WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: CeeDee in Top 5? 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.520 Following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:06.040 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:16.360 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? Yes? 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.960 Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.320 Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.760 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:29.800 Were on a Break. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.960 With Nick Eatman, Brian brought us and bar Garcia and 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:35.000 Derek Eagleton. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.080 It is Wednesday, May thirty, first, twenty twenty three, season nineteen, 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.760 episode number nine. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.040 We're a live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.720 Got Nick and Brian here with me and we should 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.199 be joining us here momentarily. Today we continue our twenty 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.040 twenty three off season review. We will hit the positions 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.800 of wide receiver, tight end, might even have a little 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.760 bit of kicker talking there. Before next week we wrap 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.000 up our off season shows with some with a look 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.360 at the secondary and defensive line next week as we 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.440 get ready for a little bit of rest and relaxation 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.440 before we had to training camp in late July. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.920 All right, how you guys doing today? Good? Excellent? 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:18.360 Roll? 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:19.520 Yes, sir? All right, let's go. 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.119 Let's talk first before we get into our season review, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.160 I do want to talk about a topic that popped 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:29.000 up this last week. One DeAndre DeAndre Hopkins, wide receiver 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.680 that was with the Arizona Cardinals and is now a 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:33.360 free agent. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.360 That's a key word. He's a free agent. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.640 He is now a free agency now Bryant officially, you 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.640 can mention his name, you can talk about him as 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.399 much as you like. There you go, what do you 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.600 see from DeAndre Hopkins as far as where he is 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.080 right now as a player versus what he was when 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.040 he was in Houston. Let's say, for example. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.440 Yeah, you know, the thing with DeAndre Hopkins is if 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.440 you talk to guys and gals around the league that 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.080 study these players, they feel like the DeAndre Hopkins has 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.080 lost a step or two, but where he is tremendous is. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.920 His ability to make the contested catches. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:07.440 As he's lost speed and the quickness, his ability to 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.880 still make those adjusting, you know, contested catches is still 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:13.800 at as at a. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:14.880 Very high point. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.600 So what you have with DeAndre Hopkins is a very 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:22.760 reliable receiver, one that high targets mean high receptions. He's 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.400 going to find ways to use his body position himself 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.120 run routes enabled himself to get open, present himself as 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.880 a good target so to you know, to the teams 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.200 that are looking at him right now, you know, everybody's 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.839 trying to kind of guess where he might end up. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.000 Buffalo talks about it, Kansas City talks about it. You know, 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.400 there's all kinds you could get odds on all kinds 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.280 of teams. I've seen the Cowboys mentioned as part of 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.680 one of those teams. But man, the guy still plays 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.040 at a very very high level. Though, but people are 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.120 saying though that watch the tape on him. The speed 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.600 is really starting to lack from him. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.680 Would you think he'd be a fit here in Dallas 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:03.919 right now? 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:08.040 Yeah, No, I don't, not, not for everything involved. Not 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.280 I mean good player. Sure, this team needs good players, 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.800 especially on offense. They need playmakers. We saw that Twler 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.640 season ended, But I don't think so when it comes 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.639 to what the money. If people think that he can 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.800 still play, he definitely thinks he can still play. When 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.560 you think you can still play, you get the money. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.200 And Odell Beckham's contract showed him and the rest of 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.640 the league of what that type of guy can still get. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:37.960 And that's the well it was fifteen million a year 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.440 or something like that for fifteen Yeah, I mean so 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:43.240 if that's kind of the standard, and I think that's fair. 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.640 I mean that for for Hopkins, if I'm looking at Beckham, 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:47.320 I'm not coming off the same injury that he is, 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.320 So I'm thinking, yeah, that that would probably be We'll 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.760 start there. And so I just don't think from that standpoint. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.000 And then also where it fits. I mean, this is 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.640 probably I think they have a top five receiver in 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.800 the league, the Cowboys do. That's what the stats show, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.600 that's what All Pro, second team, All Pro so CD 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:09.480 second second receiver. If it's Cooks, it's pretty accomplished for 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.920 a second receiver. If Gallup is your third, that's pretty accomplished. 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.840 I don't I knew I should have looked this stat 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.120 up this summer, but I still want to. I don't 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.800 know how many teams in the league have three one 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:22.360 thousand yard receivers on their team. So that being said, 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:23.760 this is a good team, they'll be. This is a 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.560 good receiving corps right now. That's why I'm not worried 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.400 about a lot of people are worried about. For four 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.440 or five or six, that'll work itself. Out. So all 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:33.360 that being said, sorry to be long winded. I don't 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.720 think Hopkins fits from the where the Cowboys are right 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:37.200 this month. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.000 If I could circle back, I did have somebody in 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:41.720 the league tell me this, and I think it kind 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:42.320 of paints the. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.760 Picture of really what Hopkins is. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.080 I remembered that I had this and I talked about 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.760 this on one oh five to three the fans. So 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:50.160 if you're one of those folks that listen to this 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.320 show and listen, and we really do appreciate you for that. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.479 But this gentleman said, depends on what he's asking for, 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.719 who's willing to pay it. Odell Beckham, we were talked 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.440 about here set the marker for wide receivers and didn't 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:07.719 play last year. Hopkins is probably once to be paid regardless, 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.720 And this guy said, I don't foresee much wiggle room 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.520 from whatever he perceives his value to be. So that's 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.680 what you're dealing with right now. If Hopkins has a 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.120 and there were rumors that we talked about on the 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.440 radio side of things that I do of when Hopkins 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.200 was here working out in the dockyard and doing things 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.200 like that, that maybe if he got the opportunity, if 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.960 the Cowboys in fact, had made the trade that he 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.560 would be willing to do something with his contract, much 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.680 like with what Cooks and others have done since they've 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:43.359 come to the Cowboys. So me personally, me personally, I 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.840 would have made the trade before you did. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.080 The Brandon Cooks. I see what they did. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.159 They wanted Brandon Cooks. They wanted Brandon Cooks at the 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.200 trade deadline last year. They feel like that Brandon Cooks 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.680 is a better player. I think for your quarterback that 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.760 you know, adding Cooks is out standing. I think adding 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.320 Hopkins would have been outstanding too, So I think they 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.120 kind of win either way. Again, it comes down to 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.000 what their money situation is. They got a better deal 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.960 on Cooks than maybe what they were going to get 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:13.719 from Hopkins. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.280 Yeah, and Hopkins obviously, you know, I'm not trying to 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.080 be naive to the situation. And he's a more accomplished 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.440 receiver than any of those three that the Cowboys have 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.120 right now. But you know, you have to structure your 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.160 team in a way where I just don't think this 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.719 is the issue. There are at OTAs this week, Mini 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:33.040 Camp next week. I see Cooks, I see CD Lamp, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.920 I see Michael gallup with that, and I think that's 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.159 really important. And so you're right about Hopkins versus Cooks. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.680 But the fact that is right now, Cooks is out 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.440 here working and they're establishing something. So you know, there's 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.160 just probably a better fit with more money for Hopkins 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.359 than I think right here. I would think, for. 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.320 Yeah, they're probably teams that are willing to pay him 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.880 like a number one receiver. I would guess, yeah, I 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.039 would guess there are a few. I mean that My 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:00.479 suspicion is the reason why he's no longer in Arizona 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.680 is because they weren't willing to pay thirty million, and 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.920 that's the reported amount that he was going to be 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:06.680 due this year. But the fact of the matter is 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:08.400 there may be a team out there's willing to pay 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.680 seventeen or eighteen, right, and so it still would be 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.559 more than you would think the Cowboys would be willing 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:15.720 to pay, and certainly more than they're probably willing to 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:17.920 pay when they know they got CD coming up here 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:18.960 that they have to do a new deal. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.040 Long I think we're to the point now too where 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.320 we're going to start to see money come back from 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:27.360 June one reduction. Certain teams that have moved on from 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.720 and you know, in the Cowboys case, we were talking 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.320 about it last week on our show here about that 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.920 money tends to If you ask the guys here in 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.520 the building, hey, seventeen million dollars cab space, they look 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.280 at you and they say, no, no, that money is 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.880 already earmarked for other projects that we have to do. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.080 And they've got guys they have to sign. They've got 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.200 some guys coming up that they could surely use that money. 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.080 I think if you're a Cowboy fan and you know 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.760 it's not going to happen here, then you know you 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.120 cheer for the Bills even though the Cowboys got to 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.400 play the Bills or the Chiefs. Yeah, you know, because 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:58.040 Cleveland's a. 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.000 Team you have to find out too. Yeah. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.320 But in the NFC, the team that makes the most 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.040 sense if they've got the money, I don't know what 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.520 their money looks like is the Giants. Oh I know, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.560 I want to see that, but the Giants, you know, 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.760 And the thing about Hopkins and Daniel Jones is a 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.440 is a good quarterback. Okay, he's not great, He's just 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.360 a good quarterback. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:21.720 But they got a lot out of him that I 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.600 didn't truth. They were gonna get. But I mean that 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:24.720 was coaching right there. 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:28.160 But if you play fantasy football and you've had Hopkins 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.200 on your team, you know this. It doesn't matter who 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.479 his quarterback is. He he's he produced. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.000 His high volume. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.680 That's the so it doesn't really matter who he's playing with. 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.800 And he's a bad ball catcher. So for a quarterback 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.160 that isn't the most accurate, he makes them look really, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.160 really good because he'll catch the ball. You put it 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.480 in his radius, and he's got along radius. You put 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:51.800 in his radius, he's going to catch it. 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.200 As we ask God, as we speak today. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.040 You remember that clip, sorry, you remember that clip of 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.480 him and D'Angelo Hall getting into a fire. Yeah, and 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.520 Hall wanted to fight him, and he just kept saying, 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:04.520 I fear God, I fear guy that like, I don't 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.200 fear anybody else but you. And then like five minutes later, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.240 he like gives them a double move. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.520 And it wasn't that the end of because we can't 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.720 a broadcaster after that. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:17.560 Yeah, uh, as we speak today. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.200 And this is just this is from overthecap dot com. 