Speaker 1: On the Bechdecast, the questions asked if movies have women
Speaker 1: and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zeffen, best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.
Speaker 2: Hello, listeners, it's us.
Speaker 3: Ever heard of us? This is a wild This is
Speaker 3: a wild episode to introduce, not only because I think
Speaker 3: it's one of our most if not our most chaotic
Speaker 3: live episode to date, but it also took place five
Speaker 3: full months ago, so you're kind of being introduced to
Speaker 3: past versions of ourselves. Who knows so much just happened?
Speaker 3: Someonech has taken place since this historic episode.
Speaker 4: Was recorded, but uh so true.
Speaker 3: We were waiting for the summer to release it because
Speaker 3: it just feels like a summary episode. Even though we
Speaker 3: recorded it in February. You clicked on it, you know
Speaker 3: what it is. We covered the Hannah Montana movie with
Speaker 3: Robert Evans in front of a live studio audience, and
Speaker 3: I threw a knife into the audience by accident.
Speaker 2: Yes, which we don't really acknowledge, at least verbally as
Speaker 2: it happened on stage. But here's the thing. We live
Speaker 2: streamed that show and you can still buy like on
Speaker 2: demand tickets for it. So if you want to see
Speaker 2: the moment where Jamie, I think you're just sort of
Speaker 2: like jokingly like waving around this. It was like a
Speaker 2: knife in its case, but it also had smaller knives inside.
Speaker 3: Literally I was like, of course, of course, where I
Speaker 3: had four or five knives in a single sheath question mark.
Speaker 3: I'd assumed it was just the one like machete, but no,
Speaker 3: there were also the machete also had sons. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: All knife stories are about fathers and arts.
Speaker 5: And we've been talking about this for years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I did throw a knife into
Speaker 3: the audience. I will say quick update.
Speaker 4: I don't even think I've.
Speaker 3: Told you this, Caitlin, that the person who I almost
Speaker 3: hit with a knife, it fell at their feet. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like a you know, missed their head or anything
Speaker 3: like that. But again, this is it's such a.
Speaker 4: Weird plug for.
Speaker 3: Buying the live stream to be like, watch, I almost
Speaker 3: really hurt somebody, but you can see it in the
Speaker 3: live stream either way. They came to a book promo
Speaker 3: show I did at the same venue, Curious Comedy Theater
Speaker 3: in Portland several months later and we had a good
Speaker 3: laugh about Knifegate, so it's all good. I just wanted
Speaker 3: to say that at the top. And also just this
Speaker 3: episode was so I mean, this episode was so fun
Speaker 3: for a lot of reasons, but mainly because I think
Speaker 3: it's fun because our show has been on for so
Speaker 3: long now that we've like teased the fact that we
Speaker 3: would someday do this episode for probably for three or
Speaker 3: four years.
Speaker 6: Many years, yes, many moons, a lot of sunrise, is
Speaker 6: a lot of sunsets since we've been threatening to do
Speaker 6: this episode and we did, and it is It was
Speaker 6: everything I dreamed and a knife attack.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was such a treat to do. We had
Speaker 2: so much fun and there was a knife but everyone survived.
Speaker 2: And also another reason to check out the live stream
Speaker 2: if you want to do that, either instead of or
Speaker 2: in addition to listening to the audio only episode boring.
Speaker 2: But look, we're wearing wigs.
Speaker 5: Okay, oh I forgot we were wearing We are wearing wigs.
Speaker 2: Our wigs kept falling off, and that's visual comedy is
Speaker 2: Robert Evans also wears a wig. You'll see all of
Speaker 2: the knives that he brought to this stage and doled out.
Speaker 4: To Sophie's there, Sophie.
Speaker 3: Sophie came on stage. It was and you can also
Speaker 3: see an argument between another person who came to the
Speaker 3: rat Dog Show as well. At some point, I accidentally
Speaker 3: encouraged Robert and an audience member to get into a
Speaker 3: fight about chickens or farms.
Speaker 4: I don't know, eggs.
Speaker 2: It's specifically the number of eggs that get produced. We
Speaker 2: cut it out of the episode because it just didn't
Speaker 2: translate very well to the audio medium. But but you
Speaker 2: can watch that. It's extremely stressful to There's also a
Speaker 2: horny looking corn dog apparently or a hot I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's there's a very phallic hot dog.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that was huge.
Speaker 5: It was massive.
Speaker 3: Got this show really it's really taking me back to
Speaker 3: a simpler time. But it was an altogether menacing night
Speaker 3: and I loved every.
Speaker 4: Second of it.
Speaker 2: Delightful.
Speaker 3: So take a trip memory lane with us, and let's
Speaker 3: check out the Hannah Montana movie with of course Robert Evans.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you love him from behind the
Speaker 3: bastards from it could happen here from all cool Zone
Speaker 3: media endeavors. And you know, if you're listening to this show,
Speaker 3: you know who Robert is. We love Robert to death
Speaker 3: and we have been waiting to I mean, and as
Speaker 3: you know, it's a rare privilege for men to be
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 3: So he paid us for that. No, I'm kidding, he didn't.
Speaker 3: We did pay him anyways, and we wanted to plug again.
Speaker 3: This actually for those trying to do Bechdle cast continuity.
Speaker 3: This was recorded the same night of our show with
Speaker 3: Sarah Marshall at Curious Comedy with our Goonies episode, and
Speaker 3: we were so lucky to partner with Curious Comedy again.
Speaker 3: So we just wanted to shout out everyone there and yeehaw, bitch,
Speaker 3: enjoy the episode.
Speaker 2: Enjoy.
Speaker 8: Welcome everybody the Curious Comedy Theater. Make some noise for
Speaker 8: the Bechdel cast. Please keep it going for Jamie and Caitlin.
Speaker 1: The ptr Zephyn bast start changing.
Speaker 5: With the cast.
Speaker 4: Wow, welcome, we've changed.
Speaker 5: The show is pivoted hard okay, Hi, Oh, you're just
Speaker 5: gonna be yourself Okay, I guess we hadn't pre planned
Speaker 5: a bit. Sorry, my han's gonna be slipping and sliding
Speaker 5: off this very real hair.
Speaker 2: We we should come up with alter ego names for us. Yes,
Speaker 2: such as Kate Lanna Montana.
Speaker 5: No notes, I think it's great. I would like to
Speaker 5: be Bambi Massachusetts. Oh yes, she's nothing like Hannah Montana
Speaker 5: and that's what makes her special.
Speaker 4: She can't sing for ship.
Speaker 2: Wait what is what is Keanu Reeves's character in Point Break?
Speaker 2: His last name Johnny Utah. Okay, I'm Johnny.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you're Johnny Utah's long lost sister.
Speaker 4: That's genuinely a great.
Speaker 5: That's like a good roller Derby name too. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: really powerful. Bamby Massachusetts. Really not much to say about her.
Speaker 5: She's mostly uh, just you know, a terrible singer and
Speaker 5: basically incompetent. That's that's my alter ego that I like
Speaker 5: to slip in and out of love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome to the Bechtel cap Thank you for guy.
Speaker 4: We're so excited you're here. We haven't been.
Speaker 5: Oh god, oh no, I think this is just gonna
Speaker 5: keep happening. This is we actually got a really like
Speaker 5: expensive nice wig for the show, and you can tell
Speaker 5: by the fact that it isn't working. It's happening apart. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna really nice wow. Okay, so this is
Speaker 5: we're just gonna be balding the whole time. That's totally fine.
Speaker 5: But no, we're so excited to be back in Portland.
Speaker 5: We haven't been here for three years. Is anyone here
Speaker 5: the last time we did a show here?
Speaker 4: Wow, welcome back?
Speaker 5: Okay? Is anyone here just because they're like a hand
Speaker 5: of Montana fan? Is anyone here just like to tell
Speaker 5: me the seven things you hate about me? Yeah, we're okay,
Speaker 5: we should tell them what.
Speaker 4: The show is. Yes, yes, this is the Spectal Cast.
Speaker 2: My name is Calin Derante AKA, my name's Joni Utah.
Speaker 5: My n is Jamie loftus a pay Bambi Massachusetts. And no,
Speaker 5: we're thrilled to be back, and we're thrilled to be
Speaker 5: talking about kind of one of the greatest cinematic achievements of.
Speaker 4: Our of our era.
Speaker 5: I think, yes, this is normally this is our podcast
Speaker 5: where we take an intersectional feminist look at your favorite
Speaker 5: movies tonight.
Speaker 4: I'm really not sure what it's going to be.
Speaker 2: If you're expecting like really thorough, thoughtful discourse, it's come
Speaker 2: to the right place. Yes, that's what will happen here tonight.
Speaker 5: When people are talking about like put your thinking caps on,
Speaker 5: I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it's so intellectual what you're about.
Speaker 4: And see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in fact, one of us might even have
Speaker 2: a master's degree. And I would never mention that.
Speaker 4: Not so jony, you would never. I would never.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is our show, The Bechtel Cast, where
Speaker 2: we analyze movies through and intersectional feminist lens, using the
Speaker 2: Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. But Bamby Massachusetts
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 5: Well, it was a media metric invented by a huge
Speaker 5: fan of Bamby Massachusetts, where Gartana is Alison Bechdel.
Speaker 4: A lot of versions of the test.
Speaker 5: Our version of the test requires that to Hannah Montana's
Speaker 5: with names talk to each other about something other than
Speaker 5: an identity crisis.
Speaker 4: And most movies do not pass this test pretty rare.
Speaker 2: In fact, maybe only one movie does yes, and it's
Speaker 2: not this one.
Speaker 4: It's Fight Club. It actually kind of works. Is Anna
Speaker 4: Montana the same movie as I?
Speaker 9: Truly?
Speaker 5: Oh, I've got this in my notes.
Speaker 4: I just didn't like It's it's a beautiful.
Speaker 5: It's a gift from like Anna Montana and young people
Speaker 5: with identity crises. I mean, she was there for us,
Speaker 5: and her winning was not good it was. It was thrilling. Okay,
Speaker 5: so I mean, but we have we have a very
Speaker 5: special guest with us, and I also hello to the
Speaker 5: live stream.
Speaker 4: Yes, I guess that's all I have to say there.
Speaker 5: And in the last one, I accident I forgot that
Speaker 5: I once again insulted the city of San Francisco.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, oh wait, anyone can see this,
Speaker 4: they're watching. Yeah, I will not be allowed within the
Speaker 4: city limits again.
