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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one, brand New Man Lot, I've been nineteen

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Speaker 2: necks broke and I don't ever play that one whenever

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Speaker 2: A couple quick notes here about Brooks and Done. They

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Speaker 2: We all love them. About Kicks, Brooks specifically grew up

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Speaker 2: And whenever he starts talking about wine, he just like

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Speaker 2: Kick Kicksbrooks. We should start with what we were saying

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Speaker 2: right before we started recording, where I was looking at

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Speaker 1: So he didn't send you the one where nobody showed up.

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Speaker 1: down hunting, but he did. He quit and went duck hunting.

432
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: Is that true?

433
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: Absolutely the truth. And it's funny because he got approached

434
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 1: by the pros after that because he was such a

435
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: strong quarterback. And the story goes, I guess they came

436
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: down from Oakland to see if he'd be interested in

437
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: coming and trying out, and he said, don't you all

438
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: play football at the same time. We're duck hunting at

439
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: the same time. Them country boys there, He said, yeah.

440
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: I said, then I'm not interested.

441
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: You know I saw Terry at the Opry a few

442
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: months ago. Yeah, yeah, I didn't really know Terry saying yeah, you.

443
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: Know he had a I don't know it was the

444
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: top ten record. I think, wasn't It wasn't for me

445
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: so I could cry. Yeah, he had an album out.

446
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Did you know him back then? Or do you guys

447
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: meet later on because you're from the same place we did?

448
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: We actually we met because of Tech and his daughter, Rachel.

449
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 1: You know, I'd met her and we started having a

450
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: golf tournament at Tech to raise money and just had

451
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fun and got to be friends.

452
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 2: He seems like a pretty funny guy.

453
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: He's hysterical and he's always He's just that is so him.

454
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: Hank Ty The Bobby Cast will be right back and

455
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: we're back on the Bobby Cast.

456
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 2: Did you have Louisiana people that you I mentioned? Johnny Cash,

457
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: like Brooks, Robbins, I played third base for the Orioles

458
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: way before me. But he was from Arkansas. Yeah, did

459
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: you have a Louisiana people like that to you that

460
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: you were like, they're from where we're from. Sure, I

461
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: really like I admire what they're doing. Who would that be?

462
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: Well, obviously the you know Hank Williams and Johnny Horton

463
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and Merle Kilgore. You're familiar with him. So Merle was

464
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: Hank Junior's manager and also wrote Wolverton Mountain and I

465
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: was just.

466
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: Surely as a writer and he managed.

467
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it managed Hank Junior, but famous. And I met

468
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: him through this CMA board the first time and we

469
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: got to be great friends. But yeah, he was famous

470
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: for you know, he had big rings on all his fingers,

471
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 1: you know, this jeweler diamond. Dan you know, made it

472
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: really really outgoing, you know, over the top, really fun guy.

473
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: But you say, Merle, you're doing good man, everything okay,

474
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: and you go, are you shitting me? Just those rings?

475
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: What was this? What was this? I mean when you

476
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: mentioned a guy like that, I think about Nashville when

477
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: it used to kind of be like that. Oh yeah,

478
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: low and it's still its own way of loud, but

479
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: like low you would just see somebody and know that they.

480
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: Lost a lot of our carnate factor.

481
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: Carnie, That's yeah, it's definitely. What was it like when

482
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: you moved What was this talent like when you moved here?

483
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the For me, it was all I

484
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a songwriter in this town. That's really.

485
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean all most all songwriters have some dreams and

486
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, they play their songs. We've gotten some recognition.

487
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: There's exceptions to that, but most songwriters like to think

488
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: of themselves as artists. I mean I did, and I

489
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: had a couple of record deals before Ronnie and I

490
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: got together, but not because I was that great. I

491
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know. But I started singing a lot of demos,

492
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, for stuff like that. But the town the

493
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: ability to My first publisher is a guy named Don Gant,

494
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: and man, he would hold court every day, we'd write

495
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: songs all day. But he had been at Tree Publishing

496
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: and was responsible for some of the great careers from

497
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: Roger Miller and Mickey Newberry, got Sonny Throckmorton, people you

498
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: may not be familiar with, but people that Harlan Howard.

499
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: Of course, they were all at Tree I mean they

500
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: owned independent publishing, but there were still great publishing company

501
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: companies like Combine where Christofferson and you know, Whalen and

502
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: all those guys were too little, smaller company. But when

503
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: we were done at the end of the day, people

504
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: would start piling in that door, and Don would always

505
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: send out for a few cases of beer. We just

506
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: packing his office and start passing the guitar around. We

507
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: really make you want to write something special, because if

508
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: that guitar came your way, or Don said, did you

509
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: write anything today? But at the same time, even if

510
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: I written something that wasn't that good, he would find

511
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: that one line in a song and go, man, wait

512
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: a second second verse, what was it you said you?

513
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Because y'all hear that, it's like and all of a

514
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: sudden he would make you feel like he might not

515
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: tell you it was a great song because it wasn't,

516
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: but he would also make sure you knew that's what

517
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: you need to be. That's that's a great line. Give

518
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: me a whole song full of that kind of stuff.

519
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great teacher. But also by the

520
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: end of by the end of the night, we're all

521
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: well oiled. Then then you know, Mackey Newberry or Ray

522
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: van Hoy or some of those guys that Throckmorton who

523
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: are just writing this brilliance. They get the guitar and

524
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: then you got the opportunity. Man, it was it was

525
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: all up and down the street and where's it happening

526
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and I just I don't, you know,

527
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: there's so so much you know, I don't sound like

528
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: an old guy, but there's so much concrete where there

529
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: were little houses all the way down Music Row, and

530
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: you just wander up and down. You could hear it

531
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times, up and down.

532
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: People just doing the thing.

533
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: Yeah that's going or and somebody come running down to

534
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: your publishing company and go, man, come on down to Combine.

535
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: You know, whaling's down there and there singing, you know,

536
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: and dad, that kind of stuff is going on.

537
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you moved here, like and again

538
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: you're in the majors now because you have all the

539
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: great songwriters around you, which elevates at least hopefully you

540
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: to to get to their level. Do you remember the

541
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: first like song you wrote where you were like, man,

542
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: this is special, Like I have now reached a new peak.

543
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 2: I've learned it and I've written this song. Do you remember

544
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: the first great song you feel like you wrote?

