in play.

769
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: Now.

770
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm not usually a big proponent of that.

771
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't really.

772
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: I think you have a quarterback and the quarterback plays right,

773
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: Like I just I'm not a big proponent of like

774
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: the Taysom Hill thing, right, but with this offense, like

775
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: maybe maybe that that does get them better within the margins,

776
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 2: Maybe that does bring them on you know, third and one,

777
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: they're now at eighty five percent instead of seventy five

778
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: percent or whatever, you know, whatever the numbers end up being.

779
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: For what it is worth, Yes, maybe this is very little. Yeah,

780
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien did that last year at Alabama. Yeah, they

781
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: they're backup. Course, everybody knows about Bryce Young. Their backup

782
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: quarterback is a guy named Jalen Milroe, who is a

783
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: very similar skill. I mean, Cunningham is a better thrower,

784
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: but like athletically is similar to Lee Cunningham. And they

785
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: would at times most on the goal line. I don't

786
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: think they did it much in the middle of the field,

787
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: like third and one and stuff like that, because they

788
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: wanted the ability to take deep shots there, but you

789
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: could move it over there. They would put Jalen Milroe

790
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: on the field and run read options with image a

791
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: mer Gibbs. Yeah, and they sprinkled in a couple of

792
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: RPOs just to kind of keep the defense. Honest, Bill

793
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: Obrian absolutely has that in his back.

794
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not totally rulling it out. All right, Let's

795
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: get to better word Sam again. Eight five to five,

796
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the phone number if you want

797
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 2: to call in and weigh in on any of this,

798
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: like our Malik Cunningham wildcat package that sounds riveting. You

799
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: can give us a call. But I didn't know I

800
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: wanted to. I don't mean this shit all over Malie Cunningham.

801
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: It was more of just like I get frustrated by

802
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: people that like, why can't we just hope Taekwon Thornton

803
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: ends up being good? Like why does it have to

804
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: be the UDFA quarterback that becomes a receiver that all

805
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: of a sudden, Oh, he's gonna be a super Like,

806
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: let's just let's hope the receivers become super stars.

807
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: You know where it is too. We kind of did

808
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: this last year with Bailey Zappi, where backup quarterback comes

809
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: in there but all of a sudden like, oh, he's

810
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: tom Brady. Yeah, look at this, he's gonna win the job.

811
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: He's tom Bray. And it's like no, because not only

812
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: is it dumb, you're taking away like if it was

813
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: that easy to do what Tom Brady did wouldn't be impressive.

814
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: So everybody sees Malie Cunningham and says Julian Edelman. No,

815
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: not necessarily. Also, Julian Edelman took like four years to

816
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: become Julian Edelman. He was not Julian Edelman as a rookie,

817
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: So it's not a one for one comp And again,

818
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say that, know the history. His second

819
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: best position besides, quarterback might not even be receiver, it

820
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: might be safety. Yeah.

821
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: And I would also say with Julian Edelman, they knew

822
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: when they drafted Julian Edelman, they weren't ensure exactly where

823
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: he was gonna play, but they knew it wasn't gonna

824
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: be quarterble.

825
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: They actually were gonna try him as a defensive backup

826
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: point I think, yeah, I mean they did later on,

827
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean.

828
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: And also along those lines, Jacobe Myers was a receiver

829
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: in college, right, I know.

830
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Everybody that was a completely different right.

831
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: I know everybody knows that Jacobin Myers played quarterback in

832
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: his football career, but he changed over to wide receiver

833
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: as a red shirt freshman at NC State and stayed

834
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver.

835
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Of the rest of that would be like saying, oh,

836
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: have ke On White play tight end? Yeah? Right? Right?

837
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: Which stop? All right?

838
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: Speaking of ke On White, let's get the better wear

839
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: of same. On defense, I will start with the defensive

840
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: line that was. That was a good segue, and uh,

841
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: hear the names on the defensive line currently we have

842
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore, Lawrence Guy Dietrich, Wise, Devon Godshaw, Carl Davis,

843
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Farms, Daniel Qualley, Sam Roberts, and one Keon White.

844
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: I have Keon White as an end. I think he's

845
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: a hand in the dirt end with a three technique versatility.

846
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: Were canting to Marcus Mitchell as.

847
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: Special teamer, maybe a stand up guy in spurts or

848
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: in first down packages and things like that, but I

849
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 2: I think he's truly an end. That's where I have him.

850
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: But in general better worse for same on the defensive line.

851
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: Better better because they brought everybody back and then they

852
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: added key On White, so that's kind of easy one.

853
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Christian Barmore was supposed to

854
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: unlock a lot last year.

855
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that. Yeah, so let's hope that it

856
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: comes this way.

857
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: I would say people were unhappy with his performance at

858
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: the start of the year. I know a lot of

859
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: people were critical of him. I think he was better

860
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: than a lot of people gave him credit for. He

861
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: wasn't putting up stats, but if he actually went back

862
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: and watched the games, he was influencing plays.

863
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, his stuff like his like you know, pressure rates

864
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: and massruption rates are better than his sacked.

865
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: Bright and then he had that knee injury. I think

866
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they brought him back too early, but

867
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: he didn't look the same. Yeah, when he came back.

868
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: I think that issue was bothering him even after he returned.

869
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: So you hope right now he's fully healthy. They talk

870
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: about the year three jump, right, and how that's a

871
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: big one. I'm expecting a lot from Christian Barmore this year. Yeah.

872
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: I have this image from last year in Cleveland of

873
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: Barmore trying to figure out if he can go with

874
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: the knee on the sidelines, and he's he's he's kind

875
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: of like do the block and dummy thing, and he's

876
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: throwing his hands into somebody and kind of pushing off

877
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 2: the knee and seeing if he can explode the way

878
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: he wants to. And you could just see the visible

879
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: frustration on his face and his whole body language. It

880
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: was a tough injury for him that I definitely agree

881
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: lingered I'm gonna go better as well.

882
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I think this is an underrated.

883
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Group, like league wide, like I think this is a

884
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: sneaky good group. I do start to worry a little

885
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: bit about Lawrence Guy's age and effectiveness at this point,

886
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: but I think ideally, and not that I am shipping

887
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 2: guy out of town or driving him to the bus

888
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: or anything, but I think ideally somebody like a Dietrich

889
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: wwis er Keon White ends up stepping up where Lawrence

890
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Guy's not playing the same type of snap tootal that

891
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: he used to.

892
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: They have enough guys that can fill that role that

893
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm not super word. Yeah, the one thing I am

894
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: if there was one knock on this group, if because

895
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: they've had trouble stopping the run the last couple of years. Yeah,

896
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: if Devon goes down. I know they like Carl Davis

897
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: and he's a fine player, but you know that that

898
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: they no tackle they could use no the nose tackles

899
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: kind of helpen.

900
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they could probably use another one. Maybe, I

901
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: don't know. I think that they they have a look

902
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: right now of being a little bit more hybrid y

903
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: upfront than even they are used to. And they're already

904
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: a very hybrid mixed match type of defensive front as

905
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: it is. But I do wonder if we see some

906
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 2: more even or or tilted three four, which is basically

907
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: a four man front, Like you know, I think that

908
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: that's in play, that we have some more four on

909
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: the line looks, which they've they've done always and they've

910
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: always kind of had a little bit of that sprinkled in.

