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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hammer Territory podcast. My name is Sean Covid.

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Speaker 1: Hope wherever you are and wherever you were listening, you're

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Speaker 1: having a great into your Tuesday start to your Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Pleasure to be back with you. Hammer Territory is obviously

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Speaker 1: the Braves podcast is a part of the Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: family of podcasts, and as always with me as fellow

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Speaker 1: podcast co hosts, Steven Toalvert. Steven, it's been a little

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Speaker 1: while since we talked. The last time I heard you talking,

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Speaker 1: you were having a great conversation and some good laughs

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Speaker 1: with Mark Momen at MLB dot com.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, Sean.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be back on with you, buddy, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: we had a good We had a fun conversation and

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Speaker 3: Mark about a week ago, or yeah, about five or

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Speaker 3: six days ago. So if you didn't he missed that episode,

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Speaker 3: that's about two episodes ago. Mark was gracious enough to

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Speaker 3: gracious enough to give us about twenty five minutes and

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Speaker 3: we had a good conversation.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's good to be back on.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, since the last time you and I have talked,

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Speaker 3: and since the weekend, the Braids have gotten a couple

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Speaker 3: of wins in a row. It's always much more fun

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Speaker 3: to do these after wins. We're gonna jump into it

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Speaker 3: obviously with this episode, but it's always good to talk

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Speaker 3: to you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's plenty of good stuff to talk about. A

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Speaker 1: bit of a scary moment in the game with Sean Murphy.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that a little bit later on the episode.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like initial reports are positive, but of

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Speaker 1: course you can find myself at Stat's sac on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: Steven at be inter Score Outliers the show at Hammer

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Speaker 1: Territory across all Forbes of social media, and of course

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Speaker 1: at Foul Territory across all Forbes of social media as well.

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Speaker 1: But Steven, it's no surprise what we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about to start off this show. It's what we consistently

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Speaker 1: start off the show with more often than not, much

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Speaker 1: more often than not. It is a very good to

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Speaker 1: dominant pitching performance. And right now, Steven, just to be

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Speaker 1: honest with you, there are not many pitchers who are

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Speaker 1: more dominant right now than Max Spreed. Though he gave

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Speaker 1: up three runs a career high thirteen strikeouts over seven eights.

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Speaker 1: It gets bosted tonight and The big thing is is

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Speaker 1: that even those three runs, they you know, they were

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Speaker 1: a lucky home run and they were a well placed,

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Speaker 1: soft hit ball. But we've always talked about Max Freed

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Speaker 1: being able to get grounders. But the strikeouts tonight were

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Speaker 1: what stood out only the fifth double digit strikeout performance

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Speaker 1: of his career. But Dave O'Brian of The Athletic put

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Speaker 1: the numbers into real good context. Over his past eight starts,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven e'dings a one point five to seventy fifty

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Speaker 1: I believe fifty eight strikeouts, fifty five strikeouts something like

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Speaker 1: that to fifteen walks. I haven't looked up the numbers directly,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's a far stretch to say

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Speaker 1: this is one of the more dominant stretches that we've

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Speaker 1: seen Max Spreed in his Braves career, and it could

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Speaker 1: not have come in a better He is absolutely odd

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Speaker 1: point with his game from May down to Gue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been it's been incredible.

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Speaker 3: You know, I had that really rough start to the year,

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Speaker 3: just a couple of bad starts, and you know, the

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Speaker 3: offense kind of picked him up, and honestly, as soon

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Speaker 3: as the offense started struggling, kind of there in mid

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Speaker 3: to late April. Obviously, all the way through May and

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Speaker 3: now going to June, Max has been arguably the best

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Speaker 3: player on the team. I mean him and Chris Sale

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Speaker 3: probably been going back and forth with Marcelo Zunou for

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Speaker 3: the best player on the team.

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Speaker 2: So it's been incredible.

