Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't interest. You never know stories of
Speaker 1: things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hi
Speaker 1: there everyone, thanks for joining us. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: This is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin and I'm
Speaker 1: joined by Joe and Steve. As always, as always, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: as Joe would say, solve another mystery. Absolutely we are.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to solve it. I don't know, Joe,
Speaker 1: I guess probably. Well, so we're gonna tackle the hum,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, so into the theories now. So the
Speaker 1: hum is another apparently I'm on the like unexplained sounds
Speaker 1: bandwagon right now. I've been doing them a lot lately.
Speaker 1: I'm super are. Yeah right now. It was like it
Speaker 1: was something else for a while, mysterious middle aged men dying. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: going to another phase. Sorry, so sorry everyone, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: this isn't boring. So the hum is an unexplained noise
Speaker 1: that involves widespread reports of persistent and invasive low humming,
Speaker 1: low frequency humming, rumbling, or like a droning kind of
Speaker 1: noise that makes sense like an airplane, right, make kind
Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's it's often described as like an idoling truck,
Speaker 1: like a eighteen wheeler truck idling. I don't know, I've
Speaker 1: never heard it. I was like, you've never heard an
Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler. Where have you been living forever? If you
Speaker 1: still heard a wheeler jake breaks, you could hear from
Speaker 1: a mile away. Yeah, man. Hums have been widely reported
Speaker 1: by lots of national media, particularly in the UK and
Speaker 1: the United States. So it's mainly English speaking people, Mainly
Speaker 1: speaking people. Yeah, I don't think that's true that here
Speaker 1: the hum, but I think it is true that that's
Speaker 1: where it's both. Let's be honest. The UK in the
Speaker 1: United States are pretty good at reporting stupid stuff. It's
Speaker 1: probably over Africa and they're probably just busy trying to like,
Speaker 1: you know, stay alive. You know, they hear it, but
Speaker 1: they just got better things to do than talk about
Speaker 1: the hum. Yeah. So it's often you'll hear it referred
Speaker 1: to with the like the location affixed to the front
Speaker 1: of it, so like the Bristol home, the Taos hume,
Speaker 1: and it can be really disturbing and apparently in the
Speaker 1: UK it's directly attributed to at least three suicides, which is,
Speaker 1: which is weird. It seems like a strange reason to
Speaker 1: kill yourself. Well, I think you know stuff going on
Speaker 1: as far as as anybody can tell. It's just it's persistent,
Speaker 1: like people can't sleep through it. People, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just there. It's just hearing this hume like over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's almos like that Chinese water torture right
Speaker 1: with the drips, except for it's a sound in your head.
Speaker 1: I can understand how that would be obnoxious, would get old, yeah,
Speaker 1: really old, really fast. Yes. So, as I said, the
Speaker 1: home is kind of like a truck engine idling outside
Speaker 1: of some outside of someone's house. But often it's it's
Speaker 1: people hear it more inside than outside. Like if they're
Speaker 1: hearing it inside and they go outside, it's not as prevalent. Wait.
Speaker 1: So if if I'm hearing what I attribute to be
Speaker 1: a hum and I'm sitting in my house, you go
Speaker 1: outside to explore, right, But it's less it's less loud,
Speaker 1: it's more quiet. Okay, And do do they know why
Speaker 1: that is? I mean, well, I'm just I'm just thinking here. Okay. Well,
Speaker 1: if I'm inside and I don't have the TV on
Speaker 1: or anything like that, there's not as much background noise.
Speaker 1: So I just wonder if background noise outside the wind
Speaker 1: and the trees and you know, dogs and cats and
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, if all of that kind of
Speaker 1: makes it harder for people to pinpoint maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's generally accepted that it's not a noise that's
Speaker 1: just coming from inside of like a bunch of different
Speaker 1: individual houses. It's accepted that you know, if it is
Speaker 1: something right, that it's something outside. And so if you
Speaker 1: hear a noise outside that you here very loudly in
Speaker 1: your house and you walk outside out the doors and
Speaker 1: you know, the walls and the insulation and things like that,
Speaker 1: even if there's more background noise, it's going to be
Speaker 1: louder because you're closer to whatever is making the noise.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? It does, And I guess I
Speaker 1: can follow that if it's coming from if it's a
Speaker 1: noise with the source outside of the earth, to say,
Speaker 1: if you're inside your house, if you say this was
Speaker 1: due to high frequency vibration of the earth itself and
Speaker 1: the ground there, then if you're inside your house, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like being in an echo chamber. It stands
Speaker 1: to reason it would be louder inside if it's from
Speaker 1: that source versus outside. The difference between shooting it gun
Speaker 1: off inside your house and outside your us it's a
Speaker 1: lot louder inside. Sure, Yeah, that's the hum is also
Speaker 1: louder at night than it is that day in day.
Speaker 1: And it does appear to be geographically focused a little bit,
Speaker 1: as in people kind of you can move away from it.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. You can hear it and then getting
Speaker 1: your car and dry. It's a small range, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that it's it's actually focused someplace that it's actually actually
Speaker 1: has a source of some kind. So if any of
Speaker 1: these any of these people, these sufferers, the hearers, have
Speaker 1: any of them actually just taking the trouble to just
Speaker 1: try to localize it, walk towards the source of the noise, yeah,
Speaker 1: and often people can't. One of the things that is
Speaker 1: kind of emerging in this there's this kind of big
Speaker 1: data collection effort that's happening. That's a worldwide HUM data collection.
Speaker 1: It's like a Google doc. Well huge, huge, anybody who
Speaker 1: suffers from it. Anytime you have an instance, you go
Speaker 1: in and you plug in just a massive amount of
Speaker 1: information about like where you heard it, if you heard it.
Speaker 1: More on your left or right, and by and large
Speaker 1: people say they hear it on their left more. And
Speaker 1: you know, you can only follow your left for so
Speaker 1: long before you know, you try and localize it, and
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I don't I don't know. Maddening.
Speaker 1: I think it's the word. Yeah, maddening. I think is
Speaker 1: definitely the word. Yeah. People can actually get away from it,
Speaker 1: but they can't go towards it, I guess. Yeah. In
Speaker 1: one of the weird mysteries of the hum, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to pack up and move. I guess. Also, only about
Speaker 1: two percent of people living in an area that's HUM
Speaker 1: prone they call it a homb prone area can hear it.
Speaker 1: Most of them are from ages fifty to seventy, which
Speaker 1: is kind of weird. Uh it was. That's that's a
Speaker 1: statistic from a study that was done in two thousand
Speaker 1: thirteen by an acoustical consultant who lives in Surrey. So
Speaker 1: that's weird a little bit, right, Yeah, it's not weird, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna do a little bit of a
Speaker 1: list of places then and where the HUM has been reported,
Speaker 1: So in London and Southampton in the nineteen forties, Bristol
Speaker 1: England in nineteen seventy nine, Large Scotland in the nineteen eighties, Taos,
Speaker 1: New Mexico in nine, Cocomo, Indiana in n Vancouver, BC
Speaker 1: pre two thousand three, Calgary, Alberta in two thousand eight, Winter,
Speaker 1: Ontario in two thousand nine, Woodland Country Durham in England
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven, County Kerry in Ireland in
Speaker 1: two thousand twelve, Seattle, Washington two thousand twelve, Wellington, New
Speaker 1: Zealand in two thousand twelve, the Italian National Research Council
Speaker 1: in Pizza, Italy in two thirteen, in Guadalajara in two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, and Kalima in two thousand thirteen. So it
Speaker 1: seems to be getting more prevalent a little bit too, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's more prevalent or just people
Speaker 1: know that there's a way to complain about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've heard about it now. So now, did it just
Speaker 1: like Santaos? I thought that was an ongoing phenomenon? Did
Speaker 1: it just it is? I think that was the first began. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, I already mentioned that there's an age kind
Speaker 1: of range, kind of an age range for this. There's
Speaker 1: also apparently only one third of the sufferers are male
Speaker 1: to two thirds female, which is a little interesting as well,
Speaker 1: I feel, and there's a very defined age curve that
Speaker 1: people under the age of forty tend to like not
Speaker 1: here at all. Well, I could, I could almost I
Speaker 1: could almost see some easy answers to those those numbers.