545
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: Honestly, I had quite a few number ones at that point,

546
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: but I think I think Red Dirt Road was was

547
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: a time when I really put the period on that

548
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: song and went, it's a freaking hit and it's it's

549
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: really saying it's you know. Ronnie and I did that together,

550
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: and he actually we had it was just a place

551
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: where we talked about, really got real with each other,

552
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: talked about where we came from. Like, you know, he

553
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: was telling me about Elderad. I was telling me about

554
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: where my grandparents was. That's where it was, and somehow

555
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: I was telling about driving those roads with my grandfather

556
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: looking you know, looking at at timber. You know what

557
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: he was going to cut, and I said, man, that

558
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: dirt was just so he goes, I know it was

559
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: up and said that'd be a good name for an album.

560
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: So now we got to write a song, and we

561
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of puttered around at it three or four times

562
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: and never really got more than a line or two.

563
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: And he got off the plane we were we had

564
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: a gig and Sacramento and we flew to San Francisco

565
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: and got off the plane, and he handed me a

566
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: cocktail napkin and it had those lines about you know,

567
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: drank my first beer and you know, wrecked my first

568
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: car toward it all the pieces, something about Jesus and

569
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: you know, life ain't just for high achievers. And he said,

570
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: what do you think. I think it's freaking great, man,

571
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: This is exactly what we were talking about. And I

572
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: jumped on a bus and you know, wrote the pretty

573
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: much the music and the verses. He had already told

574
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: me about Rule route three. You know, that's kind of

575
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: when we kicked around where he came from, and he

576
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: came and knocked on my bus, had Terry McBride and said, man,

577
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: let's go get a steak. And I said, you got

578
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: to hear this song though, and we both just kind

579
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: of slapped it up in here and and I couldn't

580
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: wait to record it. It was it was It was

581
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: really fun to put it down too.

582
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: Did you ever to write a song and go this

583
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: one's special? Then you recorded it and you're like, I

584
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: think it's lost what we were trying to do, so

585
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: let's do it again, or I think.

586
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: More just sometimes when you write songs for a living

587
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: and songs get recorded you know, Don Gant had a

588
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: plaque on his desk that said, it's not as good as.

589
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: The demo, you know, you ever hear Yeah, it would

590
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: just be tough if like you feel it. And then

591
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: you even like comedy songs, like if I play them

592
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: live and we try to record them, I'm always like,

593
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't sound as good when I recorded it, like,

594
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: and it probably does probably sounds better, yeah, but because

595
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: it's like live or like if I'm creating something on

596
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: the spot, it just feels newer and fresher.

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: You're married to the thing. And I would never would

598
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: never mention what song or that was, you know, or whatever,

599
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: because it's I mean, it's the greatest honor of all

600
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: for somebody to risk their career on something you made up,

601
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, as a songwriter. You know, but it is demolias.

602
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: You just get here. It used to hearing it one

603
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: way so many times. I remember, like Modern Day Romance,

604
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: I wrote that with a Dan Tyler, only song we

605
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: ever wrote together, and we had both had he wrote

606
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: Bobby Sue on the Oak Rich Boys album, and I

607
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: had a cut that I'd written on there and called

608
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: that was actually my first cut called Old Kentucky song

609
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: ever ever, Yeah, which was pretty lucky to be on

610
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: a million selling album because you get your songwriter role

611
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: teach you. All of a sudden, Don started paying me

612
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: one hundred bucks a week, and I'm a professional songwriter.

613
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: You know. It's really really where it went from. But man,

614
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I really believed in modern day romance. I said, Man,

615
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: this song is cool. It's got a good vibe to it,

616
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and everybody seemed to like it, but nobody would cut it,

617
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, and finally Can't said look, I'll cut it

618
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: on you. He said, and he produced above Ittt's first

619
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: five records. You know. He did come Monday, did all

620
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: the backgrounds. He was a great producer, and I said, wow,

621
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that'd be cool. He said, we'll get you a record deal.

622
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: So let's do it. He said, you sing it great

623
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: and die. So we did. We cut it. Actually got

624
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: a film company interested, cut a demo on it, I

625
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: mean a video on it, and was about to put

626
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: it out is it is an independent thing. And Warley

627
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: called and said, hey, man, dirt Man, just cut this song.

628
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: He said, it's a freaking hit. Okay, I'll put no

629
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: mine in the trash because I'm a huge dirt band

630
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: fan and Jeff Hannah sang the heck out of it. Anyway,

631
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: it was you know, sometimes things, sometimes things won't just

632
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: work out with songs. But you never know.

633
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Where did kicks come from?

634
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: There's a couple of weeks before I was born, was

635
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: what I was heard. I was trying to bust out

636
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of there. You know, I don't know about you, but

637
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: nine months.

638
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Was trying to Mary. I knew a good place when

639
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: I had it, I was the officite.

640
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Fetal position wasn't really my thing. I

641
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: wanted to stretch.

642
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Out with Mike because I you know, Bones is not

643
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: my real name is not Bones. It's est So kicks

644
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: nickname is a kid or nickname later? No, it was

645
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: I was always kicks, always from a young.

646
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Young kid, from the time I was born.

647
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: Really, but not your birth certificate.

648
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: No, it's on Eric. I'm the third. My son's the fourth.

649
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: Is he kicks that you call him kicks as well?

650
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 5: Though?

651
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Has he kicked Junior?

652
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: No? Call him quatro?

653
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: What do they call it? But they really call you

654
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: kicks that you kicked.

655
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: Not really call him rick. Yes, they've always gone me kicks.

656
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: Because you kicked in the womb because you came out

657
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: of baby. It's because you mess so much. I don't

658
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: know if you're kidding or not. No, that's the truth,

659
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: but you do understand. You mess so much that sometimes

660
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: it's hard for like douse, I'm looking at you, like, okay,

661
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: so kicks came from you were always.

662
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Kicks, that's correct. Okay, So if you can, if you

663
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: can find any defiance of that, Bobby, you have no

664
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: full credit on here.

665
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: I have no defiance I just.

666
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: Because I've removed all of that, so you won't well

667
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: find it.

668
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: You just a couple of my early stories here. The

669
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: first person that the first one played the opry. You

670
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: won't remember that you've done this ten thousand times with

671
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: ten thousand people. I was doing stand up and I

672
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: was about to play the opry for the first time ever,

673
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: and you were there, and you came in the room,

674
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: my first room and said hey, and we're like congratulate,

675
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's freaking awesome, and I thought

676
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: it so kind of you to do because you exactly

677
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: that's right. It was me and the time before that.

678
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: You don't get your name right, you billy billy bones. Yeah,

679
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: you call them billy bones. Yeah, it was nice. I

680
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: peed next to you to urinal In, Texas once.

681
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Remember that next to me, man, I remember everybody that

682
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: pays yes stand me Austin, Texas and outside each other

683
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: and I.

684
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: Did. You were at case one on one of the

685
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: radio station down there, and I was working a kiss

686
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: and I was in and I was like, I didn't

687
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: even know that you were in town. I think you may

688
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: have me.

