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Speaker 2: Instant reaction. Former NFL scout John Middlecoff three and out podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's NFL schedule release, which is the closest thing to

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Speaker 2: adult entertainment for me once the season ends. This is

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Speaker 2: cotton candy when I was nine. I just I'll eat

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Speaker 2: it until my teeth rot so and I know I

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Speaker 2: like it way more than the average person.

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Speaker 1: But colle can we push back against all the haters

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Speaker 1: sports media. They're like, this isn't that the NFL is

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Speaker 1: an event business. When Dana White announces a fight card,

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal. That's what the NFL is like

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Speaker 1: the games. Do you know what the other Do you

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Speaker 1: to have their games in the regular season? Matter? This matters. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we knew the opponents, but we didn't know the days,

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Speaker 1: the times, the bye weeks, the setup. This is an

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Speaker 2: Right Listen, you can tell they want Jim Harbaugh to

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Speaker 2: They want listen, there are certain things the NFL they're

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Speaker 2: this is the strongest Amazon Thursday night schedule. Remember the

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Speaker 2: first few years of Amazon it was awful.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was like Titans Texans when the

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Speaker 2: So the first now Thursday, they start with Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: And I think he like, I think it's pretty telling.

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Speaker 2: Did you notice with the Cowboys schedule and we know

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Speaker 2: three of the four on the road, and you come

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Speaker 2: out of that road street with Dallas two weeks later.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers like, that's rough. And did you see the

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Speaker 2: last six quarterbacks Pittsburgh faces Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Mahomes, and Burrow. Like, look, Mike Tomlin is

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Speaker 2: going to be on a network broadcasting, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: I predict he'll be great. I've talked to two network

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Speaker 2: execs who would hire Mike Tomlin tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Are you short in the Steelers this year?

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Speaker 2: I am short in them. I mean, did you have

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Speaker 2: to put at the end of the year the last

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Speaker 2: three quarterbacks, Lamar, Mahomes and Burrow in the last month.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the story though about Burrow's hand surgery

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Speaker 1: the percentage of it keeping You know, most surgeries are

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Speaker 1: ninety to ninety five percent that risk. Hand surgery is

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Speaker 1: like seventy to seventy five percent success rate, and then

443
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Speaker 1: it no matter how well it goes, there's basically guaranteed inflammation.

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Speaker 1: It's a little trickier than just your ACL or your

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Speaker 1: broken leg. I do think that's something to keep a

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Speaker 1: heavy eye on. Now. If he plays seventeen games, I

447
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Speaker 1: think we'd all acknowledge they're going to be one of

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Speaker 1: the better teams in the NFL. But if that thing

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Speaker 1: crops up where it is, I mean, it would be

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Speaker 1: a major problem. I thought the moment that they signed

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Speaker 1: Russ before we even knew their schedule or who they

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Speaker 1: were playing. One. They're not financially invested in them at all, right,

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Speaker 1: they're paying them about a million dollars were even Denver

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Speaker 1: last year. Let's say hypothetically Sean Payton was out on

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Speaker 1: him by October first financially, he had to see if

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Speaker 1: he could make it work. And then the least there

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Speaker 1: is not going to be long. They have no draft

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Speaker 1: capital invested, they have nothing invested, and they do have

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Speaker 1: another guy in a one year contract who might not

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Speaker 1: be good either, but at least this physically brings a

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Speaker 1: lot more to the table. And we saw Arthur Smith,

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Speaker 1: you know, win with Ryan Tanny Hill and Mark's Mariota.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I just don't think this guy's getting

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Speaker 1: a long leash. He's not going to be Dinking and

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Speaker 1: Duncan and they're one to three and he gets to

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Speaker 1: keep his job.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I just I look, I mean, you move.

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Speaker 1: Teams and they're not paying anything. He better play well

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Speaker 1: and they better have success or he will go to

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Speaker 1: the Pine.