Speaker 1: So the only one third of the here's are men, correct,
Speaker 1: And it's also people under forty five tend not to
Speaker 1: hear it. Well, that seems pretty easy to me because
Speaker 1: people who were above forty five are from the era
Speaker 1: when we didn't use a lot of safety precautions. So
Speaker 1: I'm talking large machinery all day long, and that was
Speaker 1: typically run by men. Okay, so riddle me this. Then
Speaker 1: of males to females, so well, riddle me this, batman.
Speaker 1: Many of the HUM sufferers are either partially or mostly deaf.
Speaker 1: Partially are totally deaf, So there's not a good explanation
Speaker 1: for that. There's just not Okay, well, there might be, actually,
Speaker 1: But I do agree though, that it's not surprising that
Speaker 1: people in the older age group would be would be
Speaker 1: more likely to have already sustained some sort of damage
Speaker 1: to their ears that could cause something like this to happen,
Speaker 1: it would make sense to me. I also mentioned the
Speaker 1: left side more than the right side, and apparently some
Speaker 1: people who are affected by the hum, not all, but
Speaker 1: some can get relief from actually physically closing off their
Speaker 1: left ear, putting their hand over their ear, basically sleep.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it seems
Speaker 1: to be the physical act of putting the hand over
Speaker 1: the ear, but I could be it may just be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it turns out if I put my Beats by Dr
Speaker 1: Dre on my head, I don't hear the home because
Speaker 1: I don't hear anything. This episode of Thinking Sideways brought
Speaker 1: to you by Beats. You are there any known recordings
Speaker 1: of this kind of um. There's a lot of YouTube
Speaker 1: videos of hums or humlike phenomena, which is interesting and
Speaker 1: I think is actually a fairly solid argument against some
Speaker 1: of the theories we're going to talk about. But it's
Speaker 1: hard to tell. I mean, you know, it's so easy
Speaker 1: to edit a video, especially there are a lot that
Speaker 1: I've watched and been like, well, that's like just out
Speaker 1: a garage band, Like I know that effect really well,
Speaker 1: you know, But there are there are others that I've
Speaker 1: listened to that. I'm like, I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: them where I was, okay, well, I want to hear
Speaker 1: this the sky wherever finds it, and you can tell
Speaker 1: that they have just gone in and crank the volume,
Speaker 1: because if you've ever listened to an audio track when
Speaker 1: it peeks out and it's just hitting the top and
Speaker 1: the wind is really loud, and then things just start
Speaker 1: keep hitting that upper range and getting caught off by
Speaker 1: the audio program, that's what I wonder. How much these
Speaker 1: things are doctored to make it quote unquote hearable. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's definitely true. But I think that there
Speaker 1: are a couple and I will make my best effort
Speaker 1: to find them so that we can include them before
Speaker 1: you know, often they get taken down or whatever. I'll
Speaker 1: try my best to find some good ones so that
Speaker 1: we can put them on the website, because I think
Speaker 1: there are a few out there at least that are
Speaker 1: really compelling and interesting. So is this um? Is it
Speaker 1: something some mysterious creature humming a tune? Maybe just chuper
Speaker 1: cobra to keep the cobra. Finally we figured it out,
Speaker 1: So do you want to talk about she didn't buy
Speaker 1: that at all. How enthusiastic we solve the mystery, we
Speaker 1: can start drinking beer now, Oh, you're right, I do. Okay.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about two specific places because they've
Speaker 1: done they've actually done research on both of them. So
Speaker 1: first we're going to talk about Bristol, England, which was
Speaker 1: one of the first places, as uh you may recall
Speaker 1: on that list that I rapidly read off where the
Speaker 1: hum was reported about eight hundred people in this coastal city,
Speaker 1: which is Bristol, right reported having heard a steady like
Speaker 1: thrumming sound. I guess almost thrumbing. That's a good word, right,
Speaker 1: which authorities kind of blamed on vehicular traffic and local
Speaker 1: factories working twenty four hour shifts, which is I guess fair. Now,
Speaker 1: these people that hear this, they hear it all the time.
Speaker 1: It did not intermittently. They hear it more at night
Speaker 1: than during the day. But I guess that seems fairly
Speaker 1: mundane if it is indeed a factory or something, because
Speaker 1: there's more outside noise kind of interfering with that right
Speaker 1: during the day when you're trying to lay down to
Speaker 1: go to sleep, harder to Yeah, that would be acous,
Speaker 1: but but it never for these these people, they reported
Speaker 1: it never stopped. It just kept going seven. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's correct. So they did some studies and the audiologist
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier conducted these studies in two
Speaker 1: thousand three. The hum frequency was at thirty six hurts.
Speaker 1: And funny side note, before we start talking about thirty
Speaker 1: six hurts, they were instructed on how to construct aluminum
Speaker 1: helmets to be placed over their head when the home
Speaker 1: was happening. You're kidding. They taught them how to make
Speaker 1: tinfoil hat yep, yep, because they thought they would help
Speaker 1: you are making this off. How do they work? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't know. There were no reports. Wow that guy fleeced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally custom made hats. While you wait, we'll me two.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about hurts frequencies a little bit. We're just
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk about them when we talk about
Speaker 1: taus in a minute too. But hurts are kind of
Speaker 1: a weird, a morphous thing right now, not a lot
Speaker 1: of us kind of know what they sound like or anything.
Speaker 1: So the hum has been recorded at you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like from the twenty six to maybe like I
Speaker 1: don't know, fifty six hurts or something like that. So
Speaker 1: just to give you a little bit of reference, here's
Speaker 1: what twenty hurts would sound like. Well, and one quick
Speaker 1: thing I'd like to say to everybody, as we've discovered,
Speaker 1: when you're listening to this, depending on the system that
Speaker 1: you're using, you might or might not hear this. Some
Speaker 1: computer laptops especially don't seem to have the speaker capacity
Speaker 1: to produce the sounds. So if you're listening to that,
Speaker 1: you might want to take a second and get some headphones.
Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and listen to twenty hurts. And
Speaker 1: here's what forty would sound like, and sixty and as
Speaker 1: Steve says, eighties heinous. So we're not even gonna go um,
Speaker 1: the Bristol hume is, as we said, the thirties six,
Speaker 1: which is pretty dang close to forty hurts. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's kind of what that sounded like. Put your
Speaker 1: aluminum hats on everything. Uh. In Taos, the you know,
Speaker 1: the hume kind of started being reported in residents complained
Speaker 1: of a low level rumbling noise is what they called it.
Speaker 1: I think it may just be a little bit of semantics, right,
Speaker 1: thrumming and rumbling, probably about one's way more cool and
Speaker 1: British sounds like it's from New Mexico. So a team
Speaker 1: of researchers decided, hey, research, let's go research. Their researchers
Speaker 1: from Los Alamos National Laboratory, the University of New Mexico
Speaker 1: and Sandina National Laboratories, and apparently other regional experts. They
Speaker 1: were unable to identify the source of the sound, but
Speaker 1: they were able to identify the range of the sound,
Speaker 1: which was forty eight to seventy two. Hurts, that seems
Speaker 1: really loud. That's really reported. That's wavelength. That's not that's
Speaker 1: that's not free. That's not like amplitude, right, but it
Speaker 1: just seems like really painful to listen to. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what that well, let's find out what's here.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, that's just that's just like it's just
Speaker 1: like wavelength, you know, so higher pitch sounds have a
Speaker 1: shorter wavelength, lower pitch lets have a longer wavelength. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like light. I mean, blue has got a
Speaker 1: shorter wavelength than red has. But that doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: blue is gonna like, you know, hurt your eyes more.
