WEBVTT - D-backs Draft Deep Dive w/ Jordan Shusterman: Is Ryder Helfrick a Future Star?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Foul Territory Network. Be sure to like this video,

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<v Speaker 1>soon to be joined by Jack Summers and not only Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>but also today's special guest, Jordan Schusterman, who is an

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<v Speaker 1>MLB draft guru, and we are going to do a

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<v Speaker 1>Dbacks draft deep dive with Jordan, so let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and jump on into that interview. We are so excited

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<v Speaker 1>in this edition of Snake's Territory to be joined by

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<v Speaker 1>the one and only Jordan Schusterman. Jordan is at half

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<v Speaker 1>of the Cesspitous Barbecue Twitter account, which hopefully you're familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with if you're a Diamondbacks fan or a baseball fan

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<v Speaker 1>at large. Phenomenal stuff over there. Jordan also is a

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<v Speaker 1>host on the Baseball Barbicast podcast, which is as I

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<v Speaker 1>said in our last episode, it's probably the best baseball

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that you will find out there. Jack, Jack and

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<v Speaker 1>I were doing our best to be number two, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's the pretty clear number one in my book. Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>also writes about Baseball for Yahoo Sports. So Jordan, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for taking the time. We're excited to talk some Dbacks

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<v Speaker 1>draft with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's there's no there's only so much right

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<v Speaker 2>like this Thursday, we're recording this, you know, on All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Break, which, by the way, absolutely preposterous that the

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<v Speaker 2>Mets and Phillies are playing tonight. That is an egregious

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<v Speaker 2>decision for everybody involved. Whoever thought that was a good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>There's you know, this should be a day of rest, right,

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<v Speaker 2>this should be a time when I am logging off

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<v Speaker 2>and recharging for the second half. So there's not that

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<v Speaker 2>many things where I'm going to like leap up and

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<v Speaker 2>volunteer to do, but this is one of them if

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<v Speaker 2>you want. Because the reality is like the draft comes

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<v Speaker 2>and goes. It's the first thing I cover at All

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<v Speaker 2>Star Week, and it's something that I spent a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time on during the spring, and then it passes

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<v Speaker 2>and then I kind of have to just leave it

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<v Speaker 2>behind because as much as I love this stuff, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the full time, right, like the Baseball Americas and Fangrad,

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<v Speaker 2>like there are outlooks that Cup Pipeline that are covering

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<v Speaker 2>amateur and draft stuff. Like year round and I do

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<v Speaker 2>it too, but I have a lot of other responsibilities

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of pull me away from it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>once they get past the draft, I often don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>have as many platforms to like dig in on what

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<v Speaker 2>actually happened. It's you know, it's a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>build up to it, and so I really like, I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate you guys inviting me to dig into just

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<v Speaker 2>one team's draft. So so yeah, let's let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's roll. Man, this is awesome. You know, It's just

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<v Speaker 3>it's a great opportunity to for our listeners to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to, you know, listen to here somebody else that

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<v Speaker 3>has some really great insights on the draft. So let's

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<v Speaker 3>just dive right into it. Jesse, you fire away with

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<v Speaker 3>the first question.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, Yeah, I guess we'll we'll start from the top,

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<v Speaker 1>as it feels like we ought to. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Diamondbacks first couple picks in our last episode. With their

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<v Speaker 1>first round pick, they took catcher writer Helfrick out of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Arkansas at number fifteen. Overall, seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it is a power over hit sort of profile. Offensively,

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<v Speaker 1>but the defensive grades there are seemed very very strong

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<v Speaker 1>across the board. We also talked about Blake Bryant a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in our last episode Competitive Balance Round a

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<v Speaker 1>pick high school pitcher, big size there out of Citizens

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Academy. So we'll start with those two guys Jordan,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll kind of see where we see where

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<v Speaker 1>we go after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, I think with Helfrick, I can't remember exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where I had him on my top fifty. Again, I

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<v Speaker 2>only have time to rank fifty prospects, and honestly, I

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<v Speaker 2>like doing a top fifty because it forced me to

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<v Speaker 2>be really disciplined on it's my rankings, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>do it as a reflection of the actual class, and

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<v Speaker 2>so because of that, I want it to be as

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<v Speaker 2>many of the players that are going to go in

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<v Speaker 2>the top fifty as possible. And in Helfrick's case, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>building up to the draft was like, Yeah, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly going to be a top I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think it was a slam dunk top ten, top ten,

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<v Speaker 2>but clearly a top half of the first round. He

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<v Speaker 2>ends up going maybe a little bit later that than

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the rankings had him and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>totally shocked by that. I think what was difficult to

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<v Speaker 2>evaluate Helfrick, Like there are now advanced defensive metrics at

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<v Speaker 2>the college baseball level, and certainly for those of then SCC,

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<v Speaker 2>and his framing numbers and some of his defensive numbers

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<v Speaker 2>were so far off the charts that it was almost

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<v Speaker 2>hard to believe. Wow. So like if you looked at