689
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: You didn't try to shake hands or anything.

690
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 2: I did not not right then I left you. But

691
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: it was like, were you doing a solo project? Twelve ten,

692
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: two thousand? Did you do?

693
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: So?

694
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: When did you do a solo your solo thing, like

695
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: when you put out your record.

696
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: After Brooks and done?

697
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

698
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Or that would have been yeah, probably, Well we'd last

699
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: toured and ten, so it would have been eleven or twelve.

700
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: Because that's when it was. That's when we were probably

701
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: eleven before I moved here.

702
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

703
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: I think you remember, now, don't you. I did that? Yeah? Yeah,

704
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: you were peaking over the corner. That's how I get there.

705
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. This is the

706
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast. I've never been to Alaska. It's the one

707
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 5: state I haven't been to now. Just went to Maine

708
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: for the first time. Really, it's awesome Maine.

709
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: I do know that in New Hampshire did that, Never

710
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: been there, but I've not been to Alaska. But you

711
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: lived in Alaska, you worked in Alaska.

712
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: I did spend You're on the pipeline up there.

713
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

714
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: Took a break from college. And my dad was a

715
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: pipeline contractor, built pipelines all over the world. It's actually

716
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: a part of the team that designed the Alaska pipeline

717
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and his his background wasn't testing, and so is mine.

718
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: But basically, when you test a pipeline, except for just

719
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: a couple of suspended pipelines in Japan and here and there,

720
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: pipelines are all in the ground. So when you test

721
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: a pipeline, you fill it up with water and you

722
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: put a lot of pressure on that water. So if

723
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: it blows up, it just blows out, you know, a

724
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: hole in the ground, and the pressure dissipates immediately. There's

725
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: really no not much damage involved. When you've got a pipeline.

726
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: The biggest pipeline in the state's forty eight inch diameter.

727
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Alaska Pipeline's fifty six inch diameter, and it's on stilts,

728
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: so when you fill that up with water and something

729
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: bad happens. You know, we did millions of dollars worth

730
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: of damage test in that pipeline. Was really really exciting

731
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: and some real dangerous work.

732
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: But what was it like to live up there and

733
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: do that for a year? It was.

734
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I worked twelve hours a day, seven days

735
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: a week for almost a year without coming home.

736
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: Was it to save money?

737
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, absolutely so you didn't have to pay Alaska taxes.

738
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: I sent all my money home and yeah, I got

739
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: home and bought a hot Camaro and a new guitar

740
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: and I could get a date again.

741
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: Are you a guitar guy as in a nerd? Do

742
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: you really love old guitars?

743
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: I do love old guitars, but I'm really I'm not.

744
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a collector. You know, I've got a couple

745
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: of I've probably got, you know, four or five guitars

746
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: that are like from fifty one and earlier. They sound

747
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: really cool, they still play, They still play great, and

748
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I love the way they sound, but they don't really

749
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: amplify very well. You know, most of the guitars that

750
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: I play on stage J two hundreds are kind of

751
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: There was a couple of days that I got guys

752
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: that play guitar in the band that had a bunch

753
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: of acoustics, just stood out front with the man playing

754
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: playing with play by yourself, you know. And J two

755
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: hundreds is that for strumming? And right now a lot

756
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: of songs, I'm the only guy playing acoustic guitars, so,

757
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, for a good even big, big strum sound

758
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: when I'm playing rhythm, I love J two hundreds and

759
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: I had I was playing a goal Les Paul at

760
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: the Gold top less Paul at the time. And for

761
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: this stuff I played electrically. I mean in college, I

762
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: was the only guitar player in some of my bands.

763
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: You know.

764
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: Now I got two great guitar players that run circles

765
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: around me, and so I play acoustic and sing and

766
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: you know.

767
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: Do what I do.

768
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: But it's fun. I'm not People ask me all the

769
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 1: time how many guitars you got, and it's not tons.

770
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, I probably have twenty or thirty guitars.

771
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Maybe, well that's a lot of guitars. It is you

772
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: have a music part of the house.

773
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a couple of music parts, but I

774
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: have guitars everywhere I mean, I do not. There's not

775
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: a day in my life that I don't pick up

776
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: a guitar.

777
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask if you still play around the house. Ever, Yeah,

778
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: I do, and you still enjoy music.

779
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: I still love music, and God love my wife because

780
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: I just I give myself concerts somedays, or I just

781
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: play a lot of songs that just remind myself. Especially

782
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, you're just getting situations, whether it's on stage

783
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: with your friends or whatever, and you go, oh, I

784
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: love that song. I need to remember how to play that,

785
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: and you know that kind of stuff.

786
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 2: You're still driven to pick up a guitar and just

787
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 2: play for fun.

788
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, that's.

789
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: Not always the case.

790
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: It's just, man, what do you do to shake out

791
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: your yayas in the morning? I mean, just what do

792
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: you do to you swim laps in that.

793
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Pool or what Sometimes?

794
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did this morning too, But it's not the

795
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: same as just singing my heart out for two or

796
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: three songs, to really put my heart into some music

797
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: all by myself and just sing and just really give

798
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: it to the air.

799
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 2: Do you still keep notes if you get an idea

800
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: like a songwriting adia, Oh gosh, yeah, so yeah, I

801
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: keep yeah, I come off and you right all write.

802
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: Something all the time? Really yeah, I mean, but it's

803
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: finishing songs is that's the work, and that's what takes

804
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: the time that I'm like you, I've surrounded myself with

805
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: money spenders, and I the work that I have, you know,

806
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: even you know, just getting ready for a tour. You know,

807
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: I do a radio show too, as you know, and

808
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: got the wineries rocking pretty hard, and that's something that

809
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: I have given quite a bit of attention to. So

810
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: I just kind of in the morning, I start going

811
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: through all the stuff, and you know, I call it

812
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: checking the traps, and just you know, it gets in

813
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: the way of really spending a lot of time. If

814
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: I get focused on a song, I need two or

815
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: three days to really get from top to bottom to

816
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: feel like it's any good.

817
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: Explain this winery to me, because I've never take a wine,

818
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: uh huh, but it seems to be a pretty popular thing.

819
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: Wine and coffee two things I think are catching on nowadays.

820
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: It's pretty popular, too, too popular. But I drive by

821
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: your place if I go play golf, yeah, over a troubador,

822
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: and I see people out there sometimes not even drinking

823
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: wine is hanging out, sitting out there on blankets and stuff. Yeah, so,

824
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: what the heck's happening over there. I've never actually been

825
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: there except driving by.

