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Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, May thirty, first, twenty twenty three, season nineteen,

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Speaker 4: episode number nine. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 4: We're a live from the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star.

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Speaker 4: Got Nick and Brian here with me and we should

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Speaker 4: be joining us here momentarily. Today we continue our twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty three off season review. We will hit the positions

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Speaker 4: of wide receiver, tight end, might even have a little

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Speaker 4: bit of kicker talking there. Before next week we wrap

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Speaker 4: up our off season shows with some with a look

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Speaker 4: get ready for a little bit of rest and relaxation

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Speaker 4: before we had to training camp in late July.

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Speaker 2: All right, how you guys doing today? Good? Excellent?

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Speaker 5: Roll?

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir? All right, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk first before we get into our season review,

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Speaker 4: I do want to talk about a topic that popped

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Speaker 4: up this last week. One DeAndre DeAndre Hopkins, wide receiver

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Speaker 4: that was with the Arizona Cardinals and is now a

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Speaker 2: That's a key word. He's a free agent.

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Speaker 4: He is now a free agency now Bryant officially, you

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Speaker 4: can mention his name, you can talk about him as

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Speaker 4: much as you like. There you go, what do you

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Speaker 4: see from DeAndre Hopkins as far as where he is

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Speaker 4: right now as a player versus what he was when

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the thing with DeAndre Hopkins is if

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Speaker 2: His ability to make the contested catches.

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Speaker 6: So what you have with DeAndre Hopkins is a very

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Speaker 6: Buffalo talks about it, Kansas City talks about it. You know,

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Speaker 6: there's all kinds you could get odds on all kinds

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Speaker 4: Would you think he'd be a fit here in Dallas

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Speaker 7: And Odell Beckham's contract showed him and the rest of

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Speaker 7: And that's the well it was fifteen million a year

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Speaker 7: I don't I knew I should have looked this stat

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Speaker 6: If I could circle back, I did have somebody in

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Speaker 6: But this gentleman said, depends on what he's asking for,

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Speaker 6: play last year. Hopkins is probably once to be paid regardless,

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Speaker 2: The Brandon Cooks. I see what they did.

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Speaker 6: They wanted Brandon Cooks. They wanted Brandon Cooks at the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Hopkins obviously, you know, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 7: just probably a better fit with more money for Hopkins

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're probably teams that are willing to pay him

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Speaker 6: Long I think we're to the point now too where

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Speaker 2: But they got a lot out of him that I

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Speaker 7: But if you play fantasy football and you've had Hopkins

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Speaker 7: That's the so it doesn't really matter who he's playing with.

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Speaker 4: And he's a bad ball catcher. So for a quarterback

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Speaker 2: As we ask God, as we speak today.

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Speaker 7: You remember that clip, sorry, you remember that clip of

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Speaker 7: him and D'Angelo Hall getting into a fire. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: And it wasn't that the end of because we can't

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Speaker 6: Yeah, uh, as we speak today.

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Speaker 2: And this is just this is from overthecap dot com.

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Speaker 2: This is who I'll use.

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Speaker 7: They're good, Yeah, they're good.

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Speaker 6: Three point eight million dollars with the Giants on there.

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Speaker 6: He don't have a lot of money on their cap

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Speaker 6: space right now. So that's where they're at. The Giants

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Speaker 4: would if if you're really wanting to do it, you

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Speaker 7: You know, the top you say eight guys. Really when

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Speaker 7: He's not from the stats. But but let me throw

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Speaker 4: What do you think they were most missing last year?

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Speaker 4: That Brandon's that Brandon what's wrong that Brandon Cooks can't

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Speaker 7: You're you gonna say it. I mean, you can say

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Speaker 7: And if he can do.

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Speaker 2: That, were they getting that movie?

440
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 7: You're right, right, No, I just think just just another

441
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 7: guy that you have to kind of account for. And

442
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 7: you know, I remember when they played the Patriots, Belichick

443
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 7: made it clear that that that was the guy they

444
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 7: had to stop there with with uh and of course

445
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,119
Speaker 7: they paid for it because he scored the touchdown. But

446
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 7: just veteran leadership at receiver.

447
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 5: What's crazy is that now that and Hi, Hi guys,

448
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,400
Speaker 5: I just kind of appear here.

449
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 13: Now that some time has passed by.

450
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 5: It's crazy to go back and think to think what

451
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 5: we thought of Amari Cooper at the time when he

452
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 5: was currently with the team and just the questions that

453
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 5: were around him.