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Speaker 3: Tonight was you know, last time you and I talked,

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Speaker 3: I think we talked about Max, and you know, I

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Speaker 3: made the comment that he's he's actually striking out a

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Speaker 3: lot fewer guys this year than he has in the past,

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Speaker 3: but he was getting a ton of ground balls to

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Speaker 3: kind of make up for it. Like I think that's

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Speaker 3: a conversation you and I had, and you know, so

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Speaker 3: it was funny tonight to see thirteen strikeouts and seven

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Speaker 3: a you know, a kind of a Fenway Park comer

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Speaker 3: like he was ever hit hard. It's got a three

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Speaker 3: huge strikeout season for him, but he had everything going

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Speaker 3: to night. He was being he was able to backdoor

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Speaker 3: the fastball looked good. His command was just on point

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Speaker 3: all night. Obviously it's got to be when you strike

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Speaker 3: out thirteen guys. So yeah, fantastic performance from him. It's just,

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Speaker 3: you know, I know people don't want to talk about it,

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Speaker 3: but you know it, it feels like I talked about

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Speaker 2: For Max.

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Speaker 3: This feels like it's gonna be the last year that

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Speaker 3: every time we watch one of these, it's even a

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Speaker 3: this year is probably going to be the last, the

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Speaker 3: last dance with Max, and he's been incredible and the

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Speaker 3: Braves have needed every single one of them because you know,

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Speaker 3: like we said, the offense has really been struggling in

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Speaker 3: all through May, and obviously they you know, they've shown

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Speaker 3: some life here at the last three or four games,

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Speaker 3: so you know, obviously the calendar turned to June, so

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Speaker 3: that usually does it for them. But yeah, they've needed

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Speaker 3: Max to be unbelievable. And after that shaky start, you know,

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Speaker 3: as dominant as we've seen him, even when those three

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Speaker 3: runs as dominants I've ever seen him. Tonight just blowing

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Speaker 3: guys way with incredible curve balls, incredible sliders, well located fastballs.

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Speaker 3: He looked as good as I've ever seen him tonight.

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Speaker 1: So the good thing is Steven, is that the Braves

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Speaker 1: have now their first now won two of three games

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Speaker 1: in June, so hopefully this is the start of another

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Speaker 1: June swig. And they got this road trip off to

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Speaker 1: a good start with the win in Boston. But the

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Speaker 1: next ten days, but they're not going to be the

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Speaker 1: only Woods on the road to five, correct, Steven, You're

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Speaker 1: about to take a fun trip here over the next

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Speaker 1: few days yourself, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: We're going to about to fly out to DC on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: We're going to the Friday game in DC and the

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Speaker 3: the Tuesday game in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So the great thing is is that for anybody

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Speaker 1: get a win on the field on Tuesday. And before

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Speaker 1: the one negative that came from Tuesday, and that of

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Speaker 1: literally a week since coming back. Of course as Minidos.

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Speaker 1: but inditional reports it seems just The Toscato of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Jurnal Constitution reported that it seemed like x razor negative.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was disgusting.

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Speaker 3: I have never seen somebody get hit like that and

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Speaker 3: that was obviously very scary considering you know, the injury

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Speaker 3: stuff that Sean has dealt with as well. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: So we'll see very I'm I'm almost positive he won't

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Speaker 3: the big thing because you know, you can't go into

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Speaker 3: gonna be to see what happens. But yeah, initial x

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Speaker 2: Need of a break.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's had some rotten luck in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: the Second, who seems to definitely have improved, you know,

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Speaker 1: his production now that he's part of the leadoff DUBO

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Speaker 1: without Ronald Accooney Junior. And one particular thing that stands

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Speaker 1: out for the brais lot up as a whole. They

437
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Speaker 1: seem to be doing a better job of getting the

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Speaker 1: ball in the air. They're consistently making nearly the same

439
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Speaker 1: hard contact, but it's not all a ground. You've seen

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Speaker 1: an uptick in the amount of balls that are in

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Speaker 1: the air, which typically leads to better results. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying in any way, shape or form that this

443
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Speaker 1: offense is back where we need for it to be,

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Speaker 1: but we're seeing incremental improvements that hopefully will continue as

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Speaker 1: we get into June.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had they had a pretty bad case of

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Speaker 3: you know, ground ball itis for the first really the

448
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Speaker 3: first two months. But you know, probably more accurately, probably

449
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Speaker 3: like the first six weeks, we've definitely started seeing them

450
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Speaker 3: get the ball in the air more, you know it.