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Speaker 2: I looked at Pittsburgh today and I thought, I know,

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlins never had a losing season that last six

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Speaker 2: game stretch, you'll have the second best quarterback in all

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Speaker 2: of those games, all of them. You know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things I always look at is how many great

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks do you face? The Jets don't face a lot

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Speaker 2: of great quarterbacks. But again, they have seven standalone games,

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Speaker 2: six night games, five short weeks, an international game. So

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Speaker 2: the Jets schedule's pretty easy. The NFL didn't do him

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Speaker 2: any favors with night, standalones, international. I look at Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: and there's just no way if the Jets have the

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Speaker 2: easiest schedule in terms of facing elite quarterbacks, the Steelers

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Speaker 2: got ho that last month and a half. They'll be

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Speaker 2: underdogs potentially in all those games.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if everyone's healthy, they usually could lose

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Speaker 1: to the Ravens twice. I mean the Bengals, the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Yeah, it's just that's really really brutal. And

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Speaker 1: let's face it, by that time, you're not one hundred percent,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have some injuries. They've kind of been at

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Speaker 1: a similar spot the last several years. They usually don't

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Speaker 1: have some huge margin for error, right, they don't start

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Speaker 1: the seasons nine to three that they've been hovering around

493
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Speaker 1: five hundred right till the bitter end these last couple

494
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Speaker 1: of years. So I understand what they did. I would

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Speaker 1: have done with their their moves at quarterback, getting rid

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Speaker 1: of Kenny Pickett, getting rid of the group they had

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Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. But just because those

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Speaker 1: guys are much more famous doesn't mean they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: much more effective. And I'm not a Deshaun Watson guy.

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Speaker 1: But obviously, if Lamar is healthy and Joe Burrow is healthy,

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Speaker 1: the gap between Russell Wilson Justin Field's quarterback room is

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Speaker 1: a mile long.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Philadelphia is one of the real blue bloods in

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Speaker 2: terms of at Fox like. We like Philadelphia winning, Philadelphia winning,

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Speaker 2: and Philadelphia usually does, so Philadelphia is really good for

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Speaker 2: Fox Boy. The NFL could have made that now. They

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Speaker 2: opened with Green Bay, you know, week two at.

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Speaker 1: L eight hours away, I mean in international territory right.

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Speaker 2: Right, So it's tough for both the home game. But

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Speaker 2: then week two, Atlanta, Week three, New Orleans week four,

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Speaker 2: Tampa week five, by into Cleveland the Giants. Philadelphia is

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Speaker 2: going to get off to a good start. That's a

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty favorable schedule, and even at the end

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Speaker 2: of the year, they end with the Giants. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Giants could be the worst team in the league. And

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Speaker 2: you know they also end They've got Carolina in week fourteen.

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Speaker 2: They've got Washington in week sixteen. Like again, like if

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Speaker 2: this is where the schedule matters, like I do think

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Speaker 2: Nick Sirianni, this is a pressure year, right, Mike McCarthy,

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Speaker 2: It's a pressure year. Philadelphia looks like they should at

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Speaker 2: least start and finish the season on winning notes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: come on Week two, Atlanta, Week three, New Orleans, Week four, Tampa.

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Speaker 2: You've got a much better roster than those teams.

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Speaker 1: Well, they get a huge advantage from the simple fact

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Speaker 1: of Washington starting a rookie quarterback. Philly should beat them twice,

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Speaker 1: and that they have owned the Giants.

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Speaker 2: And the Giants this is one of the weaker Giants teams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the Giants, I think have a chance

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Speaker 1: to be one of the worst teams in the league.

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, I mean, the Cowboy Eagles games

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Speaker 1: have been really good for the most part. But I

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Speaker 1: think we all have to acknowledge sitting here today, the

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Speaker 1: two rosters that the gap widened over the offseason do

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Speaker 1: you agree with that between the Cowboys and the Eagles, Like,

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Speaker 1: I think the Eagles should be the heavy favorite. I

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Speaker 1: can look at the current odds.

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Speaker 2: I have Washington finishing second. So you know what's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's out of the Honestly, both teams

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Speaker 1: could be seven eight not you know, seven eight wins

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Speaker 1: right then, and the Cowboys kind of range.

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Speaker 2: Here's one of the things. Two years ago and last year,

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Speaker 2: I really felt like the AFC with they hit on

543
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Speaker 2: so many young quarterbacks, the AFC CBS finally, even though

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Speaker 2: they have smaller markets than the NFC and Fox, Like,

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Speaker 2: I was finding myself watching a lot of AFC games

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Speaker 2: and then a lot of the quarterbacks got dinged up

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Speaker 2: or hurt. If Caleb and Jaden Daniels hit. You know,

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Speaker 2: Washington and Chicago, those are big TV markets and they've

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Speaker 2: been dormant for about fifteen years. Is very quietly, and

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Speaker 2: it's good for my employer. The NFC big markets Chicago, Philadelphia,

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Speaker 2: Washington could be back because I think Caleb and Jaden

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Speaker 2: Daniels are gonna be hits. I mean, you know this,

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Speaker 2: Washington twenty years ago, John was arguably not only a

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Speaker 2: blue blood, it was a third best TV draw in

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Speaker 2: the sport. It was. I mean, the Joe Gibbs years

556
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Speaker 2: ninety ninety one, ninety two, those were like high profile, quirky,

557
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Speaker 2: fun crazy super Bowl and they just, due to bad ownership,

558
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Speaker 2: went into the tank.