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:21.679 This is who I'll use. 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:22.760 They're good, Yeah, they're good. 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.880 Three point eight million dollars with the Giants on there. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:27.560 He don't have a lot of money on their cap 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.440 space right now. So that's where they're at. The Giants 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:30.920 are at three. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.280 Point the team like the Giants, if i'm them, I 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.160 would if if you're really wanting to do it, you 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.400 probably get rid of a couple of guys in order 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:39.840 to be able to pick up a guy like him, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.480 because he would be that that that person on their 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.440 offense outside of the running back, that could draw a 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.720 lot of attention, which I don't think they necessarily have 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:49.000 right now. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.280 They don't have a U If I'm reading this right, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.640 I think I am. Uh Wanda Robinson, who I believe 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.200 is in his second year is their. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.040 Highest priced receiver. Yeah, on that team. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.839 So to your everybody's point here, the Giants could absolutely 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:06.800 use some skill. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.360 And then and you mentioned the bad ball catcher. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.680 I mean that that's the one thing that I was 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.400 thinking about if you're adding for Dak. And again it's 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.600 people say, oh, you're saying Dak's a bad ball thrower. 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:18.360 No, I'm just. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.160 Saying, though, if things are off target, whether it's Dak 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.640 or Cooper Rush or whoever's throwing him the ball, he 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.959 has this ability to go get it, and his catch 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.400 radius is quite large for the position. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.520 Yep, all right, we're gonna take our first break. We're 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:36.360 gonna come back. 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I think 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:50.880 you saw some stats there during the break. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.520 I kind of loosely said it and thinking that sounds 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.280 about it, all right, Well, when you're a second team 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.000 All Pro, you know, I would think that's about where 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.840 you are, you know. But we looked up the stats. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.840 I was like, let me just see about this and 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:09.640 his receptions. He's sixth among receivers in in yards he's fourth, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.000 and in touchdowns he's fifth. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.080 So's to. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.480 Z Brian, where do you think he ranks? Like in 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.560 the pantheon of NFL receivers right now? 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:21.320 Where is he now? 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.400 Where where you when you look at him? Overall? 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.280 His ability to get open I think is at a 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:27.360 very very high level. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.240 His ability to make the catch. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:34.280 Is somewhere probably in the in the top five, six 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.400 seven area. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:37.880 I think that's the you know, that's the one. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.760 Yards after the catch is another one that you kind 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.960 of look at and you see that he'll make the 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:48.600 plays down the field, not much after the catch when 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.520 you when you talk, we saw that he won the 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:52.960 New England game with a catch that was after run 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.240 after catch, But most of his stuff has been down 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.040 the field, making the play, you know, securing the ball, 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.760 taking the hit and get down. But his ability to 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.600 get open stuff like he's in that range of either 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.240 five to eight when it comes to starting to compare 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:14.560 him with the metrics that teams use to evaluate receivers. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.240 You know, the top you say eight guys. Really when 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.560 you look at the six seven, eight guys, you're talking 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.840 about number two receivers on their own team. Waddle, yeah, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.360 and DeVante Smith, which those are both really good receivers, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.120 but I think it's really six guys Jefferson, Tyreek Hill, 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.760 DeVante Adams, AJ Brown, Steffon Diggs, CD Lamp wherever you 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.120 want top that's your top six and receiving yards, that's 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.360 your top six really for the most part in catches. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.080 So it's kind of what type of player you like. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.080 You know, watching that Texas OU game, the one that 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.400 ceed Lamb just went crazy for three touchdowns. I really 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.680 thought and there was a Kansas State game too, I 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.520 thought that CD would have a little more run after catch. Yeah, 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.360 but that hasn't really been his game. But I mean 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.920 he took last year. Was just he took that next 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.200 leap and we didn't know if he was gonna take it. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.320 You know, that was the big question going in and 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.640 he did. And so I think with that they're better. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.880 Yeah, I kind of when you when you start to 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.480 talk about is like a guy at Chrystal LaVey in 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:13.680 that group of eight. 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.080 You know, Chrystal Love is like. 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.240 A young guy and and and and a lot of 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.040 people's minds and stuff like that. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.640 He's not from the stats. But but let me throw 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.800 it because I'm finding him at eighteenth. And then I 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.680 saw somewhere here at seventeen a guy that only played 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.240 twelve games. He's got to be mentioned in this group too. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.320 Jamar Chase. Yeah, Jamar Chase is definitely in the exactly missed. Yeah, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.640 he missed some games. He only played out. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.640 Yeah, that's to me why I kind of look at eight. Yeah, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.120 I kind of there's there's some guys. I mean, I'm 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.680 a big I'm a big T Higgins fan, Yeah, from Cincinnati. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.120 And then you know and I and I. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.760 And you could even I hate to throw this in there, 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.400 but you could even the guy that doesn't get mentioned enough, 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.400 and because he plays in Seattle is Tyler Lockett. You know, 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:00.440 the guy that makes a lot of big play and 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.080 stuff like that. So I don't know, I'm just kind 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.280 of like, I've got this group of guys in my mind. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.439 But if you do you look at all the metrics 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.960 that people CD is is in that group with with 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.560 those say eight guys. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:17.560 Nick, you were talking in the break. I thought it 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.040 was interesting you were making a point of when he 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.880 in your mind, solidified himself as a number one. 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.960 Take a site out whenever you allow us to do 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.920 the Deep Blue documentary on CD, which will probably be 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.440 after he's gone till wait, we'll see. But I thought, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.680 I thought the moment and every player kind of has 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.800 that moment like that before. For me, his moment was 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:41.080 against the Giants last year, week three up in the Meadowlands. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.760 I think it was Week three. Cooper Rush was playing, 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.080 and at that point he hadn't really shown Hey, I 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:48.760 got to be the number one. I'm the number one 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.320 receiver because first game Tampa, nobody stepped up. Second game 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.159 was really Noah Brown against Cincinnati that did it. So 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:59.320 in this third game, Cooper, I mean, I'm sorry, Cooper Rush. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.320 He throws that deep ball to Ceedee Lamb streaking down 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.800 the field. Here's your moment. He drops it and it's 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:08.080 like everyone's looking around, like see he can't do it. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.120 And from that moment something clicked with him. He took 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.600 over the game. Like Brian said, he made a couple 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.440 of plays where you could tell he was just pissed off. 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.680 He was just running over people. That's not even his game. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.520 Makes a great touchdown catch from that moment. Then he 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.679 goes and has one hundred and seven catches for the season. 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:25.280 I thought it was that moment on Monday Night Football 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.760 that he said, you know what, I'm the dude and 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.119 I'm going to show everyone right here. Yeah, and I thought, 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.280 you know that that was kind of his coming out 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:33.920 party for that season. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.920 Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:38.239 He took over that that quarter there and then and 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.080 then all of a sudden that the Giants had no 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:40.960 answer for him. 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:42.600 There and that and that really was. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.560 The difference in that football game, his ability to make 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.840 those plays. But he's in that group we talk about 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.120 the Adams Cooper cups. I mean, he's in that that 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:52.879 cups that. 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.480 The injury I forgot about, that's what. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.480 Yeah, there's some guys like Cup, Chase others. I mean, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.280 it's a very very and that's the one thing that 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.440 the NFL drafts say the last maybe not, we'll see 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.879 this year with the NFL draft with the receivers, but 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.760 there have been some elite wide receivers put into the 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.800 league the last say three years pre this draft. I mean, 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:20.040 we'll see what happens with Addison and those guys. But man, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.400 you know there's still a very very high level there 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:27.960 when Adams and Cupp and Brown, well yeah I think 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:34.320 I think, yeah, so there there are that he but he. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.720 The group he's in, it doesn't take long to call 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.359 the role. It really really doesn't. 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.320 All right, Let's let's move on. Let's talk about the 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.160 wide receiver position from a little bit of a deeper standpoint. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.800 What do you think they were most missing last year? 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.840 That Brandon's that Brandon what's wrong that Brandon Cooks can't 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.119 provide for them? This year at the wide receiver position. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.040 You're you gonna say it. I mean, you can say 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:57.439 that's what they missed and missed the guy that can 0:19:57.520 --> 0:19:57.960 take plays. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:20:01.080 That's saying what did he provide that You think maybe 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.160 Brandon Cooks can't provide. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.400 A veteran leadership route runner, guy that can go out 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:09.120 there and produce hopefully at home and on the road. 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:10.720 And if he can do. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:11.840 That, were they getting that movie? 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.200 You're right, right, No, I just think just just another 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.280 guy that you have to kind of account for. And 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:19.119 you know, I remember when they played the Patriots, Belichick 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.240 made it clear that that that was the guy they 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:24.879 had to stop there with with uh and of course 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.119 they paid for it because he scored the touchdown. But 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:28.639 just veteran leadership at receiver. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:34.760 What's crazy is that now that and Hi, Hi guys, 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:37.400 I just kind of appear here. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.680 Now that some time has passed by. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.840 It's crazy to go back and think to think what 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.800 we thought of Amari Cooper at the time when he 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.800 was currently with the team and just the questions that 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:51.560 were around him. 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.440 I mean, regardless of. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.320 What he was doing for the team, there were those 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.640 questions where he wasn't consistent you know, we went out 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.199 on the road and he wasn't performing and was his 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.000 willingness or like, was he all in with football and 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.600 wanting to give it all his all and then all 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:12.840 of a sudden he's off the team. And we saw 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.000 last year how much it was missed having that type 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:20.080 of presence. That to me at the time and I 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.400 valued Amari Cooper, but I didn't really see how valuable 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.399 he truly was to the Cowboys and what he was 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.720 bringing on the offense as a whole, and what he 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.919 was being able to create for other guys as well. 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.280 And I know you guys were talking about Cde Lamb 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:36.560 earlier and he. 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.840 Did take that step up. We'll see. 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:42.199 I do believe he can carry it this year and 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.119 keep performing at that level, But can the other guys 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.160 kind of step up as well and create just more opportunities. 