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Speaker 3: You know, the narrative kind of changed from so many

452
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Speaker 3: groundballs to so many balls in the air that were

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Speaker 3: you know, calt just in front of the warning track

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Speaker 3: or barrel to outs, you know.

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Speaker 2: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But getting the ball in the air is definitely an improvement.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Braves do have some guys on their

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Speaker 3: team that struggle with that. You know, our is one

459
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Speaker 3: of the heaviest groundball hitters in baseball. Michael Harris is

460
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Speaker 3: one of the heaviest groundball hitters in baseball. You know,

461
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Speaker 3: Riley can go through a stretch. Acun you can go

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Speaker 3: through stretches. So they do have guys where, you know,

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Speaker 3: it is a thing they fight, and so it's not surprising.

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Speaker 3: But you know, from I think most people know by

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Speaker 3: now that you know, ground balls are where offense goes

466
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Speaker 3: to die. You know, just like obviously we talked about

467
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Speaker 3: with Max Freed, if you can't get strikeouts, the next

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Speaker 3: best thing is ground balls.

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Speaker 2: Well, if it's a good thing for the picture.

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Speaker 3: Then it's obviously a very bad thing for the hitters.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, hitting the ball in the air.

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Speaker 3: You know, tonight against Boston we saw Ozzy Alwy's you know,

473
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Speaker 3: Park one, he crushed the ball to right center field,

474
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Speaker 3: which is no easy place to get a ball out

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Speaker 3: in fenway.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: We saw our cee go the other way and it

478
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Speaker 3: went out to right field, again, not an easy thing

479
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Speaker 3: to do for a right handed hitter. We saw kel

480
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Speaker 3: Nick double, Ozzie had a double. You know, just guys

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Speaker 3: hitting the ball hard in the air. And that's you know,

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Speaker 3: I know, people get mad when you talk about batted

483
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Speaker 3: ball data and exit velocity and expected numbers, But like

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Speaker 3: this stuff correlates to offense very well. And we have

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Speaker 3: enough data and data over the last just about a

486
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Speaker 3: decade now of stat cast being out where we know

487
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Speaker 3: that this stuff leads to runs. Like it's it's correlated

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Speaker 3: very strongly that hitting the ball hard, hitting the ball

489
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Speaker 3: in the air, you know, barrels, that stuff leads to runs.

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Speaker 3: And you do that, you do that long enough, you're.

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Speaker 2: Going to be a good offensive team.

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Speaker 3: And so it's been good to see, even if the

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Speaker 3: results haven't always been there, the offense has definitely coming.

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Speaker 2: You know, with Michael, he's still chasing too much.

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Speaker 3: You know, he had that two walk game he gets

496
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Speaker 3: Washington last week and it looked like maybe, you know,

497
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Speaker 3: being leadoff guy, would would kind of flip him around.

498
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Speaker 3: I don't think he's had an actual walk since he

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Speaker 3: I know he had that intentional walk against Oakland, which

500
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Speaker 3: was wild. I've never seen somebody intentionally walk. Michael Harris

501
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Speaker 3: to pitch to Austin Riley, but you know, I still

502
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Speaker 3: need to see see him take more pitches. You know,

503
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Speaker 3: he gets pitched out of the zone so much. He's

504
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Speaker 3: got to learn how to take those. But when he's

505
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Speaker 3: been hitting the ball, when he's been swinging at pitches

506
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Speaker 3: in the zone and making contact, his contact has been better.

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Speaker 2: That is one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been good to see the whole lineup.

509
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Speaker 3: You're still kind of waiting on Austin a little bit.

510
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Speaker 3: Obviously he's coming back from that injury, so it's gonna

511
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Speaker 3: take him a minute. But yeah, the there's more than

512
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Speaker 3: one guy swinging well, which is what it was for.

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Speaker 3: You know, the first six weeks of the year was

514
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Speaker 3: just Marcello's inn and no one else. You know, Now

515
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Speaker 3: there seems to be you know, four or five guys

516
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Speaker 3: who were swinging it decently well where you've got a

517
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Speaker 3: real chance to score a decent amount every night.

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Speaker 2: So that's good to see. It's progress. It's June. Hopefully

519
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Speaker 2: we put.