Speaker 1: That all just that all depends on how bright the
Speaker 1: blue light that shining in your eyes is so it
Speaker 1: can be damn So you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing would sound. That's fair just for listener reference
Speaker 1: of seventy two hurts hurts a lot, according to Steve.
Speaker 1: One other one I'd like to mention is the Auckland
Speaker 1: hum which is Auckland, New Zealand, and a doctor Tom
Speaker 1: Moyer of the Massi University in Auckland recorded it, which
Speaker 1: is awesome. We'll put a link to that on the
Speaker 1: website if we can find it. And apparently it's spectral
Speaker 1: density peaked at a frequency of fifties six hurts. All right,
Speaker 1: So that's that's what we know about the hub. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of great, super awesome information. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's I know, we just listen to them. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of numbers that it's a lot of ranges, and
Speaker 1: it's so it's hard to and this is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this, I said this before, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to imagine what that's like with background noise.
Speaker 1: I mean, listening to it on so and pure I
Speaker 1: would drive me bonkers very quickly. But with so much
Speaker 1: background noise it's just hard for me to kind of
Speaker 1: think what that would be like. Then again, I live
Speaker 1: near a kind of a big road, so I randomly
Speaker 1: hear truck to Jake breaking, I think, is the one
Speaker 1: example you made. I hear that, and I don't even
Speaker 1: really pay attention to it, just because I tune it
Speaker 1: out naturally. So yeah, this, to me, this is something
Speaker 1: I would just naturally tune or like the light rail
Speaker 1: or like the train or like that. You know, when
Speaker 1: you live near things like that, you just tune them out.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, this seems to impact people differently
Speaker 1: than just like a mundane whatever sound going past one,
Speaker 1: probably because it goes on all the time, you know,
Speaker 1: I would think that you would just get used to
Speaker 1: it stuff hearing it. So one of the we're going
Speaker 1: to jump into the theories, and one of the theories
Speaker 1: is Tonitus. And I want to say a little caveat
Speaker 1: about all of these theories first, but I would say
Speaker 1: that it's a lot like Tonitus, and that like if
Speaker 1: you have tonightas you hear it all the time, you
Speaker 1: don't actually get used to it, and it can become
Speaker 1: more or less annoying, of course, depending on your kind
Speaker 1: of moods and things like that. You never get used
Speaker 1: to it, you never tune it out. It's always there, Tonitas.
Speaker 1: You tune tonitas, you turned it out if you've got
Speaker 1: other things going on, But when you're laying asleep at
Speaker 1: in bed. I mean, I'm evidently better tuning things. Apparently
Speaker 1: you are. I can't do it at all. So the
Speaker 1: caveat that I do want to say is that most
Speaker 1: researchers who are actively investigating the home express kind of
Speaker 1: utter confidence that the hum is is a real thing.
Speaker 1: It's not like a like a psychological disord order, it's
Speaker 1: not something that's just like happening in people's heads. And
Speaker 1: it's not a hoax, which is you know, those are
Speaker 1: kind of three things that people bring up. They say, well,
Speaker 1: it's just something wrong with these people, or they're just
Speaker 1: lying or whatever. The most researchers say, no, we do
Speaker 1: believe this is actually happening. It's real, and it's something
Speaker 1: external not internal. Fair. All right, I want to jump
Speaker 1: into some fun theories first before we say things like
Speaker 1: it's tonitus. Is that cool with you guys? All right?
Speaker 1: My first favorite theory is that it's a leftover gift
Speaker 1: from Nikola Tesla. Yeah, that it's um a result of
Speaker 1: a low frequency electromagnetic radiation that is audible only to
Speaker 1: some people, right, and that they're apparently verified cases that
Speaker 1: individuals who there is a certain percentage of the population
Speaker 1: that is extra sensitive to hearing noises like this, which
Speaker 1: would be I think about two which the population that
Speaker 1: can hear homes. But radiation is not annoyed, not noise though,
Speaker 1: it's that's like radiation, like electromagnetic radiation, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: like apparently radio waves, all that stuff, all that stuff
Speaker 1: is on the electromagnetic spect Apparently some people can actually
Speaker 1: translate radiation in the noises. Yeah, apparent also get the
Speaker 1: local radio station on the filling us. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a range that's outside of normal human hearing
Speaker 1: to be sure, But apparently there's a certain percentage of
Speaker 1: the population who can actually hear these things people talk about.
Speaker 1: But you can't hear like radio waves. I mean what
Speaker 1: I could see where maybe your brain somehow receives them
Speaker 1: and translates them into what perceived sound your brain or something,
Speaker 1: but they're not actually hearing anything, right, the brain thinks
Speaker 1: they're hearing something, right, Well, it's translating into that's what
Speaker 1: your brain does. That translates what the earbones are, which
Speaker 1: would help to ex lane why deaf people can hear
Speaker 1: them right, That it's not actually a sound, that it's
Speaker 1: a wave that hits people in a certain way. Now
Speaker 1: explain to me again this people who are deaf are
Speaker 1: reporting it, or is it people who are hard of hearing? Okay,
Speaker 1: because what I think of is for people who can't hear,
Speaker 1: they're much more sensitive to pressure. If you've ever ever
Speaker 1: been to an event, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: have ever done this. I did it once and it
Speaker 1: was a dance for a local organization that was a
Speaker 1: deaf organization, and the music was blaringly loud, and they
Speaker 1: had the base cranked up. And if you've ever been
Speaker 1: near a speaker when the base is thumping and you
Speaker 1: can you can feel that pressure wave. And and that's
Speaker 1: why I question if it's really a sound if they're
Speaker 1: reporting it, because the way that they know to interpret
Speaker 1: these loud noises are these things like this says they
Speaker 1: know it's kind of a pressure wave. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of a learning response that I tell you, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. So now you Okay, I get it. So
Speaker 1: that's why I questioned that because it seems more of
Speaker 1: a pressure issue than a sound issue. It maybe Joe,
Speaker 1: you had a theory about elf actually is it one
Speaker 1: of the ones with a little green point else a
Speaker 1: little with the elves? Well, some people I did. This
Speaker 1: is not a theory I came up with. Some people
Speaker 1: have speculated that it might be extremely low frequency radio
Speaker 1: waves that aren't kind of similar to this testa thing,
Speaker 1: and the US actually has in the Soviets had I
Speaker 1: think still have these things that these transmitters in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: Actually they were like miss Wisconsin and Michigan and they
Speaker 1: were actually disbanded in two thousand four, but they were
Speaker 1: used for communicating with submarines. And that's extremely low frequency
Speaker 1: radio waves compenetrate seawater much better than high frequency ones.
Speaker 1: Are just very low frequency ones because these wavelengths are
Speaker 1: so huge. I mean we're talking enormous wavelengths, like you know,
Speaker 1: miles long. That means that essentially you can be very
Speaker 1: simple messages like a little too before letter code to
Speaker 1: a submarine and they received them at a rate of
Speaker 1: about maybe two characters a minute. That's how long these
Speaker 1: radio waves are and then that's just kind of a
Speaker 1: doorbell kind of thing, you know, that's bringing the bell.
Speaker 1: They come up to the shallowers shallower depth where they
Speaker 1: can receive radio transmissions and get instructions from home. So
Speaker 1: we had and the people have been hypothesized, and there's
Speaker 1: been some of the conspiracy theories. There was even an
Speaker 1: episode of The X Files it was done about the LF.