454
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 13: I mean, regardless of.

455
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 5: What he was doing for the team, there were those

456
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,640
Speaker 5: questions where he wasn't consistent you know, we went out

457
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 5: on the road and he wasn't performing and was his

458
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 5: willingness or like, was he all in with football and

459
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 5: wanting to give it all his all and then all

460
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 5: of a sudden he's off the team. And we saw

461
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 5: last year how much it was missed having that type

462
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 5: of presence. That to me at the time and I

463
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 5: valued Amari Cooper, but I didn't really see how valuable

464
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 5: he truly was to the Cowboys and what he was

465
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 5: bringing on the offense as a whole, and what he

466
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 5: was being able to create for other guys as well.

467
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Speaker 5: And I know you guys were talking about Cde Lamb

468
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 5: earlier and he.

469
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 13: Did take that step up. We'll see.

470
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Speaker 5: I do believe he can carry it this year and

471
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 5: keep performing at that level, But can the other guys

472
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 5: kind of step up as well and create just more opportunities.

473
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Speaker 6: No, that's an excellent point, because what happened is you

474
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 6: got Ceedee Lamb going into that top eight level that

475
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 6: we were just talking about. And the problem was that

476
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 6: when you look at Michael Gallup, he was Noah Brown,

477
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 6: That's really what he was instead of instead of Michael

478
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 6: Gallup also elevating his game, if you statistically look at him,

479
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 6: targets and receptions are almost the same, yards, almost the same.

480
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 6: You know, you didn't need Gallup going backwards. And that's

481
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 6: what you hope that when you when you add new

482
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 6: blood to the room, and you hope that Gallup goes up.

483
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 6: But you had one receiver that went to that level

484
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 6: and then one that was we thought might be at

485
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 6: that level sunk to a much lower level.

486
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Speaker 2: And now it made him have to think, wait a minute.

487
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 6: We talked about Cooks at the trade deadline last year.

488
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 6: Can we take a chance on Gallup and then also

489
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 6: Tolbert not elevating their game, we go we can't go

490
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 6: through that again, you know, and now with no Noah Brown.

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, give Noah Brown a credit. Noah Brown played

492
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Speaker 2: his role. Nick's right.

493
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 6: He won the Cincinnati game for you the way play.

494
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 6: But that's Noah Brown you're comparing. If you statistically look

495
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 6: at the numbers, Michael Gallup and Noah Brown are the

496
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 6: same guy. You can't have that if you're going to

497
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 6: be a team that has bigger aspirations on offense.

498
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: And with the money.

499
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 5: MICHAELA yeah, I was gonna ask you guys. I know

500
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 5: it was a while but Michael Gallup, he talked to

501
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: the media not too long ago, and you know, he

502
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 5: was saying all the right things, basically saying he's feeling

503
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 5: a lot better last compared to last year, especially where

504
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: he was in pain basically the whole season and dealing

505
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 5: with that and the mental aspect of it.

506
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 13: And he says he's good and working there. But there

507
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 13: was one.

508
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 5: Specific quote that made me feel kind of hesitant at

509
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 5: the end, and this is one of the articles I

510
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 5: was put out on Dallas Cowois dot com. One of

511
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 5: his last quotes was I'm very confident I'll feel like

512
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 5: that guy again, And that kind of made me raise

513
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 5: an eyebrow, like in the future tense like I'll feel.

514
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 13: Rather than I'm feeling like that.

515
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 5: And we're getting close to training camp, so that made

516
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 5: me very concern as to where is he really going

517
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 5: to be at level wise, and I mean according to

518
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: his health and mentally as far as like what his

519
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,959
Speaker 5: body is allowing him to do back on the field.

520
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 5: I don't know what y'all's concerns are.

521
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of feel like not kind of this

522
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 6: is an important year for him because contractually, if he

523
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 6: has another poor year, we're going to be talking about

524
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 6: this next year, about Okay, how do you replace this

525
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 6: guy and this guy? And he very well could be

526
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 6: in that conversation when you start to talk about what

527
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 6: the allocation for money is to a wide receiver position

528
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 6: that's not getting the production that they that they are

529
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 6: trying to get from him. So, you know, maybe maybe

530
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 6: his confidence level it doesn't want to oversell it. Maybe

531
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 6: he doesn't want you to you know, maybe he doesn't

532
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 6: want oh, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great, I'm great.

533
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: And then he's not great.