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Speaker 3: All that behind us and we can kind of continue

521
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Speaker 3: the rest of the year with at least part of

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Speaker 3: the offense that we thought we'd see in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: And another great development is the fact that on Sunday

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Speaker 1: we had three hits with rudders at the cory position

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Speaker 1: and we won the game. Tonight we had three hits

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Speaker 1: with rudders at the cory position and we won the game.

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Speaker 1: That is great to see you back to the back

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Speaker 1: and without a doubt, it clearly could be a boost

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, a few other fun things that occurred earlier

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Speaker 1: this week that I want to get your thoughts on,

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Speaker 1: you know, where the fact that you know you talked

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Speaker 1: about and I think it was a great point earlier

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Speaker 1: in the season that the Braves had done a really

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Speaker 1: they had put a really concentrated effort on getting as

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Speaker 1: kind of at the Triple A level, to be able

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Speaker 1: to support their major league staff, you know, with all

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Speaker 1: the injuries that they went through last year. Unfortunately, we've

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Speaker 1: seen some of those Triple A pitchers not have the

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Speaker 1: best of seasons. We did see A J. Smith Shauber,

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Speaker 1: who of course had the injury, Spencer Strider who's had

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Speaker 1: the injury. Thankfully, besides Spencer Strider, all three of our

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Speaker 1: other main stalwarts in our rotation have had good health

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Speaker 1: and pretty good results, and yes we're trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out that fifth starter spot, but overall, I'd say the

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Speaker 1: Braves have had some pretty good production when it comes

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Speaker 1: to their pitching this year, both in the major and

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Speaker 1: minor leagues, and a couple of developments that we saw

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Speaker 1: earlier this week. Chris Sale won the May NL Pitcher

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Speaker 1: of the Month with an outstanding month that he had

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Speaker 1: in the historical month in terms of recent history that

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Speaker 1: he had, but also top prospect Hurston Waldrip actually was

586
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Speaker 1: promoted to Triple A. He had eleven strikeouts into triple

587
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Speaker 1: A debut was a part of Keith Low's Top fifty

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Speaker 1: that was just released as well. I find that significant

589
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Chris Sale and Hurston Waldrip because

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Speaker 1: we let off the show talking about Max Freed, the

591
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Speaker 1: fact that this may be his swan song. He may

592
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Speaker 1: continue to price himself out of Atlanta. But it's great

593
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Speaker 1: to see at the major league level Chris Sale and

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Speaker 1: in the minor league level Hurston Waldrip have this success

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Speaker 1: that they had so far this season because both of them,

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Speaker 1: especially of Freed, leaves both of them with the returning

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Speaker 1: Spencer Strider, could be huge parts of our rotation over

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Speaker 1: the next few years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, uh Waldrop he got you know, he

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Speaker 3: had a he had a rough start to the year.

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Speaker 3: I think he got lit up in the first game

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Speaker 3: of the year, maybe the first two games of the year,

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Speaker 3: not unlike Max free and honestly, and then since then

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Speaker 3: it has been lights out and that's what earned him

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Speaker 3: a promotion to Triple A.

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Speaker 2: Went up to Triple A.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was kind of a microcosm of his season. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: that first game he gave up a double and a

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Speaker 3: home run in the first two batters he faced, and

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Speaker 3: then he just dominated from there. He had eleven strikeouts.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, he's got one of the nastiest splitters

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Speaker 3: you'll ever see from a prospect. It is one of

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Speaker 3: the best pitches in all of baseball in terms of

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Speaker 3: spin rates and stuff. You know, especially in the minors

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Speaker 3: where he's at right now, but even you know, it

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Speaker 3: compares to some of the best splitters and and in

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Speaker 3: the majors at.

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 3: So in stat cast, you know, uh, Savon has all

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Speaker 3: the tracking data and Triple A now, so we can

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Speaker 3: track that stuff at Triple A. Mean, he's just he's

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Speaker 3: really good. He's really talented. He's a pitcher, so anything

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Speaker 3: can happen. You know, every possibility is is is open

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Speaker 3: in terms of his career. But he's incredibly talented. I'm

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Speaker 3: almost certain we will see him in Atlanta at some point.

