WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Hum 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.079 Thinking Sideways. I don't interest. You never know stories of 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.040 things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hi 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.079 there everyone, thanks for joining us. I'm not going to 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:27.640 say for rejoining us. I'm just gonna say joining us. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.480 This is Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin and I'm 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.400 joined by Joe and Steve. As always, as always, we're gonna, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.639 as Joe would say, solve another mystery. Absolutely we are. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.320 I'm not going to solve it. I don't know, Joe, 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.920 I guess probably. Well, so we're gonna tackle the hum, 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:52.479 which is yeah, so into the theories now. So the 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:56.600 hum is another apparently I'm on the like unexplained sounds 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.320 bandwagon right now. I've been doing them a lot lately. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:04.640 I'm super are. Yeah right now. It was like it 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.360 was something else for a while, mysterious middle aged men dying. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.479 going to another phase. Sorry, so sorry everyone, I'm sorry 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:17.679 this isn't boring. So the hum is an unexplained noise 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.679 that involves widespread reports of persistent and invasive low humming, 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.040 low frequency humming, rumbling, or like a droning kind of 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.039 noise that makes sense like an airplane, right, make kind 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.319 of Yeah, it's it's often described as like an idoling truck, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.200 like a eighteen wheeler truck idling. I don't know, I've 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.679 never heard it. I was like, you've never heard an 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:47.240 eighteen wheeler. Where have you been living forever? If you 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.720 still heard a wheeler jake breaks, you could hear from 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.160 a mile away. Yeah, man. Hums have been widely reported 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:59.200 by lots of national media, particularly in the UK and 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.320 the United States. So it's mainly English speaking people, Mainly 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.000 speaking people. Yeah, I don't think that's true that here 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.280 the hum, but I think it is true that that's 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.000 where it's both. Let's be honest. The UK in the 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.840 United States are pretty good at reporting stupid stuff. It's 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.760 probably over Africa and they're probably just busy trying to like, 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.560 you know, stay alive. You know, they hear it, but 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:26.840 they just got better things to do than talk about 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.720 the hum. Yeah. So it's often you'll hear it referred 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.240 to with the like the location affixed to the front 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.560 of it, so like the Bristol home, the Taos hume, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.080 and it can be really disturbing and apparently in the 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.920 UK it's directly attributed to at least three suicides, which is, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.040 which is weird. It seems like a strange reason to 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.680 kill yourself. Well, I think you know stuff going on 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.799 as far as as anybody can tell. It's just it's persistent, 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.079 like people can't sleep through it. People, you know, it's 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.280 just there. It's just hearing this hume like over and 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.960 over again. It's almos like that Chinese water torture right 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.240 with the drips, except for it's a sound in your head. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.880 I can understand how that would be obnoxious, would get old, yeah, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:12.640 really old, really fast. Yes. So, as I said, the 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.799 home is kind of like a truck engine idling outside 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.120 of some outside of someone's house. But often it's it's 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.280 people hear it more inside than outside. Like if they're 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.160 hearing it inside and they go outside, it's not as prevalent. Wait. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.800 So if if I'm hearing what I attribute to be 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.440 a hum and I'm sitting in my house, you go 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.120 outside to explore, right, But it's less it's less loud, 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.760 it's more quiet. Okay, And do do they know why 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.560 that is? I mean, well, I'm just I'm just thinking here. Okay. Well, 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.960 if I'm inside and I don't have the TV on 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.480 or anything like that, there's not as much background noise. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.360 So I just wonder if background noise outside the wind 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.240 and the trees and you know, dogs and cats and 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.400 whatever it might be, if all of that kind of 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.480 makes it harder for people to pinpoint maybe. I mean, 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.120 it's it's generally accepted that it's not a noise that's 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.200 just coming from inside of like a bunch of different 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.160 individual houses. It's accepted that you know, if it is 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:18.359 something right, that it's something outside. And so if you 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.640 hear a noise outside that you here very loudly in 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.680 your house and you walk outside out the doors and 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:25.560 you know, the walls and the insulation and things like that, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.279 even if there's more background noise, it's going to be 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.520 louder because you're closer to whatever is making the noise. 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.320 Does that make sense? It does, And I guess I 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.000 can follow that if it's coming from if it's a 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.960 noise with the source outside of the earth, to say, 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:41.719 if you're inside your house, if you say this was 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.800 due to high frequency vibration of the earth itself and 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:49.000 the ground there, then if you're inside your house, it's 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.880 kind of like being in an echo chamber. It stands 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.320 to reason it would be louder inside if it's from 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.120 that source versus outside. The difference between shooting it gun 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:01.320 off inside your house and outside your us it's a 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:10.039 lot louder inside. Sure, Yeah, that's the hum is also 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.159 louder at night than it is that day in day. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.880 And it does appear to be geographically focused a little bit, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:22.080 as in people kind of you can move away from it. 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.560 That makes sense. You can hear it and then getting 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.839 your car and dry. It's a small range, yeah, and 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.719 that it's it's actually focused someplace that it's actually actually 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.080 has a source of some kind. So if any of 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.960 these any of these people, these sufferers, the hearers, have 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.080 any of them actually just taking the trouble to just 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.640 try to localize it, walk towards the source of the noise, yeah, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.600 and often people can't. One of the things that is 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.320 kind of emerging in this there's this kind of big 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.919 data collection effort that's happening. That's a worldwide HUM data collection. 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:59.200 It's like a Google doc. Well huge, huge, anybody who 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.400 suffers from it. Anytime you have an instance, you go 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.880 in and you plug in just a massive amount of 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.320 information about like where you heard it, if you heard it. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.240 More on your left or right, and by and large 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.400 people say they hear it on their left more. And 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.240 you know, you can only follow your left for so 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.200 long before you know, you try and localize it, and 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:18.760 it's just you know, I don't I don't know. Maddening. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.720 I think it's the word. Yeah, maddening. I think is 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.200 definitely the word. Yeah. People can actually get away from it, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.120 but they can't go towards it, I guess. Yeah. In 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.000 one of the weird mysteries of the hum, I'm trying 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:34.799 to pack up and move. I guess. Also, only about 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.480 two percent of people living in an area that's HUM 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.520 prone they call it a homb prone area can hear it. 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.840 Most of them are from ages fifty to seventy, which 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.000 is kind of weird. Uh it was. That's that's a 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.120 statistic from a study that was done in two thousand 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.920 thirteen by an acoustical consultant who lives in Surrey. So 0:06:54.240 --> 0:07:01.040 that's weird a little bit, right, Yeah, it's not weird, Okay. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.400 So I'm just gonna do a little bit of a 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:08.880 list of places then and where the HUM has been reported, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.040 So in London and Southampton in the nineteen forties, Bristol 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.720 England in nineteen seventy nine, Large Scotland in the nineteen eighties, Taos, 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:24.559 New Mexico in nine, Cocomo, Indiana in n Vancouver, BC 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:31.000 pre two thousand three, Calgary, Alberta in two thousand eight, Winter, 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.080 Ontario in two thousand nine, Woodland Country Durham in England 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.000 in two thousand and eleven, County Kerry in Ireland in 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.720 two thousand twelve, Seattle, Washington two thousand twelve, Wellington, New 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.640 Zealand in two thousand twelve, the Italian National Research Council 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:54.000 in Pizza, Italy in two thirteen, in Guadalajara in two 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.120 thousand thirteen, and Kalima in two thousand thirteen. So it 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.800 seems to be getting more prevalent a little bit too, right. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.360 I don't know if it's more prevalent or just people 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.680 know that there's a way to complain about it. Yeah, 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.560 they've heard about it now. So now, did it just 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.200 like Santaos? I thought that was an ongoing phenomenon? Did 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.040 it just it is? I think that was the first began. Yeah, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.040 I said, I already mentioned that there's an age kind 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.840 of range, kind of an age range for this. There's 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:29.280 also apparently only one third of the sufferers are male 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.760 to two thirds female, which is a little interesting as well, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.920 I feel, and there's a very defined age curve that 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.640 people under the age of forty tend to like not 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.600 here at all. Well, I could, I could almost I 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:48.240 could almost see some easy answers to those those numbers. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:54.200 So the only one third of the here's are men, correct, 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.960 And it's also people under forty five tend not to 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.240 hear it. Well, that seems pretty easy to me because 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.760 people who were above forty five are from the era 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.439 when we didn't use a lot of safety precautions. So 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.679 I'm talking large machinery all day long, and that was 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.440 typically run by men. Okay, so riddle me this. Then 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.960 of males to females, so well, riddle me this, batman. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:26.680 Many of the HUM sufferers are either partially or mostly deaf. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:32.040 Partially are totally deaf, So there's not a good explanation 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.040 for that. There's just not Okay, well, there might be, actually, 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.600 But I do agree though, that it's not surprising that 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.120 people in the older age group would be would be 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.600 more likely to have already sustained some sort of damage 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.440 to their ears that could cause something like this to happen, 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.200 it would make sense to me. I also mentioned the 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.040 left side more than the right side, and apparently some 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:55.560 people who are affected by the hum, not all, but 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.480 some can get relief from actually physically closing off their 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:05.280 left ear, putting their hand over their ear, basically sleep. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.079 Maybe I don't know. I don't know. Maybe it seems 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.920 to be the physical act of putting the hand over 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:15.160 the ear, but I could be it may just be. Yeah, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.360 it turns out if I put my Beats by Dr 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.000 Dre on my head, I don't hear the home because 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.280 I don't hear anything. This episode of Thinking Sideways brought 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:30.920 to you by Beats. You are there any known recordings 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.720 of this kind of um. There's a lot of YouTube 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.560 videos of hums or humlike phenomena, which is interesting and 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.200 I think is actually a fairly solid argument against some 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.440 of the theories we're going to talk about. But it's 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.559 hard to tell. I mean, you know, it's so easy 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:51.679 to edit a video, especially there are a lot that 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.120 I've watched and been like, well, that's like just out 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.880 a garage band, Like I know that effect really well, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.880 you know, But there are there are others that I've 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.240 listened to that. I'm like, I've heard a lot of 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.040 them where I was, okay, well, I want to hear 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.040 this the sky wherever finds it, and you can tell 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:10.640 that they have just gone in and crank the volume, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.920 because if you've ever listened to an audio track when 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.719 it peeks out and it's just hitting the top and 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.240 the wind is really loud, and then things just start 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.400 keep hitting that upper range and getting caught off by 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.480 the audio program, that's what I wonder. How much these 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:30.480 things are doctored to make it quote unquote hearable. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.960 I think that's definitely true. But I think that there 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.560 are a couple and I will make my best effort 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:39.160 to find them so that we can include them before 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.160 you know, often they get taken down or whatever. I'll 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.960 try my best to find some good ones so that 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.360 we can put them on the website, because I think 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.520 there are a few out there at least that are 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.240 really compelling and interesting. So is this um? Is it 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:59.000 something some mysterious creature humming a tune? Maybe just chuper 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.200 cobra to keep the cobra. Finally we figured it out, 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.920 So do you want to talk about she didn't buy 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:13.199 that at all. How enthusiastic we solve the mystery, we 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.480 can start drinking beer now, Oh, you're right, I do. Okay. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:20.000 I want to talk about two specific places because they've 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.760 done they've actually done research on both of them. So 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.080 first we're going to talk about Bristol, England, which was 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.600 one of the first places, as uh you may recall 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.320 on that list that I rapidly read off where the 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:35.120 hum was reported about eight hundred people in this coastal city, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.480 which is Bristol, right reported having heard a steady like 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:44.480 thrumming sound. I guess almost thrumbing. That's a good word, right, 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.839 which authorities kind of blamed on vehicular traffic and local 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:56.800 factories working twenty four hour shifts, which is I guess fair. Now, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.760 these people that hear this, they hear it all the time. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.079 It did not intermittently. They hear it more at night 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.560 than during the day. But I guess that seems fairly 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.920 mundane if it is indeed a factory or something, because 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.000 there's more outside noise kind of interfering with that right 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.079 during the day when you're trying to lay down to 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.480 go to sleep, harder to Yeah, that would be acous, 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:21.040 but but it never for these these people, they reported 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.200 it never stopped. It just kept going seven. Yeah, that's 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:30.400 that's correct. So they did some studies and the audiologist 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.600 I was talking about earlier conducted these studies in two 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.839 thousand three. The hum frequency was at thirty six hurts. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.079 And funny side note, before we start talking about thirty 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.960 six hurts, they were instructed on how to construct aluminum 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.720 helmets to be placed over their head when the home 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.440 was happening. You're kidding. They taught them how to make 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.320 tinfoil hat yep, yep, because they thought they would help 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.080 you are making this off. How do they work? Well? 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.560 I don't know. There were no reports. Wow that guy fleeced. Yeah, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.640 totally custom made hats. While you wait, we'll me two. 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.800 Let's talk about hurts frequencies a little bit. We're just 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.640 gonna we're gonna talk about them when we talk about 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.840 taus in a minute too. But hurts are kind of 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.160 a weird, a morphous thing right now, not a lot 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.840 of us kind of know what they sound like or anything. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.560 So the hum has been recorded at you know, kind 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.920 of like from the twenty six to maybe like I 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:30.880 don't know, fifty six hurts or something like that. So 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 just to give you a little bit of reference, here's 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.760 what twenty hurts would sound like. Well, and one quick 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.800 thing I'd like to say to everybody, as we've discovered, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.960 when you're listening to this, depending on the system that 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.400 you're using, you might or might not hear this. Some 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.160 computer laptops especially don't seem to have the speaker capacity 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.800 to produce the sounds. So if you're listening to that, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.000 you might want to take a second and get some headphones. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:04.240 But let's go ahead and listen to twenty hurts. And 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:16.560 here's what forty would sound like, and sixty and as 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:21.840 Steve says, eighties heinous. So we're not even gonna go um, 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.280 the Bristol hume is, as we said, the thirties six, 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:31.120 which is pretty dang close to forty hurts. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.080 so that's kind of what that sounded like. Put your 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:40.560 aluminum hats on everything. Uh. In Taos, the you know, 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:45.840 the hume kind of started being reported in residents complained 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.440 of a low level rumbling noise is what they called it. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.160 I think it may just be a little bit of semantics, right, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:59.880 thrumming and rumbling, probably about one's way more cool and 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:06.200 British sounds like it's from New Mexico. So a team 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:13.239 of researchers decided, hey, research, let's go research. Their researchers 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:18.040 from Los Alamos National Laboratory, the University of New Mexico 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:24.360 and Sandina National Laboratories, and apparently other regional experts. They 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.440 were unable to identify the source of the sound, but 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.480 they were able to identify the range of the sound, 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.760 which was forty eight to seventy two. Hurts, that seems 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:42.440 really loud. That's really reported. That's wavelength. That's not that's 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.440 that's not free. That's not like amplitude, right, but it 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.800 just seems like really painful to listen to. Yeah, I'm 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:52.920 not sure what that well, let's find out what's here. 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.120 It is. Yeah, that's just that's just like it's just 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.760 like wavelength, you know, so higher pitch sounds have a 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.880 shorter wavelength, lower pitch lets have a longer wavelength. It's 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.080 kind of like light. I mean, blue has got a 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.639 shorter wavelength than red has. But that doesn't mean it 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.400 blue is gonna like, you know, hurt your eyes more. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.879 That all just that all depends on how bright the 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.159 blue light that shining in your eyes is so it 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.320 can be damn So you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.000 same thing would sound. That's fair just for listener reference 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:26.000 of seventy two hurts hurts a lot, according to Steve. 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.760 One other one I'd like to mention is the Auckland 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.439 hum which is Auckland, New Zealand, and a doctor Tom 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:40.120 Moyer of the Massi University in Auckland recorded it, which 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.399 is awesome. We'll put a link to that on the 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:48.480 website if we can find it. And apparently it's spectral 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.520 density peaked at a frequency of fifties six hurts. All right, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.480 So that's that's what we know about the hub. Yeah, okay, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.680 a lot of great, super awesome information. Yeah, it's it's 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.840 it's I know, we just listen to them. It's a 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:07.000 lot of numbers that it's a lot of ranges, and 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.160 it's so it's hard to and this is I'm gonna 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.000 say this, I said this before, but it's just it's 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.840 hard for me to imagine what that's like with background noise. 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.159 I mean, listening to it on so and pure I 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.520 would drive me bonkers very quickly. But with so much 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:24.320 background noise it's just hard for me to kind of 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.200 think what that would be like. Then again, I live 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.480 near a kind of a big road, so I randomly 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.800 hear truck to Jake breaking, I think, is the one 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.520 example you made. I hear that, and I don't even 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.240 really pay attention to it, just because I tune it 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.840 out naturally. So yeah, this, to me, this is something 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:43.280 I would just naturally tune or like the light rail 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.440 or like the train or like that. You know, when 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.920 you live near things like that, you just tune them out. 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.400 But for whatever reason, this seems to impact people differently 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.760 than just like a mundane whatever sound going past one, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.720 probably because it goes on all the time, you know, 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.639 I would think that you would just get used to 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.879 it stuff hearing it. So one of the we're going 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.400 to jump into the theories, and one of the theories 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.840 is Tonitus. And I want to say a little caveat 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.720 about all of these theories first, but I would say 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.800 that it's a lot like Tonitus, and that like if 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.080 you have tonightas you hear it all the time, you 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.040 don't actually get used to it, and it can become 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.120 more or less annoying, of course, depending on your kind 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.320 of moods and things like that. You never get used 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.560 to it, you never tune it out. It's always there, Tonitas. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.720 You tune tonitas, you turned it out if you've got 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.800 other things going on, But when you're laying asleep at 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.080 in bed. I mean, I'm evidently better tuning things. Apparently 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:44.320 you are. I can't do it at all. So the 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.040 caveat that I do want to say is that most 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:52.119 researchers who are actively investigating the home express kind of 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.600 utter confidence that the hum is is a real thing. 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.800 It's not like a like a psychological disord order, it's 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.240 not something that's just like happening in people's heads. And 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.199 it's not a hoax, which is you know, those are 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.360 kind of three things that people bring up. They say, well, 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.720 it's just something wrong with these people, or they're just 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:15.719 lying or whatever. The most researchers say, no, we do 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.960 believe this is actually happening. It's real, and it's something 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.480 external not internal. Fair. All right, I want to jump 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.399 into some fun theories first before we say things like 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.040 it's tonitus. Is that cool with you guys? All right? 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.359 My first favorite theory is that it's a leftover gift 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:39.679 from Nikola Tesla. Yeah, that it's um a result of 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:44.000 a low frequency electromagnetic radiation that is audible only to 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:48.480 some people, right, and that they're apparently verified cases that 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.879 individuals who there is a certain percentage of the population 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:57.480 that is extra sensitive to hearing noises like this, which 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.800 would be I think about two which the population that 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:04.280 can hear homes. But radiation is not annoyed, not noise though, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:08.639 it's that's like radiation, like electromagnetic radiation, yeah, which is 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.720 like apparently radio waves, all that stuff, all that stuff 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.600 is on the electromagnetic spect Apparently some people can actually 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:20.960 translate radiation in the noises. Yeah, apparent also get the 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:26.919 local radio station on the filling us. I mean, you know, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.399 it's it's a range that's outside of normal human hearing 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.080 to be sure, But apparently there's a certain percentage of 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.359 the population who can actually hear these things people talk about. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:39.960 But you can't hear like radio waves. I mean what 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.560 I could see where maybe your brain somehow receives them 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:49.200 and translates them into what perceived sound your brain or something, 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.000 but they're not actually hearing anything, right, the brain thinks 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.560 they're hearing something, right, Well, it's translating into that's what 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.800 your brain does. That translates what the earbones are, which 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.320 would help to ex lane why deaf people can hear 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:05.440 them right, That it's not actually a sound, that it's 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:07.880 a wave that hits people in a certain way. Now 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.320 explain to me again this people who are deaf are 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:16.080 reporting it, or is it people who are hard of hearing? Okay, 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:21.040 because what I think of is for people who can't hear, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:28.160 they're much more sensitive to pressure. If you've ever ever 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.520 been to an event, I don't know if you guys 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.439 have ever done this. I did it once and it 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.199 was a dance for a local organization that was a 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:41.600 deaf organization, and the music was blaringly loud, and they 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.400 had the base cranked up. And if you've ever been 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.000 near a speaker when the base is thumping and you 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.880 can you can feel that pressure wave. And and that's 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.640 why I question if it's really a sound if they're 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.160 reporting it, because the way that they know to interpret 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:00.399 these loud noises are these things like this says they 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.960 know it's kind of a pressure wave. It's just kind 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.800 of a learning response that I tell you, that's what 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.280 it is. So now you Okay, I get it. So 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:10.480 that's why I questioned that because it seems more of 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:15.080 a pressure issue than a sound issue. It maybe Joe, 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.719 you had a theory about elf actually is it one 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.680 of the ones with a little green point else a 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.760 little with the elves? Well, some people I did. This 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.280 is not a theory I came up with. Some people 0:23:26.359 --> 0:23:29.359 have speculated that it might be extremely low frequency radio 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.240 waves that aren't kind of similar to this testa thing, 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.439 and the US actually has in the Soviets had I 0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.879 think still have these things that these transmitters in the Midwest. 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.240 Actually they were like miss Wisconsin and Michigan and they 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.520 were actually disbanded in two thousand four, but they were 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.880 used for communicating with submarines. And that's extremely low frequency 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:55.160 radio waves compenetrate seawater much better than high frequency ones. 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.840 Are just very low frequency ones because these wavelengths are 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.600 so huge. I mean we're talking enormous wavelengths, like you know, 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.880 miles long. That means that essentially you can be very 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.439 simple messages like a little too before letter code to 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.159 a submarine and they received them at a rate of 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:16.200 about maybe two characters a minute. That's how long these 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.359 radio waves are and then that's just kind of a 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:21.000