Speaker 5: And that's fucking fine. But we have we have an
Speaker 5: amazing guest who is a huge Hannah Montana fan. We've
Speaker 5: been and honestly, and I don't mean to like embarrass him,
Speaker 5: but like he's been at least once a week. It's
Speaker 5: like thirty texts in a row, Like when can I
Speaker 5: talk about this subject.
Speaker 4: I'm so passionate about people.
Speaker 5: You know, people assume I'm like one kind of person,
Speaker 5: but really I'm like a number one Hannah stan and
Speaker 5: I want to talk about it. I'm like, oh, my god, enough,
Speaker 5: that's his alter ego.
Speaker 2: Our guest is, oh, a journalist, Oh behind the bastards,
Speaker 2: but oh I have an eye.
Speaker 5: And it's like okay, but what but what's what's just
Speaker 5: beneath their secretly. Yeah, it's a Hannah Montana number one fan.
Speaker 5: He's a number one fan of Montana. So let's get
Speaker 5: him out here. Uh he's uh, Boston's number one prop comic.
Speaker 4: Please give it up.
Speaker 7: Foreverada, we prefer to be called Hannah mont Fanas.
Speaker 5: So, first off, thank you for breaking I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: Sorry, holy shit.
Speaker 5: Well I feel very safe, I think right now.
Speaker 7: Would you like some weapons?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we are in the state of Oregon, which, in
Speaker 7: it's very enlightened nature allows the open carry of any
Speaker 7: kind of knife. So I brought a couple.
Speaker 5: Oh sensing some clenching butthole.
Speaker 7: In the crown, and in honor of your corn dog,
Speaker 7: I brought you this let's call.
Speaker 5: And I just wanted to say. I wanted to shout out,
Speaker 5: where's the audience member that gave me the corn dog? Hello?
Speaker 5: What's your name? Thank you Max? Because this corn dog
Speaker 5: is pornographic that he gave me, absolutely fucking sick. I
Speaker 5: will be contacting, uh, the authorities that I don't believe
Speaker 5: in her trust. But this is like, I mean, look
Speaker 5: at this.
Speaker 7: They really do look exactly alike when they say.
Speaker 5: All movies are about fathers and sons this is what
Speaker 5: they're talking about. Well, I mean, okay, yeah, what is
Speaker 5: this called.
Speaker 7: It's called a rungu. It's a war.
Speaker 4: Club, so it's a it's a whack.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're for it's for hitting stuff.
Speaker 4: It's a whacker, all right.
Speaker 7: Now, this is extremely dangerous, Caitlin. It can't be closed.
Speaker 7: We'll just set that down here.
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh my god.
Speaker 7: I received that in the mail in an anonymous box
Speaker 7: of knives from a fan who said his grandfather had
Speaker 7: sort of lost his mind later in life and just
Speaker 7: kept ordering knives for the Budca catalog and they couldn't
Speaker 7: figure out what to do with them, so they sent
Speaker 7: them to me.
Speaker 4: Does it.
Speaker 7: Does? It's very dangerous. Yeah, I'm gonna if there's no
Speaker 7: way to safely carry or transport it.
Speaker 4: And yet you did that your bag.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is maybe a ridiculous question, but like, what
Speaker 5: is the desired effect for when you like because there's
Speaker 5: also like a I'm afraid it's kind of like spring
Speaker 5: out and it's not spring loaded.
Speaker 7: It's far too heavy for that.
Speaker 5: There's a gorgeous angel with huge naturals on this as well,
Speaker 5: which you can't see because we're afraid to pick it up.
Speaker 7: But fear is a natural reaction to that knife.
Speaker 4: If I was using it, what would happen to someone?
Speaker 7: Well, you would hurt yourself first. I suspect it doesn't.
Speaker 7: I did use it to trim at one point, but
Speaker 7: it didn't endwell for me.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay?
Speaker 5: And then I believe you have two more weapons with you.
Speaker 4: Is that correct?
Speaker 7: I just got one here for someone else.
Speaker 5: Oh well, actually I feel like we should get another
Speaker 5: woman on stage.
Speaker 7: Oh yea better? Feel safe?
Speaker 5: Can we actually give me around our producer, Sophie Lichterman?
Speaker 4: Much better?
Speaker 5: Go way way better.
Speaker 4: There's a mic right there. All right, it's it's actually
Speaker 4: Sophie Caliphofi.
Speaker 5: You're like to be properly introduced next time. Thank you
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 4: What is this weapon you've got?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's very happy that.
Speaker 5: Notice how he's afraid when I do this?
Speaker 4: And what would that do? Would it give you a
Speaker 4: little scrape?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean can we open her up? Please? Sure?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Okay, my god.
Speaker 7: Now, Sophie, you want to keep a drink in one
Speaker 7: hand and just kind of wave that. It feels real good.
Speaker 4: You never felt happier.
Speaker 5: I'm also afraid to move my arm.
Speaker 7: No, it's fairly, it's it's blunt. That's the safest kind
Speaker 7: of knife.
Speaker 5: It makes really yea persa. Yeah, I think I got
Speaker 5: the safest one because I can't be trusted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, this is it's hefty. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's hefty, all right.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I think I feel pretty good about this.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be like, trust you with it, Yeah, I do. Well, Okay,
Speaker 5: it's just kind of a slick surface. It's kind of
Speaker 5: a water slide situation up there. I do think this
Speaker 5: is the first time in Bechdel cast history that we
Speaker 5: have invited a male guest on and he immediately approached
Speaker 5: us by explaining things to us and introducing act of
Speaker 5: violence into the situation.
Speaker 7: You made me watch the Hanna moon Hand movie.
Speaker 5: I mean fair okay, which you in keeping with the
Speaker 5: Laura love I'm okay, I guess I.
Speaker 4: God, So if you do, you want to like.
Speaker 7: Just jam it there we go?
Speaker 4: Would you like to hang hang all right, Marshall, give
Speaker 4: it over, Sarah Marshall. She was our guest at our
Speaker 4: first show tonight.
Speaker 5: Give it up.
Speaker 4: If you're at the first show tonight. Yes, so exciting.
Speaker 5: I got I got Minions. I got Minions walkie talkies
Speaker 5: as a gift after the show, and I was so
Speaker 5: fucking thrilled. He's gonna go to different rooms in my
Speaker 5: house and be like below over, Coopie over. I'm really
Speaker 5: loving the blonde theme here. Yeah, we were gonna bring
Speaker 5: you a wig, but you have the natural Hannah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's incredible. So I guess now that we're all here, yes,
Speaker 5: and now that this brain trust has finally come together,
Speaker 5: we should do what everyone wants us to do, which
Speaker 5: is talk about Hannah Montana under dress. And so, Caitlin,
Speaker 5: what is your history with Hannah Montana, the person, the property,
Speaker 5: the idea of the movie.
Speaker 2: Well, you'll never believe this, but I had never seen
Speaker 2: any of it until maybe three or four days ago.
Speaker 2: I knew about Thank You so much. I knew about
Speaker 2: Hannah Montana. I knew that that's how Miley Cyrus got
Speaker 2: her start, but I didn't watch any of it the end.
Speaker 5: But now you I have watched it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: And then we've watched several episodes of the show Today
Speaker 2: again under Duress, most notably Larry David makes a cameo
Speaker 2: as himself in the show I was really taken aback
Speaker 2: by that.
Speaker 4: A season two gem.
Speaker 5: He shows up in a Curb Your Enthusiasm style thing,
Speaker 5: he can't get into a restaurant. He's got a baby,
Speaker 5: Cassie David him who knows why this is happening. But
Speaker 5: we're thrilled and we're cheering and sometimes we're crying. It's
Speaker 5: an exciting moment. So yeah, that's that's my history. What
Speaker 5: about you, Jamie.
Speaker 4: I love Hannah Montana.
Speaker 5: I actually I think I was objectively too old for
Speaker 5: Hannah Montana when it came out, and I was, I mean,
Speaker 5: with all that like Disney Channel stuff of that era.
Speaker 4: I was very I was very like bright eyes thirteen
Speaker 4: year olds. I was like Hannah who And then secretly
Speaker 4: I was feral.
Speaker 5: For Hannah Montana. But I had an amazing friend in
Speaker 5: junior high, in high school and still now. Her name's Lois,
Speaker 5: and she, like, I think she was like a really
Speaker 5: important friend to have where when we were not supposed
Speaker 5: to like things anymore, Lois was just like, no, I
Speaker 5: like the Jonas brothers, and we're going to their concert today, asshole, right,
Speaker 5: And then we would go and then so I think
Speaker 5: I got like this kind of cool like backdoor experience
Speaker 5: to that era of pop stars with weird hair, and
Speaker 5: I loved it.
Speaker 4: I had so much fun.
Speaker 5: I went to a Hannah Montana concert in junior high
Speaker 5: and oh you did not, I yeah, yeah I did,
Speaker 5: and she performed It is great. There's like a certain
Speaker 5: point in the show where she'll like reveal herself to
Speaker 5: be who we already know where to be, but we're
Speaker 5: all just playing along for no reason. And then the
Speaker 5: Jonas brothers come out and they have a trampoline and
Speaker 5: You're like, this is all great. This, I'm loving this.
Speaker 5: So I like watched the first season of the show
Speaker 5: and then I really and truly was too old to
Speaker 5: do it, and then I came back for the movie.
Speaker 4: Sure. Yeah. Part of me is like, should I use
Speaker 4: one of these knives to cut this tag off? No?
Speaker 7: No, it's very safe.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not touching that one.
Speaker 5: But I think that we came up with the idea
Speaker 5: for this episode like five years ago when we were
Speaker 5: recording and you didn't know who Ariana Grande was. He
Speaker 5: most certainly did not. Yes, yeah, so that I think
Speaker 5: is where this came from. But now, Robert, what's your
Speaker 5: experience with Hannah Montana. I know it's been a journey.
Speaker 7: Well, I up until about five days ago, I was
Speaker 7: pretty sure she was Taylor's way, and I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 7: the fact that Taylor Swift is in the movie did
Speaker 7: not entirely disabuse me of that notion I could. I
Speaker 7: missed Hannah. So, like, I graduated high school, I think
Speaker 7: a few years before you did, and a few years
Speaker 7: before Hannah Montana really became a thing, I think, And
Speaker 7: so it was just kind of one of those when
Speaker 7: I dropped out of pop culture briefly to do a
Speaker 7: lot of drugs, and then I came back and she
Speaker 7: was very, very famous, and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 7: is something I missed.
Speaker 5: And to think you could have been watching Hannah Montana
Speaker 5: on drugs all those years.