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Speaker 3: Obviously they've been using Spencer swelling back and he'll he'll

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Speaker 3: get another start tomorrow and we'll.

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Speaker 2: See how he does. He's also one of the braves

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Speaker 2: top top prospects. A just Mims.

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Speaker 3: Shauber came up and looked a lot better in his

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Speaker 3: first start. He had a unfortunately he got out of

632
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Speaker 3: oblique injury, so he's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Out a while.

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Speaker 3: But that's another name for the future, you know. So

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Speaker 3: the Braves do have some They've got talent. You know,

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Speaker 3: people talk about their farm system. You know, it's not

637
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Speaker 3: the best farm system world, but it's not devoid of talent.

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Speaker 3: That there's some there's some high level arms down there,

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Speaker 3: not as much on the position player side, but there's

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Speaker 3: some high level arms down there that could develop into

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Speaker 3: two serious weapons for you. So and then with Chris

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Speaker 3: Sale obviously you know, of course he was gonna win

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Speaker 3: pitcher the month to give out like two runs in

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Speaker 3: the entire month. He pitched five games and gave up

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Speaker 3: two runs total. So he was a he was dynamic.

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Speaker 3: Its good as I've ever seen. He looked like a

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Speaker 3: vintage Chris Sale. Obviously, had a rough first start in June.

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Speaker 3: He gave up more runs in the first inning of

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Speaker 3: June than he gave up in the entire month of July.

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Speaker 3: L right, the entire month of May. So but that's baseball,

651
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: and that's how that's how it goes. But yeah, he's

652
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: been phenomenal. Just gotta get him healthy or keep him healthy.

653
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: That's what we were talking about before, just getting get

654
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: him to October healthy. And I like the Braves chances

655
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: if him and Max Freed are pitching pitching well in October,

656
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: the Braves can beat anybody, literally, anybody in baseball. They

657
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: can beat anybody with those two guys and a really

658
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: good bullpen. And you know, Alex is gonna add, you know,

659
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: between now and then before we get there, so he's

660
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 3: gonna add somewhere either to the rotation of the bullpen.

661
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: He always does, so that's coming as well. But yeah,

662
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 3: if the Braves get those two guys to October, you

663
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: know herssel Waldrup could player a role.

664
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Speaker 2: Who knows. We'll see what goes. You know, it's a

665
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 2: long season. Anything can happen.

666
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, those guys are gonna be massive for the

667
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: Brazen and the Braids get the Braves, get Max Freed.

668
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Chris sailed October. Uh, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

669
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so you know, of course it's gonna be fun,

670
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: you know as well. Now October still is four months away,

671
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: but it's really fun to think about the possibilities if

672
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: Freed and Sell are close then to the levels that

673
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: they are now. But we talk about the success of

674
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Hurst and Waldrop, and of course, you know, we also

675
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: talk about Spencer Swellabok. He'll be making his second major

676
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: league start for the Braves in Boston on Wednesday, going

677
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: against Nick Pavetta. The Braves have the opportunity to, you know,

678
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: for the second time this season, sweep a two game

679
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: series against Boston would be a big boost for them

680
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: to get started on this road trip. But Jeff Facade

681
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: ESPN came out, and you know he typically does this

682
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: around early June every year, just given kind of an

683
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: early early synopsis of where the trade market may be

684
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: and what he reported on the Brave. Steven was that

685
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: nothing specific, but he basically reported, you know that, you know,

686
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: some around baseball field. While the light up may seem

687
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: to be the obvious route, Alex and Toopoless could go

688
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: to try to get some type depth. With Ronald accouna

689
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: junior no longer available in this season, it seems like

690
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: many expect that there could be some type of regression

691
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Braves overall performance, you know,

692
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: maybe from Chris Sale, maybe from Bernald Lopez. And that's fine.

693
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: We've said that that likely could be the case. We

694
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: hopefully won't see it to the level that it was

695
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: in Sales last start. But the point that I'm getting

696
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: at is is that even if that regression comes on,

697
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: I think to your point is that we kind of

698
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: gotten past a tough start to the season for some

699
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: of our pitchers. Going back to your point about that

700
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: depth shining through, I think that the Braves are going

701
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: to be in a good position when it comes to

702
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: their pitching depth where even if there are some regression

703
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: that's going to happen, they may be able to skip

704
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: a start, or they may be able to you know,

705
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: push back a start for one day. How the Braves

706
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: manage their staff will really be helpful to keep arms fresh.