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch the X Files? There was the
Speaker 1: episode where Molder and Scully were out in Nevada and
Speaker 1: they just happened upon that There's this guy who was
Speaker 1: like driving wildly across the state, kept driving ever ever,
Speaker 1: ever further westward because he had this thing in his
Speaker 1: head from from getting ELF waves, and the only way
Speaker 1: he could stop his head from exploding was to keep
Speaker 1: driving in high speed westward. And sort of I don't
Speaker 1: know what what was gonna happened to him. I think
Speaker 1: I think I can't remember how how it all worked out.
Speaker 1: I think eventually you couldn't go any further in its
Speaker 1: head exploder or something like that. But that's anyway I
Speaker 1: said that. But at least for America, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not we're not broadcasting in the E. L F anymore
Speaker 1: and the Soviets, so they tell us, yeah, really now
Speaker 1: they've got better ways to do it now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so to kind of piggyback on that, like America has
Speaker 1: these weird things going on. Theory is HARP not the
Speaker 1: loan program? No, that's are not the musical instrument. No,
Speaker 1: not the musical instrument. The high frequency active ural research
Speaker 1: program that's up in active high frequency active auroral. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a hard word to say. It's up in Alaska.
Speaker 1: It's super technical. I'm not going to get into it.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of acronyms. Basically, it's a really
Speaker 1: advanced piece of technology that is supposed to analyze the
Speaker 1: assan on honest sphere and investigate, um the potential for
Speaker 1: enhancing things like radio communication and surveillance. Show just looked
Speaker 1: really concerned, like I had not accurately portrayed what was
Speaker 1: going on. I mean, you know, it is most basic level.
Speaker 1: It's super easy to google and like find a bunch
Speaker 1: of articles about the reason that people kind of talk
Speaker 1: about this maybe having to do with the HUM is
Speaker 1: because HARP is actually a really huge conspiracy theorist and
Speaker 1: actually we may do an episode on HARP I haven't
Speaker 1: totally decided yet. Well, it's not a conspiracy theorist. It's
Speaker 1: a target for conspiracy theorists. Yeah, target for conspiracy theorists
Speaker 1: who say that it's capable of modifying weather, disabling satellites,
Speaker 1: and exerting mind control over people, and that it's being
Speaker 1: used as a weapon against terrorists. Well that's not such
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Yeah, they're a lot of the people
Speaker 1: who are these conspiracy theorists against HARP say that things
Speaker 1: like earthquakes, drought, storms, and floods, disease diseases like Gulf
Speaker 1: War syndrome and chronic fatigue syndrome are attributed to HARP.
Speaker 1: They also say things like of the t w A
Speaker 1: flight eight hundred, the destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia
Speaker 1: also attributed to HARP. It's a big old catch net
Speaker 1: for crazy. Yeah. This this seems like a my bank
Speaker 1: account is empty. It's because of HARP. HARP. It's attributed
Speaker 1: for everything. Yeah, although to the credit of you know,
Speaker 1: putting it to this the hum right, it does do
Speaker 1: radio frequencies and it's a pretty big old thing up there,
Speaker 1: So I don't know it's high frequency though, which is
Speaker 1: what Joe kind of brought up high it's high frequency. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of with the other end of the spectrum.
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe people can actually some tiny minority
Speaker 1: of people can receive radio ways high frequency, although I
Speaker 1: don't know that it would necessarily translate to Well, again,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's what we were kind of alluding to. Earliers.
Speaker 1: You can't actually hear it. Your brain is doing the translation,
Speaker 1: but because it doesn't know what it is, it's a
Speaker 1: bad translation. So then it comes out into this weird
Speaker 1: range that people are reporting hearing, which seems to be
Speaker 1: an issue if there's recordings of it. But yeah, there's that,
Speaker 1: there's that whole problem, silly recordings. Yeah, well we don't
Speaker 1: know if those recordings are real though, it's all a lie,
Speaker 1: another conspiracy theory. Okay, So, as we said earlier, some
Speaker 1: people were like, well, it's just timitus, which I think
Speaker 1: is the dumbest answer ever. Don't don't don't mask your feelings,
Speaker 1: just let it out. I'm trying so just to like
Speaker 1: not show them at all. It's I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: know what tenitus is, right, It's that like ringing that
Speaker 1: you hear in your ears, ringing or a high pitch.
Speaker 1: I totally thought was totally normal. That's how I found
Speaker 1: out literally two years ago that not everybody has ringing
Speaker 1: in their ears all the time. You do, yeah, all
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I totally have. Tonightus, I have the same thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have. I get just an occasional spell. I'll just
Speaker 1: be sitting there and all of a sudden, it's almost
Speaker 1: seems like a little veil goes over my hearing, like
Speaker 1: the volume everything around me goes down, and that's just
Speaker 1: a ringing. That's just old age. Okay, Yeah, that's been
Speaker 1: happening for percentially young age, happening since well, you've been
Speaker 1: an old person since you were born, apparently, so okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, so tonight's if you don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: I guess go look it up, because no, Tonight's is
Speaker 1: actually pretty basic. Yeah. What it is is how how
Speaker 1: you're hearing works. Is that in I don't remember, it's cochlea,
Speaker 1: which is a kind of a spiral shaped vessel in
Speaker 1: your ear looks like a snail, looks like a snail,
Speaker 1: and it's full of fluid, and it's full of hairs,
Speaker 1: and as the fluid in their moves is moved by
Speaker 1: pressure of the sound. The hair has picked that up,
Speaker 1: and your brain interprets that as noise. And so that's
Speaker 1: how we hear when you get really loud noises, things
Speaker 1: that damage you're hearing they think, this is the last
Speaker 1: time I read anything on it is They think that
Speaker 1: what happens is the pressure change in there in your
Speaker 1: in that organ or in that spiral is so violent
Speaker 1: that it actually snaps those hairs or those filaments. And
Speaker 1: so what was you know, let's say this tall the
Speaker 1: length of my finger has now been chopped in half
Speaker 1: or a third of its length, So it's gonna vibrate
Speaker 1: much easier and more rapidly. And so it's sending these
Speaker 1: signals to your brain and saying, I hear noise, I
Speaker 1: hear noise, I hear noise. But it's it's so your
Speaker 1: brain is interpreting this, but it's not actually supposed to
Speaker 1: be that. And it's worth mentioned that it's not only
Speaker 1: you can be born with it. It's not just sound
Speaker 1: damaged that typical frequently that it's sound damaged. Most you know,
Speaker 1: kind of baby boomers have it. Kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit of concerts, Yeah, and you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people of my generation, which I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: which generation it is, have it because we listen to
Speaker 1: music rell out on our headphones. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just you can be born with it,
Speaker 1: you can do it to yourself, and you can you
Speaker 1: can lose hearing that way, you lose. Most people today
Speaker 1: don't have the same hearing range as people a hundred
Speaker 1: years ago because of cars, because of the frequency that
Speaker 1: cars put out noise all the time, because we're exposed
Speaker 1: to it constantly, it's just damaged and so we don't
Speaker 1: hear all of the noise that a car makes when
Speaker 1: it's on and driving because it's our ears are just
Speaker 1: shot that way. Yeah, so I think you know tonight's
Speaker 1: I think it's very clearly. The problem. The problems with
Speaker 1: this as a theory is it doesn't explain why only
Speaker 1: people only hear it in certain geographic locations. You know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't also explain the louder at night. Well, I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense to me, like my tonitus, for instance,
Speaker 1: is louder at night because there's less happening, there's less
Speaker 1: to distract me from it. I'm more aware of it. However,
Speaker 1: it doesn't explain why. It only like people age into
Speaker 1: it and out of it. Well, and I can't get
Speaker 1: away from tonitus. I can't drop. Yeah, and it's not like,
Speaker 1: oh man, it's coming from a left ear, like oh,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's there. I know it's in my head.