911
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be shocked if that's more of a

912
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: base for them this year with Judan as a stand

913
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: up outside linebacker, but more in line over the tackle,

914
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: like almost like a five technique, and then the three

915
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: guys across with the hand in the dirt, like, I

916
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: think that that's a possibility that we see a decent

917
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: amount of that. Maybe even Keon White is that guy

918
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: that ends up being in that role and Judon's a

919
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: little bit further out. All right, I'm doing edge defenders.

920
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: I know you don't like. You don't like edge as

921
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: a position.

922
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: It's not a real position. It is a real position.

923
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: It's a real position. No, it's a defensive end outside linebacker.

924
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: We use edge because coming into the draft, there are

925
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: guys that in one system might play and in another

926
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: system might play outside linebacker. So, right, but that's going

927
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: into the draft and we don't know what system they're in,

928
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: so we can't classify them as one or the other. One.

929
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: We're talking about the Patriots. We're talking about a system

930
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: we know where they're going to be playing. All right,

931
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: you even just say all right, you even alright, go ahead,

932
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: Paipe just said you have Keon White is a defensive end.

933
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I do not. Is that edge? No, So you're just

934
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: saying outside linebackers and you're calling them edge. Yeah, all right,

935
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: So say outside linebackers. Then there are three four outside linebackers.

936
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: That's what they all right, Well, it's a three four defense,

937
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: so they're outside linebacker.

938
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: I just said they're three four outside linebackers.

939
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: Right, any three four defense or they're outside linebackers.

940
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 2: Matthew Judon, josh u Ja, Anthony Jennings, Ronnie Perkins. You're

941
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: gonna have to help me with this.

942
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: One, Okasi. I don't know the first name.

943
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: So I didn't put Jelaniva in this group. I have

944
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: him with the inside linebackers or the off ball linebackers

945
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: the edge though, but he's both. He's he's in the

946
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: he's a hybrid because there's some guys play on the

947
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: line and some guys play off the line. My goodness, Uh,

948
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Jelaniva is is the one guy that if you're if

949
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: you're doing the the old uh you know, what's the

950
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: circles with.

951
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: The little diagram.

952
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: He's the one that's in the middle right of the

953
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: linebacker group.

954
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just him. Who else do you

955
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: think is in the middle Mack Wilson.

956
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: I think Mack Wilson, he would when he plays on

957
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: the line though he's in line right, like he's like

958
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: over the guard or over the center. If we're talking

959
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: about true like end of the line players. I think

960
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: TV's the only one that truly does that at a

961
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: blend the lines. Jawan Bentley has done it like at

962
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: times and in like certain game planned package.

963
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: He's a middle lineback. So this group, this edge group.

964
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: I think when you factor in that Tavai can fill

965
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: in on that edge group where necessary. It makes the

966
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: depth look a little bit better there because on paper,

967
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: you really don't know outside of Judan and Uche, if

968
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: you're getting anything from any of these guys, right, especially

969
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 2: with Ronnie Perkins, like you know it's he a human being,

970
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, So you don't really know if you're

971
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: getting anything out of the rest of these guys. But

972
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: but Tovai kind of solidifies that depth.

973
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: And I would also.

974
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: Say that they might view I view Keon White because

975
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty five pounds. I viewed Keon White

976
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: as an end, as a hand in the dirt end.

977
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: But maybe they think he can stand up. He does

978
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: have great athleticism, so maybe they think that he can

979
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: stand up better or worse the same out of this

980
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: edge group.

981
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: Same, maybe a little bit better if you just count

982
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: on internal growth from guys like and Perkins and Jennings.

983
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going same. Yeah.

984
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: I think I asked you today about being more of

985
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: every down player. He played forty percent of the snaps

986
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: last year. I've always hoped that he was going to

987
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: develop into a sixty sixty five seventy percent snap guy.

988
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: His answer to me was interesting that everybody kind of

989
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: he said, everybody has their role. Everybody has their role.

990
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: It's about doing your job, maximizing your role. That that

991
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: makes it sound to me like he knows I'm a

992
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: situational pass rusher here. I'm not gonna play on first

993
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: down unless it's some sort of matchup situation and I'm

994
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: gonna rush the passer, which if he has eleven and

995
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: a half sacks again then fine.

996
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: Which meanwhile, too, there's nothing wrong with being a situational

997
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: pass rusher. These guys are getting paid now like your

998
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: full time players. Lucas van Ness just went in the

999
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: top fifteen in the draft.

1000
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, all right, so that's edge inside linebacker

1001
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: is a linebacker? Yeah, because the edge is edge. Jawan Bentley,

1002
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: Jelani Tavaiz in here as well, Raykwan, McMillan, mac Wilson,

1003
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: Marty Mapoo with the linebackers. Sure, aund on that linebacker,

1004
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: Marty Mapho, Chris Board, Terrez Hall, and the most surprising

1005
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: UDFA signing in the entire league all thirty two teams,

1006
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: Jordan Helig, who I almost put with the special teamers,

1007
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I have him here

1008
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: at linebackers. Who the heck knows.

1009
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: Because he already missed Calvin Mounson. So oh yeah, Kevin

1010
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: Muss with the special team. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

1011
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know this for sure. I think there are

1012
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: teams that did not know he was in the draft.

1013
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: I think there are teams that didn't know he existed.

1014
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to pick on the kid, but

1015
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: he was at Appalachian State. He put his name in

1016
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: the portal right to transfer, and the idea was that

1017
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: he was going to go to some FCS school and

1018
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: be a stud linebacker at an FCS school and then maybe,

1019
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: like you know, Marty Mapho style, you know, get get

1020
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: his name out there and get into the draft. And

1021
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: the Patriots just called him up and offered him a contract.

1022
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Well, oh, he took his name. That that that's what

1023
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He took his name out of the transfer

1024
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: portal and cleared for the draft. But it was I

1025
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: don't I'm still trying to figure out exactly how he

1026
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: technically did. This was after the deadline, Yeah, so wild.

1027
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: I think there may have been teams that legitimately didn't

1028
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: know he was available.

1029
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, even if they knew who So he's a

1030
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: he's a special teamer. He's a four faced special teams.

1031
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: But no, he played linebacker apps State, not very much.

1032
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: He had like fifty snaps in his career. Are you sure? Yeah?

1033
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: I feel like I remember seeing all right. Well, he

1034
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: had a couple of impactful ones because I remember see him.

1035
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, he I think there are teams that

1036
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: didn't know he was available, even if they were aware

1037
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: of him. Oh good for the Patriots.