826
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it was never a goal of mine to

827
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: have a bar. That's a lie, that's a lot, because

828
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: that's how I got to Nashville. Honestly, when I graduated

829
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: from college, a good friend of mine the most popular

830
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: bar in Sreeport where I played all the time. It's

831
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: a really cool club, about a three hundred seater and

832
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: on the weekends it was blowing up. But he was

833
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: losing money on the weekdays because he was trying to

834
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: hire acts. People you know, don't go out to bars,

835
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: not in a lot of towns during the you know,

836
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: keeping a bar, going a big entertainment bar, it's hard.

837
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: But he wanted to sell it five thousand dollars. So

838
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: my dad and I were like best friends, and I

839
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: called a meeting with him though, because I wanted to

840
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: borrow this money. Didn't have any money, but I had

841
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: this idea. I was going to be the house band.

842
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: You know, we could sell it wouldn't cost anything during

843
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: the week weekends were blowing it out. Can make a

844
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: lot of money. This is kind of working. So I

845
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 1: went in there and said, hey, Dad, here's my plan.

846
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: He said, I die. I gave him the whole rundown

847
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: and whatever like that. And he's sitting there behind his desk,

848
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: smoking his cigar, nodding his head and said, you know

849
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: what I need five thousand dollars. I I was hoping

850
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: maybe you could go sign for it. Okay, So well

851
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: that first that that's not going to happen. He said, Really,

852
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: two things here it goes. The first one is I

853
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: think you got a lot of talent, he goes, I

854
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: believe in you, he said, But you don't want to

855
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: be a big fish in a small pond here in Nashville.

856
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: I mean in Shreeport, there's not a handful of bands

857
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: doing any good. And really, if you if you want

858
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: to prove to yourself and everybody that you really got

859
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: what it takes, you need to go to Nashville or

860
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: New York or Los Angeles and see if you can

861
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: really make it in the music business. Okay, Oh see,

862
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean it makes sense.

863
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

864
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: And the second thing, you don't know a damn thing

865
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: about the bar business. So yeah, that that got me

866
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: out and going.

867
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: When you move here to Nashville. How soon after that,

868
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: after he has that talk with you, like we ain't

869
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: doing a bar, but you got to You got to

870
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: go because you're good enough to go. You just got

871
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: to go. You chose Nashville, obviously, But how long until

872
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: you get here and actually feel like this is home

873
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: or that you can actually thrive.

874
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: Well, it took a minute, because not like it did

875
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I was fortunate. Jody Williams

876
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: and I were roommates in military school, and Jody was

877
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: running Charlie Daniels publishing company. His sister was married to

878
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Charlie's guitar player, so he kind of got it in

879
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: there me and I could. It was the first place

880
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: I'd ever been, because I've worked in New Orleans for

881
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: seventy two nights before I came here, that I couldn't

882
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: take my guitar and a handful of you know, newspaper

883
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: articles that i'd gotten at least let somebody I could

884
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: play for somebody and get a gig making some kind

885
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: of money, like in the airport kind of thing here now.

886
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: But when I got to town, this was the first

887
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: place I'd ever been where I couldn't make a living

888
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: playing my guitar.

889
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: I mean it was everybody. Everybody was trying to do it.

890
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just there weren't any.

891
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: And there's not enough places.

892
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there's a cover band or something, but everybody

893
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: he played for free. Everybody's trying to get noticed, you know.

894
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean I auditioned and played at the Bluebird all

895
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: the time. It's actually where you know, like in the movies,

896
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: I got discovered. Bob Dole, who wound up managing Garth Brooks,

897
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: was working at ass Cap, saw me playing at the Bluebird,

898
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: invited me to his office the next day, introduced me

899
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: to Don Ghenton. Don got me, you know, my first

900
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: couple of cuts and gave me a publishing deal.

901
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the Nashville story here the Bluebird. I

902
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: know somebody sees you. Did you were you like a

903
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: picture who was being scouted or you knew the scouts

904
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: were in the stands that night?

905
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: No, no, I really I didn't have really didn't have

906
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: anything going. And what I learned was my songs weren't

907
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: that good. I'd written a lot of songs, but and

908
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: me and David Lee Murphy were sweeping floors for Charlie Daniels.

909
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: We got thirty bucks at night for sweep sweeping the

910
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: War Memorial where the hall for the Musicians Hall of

911
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: Fame is right now, I'm not kidding. And we worked security.

912
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: We worked the barricade behind the barricade to keep people

913
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: from jumping on the stage, and then we'd work the room,

914
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, when after the show was over, making sure

915
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: nobody got in there or anything, and then we sweep

916
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: the floors.

917
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Did you ever almost give up?

918
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: No, I shouldn't say that. I mean there were probably times,

919
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a songwriter, and I had, you know,

920
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: like four number ones and quite a few cuts and

921
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: had some you know, good years. But it was ten

922
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: years before I met Ronnie, and there's there was valleys

923
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: in there where I went, I'm not making that much money.

924
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: I got a couple of kids. Now, hm, is this?

925
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: You know? Where does this go from here? You know,

926
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm not really hot right now. I've got a publishing deal.

927
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: But you know, three or four hundred bucks a week

928
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: whatever I was making, you start looking around going, you know,

929
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: that's what people do, a lot of people throwing the towel.

930
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: I never did. Fortunately, you know, every time I just

931
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: start to get a little discouraged, something good would happen

932
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 1: and just enough to enough to keep you in the game,

933
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: you know. It always I was fortunate that, you know,

934
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: people believed them here there even people that were doing

935
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: advertising jingles and that kind of stuff. I always had some

936
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: singing going on to and and I you know, I

937
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: had a couple of record deals. It was on Capitol,

938
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: you know, didn't pan out, but people were aware. And

939
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's how eventually, you know, Tim Dubois felt like,

940
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good enough singer that me and

941
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: Ronnie Dunn might make some noise.

942
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Okay, back to the wine, Like, what do you sell there?

943
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: Other than why what if people pay money for when

944
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: they go there? One is our big deal. I would

945
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: think it would be one of the major.

946
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: One different kinds of wine. So we bring hundreds of

947
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: thousands of pounds of fruit in from from all over California.

948
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: Not all grapes grapes, but all grapes, we say fruit.

949
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you may like wine, we don't,

950
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: but we do make some a couple. I know nothing

951
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: about wine kicks, so I've never had drink of alcohol.

952
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna talk to you like a.

953
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Kindergarten ferment oranges. You know people in prison do that

954
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: all in the toilet.

955
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: I know. I mean I've seen those present shows. Yeah,

956
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 2: you've ever.

957
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Left fruit in your refrigerator? Anything will ferment like that. Okay.

958
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: So when you say fruit, though, you mean grapes, I

959
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: mean grape.