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Speaker 1: That's why that RG three year was such a big year.

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Speaker 1: It felt bigger, you know, it felt longer than just

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Speaker 1: a twelve months fan yep.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting to me if Caleb and Jaden hit,

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Speaker 2: it's not just good for the teams, it helps the

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Speaker 2: NFC because the AFC in the last six seven years,

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Speaker 2: they just keep hitting on these guys Herbert Burrow, Lamar Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence, c J. Stroud. It changes the league,

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Speaker 2: it changes your conference. So I think Jaden and Caleb

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Speaker 2: are hits they feel like. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 2: if Eber Flues lasts, but I have Philadelphia, Washington, Dallas third,

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Speaker 2: Giants fourth.

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Speaker 1: I would p probably agree with you sitting here right now,

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Speaker 1: and I would probably put Dallas. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: they could take a big step back. And when I

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Speaker 1: say a big step back, I mean they've been winning

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Speaker 1: twelve games for three straight years, so all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you win eight, that'd be a disaster, Audios McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: But they're going to be dependent on a young offensive line,

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Speaker 1: a lot of moving pieces. You and I have talked

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Speaker 1: about and you've been hammering this forever, Dak dependence on

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Speaker 1: the running game. I mean, they're going back to the

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. Well, they don't have a choice, right, They

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Speaker 1: need a running back. The NFC's pretty top heavy, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the forty nine ers have dominated for five

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Speaker 1: years now. The Lions are really good, the Packers have

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Speaker 1: kind of consistently been good. The Eagles, so if the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys step back, there's going to be an opening. I

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Speaker 1: think Tampa's pretty good. I mean, I think Jason like

588
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Speaker 1: did a really good job of keeping that team together.

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Speaker 1: Baker does not need to be the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: He just has to play. I don't know, like a

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr did with the Raiders or Cousins you know

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Speaker 1: has done with Minnesota. He does not need to be

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in his prime, which is ideal for him

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Speaker 1: and I think feels pretty good. And just from a

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Speaker 1: talent standpoint, high end players, Tampa has a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: Tampa has a lot of them, and I know everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about Atlanta. I can see Tampa winning ten plus games.

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Speaker 2: So let's circle back to what we initially said. It

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Speaker 2: does look like that the NFL really made more than

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Speaker 2: I remember the standalone game bigs. Now, Fox is always

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Speaker 2: owned Sunday Afternoon. That that game's been big forever, so

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Speaker 2: they'll always do fine. But Monday Night, Yeah, Monday Night

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Speaker 2: football schedule is the best I've ever seen Sunday Night football,

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Speaker 2: Star quarterback in every week except Week fifteen. Amazon best Thursday.

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Speaker 2: So I think what the league is saying is, as

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Speaker 2: we circle back on this Sunday early is a little

607
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Speaker 2: bit of an appetizer. We're gonna go Fox, CBS big

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Speaker 2: Sunday Afternoon, big Sunday Night, Big Monday Night, and a

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Speaker 2: massively improved Amazon Thursday, and then Netflix on Christmas. So

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Speaker 2: in terms of you know, one of the things I

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Speaker 2: don't love, I think it's hurt other leagues. It's really

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Speaker 2: hurt baseball and NBA is now moving into it. You're

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Speaker 2: making it harder for consumers to find the games.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The NFL's fairly bulletproof. Listen, and almost everybody I know

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Speaker 2: has Netflix. I mean, they really do Netflix is everywhere. Amazon.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a soul who doesn't have it, right.

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Speaker 2: Amazon, I have. I don't know if I would without

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Speaker 2: the NFL. I definitely would not have Peacock without the NFL,

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Speaker 2: I definitely would not. I don't think i'd have Amazon.

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Speaker 2: They offer it every time I go to Whole Foods,

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Speaker 2: but I don't go there a lot. But I would

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Speaker 2: say that Netflix is. I just think I know some

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Speaker 2: things in life, like I'll give an example. It used

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Speaker 2: to be so easy to turn on a fuck television.

626
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Speaker 2: I got three things to turn on, four or five.