707
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: And if Spencer Swellabat can put together another performance he

708
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: may be an option for this rotation into the near

709
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: future as well. So that pitching depth, I think is

710
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: going to continue to be a good as sit for

711
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: the Braves as we go along to if there is

712
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: regression that occurs, we could keep some of these are

713
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: fresh to keep them effective as well.

714
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that.

715
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: I disagree with Poissan's I disagree with his conclusion. I

716
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: don't you shouldn't. A good rule of thumb for the

717
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: trade deadline is you should never expect your team to

718
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 3: trade for a starting pitcher because starting pitchers are the

719
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: most expensive things, you know, by a mile to acquire,

720
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 3: because there's so few of them out there. You know,

721
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: with expanded playoffs, there's fewer sellers and more buyers than

722
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: there's ever been, so that just drives the price up

723
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: even more. There's usually like two or three good starters

724
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: on bad teams. Everybody wants to you know, those guys,

725
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: there's only a couple of them, and there's you know,

726
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: you know, damn near twenty teams buying at that point,

727
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: Like you should never ever expect your team to go

728
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: get a starter. And I remember in twenty twenty, the

729
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: Brace had one starter, they had Max Freed, and then

730
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: they just pieced it together with everybody else and everybody

731
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: was like, you know, Alex is gonna go get a

732
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: start at the deadline. Alex is gonna get a start

733
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: at the deadline. And the deadline came and went, Alex

734
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: did not get a starter because they're they're so expensive

735
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: to get, they're almost impossible to get at the deadline.

736
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: You know, That's why you build up your depth in

737
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: the offseason. That's why you have, you know, tons of

738
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 3: pitching prospects. That's why you have tons of guys at

739
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: Triple A, because that's that's gonna be the main source

740
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: of your pitching for most of the season. Now you

741
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: can go get bullpen help. Bullpenhelp is a lot easier

742
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: to get because there's a ton of good relievers. You know,

743
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: even bad teams have good relievers. You know, relievers, offensive weapons, outfielders.

744
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: You know, that stuff is very easy to get. It's

745
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: it's it's usually pretty cheap, it's pretty abundant. That's where

746
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: you know, if I'm advising Braves fans to what to expect.

747
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 3: I do not expect a starter. You should not expect

748
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: a starter. I think Alex will get a reliever, and

749
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: I think you'll get an outfielder, because most of the

750
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: time Alex gets a reliever and he gets an outfielder

751
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: of some sort.

752
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: So that's what I expect. It's very hard to get pitching.

753
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: The break have a lot of pitching, you know, in

754
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: the miners right now, and they still got Ian Anderson

755
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: coming back at some point. You know, technically they have

756
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: five healthy starters right now in the rotation.

757
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: They've got some.

758
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: Top prospects, so you know, the the rotation depth is

759
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: gonna come from the miners. But you know, the Braids

760
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: will probably go get an outfielder. They'll probably get a reliever,

761
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 3: and those are just you know, they're just so cheap

762
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: to get.

763
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: You don't have to.

764
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 3: The Braves don't have a lot in their system in

765
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 3: terms of currency in trades and what they do have,

766
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: they certainly don't want to give up. So you know,

767
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: that's where you should That's where Brace fans should be expecting.

768
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: Should be a reliever that's not going to cost a lot.

769
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: I think Pierce Johnson from last year an outfielder that's

770
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: not going to cost a lot, you know, thank Jorges Hilaire,

771
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: Jack Peterson from a couple of years ago.

772
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's kind of Alex's emo.

773
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: Takes some guys that maybe aren't having the best years

774
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: that you think you can do something with, and he's

775
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 3: had a pretty good track record of it. So that's

776
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: what I expect in twenty twenty four.