960
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they have a sixteen acres of fruit of grapes,

961
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: and we use every grape we grow, but we can't

962
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: grow a lot of these grapes they grow in California.

963
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: You probably heard of cabernet, are low or chardonnay. Those

964
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: are actually types of grapes and they need that climate

965
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: like in northern California. They like it hot in the daytime,

966
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: but at night they need to shut down and rest,

967
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: And our nights here are warm enough that the flavors

968
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: of those kind of grapes just kind of blow off

969
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: at night. So we grow certain kinds of grapes that

970
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: do well here, that are hardy. But it depends on

971
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: the variety.

972
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: You're telling me, those are different greatly. Cabernet, chardonnay, what

973
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: was the other one you said, are low? So those

974
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: are just different grape.

975
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: There are different kinds of grapes.

976
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: Green, purple. This is the two kind I know.

977
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's white that makes white wine and red wine.

978
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Did you know, Mike, That's that's what it was. There

979
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 2: are different grapes. We're idiots, I mean we're Idiot's just

980
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: something you're not into. So can you do the way

981
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: when people the taste of mind, they spit it out

982
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: and they're like, hmm, there's some tree bark from a

983
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: pine tree? Can you do? Are you that your palette

984
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: that distinguished?

985
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: It's it's not. I'm not a somalier by any means,

986
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: but I can tell. I can tell Cabernet from Sanchio

987
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 1: Vesi grapes that I can tell, certainly, Bordeaux ones from

988
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: California ones. You know, certain big areas that have real

989
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 1: distinct tastes to them. I can tell the difference.

990
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 2: You can taste an area.

991
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: I can some areas, wow, you know, because some areas

992
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: are real. You know some Italian ones, you know, spend

993
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Italy one they have exactly

994
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: you know the difference in New York and you know

995
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: pizza and Chicago. What's fair?

996
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: I definitely can't. Okay, if you were to give me

997
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: a piece of New York or Chicago deep dish. I

998
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: could tell you the difference. I definitely could.

999
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. It's like you start there and

1000
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 1: then if you're really into pizza, you go, well, okay,

1001
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: this is Papa John's is not the same. Well what's

1002
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: the difference? You know, That's how some people would go.

1003
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: You can't tell the difference? Yeah you can?

1004
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: You know, right, how did wine?

1005
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1006
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, for her, I can. How did wine? Did

1007
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 2: it be in your thing? Though?

1008
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: Well from Louisiana, So I started drinking at a very

1009
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: early age. I like wine. It's great, you know, it's

1010
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: great with food. That's a big deal with wine is pairing.

1011
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: If you, you know, start doing that. There's certain because

1012
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: of the acidity and red wines and white ones, and

1013
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, a great cabernet if you really like steak,

1014
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: it pairs great. One thing that wine does, like good wines,

1015
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: nice ones. You know what makes a great wine? Well,

1016
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: one thing is what's called a long finish. And if

1017
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: a wine has a you know, especially a Cabernet or

1018
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: more lower great steak ones, if they have a long finish,

1019
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: you like the taste of that wine. You take a

1020
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: big sip of that and you cut your steak. You

1021
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: taste that wine with that steak, and it's just a

1022
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: great pairing of food and drink. And that's that's all

1023
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: part of it. You know, you really learn to pair.

1024
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, some like Senjia Vassi, a wine we may

1025
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: call red Fox. Red is a great what I call

1026
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: a table wine. And there's a lot of great Italian

1027
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: table wines which are just great with cheese and crackers.

1028
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's a great pairing that you know,

1029
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: just drink a little wine, and it's also something fun

1030
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: with your friends. You know, you cap cop a little buzz,

1031
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: you start talking about some stuff you might not have

1032
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: been talking about before, and just you know, it's it's nonsense,

1033
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: but it's it's fun.

1034
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 2: That is, you do wine sell wine, but people go

1035
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: either just to hang out too, right, the just sit

1036
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: in the build.

1037
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Most people are drinking. They are, yeah, most of their

1038
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: children are, you know.

1039
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: At least five and six year olds. You don't sell

1040
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: wine to the kids.

1041
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: That's we don't sell wine to the kids. And it's

1042
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: it's hysterical online. You know, the rare complaints that we

1043
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: get are because you know, there's not enough things for

1044
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:00,479
Speaker 1: their children to do.

1045
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: At the winery.

1046
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we're trying to drink here, you know,

1047
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: could you please set up a bouncy you know, house

1048
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: or something for the kids so you know, we can

1049
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: drink in peace.

1050
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: Do you have one of those lives where you can

1051
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: go places? Because if you have the cowboy hat on,

1052
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: it's over. We know it's you immediately. When you were

1053
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: on the ball cout, I would know what's you, obviously,

1054
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: but I would think that because your cowboy hat is

1055
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 2: such a large part of your persona that sometimes people

1056
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: don't go, hey, Kicks Brooks.

1057
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: They don't. It's rare. You know. We did, like I said,

1058
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 1: we did four years, one hundred and four or five

1059
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: shows with Rieba in Las Vegas. So Ronnie and reeb

1060
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: we're both very recognizable. They would always take a car

1061
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: from their rooms around to the back of the coliseum

1062
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: and go in, and I would come out of my

1063
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: room just for enjoyment, would walk through all the slot

1064
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: machines and whatever by the crap table where I would

1065
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: play every night after the show, you know, walk through

1066
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: the crowd that's in line for our show. Literally, excuse me,

1067
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: pardon me through them, and sometimes even walk in and

1068
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: check out the merchandise room, which is they're all right

1069
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: next to the coliseum. Not one time in four years,

1070
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and four shows, not one time to one person,

1071
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: no matter how many times they've been to that show,

1072
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: and we keep a record of that. You know, some

1073
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: of them have been to those shows thirty times or something.

1074
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: Recognize me.

1075
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 2: I don't think it's because you're not recognizable. I think

1076
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: it's because what we recognize you for is so big

1077
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: with the cowboy hat and the boots, and now you're

1078
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: just hanging out. You know, if I saw you at Starbucks,

1079
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: I'd be like, yeah, that's kick. But again, but because

1080
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: you are always in the cowboy how people see you publicly,

1081
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 2: it looks just like him, only older. It's the perfect

1082
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: life of celebrity. You get to be famous when you

1083
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: want to, and if you don't want to, you just

1084
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: put on a ball cap. I would imagine George stra

1085
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: can do that.

1086
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes he does do that, and I wasn't going to

1087
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: mention him, but since you did, I can. I remember

1088
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: somebody came up to me and said, we're on the

1089
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: sideline at an NFL playoff, game in Dallas, and then

1090
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: somebody goes that straight over there and they're arguing, no,

1091
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: it's not I swear it's it's not him.