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Speaker 2: If you move anymore and go into a new place,

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine being seventy years old and you just

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Speaker 2: want to watch sixty minutes. It is such a pain

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Speaker 2: in the ass to watch TV now, but it's what's

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Speaker 2: happened with technology. It'll be easier in twenty years. It's

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Speaker 2: not always easy. All the streaming is a pain in

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Speaker 2: the butt, especially for older consumers. But my takeaway, like

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Speaker 2: baseball is so desperate, they're on rogue coup now on

635
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Speaker 2: like Sunday mornings, which is embarrassing. But I think we

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Speaker 2: just have to come to terms with it, is that

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Speaker 2: at some point you have to get. Like ESPN Plus

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Speaker 2: is hemorrhaging. They have the UFC, which I buy four

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Speaker 2: or five packages a year, but other than that, I

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Speaker 2: don't buy anything on ESPN Plus. It's hemorrhaging thirty five

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Speaker 2: million a year. I think. I think the reality is

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Speaker 2: like Netflix, they stop growing internationally, like they hit a

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Speaker 2: ceiling with subscribers. What's the only way to add thirty

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Speaker 2: million domestic subscribers?

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Speaker 3: The NFL.

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Speaker 1: Isn't NBA currently kind of losing their ass? Aren't they struggling?

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Speaker 2: Well, have you seen the NBA schedule? They may win.

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Speaker 2: You're just signing a check to lose eight hundred million

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 1: So I get for them to survive over the next

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Speaker 1: ten years. I'm with you. I've defended I'm a bad

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Speaker 1: guy to ask because I cut the cord and I

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Speaker 1: have YouTube TV, So my transition to the NFL package

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Speaker 1: was pretty seamless. Like I'm with you. Netflix everyone has

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Speaker 1: if you're an Amazon Prime subscriber, mean you get free shipping,

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Speaker 1: you get it free. So like I have them, and

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Speaker 1: she watches so many shows on Bravo. Peacock is connected

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Speaker 1: with them, so we have them. So it's harder for

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Speaker 1: me to understand, like I understand if a guy doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of money. NBC, CBS, FOXS always been

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Speaker 1: so easy. But these channels aren't gonna exist in the

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Speaker 1: next ten or twenty years. And Netflix is going nowhere,

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Speaker 1: and Apple TV is going nowhere, and Amazon is they

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Speaker 1: have all the money. So, like you said, NBC is

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Speaker 1: going to lose their ass. Netflix could have done it,

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Speaker 1: lose their ass not even noticed. They just chose not

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Speaker 1: to because they realize how many people are actually gonna want.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it worth NBC's NBA deal, which I

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Speaker 2: don't think is a good deal. I mean, if we're terrible,

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Speaker 2: they don't get any finals and they only get a

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Speaker 2: conference final every other year. Plus the league's getting very international,

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Speaker 2: so I honestly think and I love the NBA. I

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Speaker 2: love the NBA, I have forever, but the league is

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Speaker 2: becoming a little it's becoming a little like baseball and hockey.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the stars are guys we don't follow

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Speaker 2: in college, so it's getting very international. And now you're

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Speaker 2: going to force people to watch it on Amazon and Peacock,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sorry that it's not going to help their

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Speaker 2: domestic ratings or domestic popularity. Now, the NBA, because it

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Speaker 2: has stars, will not be baseball or hockey. It'll always

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Speaker 2: draw people because of stars. But I think a lot

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Speaker 2: of these cable like NBC going NBA, it's just a

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Speaker 2: it's a hail Mary. It keeps them relevant for about

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Speaker 2: six to eight more years and that's it.

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Speaker 1: I just think technology changed so quickly. It feels like

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Speaker 1: we've been doing this for so long. I look, Netflix

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Speaker 1: had seventy million total subscribers less than ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: They have two hundred and seventy million now. I'm getting

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Speaker 1: new blinds in my house. It's all automated on my phone.

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Speaker 1: And I looked at the guy. I said, I opened

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Speaker 1: my garage on my phone, my pool sweepers on my phone.

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Speaker 1: I can do my ice maker on my phone. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna come a day in our lives where everything's on this.

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Speaker 1: It's no different with streaming. Everything we do is gonna

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Speaker 1: be under some umbrella, under Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV. It's

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Speaker 1: it's not when's it gonna happen, It's happening now. And

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Speaker 1: I think I give the credit to the and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a lot of the owner's kids, because I

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Speaker 1: do think the older Guard is very, very loyal because

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Speaker 1: they've made them all of their money off the old Guard, TV, right,

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Speaker 1: the money, CBS, NBC. Let's face it, generationally, you're just

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Speaker 1: not gonna be as loyal because you'll just start looking

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Speaker 1: at the books and see who has the money, and

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Speaker 1: they want in. You don't even need to really beg them.