Speaker 7: I can't say for certain that I didn't, but it
Speaker 7: does seem unlikely.
Speaker 4: But now you've seen the movie, and what's your general impression.
Speaker 7: I think it was probably the best Hannah Montana movie
Speaker 7: that you were likely to.
Speaker 4: Get very very judicious of you with, with.
Speaker 7: One exception, but we'll get to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see this is Sophie was to your history
Speaker 4: with Anna Montana.
Speaker 10: I definitely watched it when I was a kid, definitely
Speaker 10: thought too many times out bangs.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm just waiting. No, I'm listening.
Speaker 10: I'm just gonna make really good eye contact while I
Speaker 10: tell this. Really thought about bangs.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know, all the little guest star pieces are great.
Speaker 10: I like that Elvis aka Austin Butler does not sound
Speaker 10: Oh not the first time this has happened between us.
Speaker 7: They're really good corn dogs by the way, whoever got them?
Speaker 10: Yeah, And then you know, followed Miley through her what
Speaker 10: did we say? Her I'm no longer a Disney baby
Speaker 10: song was Oh can't be tamed.
Speaker 5: But she's like in a cage also as a bird,
Speaker 5: she's I mean, and she's like, we're gonna talk about
Speaker 5: this in pickups later on. But like she's also done
Speaker 5: some serious cultural appropriation over the years, Like she's her
Speaker 5: crime are many.
Speaker 10: She should definitely apologize to Michael Jordan for that one song.
Speaker 10: Thank you to the one person who got that reference.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 10: And then just all the times you've forced me to
Speaker 10: watch today for three hours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, there was a bit of a hostage crisis
Speaker 5: today when I made people watch Hannah Montana for three
Speaker 5: hours and every time they were not responding. While I'd
Speaker 5: be like, you just don't understand.
Speaker 4: We're getting very defensive. Yes I was.
Speaker 5: I was kind of I felt myself doing what my
Speaker 5: therapist tells me not to do.
Speaker 4: We just get defensive everythings that aren't important.
Speaker 5: But I was like, no, you just need to see
Speaker 5: how in the show, like in the movie, Hannah Montana
Speaker 5: reveals her identity in one way. In the show, Jay
Speaker 5: Leno finds out about her identity and it's a catastrophe,
Speaker 5: it's a whole thing. But we're here to talk about
Speaker 5: the Hannah Montana movie.
Speaker 4: That's right, So should we should we recap it? We
Speaker 4: certainly should. It's Caitlin's famous recap.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 4: My gosh, it's like it's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm almost done with my glass of wine.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need another one soon.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: It's it's scary up here, okay.
Speaker 4: So yeah, people love her.
Speaker 2: So I just want to provide a little bit of
Speaker 2: context before I do the recap for the movie. But Jamie,
Speaker 2: I think I need your help. So I think what
Speaker 2: you need to already know about Hannah Montana as a
Speaker 2: character as an intellectual property, is that Miley Miley Stewart.
Speaker 5: Yes, Miley Stewart, Robbie Ray Stewart unacceptable.
Speaker 2: She is just a regular girl, but her alter ego,
Speaker 2: Hannah Montana, is super famous, and no one knows Hannah's
Speaker 2: true identity. No one knows that Miley.
Speaker 5: Is kept for her trusted circle exactly Dolly Parton knows.
Speaker 2: Dolly Parton knows. In the movie, we realized that her grandmother,
Speaker 2: Margot Martindale knows.
Speaker 5: Martindale is well aware, and she knows the hoe down
Speaker 5: throw down, we find knows it by heart.
Speaker 4: She knows a lot of things that Martin heart. Okay,
Speaker 4: So all she does is put on a blonde wig
Speaker 4: right to become Oh and all we do is talk
Speaker 4: into a microant. No, that's that is what we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the reason she does this, she like is
Speaker 2: leaving the living the secret life. Is she wants to
Speaker 2: have a normal teen life as.
Speaker 4: Someone constantly suffering an identity crisis.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that's what you need to know going in.
Speaker 2: So the movie opens with Miley Stewart, that of course,
Speaker 2: is Miley Cyrus. She's struggling to get into.
Speaker 4: Her own hand.
Speaker 2: The Montana Concert in Los Angeles, Ever, heard of it.
Speaker 4: But that's not gonna work here. People aren't there.
Speaker 2: Shout out to anyone from LA who's watching the live stream.
Speaker 4: Wooms still not playing.
Speaker 5: It's not playing there. Somebody in bed watching this is like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're talking about me.
Speaker 5: I think that that's where our shows are best seen
Speaker 5: from someone who's like watching on their phone, like facing
Speaker 5: their head, also eating a corn dog. Yeah, it looks
Speaker 5: just like this.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Miley and her best friend Lily played by Emily Osmond.
Speaker 2: They finally get into the show and Miley performs as
Speaker 2: her alter ego Hannah Montana. Her dad Robbie Ray played
Speaker 2: by Billy ray Cyrus. Are you okay?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: Anything to say? I'm so angry you should be excited,
Speaker 5: he asked.
Speaker 4: Kind of the same name as you, Robbie Rays.
Speaker 7: I come here to you, Jane on a Thursday night
Speaker 7: when I could be doing ketamine, and this is how
Speaker 7: you repay me.
Speaker 4: Robbie Ray evans everybody, Wow, one of the great beautiful.
Speaker 4: So he's Hannah Montana's manager, Is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? His whole thing is he puts on a fake
Speaker 5: mustache in the show.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm Hannah Montana's manager.
Speaker 5: Then he puts on a like Jacques Clouseau mustache he
Speaker 5: has and everyone's like, yeah.
Speaker 7: He has a soul patch that has to register with
Speaker 7: everyone in his neighborhood to let them know that he
Speaker 7: can't be within five hundred feet of a school like that.
Speaker 5: I have a question the soul patch is.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's more canonical to the character
Speaker 4: or the man. I don't know. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Vanessa Williams is also there playing a character named Vita,
Speaker 2: which is Hannah Montana's publicist. Yes, right, And then there's
Speaker 2: also this guy named Oswald, which is this like sleazy
Speaker 2: tabloid guy who's trying to get this juicy expose style
Speaker 2: scoop on Hannah Montana.
Speaker 5: That's one of the things I like about the movie
Speaker 5: is for some reason it has like a very correctly
Speaker 5: low opinion of the British tabloids specifically, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I guess that that tracks. I wonder like why they're
Speaker 5: being singled out. I mean, they're horrible, but who knows
Speaker 5: they've got it in for our Hannah.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed. So everything is going great in Hannah Montana
Speaker 2: and Miley's life until Miley lets a few Hannah related
Speaker 2: things get in the way, such as a shoe related
Speaker 2: brawl with Tyra Banks.
Speaker 10: Okay, how much do you think would they paid Tyro
Speaker 10: to be in that movie?
Speaker 5: Also had to learn the hoe down throwdown for the record.
Speaker 5: She does it, and she does it in the credits
Speaker 5: for like ten seconds and then bales, which I respect
Speaker 5: because this is what this is what.
Speaker 10: Two thousand and nine nine, So there's that's like peak
Speaker 10: America what it would that?
Speaker 5: That's peaky TV dime. Yeah. Oh, I mean Tyra's a
Speaker 5: huge cameo no matter when all nine. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's she throws Miley Cyrus over a couch. Oh well
Speaker 5: she must have done it for free. Yeah. They get
Speaker 5: into a pretty intense uh you know, and a lot
Speaker 5: of exchanges in that fight.
Speaker 4: Do pass the Bechdel test? That's true? Yeah, and we
Speaker 4: applaud that it is a flawed.
Speaker 2: So, uh, they're fighting over shoes because women be shopping
Speaker 2: for shoes. Yes, And also Miley screws up her best
Speaker 2: friend Lily's birthday party because she shows up as Hannah
Speaker 2: Montana and so all of the sun is taken away
Speaker 2: from Lily. So Miley's dad, Robbie Ray is like, you
Speaker 2: need to simmer down and heady.
Speaker 4: You're acting better than Billy.
Speaker 5: I've never heard a person more actively reading the whole time.
Speaker 7: He's honestly impressive, because I wouldn't have guessed that he could,
Speaker 7: just knowing what I know about Billy Ray.
Speaker 2: So he takes her to her hometown of Crowley Corners, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: to get away from it all and to visit her grandmother,
Speaker 2: Margot Martindale for her birthday character actor Margot Martindale for
Speaker 2: her birthday, because Miley needs to learn to appreciate what matters,
Speaker 2: because her Hannah persona is just becoming too much.
Speaker 5: This is something that always I mean, Robbie Rays Stewart,
Speaker 5: the famous character, He's always like mad at his daughter
Speaker 5: for having a dual identity, as if he weren't into
Speaker 5: girl and creating it in the first place. He's like,
Speaker 5: you're losing touch with yourself. You fourteen, You're almost fucking loser.
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, you had to have signed off
Speaker 5: on this at some point, and I'm pretty sure she
Speaker 5: bought your house, right.
Speaker 4: Why can't you handle this duality that I'm forcing you
Speaker 4: into as a.
Speaker 5: Child with your undeveloped brain.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, So Miley goes back to her hometown in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Her grandmother tells Miley about how developers are trying to
Speaker 2: swoop into town to build a huge mall, like do
Speaker 2: all this like urban sprawl stuff. So the time, I
Speaker 2: was gonna, Okay, thank you for saying that, because I
Speaker 2: noticed that both of the shows that we did Live
Speaker 2: Tonight in Portland, The Goonies and Hanna Montana the movie,
Speaker 2: have basically the same premise, which is young person needs
Speaker 2: to do something drastic to save their town that's in
Speaker 2: danger of being ruined by rich people.
Speaker 5: And I and it would be cool if either Data
Speaker 5: from the Goonies became a pop star or Miley Cyrus
Speaker 5: had to go onto a pirate ship in hell, either
Speaker 5: of these movies I would be perfectly happy with.
Speaker 2: Yes. So, the town of Crowley Corners is raising funds
Speaker 2: so that they can pay the taxes on the land
Speaker 2: to keep the developers out. Meanwhile, a couple romances are
Speaker 2: brewing and they all fucking suck. One is between Robbie
Speaker 2: Ray and a local woman, Laura Lai.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jan Levinson golds so weird.
Speaker 4: I don't approve I know, it's like it does bothered me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I love her, but also it's just like,
Speaker 5: now we're sticking Laura Harding with Robbie Ray.
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem fair. And Robbie Ray is not nice
Speaker 4: to He's always like, I'm busy being a parent, and.