1038
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: That's that's why that's why they paid Macro and Cam

1039
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: Williams the big bucks. Anyways, a better where it's the

1040
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: same at linebacker, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna hope for

1041
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: better because I'm I'm polish about Marty Mapu. I think

1042
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: this guy is a player like I. I maybe I've

1043
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: come around on him because I was harsh about it

1044
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: live because I was like, wait, who oh, yeah, that

1045
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: guy that got invited to the Senior Bowl after having

1046
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: a good end f l p A game even the

1047
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Admitted to me, Jim Nagy said he wasn't

1048
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: on our radar until the NFL p A game, Like

1049
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: he was not invited to the Senior Bowl until very

1050
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: very he was a call up to the Senior Bowl

1051
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 2: from the NFL p A game. And you know, Nikki

1052
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: made an interesting point that usually they they had the

1053
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: Shrine Bowl the week before, so they had some call

1054
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: ups from the Shrine Bowl too, So now they're really

1055
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: going from what's that like, Honolulu Bowl, the the one

1056
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: that uh.

1057
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: The NFL, the NFL PA Bowl, and uy ay there's

1058
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, because what's his name? The quarterback win

1059
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: m VP of both.

1060
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: All right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say better. I'm

1061
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: really hopeful that the Patriots are are hoping that Marty

1062
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: Mapu and we'll see. I think the biggest thing is

1063
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: with him is that he is he gonna be healthy

1064
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: enough in camp with the shoulder to to go at

1065
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: full tilt and earn this role. But I think they're

1066
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: hopeful that that he's going to carve out that role.

1067
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: And I know it's not the sexiest thing in the world,

1068
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: but I think Chris Board is going to be a

1069
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: really good Patriot. Like I think that that's gonna be

1070
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: one of those guys that maybe not as useful on

1071
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: defense as as some of the other guys like an

1072
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: Adrian Phillips or someone like that, but just someone that

1073
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 2: fits the suit right, like just that's a Patriot, core

1074
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: special teams guy, good depth be So I'm gonna say

1075
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: a little bit better.

1076
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: Now, I'm with you on the I'm surprised to hear

1077
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: you say that about Chris Board. I've been comparing it

1078
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: to kind of like if Brandon Bolden played defense, like

1079
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: that kind of role where he's gonna be a core

1080
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: special teamer and he'll give you a bit on defense.

1081
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: We need him by the way, it's the Hula Bowl

1082
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: and hahwaii. Yeah, I knew something. Hula Bowl and the

1083
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: nfl PA Bowl in La Yah. Holton Aylors won MVP

1084
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: of both of them as well as the Birmingham Bull

1085
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: He just wins MVP of bowl games. Yeah.

1086
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: So the NFL PA Bowl is the one that that

1087
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: got Marty map who on the that was the one

1088
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 2: No pun intended that that naggy and the Senior Bowl

1089
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: invited him off of they they heard from guys that

1090
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 2: were there, said, you got to see this kid, Marty

1091
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 2: mapp who from Sacramento stay.

1092
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: They pull up the film on him. They invited him

1093
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl like the next day. So in

1094
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: middle linebackers hall say better kind of like the defensive line,

1095
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: they brought back literally everybody, and then they added Marte

1096
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: Mapu and Chris Board.

1097
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: So were you surprised. I think we've maybe touched on

1098
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: this a little bit, but I'm a little bit surprised

1099
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson still here.

1100
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: For what they got him for.

1101
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: Not really, I guess, like I'm not surprised, Like I'm

1102
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: not saying they overpaid him or anything like that, but

1103
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: they basically benched him after he didn't push Josh Allen

1104
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: out of bounds in that in that first match up

1105
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: against Buffalo last year.

1106
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: And we played a lot on specialty. He's played a

1107
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: lot on special teams. Yeah. No, I'm saying for what

1108
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: they paid him, saying he got very little money. My

1109
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: guess was he didn't have a ton of options of

1110
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: where to go, right, and they we know this.

1111
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: It's a tough spot for him. I guess it's more

1112
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: of what I'm saying right, because he's not gonna play

1113
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: it's very.

1114
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: Well on defense. I think the idea is he's somewhere

1115
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: where he knows the system, so you can come out,

1116
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: have a really good camp and then maybe get cut

1117
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and end up elsewhere. Yeah.

1118
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I definitely could see

1119
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: him getting cut in camp if Marty Mapp, who has

1120
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: has a real camp. Yeah, and uh and looks apart

1121
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: all right. Cornerbacks long list eleven guys, Christian Gonzalez, Jonathan Jones,

1122
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, Miles Bryant, a Mere speed Is,

1123
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden, Sean Wade, Quadre Moseley, Rodney Randall, and Tajes.

1124
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: This has to be better. This is definitely better in there.

1125
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, there's some special teamers. But you know

1126
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: guys that are I think are are gonna be working

1127
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: out at corner and training camp, right, you know they

1128
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: are still gonna be there. I think the most interesting

1129
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: thing to me about this group is other than Christian Gonzales,

1130
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: which that video yesterday did numbers and it was it

1131
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: was downright sexy. I told you guys, his hips didn't lie.

1132
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: He'd secure it all over the field. And rookie Minnie

1133
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: Camp apparently.

1134
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: What we saw so combine. He changes direction, he looks

1135
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: like he's on skates, he looks like he could be

1136
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: playing defenseman for the Bruins.

1137
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: And Girodmeo looks at him like he's a perfect ten,

1138
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: which I can appreciate.

1139
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: You include Jalen Mills. No, okay, I did not. Uh.

1140
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: The big thing for me, other than Christian Goanzalez is

1141
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: that I would like to see them make Marcus Jones

1142
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: the full time slot this year. And uh, I'm with

1143
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: the fans for the most the majority of fans that

1144
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: the time has come for Miles Bryant to be either

1145
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: significantly demoted or maybe he is a practice squad guy.

1146
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: That's a game day elevation when they need him that

1147
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: sort of thing. They have too much talent, like real

1148
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: cover talent on this roster. Now for guys like Miles

1149
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: Bryant to be playing serious time.

1150
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna have so many matchup opportunities because my question is,

1151
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: where does Jonathan Jones play? I think before you can

1152
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: get to Marcus Jones, where does Jonathan Jones?

1153
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: I think he plays in the fields, Like I think

1154
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: he's he's with Z receivers like Tyreek Hill, like those

1155
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: move guys.

1156
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: So Jack Jones is the third guy, then.

1157
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: I think Jack Jones is really the fourth guy. I

1158
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: think Christian Gonzales is your outside boundary, John Jones your

1159
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: field corner, and I think Marcus Jones your slot, and I.

1160
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: Meant third on the like third boundary, yeah, third boundary guy. Okay, yeah,

1161
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm with But you also have the flexibility if you

1162
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: need to move Jonathan Jones inside, you could go because

1163
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: I think you could make an argument their three best

1164
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: corners are Christian Zalez, Jonathan Jones, and Jack Jones. Yeah,

1165
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: and and like then you get Mark. You take Marcus

1166
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,879
Speaker 1: Jones off the field, which sucks because I just want

1167
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: him on the field.

1168
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: I want him on the field for so many reasons.

1169
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: I think inside too, he's gonna have that instinctive ability

1170
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: to like hunt the football a little bit more than

1171
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 2: if he's pressed up against the boundary. I just feel

1172
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: like there's a lot more capabilities there.

1173
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: Well.