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.280 No, that's an excellent point, because what happened is you 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.000 got Ceedee Lamb going into that top eight level that 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.880 we were just talking about. And the problem was that 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.080 when you look at Michael Gallup, he was Noah Brown, 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:05.760 That's really what he was instead of instead of Michael 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:10.440 Gallup also elevating his game, if you statistically look at him, 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:16.000 targets and receptions are almost the same, yards, almost the same. 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:20.480 You know, you didn't need Gallup going backwards. And that's 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.440 what you hope that when you when you add new 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.920 blood to the room, and you hope that Gallup goes up. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.679 But you had one receiver that went to that level 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:32.720 and then one that was we thought might be at 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.520 that level sunk to a much lower level. 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:39.080 And now it made him have to think, wait a minute. 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:42.360 We talked about Cooks at the trade deadline last year. 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:46.600 Can we take a chance on Gallup and then also 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.840 Tolbert not elevating their game, we go we can't go 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.720 through that again, you know, and now with no Noah Brown. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.639 I mean, give Noah Brown a credit. Noah Brown played 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:57.720 his role. Nick's right. 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.480 He won the Cincinnati game for you the way play. 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:05.080 But that's Noah Brown you're comparing. If you statistically look 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.879 at the numbers, Michael Gallup and Noah Brown are the 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.960 same guy. You can't have that if you're going to 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.360 be a team that has bigger aspirations on offense. 0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:14.720 And with the money. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:20.199 MICHAELA yeah, I was gonna ask you guys. I know 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.760 it was a while but Michael Gallup, he talked to 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.439 the media not too long ago, and you know, he 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.040 was saying all the right things, basically saying he's feeling 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:33.000 a lot better last compared to last year, especially where 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:36.600 he was in pain basically the whole season and dealing 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.600 with that and the mental aspect of it. 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.560 And he says he's good and working there. But there 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:43.119 was one. 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.680 Specific quote that made me feel kind of hesitant at 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.680 the end, and this is one of the articles I 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.240 was put out on Dallas Cowois dot com. One of 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:54.679 his last quotes was I'm very confident I'll feel like 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.440 that guy again, And that kind of made me raise 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:03.320 an eyebrow, like in the future tense like I'll feel. 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:04.800 Rather than I'm feeling like that. 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.760 And we're getting close to training camp, so that made 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.800 me very concern as to where is he really going 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.119 to be at level wise, and I mean according to 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:19.240 his health and mentally as far as like what his 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.959 body is allowing him to do back on the field. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:25.880 I don't know what y'all's concerns are. 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.800 Yeah, I kind of feel like not kind of this 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:32.080 is an important year for him because contractually, if he 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.639 has another poor year, we're going to be talking about 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.080 this next year, about Okay, how do you replace this 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.280 guy and this guy? And he very well could be 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.680 in that conversation when you start to talk about what 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.280 the allocation for money is to a wide receiver position 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.439 that's not getting the production that they that they are 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:54.680 trying to get from him. So, you know, maybe maybe 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:58.760 his confidence level it doesn't want to oversell it. Maybe 0:24:58.800 --> 0:25:01.600 he doesn't want you to you know, maybe he doesn't 0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:03.560 want oh, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great. 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.000 And then he's not great. 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.520 Maybe his expectations are let me just kind of keep 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.600 it tempered here, and then as we elevate this thing, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.040 then it will be like I told you it was 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.359 going to it was going to take a little time here. 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.399 I think he's kind of keeping us down here and 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.520 then you know, and we'll see what the what the 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:24.800 actual playing turns into. 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.680 And I think players also know that how they feel 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:29.760 now and how they feel in the season are a 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:32.520 little different. So I think he's probably weighing it like that, 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.639 like when that season comes, you know, when the grind 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.200 is here in training camp in the season, I'll feel 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.200 like I'm supposed to feel, you know, because everybody that's 0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.640 feeling good now that they take it with a grain 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:45.960 of salt. So maybe that's kind of what he meant 0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:48.440 if he wasn't at one hundred percent, if that's kind 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.280 of what you're asking. If he wasn't at one hundred percent, 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.360 I think right here in these voluntary OTAs, I don't 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.640 think he'd be going as hard as as he has been, 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.480 and I think they would kind of hold him back. 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.040 So I think it was more about when the season, 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.040 when the when the real, when the lights come on, 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:04.640 I feel like I'll be there. 0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.520 I think, Yeah, I kind of took the same thing. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.399 I didn't really take it as I didn't read it 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:10.000 as literally as you did. I thought it was more 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:11.520 of him just pointing to the season, like by the 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.639 time I get to the season, I'll be there, not 0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:16.760 so much a matter of saying I'm not there now 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.200 as much as just saying I know that this year. 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:22.200 My expectation is this season, you're going to see a 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:22.680 different player. 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.359 And it's what the fans want to hear, because if 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.040 you say I'm killing it right. 0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:26.840 Now, see that. 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.719 I've heard that with Tyren Smith. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.920 Word these are all words, and these are all hopes 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.280 until we see them actually play out on the field. 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.719 I just think that what he was pointing to is 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.320 I think this year, I'm going to be back to 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:41.960 where I was, and actually that. 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:42.440 Is the case. 