1092
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: You know.

1093
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: And I finally walked over and said, hey, George, you

1094
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: know it, he's gonna ball calf on, you know.

1095
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, let's take a quick pause for a message

1096
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: from our sponsor.

1097
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast. I was playing golf

1098
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: at a program with a professional golfer from San Antonio

1099
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: and he plays with George some Obviously George loves down there,

1100
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: and he said that they were in Ireland playing golf

1101
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: together once and they had played and they went to

1102
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: a pub, but there was a guy doing some covers

1103
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: and he was playing George straight songs and George was there.

1104
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: He didn't and the whole time he never knew that

1105
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: two tables down when there were like eleven people in

1106
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: the whole bar or pub, that George Strait was sitting

1107
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: right there, and he was because George was a baseball

1108
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: cap and nobody recognizes them.

1109
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: That's funny.

1110
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: I went to think of the name. There's an island,

1111
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 2: a small island that my CFO has a house, and

1112
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: I went and stayed on this island, and George had

1113
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: a house that was right next to it, and so

1114
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: you have to take a boat to get to that.

1115
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've been there, if you don't, order if

1116
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: you have a house there. Do you have a house there?

1117
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.

1118
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: There's an island. It's like in the Bahamas.

1119
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: In the Bahamas, yeaheah, probably Bakers but that's just for

1120
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: Georgia's Yeah, that's it.

1121
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ever go over there?

1122
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? I fish in the Bahamas a lot, really, but

1123
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: I haven't been to Baker's Bay.

1124
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: It feels like a real very close to there.

1125
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Andros and Exama down there.

1126
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: Do you still fish a lot all the time. What's

1127
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: your favorite kind of fishing?

1128
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,479
Speaker 1: Bone fishing? Probably? Yeah?

1129
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 2: I like blue It feels like a mobster thing, like

1130
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: you kill somebody. Yeah, like bone fishing. What what what?

1131
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: I don't know? I know, lake fish, I like blue,

1132
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: bluewater fishing, fly fishing, you know, got it?

1133
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: Long casting not? I mean I fish in Alaska every

1134
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: year with my son, you know, I after twelve years

1135
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: ag and that's I love fly fishing for when the

1136
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: salmon are running, you know, I mean those are those

1137
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: are big fish and they're like they put a whack

1138
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But bone fishing,

1139
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, you might. You can walk for five miles

1140
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: and a foot and a half deep of water and

1141
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: those flats out there, and it's just really fun because

1142
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: it's slight fishing. You can see them and they're traveling

1143
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: across and then you're kind of stalking. You've got to

1144
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: get in the right position where you can make a

1145
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty foot cast in the.

1146
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: Right spot and fifty or sixty foot in the right spot.

1147
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the wind's always blowing down.

1148
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: What's the bone part of it?

1149
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: They're just called bonefish. They're not fishy eat.

1150
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 2: So literally it's like like bonefish, girl, I'm familiar with that. Yeah,

1151
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: right there we go. I went. I grew up fishing

1152
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 2: a lot, but lakes never, never ocean never, never went

1153
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: to a beach never, but so but also didn't fly

1154
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: fish a lot. But we went. And I know Johnny

1155
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 2: Morris a little bit who owns Batspro, and he was like, hey,

1156
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: you should come up, you should stay up here. Let

1157
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: me know when you're gonna be in town. I'm gonna

1158
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 2: come see you guys, And so like Johnny Will coming

1159
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: up and he's like, okay, cool. And so first of

1160
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: all he's super nice and sets us all up with

1161
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 2: fishing and golf, and he goes, I'm gonna send you

1162
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: guys to the honey hole. I don't know what that

1163
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: means right right then, and I was like, okay, great.

1164
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 2: I'd figure if Johnny Morris is sending this over it's fishing,

1165
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 2: it's gonna be legit. So somebody comes and gets us

1166
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: in a van. He goes, you know, Johnny doesn't let

1167
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: many people go to the honey hole. We don't know

1168
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: the honey hole list. We don't know. It's got to

1169
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: be where it and we get in, so they give

1170
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: us a ride. We're fly fishing, and it's probably as

1171
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: big as this room here, the whole pond, the whole hole,

1172
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: massive trout, every inch of you throw you it's the

1173
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: only time of my life. It's cheating because he's it

1174
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: was so stocked that as soon as as soon as

1175
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: the flight would hit what we're just jerking them out

1176
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 2: of there?

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00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: He says, Are they lake trout? You're saying? Or is there?

1178
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: But they're massive lake trout? I mean I'm talking we

1179
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: have a trout truck go by and drop trout off

1180
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: Mountain Pine. Now, uh huh. These trout were small, and

1181
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: the trout truck would open, they'd all pile out, and

1182
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: you catch those, you just pull them over. You gotta

1183
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: have trout stamps, game boardings, watching, it's the whole thing.

1184
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: But this the honey Hole with Johnny Morris, it was

1185
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: like sharks. They were. That's what I think about when

1186
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: you say Alaska, like Alaska fishing, the fishers.

1187
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: There's more room and the trout get huge up there.

1188
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: When we go, you know, end of August first to September.

1189
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: You know, the socc I have all kind of died out.

1190
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: They're the ones you see jumping up the bears or

1191
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: catching in their mouth and whatever. But they're all dying out,

1192
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: and they've all spawned. And those trout have been eating

1193
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: those eggs, you know, the whole season. And they're eight

1194
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: and nine pounds rainbow trout or not uncounting.

1195
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: That's that's a big fish. So okay, I just have

1196
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: a couple more questions for you. What every once in

1197
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: a while whenever. The last night, for example, I was

1198
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: sitting back are on the back porch back area and

1199
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: I was like, dang, look at that. That's pretty cool.

1200
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 2: Like I got a nice how Like I've done some

1201
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: pretty good stuff in my career, and I don't slow

1202
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: down enough, probably to acknowledge that. Now I have a wife,

1203
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: she slows me down sometimes. Do you ever just go dang,

1204
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm famous and rich and I've got lots of songs

1205
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: and it's cool.

1206
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: I quit doing that a while ago.

1207
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: You wake up a month like, oh, good morning, fas

1208
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: this pretty cool. I feel like I would if that

1209
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: was awesome. Yeah.

1210
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, you'd expect me to say

1211
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: all the humble things that you would expect me to say.