1174
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: The other thing you can do, like they're obviously built

1175
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: to match up really well against like teams like Miami.

1176
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: With those two guys, I think yeah, And then with

1177
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: the Bills, I do think in an absolute ideal world,

1178
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales is so good that it doesn't matter what

1179
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 2: addie type, what skill set, whatever, He's going to take

1180
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: the number one.

1181
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: To say, in ideal world, he clamps the fun digs.

1182
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: Right, in an ideal world, he can clamp the Von

1183
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: Diggs one week, and then he can clamp Garrett Wilson

1184
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: the next week, and then he can go, you know whatever. Yeah,

1185
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to pass. Jonathan Jones

1186
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: is the ideal guy against Tyreek Hill. But in terms

1187
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: of those, you know, the the more natural not not

1188
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: guys that run a four to one, right in an

1189
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: ideal world, but I think as a rookie, we could

1190
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: see a decent amount of Christian Gonzalez on an island

1191
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: against the number two and Jonathan Jones on the number

1192
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: one guy with help. Like, I think that that could

1193
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: be especially against Buffalo. Like it against Buffalo, it's Gonzales

1194
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: against Gabe Davis, and then it's Jonathan Jones with a

1195
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: bracket or with safety help over the top against the

1196
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: Von Diggs. Like, I think that that's more realistic because

1197
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to put too much on Christian Gonzalez

1198
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: right away.

1199
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: The one other thing they could do, and this is

1200
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: now we're kind of getting ahead, but does Jonathan Jones

1201
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: You could put it and but this is all good

1202
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: because the reality is we're throwing out all these different options.

1203
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: They'll probably do all of these to some extent. Jonathan

1204
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: j sorry, Christian zoal Is on one boundary, Jack Jones

1205
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: on the other, Marcus Jones in the slot, and that

1206
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones is your deep safety because we've seen him

1207
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: play there and he's playing as well right And I

1208
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: know people think that Jalen Mills is kind of gonna

1209
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: step in for Devin mccordy. I think it's gonna be

1210
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: by committee. Yea, I said before, you know, how do

1211
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: you get your three best corners on the field, and

1212
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: we do this with the offensive line all the time. Yeah,

1213
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: put your five best out there. Find a way to

1214
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: make it work. If we're gonna apply that logic to

1215
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: the secondary, the way to get the most talent on

1216
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: the field is Jack Jones, Christian Zas on the boundary,

1217
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones on the slot, Jonathan Jones, Kyle Kyle Dugart,

1218
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: Adrian Phillips at safety. That's your most talented secondary those players,

1219
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: however you were arranging.

1220
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the interesting thing, and we'll get to

1221
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: the safeties here in a second, is, Yeah, Jalen Mills

1222
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: is a is a little bit of a wild card.

1223
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: And I I don't think Jalen Mills is converting to

1224
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: safety to be a deep safety.

1225
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: So I don't think so either. I think he's a

1226
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: tight end stop. Yeah, I agree as well. So here's

1227
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: what I have at safe. Wait real, two more things

1228
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: on the corners. Yes, when Jalen Mills is it. I

1229
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: did this on Patriots Feat the other week. We actually

1230
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: did the depth charts for like base defense and passing

1231
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: down defense, Jalen Mills is coming on to almost take

1232
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: a linebacker off the field. Correct. When Jalen Mills comes on.

1233
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: It's to take a linebacker off to man up on

1234
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: a on a tight end, yes, or maybe I don't know,

1235
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: a running back, big wide receiver. The other thing i'd

1236
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: say on Myles Bryant because you mentioned him real quick,

1237
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant needs to if he's gonna play defense, play

1238
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: safety because as much as people want to hate on

1239
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: Miles Bryant, and I get it, he's looked bad. He is.

1240
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: He's not an NFL man cover corner. They have used

1241
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: him completely wrong. You can't put him on Isaia McKenzie.

1242
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: He's not fast enough.

1243
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: He's not a man corners. He's not fast enough to

1244
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: be a man corner. In the end, there are two

1245
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 2: play zone just fine.

1246
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: I will say there are two things Miles Bryant does

1247
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: very well. Yeah, he knows. He's very smart. He knows

1248
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: what he's looking at. He can dissect the play and

1249
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: he knows where he's supposed to go right now. Getting

1250
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: there quick enough is the other thing. But like he

1251
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: can get there, the other thing he does he's a

1252
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: surprisingly good tackler, especially for his size. And I know

1253
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: people will go back to that game against the Jets

1254
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: two years ago where he got like run over for

1255
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Yeah. Also the he got run over and

1256
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: by ninety pins all things considered, for a defensive back,

1257
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good tackler. Are you trying to disagree

1258
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: with me? No, I think he's a good tackler. I do.

1259
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: My point is is that, like we tend to isolate

1260
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: like one or two plays, Yeah, especially when it comes

1261
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: to tackling.

1262
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: I always hear this.

1263
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: And this is not to go on some like rant here,

1264
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 2: but I always hear people that that, and they call

1265
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: into the show, the email on the show too, that

1266
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: complain about the Patriots tackling. The Patriots are routinely, routinely

1267
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 2: one of the best tackling defenses in the NFL, like

1268
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: number one, like top five and in mistackle rate in

1269
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: the good way every single year, every single year. Yeah,

1270
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: So what Dad tells you is that there's a lot

1271
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: of mistackles every single week. It's hard to tackle these guys, Okay.

1272
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Especially now.

1273
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's hard to tackle these guys. The Patriots

1274
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: are one of the best tackling defenses in the league.

1275
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: So to go to bring it back to Miles Bryant,

1276
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: he recognizes plays well, he's a good tackler. To me,

1277
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: if he's gonna play on defense, I'm not saying he

1278
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: should be the replacement for Devin mccordy, but as a

1279
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: sub deep safety. Put him on the back end where

1280
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: everything's in front of him. He's coming up on the play,

1281
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: he's not chasing to put him on the back end.

1282
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: Let him diagnose the play in front of him, step up,

1283
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: make the play in that role as like a reserve

1284
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: in that kind of role, not terrible, he'd be. Yeah,

1285
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he's gonna give you what you need.

1286
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: And then he play him on special But at best

1287
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: he's a dinebacker, right, he's like the sixth defensive back

1288
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: on What I'm saying is stop putting him out there

1289
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: is a true slot corner to man up receivers. He

1290
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: can't do that, But that's not indicative of the player

1291
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: he is. He does other things well. I just think

1292
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: his rookie year, his rookie year in twenty twenty, he

1293
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: was actually asked to do a lot of what he

1294
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: did well, and I think he looked pretty good. Yeah,

1295
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: the last two years, they haven't necessarily asked him to

1296
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: do what he does best, not a lot, and I

1297
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: think they should try to get back to.

1298
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: That fair enough safeties Kyle Dugar, Adrian Phillips, ja Bill Peppers,

1299
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: Jalen Mills, Joshua bred Bledsoe, and Brad Hawkins.

1300
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: So I say a Boldon might be a safety too

1301
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: every time in my corner right now, that's fair, But

1302
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: I think he might be a safety.