Speaker 5: She's like, oh my god, I just said hello, why
Speaker 5: why did he even get a love interest? Like, bro,
Speaker 5: it's not about you. It's so fucking weird.
Speaker 7: If you think that's weird, what do you hear about
Speaker 7: his real current love interest?
Speaker 5: Oh wow, I know.
Speaker 4: Roberts made a separate presentation.
Speaker 5: Roberts, Oh yeah, all do your show. I got five
Speaker 5: pages of Billy Red. At some point, if it came
Speaker 5: very clear that this was going to be a behind
Speaker 5: the Bastard's about Billy Ray's sire. But I will not
Speaker 5: accept it.
Speaker 4: He printed out notes on the laser jet. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just a lot.
Speaker 5: That's so menacing, Robert, so menacing. WHOA, I just got
Speaker 5: my blood pressure just rose and can't wait? What is
Speaker 5: handwritten on there?
Speaker 4: Can I read it?
Speaker 7: Please?
Speaker 9: Do?
Speaker 4: It says she is the fruit of a poisoned seed.
Speaker 7: Now that was about a horse and a half worth
Speaker 7: of ketamine into my night of research. Do you want
Speaker 7: to know what else is on the back there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an address.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's Billy Ray's home address.
Speaker 4: What's wrong?
Speaker 7: It was a long night.
Speaker 5: The group text really was becoming concerning at some point,
Speaker 5: so Robbie raised Dandy Chan Levinson Gules and it fucking sucks.
Speaker 4: Yes, it sucks.
Speaker 2: What also sucks is Miley and the boy that she
Speaker 2: used to know from school, Travis.
Speaker 5: They can we just get a big boo for Travis?
Speaker 4: We Travis? Oh my god?
Speaker 10: Why did he get to go to the movie m
Speaker 10: He seemed like TV series specific. Why did he get
Speaker 10: to bump up to the movie?
Speaker 3: He?
Speaker 5: I know, I don't even think he was on the show.
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure most of the movie is like not
Speaker 5: even canonical to the show. Shouldn't have been Jake Ryan Jake. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there is a guy named jj which got woo's Travis
Speaker 5: got booze.
Speaker 4: Up said there is I mean there Miley like Miley Stewart.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry. Miley Stewart had so.
Speaker 5: Many boyfriends in that show and they were all like
Speaker 5: played by a different guy named Cody with the same haircut.
Speaker 5: And then he's always like Miley, I have a big
Speaker 5: crush on you, and she's like, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: let's watch this for five days.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So Miley and Travis start building a chicken coop together
Speaker 2: and that's kind of the basis of their relationship. The
Speaker 2: point is she's getting back to her country roots.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: She then goes to a fundraiser slash open mic night,
Speaker 2: you know those things, and Miley performs the Hoedown Throwdown.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, we gotta pop for the Holdown Throwdown. It
Speaker 5: is a classic, generationally shifting musical sequence. You don't have
Speaker 5: to like it, but it's history. You do have to
Speaker 5: do it everyone, Yeah, two.
Speaker 4: Three something something somethings some things. Oh, I wrote down
Speaker 4: all the lyrics. Uh it is pop It, lock It.
Speaker 2: Poka, Dotic country fall, yeah something, put your hawk in
Speaker 2: the sky.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm wait, I'm sorry. I smells it better than me.
Speaker 4: Someone had it.
Speaker 5: Wait, would you mind just do it on?
Speaker 4: Do you know it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, let's see.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Sorry to be so scary. Sorry, I
Speaker 5: just ate the scariest corn dog of my life.
Speaker 4: Sorry, okay, let's let's okay.
Speaker 9: So it starts with what hop it, lock It polka, dotic, country,
Speaker 9: fight it, hip hop, somebody side side sad, jumped to
Speaker 9: the left, stick it glad, zig zag across the.
Speaker 4: Floor, shuffle and diagonal.
Speaker 5: Okay, so like a kind of a historic thing that
Speaker 5: happened there.
Speaker 4: Thank you?
Speaker 5: So wait, what was your name?
Speaker 4: Give it up for zav everybody that was well, that
Speaker 4: was very special.
Speaker 5: I loved it. Oh it means and I agree with that.
Speaker 4: That is about how young.
Speaker 2: That feels like a song. To misquote Harry Styles. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: so uh, Miley aspires everyone in town to perform the
Speaker 2: Hodeln throw Down, but mister Capitalism shows up and he's like,
Speaker 2: you'll never raise enough money to stop me from putting
Speaker 2: out my shopping mall. And then Travis Boo suggests that
Speaker 2: Miley invite Hannah Montana to town to put on a
Speaker 2: huge benefit concert because Miley had previously mentioned that she
Speaker 2: knew Hannah, And you're like, Travis, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2: That's every time Travis speaks my fist clench.
Speaker 4: He thinks he's so fucking.
Speaker 7: Smart, he's gonna make a killing in the egg business.
Speaker 11: Then with the.
Speaker 4: Ugliest chicken coop I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: Sorry, his whole art he's like, I'm building a chicken
Speaker 5: coop and then at the end, Miley Cyrus makes it
Speaker 5: uglier than it's ever been and he's like, I better
Speaker 5: date her. It's like uh, and then Travis, for the record,
Speaker 5: never heard from again. She has a totally different boyfriend
Speaker 5: on the show. She's dating a guitarist named Jesse, who
Speaker 5: keeps forgetting like his whole Jesse's whole thing I made
Speaker 5: Caitlyn and Sophie watched the episodes today.
Speaker 4: Jesse his his brain cells, they're not so good.
Speaker 5: And so her whole thing is like, just don't kiss
Speaker 5: me when I'm Hannah Montana and he's like, okay, got it.
Speaker 5: That night on jay Leno, he kisses her as Hannah
Speaker 5: Montana and jay Leno gets the scoop. It's thrilling. Why
Speaker 5: is jay Leno on the show? Why is you didn't
Speaker 5: want Travis on the show?
Speaker 4: No, I mean we didn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't asking. I didn't want more Travis, but he's
Speaker 5: just a pretty diabolical character. We didn't really want Jesse either, No,
Speaker 5: we didn't really want the show.
Speaker 4: I liked the show.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so Travis is like, invite Hannah Montana to town.
Speaker 2: So now Miley has to pretend to bring Hannah to town.
Speaker 2: Her friend Lily shows up to help. Hannah is then
Speaker 2: invited to a dinner with the mayor, but oh no,
Speaker 2: it's at the same time as the date that she
Speaker 2: has with Travis. Okay, hijik's alert missus doubtfire scene alert,
Speaker 2: and so Miley has to like go back and forth
Speaker 2: between the two events, putting on her Hannah Wig, taking
Speaker 2: off her Hannah Wig. It's it's a really good storytelling.
Speaker 5: And then Robert, you had, you had.
Speaker 7: A pretty Travis is waiting for his date, and he
Speaker 7: keeps getting angrier and angrier as someone who was once
Speaker 7: a seventeen year old boy. If I had been on
Speaker 7: a date with a girl and she had not shown
Speaker 7: up and then come back and apologize, the last thing
Speaker 7: I would have done is get angry.
Speaker 4: But he's furious. He's quick to anger every single time,
Speaker 4: and you're like, we gotta get.
Speaker 7: He puts his fist through some dry wall. After that,
Speaker 7: we just don't see that scene.
Speaker 5: That's why it's taking so long to build his damn
Speaker 5: chicken coob, punching holes in it.
Speaker 2: And then he figures out that Miley is Montana, and
Speaker 2: he's really upset because she lied to him, and is it?
Speaker 4: What did I say?
Speaker 5: I love, here's the thing. You weren't wrong, but you
Speaker 5: definitely were right.
Speaker 4: It's okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So Miley is upset that Travis dumped her for reasons
Speaker 2: that we know about, and she and her dad have
Speaker 2: a heart to heart. They sing a song together. I
Speaker 2: guess it's moving, and then it's time for the big concert.
Speaker 4: I love when it's time for the big concert.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, is the third act happening. She starts performing,
Speaker 2: but then she stops and she's like, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: I can't lie to you. This is my hometown. You're
Speaker 2: you know, you're my people, and I'm Miley Cyrus is Stuart,
Speaker 2: not Hannah Montana. So she takes off her wig and
Speaker 2: then she performs a song as Miley, and it seems
Speaker 2: like she's gonna quit being Hannah Montana.
Speaker 5: Which this is a while because it seems like she
Speaker 5: i whatever she wants. It seems like she wants to
Speaker 5: quit being Hannah Montana at this point, which is like A,
Speaker 5: I mean whatever, there's plenty of reasons, right, and I'm
Speaker 5: overthinking this. There's like I can see how wanting to
Speaker 5: be rid of your alter egod, that's good, But it
Speaker 5: seems like she's like, so I can date Travis, and
Speaker 5: you're like, oh, like, throwing away your career for Travis
Speaker 5: wouldn't be me.
Speaker 7: I mean, but the way egg prices have gone lately,
Speaker 7: that might still work out for it.
Speaker 4: I was really that that was not your egg joke.
Speaker 7: I do have a lot of problems with the way
Speaker 7: eggs are depicted.
Speaker 4: Okay, well then yeah, please please, that's what our show is.
Speaker 7: You see a chicken coop that has easily thirty to
Speaker 7: forty chickens. Okay, yeah, Now we see Miley put maybe
Speaker 7: four or five eggs in her pockets right before she
Speaker 7: falls and breaks them, and then she only finds one more. Now,
Speaker 7: based on what the outside looks like and based on
Speaker 7: the way people are dressed, it's clearly shot sometime in
Speaker 7: spring or early summer, given the weather in Tennessee, that
Speaker 7: is prime egg making hours. With that many chickens, they're
Speaker 7: putting out sixty to eighty eggs a day. I guarantee
Speaker 7: you each where are the other eggs? Miley?
Speaker 5: This sounds like the worst social media campaign of all time.
Speaker 5: Hashtag where are the other eggs?
Speaker 2: Here's my question. When collecting eggs, is it standard to
Speaker 2: put them in your pocket?
Speaker 7: No, that's a terrible place for me egg Either way,
Speaker 7: there's something suspicious about the egg count that we see
Speaker 7: in this film.
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree that there's.
Speaker 7: So upset I'm livid.
Speaker 4: Yes, and we cannot what.
Speaker 5: Something we can all agree on is that she is
Speaker 5: the fruit of a poisoned seed. I don't believe you
Speaker 5: that not sober. I think that was sober thoughts. No,
Speaker 5: but look, wow two four zero, No, No, it's okay.