Speaker 1: I'm not suffering any kind of delusions that like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is a weird noise coming from outside of my head. No,
Speaker 1: And I don't think that has ever been the case.
Speaker 1: Even when I was a child. I don't think I
Speaker 1: was ever like Wow, there's a weird ringing happening all
Speaker 1: around me. It was like, Wow, there's a weird ringing
Speaker 1: happening in my ear. You know. I think people with
Speaker 1: tonight is kind of recognized, Wow, that's a weird happening
Speaker 1: in my ear. And I also it doesn't really go
Speaker 1: away If I cover my ear, that actually gets louder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: makes it worse. Yeah, Well, okay, you never wear ear muffs,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna say no to tenitis tis. There's a
Speaker 1: there's another theory out there that's not as prevalence, that
Speaker 1: it could be what's called tonsor timpanny muscle syndrome. What, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, is there it seriously in your ear. There's
Speaker 1: a there's this little muscle called the timpanty muscle. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a muscle that that kind of kind of
Speaker 1: an exert pressure on your ear drum make it tighter
Speaker 1: or less tight. And uh if when this muscle is activated,
Speaker 1: it can actually tighten to the point where it's vibrating
Speaker 1: and you get a sort of sensation that's kind of
Speaker 1: like a rumbling. And you've experienced I experienced it a
Speaker 1: few minutes ago. What I yawned, and you know how
Speaker 1: you want you yawn a real deep beyond sort of
Speaker 1: you feel that sort of yeah, kind of a pop, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like this. I hear kind of a sort
Speaker 1: of thing in my ears when I if sometimes seven
Speaker 1: Chevy in his head. Yeah. Yeah. So that that's another possibility,
Speaker 1: is and maybe these people have something going on with
Speaker 1: their their thoughts are timpanty muscles, I guess, yeah, And
Speaker 1: that you know, I guess My problem with that is
Speaker 1: the same kind of with the tonitus. Is that like,
Speaker 1: why only in these certain geographic locations, and why so
Speaker 1: prevalently in these geographic locations, right, It's not like a
Speaker 1: couple of people in this one area are saying, oh
Speaker 1: I hear this noise. It's like two to eleven percent
Speaker 1: of the population in any given kind of hub of
Speaker 1: the hum or hearing it. So I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something, Maybe there needs to be more research
Speaker 1: into this syndrome, Maybe there is something that could be
Speaker 1: affecting people in this area. But thinking of research, like saying,
Speaker 1: tause um, how many people in Taos reported this as happening,
Speaker 1: hundreds lots. It was eight hundred in Bristol. I don't
Speaker 1: think I have a number in tause but I think
Speaker 1: it was almost eleven percent or something like that of
Speaker 1: the population. Fairly substantial. And the fact that you can
Speaker 1: record it or that people could measure the like hurts
Speaker 1: that it was right. That to me means that it's external.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how they did that if
Speaker 1: they and ID have to like look at the research
Speaker 1: and found out and find out if they actually went
Speaker 1: out found the noise, recorded it and measured it's its wavelength,
Speaker 1: or if they just played like sounds to people who
Speaker 1: claim to be hearing basically to them, like you go
Speaker 1: to the eye doctor and they just play sound as well.
Speaker 1: It's just does this sound like it. How about this?
Speaker 1: How about this? And then finally when they get there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they setting on that articles that I've read
Speaker 1: about people trying to track it down as they've gone
Speaker 1: out with a mike and all of the audio equipment
Speaker 1: that you you know, you're it's portable, you're carrying it,
Speaker 1: and of course as they're listening to it and with
Speaker 1: their the headphones and there, oh wait, I think I've
Speaker 1: found it. They're looking at the meter and the meter
Speaker 1: is registering this stuff. And I think that's how they're
Speaker 1: doing it is actual real world walking around with a
Speaker 1: mic to try and pick it up and pinpoint where
Speaker 1: it's at. Yeah, and then after that, But would be
Speaker 1: interesting to say, say Bristol, for example, if they could
Speaker 1: actually take a map of the city and plot out
Speaker 1: the occurrences of this all over the city and find
Speaker 1: out that's sort of there's an epicenter of it, um
Speaker 1: a uniform across the city, which doesn't really make sense
Speaker 1: to me. They I think they have done that with
Speaker 1: the data collection that they're doing. They say, you have
Speaker 1: to be pretty specific about where you are, and they
Speaker 1: have a map you can see and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I haven't ever, like looked very closely at a city,
Speaker 1: so I can't remember it or I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess if they do it within a city, but they
Speaker 1: do it within countries. Well, the map on one of
Speaker 1: the links where they were that one where they were mapping.
Speaker 1: I loaded that map. You went all the way down.
Speaker 1: I went all the way down. I I zoomed into
Speaker 1: Portland's just to see what it was like in the city,
Speaker 1: and it's all over the city. And when you're zoomed
Speaker 1: how the country or the world, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: those silly little those little blips that mark your location
Speaker 1: on the Google Maps, just everywhere. And it wasn't until
Speaker 1: you got in pretty closed that they started spreading out.
Speaker 1: So people are reporting them literally everywhere. So if this
Speaker 1: isn't geographically specifically geographic specific, then some form of hearing problem.
Speaker 1: I think it's meant to. I mean, I think it
Speaker 1: is geographically you know. I I don't know how specific
Speaker 1: the data collection that's happening with this HUM website is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're actually filtering any reports, you know.
Speaker 1: I know on their website they do say, oh, if
Speaker 1: you're not sure if it's the HUM, don't report it.
Speaker 1: But this is the Internet and it's hard to kind
Speaker 1: of you know, call that down to what's legitimate and
Speaker 1: what's not. Anybody can just go into this document and
Speaker 1: then put put us this stuff in, So you got
Speaker 1: to figure there's at least a few pranks. Well, and
Speaker 1: I also when I was going through it, there are
Speaker 1: you can tell the people who really care because they
Speaker 1: fill in and it's spreadsheet. They in every cell and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cells, and then there's yes, it's
Speaker 1: like fifteen questions or more per report, but a lot
Speaker 1: of them it'll be the location, the date, and maybe
Speaker 1: one or two other little bits. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are just giving the minimal amount of information, which is
Speaker 1: unfortunately kind of corrupts the research. And because you've got
Speaker 1: a bunch of red herrings. Yeah, so, and it's worth
Speaker 1: mentioning since we're talking about this little data collection thing happening.
Speaker 1: Some of the questions are asking, are you know, how
Speaker 1: close are you to power line or to a power hub?
Speaker 1: How close are you to a gas line? How close
Speaker 1: are you to like these other theories that people have
Speaker 1: kind of thrown out, like maybe it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: just a power station. Maybe it's because these communities are
Speaker 1: close to that. Maybe it's a gas line. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is the noise that gas lines make, you know, things
Speaker 1: like that. They're saying, you know, how close are you
Speaker 1: to this? Looking for man to kind of see if
Speaker 1: there are any really patterns. Yeah, patterns, I guess is
Speaker 1: the word that I was looking for. Yeah, to go
Speaker 1: back to our theories. There's one other one that maybe internal,
Speaker 1: and it's called spontaneous auto acoustic emissions, which I know
Speaker 1: sounds all dirty. I'm sorry everyone, but apparently the human
Speaker 1: ear generates noises called spontaneous auto acoustic emissions, which affect
Speaker 1: like the population, and most people are like unaware of them.