1212
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: And that's really the only answers that I have because

1213
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm really not that impressed with myself. Honestly. One thing

1214
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: you learn in Nashville, whatever whatever your dream was here,

1215
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: whatever you hope to accomplish, which for me has been,

1216
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: has really exceeded any reality dreams that I had. You know,

1217
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a dream in your heart, you know,

1218
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: to but that's kind of keeps you going. But to

1219
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: think that, you know, all that stuff would really kind

1220
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: of come true. What I realized that all the things

1221
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: that I do play guitar sing you know, there's people

1222
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: that are so much better at it than me in

1223
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: this town. And if you there's not many people I

1224
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: think that are real with themselves that don't feel that

1225
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: way unless they are really the best singers here, the

1226
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: very best singers here, which I don't think that's necessarily

1227
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 1: my talent. I am. Really I do feel real fortunate

1228
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: that my singing was so bad in the first five

1229
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: years of our career, just because I had just been

1230
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: playing and screaming and bars, you know, and you get

1231
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: on a big stage and I just had no control

1232
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: over my air basically. And I really think talking on

1233
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: the radio for the last seventeen years has really helped me,

1234
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: especially when you're doing a four hour show and you

1235
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: know this forever, you can't just be huffing and puffing

1236
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: the whole time. You've got to find your air somewhere

1237
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: else in order to have any quality of voice. And

1238
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: that started translating into my singing, and it's really made

1239
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: being on stage a lot more fun because I can

1240
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: kind of go through a whole show and feel like,

1241
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was saying pretty good tonight, you know,

1242
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: which I wasn't feeling that way early in our career. Fortunately,

1243
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: I had a great singer standing next to me, so

1244
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, he pulled most of the weight, and in

1245
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: the studio I could do it. But getting on stage

1246
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: bouncing around and start huffing and puffing, it just wasn't

1247
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: very good. So I guess a long answer to a

1248
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: short question is I feel blessed, but I'm very humbled

1249
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: by the success that I've had with I guess what

1250
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: actual ability I do have. I think probably, if anything,

1251
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: I like to think that I've got a good ability

1252
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: to communicate and I'm not intimidated by the stage at all.

1253
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm not that great at it, but I got a

1254
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: lot of confidence. So by the end of the night,

1255
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: I do feel like, you know, that crowd's really on

1256
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: their feet clapping because they had a good time, and

1257
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: I had something to do with it. Why radio, Because

1258
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: I was basically ask again, I'm a communications major, and

1259
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: I always was always a fan of radio, like a

1260
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: lot of people, was always a fan of countdown shows,

1261
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 1: and I kind of played around with it a little

1262
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: bit over the years. When I say played around, was

1263
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: asked to host an overnight show or something here and there,

1264
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of fun to talk and

1265
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, ABC approached me when Bob Kingsley, you know,

1266
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: and then got sideways, and Bob was one of my

1267
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: dearest friends. Was the first person I called and said, hey,

1268
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, I said that, you know, you're maybe sideways

1269
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: on your deal and you're going to do your own thing.

1270
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: I said, I would never even try stepping into your

1271
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: shoes without your blessing. And he said, man, I think

1272
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: you can do this. I think it'll be great at it.

1273
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: And it was such an opener, you know. I mean,

1274
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: I'm used to listening to myself singing going that sucks

1275
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: and trying to make it better. But when I started

1276
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: air checking myself on the radio, I was so bad.

1277
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: Just everything I thought I was doing good sucked. And

1278
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess part of just being able to

1279
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: notice that and not thinking you're doing great when you're

1280
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: not kind of helped me get to a level I

1281
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: couldn't believe they didn't fire me. For the first couple

1282
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: of years.

1283
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: It was just really.

1284
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: Awful, but you know, a lot of affiliates hung in

1285
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: there and whatever and whatever reason. I mean, at least

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Speaker 1: I can listen to myself now and I really enjoy

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Speaker 1: doing it. It doesn't wear me. It used to take me

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01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: hours and hours to do that countdown show, and now

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, just you know, getting through the copy. I

1290
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Speaker 1: really kind of enjoy it and love my team, and

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Speaker 1: I would imagine you feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. Do you do it from home?

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Speaker 1: No, I have done it from home during COVID, you

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Speaker 1: know I did it. We all worked remotely like a

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01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of other people. But I built a studio down

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Speaker 1: in the old RCA building and you know, the original

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Speaker 1: RCAA building and right across from Chad Atkins office. And

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Speaker 1: it's cool. It's all like turn of the century, I mean,

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01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: mid century furniture and everything. It's real quirky, and I

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01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: like going down there. I like hanging out. We talk

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01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: about the business, what's going on whatever, even not stuff

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01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: that's on the air. But it also gets me in

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: the mood to do the show. And when bits come up,

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01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think about, well, you know, that's cool.

1305
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: But you know, when we did that, I try not

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01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: to do that very much. You know, I did learn

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: of Yeah, I got sent to interviews school back when

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01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, Disney owned ESPN. So I don't know if

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: you've ever done that.

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 2: But interview school. Yeah, no, I need to go.

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: One of the most amazing things that I've ever done.

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01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: But what do you do? What do you do in interview

1313
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: school for two weeks?

1314
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: This guy from Canada who is really good at it.

1315
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: We listen to all the great interviews of all time

1316
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: and where even the people that are considered the greats,

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01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, like Larry King and Barbara Walters in particular,

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: here's the mistakes they made. Here's where this could have

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01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: been world changing. But here's you know a lot of things,

1320
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: simple things like double barrel questions if you know, and

1321
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: you see a lot of local newspeople ask five questions

1322
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: to somebody. You know, when the tornado came through, what'd

1323
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 1: that sound like? I mean, did everybody run for cover?

1324
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: It's like, was it did it tear the top off

1325
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: the house? You know? So which in that kind of question,

1326
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't really matter that much, but when

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01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: you're really trying to get to the bottom of something,

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01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: And of course with sports guys, they don't want to

1329
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: talk anyway. They just want to do that. They want

1330
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: to compete, you know, it's what they're doing. And our business,

1331
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, we love talking about ourselves. I mean, that's

1332
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: just that's where we come from. So you don't have

1333
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: to ask much of a question to pull my string.

1334
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: And you know, you got to shut me down at

1335
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: some point and ask another question. But in that world,

1336
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: it was really interesting just to get some basic tools.

1337
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: If you'd like to get an answer to something, ask

1338
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: that one question at a time, and the people that

1339
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: were really good at it, or people would ask a

1340
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: question and wait, because that's where Barbara Walter is one

1341
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: of the things as good as she was, like she asked.

1342
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: She asked Teddy Kennedy. She got the interview after he

1343
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: was accused of cheating on his wife, and her first question,

1344
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: did you cheat on your wife? How will the Kennedy

1345
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: survive this bang? He's a smart guy, guyes well, you know,

1346
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: Kennedy's have made it through thick and thin and da

1347
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: da da dad. She asked him, you know, ten questions,

1348
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: but never never stuck with did you cheat on your wife?