Speaker 7: I didn't put the zip code on, so there's no
Speaker 7: way they find it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Caylen has the movie end.
Speaker 2: I'd be happy to say, Okay, it's time for the
Speaker 2: big concert. We're in act three. She starts to perform.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, She's like, I can't do this. She takes
Speaker 2: off her wig. She might quit being Hannah Montana. But
Speaker 2: then everyone's like, you could still be Hannah Montana and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: They do the thing that they do Toby Maguire and
Speaker 5: Spider Man two where he reveals his identity and they're like,
Speaker 5: we'll keep it to ourselves. Oh yeah, but in a
Speaker 5: way it like forces her to be Hannah Montana forever
Speaker 5: because she's like, I'm ready to be myself and they're like, no,
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 4: Just kind of like a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Right, But that sleazy tabloid guy from the beginning is
Speaker 2: about to blow her cover, but then he's like, oh wait,
Speaker 2: my daughter's told me not to, so then he doesn't,
Speaker 2: and then Miley and Travis kiss and the movie oh yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't like that, and then the movie ends with
Speaker 2: her performing another song as Hannah. So I guess, no
Speaker 2: lessons we're learning. What's the takeaway?
Speaker 5: The takeaway is something, yeah, be yourself to a point,
Speaker 5: which I think is the message of a lot of
Speaker 5: two thousands children's media.
Speaker 4: Be yourself.
Speaker 10: But the message is if you have a good wig,
Speaker 10: you can do almost anything. I know, what if you
Speaker 10: have Hannah Montana's wig.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I have a practical Hannah Montana related
Speaker 7: question from the very beginning of the movie. Yes, the
Speaker 7: song we see here play at that stadium in Los
Speaker 7: Angeles is called best of Both Worlds.
Speaker 5: That's the theme song to the telegay because it's obviously
Speaker 5: so you're back right now, because people are actually.
Speaker 7: It's nothing against the song, but it's clearly a song
Speaker 7: about being Hannah Montana and having a thin red alter ego.
Speaker 7: How is that a mystery thing?
Speaker 5: It's an open secret. There's something I loved about a chance.
Speaker 5: So that's like the theme song to the TV show.
Speaker 5: They make one small change between the TV show and
Speaker 5: the movie version of that song. In the TV show,
Speaker 5: there's like a line that goes like, you go to
Speaker 5: movie premiers and then she says, is that Orlando Bloom?
Speaker 4: And oh that happens in two thousand and six.
Speaker 5: By two thousand and nine, that line is removed because
Speaker 5: Orlando Bloom is no longer a famous person and you
Speaker 5: would no longer be excited to see him at a
Speaker 5: movie premiere.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: True, that song is a classic. I mean, yeah, she is.
Speaker 5: She is, but you would be surprised at how flagrantly
Speaker 5: she is very obviously not Hannah Montana.
Speaker 4: In the show, it's almost every episode.
Speaker 5: Do you have any other like basic questions about Hannah
Speaker 5: Montana that we can we can help you out with?
Speaker 7: Not no, not that that was about it.
Speaker 4: That was a more meaning than I intended to be.
Speaker 7: I mean, it is kind of it. It is kind
Speaker 7: of shitty of her to like when she shows up
Speaker 7: at her friend's party immediately get up on stage and
Speaker 7: play a concert if she knows her friend is pissed
Speaker 7: at her.
Speaker 4: M hmm, no one knew that concert.
Speaker 5: That's true. Yeah, that is true, because there's like moments
Speaker 5: where with like people in her life seemed constantly frustrated
Speaker 5: that she has this alter ego when it's so inherent
Speaker 5: to who she is.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, then don't hang out with her if
Speaker 4: you don't like that, But no one was forcing her.
Speaker 4: She literally is like shrugging at Lily.
Speaker 5: She's like, I'm sorry I had to put on a
Speaker 5: concert no one asked for with my new.
Speaker 10: And song to be fair in the pilot that you
Speaker 10: made me watch at knife Point today, Yeah, and I
Speaker 10: was like, can.
Speaker 5: I tell everyone?
Speaker 10: I'm gonna tell them your Hannah And then she was like,
Speaker 10: don't do that, and she was like why so confusing
Speaker 10: mixed signals.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Also, I feel like taking the private jet out there
Speaker 7: was a significant fraction, yes, of the money that the
Speaker 7: town needed to raise in order to buy the land
Speaker 7: from that cellphone.
Speaker 5: Look and then take.
Speaker 7: The third of the door take home from that concert.
Speaker 5: She just did and you know that that's also how
Speaker 5: Taylor Swift got there. Taylor Swift. Okay, Taylor Swift is
Speaker 5: in the movies as is. We did have any we
Speaker 5: have managed to not mention that Rascal Flats is at
Speaker 5: Margot Martindale's out.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know. Oh, I would know those gates anywhere,
Speaker 4: baby would.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: It's like you've never seen cars.
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: I can't the lack of media literacy on this stage
Speaker 5: right now, it's shocking. Rascal Flats is at the house
Speaker 5: with Robbie Ray and Margot Martindale and they're singing some
Speaker 5: piece of shit song because that's what they do. I
Speaker 5: liked it. I liked it. Yeah, yeah, I said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: I met piece of shit like uh not Pejorida.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, Taylor Swift is at the open Mic night thing,
Speaker 2: right Yeah, that's the end of it.
Speaker 4: And they play but I love it.
Speaker 5: So during the Taylor Swift song, they're they're cutting around
Speaker 5: to like a bunch of different conflicts, but most of this,
Speaker 5: like sweet Taylor.
Speaker 4: Swift song about teenagers and love.
Speaker 5: Takes place while Robbie Ray Stewart is talking to Jan
Speaker 5: Levinson Gould about how he's a bad.
Speaker 4: Boyfriend, which I thought was a good use of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 5: I thought it worked.
Speaker 4: Robert, I am very what's going on? What's going on
Speaker 4: in Want? I know I can see you shaking, ready
Speaker 4: to read the next? Yeah? Okay, so so is this
Speaker 4: a behind the Bastard's episode?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 7: I mean, I just have a little bit to say
Speaker 7: about Billy Ray Cyris.
Speaker 5: I have to say.
Speaker 4: The font is not very big.
Speaker 7: Most of these are most of these are just notes,
Speaker 7: but a right, well yeah, no, no, please please let me
Speaker 7: make sure people can see the address.
Speaker 5: So we're talking about Billy Ray Cyrus, not Robbie Ray Stewart.
Speaker 5: Is that correct?
Speaker 7: Yes? Okay, yeah, because no one has ever been named
Speaker 7: Robbie Raised, it's not that much.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 7: Billy Ray was born August twenty fifth, nineteen sixty one. Now,
Speaker 7: he was born in Flatwoods, Kentucky to Ron Cyrus, a
Speaker 7: steel worker who became a politician, Which is the first
Speaker 7: time that his actual background conflicts with the movie, because
Speaker 7: the movie clearly shows him growing up as a down
Speaker 7: home farm boy and his dad was like a union
Speaker 7: man who became a political leader in the state. So wow, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's suspicious, right, uh huh.
Speaker 4: So already a manufactured like every man.
Speaker 7: And also his grandpa was a Pentecostal preacher, which is
Speaker 7: problematic now he dropped out of Georgetown. He also he
Speaker 7: went to Georgetown. Fun, I know, right right, Georgetown. I know, yeah,
Speaker 7: very down home and country Billy old was.
Speaker 5: He when Achy Breaky Heart came out.
Speaker 7: We're getting to Achy Breaky Heart like.
Speaker 5: This like ties into like Taylor Swift is in this
Speaker 5: like country movie while she's from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's like howdy y'all. Like I was, like,
Speaker 4: all right, punks a tony Phil Chill aust.
Speaker 7: It's a lot of appropriation.
Speaker 5: Going on day everybody where grownhog days.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: So this is a fun fact. He dropped out of
Speaker 7: Georgetown in his junior year because he went to a
Speaker 7: Neil Diamond concert and decided he wanted to become a musician.
Speaker 5: Men can do anything. Wow, so inspiring.
Speaker 7: This brings us to the only notable fact about Billy
Speaker 7: Ray's musical career. The song Achy Breaky Heart. Okay, it
Speaker 7: was written by an amateur songwriter, don Van Trust no, no, no,
Speaker 7: Billy Ray could ever have crafted the intricate lyrics of
Speaker 7: Achy Breaky Heart, and it was originally recorded by a
Speaker 7: band called the Marcie Brothers, but their version changed lyrics
Speaker 7: to be less bad. So when Billy got the song,
Speaker 7: he was like, no, no, no, let's make it. Keep
Speaker 7: it shitty series.
Speaker 5: Not only did he not write it, but he stole
Speaker 5: it from somebody else.
Speaker 7: He stole it shamelessly and reached number twenty three on
Speaker 7: CMT's hundredths Greatest Videos of All Time, number two on
Speaker 7: VH one's Most awesomely Band Song.
Speaker 5: Caitlin needs to tell on themselves really quickly.
Speaker 2: Okay, The main thing I did to prep for this episode,
Speaker 2: aside from watching Hannah Montana the movie, is watch the
Speaker 2: music video to Achy Breaky Heart. It is yes, it
Speaker 2: is not good.
Speaker 7: No, no, of course not currently.
Speaker 2: Him edited concert in like four to three ratio, like
Speaker 2: aspect ratio. It looks like shit. He has the worst haircut. Imagine,
Speaker 2: terrible song and it's a bad song.
Speaker 5: But Kaylen, you were texting me that you thought.
Speaker 8: He was.
Speaker 4: A very lead.
Speaker 5: I was waiting for that.
Speaker 7: It's a unique kind of shitty song because when Weird
Speaker 7: Al Yankovic parodied it, Weird Al famously one of the
Speaker 7: nicest people who's ever lived. The only parody he could
Speaker 7: make was so mean that he donated all of the
Speaker 7: proceeds from the song to charity. He was like, this
Speaker 7: is too cruel. I can't profit off of this, but
Speaker 7: there's no other way to make an achy breaky heart parody.
Speaker 5: God, Okay, you're like one, Yeah, skip ahead, a little
Speaker 5: sit No, we're done.
Speaker 7: We're done. We're mostly done. So there's a couple of
Speaker 7: things I want to note. In April of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 7: he changed his name to Cyrus or the artist formerly
Speaker 7: known as Billy Ray, and Wikipedia says fans did not
Speaker 7: like this, but on Live with Kelly and Ryan, Cyrus said,
Speaker 7: I'm here to set the record straight. He assured his
Speaker 7: fans his name would still be Billy Ray. So that's good.