1303
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 2: So I have to say worse about this group because

1304
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 2: I have just way too much damn respect for Devin

1305
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: Saturday to say better or even Sam, So I have

1306
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 2: to say worse for this group.

1307
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: But I am.

1308
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: Really as a as a film junkies and nerds that

1309
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: we are, I am just really fascinated to see how

1310
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: exactly they go about replacing Devin mccordy and who plays

1311
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: where and what that's gonna be. Something that I'll probably

1312
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: do a breakdown at some point on and really log

1313
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 2: like who's where and what role and things like that.

1314
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: The main thing that I think here, I believe that

1315
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: between Adrian Phillips and Kyle Dugger, those two guys I

1316
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: think are gonna be the true free safeties in this group.

1317
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 2: They'll probably be a little bit interchangeable and they'll probably

1318
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 2: play a little bit more split safety than we've seen

1319
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: them in the past. Are too high, you know'll cover

1320
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: two style. Jalen Mills to me, is there to cover

1321
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: tight ends. I think that's just gonna be his role,

1322
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: and that then frees up Dugger of course, to be

1323
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: a little bit more of a rover or like a

1324
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: rat or a deep safety and be a little bit

1325
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: more of that instinctive ballhwker in the middle of the defense,

1326
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 2: which I think has a lot of value.

1327
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: One of the big things.

1328
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: That I've always thought about Dugger and I hope that

1329
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: this is the long term plan, and I hope he

1330
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: is in the long term plans. By the way, is

1331
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's his best use is covering

1332
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 2: tight ends. I think that that really pigeonholes him to

1333
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: not being able to make as much impact on the

1334
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: ball as he truly could. I've always said that I

1335
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: think he's Rodney Harrison right like I think ideally he's

1336
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: a guy that like Rodney, who would just fill up

1337
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: the stat sheet like don't you think presser on the quarterback,

1338
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: forrest fumbles, interceptions, tackles like always around the ball, And

1339
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: that's really what I want to see them do with

1340
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: Kyle Duggart because that type of playmaking, I think it

1341
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: would really help out this defense, especially now that they

1342
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: have Christian Gonzales to kind of steady the back end

1343
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more where it's can have some players

1344
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: that are maybe a little bit more volatile, right and

1345
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: kind of going for those big plays instead of just

1346
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: always playing positionally soundball. I just really liked the idea

1347
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 2: of Kyle dugger being a little bit more free, Like

1348
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: let's let's let's take the training wheels off. Let's stop

1349
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 2: putting him on the tight end where he just has

1350
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: this one guy and that's just his assignment on this play,

1351
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 2: and let's make him a jack of all trades, like truly,

1352
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: because he's got that type of athleticism and he's got

1353
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: that type of nose for the football. So like they

1354
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: used to do with Rodney right, like just everywhere, that's

1355
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: what I want to see them be with Kyle Duggar.

1356
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: So on the safety position as a whole, I say better,

1357
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: kind of like it's the opposite. Remember last week and

1358
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: we did offensive line, it was I feel better, but

1359
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: like it doesn't really mean much. Yeah, I feel worse,

1360
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: I guess because they don't have Devin mccorty, but it

1361
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: still might be the best position group on the team.

1362
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just gives him a lot more flexibility because

1363
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: and Devin even said this, like you always knew where

1364
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: Devin was gonna be.

1365
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: There's a little ewing theory going on here.

1366
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Devin is a center fielder, and you always knew he

1367
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: was going to be there, and it kind of made

1368
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: everybody else, like Kyle Dugger, it made them fit into

1369
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: other roles, right, Like Kyle Dugger had had to learn

1370
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 2: the Chung style role because that was his way on

1371
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 2: the field because he wasn't going to play free safety

1372
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: because Devin McCarty was blocking him at playing from playing

1373
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: free safety. So he just had to be that. Maybe

1374
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: there is an even better level for Kyle Duggar now

1375
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: that Devin McCarty isn't here in a weird way, even

1376
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: though the team as a whole I think gets worse

1377
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: from Devin McCarty, I think there's individual players, Kyle Duggar especially,

1378
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: that might get better from Devin mccorty not being here

1379
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: in his own vacuum, right, not not saying as an

1380
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: entire defense.

1381
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: I yeah, just on Dougger real quick. It's to sort

1382
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: of bring back the conversation we had last week. And

1383
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm not asking I'm not asking you this to pick

1384
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: a fight. I'm asking this because I'm legitimately asking you,

1385
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: said Rodney Harrison. Yeah, if Rodney Harrison enters the league

1386
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: now with position to see play here or everywhere, just

1387
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: in like if he was in the trouble linebacker, Yeah exactly. Yeah.

1388
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: So and that's the role you want, Kyle Duggar.

1389
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: I want Kyle Duggar to basically be a rover, like

1390
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: I want him to not have an assignment. I want

1391
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 2: him to just play football like Seaball, get ball, Kyle, Like,

1392
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: that's all I want, because you know what I really

1393
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: want in my my my Wildest dreams Taylor Swift reference.

1394
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: You like that? Okay he didn't know that, did you? No?

1395
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: God damn, come on, that was a good one. Is

1396
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: that one of our songs in my wild Dreams? Yes? Uh?

1397
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: I like my Wildest Dreams?

1398
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle Duggar, you to see him like streaking across

1399
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: the field and Josh Allen's trying to scramble and Kyle

1400
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Duggar just comes out of nowhere and just lights him up.

1401
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: Like that's that's that's what I want Sea Wall get ball, Kyle,

1402
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: whether you're in zone and you're you're playing the football

1403
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 2: in the air, or you're attacking the line of scrimmage,

1404
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: and he when they allow him to do that, that's

1405
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: how we had what five defensive touchdowns or whatever, the

1406
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,439
Speaker 2: three defensive touchdowns whatever it was last year. Like, that's

1407
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 2: how you get to that number is because he's just

1408
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 2: he's just flying.

1409
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: So you want him to be a guy that could

1410
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: push like thirty thirty. Yeah, interesting, I do You're essentially

1411
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: he's Rodney Harris. You want him to be box safety

1412
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: at Red Yes, interesting Rodney Harrison. Okay, yeah, you're not right. Yeah,

1413
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: there's only two thirty thirty guys, Rodney Harrison, ray Lewis.

1414
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: That's it, Rodney Harrison. Thirty thirty being interceptions and yeah

1415
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: we're interceptions crews. We're gonna get the specialists. Don't worry.

1416
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: I know you're worried about us doing the specialists here

1417
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: in a second, but I want to take Patty from

1418
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: Aguam on the phone. Thanks for hanging on, Patty.

1419
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 3: What's up hey anytime? Guys?

1420
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: What's going on?

1421
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: What you're talking about? Defense? Is it crazy to think

1422
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: that if this defense is statistically like a top three

1423
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: but they also look and play like a top three

1424
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: defense this year. And I'm going to give you, guys

1425
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: my my offensive breakout player. I think it's going to

1426
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 3: be Max this year. And if like Mac has seasons

1427
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: similar to like what he looked like his senior year

1428
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: in Alabama. I'm not saying that he's gonna like throw

1429
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 3: for forty eight touchdowns and five thousand yards, but if

1430
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 3: he looks if he looks like he can play. Is

1431
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: it crazy to think that this team could win like

1432
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: between ten and twelve games this year.