1349
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 1: Just there was it's almost kind of like a you know,

1350
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: and I can't. You know, Barbara Walters is a legend,

1351
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: did tons of great interviews and whatever, but he just

1352
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: gave us examples of you know, if you if you

1353
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: want an answer, to something wait for the answer.

1354
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 2: You know, my favorite thing to do is to sit

1355
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: in silence because and I can't do this to you

1356
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: because you know all you know the tricks. But if

1357
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm with someone, I don't mind awkward. So if I'm

1358
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: with someone and let's say you're John Smith, I'm interviewing,

1359
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: I'll just if I ask a question and then I'll

1360
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: just sit and then you'll feel the need to fill

1361
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: time because you'll feel awkward. And so what happens is

1362
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: people will just start giving the greatest answers because I've

1363
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 2: sat in silence for a few seconds. But you're so

1364
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 2: comfortable with yourself. I can't use those tricks on you

1365
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: because you're just staring back at me, like, all right,

1366
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: what you got next? What you got next? But that's

1367
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 2: that's pretty cool that you went and you just got

1368
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: to watch all the greats I had to go to

1369
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: like the library, watch the old those old movie I

1370
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: forget what I've watched, like old Jack Parr Tonight Show episode,

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01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: What was that thing called that you talk about the

1372
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: black and white machine? But I would do that and

1373
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: then I would watch. Then YouTube changed everything, so now

1374
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: you just watch it. I just watched all my old

1375
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: interviews and go, that's what I want to do, just

1376
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,479
Speaker 2: like that guy. I'm my own hero. It's pretty cool.

1377
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. Well, look, I'm super pumped. He came over.

1378
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: I was talking to Mike and I was like, Hey,

1379
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: what what can we promote of Kises? And what he

1380
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: literally said was we'd been working on getting you for

1381
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: a while that there was really nothing to promote. We

1382
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: were just happy you were coming over. So thank you

1383
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 2: for coming over. You bet, We'm glad we got to

1384
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 2: visit aal Yeah, me too. Are you guys gonna do that?

1385
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: Are you guy gonna go out again? You're gonna do

1386
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: a whole tour Brooks and Dune massive tour.

1387
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Speaker 1: Let's go. I mean, I don't see why we wouldn't.

1388
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 2: Really when you finished, were like I can't wait to

1389
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: go out again in a few months. Or you're like,

1390
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: oh my god, I need a break. We'll figure that

1391
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: out the rest of it late.

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: Really, you know, we did nineteen shows with Scotty and

1393
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: Megan Marony and that's you know, people go, gosh, it

1394
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: must be crueling, you know. I mean, like, you never

1395
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: worked on a pipeline, you never stood Wyte deep in

1396
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: mud with his shovel from candle Cane and my dad

1397
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: he would always find the hardest, roughest job that that

1398
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: was on the pipeline, and there's some really dangerous, really

1399
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: bad jobs out there. He had me. I mean, I

1400
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: had a chainsaw cutting sixteen hundred railroad ties a day

1401
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: at one point. I mean, I'm pretty good at sharpening

1402
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: the chainsaw. I'm keeping that.

1403
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: Sucker gave you the gift of perspective. Yeah, Absence, you

1404
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: didn't know what the kind of invaluable the gift was

1405
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 2: going to be at the time. That's like me, I

1406
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: roof houses forever, and I didn't mean it's on golf

1407
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 2: courses and I was like this sucks. But now it's

1408
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 2: like I just appreciate everything. You roofed houses.

1409
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, pred dude.

1410
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: So I built some stuff, folks. Oh Man started off

1411
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: his tearoff crew. First of all, clean up crew, then

1412
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: tear off crew. Then after a while, I figured how

1413
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: to fix a nail gun. So they let me actually

1414
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: use it because I was all, way, you can't use it.

1415
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's a compression guns like oh, and so

1416
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 2: I figured how to fix it. And so once I

1417
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 2: fixed it, they knew I could use it. So then

1418
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: I started actually roofing houses. All right, Bobby, you got crid,

1419
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 2: no cry no, no crid.

1420
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 1: If you were on a freaking roof, roof and houses,

1421
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: you got my respect, dude. Roofs and draw wall. Anybody

1422
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: that's done either one of those for any length of time.

1423
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 2: And see we had sea walls too, got credit. Seawalls

1424
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: sucks to seawalls? Which fine? Are you on the lake

1425
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: in river in Arkansas? We would go and we would

1426
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: do bids. We'd drive the flat bottom down what lake

1427
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: Lake Hamilton? Okay, so we'd go down Lake Hamilton and

1428
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: we'd look people seawalls. They had a crack, we'd go

1429
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: knock on the door and be like, there's a cracker

1430
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: in a seawall. We'd make a bit and if they

1431
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: were like, okay, cool, we'd go there's heavy buckets. It

1432
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: was just but again that perspective. Yeah, here we are

1433
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: sit a nice air condition room with your big faith

1434
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 2: right here behind me, go celebrating the day.

1435
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 1: And I went to Ozark Boys Camp for like five years.

1436
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: What'd you do there? Mount not Arkansas mount that is

1437
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes from Mountain Pine. They were our main

1438
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: rival yeah, oh high school. Yeah, I'll be yea very close,

1439
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 2: very close one from what'd I do?

1440
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1441
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: What do you do there? At that camp?

1442
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: Everything? You know? They had a one of those things

1443
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: you had a skis that were bolted together with roller

1444
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 1: skates on it. One of those lines that went down

1445
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: until you smashed into the water down there, rope swings.

1446
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: They had a little golf course. There had a baseball

1447
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 1: golf field and do our golf.

1448
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, I don't know you golf.

1449
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a member at a troubadoor and golf, Yeah,

1450
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: golf club at Tennessee.

1451
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 2: Let those who are nowhere near each other. You're driving

1452
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: all across the state to get both of those.

1453
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: You know. That's well. You know, I've got a winery

1454
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: that backs up to tribute door.

1455
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 2: That's true.

1456
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: See, well, that's my ambition is to be able to

1457
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: play golf in the evening, drink all night, play golf

1458
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: in the morning, and ever leave the campus.

1459
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: See. But I feel like you're almost there anyway, almost

1460
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: there if you're a tributor and you have the winery

1461
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: inns when I'm talking, Yeah, but do you live over there?

1462
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: No? I live in Forest Hills. That's what my wife said,

1463
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: do you really need another house? And absolutely.

1464
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 2: All right, Kicks. Thanks, I really appreciate the time there

1465
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 2: is Kicksbrooks, go get some wine. Everybody get get on

1466
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: kickspit on a tab. Thanks for listening to a Bobby

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01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,559
Speaker 2: Cast production