Speaker 7: Now we get to the sketchy part because Billy Ray.
Speaker 7: Cyrus also sits on the advisory board of the Parents
Speaker 7: Television Council, which is an ultra right wing anti art
Speaker 7: gentleman organization. They lobby against the existence of gangster rap
Speaker 7: as a legal medium of art. Yeah. It's founded by
Speaker 7: a guy named Leo Brent Bozel the Third who is
Speaker 7: the nephew of William F. Buckley.
Speaker 4: How long has he been on that council.
Speaker 7: For quite a while? I don't have an exact year
Speaker 7: here because I was pretty high when I wrote this. Also,
Speaker 7: Cyrus's song We the People was used as the campaign
Speaker 7: song for George W. Bush during his two thousand presidential run.
Speaker 7: Cyrus was reported as saying that he was a lifelong Democrat.
Speaker 7: I don't know how much I believe that.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a Georgetown University Democrat. That didn't mean anything.
Speaker 7: So the last thing I should note is that in
Speaker 7: the movie, her mom is dead, right, that's like clearly
Speaker 7: implied and.
Speaker 4: Not just dead.
Speaker 5: Brooke Shields then dead.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah yeah, and he is her manager.
Speaker 5: What do you mean by that? Exactly what I said?
Speaker 5: Canonically in the show and the movie, her mom is
Speaker 5: always dead, but sometimes her ghost comes back and it's
Speaker 5: Brooks Shields, and Brooke Shields is like, Miley, I'm so
Speaker 5: proud of you and like and then you're like, what
Speaker 5: the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2: It's not like flashbacks. She comes back as a ghost.
Speaker 5: She's not like, but she's like she does yeah, she
Speaker 5: comes to like advise Miley. The two main female advisors
Speaker 5: in Miley's life and I view this as a positive
Speaker 5: are Brooke Shields and Dolly Parton, and that Dolly Parton
Speaker 5: guessed it on the show many times because she's Miley
Speaker 5: Cyrus's actual godmother. Oh and today we watched the episode
Speaker 5: where Dolly Parton robs the A V Club or something.
Speaker 4: It was pretty exciting. It was good anyways.
Speaker 7: Yes, so it's fun that her mom is dead in
Speaker 7: the show and Billy Ray is her manager because in
Speaker 7: real life, her mother, Tish was her manager. Yes, and
Speaker 7: Tish and Billy Ray got divorced in the year two thousand.
Speaker 7: Oh sorry, in April twenty twenty two after a couple
Speaker 7: of different divorce attempts, and in September of that year,
Speaker 7: Billy Ray shared a photo of himself with a woman
Speaker 7: named fire Hose on Instagram. That is her legal name. Okay,
Speaker 7: the two met over a decade prior on the set
Speaker 7: of Hannah Montana. Oh no, yeah she is. I mean
Speaker 7: she's thirty four now now okay, So yeah, there's one
Speaker 7: one last thing I'll read.
Speaker 5: It's not against the law about how they mess I
Speaker 5: made him. I met. I was like, how old where
Speaker 5: they met?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah? On the set of his daughter.
Speaker 5: Show a little Yeah.
Speaker 7: And in one of the stories he gives about how
Speaker 7: they met, he notes or it's noted, fire Hose came.
Speaker 7: He's like walking his he's walking his dog. When she
Speaker 7: comes out of the Hannah Montana set on that given day,
Speaker 7: Firehouse came out the front door, there was almost a
Speaker 7: moment of I don't know, recognition. I was like, this
Speaker 7: girl is a star.
Speaker 5: Back then.
Speaker 7: No, that's what he said, now.
Speaker 5: That he thought back then, that's what he said.
Speaker 7: He thought back then.
Speaker 10: On his daughter's tea, on his daughter's TV's.
Speaker 5: Getting paid to do off her likeness. I wish fire
Speaker 5: is the best. I think we should all keep fire
Speaker 5: Hose in our thoughts prayers. Yeah, thoughts and prayers for
Speaker 5: fire Hose is my is my takeaway. Okay, so that
Speaker 5: is that? Is that all of Billy Ray's crimes. Do
Speaker 5: we miss anything?
Speaker 7: That's that's most of it? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, Kaitlyn, was there anything else that stuck out
Speaker 5: to you about this movie besides the fact this fucking.
Speaker 4: Awesome, so awesome.
Speaker 2: The scene where Travis is like, he comes in, she's
Speaker 2: like in a barn or a chicken coop. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: and she's singing a song and he's like that song,
Speaker 2: fucking socks, why are you? Oh you're still.
Speaker 4: Doing that singing thing?
Speaker 2: And yeah, so it's generic and your song isn't even
Speaker 2: about anything. First of all, he only heard like two
Speaker 2: lines of it. Secondly, she did none of her songs
Speaker 2: were about anything, so what's the problem?
Speaker 12: And one of our songs is clearly one of her
Speaker 12: songs is famously about if she were a movie, that's
Speaker 12: one of her most favorite If we were a movie,
Speaker 12: you'd be the right guy, I be the best friend
Speaker 12: that you fall in love with in the end.
Speaker 5: How is that not about something? Cake lamb okay and
Speaker 5: then all sorry? Her song that goes pop it, lock it,
Speaker 5: Poka dot it. Can't you care about the power of
Speaker 5: dan in this guy?
Speaker 2: Some things I decide jump to the left, stick it, glad,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 5: I'd like to see you doing them.
Speaker 4: I'm getting defensive a man of I can't. It's fine.
Speaker 2: So my point is, uh, Travis sucks. We already knew that.
Speaker 2: But in particular in that scene where he's like your
Speaker 2: art is bad, and it's like, what have you ever
Speaker 2: done besides making ugly chicken?
Speaker 4: Coop Travis.
Speaker 5: Wow, I mean wow, yeah, I yeah. And then it's
Speaker 5: like all the scenes between Robbie, Ray, Stuart and Miley
Speaker 5: are always weird because he always is. He always is
Speaker 5: like walking after her the whole series, and the movie
Speaker 5: is like, what are you so upset about? And it's like,
Speaker 5: same thing as usual, the split identity you forced me
Speaker 5: into so you could have this shitty sitcom house next
Speaker 5: to the beach. Ultimately, I think that Vita is a
Speaker 5: fun character. I wish she got to do more because
Speaker 5: it's like, you got Vanessa Williams and you're not gonna
Speaker 5: let her do more stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't waste my time. I oh that we could.
Speaker 5: We could just get rid of Travis and have so
Speaker 5: much more fun more Tyra more. I feel like she
Speaker 5: we still have to cover life Size. That was what
Speaker 5: I thought when we That was a huge thought. The
Speaker 5: people people want the life Size episode. Oh, it was
Speaker 5: a perfect I haven't seen it in twenty years. It's
Speaker 5: probably yeah, I'm sure it ate. It's perfect.
Speaker 2: The people have spoken it's perfect. Oh. And then the
Speaker 2: other thing I wanted to say is that in Hannah, Montana,
Speaker 2: women are not the only ones who are prop falling
Speaker 2: because Billy Ray or whatever his name is in the movie,
Speaker 2: he prop falls too.
Speaker 5: Yay, he knocks a bunch of plates.
Speaker 4: So that is like equity.
Speaker 5: That is like very inherent to this like era of
Speaker 5: like Disney sitcom girls specifically, because if I had, you know,
Speaker 5: a dollar for every time we got I mean, we've
Speaker 5: talked about Hillary Duff. She's slipping, sliding all over the place.
Speaker 5: Raven Simone just absolutely flying across the rim at a
Speaker 5: moment's notice, Miley Cyrus just careening out of a can
Speaker 5: and like she's They're just flopping around. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 5: They were our you know, they were the greatest physical
Speaker 5: comedians of our era.
Speaker 4: I like when girl walking and then she fell down.
Speaker 4: I look at her, I say, she like me. That's
Speaker 4: also and Robert, you brought this up.
Speaker 2: As far as they like dead mom hurts, she's like
Speaker 2: the Disney princess are basically, I do want to mention
Speaker 2: as far as the like father daughter relationship goes the
Speaker 2: parallels to Armageddon.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm listening, Hey you ready.
Speaker 2: Single Dade and daughter daughter daughter has a little boyfriend
Speaker 2: and something is headed their way to destroy their town.
Speaker 5: An asteroid and or American capitalism.
Speaker 2: Equally bad things, and the characters need to stop it.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 5: And they do the I mean they do the classic
Speaker 5: they save the town from the thing sort of kind
Speaker 5: of and you kind of forget what the threat was
Speaker 5: in the first place, and then there's a really loud
Speaker 5: song and then you pass out. That's the movie that
Speaker 5: feels like a movie the.
Speaker 4: Big time.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know this until you mentioned it, Robert,
Speaker 2: that it was Mildly Cyrus's mother who was herd throughout.
Speaker 4: Her entire career.
Speaker 5: And then the movie is like or the Yeah, the
Speaker 5: show in the movie is like, no, it's it was
Speaker 5: Billy Rays or Daddy.
Speaker 7: So that's uh stolen valor the.
Speaker 2: It's the erasure of women's labor, erasure, And that's all
Speaker 2: I have to say.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I feel so here's what we know. Yes,
Speaker 5: this movie is good. Yeah, I think that that's the
Speaker 5: conclusion we've come to. However, I feel like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: like Caitlin, Sophie and I like we can tap into
Speaker 5: our natural pop star pretty easily. But Robert, I just
Speaker 5: feel like you've got like a lot of weapons and
Speaker 5: kind of scary notes and I'm just like not getting
Speaker 5: pop star from you right now? So I wanted to
Speaker 5: don't touch.
Speaker 4: The notes anymore. Please, no one wants to see the address.
Speaker 4: We're gonna put that down, Robert.
Speaker 5: I wanna like we were thinking we would help you
Speaker 5: kind of get in touch with your inner pop star tonight?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 5: Okay? Oh boy, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Let's kick up the music.
Speaker 5: We we've got, We've got a little plan.
Speaker 4: We've got a quiz. I found a quiz on the
Speaker 4: internet called pop star?
Speaker 7: Which are you?
Speaker 5: All right, Robert? If you want to find out which
Speaker 5: pop star you are, this personality quiz reveals your perfect
Speaker 5: famous singer match side note, can you name at least
Speaker 5: three of those people?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: The quiz before the quiz?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's uh Selena Gomez? Is that one of us? Yeah?