534
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 6: Maybe his expectations are let me just kind of keep

535
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 6: it tempered here, and then as we elevate this thing,

536
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 6: then it will be like I told you it was

537
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 6: going to it was going to take a little time here.

538
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 6: I think he's kind of keeping us down here and

539
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 6: then you know, and we'll see what the what the

540
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 6: actual playing turns into.

541
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Speaker 7: And I think players also know that how they feel

542
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 7: now and how they feel in the season are a

543
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 7: little different. So I think he's probably weighing it like that,

544
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 7: like when that season comes, you know, when the grind

545
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 7: is here in training camp in the season, I'll feel

546
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 7: like I'm supposed to feel, you know, because everybody that's

547
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 7: feeling good now that they take it with a grain

548
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 7: of salt. So maybe that's kind of what he meant

549
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 7: if he wasn't at one hundred percent, if that's kind

550
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 7: of what you're asking. If he wasn't at one hundred percent,

551
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 7: I think right here in these voluntary OTAs, I don't

552
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 7: think he'd be going as hard as as he has been,

553
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 7: and I think they would kind of hold him back.

554
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 7: So I think it was more about when the season,

555
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 7: when the when the real, when the lights come on,

556
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 7: I feel like I'll be there.

557
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I kind of took the same thing.

558
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: I didn't really take it as I didn't read it

559
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 4: as literally as you did. I thought it was more

560
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 4: of him just pointing to the season, like by the

561
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: time I get to the season, I'll be there, not

562
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: so much a matter of saying I'm not there now

563
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 4: as much as just saying I know that this year.

564
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 4: My expectation is this season, you're going to see a

565
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 4: different player.

566
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 7: And it's what the fans want to hear, because if

567
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 7: you say I'm killing it right.

568
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: Now, see that.

569
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 13: I've heard that with Tyren Smith.

570
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 4: Word these are all words, and these are all hopes

571
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: until we see them actually play out on the field.

572
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 4: I just think that what he was pointing to is

573
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Speaker 4: I think this year, I'm going to be back to

574
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: where I was, and actually that.

575
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: Is the case.

576
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, well good, I feel good at by y'all's interpretation

577
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: of that. But I actually liked everything that he said

578
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 5: when he spoke because it felt very real and open

579
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 5: and just someone that was being pretty transparent as to

580
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 5: where he's at and where he was that you, I mean,

581
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 5: we sit here and watch him play and criticize all

582
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 5: we want, but we don't truly, ever really know what

583
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 5: the player is going through. So it just put things

584
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 5: into perspective. But again, it makes you wonder. Okay, obviously

585
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 5: they must feel some type of confidence with him by

586
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 5: giving him that contract, but at the same time, he

587
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 5: is he truly gonna be ready.

588
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the difficulty of our job.

589
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 6: You know, we sit here and evaluate how they play,

590
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 6: but you're right, you don't know what they're going through

591
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 6: in meetings, you don't know what they're going through off

592
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 6: the field. You don't know all that. That's that is

593
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 6: the unfortunate part of our job. You know, we were

594
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 6: all you know, we've We've seen Britt Brown and players

595
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 6: come off that field after injuries and then play at

596
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 6: a high level.

597
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: We've seen that before.

598
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 6: So you automatically in your mind, you're going, he'll be back,

599
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 6: he'll be ready to go, and then and then it

600
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 6: doesn't happen, and then we're critical about it. You're kind

601
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 6: of like, Okay, did we miss something here? But yeah,

602
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 6: I think we're a huge disadvantage when it comes to

603
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 6: is there something else other than football that's bothering these

604
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 6: players that we don't know and that could affect the

605
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 6: way they play and the way we evaluate him, fair

606
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 6: or unfair.

607
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 4: Another guy that was disappointed in his season last year

608
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: by his own admission, as Jalen Tolbert, how confident are

609
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: you guys that the Cowboys got the pick right and

610
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: he just needs more time to develop.

611
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: I know I did, and I know I'm the guy

612
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 6: in this panel that looks at this stuff, especially with

613
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 6: the draft and the Draft Show and all the things

614
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 6: we do. I thought it was an excellent pick at

615
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 6: the time. When I saw this kid play at South Alabama,

616
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 6: I saw a guy with a chip on his shoulder.

617
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: I saw a guy that played at a very high level.

618
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 6: When it came to how he competed for the ball,

619
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 6: how he went and got it, how he finished routes,

620
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 6: how he was able to run after catch, the.

621
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: Catch radius, all all those things checked the boxes.