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.959 Yeah, well good, I feel good at by y'all's interpretation 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.040 of that. But I actually liked everything that he said 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.960 when he spoke because it felt very real and open 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.040 and just someone that was being pretty transparent as to 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.880 where he's at and where he was that you, I mean, 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:04.080 we sit here and watch him play and criticize all 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.600 we want, but we don't truly, ever really know what 0:27:07.760 --> 0:27:10.600 the player is going through. So it just put things 0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.960 into perspective. But again, it makes you wonder. Okay, obviously 0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.640 they must feel some type of confidence with him by 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:21.399 giving him that contract, but at the same time, he 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:23.359 is he truly gonna be ready. 0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:25.320 Yeah, that's the difficulty of our job. 0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.280 You know, we sit here and evaluate how they play, 0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.280 but you're right, you don't know what they're going through 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.240 in meetings, you don't know what they're going through off 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:35.720 the field. You don't know all that. That's that is 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.800 the unfortunate part of our job. You know, we were 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:42.720 all you know, we've We've seen Britt Brown and players 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.080 come off that field after injuries and then play at 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:46.800 a high level. 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.560 We've seen that before. 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.240 So you automatically in your mind, you're going, he'll be back, 0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:53.080 he'll be ready to go, and then and then it 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.400 doesn't happen, and then we're critical about it. You're kind 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.240 of like, Okay, did we miss something here? But yeah, 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:02.199 I think we're a huge disadvantage when it comes to 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:08.400 is there something else other than football that's bothering these 0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.040 players that we don't know and that could affect the 0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.119 way they play and the way we evaluate him, fair 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:14.880 or unfair. 0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:18.640 Another guy that was disappointed in his season last year 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:22.240 by his own admission, as Jalen Tolbert, how confident are 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.480 you guys that the Cowboys got the pick right and 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.080 he just needs more time to develop. 0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:29.520 I know I did, and I know I'm the guy 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.000 in this panel that looks at this stuff, especially with 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.000 the draft and the Draft Show and all the things 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.439 we do. I thought it was an excellent pick at 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.640 the time. When I saw this kid play at South Alabama, 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:42.520 I saw a guy with a chip on his shoulder. 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:44.800 I saw a guy that played at a very high level. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.480 When it came to how he competed for the ball, 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.080 how he went and got it, how he finished routes, 0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.440 how he was able to run after catch, the. 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.160 Catch radius, all all those things checked the boxes. 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.200 The Cowboys thought about him in the second round, they 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.360 saw basically the same thing. 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:02.680 I think personally it was a huge. 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:06.760 Disappointment because we've seen receivers come into the league, especially 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.760 young receivers in this day and age, and be ready 0:29:09.760 --> 0:29:10.840 to play from the jump. 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:12.560 He was not ready to play. 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.880 The fact that he was missing OTA's many can't practices. 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.320 He was over there with Washington, they were over there 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.960 with britt Brown rehabbing feet and ankles and whatever else 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.640 they were dealing with. You know, that point in time 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.280 when he didn't get that initial field work. I think 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.600 it affected him. The minute they started throwing him into 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.440 the deep end of the pool. He wasn't able to swim. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:38.400 And I think now through everything that he's seen and 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.560 the expectations that have been put on him, he now 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:44.040 realizes what's ahead of him and this is a really 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:45.520 important year for him as well. 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:47.600 Yeah, I mean, he's done it before. I've said this 0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.400 many times on here. I don't know. I mean I'm 0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.600 sure I'm repeating myself, but he had five catches his 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.960 freshman year of South Alabama. Can't he had some kind 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.560 of struggle there on that level, that competition and the 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.120 learning curve wasn't there for him. The next year he 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.520 had fifty five, the next year he had eighty. So 0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:08.560 he figured it out there on Okay, what am I 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.160 doing and how do I get comfortable enough to start 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:15.200 making plays? Big jump obviously from South Alabama to the Cowboys, 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:18.600 But it's happened before where if it matters to you, 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.480 you'll do the necessary things to get there. And he 0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.800 says the right things. He said it all off season. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.480 Now it's time to perform, so we'll see. I think 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.880 the jury is still out. Third round pick. You know, 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.120 he should have played more, figure out where to line up, 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.920 all that kind of stuff. But I think, you know, 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.480 we've seen Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown do it. They 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.000 go to the dockyard and they just get comfortable with 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:43.320 Dak and they get better players. If he can kind 0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.920 of get to the Cedric Wilson level, I think that 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:47.320 would be that would be fine. 0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.280 Well, that's the thing that I think you begin to 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:55.400 appreciate and root for someone that is admitting things, is 0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:00.120 recognizing things, is saying what everyone thinks, you know. So 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.640 I appreciate that from him, and I am rooting for him, 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.280 and I do think he's going to be a lot 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.320 better as opposed to And it's hard not to give 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:10.920 your support when you meet someone and you hear those 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:14.400 words and you connect with the player as opposed to 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:15.800 someone like that's. 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:19.040 Telling you to watch the tape. Yeah, like I Jalen Smith, But. 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.120 You know he's not that type of player, and you're 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.680 willing to give him another year. Let's see what you 0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:26.760 can do because you see him putting in the work. 