Speaker 1: I guess as far as I can tell, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like tonitis. But it's not. It's not forever. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because it's that that sounds exactly
Speaker 1: like tonitus when I was doing the reading, but they
Speaker 1: didn't catch that. It just goes away. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's just like little It happens every once in a while.
Speaker 1: It's not a constant sound as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. Next is that it's colliding ocean way here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this, this is one is kind of a head
Speaker 1: scratcher from I don't I don't like this theory very much.
Speaker 1: I think it's dumb that apparently waves in the deep
Speaker 1: sea can collide in such a way that send out
Speaker 1: a noise. And I think this this mostly pertains to
Speaker 1: coastal communities that are affective. As far as I can tell, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's I mean, we've all been at the
Speaker 1: ocean when it's really windy and you're not on the beach,
Speaker 1: you're a couple of miles away, but you can still
Speaker 1: hear that noise that's made from the surf. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that's that's where this is going. It's it's well,
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of noise. Waterfalls do
Speaker 1: the same thing. I think a little bit. It's it's
Speaker 1: more like a mix of that plus like the blue,
Speaker 1: like these weird noises that happen when like too deep
Speaker 1: ocean waves collide. They make this frequency that can travel.
Speaker 1: It's fairly low frequency. I don't know. I know that
Speaker 1: to some research, this is under water, is what they're saying. No,
Speaker 1: it's in, but it's in deeper oceans. It's not like
Speaker 1: hitting the cost If there if there is like some
Speaker 1: sort of collision that makes a noise like that and
Speaker 1: it's very low frequency. Low frequency sound ways do travel
Speaker 1: a lot further through the water, then I guess the
Speaker 1: US Array Earth Scope, I don't even know what that is,
Speaker 1: has tracked down a series of waves that I guess
Speaker 1: they're kind of like compression waves that do produce kind
Speaker 1: of humming noises a little bit. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that that goes far enough to explain what these people experiencing,
Speaker 1: particularly in a place like Taos, New Mexico. Exactly. You know,
Speaker 1: when these guys are saying, like these the sounds of
Speaker 1: these collisions of waves could travel far far away, that's true,
Speaker 1: but in the water, they're not gonna They don't climb
Speaker 1: out of the water on the west coast of the
Speaker 1: US and walk over to New Mexican, right, So, like
Speaker 1: it might explain Bristol, which is a coastal town, right,
Speaker 1: but it definitely doesn't explain landlocked house like house also,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you know where to houses, but it's
Speaker 1: like pretty north New Mexico, it's like center North New Mexico.
Speaker 1: That's a that's pretty landlocked in the rockies. Is it
Speaker 1: the Rockies suddenly can't think of what that major string
Speaker 1: of mountains that runs through Mexico. Yeah, the Rockies go
Speaker 1: to Colorado, which do you know which side of the
Speaker 1: Rockies houses on. I'm guessing the east side, be my guest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Which means that you would think that if it's coming
Speaker 1: from the ocean. Okay, let's just say these ultra low
Speaker 1: frequency waves are bouncing up and traveling across the land,
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit mountains, which you're gonna slow them down
Speaker 1: and stop them before they ever got the other side
Speaker 1: for these towns maybe. And then and then you've got
Speaker 1: to think too, that the sound would be incredibly painfully
Speaker 1: loud in coastal communities. You would see this instance more
Speaker 1: definitely in coastal communities, right. I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean as far as natural explanations, So I think
Speaker 1: that seizemic activity or geothermal activity is I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody has ever investigated that or not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of been floated. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody has done any kind of serious research into it, however,
Speaker 1: but that it's kind of a nice segue into this
Speaker 1: next theory, which is that it might be underground drilling,
Speaker 1: kind of covert underground drilling, right, so the government's like
Speaker 1: or maybe it's the lizard people, Yeah, the lizard people.
Speaker 1: So I guess there's kind of a consistent trend with
Speaker 1: the communities that this is heard. Is there more suburban
Speaker 1: you know, like more out they're not. They're not rural.
Speaker 1: They're not rural because they are communities. They're like villages
Speaker 1: and towns, but they are not urban. So you know,
Speaker 1: I guess you could kind of say that that would
Speaker 1: be a good target for people to be drilling under, right,
Speaker 1: because there are people there so like and would cover
Speaker 1: up some of the noise or whatever. Right, But it's
Speaker 1: not a thriving metropolitan area. I don't know, well, I
Speaker 1: think it kind of you're talking about like horizontal oil
Speaker 1: drilling or something like cracking, but not really people. But
Speaker 1: people are drilling in the ground constantly. It's not just
Speaker 1: for natural gas and stuff like, I mean, people are
Speaker 1: drilling for wells and things like that, and is full
Speaker 1: of cracks. I mean, the mantle of the ear of
Speaker 1: our planet is not a solid chunk of rock. It
Speaker 1: is full of all kinds of veins and pockets. So
Speaker 1: I mean I can see that. Let's say that I'm
Speaker 1: drilling a hundred miles from here in an area that's
Speaker 1: okay for me to drill for oil or water or
Speaker 1: whatever I'm drilling for, and then those cracks don't just go,
Speaker 1: you know, they go horizontally and then they make their
Speaker 1: way up and that could leak out. I guess there's
Speaker 1: a way to say it. I guess. I just think
Speaker 1: all I can ever think of when I think of
Speaker 1: nderground drilling is Ocean's thirteen when they're drilling under Las Vegas. Yeah, listeners,
Speaker 1: help me out doing the show with old people. Apparently no, um, So,
Speaker 1: I mean they do that. They did it with the
Speaker 1: Max Tunnel to underground drilling and those things. It's just
Speaker 1: a plate. It's not an actual drill, right, like a drill,
Speaker 1: but it's just a plate. There's there's a bunch of
Speaker 1: those things out there, and it looks like this. She's greater, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: flat with the Yeah they're pretty awesome. I want to
Speaker 1: go they're pretty cool, but they I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if there was any kind of proof that things were
Speaker 1: drilling under there, that would be a good explanation. But
Speaker 1: I think that at this point people would have had
Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, I know, we're drilling under that place, right,
Speaker 1: But people don't always realize that drilling is going on.
Speaker 1: Do you realize that in the city of Portland they
Speaker 1: were drilling for fifteen or twenty years for the entire
Speaker 1: sewer redo that they did here. It was called a
Speaker 1: big Pipe project and they were drilling from one end
Speaker 1: of the city to the other and it took him
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years. They were drilling every day, nonstops.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it is under ground drilling. But this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff happens in the municipalities all the time
Speaker 1: and people don't realize that it's going on. They may
Speaker 1: sort of be aware, but they don't really think about it,
Speaker 1: so then they're hearing this weird noise. And I guess
Speaker 1: that would be another argument actually, like four, that these
Speaker 1: are like less urban places, right that like when we're
Speaker 1: when drilling is happening underneath us, we've got like a
Speaker 1: bustling city happening. We can't hear what's going on down there, right,
Speaker 1: But if it's a smaller community and they are drilling
Speaker 1: under there, what I like, who's gonna I mean, you
Speaker 1: hear it? It's an evil genius building his bunker for
Speaker 1: the more. Right, there is one more kind of since
Speaker 1: we're talking about the earth theory. We were talking about
Speaker 1: it a little bit earlier and none of us has
Speaker 1: a really good grasp nor do we have any details.
Speaker 1: But apparently there is an actual global hum. Now there is.
Speaker 1: They can be heard worldwide. Question was it's the geothermal activity? Right, Well,
Speaker 1: it's not geo thermal activity as much as it's um.