1433
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: I think I think twelve is pushing it a little bit.

1434
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy for them to win ten

1435
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: ten games if Mac, yeah, a step, but I don't

1436
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 2: think it's crazy. But I love the optimism Patty that

1437
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: that Matt Jhones is your breakout player. I like that,

1438
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: and I think certainly, and thanks for the call, Patty,

1439
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 2: I think certainly, the the way that they get to

1440
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: that level is if Mac breaks out right, like that's

1441
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: the only way, exactly Like I as much as I

1442
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: i'm I'm bullish on the defense, I think the defense

1443
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: is gonna be good. I think the collection of players

1444
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 2: on offense is going to be better because of the coaching.

1445
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: But the only way that they truly let's not I

1446
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: don't even like, let's forget about win totals. The only

1447
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: way they win a playoff game or are truly competitive

1448
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 2: in a playoff game, so that means they made the

1449
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 2: playoffs and they potentially win one is if mac Jones

1450
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 2: has a breakout year. Right, that's it, right, That's what

1451
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: it comes down to you. All right, let's do your specialists.

1452
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: I have specialists, and I have cover jases, right, I

1453
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 2: have we're doing too Oh wow, you really got it.

1454
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: So on specialists, we're not doing kicker, puncher, long snap

1455
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: for alsover on, they're they're just specialists. We have you

1456
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 2: realize that they have competition at every spot. Yeah, which

1457
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 2: is kind of funny technically yeaheah. Joe Cardona, Tucker Addington,

1458
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: Nick Folk, Chad Ryland, Bryce Behringer, crawless weightman crawlss.

1459
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: That was cordless cordless cordless weightman. No, now you have

1460
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: me confused.

1461
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 2: No, I think it's cordless. You're right, Uh, better, We're same.

1462
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: Is kind of hard on this one because we don't

1463
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: know what the rookies are. If they're gonna be able

1464
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: to look they're better at punter.

1465
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: They're better That's what I was gonna say. They got

1466
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: to better punter. They're better punter. Kicker is a question mark.

1467
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: It's like, how real did you think Nick folks slide

1468
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: was at the end of last year. But the reality

1469
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: is even if there's a chance that that was a

1470
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: sign of just this is who he is now, he's

1471
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: thirty seventies done. Yeah, you so want to get ahead

1472
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: of it at kicker. You don't want to have a

1473
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: kicker mid season who doesn't have kickckick in long term,

1474
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 1: they're in better shape. And they just made Joe cardonat

1475
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: the highest paid well for like a month, he was

1476
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: the highest pay right snapper in the NFL's got broken.

1477
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: Tucker Addington is here for a training camp and that's it.

1478
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: I wonder, let me just point that out there. Everybody

1479
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: freaked out that they are. Why do they have to

1480
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: make in the highest paid long snapper's highest paid anymore?

1481
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: I think was the Ravens guy broke it. Every long

1482
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: snapper that gets paid becomes the highest paid long snapper.

1483
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: It's get paid, right anyways, Uh, that's just what you do.

1484
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put a little bit of pressure

1485
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: on Chad Ryland. Chad Ryland has to be has to

1486
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: win that competition. If you're gonna tell me that you

1487
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: used a fourth round pick on the guy you're cutting

1488
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: because Nick folks a better kicker than him, that's that's

1489
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna be tough to pill this wall. They need Chad

1490
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: Ryland to work out. They do.

1491
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's like the end of the world,

1492
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: like you know, Fire Belichick is the kicker you No,

1493
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,879
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but they really need that to work.

1494
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: And you can't miss on two kicker picks.

1495
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: And especially when you're Dick in the fourth round, when

1496
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: you have all these other needs and you take a

1497
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: kicker anyways, you right it up for him, which like

1498
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: I don't really care about, but like that's also a

1499
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: part of it.

1500
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 1: That was where they had to take him to get him,

1501
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: because the Niners took Moody ninety nine. That's the game.

1502
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: They were playing the game. But if he doesn't pan out,

1503
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 1: it looks like they panicked that Moody went and they

1504
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: just took the next guy. Yeah, yeah, there is there

1505
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: is some weight on that pick.

1506
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: There is one hundred all right cover Jases, and there's

1507
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: obviously some some guys like Chris Board and maybe some

1508
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: of the rookie corners like Bolden and a mere Speed

1509
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 2: that might factor in here. But these are just pure

1510
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: cover Jason in my mind. Matthew Slater, De Marcus Mitchell,

1511
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: Cody Davis, Brennan Scooer, Calvin Munson, and Roley Webb.

1512
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: Same, same, maybe a little better, just because you figure

1513
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: they get Cody Davis back, right, they lost him last

1514
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: year early on the speaky one. We don't know what

1515
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: he'll look like. He had a pretty serious injury and

1516
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: will he be the same guy, but same, maybe a

1517
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: little better.

1518
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Sam, I think Sam, But I do

1519
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 2: think as a unit. I mean, the amount of resources

1520
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: that they've invested into special teams this offseason to make

1521
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: that unit better is kind of wild, like when you.

1522
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 1: Really forget too Actually, because you did this last week

1523
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. You brought up Bill O'Brien to say

1524
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will be better. Joe Judge is back over

1525
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: there now. Yeah, so yeah, I'll say better.

1526
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you invest this much and I and look,

1527
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: I know a lot of fans already there with cam accord, Like,

1528
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people out there. I

1529
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: get this once a week, like like why does camic

1530
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 2: cord still have a job? Right, Like I can't even

1531
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 2: tell you how many times I've heard that I am

1532
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: with Bill on this. I think camccord's a good coach.

1533
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 2: I think I think he loves football. I think he

1534
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 2: loves special teams. And you need to love special teams

1535
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: to be a special teams coach.

1536
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: Like that's not.

1537
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: There's so many weird nuances to knowing anything about special

1538
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: teams that if you're really going to nerd out and

1539
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: learn about like angles of like holding wherever when he

1540
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 2: taught us that, like the different Like if you're really

1541
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: gonna nerd out and learn how about learn about stuff

1542
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: like that? To coach it, you gotta really love it,

1543
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 2: Like there's I'm sorry, you're not gonna sit there and

1544
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 2: worry about oh, like I like it tilted like a

1545
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: on a this way or that way or this, you know,

1546
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: depending on the win and this and then that, Like

1547
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: you're not gonna do all that kind of stuff if

1548
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: you're not really into it. I think he's got the

1549
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 2: passion for it. I think he brings great energy and

1550
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: I do think that he's a good a good coach.

1551
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 2: But you have now taken two specialists in the draft.

1552
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 2: You have paid Joe Cordona, you have signed Chris Board,

1553
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 2: you have all these cover jases right, all the guys

1554
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: I just named, Like, does any other team carry six

1555
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 2: guys into training camp that are really only gonna play

1556
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: on special teams? I don't think that that's really that

1557
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 2: common across the league. They definitely need to see results

1558
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 2: on special teams this year because they've put a ton

1559
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: of resources personnel wise into it. And we always retry

1560
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: to read between the lines with Bill. He clearly thinks

1561
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: that personnel was the issue last year on special team

1562
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: because that's that's what they've done and they've completely revamped it.