777
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: And the track record speaks to this, right Like I know,

778
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: everybody remembers in terms of the quantity of activity of

779
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: the fact that they got so much value out of

780
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: the you know, marginal pieces that they added, the depth

781
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: pieces that they added in twenty twenty one in all

782
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: the outfielders. But if you recall, perhaps the biggest trade

783
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: deadline that Alexanthopolis has had in his time as the

784
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: Braves GM was twenty eighteen, if I remember he serves

785
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: me correctly, that year he got Kevin Gosman in a

786
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: four for one trade with Baltimore. And that's also the

787
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: year that he got Adam Devall in his first you

788
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: know stretch as a Brave And of course we know

789
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: that Davaul has been here now I think three different times.

790
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: You know has remained you know, a focal point of

791
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: the Braves when it comes to their outfield depth. But

792
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Kevin Gosman came in, he didn't do all that well

793
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: with the Braves. He wound up, I believe, being traded

794
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, or maybe maybe not Cincinnati, but he wound

795
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: up being you know, either traded away or non tendered.

796
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: And of course he figured out, you know, how to

797
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: become you know, one of the best teachers in baseball

798
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: after that. But the point that I'm getting at Steven

799
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: is that he has one time. You know, we always

800
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: knew he went after the starting pitching with Toronto, but

801
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: he did it early in his career with it, but

802
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: he kind of figured out that, you know what, I

803
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: want value when it comes to my move. See always

804
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: wants value when it comes to his moves, and it's

805
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: just hard to find that value for starting pitchers. And

806
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: that's why since twenty eighteen you haven't really seen him

807
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: go after you know, a day value starting pitcher.

808
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, go back and look at twenty twenty one.

809
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: Go look at the names he gave up for Adam

810
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 3: Devall and Eddie Rizzario and Jock Peterson and Jorge Hilaire,

811
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: I mean, very very little names you never heard of

812
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: before that day, just because you don't have to give

813
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 3: up a lot. Now it is a little bit harder

814
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: now with expanded playoffs. Again, there are fewer sellers, so

815
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: just any trade is more difficult than it was even

816
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 3: two years ago. But alfielders are are always going to

817
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: be in full supply. Relievers are always going to be

818
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: in full supply. You know, there's gonna be a guy,

819
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, Pierce Johnson had a six e r a

820
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: last year with the Colorado and the Braves felt like

821
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: they got him out of Colorado, that curve ball would

822
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: work better, you know, they would get some you know,

823
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 3: some extra value. And obviously a guy with a six

824
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: cyra you're not gonna you're not gonna trade much to

825
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: get him.

826
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: You know.

827
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: JORGEZ Hilaire was having the one of the worst years

828
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: of his career when the Braves traded for him in

829
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: Kansas City, and he obviously came and helped the Brais

830
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: win the World Series. So that's like, that's what he does.

831
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: That's that's what Alex and his team do. They look

832
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: for guys who have, you know, maybe aren't having the

833
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: best years in terms of results, but you know, just

834
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: beneath the results, there's some intrigue and there's some extra

835
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 3: value to be had there.

836
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: And you know, when you don't.

837
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: Have one of the best farm systems in baseball, that's

838
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: what you have to do because you're not gonna win

839
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: a bidding war with any of the top guys. You know,

840
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: everybody can outbid you in terms of prospects. So yeah,

841
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: as we move into trade season and we'll we'll obviously

842
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 3: talk a lot more about this as it gets more

843
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 3: into it and we get some actual you know, intel

844
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: and rumors and stuff. But as we kind of take

845
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 3: our first step into trade season, it is a good primer.

846
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: It's a good do not.

847
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: Expect the braves to get a starter. Don't even really

848
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: expect the brains to go get somebody having a monster year.

849
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: They're gonna pay you know, top, you know, top prospect

850
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 3: costs for you know, look, there's gonna be some some

851
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: diamonds in the rough that Alex is looking for.

852
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: That's what he always looks for, and that's what I

853
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: expect again this.

854
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: Year, absolutely, and that's what makes it so exciting, especially

855
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: if we can get back into our witty ways and

856
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 1: you know, be able to really you make the most

857
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: of the month of Jude like we have over the

858
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: past few years. But Steven, as we wrap up this

859
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: edition of the Hamber Territory Podcast, anything else that you

860
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: have for us. As we got the final game of

861
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: this series, it gets posted and hopefully you can get

862
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: another sweep of the Red Sox.

863
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be great sweet, you know, for sweep

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