622
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 6: The Cowboys thought about him in the second round, they

623
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 6: saw basically the same thing.

624
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: I think personally it was a huge.

625
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 6: Disappointment because we've seen receivers come into the league, especially

626
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: young receivers in this day and age, and be ready

627
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: to play from the jump.

628
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: He was not ready to play.

629
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 6: The fact that he was missing OTA's many can't practices.

630
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: He was over there with Washington, they were over there

631
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 6: with britt Brown rehabbing feet and ankles and whatever else

632
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 6: they were dealing with. You know, that point in time

633
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 6: when he didn't get that initial field work. I think

634
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 6: it affected him. The minute they started throwing him into

635
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 6: the deep end of the pool. He wasn't able to swim.

636
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 6: And I think now through everything that he's seen and

637
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 6: the expectations that have been put on him, he now

638
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: realizes what's ahead of him and this is a really

639
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 6: important year for him as well.

640
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, he's done it before. I've said this

641
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 7: many times on here. I don't know. I mean I'm

642
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 7: sure I'm repeating myself, but he had five catches his

643
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 7: freshman year of South Alabama. Can't he had some kind

644
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 7: of struggle there on that level, that competition and the

645
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 7: learning curve wasn't there for him. The next year he

646
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 7: had fifty five, the next year he had eighty. So

647
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 7: he figured it out there on Okay, what am I

648
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 7: doing and how do I get comfortable enough to start

649
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 7: making plays? Big jump obviously from South Alabama to the Cowboys,

650
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 7: But it's happened before where if it matters to you,

651
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 7: you'll do the necessary things to get there. And he

652
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 7: says the right things. He said it all off season.

653
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 7: Now it's time to perform, so we'll see. I think

654
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 7: the jury is still out. Third round pick. You know,

655
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 7: he should have played more, figure out where to line up,

656
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff. But I think, you know,

657
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 7: we've seen Cedric Wilson and Noah Brown do it. They

658
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 7: go to the dockyard and they just get comfortable with

659
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Speaker 13: Telling you to watch the tape. Yeah, like I Jalen Smith, But.

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Speaker 5: You know he's not that type of player, and you're

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Speaker 5: He's willing to do it, and he's putting all that

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Speaker 6: Well, the organization thought enough of him. They didn't pick

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Speaker 4: the tight end position. I want to start with this question.

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Speaker 4: If you were to ranked the three tight ends that

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Speaker 4: are the projected top three tight ends on this team,

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Speaker 4: how would you rank them between Schoonmaker, Ferguson, Hindershot.

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Speaker 2: How would you rank them?

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Speaker 6: How are we going to do it? Is it going

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Speaker 6: to be are you asking the complete tight end? Who

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Speaker 6: is the complete.

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Speaker 4: Mating From a standpoint of how much you want to

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Speaker 4: lock in the field, you can tell me, you can

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Speaker 4: decide that, but how much you want them on the field,

764
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Speaker 4: how would you rank them?

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Speaker 7: That is a tough question because it's not it's sometimes

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Speaker 7: it's third and two and sometimes it's third and twelve,

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Speaker 7: and that's a different guy. Yep, And that is it.

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Speaker 7: I mean that's a question. Yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 7: I think it is. On third and twelve, I'll take Hindershot.

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Speaker 7: I like nder shots stretching the field for me, yeah,

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Speaker 7: and kind of spread out a little bit. On third

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Speaker 7: and two, I think I'll take Schoonmaker. I don't know

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Speaker 7: that yet, but I think so.

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Speaker 6: I would the way I would rank him as far

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Speaker 6: as completeness. And this is just because I've seen Schoonmaker

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Speaker 6: at Michigan catch the football, and I think that's a very.

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Speaker 2: Underrated trait to his game.

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Speaker 6: Schoonmaker hindershot Ferguson is how I would rank it if

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Speaker 6: you told me I could have Okay, I can only

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Speaker 6: play one tight end, and if I play that tight end.

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Speaker 2: He can block and he can catch.

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Speaker 6: So I'm going with the guy that I know that

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Speaker 6: can do both, and Schoonmaker hasn't done it in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 6: Schoonmaker did play at a very high level Michigan football,

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Speaker 6: very high level, played in playoff games, you know, national

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Speaker 6: championship type of consequences for games.

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Speaker 2: He's been a productive receiver. But I feel like.

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Speaker 6: If you would not take him off the field because

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Speaker 6: he's not going to be a liability as a blocker, damn.