1563
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: So they got to be really good in that phase,

1564
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: like not just better than last year and not you know,

1565
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 2: have the disasters that they had last year on special teams.

1566
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 2: They need to be like what they were a couple

1567
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: of years.

1568
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: They need to be winning games on special teams. They

1569
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: should be blocking kicks and housing returns and things like

1570
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 1: that that decide games.

1571
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, flipping the field with the new punter, things like that,

1572
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: So there's better worse to saying for the entire roster.

1573
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned that you can go back and listen

1574
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: to offense from last week. We did defense special teams

1575
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 2: this week, so we covered all of the bases. A

1576
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: couple of final things exciting that we'll get out to

1577
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: OTA's next week, so we'll have OTAs from eleven to

1578
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 2: one fifteen. I think is like the time that we

1579
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 2: were told today is going to generally be it. So

1580
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: we'll have Catch twenty two on Thursday afternoon. Two o'clock

1581
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 2: might be pushing it. We might be a little bit

1582
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: later than normal, but we'll do it right fresh off

1583
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: of observing OTA, so you'll have a full OTA recap

1584
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: from us, and we'll do that after every single OTA,

1585
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 2: so that will be a lot of fun and you

1586
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: can have all of a wu'll empty the notebook on

1587
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: that one, like we'll give you all the everything that

1588
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 2: happened and everything that went on at OTAs before we

1589
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,440
Speaker 2: get to OTA's though, alex I just dropped a perfectly

1590
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: placed Taylor Swift reference that went right over your head.

1591
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: Which one was the Wildest Dreams one, which is one

1592
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: of her biggest songs. So I'm a little disappointed in you.

1593
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 2: This is like nothing I have seen, Like this might

1594
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,959
Speaker 2: be more than like a home.

1595
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: AFC championship game.

1596
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: What's going on right now for this concert?

1597
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,759
Speaker 1: This is wild.

1598
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 2: The amount of people that were down here just to

1599
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: buy merch on like a random Thursday morning. I pull

1600
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: up to the stadium before avails this morning and there's

1601
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 2: like a line out the freaking parking lot to just

1602
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: buy a T shirt that says Taylor Swift on it.

1603
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 2: Your face is telling me that you have no f's

1604
01:14:56,479 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: about this whatsoever. But these three days are this is like,

1605
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 2: you know, this is one of the biggest events in

1606
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: in Foxborough history. I think that's that's safe to say.

1607
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. I mean it's cool. It's a lot

1608
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: going on. He does not care. Yeah, give me one

1609
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: tailor shift. You gotta have one? Are you ready for it?

1610
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: Was the ESPN college football theme in twenty seventeen. I

1611
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: think you had that answer. No, I like, I mean, like,

1612
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: you know, we used to when I was in college.

1613
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 1: Was when I think it's uh is it red? Is

1614
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: the album with like twenty two in trouble? Yeah? Yeah,

1615
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: so we used to blast that all the time. I

1616
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: kind of stopped following her after that. Yeah, not like

1617
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: still I'm obviously still aware of it, but that was

1618
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 1: like my peak.

1619
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Red in nineteen eighty nine. We were

1620
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: in college for both of those. Those were huge. Her

1621
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 2: new stuff is still good, it's still it's still bops.

1622
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: I'm a bops guy, like I like, I like the

1623
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: pop stuff becaus.

1624
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: Like she's got it's gotten to the point where it's

1625
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: so much like the mythology of Taylor Stift and all that,

1626
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: and that's where you lose me. So I don't have

1627
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: the energy to follow. Well, here's the thing I was

1628
01:15:59,439 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: talking to.

1629
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: Uh, you know this is recently, not not very recently,

1630
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: but somewhat recently. My dad and my uncle on my

1631
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 2: dad's side are real big into music, like you know, seventies. Uh,

1632
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 2: you know, is like they're big decade, I would say,

1633
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: But they're really into music, and you know, they they

1634
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 2: grew up and they had so many great acts, like

1635
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: so many great all time bands, you know, Rolling Stones,

1636
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: the Who's Zeppelin, like just go on down the line,

1637
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: and even like single acts like Elton John and Bruce

1638
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,679
Speaker 2: and Billy Joel and Madonna and like all these and

1639
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: when you really think about it in our generation, like

1640
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 2: she's kind of it, like she's the only one that

1641
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: touches that.

1642
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 1: There like, aren't many acts that can fill up an

1643
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 1: entire stadium for two three.

1644
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: Nights, three straight nights right completely sold out.

1645
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: I mean it's her Foo Fighters I think did back

1646
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,520
Speaker 1: to back nights sold out here kind of recently. Yeah,

1647
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: Green Days up there. Green Days the one like rock

1648
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: band that I can think of that has some of that.

1649
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's just a lot of the bigger

1650
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: acts now they couldn't sell our Chellette, not multiple nights,

1651
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: so she could have done a fourth night and still

1652
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, like she could get down a week

1653
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: she had done residency. The really interesting there's from a

1654
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Somebody wrote this piece about how

1655
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is essentially our generation's Bruce Springsteen. There's the

1656
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: same sort of culture around her and her music and

1657
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: all of that. I always think of that one because

1658
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: my parents are big Bruce people. That's been passed down

1659
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: to me. I'm a big Bruce fan, and when I

1660
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: look at what's going on here and all of that,

1661
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: Obviously it's different now because Bruce's fans are older, and

1662
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to say his contents so watered down,

1663
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: but he's done what ten times, if not one hundred

1664
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: times the shows the Taylor's done. It's just kind of

1665
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: it's been done. When I kind of look at all this,

1666
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: I see it. I can kind of see that similarity.

1667
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: So that being said, I have hiped for Bruce in August.

1668
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: Get that that's gonna be on a Thursday, So I

1669
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll have a show that day, but.

1670
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 2: It's gonna be wild this whole concert. Like, don't if

1671
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 2: you have no purpose to come down here Friday through Sunday,

1672
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: do not come down here, like this is gonna be mayhem.

1673
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: And I also will say, because I already said this

1674
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 2: to you off the air, don't come down here trying

1675
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 2: to tailgate and just like listen to the concert from outside,

1676
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 2: because like there there's gonna be police. And still like

1677
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 2: they're not letting that, they're not letting that happen, because

1678
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 2: there's been other that's happened in other locations on this

1679
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: tour that people have just posted up outside the venue

1680
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: and listened to it from the parking lot, and that's

1681
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: not gonna go down here, like they're gonna be really strict.

1682
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: I grew up like really close to the stadium. Yeah,

1683
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: like really close to the point where so two things.

1684
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of my old I don't

1685
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 1: live there anymore, My parents don't live there anymore. But

1686
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: I was talking to one of my old neighbors the

1687
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: other day. We used to know Sunday's in the fall,

1688
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: and then when there were certain concerts, you go out,

1689
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: you get what you need to get done. On Saturday,

1690
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna stay it. Sunday is a day to stay

1691
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: in and they are very like for the week. They're

1692
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: like they went to the supermarket. They got stocked up.