Speaker 7: That looks like that looks like there's a Selena Gomez.
Speaker 7: And there's that also, is that Taylor Swift in the strip?
Speaker 4: Yes see?
Speaker 5: All right, one more beebs, come on, I've given you
Speaker 5: five years.
Speaker 4: This one justin Bieber?
Speaker 5: Really yeah? And that is oh you got he got
Speaker 5: a little caked out, didn't he?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 10: And that's famously the woman you called Arianna Grad.
Speaker 7: Wait, which one.
Speaker 5: That's better have a day?
Speaker 7: Just one of the three ladies with Selena go mess.
Speaker 5: Robert's a big fan of rare beauty cosmetic.
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna start the quiz.
Speaker 7: Okay, but who the hell is on the left that
Speaker 7: no one knows?
Speaker 5: Oh that name?
Speaker 7: That name means nothing to me, No one's.
Speaker 4: No one's quite sure who that is on the left?
Speaker 4: All right, can we start the quiz?
Speaker 5: The first question, what is your favorite treat?
Speaker 11: I might knowsh potato cheese, pizza, eating out a Nantas
Speaker 11: or chicken nuggets.
Speaker 7: I mean, I gotta I gotta say Nando's.
Speaker 5: Eating out at Nanda's. Okay, let's choose that one, Kaylen,
Speaker 5: you're gonna take this next one absolutely Pick a movie
Speaker 5: or series, Romance, slash Spotify, why are those tubes grouped together?
Speaker 5: Not sure this makes sense?
Speaker 2: Stify slash action that makes a little more sense, crime
Speaker 2: slash action or Bollywood drama.
Speaker 4: Thoughts.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of you know, there's some intersecting venn diagress.
Speaker 7: You know it's heartbreaking to think that soon is like
Speaker 7: this will be written by ais, I know, putting hard
Speaker 7: working writers out of business.
Speaker 4: What are you thinking?
Speaker 5: Answer the question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have to answer yes, Roberts. Well, I guess
Speaker 7: I mean my preference in movies is my my preference
Speaker 7: in real life. So crime action, crime action. I think
Speaker 7: I could go for some crime action.
Speaker 4: All right. Next we have what song do you like most?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 11: This is gonna be rapped Cigarette day Dreams by King
Speaker 11: the Elephant, Get It Right by Diplo and m o Hey,
Speaker 11: Jude by the Beatles, or Thriller by Michael Jackson.
Speaker 7: Did you guys hear the latest Cage the Elephant news?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I haven't heard the Latest Cage the Elephant.
Speaker 7: The lead singer was arrested in New York because people
Speaker 7: at the hotel noticed when he was in the bathroom
Speaker 7: yelling at no One that he had a loaded gun
Speaker 7: in his pants, So he was illegally carrying two forty
Speaker 7: fives loaded in chambered anyway with singer Rette Daydreams?
Speaker 12: Okay, all right, why are you like it?
Speaker 9: All right?
Speaker 5: Next quessure Gayla Okay, where do you like to live?
Speaker 5: The four places?
Speaker 7: Well, California and Europe are both acceptable, England and New
Speaker 7: York are not. Yeah, I guess I'm gonna go with
Speaker 7: Europe because California is gonna burn down soon.
Speaker 4: I'm fair.
Speaker 5: Okay, which car do you like the most? Red car,
Speaker 5: blue car, green car, or red car.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with the green one.
Speaker 5: Okay, I like that?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's really gonna hurt the environment real bad.
Speaker 7: None of them are going to be good to the environment.
Speaker 4: But that one looks like Shrek, who is good.
Speaker 7: For the environment?
Speaker 4: Shrek Heads. What is your shavorite animal? Tarantula, horses, cats,
Speaker 4: or lion? Well, I guess still somehow there's.
Speaker 7: I can't forgive this quiz for making me between cats
Speaker 7: and lions, but I'll go with cats.
Speaker 5: Okay, good.
Speaker 4: Do you know how many nipples a cat has? It's eight?
Speaker 5: That's cat fox with Caitlin like a spider Rubbert.
Speaker 4: Which country or region would you like to visit the most?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 4: Eastern Europe, the UK or India.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with why.
Speaker 4: No one's been there before.
Speaker 7: I've drawn the mystery.
Speaker 4: What musical instrument would you like to learn? Ukulele, cello, piano.
Speaker 4: I would only like.
Speaker 7: To sing, yeah, I would only like to sing.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're gonna regret saying that. Which personality trait fits you?
Speaker 4: According to your friends and family. Well, okay, Sophie, you
Speaker 4: can answer this said.
Speaker 5: Being rebellious, being stubborn, being campette on it, or being
Speaker 5: a dreamer. So me, you should answer this your friends
Speaker 5: and family. Yeah, I'm gonna go with ask the audience.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry, but the clear answer is compasionate.
Speaker 5: He's a very compati nuts guy. Why all right?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Which what fictional character inspires you the most?
Speaker 4: Michael saw from the office.
Speaker 2: Fictional character Robin Williams, Willie Wonka or Harry Potter.
Speaker 5: Yea, answer this question.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with Robin Williams, but specifically
Speaker 7: Robin Williams from One Hour Photo.
Speaker 4: That's a good Robin Williams. Which quote do you agree
Speaker 4: with the most? All the good girls go to have?
Speaker 5: Be kind to yourself a little more every day. Music
Speaker 5: is a powerful tool in galvanizing people at an issue
Speaker 5: or no matter how many times people try to criticize you,
Speaker 5: the best revenge just to prove them wrong.
Speaker 7: Well, I guess the revenge one. I am a revenge Stan.
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna go sassy switch out?
Speaker 4: What are you afraid of? The Phantom of the Darkness?
Speaker 2: Loneliness being in a crowded place, or drowning.
Speaker 7: I mean, I gotta give it to him. They spelled
Speaker 7: loneliness right, which I was not expecting from this writer.
Speaker 10: Your your answers Tepinitely being in a crowded place.
Speaker 7: Yeah, having been in a couple of crowd crush situations.
Speaker 7: Everyone file out real carefully.
Speaker 4: Who would you like to spend an evening with.
Speaker 5: Oh boy after fans on or family?
Speaker 7: I'm gonna have to go with the loan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're friends or a sadd What natural element inspires
Speaker 5: you the most?
Speaker 4: The sky, the ocean, mountains or the desert.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with mountains.
Speaker 5: Yes, a classic element. What is your favorite type of
Speaker 5: sports courseback riding, boxing, football, or soccer?
Speaker 7: What a series of choices. Well, I'm gonna I'm like
Speaker 7: a on an artistic level, I appreciate head injuries, so
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with football. Okay, although boxing, I was.
Speaker 5: Like, there's a loan and falling off a horse you
Speaker 5: could get a break.
Speaker 7: You're right, You're they're all great head injury sports soccer too,
Speaker 7: But I'm gonna go with football.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is a really long quiz. Look, look where
Speaker 5: I was doing exteen of twenty. Okay, what is your
Speaker 5: favorite time of day? Afternoon, morning, dusk, or night night?
Speaker 5: It's yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 4: Did the out of chronological orders?
Speaker 5: What would you do first and make the world a
Speaker 5: better place? Abolishing sexual discrimination, ending all wars, controlling climate change,
Speaker 5: or restoring balance at the global economy. Sorry, you can
Speaker 5: only be gone. You're gonna seem like a bit no
Speaker 5: matter what.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, Look, controlling climate change sounds like I
Speaker 7: could control the weather, and I could. I could deal
Speaker 7: with some problems if I could control the weather. So
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with that one control.
Speaker 5: That's the vaguest answer by far.
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, select one of the drinks below, rum, vodka, wine,
Speaker 2: or tequila.
Speaker 5: But uh, what is what city is the best place
Speaker 5: to live for a pop star?
Speaker 3: La?
Speaker 4: Paris, London or New York?
Speaker 7: I mean, what's furthest away from me? Paris? Let's let's
Speaker 7: keep them far.
Speaker 5: Okay, and final question, Oh my gosh, select a super
Speaker 5: a supernatural power.
Speaker 4: You know that's the.
Speaker 5: Grouse awesome invisibility, reading minds, talking and understanding what animals say.
Speaker 5: A lot of thorny vinderstanding what animals say.
Speaker 4: Flying specifically, and don't press next.
Speaker 5: Yet because.
Speaker 7: I mean flying with flying right, like that's the only
Speaker 7: choice in a list of superpowers that.
Speaker 4: Can we get a little drum roll because we're about to.
Speaker 7: Get Roberts so excited.
Speaker 5: Robert your pop star is you may? Oh no, that
Speaker 5: is pretty fucking rough man.
Speaker 7: That's not good.
Speaker 5: How are you all right? Listen?
Speaker 10: All right?
Speaker 4: Give it up for Robert. That was very vulnerable of
Speaker 4: you to do.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, there you have it listeners. That was
Speaker 2: our live show recorded again back in February at Curious
Speaker 2: Comedy Theater in Portland. We wanted to jump back in
Speaker 2: though to discuss something that we didn't have time for
Speaker 2: in the live show. But we wanted to bring up
Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus's history of appropriation.
Speaker 3: Right, which I think you get a taste of, not
Speaker 3: that you would want it and in this movie not
Speaker 3: to say that.
Speaker 4: You know, at this point Miley is a kid.
Speaker 3: She's not really making a lot of her own creative decisions.
Speaker 3: But I think it is something that you see very
Speaker 3: often in kids media and which is still very white dominated,
Speaker 3: you know, the Hoddan throwdown. It's a very gentle sort
Speaker 3: of blend of genres. But I think we're more talking
Speaker 3: about how this unfolds in her adult career because it's
Speaker 3: been I feel like it's pretty common knowledge that it's
Speaker 3: been a lot.
Speaker 2: Yes, So, Miley Cyrus, along with many other white pop artists,
Speaker 2: have a history of appropriating other cultures, often Black culture,
Speaker 2: using people of color as props and set dressing in
Speaker 2: music videos, things like that, and these artists profiting from that,
Speaker 2: and then when that esthetic doesn't serve them anymore, or
Speaker 2: you know, like in the case of Miley, when she
Speaker 2: wants to get back to her country roots, for example,
Speaker 2: these artists have the privilege of being able to easily
Speaker 2: shed the persona that they had been appropriating.