Speaker 1: There are some scientists who have been mapping the ears,
Speaker 1: the inner structure of the Earth and the typically typically
Speaker 1: the way that's been done and they just sort of
Speaker 1: sit around the wait for an earthquake somewhere and then
Speaker 1: using recording stations around them around the planet, you can
Speaker 1: know that sends that earthquake is going to send massive waves,
Speaker 1: shock waves to the through the planet's core. You can
Speaker 1: use that that information when you pick it up somewhere
Speaker 1: else to infer information about how what the structure of
Speaker 1: the earth inter core is. Sure. Yeah, but the problem
Speaker 1: with that is as you to sit around a way
Speaker 1: for an earthquake, and so some of these guys started
Speaker 1: actually amassing data on the sink that they called the
Speaker 1: Earth's hum, which is when we read it to you here. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's hum. It's called seismic noise. It's generated by sources
Speaker 1: such as storm driven ocean waves, among other things, and
Speaker 1: it's detectable everywhere on Earth. Interesting, but we don't we
Speaker 1: don't know what the frequency is or anything like that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I haven't figured that out yet. Yeah, but that's that's
Speaker 1: that's the possibility. I didn't realize that the Earth actually
Speaker 1: had a home. I didn't need it. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Earth does have a hung well, and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that this isn't directly related, but
Speaker 1: seismic activity and stuff like that. I mean, the planets
Speaker 1: always moving and the cores moving and plates are grinding
Speaker 1: and things are always happening. It's always in a little
Speaker 1: bit of a state of flux. And is it the
Speaker 1: in it on the San Andreas Fault, they record little
Speaker 1: mini quakes constantly. Yeah, I mean, nobody feels and nobody.
Speaker 1: We just had we just had two earthquakes this past
Speaker 1: week in Sherwood. Yeah you feel I didn't feel, you know,
Speaker 1: there were like three pointers. But yeah, but yeah, but
Speaker 1: these things happened constantly. We don't realize it. But that
Speaker 1: could be a culprit is that it's actually just products
Speaker 1: of natural seismic activity that we don't recognize as happening.
Speaker 1: But it's some people can hear it. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that's fair. Yeah, it's and it might be more geographically specific,
Speaker 1: because the thickness of the Earth's crust differs in places,
Speaker 1: and it's like that in the composition of a different
Speaker 1: in places. Yeah, I think that's not a bad theory.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about another kind of not
Speaker 1: bad theory, which is that it could just be like
Speaker 1: mechanical devices, if you will notice, right, it has definitely
Speaker 1: picked up in the last you know, really yeah, since
Speaker 1: the Industrial revolution, if you will, desk goes goes to
Speaker 1: So you're talking are you talking about drillings some more?
Speaker 1: You're talking about other things we're talking about, yeah, more
Speaker 1: like factories. So apparently in Kokomo, that's how you say that, right, Kokomo, Indiana,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fairly industry heavy city. Apparently, some
Speaker 1: researchers went out and identified where the hum was coming from.
Speaker 1: There were two sources that they traced. One was a
Speaker 1: Chrysler casting plant that was emitting a thirty six hurts
Speaker 1: tone apparently, which would do it, because totally sure. The
Speaker 1: second one was an air compressor intake at the Haines
Speaker 1: International plant that was emitting a ten hurts tone. And
Speaker 1: do you remember we were listened to twenty hurts. That's
Speaker 1: hard to hear, right, Yeah, the low down ones are
Speaker 1: very hard to hear, so ten hurts would be like
Speaker 1: super hard to hear. Furthermore, once uh, these devices were
Speaker 1: corrected and stopped emitting these noises because they were malfunctioning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the people who had been complaining about the home didn't
Speaker 1: say that they stopped hearing it. Maybe they're just complainers.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they're just whiners. I do also remember again
Speaker 1: the guy who was talking about having walked around his
Speaker 1: city with the audio equipment trying to track it down himself.
Speaker 1: He was pretty sure he had pinpointed it to some
Speaker 1: chimney that was part of a factory and it just
Speaker 1: happened to be next to an alley, so it was
Speaker 1: creating basically an echo. Cha. Yeah, that was in China
Speaker 1: or something, wasn't it. No? I think it was Indiana.
Speaker 1: It was one of the Indiana ones, but I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. There was one in China where they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was this construction that was happening. So they again
Speaker 1: they corrected it, and people were like, no, it's still happening.
Speaker 1: You know, I think this has happened a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Could be like this is suddenly occurred to me. What
Speaker 1: do you blow over like the end of a coke bottle?
Speaker 1: It makes that noise noise I remember one time I
Speaker 1: I I experienced. I think of that and at a larger,
Speaker 1: larger scale, lower wave length. Because I was in when
Speaker 1: I was in college, I stayed around after the end
Speaker 1: of the school year because I was worked. I worked
Speaker 1: for the dormitory, so stayed around for an extra week
Speaker 1: or two to clean up the dorms after everybody else
Speaker 1: had left and gone home for the year. And it
Speaker 1: sounds like, yeah, I know, so I know what the
Speaker 1: So I was up and I was up on the
Speaker 1: seventh floor and I had the whole place to myself.
Speaker 1: It's really weird to be in a place that's always
Speaker 1: full of people and you're and suddenly you're the only one.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the creepiest things. Is
Speaker 1: it is? It is, It's kind of creepy. And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm there and uh, and suddenly I hear this really weird,
Speaker 1: unearthly noise. It's sort of like low kind of noise,
Speaker 1: and it made it made the hair on the back
Speaker 1: of my next stand up. Somehow, I feel like we
Speaker 1: need to be around a campfire right now. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I finally figured out what it was is that there
Speaker 1: were these really long halways. There are two of them,
Speaker 1: and at the end they had windows which opened, and
Speaker 1: so just hap finally figured out if the wind was
Speaker 1: blowing at just a perfect angle across these open windows
Speaker 1: and making that same coke bottle sound, but much louder
Speaker 1: and much lower frequency. It was a weird sound. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I can see there being natural formations that
Speaker 1: I mean, that that would happen. Yeah. Yeah, although again,
Speaker 1: why only like fifty to seventy to seventy because they're
Speaker 1: the only people who sit around, listen around and listen.
Speaker 1: All the younger people are walking around with like iPods
Speaker 1: and buds in their ears. Yeah totally. So we have
Speaker 1: one more theory might be my favorite. Are you guys
Speaker 1: so ready for this one? It's fish. Yeah. This guy
Speaker 1: from the Scottish Association Scottish Association for Marine Science says
Speaker 1: that nocturnal humming from fish, from male midshipment fish, it's
Speaker 1: their mating call, and that they were just doing it
Speaker 1: in the night. They were making this mating call night
Speaker 1: because they're nocturnal, and that's what everybody was hearing in
Speaker 1: this one community in hid Hampshire. Okay, so I tried
Speaker 1: to read upon this fish. There are they are They
Speaker 1: sort of like a mud puppy or a lungfish, something
Speaker 1: that crawls out of the water at night for a
Speaker 1: little bit of time before it goes back in. Do
Speaker 1: you know, I have no idea. I'm sorry, this is
Speaker 1: literally the extent of the research I tried to look.
Speaker 1: I looked into these fish a little bit, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't really get any good info. But I mean, I
Speaker 1: do know that there are fish that come out of
Speaker 1: the water for brief periods of time. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of fish moaning or humming. But that's a good way
Speaker 1: to advertise your position to nearby predators. Yeah, bad idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like the smartest thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, if you're gonna take you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of these series all together, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: this one applies to that particular spot in Scotland. But
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to see how I could apply
Speaker 1: to Toos, New Mexico. Yeah, but it might be that
Speaker 1: there's hums around the world and they all have difference.