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Speaker 1: They want in, and then you give them a taste

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Speaker 1: what happens with the NFL, they're gonna want seem not

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Speaker 1: gonna regret it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also, but I also think there is such power.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know what time all the NFL games

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Speaker 2: are on right now as we speak. I have no clue.

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Speaker 2: In Baseball, MLS and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Well, their games don't match, but the regular season games

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Speaker 1: don't matter.

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Speaker 2: The NFL does have something where I think it will

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Speaker 2: help Fox and CBS and and Monday night football. Is

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Speaker 2: I know the schedule. It might it's baked into my life.

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Speaker 2: I know. I literally do travel, so I travel a

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Speaker 2: lot during the football season. I'go and and I'll go

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Speaker 2: to Chicago. I've already bought those flights. I've bought those

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Speaker 2: slights based on the NFL schedule. So I think the

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Speaker 2: traditional you know your power TV networks, old school media,

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Speaker 2: traditional media, Fox, CBS. You can never give that up because,

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Speaker 2: by the way, do you know, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: fans in the NFL are fifty five plus fifty five

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Speaker 2: plus people. The older you get, you watch three things politics,

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Speaker 2: news and sports on traditional TV, and that's not going away.

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Speaker 1: I would say the difference though, is, and I'm a

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Speaker 1: YouTube TV subscriber, I don't ever go forever, right, you

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Speaker 1: go to a guide. I don't have a guide. It

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Speaker 1: just shows me. It knows what I like. It just

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Speaker 1: has up Fox Sports, it just has the things I watch.

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Speaker 1: So I never go to a guide in search. With

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Speaker 1: the NFL, you don't have to search because you know

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're looking for. But other sports, I don't

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Speaker 1: know baseball games on where I used to ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. If the NFL did, if the NBA did,

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Speaker 1: NFL numbers and baseball did too, these networks would have

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Speaker 1: it and be fine. I think where it's troubling it's

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Speaker 1: the NFL is just the one day a week, right,

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Speaker 1: and you have all this empty space. And that's where

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Speaker 1: Netflix and Amazon have such an advantage because they don't

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Speaker 1: give a shit their stuff just lives. I saw a

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Speaker 1: study that Netflix gets much more of a retention based

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Speaker 1: on a show when they release all ten episodes immediately

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Speaker 1: with the show, because you're much more the con is

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Speaker 1: so much more used to especially their consumer of watching

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Speaker 1: a minimum two or three episodes immediately, where whenever you

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Speaker 1: watch a show, let's say on HBO or like a

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Speaker 1: weekly it throws you off. Yeah, like I'm ready for

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Speaker 1: the next episode. I just think our consumer habits, especially

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Speaker 1: with people under fifty, have just changed dramatically in a

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Speaker 1: short short period of time, and it's just gonna be fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I just think these owners, though, especially their children, have

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Speaker 1: proven whenever this next deal, like whoever has the most money, like,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna lean that way. That's been Roger's big claim.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get us twenty five billion dollars one day. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's what they're keep going for and they keep growing

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Speaker 1: and growing. And that's where just the state of the economy,

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Speaker 1: the amount of money Netflix and Amazon have to throw around,

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Speaker 1: it's not a fair fight. Yeah, Apple wanted to get involved.

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Speaker 1: They could lap everybody. It's just really and you're talking

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Speaker 1: about such high numbers. It's why when these teams come

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Speaker 1: for sale. How many people are really involved? Like who

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Speaker 1: has that type money? It's a very very small percentage

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Speaker 1: of people. It's kind of no different here, like when

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Speaker 1: this next TV deals up in three or four years,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty clear if they want to get involved, and

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Speaker 1: some of them already are, they can just write checks

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Speaker 1: that other people can't even fathom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, this has been good. So John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 2: former NFL scout three and out little instant reaction for

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Speaker 2: thirty five to forty minutes on the NFL schedule. I

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Speaker 2: loved it.

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Speaker 1: Great start to I think opening weekend, Thursday night game,

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Speaker 1: the Friday night game in Brazil, Sunday night Rams at Detroit,

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Speaker 1: and then Niners Jets. That's just a great just let's

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Speaker 1: hit the ground running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, buddy, good talk to him.

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Speaker 1: See you the volume.

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