Speaker 3: Right And I think that the sort of most well
Speaker 3: known arc of this takes place after the Hannimontana movie,
Speaker 3: but surrounds Miley's album Bangers, which came out in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: which I think appropriated so heavily from black culture that
Speaker 3: it was a topic of discussion in twenty thirteen, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, culturally a thousand years ago, right, But there
Speaker 3: was a lot of criticism, rightfully, so, around how Miley
Speaker 3: incorporated black aesthetics into her music and into her music videos,
Speaker 3: and there was also a lot of criticism of using
Speaker 3: black women and black dancers essentially as props during this
Speaker 3: I think particularly this album, but also just kind of
Speaker 3: throughout these couple of years, she generally would not respond
Speaker 3: to these criticisms at all or just blow them off,
Speaker 3: would not engage with them seriously at all.
Speaker 2: Fain ignorance, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: This goes into twenty fifteen, she hosts the MTV Music
Speaker 3: Video Music Awards the VMAs in Dreadlocks, and you're just like, well,
Speaker 3: I didn't I don't remember that but that and then
Speaker 3: I saw it and then I was like, well, that's horrible,
Speaker 3: and like you were referencing Caitlin. That came back around
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen when she did an interview in Billboard
Speaker 3: when she was sort of going back to country, completely
Speaker 3: disavowing or really distancing herself from from hip hop in general,
Speaker 3: even though she was very clearly profiting off of off
Speaker 3: of hip hop for years, like half a decade, and
Speaker 3: then she totally I mean, not only in this interview
Speaker 3: does she distance herself, she also mocks it, and you know,
Speaker 3: just I'm was like, do we want to share quotes
Speaker 3: it's kind of this too. It's gross.
Speaker 2: I don't want to share quotes from that, but I
Speaker 2: would like to share quotes from a teen Vogue article
Speaker 2: by Michael arseno entitled Miley Cyrus faces rightful backlash in
Speaker 2: the light of past cultural appropriation. It's from twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: I'll switch back and forth from like direct quotes and paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: but it's a really good article. We will link it
Speaker 2: in our show notes. But Michael Arseneau speaks about white
Speaker 2: child stars trying to make a transition into bona fide
Speaker 2: adult star and what often happens with that, and how
Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus is a prime example of this. So quote.
Speaker 2: When they are younger, their squeaky clean presentation is incredibly profitable,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately for them, they age out and soon run
Speaker 2: the risk of becoming something that threatens their respective careers. Corny.
Speaker 2: They have to do something to hold on to their
Speaker 2: fan bases, who, like them, are growing up and are
Speaker 2: in search of new voices and sounds more aligned with
Speaker 2: their newfound older interests. So they clamor for something that
Speaker 2: will convey rebellion, and they run right to black culture.
Speaker 2: Then Michael talks about America's obsession with black culture, which
Speaker 2: non black Americans generally perceive as cool. But respect for
Speaker 2: black culture does not extend to the Black people who
Speaker 2: are creating that culture, as they are the subjects of
Speaker 2: constant racial discrimination. And then Michael goes on to discuss
Speaker 2: the public backlash against Miley throughout the years regarding her
Speaker 2: appropriation of hip hop aesthetics and styles, And we already
Speaker 2: alluded to this, but like the very cringey comments she
Speaker 2: has made about it, or the ignorance she has feigned
Speaker 2: about it, things like that, and how easy it is
Speaker 2: for again white artists to co opt black culture for
Speaker 2: personal gain, not only like money and profitability, but also
Speaker 2: as a like strategic like oh, I'm going to co
Speaker 2: opt this culture to gain credibility and popularity and get
Speaker 2: myself to a certain level of fame that I want
Speaker 2: to be in. And then when it no longer suits
Speaker 2: an artist like Miley Cyrus, they're able to just shed
Speaker 2: that persona when they no longer feel it suits their interests.
Speaker 3: Right, and I think I mean other And again, like
Speaker 3: you were saying earlier, this is not a problem specific
Speaker 3: to her. She is one of the more prominent perpetrators
Speaker 3: in the last ten years. But it's like, also in
Speaker 3: the last ten years we have you know, Azalea and
Speaker 3: Ariana Grande, and I know that I'm missing other white
Speaker 3: pop stars. And it's also not an issue that's specific
Speaker 3: to white women, it's white artists writ large.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an interview between Sandersong and Emma Bracy on
Speaker 2: an episode of teen Vogue's Pop Feminist. We just love
Speaker 2: teen Vogue, but they talk about a lot of the
Speaker 2: same things that this article is discussing. And they also
Speaker 2: cite Katie Perry, Avril Lavine, Gwen Stefani, who all have
Speaker 2: a history of appropriating East Asian culture. And then like
Speaker 2: justin Timberlake, so many white artists.
Speaker 4: Really name a white pop star.
Speaker 3: I think the list is shorter of artists who have
Speaker 3: not done it in the last twenty years. And you know,
Speaker 3: going back obviously doesn't get better. Thank you for sharing
Speaker 3: that I hadn't Yeah, I hadn't seen that article.
Speaker 2: And then I'll share one last kind of closing thought
Speaker 2: from it quote, there is something to be said for
Speaker 2: an artist having the space to try new things. And
Speaker 2: for many born of a certain age, hip hop culture
Speaker 2: has been the defining culture for their entire lives. But
Speaker 2: if you don't respect these subcultures you borrow from, you
Speaker 2: are not so much curious as you are a charlatan.
Speaker 2: In a perfect world, black art made by black people
Speaker 2: would be just as successful as the art made by
Speaker 2: a white artist who's inspired by it. In an ideal society,
Speaker 2: what black people are vilified for wouldn't be so much
Speaker 2: more alluring when performed by white people. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought that was just a wonderful article with a lot
Speaker 2: of great points.
Speaker 3: Let's link that in the description all. The last thing
Speaker 3: I wanted to say was I guess just referencing that
Speaker 3: Miley Syer has eventually did respond to these criticisms, not
Speaker 3: until twenty nineteen that I was able to see. But
Speaker 3: I just thought it was interesting in the way that
Speaker 3: this happened because I didn't realize. It's a YouTube channel
Speaker 3: that I watch called As Told by Kenya, a woman
Speaker 3: named Kenya Wilson. She does great pop culture critique, and
Speaker 3: she released a video in twenty nineteen called Miley Cyrus
Speaker 3: is My Problematic Fave Sorry, which is a fun title,
Speaker 3: but basically in that she goes through everything that we've
Speaker 3: spoken about and more in detail and sort of lays
Speaker 3: out how she feels about how because Milly's been silent
Speaker 3: on this issue so long, like what is away forward?
Speaker 4: Is there a way forward?
Speaker 3: And her personal opinion on like I still enjoy her work,
Speaker 3: So how do I square this as a black woman?
Speaker 3: And Miley Cyrus actually watched and commented on the vide
Speaker 3: and I mean it's not I just.
Speaker 4: Thought it was interesting.
Speaker 3: I'll share a short quote of what she responded. She said, quote,
Speaker 3: there are decades of inequality that I am aware of,
Speaker 3: but I still have a lot to learn about. Silence
Speaker 3: is a part of the problem, and I refuse to
Speaker 3: be quiet anymore. Simply said, I fucked up, and I
Speaker 3: sincerely apologize. I'm committed to using my voice for healing,
Speaker 3: change and standing up for what's right.
Speaker 4: Which is very vague.
Speaker 3: But the one thing that did feel, I guess the
Speaker 3: most clear was I own the fact that saying quote
Speaker 3: this pushed me out of the hip hop scene a
Speaker 3: little unquote, referencing that twenty seventeen interview was insensitive as
Speaker 3: it is a privilege to have the ability to dip
Speaker 3: in and out of the scene, so you know, certainly
Speaker 3: doesn't make anything right. But I also thought it was
Speaker 3: interesting that this was a conversation that.
Speaker 4: Is still ongoing and it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't correct anything that was done, but just that that
Speaker 3: was a dialogue between Kenya Wilson and Miley Harris was interesting.
Speaker 3: And I'll send you we can link Kenya's video as well,
Speaker 3: because it is very comprehensive and she's just really fun
Speaker 3: to watch. I really like her.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. So yeah, that's just something that we wanted
Speaker 2: to discuss that we didn't have time for in the
Speaker 2: live show. And what we also failed to do in
Speaker 2: the live show was take the nipple scale seriously. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: So we're going to give more serious answers for our
Speaker 2: nipple scale, which is of course the metric we use.
Speaker 2: It is a scale of zero to five nipples based
Speaker 2: on evaluating the movie through an intersectional feminist lens.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I I'm now remembering why we didn't take it very
Speaker 2: seriously in the movie or in the episode, because uh,
Speaker 2: this is a very silly movie. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: guess like one and a half nipples.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I'm like, I truly don't I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: one and a half nipples.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I won't say anything any further.
Speaker 3: If you know, you know, I'm going one and a
Speaker 3: half and I'm giving them to Reco for some reason.
Speaker 2: Oh wait who yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you when you're older.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, I'll give my nipples to character actor Margo Martindale.
Speaker 3: Amazing. Thank you again to Robert Evans and Too Curious
Speaker 3: Comedy Theater and to the entire audience that came out
Speaker 3: to that absolutely chaotic, bizarre show. And to Sophie Lichterman.
Speaker 3: We should be thanking her every single episode, but particularly
Speaker 3: this one, because not only did she was she kind
Speaker 3: enough to come on stage for the show, but also
Speaker 3: like put us up and like Sarah's shout out to
Speaker 3: Sarah Marshall and Sophie Liuchdterman for giving us a place
Speaker 3: to lay our perfect, beautiful heads. Yes and yeah, hopefully
Speaker 3: you know we are planning to be on tour a
Speaker 3: little bit in the fall, so keep your eyes peeled
Speaker 3: so you too can witness the terror that is a
Speaker 3: Bechdel cast live show.
Speaker 2: Will a knife get thrown at you?
Speaker 3: I feel I'm gonna be so careful that that does
Speaker 3: not happen again. But could be.
Speaker 2: Fun, could be At the very least we will probably
Speaker 2: eat hot dogs on stage and maybe wear wigs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're getting into we're kind of entering our themed
Speaker 3: costume at the show era, so yes, don't rule out
Speaker 3: a wig.
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Speaker 3: Wilds, we just covered what a girl wants after years
Speaker 3: of avoiding it.
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Speaker 3: You can also get our merch over on teapublic dot
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Speaker 3: to get on your horse or whatever and go hang
Speaker 3: out with Margot Martindale or whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go into the chicken coop and collect three eggs.
Speaker 3: And I'll collect whatever other appropriate number of eggs there
Speaker 3: are in there.
Speaker 4: Bye bye, bye bye