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.840 He's willing to do it, and he's putting all that 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.400 effort and he's maturing. That's another thing, the maturity of it, 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:36.560 where as opposed to last year, he may not have 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:41.440 felt very comfortable confident in that kind of room with 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.720 these guys that he sees as stars, and now he's 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.120 how do you say that acclimating acclimated? I was gonna 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:54.480 say it in Spanish acclimatal. But yes, I think I 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.920 think I truly believe that he'll be better this year. 0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.280 Well, the organization thought enough of him. They didn't pick 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.440 a wide receiver in a draft until the seventh round. Ye, 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.200 and the receiver they picked was really a special teams 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.800 guy too. Guy that's a you know, it does a 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.040 lot of work on those special teams. 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Who 0:35:23.920 --> 0:35:24.879 is the complete. 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.719 Mating From a standpoint of how much you want to 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:29.640 lock in the field, you can tell me, you can 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.880 decide that, but how much you want them on the field, 0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.120 how would you rank them? 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.080 That is a tough question because it's not it's sometimes 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.440 it's third and two and sometimes it's third and twelve, 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.200 and that's a different guy. Yep, And that is it. 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.359 I mean that's a question. Yeah, I think it is. 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.640 I think it is. On third and twelve, I'll take Hindershot. 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.719 I like nder shots stretching the field for me, yeah, 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.919 and kind of spread out a little bit. On third 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.719 and two, I think I'll take Schoonmaker. I don't know 0:35:57.840 --> 0:35:58.880 that yet, but I think so. 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:01.000 I would the way I would rank him as far 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.400 as completeness. And this is just because I've seen Schoonmaker 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.960 at Michigan catch the football, and I think that's a very. 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.320 Underrated trait to his game. 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.920 Schoonmaker hindershot Ferguson is how I would rank it if 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:15.759 you told me I could have Okay, I can only 0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.520 play one tight end, and if I play that tight end. 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.440 He can block and he can catch. 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.239 So I'm going with the guy that I know that 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.320 can do both, and Schoonmaker hasn't done it in the NFL. 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:27.880 I get it. 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.600 Schoonmaker did play at a very high level Michigan football, 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.720 very high level, played in playoff games, you know, national 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.360 championship type of consequences for games. 0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.239 He's been a productive receiver. But I feel like. 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:42.280 If you would not take him off the field because 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:47.320 he's not going to be a liability as a blocker, damn. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:52.799 What I'm not. I'm thinking of that scenario because that's the. 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:54.960 Only advantage I have over you guys right now. 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:56.840 Well, I feel like coming out of the draft, I 0:36:56.840 --> 0:37:01.960 mean a lot of the criticism for Schoonmaker or analysis 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:06.680 type of stuff was about him being a catch make 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.520 like a guy that can go and catch the ball. 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.280 I mean one of the main traits were the blocking. 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:17.360 But I mean, I trust your opinion because you watch 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.000 all that, all those tapes. 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:20.560 But to me, I'm. 0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:25.120 Sticking with Ferguson as my main guy first, and then 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.120 I would probably try a scoom Maker, and then Hendershot third, 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.000 and then McKean last. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.000 Wait, how many titands would you keep? 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.719 Only? I think you keep three? Because three? 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:36.960 Right? 0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:38.960 But the problem they're going to run into is do 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:40.120 they keep the full back? 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:40.480 Yeah? 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:46.000 That's because if you watch the praise that we throw 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.520 on the San Francisco forty nine ers is because of 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.400 what Kyle Ustcheck does. And Kyle's us Check is a 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.240 is a guy that plays full back, he plays wing, 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.920 he plays tight end, he plays He's this interchangeable piece 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:04.040 that just wrecks your scheme on defense because they'll put 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.839 him at tight end or wing and now you have 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:08.720 to account for him. And then you have to count 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:12.040 for Deebo Samuel now being in the backfield the way 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.000 that they played with a fullback. And let's see if 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.040 that's what that's Let's see if that's what uh you 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.680 know what Mike has played with. 0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:19.720 Full backs before. 0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:23.400 So if they carry the full back, that that means 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.400 to me, it's only three tight ends. That's that's the 0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.680 only way you carry I mean, if you didn't have 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:30.640 a full back, maybe you carry a four. 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.640 Title well, and you know, rewind it back a whole year. 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.240 And we're talking tight ends, I mean Hendershots not even mentioned. 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.040 We're not even talking about that, and notun till we 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:42.120 got the training camp do we see that? And and 0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.120 I know I've talked to tight end coach Linda Wells 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:49.400 and he said, watch out for fans Princeton fan, Prince 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.799 fan from Tennessee, undrafted free agent. He's a dynamic kind 0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.799 of playmaker type guy. So you know, I mean, you 0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.279 never know how how that all shakes out. But this 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.600 is what I'd like to see a training camp. I 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:02.160 want to see. 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:03.479 Well, let me ask you this real quick. 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.200 As you mentioned him, to watch who does he replace 0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:07.880 if they carry three tight end? 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.799 Yeah, the guy the guy that got hurt in the 0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:12.640 third practice of training camp. I mean, I don't know, 0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:13.440 I don't know. 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.680 I mean, these things kind of work themselves out sometimes. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.480 If you had to take away if. 0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:19.600 They're not gonna lose Scoon Maker, if you had to 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:23.400 take away Ferguson or hinder Shot and say that fant 0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:27.440 was that guy, and you can only carry three, they 0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:28.160 gotta get hurt. 