1693
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: Because I could be able to get to the sup

1694
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: mark with all this. The other thing we used to

1695
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: do that was very cool. You mentioned that people couldn't

1696
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: go and can't come and just sit outside unch the

1697
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 1: concert on the right night, I could sit in my backyard.

1698
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: I remember Beyonce was here in Beyonce and Jay was

1699
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 1: at that. Was that twenty eleven, twenty eleven or twenty twelve,

1700
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was it that long ago? Yeah, I

1701
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: was in high school and a couple of my buddies came.

1702
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: It came over early in the day because didn't want

1703
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: deal with traffic. Yeah, and we sat out in the backyard.

1704
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: We had the girl going. We could hear the concert. Yeah,

1705
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: and if if my parents still live there, that's what

1706
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: I would go and listen from there. That was. That

1707
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: was some fun memories. And I'll just since I'm telling

1708
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: the story because it's a Patriots podcast, I'll bring it

1709
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: back to this. I remember like in I remember for

1710
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: some reason, I remember specifically in O seven. I could

1711
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: probably do it other seasons. I would like listen to

1712
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 1: the game. I have a TV in my room. Grown up,

1713
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: I'd listened to the game. My parents didn't let me.

1714
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: I listened to the game on the radio. Gil Santos, right,

1715
01:19:56,600 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: but I would get spoilers because my window was a open.

1716
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: You can hear I can hear the crowd go nuts,

1717
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 1: and that'd be. But meanwhile, Gil's still setting up first

1718
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, what's gonna happen here we go?

1719
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good off season topic. And yeah,

1720
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too long here. But I

1721
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: think people like Gil Santos are just like that's such

1722
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 2: a his voice. It will be in like the soundtrack

1723
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 2: to I Will Never Forget Childhood.

1724
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: I Will never forget it.

1725
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: What a legend really quickly, Yeah, the Celtics, Like, I

1726
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 2: gotta get something off my chest about the Celtics from

1727
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: last night.

1728
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: Because it's been killing me.

1729
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: The main thing that I find so frustrating about the

1730
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 2: Celtics team is really two things, but they're related. One,

1731
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: they only win games one way. They really only win

1732
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 2: games one way. And when I mean one way, I

1733
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 2: mean like one style, right, Like, they only win they

1734
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: can't win playing the other team's pace or playing the

1735
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 2: other team's way. And if the other team, like last night,

1736
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 2: you know, Spo I thought, had a good game plan

1737
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: to kind of get them out of the drive and

1738
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: kick three point barrage that they put on a Philly

1739
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: in Game seven. If they don't play to that script,

1740
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: they don't win. And I don't know if you this

1741
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: is I think where all the skepticism and all the

1742
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 2: distrust in this team comes from is because if you

1743
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 2: can't win in you know, one, two, three, four different ways,

1744
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 2: it's really hard to win a title that way. Like

1745
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 2: it's really hard to win sixteen games in the postseason

1746
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 2: when you need to win sixteen of them carbon copies

1747
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: of each other. And even in football, like the Patriots out,

1748
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 2: how many different types of games to the Dynasty era

1749
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: Patriots win, you know, like right, defensive battles, offensive out,

1750
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, shootouts, like middle grounds, like they just they

1751
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 2: won them in so many different ways. The Celtics team

1752
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 2: wins one way, it's Missoula ball, it's forty threes, it's

1753
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: drive and kick, it's it's the same thing. It's one

1754
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,799
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty points like that. That's how this team wins.

1755
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: And I think that's where a lot of the distress

1756
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: comes from. The second thing, that third quarter, Like you

1757
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: can't have that third quarter. You can't be you can't

1758
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 2: win championships with giving up forty six point quarters like that, right,

1759
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: And so that that's where it all comes from. But

1760
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: with all that said, I still like them in the series.

1761
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: I still like them to win it all. Like I

1762
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 2: still think that it doesn't matter, Like I still think

1763
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: that they're good enough there it might not matter, but man,

1764
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 2: watching them.

1765
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 1: As a roller coaster, it is a roller coaster, been

1766
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 1: a thing. They've been a bad third quarter team in

1767
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: the playoffs since last year. It's the you know, they've

1768
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: been a negative team and.

1769
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 2: They're so Jacqueline Hyde and it's it's it's it's tired.

1770
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 2: Though I'm tired, here's what I'll say about it. And yeah,

1771
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: they need to be better in the third quarter, and

1772
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: they still certainly can win the series. But I told

1773
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: people not to sleep on this Miami Heat team.

1774
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: I told people, we're not sleep it's such a people

1775
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: are sleep I think a lot of people saw them

1776
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: as an eight seed. No, they don't think Jimmy Butler

1777
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: is a superstar. Jimmy Butler is a superstar, but a

1778
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: lot of people don't think so. And I think the

1779
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: T and T bro oh, I mean, that's ridiculous. But

1780
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: the T and T broadcast, I think said it well

1781
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 1: at halftime. If you were to draft the two teams

1782
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: like old school on a playground, like here's these twenty

1783
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:24,520
Speaker 1: four guy mass draft the series, Felgri and Mas draft.

1784
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 2: The series, Jimmy Butler might be the number one guy drafted,

1785
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 2: might be. I think him and Jason Tatum both have

1786
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 2: a case. And bam Adebaio certainly gets drafted early. Yeah,

1787
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: other than like how many straight Celtics do you get?

1788
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:41,920
Speaker 1: After that? The different but the Heat. They they play

1789
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: so far above their talent level because the motor is

1790
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: just insane.

1791
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: That that was one thing that I was reminded of

1792
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 2: last night because the Celticants were up nine at the

1793
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 2: half and they just kept coming, man right, and they're

1794
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,719
Speaker 2: like they just put their head down and they keep coming.

1795
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: In that spot, the Sixers would have quit. Yeah, the

1796
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: Heat actually played better when you're behind. It's terrible, like

1797
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: so infuriating to watch the Heat play. Yeah, they are.

1798
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on them. I'm not sleeping on them.

1799
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: On them, I would love to root for them like

1800
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: they're they're a perfect basketball team. I will root for

1801
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: them in the finals and they're a perfect beast.

1802
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't root for teams like that.

1803
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 2: Can't do it.

1804
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna root against the Lakers.

1805
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, I root against teams, but like people ask me, like, oh, like, like,

1806
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 2: who are you rooting for in the hockey playoffs with

1807
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: the Ruins out?

1808
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 1: Nobody, no one, everybody loses Vegas, just armageddon. Bruce Cassidy,

1809
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back next week, and hopefully we're

1810
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: back to talk about the Celtics winning that series, or

1811
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 1: at least being ahead in this yeriares or something like that.

1812
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: But like I mentioned, we'll be back and we'll recap

1813
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: o ta's first o TA practice next Thursday. We're looking

1814
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: forward to it until then, signing off for Alex Bartha'm

1815
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Evan Lazar. Thanks for listening to everybody, and we'll see

1816
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:54,040
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