Speaker 1: They all have different origins, they have different sources. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you know, that's totally fair. It's a fair
Speaker 1: thing to think. But fish is the last theory that
Speaker 1: I have. We're out of theories. Do you guys have
Speaker 1: any other theories? No, I don't. Do you have favorite theories?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's mechanical. Yeah, I really think that
Speaker 1: it is. It is a man made noise, especially since
Speaker 1: it's mostly reported in extremely developed countries, whether it's urban, suburban,
Speaker 1: rural areas, machineries everywhere, And that seems like the likeliest
Speaker 1: candidate to me from Yeah, that's pretty good. I mean
Speaker 1: I like the fish one. Yeah, kind of hard it
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not credible. I like it. Um. So anyway,
Speaker 1: the earth some that we were talking about, that's that's
Speaker 1: entirely possibility that the crust of the earth itself is
Speaker 1: is like vibrating, you know, enough to create either a
Speaker 1: sound or else maybe put something put a vibration and
Speaker 1: into your feet, into your body, basically vibrating your body.
Speaker 1: You're standing out the body, your body is resonating with that,
Speaker 1: and for some sensitive people, for whatever reason, they translate
Speaker 1: that into sound. Yeah. I don't know. I don't have
Speaker 1: a favorite theory, to be honest, I deeply believe that
Speaker 1: it's external, right. I don't think it's just people like
Speaker 1: having like making it up. I don't think it's tonitous
Speaker 1: anything like that. I definitely don't think it's fish. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's colliding waves, but the Earth's hum machinery,
Speaker 1: weird drilling stuff, experiments. You don't want to say experiments
Speaker 1: really too much. But I don't understand what you mean
Speaker 1: by the conspiracy theory stuff or something like that. God
Speaker 1: and buying that I did. I do think somebody should
Speaker 1: investigate any possible correlation between geothermal activity in the places
Speaker 1: where this happens. Yeah, I think that's fair. That would
Speaker 1: be you know, and that would be hard to pinpoint.
Speaker 1: I think they need to get some geologists involved in
Speaker 1: this quest. Yeah, So I guess that's all we have.
Speaker 1: As we've said, we're going to put a bunch of
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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. And we have some listener mail. I
Speaker 1: think it's backlogged. We didn't do any last week. We
Speaker 1: got a lot last week and we didn't do any. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a long episode because I'm so sorry. So
Speaker 1: we got some listener mails that we want to try
Speaker 1: and catch up. Well, yeah, we've got some emails, and we,
Speaker 1: like you said, Devin, there's a lot of emails. We've
Speaker 1: gotten a bunch this week and in the past weeks,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to read them all out as much
Speaker 1: as I'd love to, And we should just make it
Speaker 1: clear that this isn't like adult send us any more emails.
Speaker 1: Got so much email. It's awesome, but it's it's sometimes
Speaker 1: I love it because it's one or two sentences and
Speaker 1: then it's a suggestion of the story, which is great
Speaker 1: because that's filling the hopper for us. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to just read off all of those.
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of them that kind of stood out,
Speaker 1: so I think that those are the ones that I
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to focus on. So we've got one
Speaker 1: from a guy named Ben, and he said, first of all,
Speaker 1: I love the show. I think you guys are hilarious
Speaker 1: and making a really unique and intelligent podcast. So what
Speaker 1: could I say other than keep up the good work. Yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: Thanks Ben, And that he has a quick question. Um,
Speaker 1: he was trying to figure out where we were based
Speaker 1: out of and I think we said it before, but
Speaker 1: if we haven't directly said it, we're out of Portland
Speaker 1: or and he was he had figured out that we
Speaker 1: were in the Pacific Northwest, because we knew things like
Speaker 1: the sailor sea feet. We were pretty familiar with the
Speaker 1: coastal range, and so he'd kind of put two and
Speaker 1: two together. But yeah, I know, we're definitely out out
Speaker 1: of Portland, and uh, if you are out yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we are from Portland. Yeah's evidently from Seattle. So he
Speaker 1: was happy to to share the Northwest with us. It's
Speaker 1: not actually, if you live in Portland and you want
Speaker 1: to be you want to be our intern. But and
Speaker 1: then Ben gave us obviously, as everybody else has, he
Speaker 1: gave us a great suggestion of the story, and that
Speaker 1: one is in the hopper for us. Yeah. Emails from Tom,
Speaker 1: he says, I recently started listening to podcasts in general
Speaker 1: and was very disappointed that there are very few podcasts
Speaker 1: about mysterious events, people and places, and I wanted It
Speaker 1: was also a letdown that almost no other podcasts can
Speaker 1: even hold a candle to thinking sideways than I have
Speaker 1: in the past read an article on more than half
Speaker 1: of the things that you guys have discussed on the show,
Speaker 1: but you present much more detail and do so in
Speaker 1: a fashion that keeps me from becoming bored in any
Speaker 1: way with the show. So he wanted to say thank you,
Speaker 1: and he also wanted to geek out with me a
Speaker 1: little bit about Earthbound, So we geeked out a little
Speaker 1: bit and then he's adjusted some shows, but Earthbound Bros
Speaker 1: for life using our side power. It's a video game.
Speaker 1: You guys are both looking at me like I'm the
Speaker 1: biggest idiots being a video game. It's a video game
Speaker 1: that I love, but so also likes Fallout. So if
Speaker 1: anybody wants to make a Fallout reference, you'll love it.
Speaker 1: And listen, we already had a Fallout person, did we Yeah?
Speaker 1: I didn't catch it. It was on It was on iTunes.
Speaker 1: One of our commentary was Arcade Gannon, which is again,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I it turns out I'm nerding myself.
Speaker 1: It's like aging yourself, but like you know, you're a nerd. Anyways,
Speaker 1: if you want to keep guessing my favorite video games,
Speaker 1: you should just send random emails to us about video
Speaker 1: games and we'll see how many I can catch. So, Tom,
Speaker 1: thank you for the suggestions. They are as you would
Speaker 1: say in the hopper. Okay, one more, we got time
Speaker 1: for one more letter. Uh. This letter is from Jennifer.
Speaker 1: So Jennifer says Hey, guys, huge all caps fan of
Speaker 1: the show, found it too much or so back on
Speaker 1: Reddit and listen to your whole library in about a week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, at work all day data entry boo and
Speaker 1: frequently gets distracted by your awesome show. I have a
Speaker 1: semi local story. I'd love to hear your thoughts on
Speaker 1: blank blank blank Washington. Were to college. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: take a look is pretty cool and there's even a
Speaker 1: Wikipedia try it. I've heard about this particularly spot before.
Speaker 1: It is kind of interesting. I've almost I've been meaning
Speaker 1: to go up and take a look at it. We
Speaker 1: might need to take a field trip for this one. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: anyway back to her letter, thanks again for the awesome show.
Speaker 1: If you guys have lots of Portlands listeners, you should
Speaker 1: have plan a meet up for everyone. Signed jan That's
Speaker 1: a great idea. Actually, that's actually not a bad idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we might have to take a polling sometimes how
Speaker 1: many people are in the area that would be able
Speaker 1: to do something like that. They'll just use analytics Google analytics.
Speaker 1: There's there's things on the internet that do this. For
Speaker 1: holy Craft, they didn't know that's plan on that good idea.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Yeah, thanks Jennifer, thanks everybody for the emails, and yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said before, we've got a bunch of them
Speaker 1: and I we can't read them all. We don't appreciate it,
Speaker 1: we don't love it. Just can't do everything. And we
Speaker 1: try to respond to all of them in a fairly
Speaker 1: good amount of time. Yeah, sometimes I'm a little behind
Speaker 1: on the replies, but I try to keep up bottom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess with that, that's it. Yeah, there's not
Speaker 1: too much you can say about it. It's just it's
Speaker 1: just so let's play recording at the Taos. Hum. That's
Speaker 1: incredibly annoying. I can see people can get suicide man.
Speaker 1: Good night,