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:30.399 Wouldn't matter. What wouldn't matter? 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:31.839 This goes to what you were just talking about though, 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.680 wouldn't matter from a standpoint of what does fant do well? 0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:36.160 Like? 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.440 Is he more of a blocker? Is a pass catcher? 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.439 And that affects who that third guy might be. 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:42.799 I'm just playing the game of tight end coach telling 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.040 me to watch a guy. Yeah, and if Titan, if 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.080 this guy lives up to tight end billing, you're not 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:50.280 going to get rid of schoon maker And it's gonna 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.680 come down now. Maybe it comes down to you don't 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.960 carry the full back and you carry four guys. We've 0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.720 seen them do that before. They you're thinking they can't 0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.719 carry five safeties? They carry five? They Yeah, So to me, 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:03.680 I was just trying to I was trying to pin 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.319 you on who between Ferguson and Hit or Shot do 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:12.239 you feel the less? If does everything that Linda Well 0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:15.680 says he can do, which one of these tight ends 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.040 do you move on from if you can only carry three? 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.279 Yeah? I mean what I was going to say is 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:22.560 what I want to see a training camp is I 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.400 want to see Jake Ferguson and I'm sure hender Shott 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.560 will be with him riding around in a golf cart 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.480 all the time. Because if you get a golf cart 0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:33.960 training camp, I think this is still the rule is 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.200 because you kicked ass in the offseason, you're one of 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.640 the off season award winners. That's kind of what they do. 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.160 The strength coach gives you your own golf cart and 0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.120 all that. That's what I want to see because if 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:47.240 Ferguson can be an off season warrior with the strength 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.160 Coach and all that, that's going to take him to 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.640 that next level I think as a better blocker, as 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.320 a better complete tied end, because the guy's hurtling people 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:58.480 in the middle of the season too. Like he can 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.400 make plays, he just needs a little bit more strength 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:03.799 than it's blocking. If Ferguson can kind of take that 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:06.399 next step, he jumps into that mix too. 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.920 The thing about it is, if you just believe in metrics, 0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:15.200 sixty nine percent of hindershots he makes like he's right 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.960 about sixty eight sixty nine percent catching the football. 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.480 The other guy's about eighty four eighty five. 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.719 You know, so that if you're saying okay, because if 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:28.040 the numbers are basically the same. But if you believe 0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:30.719 in the metrics, like well, who catches the better percentage 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.520 of balls thrown in their direction, it would be Ferguson 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:35.439 would be that guy. 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.200 Hendershott needs to work on those penalties. He had a 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.440 lot of penalties for a guy that didn't take every snap. 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:43.680 You know, when you look at you know percent And 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:46.640 I haven't looked at this stat but Joseph would probably 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.880 be first in as far as penalties versus your snaps. 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.400 And Sam Williams is up there, and Donovan Wilson had 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.439 a lot of snaps. But I mean and also also 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.480 hinder shot those guys right there, got you know, young 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.160 players got to work on on the discipline a little bit. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.160 So we'll do this before we end the show. He 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.680 lost Schultz, you add it, schoonmaker. Are they better, worse 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:08.600 or the same than they were in twenty twenty two? 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:13.799 Better, I'll say the same. I'll say the same. But 0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.640 just because Schultz had some stats and he caught the 0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.040 ball well and all that, and that's what that's all 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:23.040 he did, really, I mean, just he made some catches 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.240 and all that, and then but I think they're gonna 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.440 be I think they could be better. But because of 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:30.960 you know that they're still young players. I would just 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:32.400 say the same, But I'm not going to say that 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:33.080 they're worse. 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:34.480 Why do you say they're better, Brian. 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.920 I'd say they're better because they added a more complete player. 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.000 I do believe he I believe he catches the football 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:41.960 well enough. I think they'll find ways to get him 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:44.040 the ball. I think he is one of those point 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.680 of attack blockers. You watch the teams that run the 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:50.200 football really well in the National Football League, it's guys 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:51.640 that do well at the point of attack. 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.600 Schoonmaker is going to be that guy for this football team. 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.520 He's replacing Dalton Schultz, who can catch the football, knows 0:42:58.560 --> 0:43:00.359 how to get open. But all these guys know how 0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:02.360 to get open, they know how to can they finish 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.920 the play? But can they block? Can they help the 0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.600 running game? Can they be complete players? 0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:09.560 They got better by adding Schoonmaker. 0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:15.680 Right now, I feel like it's the same just because 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:16.239 I don't know. 0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.799 I haven't seen Schoonmaker just yet. I haven't. I don't know. 0:43:19.880 --> 0:43:21.200 It's if it's gonna. 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:25.399 Take him the first year to kind of get as 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.320 he does. But you still have some of those rookies 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.320 that come in here and it still takes them a 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.960 little bit to get going. And it's gonna all come 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:38.279 down to how many snaps and opportunities does he get 0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.959 to be on the field. Uh, and take that away 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.080 from the other two guys. 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.080 So I just don't know yet. 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.960 Right now, I feel like they can be better than 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:49.719 last year, but at the moment, they're the same. 0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.759 All right, appreciate you guys joinas we are back next week. 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.800 We'll have our final show before our little break before 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.719 training camp. 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