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Speaker 13: What I'm not. I'm thinking of that scenario because that's the.

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Speaker 2: Only advantage I have over you guys right now.

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Speaker 5: Well, I feel like coming out of the draft, I

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Speaker 5: mean a lot of the criticism for Schoonmaker or analysis

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Speaker 5: type of stuff was about him being a catch make

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Speaker 5: like a guy that can go and catch the ball.

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Speaker 5: I mean one of the main traits were the blocking.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I trust your opinion because you watch

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Speaker 5: all that, all those tapes.

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Speaker 13: But to me, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Sticking with Ferguson as my main guy first, and then

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Speaker 5: I would probably try a scoom Maker, and then Hendershot third,

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Speaker 5: and then McKean last.

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Speaker 13: Wait, how many titands would you keep?

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Speaker 2: Only? I think you keep three? Because three?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: But the problem they're going to run into is do

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Speaker 2: they keep the full back?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: That's because if you watch the praise that we throw

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Speaker 6: on the San Francisco forty nine ers is because of

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Speaker 6: what Kyle Ustcheck does. And Kyle's us Check is a

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Speaker 6: is a guy that plays full back, he plays wing,

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Speaker 6: he plays tight end, he plays He's this interchangeable piece

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Speaker 6: that just wrecks your scheme on defense because they'll put

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Speaker 6: him at tight end or wing and now you have

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Speaker 6: to account for him. And then you have to count

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Speaker 6: for Deebo Samuel now being in the backfield the way

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Speaker 6: that they played with a fullback. And let's see if

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Speaker 6: that's what that's Let's see if that's what uh you

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Speaker 6: know what Mike has played with.

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Speaker 2: Full backs before.

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Speaker 6: So if they carry the full back, that that means

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Speaker 6: to me, it's only three tight ends. That's that's the

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Speaker 6: only way you carry I mean, if you didn't have

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Speaker 6: a full back, maybe you carry a four.

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Speaker 7: Title well, and you know, rewind it back a whole year.

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Speaker 7: And we're talking tight ends, I mean Hendershots not even mentioned.

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Speaker 7: We're not even talking about that, and notun till we

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Speaker 7: got the training camp do we see that? And and

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Speaker 7: I know I've talked to tight end coach Linda Wells

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Speaker 7: and he said, watch out for fans Princeton fan, Prince

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Speaker 7: fan from Tennessee, undrafted free agent. He's a dynamic kind

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Speaker 7: of playmaker type guy. So you know, I mean, you

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Speaker 7: never know how how that all shakes out. But this

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Speaker 7: is what I'd like to see a training camp. I

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Speaker 7: want to see.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this real quick.

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned him, to watch who does he replace

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Speaker 6: if they carry three tight end?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the guy the guy that got hurt in the

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Speaker 7: third practice of training camp. I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these things kind of work themselves out sometimes.

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Speaker 2: If you had to take away if.

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Speaker 6: They're not gonna lose Scoon Maker, if you had to

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Speaker 6: take away Ferguson or hinder Shot and say that fant

848
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Speaker 6: was that guy, and you can only carry three, they

849
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Speaker 6: gotta get hurt.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't matter. What wouldn't matter?

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Speaker 4: This goes to what you were just talking about though,

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Speaker 4: wouldn't matter from a standpoint of what does fant do well?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is he more of a blocker? Is a pass catcher?

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Speaker 4: And that affects who that third guy might be.

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Speaker 6: I'm just playing the game of tight end coach telling

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Speaker 6: me to watch a guy. Yeah, and if Titan, if

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Speaker 6: this guy lives up to tight end billing, you're not

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Speaker 6: going to get rid of schoon maker And it's gonna

860
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Speaker 6: come down now. Maybe it comes down to you don't

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Speaker 6: carry the full back and you carry four guys. We've

862
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Speaker 6: seen them do that before. They you're thinking they can't

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Speaker 6: carry five safeties? They carry five? They Yeah, So to me,

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Speaker 6: I was just trying to I was trying to pin

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Speaker 6: you on who between Ferguson and Hit or Shot do

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Speaker 6: you feel the less? If does everything that Linda Well

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Speaker 6: says he can do, which one of these tight ends

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Speaker 6: do you move on from if you can only carry three?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean what I was going to say is

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Speaker 7: what I want to see a training camp is I

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Speaker 7: want to see Jake Ferguson and I'm sure hender Shott

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Speaker 7: will be with him riding around in a golf cart

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Speaker 7: all the time. Because if you get a golf cart

874
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Speaker 7: training camp, I think this is still the rule is

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Speaker 7: because you kicked ass in the offseason, you're one of

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Speaker 7: the off season award winners. That's kind of what they do.

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Speaker 7: The strength coach gives you your own golf cart and

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Speaker 7: all that. That's what I want to see because if

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Speaker 7: Ferguson can be an off season warrior with the strength

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Speaker 7: Coach and all that, that's going to take him to

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Speaker 7: that next level I think as a better blocker, as

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Speaker 7: a better complete tied end, because the guy's hurtling people

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Speaker 7: in the middle of the season too. Like he can

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Speaker 7: make plays, he just needs a little bit more strength

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Speaker 7: than it's blocking. If Ferguson can kind of take that

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Speaker 7: next step, he jumps into that mix too.

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Speaker 6: The thing about it is, if you just believe in metrics,

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Speaker 6: sixty nine percent of hindershots he makes like he's right

889
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Speaker 6: about sixty eight sixty nine percent catching the football.

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Speaker 2: The other guy's about eighty four eighty five.

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Speaker 6: You know, so that if you're saying okay, because if

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Speaker 6: the numbers are basically the same. But if you believe

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Speaker 6: in the metrics, like well, who catches the better percentage

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Speaker 6: of balls thrown in their direction, it would be Ferguson

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Speaker 6: would be that guy.

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Speaker 7: Hendershott needs to work on those penalties. He had a

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Speaker 7: lot of penalties for a guy that didn't take every snap.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you look at you know percent And

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Speaker 7: I haven't looked at this stat but Joseph would probably

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Speaker 7: be first in as far as penalties versus your snaps.

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Speaker 7: And Sam Williams is up there, and Donovan Wilson had

902
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Speaker 7: a lot of snaps. But I mean and also also

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Speaker 7: hinder shot those guys right there, got you know, young

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Speaker 7: players got to work on on the discipline a little bit.

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Speaker 4: So we'll do this before we end the show. He

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Speaker 4: lost Schultz, you add it, schoonmaker. Are they better, worse

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Speaker 4: or the same than they were in twenty twenty two?

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Speaker 7: Better, I'll say the same. I'll say the same. But

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Speaker 7: just because Schultz had some stats and he caught the

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Speaker 7: ball well and all that, and that's what that's all

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Speaker 7: he did, really, I mean, just he made some catches

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Speaker 7: and all that, and then but I think they're gonna

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Speaker 7: be I think they could be better. But because of

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Speaker 7: you know that they're still young players. I would just

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Speaker 7: say the same, But I'm not going to say that

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Speaker 7: they're worse.

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Speaker 4: Why do you say they're better, Brian.

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Speaker 6: I'd say they're better because they added a more complete player.

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Speaker 6: I do believe he I believe he catches the football

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Speaker 6: well enough. I think they'll find ways to get him

921
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Speaker 6: the ball. I think he is one of those point

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Speaker 6: of attack blockers. You watch the teams that run the

923
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Speaker 6: football really well in the National Football League, it's guys

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Speaker 6: that do well at the point of attack.

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Speaker 2: Schoonmaker is going to be that guy for this football team.

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Speaker 6: He's replacing Dalton Schultz, who can catch the football, knows

927
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Speaker 6: how to get open. But all these guys know how

928
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Speaker 6: to get open, they know how to can they finish

929
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Speaker 6: the play? But can they block? Can they help the

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Speaker 6: running game? Can they be complete players?

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Speaker 2: They got better by adding Schoonmaker.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I feel like it's the same just because

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I haven't seen Schoonmaker just yet. I haven't. I don't know.

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Speaker 13: It's if it's gonna.

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Speaker 5: Take him the first year to kind of get as

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Speaker 5: he does. But you still have some of those rookies

938
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Speaker 5: that come in here and it still takes them a

939
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Speaker 5: little bit to get going. And it's gonna all come

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Speaker 5: down to how many snaps and opportunities does he get

941
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Speaker 5: to be on the field. Uh, and take that away

942
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Speaker 5: from the other two guys.

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Speaker 13: So I just don't know yet.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I feel like they can be better than

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Speaker 5: last year, but at the moment, they're the same.

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Speaker 4: All right, appreciate you guys joinas we are back next week.

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Speaker 4: We'll have our final show before our little break before

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Speaker 4: training camp. Tell them for Nickie. Mcbrian brought us then Ambergarci.

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