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<v Speaker 2>like the Synergy Sports and like the six or three charts,

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<v Speaker 2>which has a lot of advanced data, I mean, it

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<v Speaker 2>had him as like by far the most valuable defender

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<v Speaker 2>in college baseball. I think what is interesting about that

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<v Speaker 2>now you have to take some of those metrics with

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<v Speaker 2>a grain of salt, just as we do in defensive

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<v Speaker 2>metrics even at the major league level. What's interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>that is that was not his reputation necessarily when he

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<v Speaker 2>arrived on campus. He had a really good arm, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was known for his bat right. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>really really good high school hitter, kind of struggled in

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<v Speaker 2>the spring, that's why he ended up going to school

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<v Speaker 2>to begin with. But his development defensively was just incredible

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<v Speaker 2>during his three years at Arkansas. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>really what you're excited about as far as like the

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<v Speaker 2>floor that you're getting, because it wasn't great right away.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he had like a six forty two ops

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<v Speaker 2>as a freshman and then just gets better and better

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<v Speaker 2>offensively and has a big year this year led to

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<v Speaker 2>Cape cod leaguan home runs or tied for the lead

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<v Speaker 2>after his freshman year, and so, yeah, it's power and patience.

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<v Speaker 2>You're probably not going to get a lot of batting average,

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<v Speaker 2>but hey, twenty twenty six, I mean, come on, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that's not a big deal. That's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to doom anybody's profile. So if he can draw his walks,

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<v Speaker 2>which you did a lot better this year compared to

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<v Speaker 2>last year, get the ball in the air has real power,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you can be a plus defensive catcher, that's

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a pretty exciting collection of skills. I would say.

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<v Speaker 3>One thing I was curious about is Ian Revin was

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<v Speaker 3>telling us that he felt that help improved a lot

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<v Speaker 3>with regards to hitting spin, that in that there was

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<v Speaker 3>actually data and metrics, and I was just wondering, if

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in your journey, have you seen anything to

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<v Speaker 3>support that supposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I mentioned that I'd be curious of

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<v Speaker 2>how much of that is as much hitting spin is

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<v Speaker 2>as much as not missing spin right, not chasing spin.

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<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned, the strikeouts went down a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but the walks is really what what kind of leapt

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<v Speaker 2>forward this year on the whole. His WRC plus was

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<v Speaker 2>actually down from what he did is sophomore, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>just because the power was a little bit more like

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<v Speaker 2>this year he only hit six doubles and eighteen homers.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of speaks to like, yeah, he's got real

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<v Speaker 2>juice if he gets it in the air, especially now

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<v Speaker 2>in modern college baseball is probably going to go over

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<v Speaker 2>the fence. What that spray chart starts to look like

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<v Speaker 2>at the next level I think will be interesting. But

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<v Speaker 2>again I think that you're and this year in the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>once you got past that first group of players, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a huge range of opinions. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they said I actually would be curious because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't care exactly what what Ian Revins said or

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<v Speaker 2>did they say, because you do hear this sometimes do

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<v Speaker 2>they send the lines of something along the lines of like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had help for on their top five in the class,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were so lucky to get him at fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much they expressed surprise that he

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<v Speaker 2>was there at fifteen, because, as I mentioned, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the public bars did have him as more of

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<v Speaker 2>a top ten talent. I don't think he felt some

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<v Speaker 2>shocking way, but I would be curious if they viewed

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<v Speaker 2>him as truly one of the top players in the

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<v Speaker 2>class and were really excited to get him.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he acknowledged like it was nice for him to

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<v Speaker 3>fall to them. I mean, you know, he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we line him up.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>They they insist that they always go best player available,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had him lined up, and they were pleasantly

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<v Speaker 3>surprised that he came down to them, and they feel

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<v Speaker 3>like they got a great player at that value. One

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<v Speaker 3>other question on him, and they'll let you move on

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<v Speaker 3>if you want. Does in your opinion, do you think

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<v Speaker 3>that he'll they'll be able to maybe save a few bucks,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, on him, maybe get him, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 3>not have to go overslot because he was expected to

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<v Speaker 3>go higher than fifteen or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good question. I always have a really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of difficult time evaluating college signability. I for as

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<v Speaker 2>long as I've been like following this closely, I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't totally understand totally where the leverage comes in with

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<v Speaker 2>players in these positions and why those college guys normally

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<v Speaker 2>do end up right around slaughter or slightly below, because

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do? Yeah, okay, technically go

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<v Speaker 2>back to school, but you're not making more money next year,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's just not how it's going to work

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<v Speaker 2>for ninety five percent of these guys. So I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine he comes in around slot, maybe slightly below, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's also just a good transition to the

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<v Speaker 2>next pick, right because the fact that they took Blake

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<v Speaker 2>Brian at thirty one, that was one where Lake Bryant

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the first players on that was drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he was the fifth player drafted who was

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<v Speaker 2>not on my top fifty, but he was right in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix. I mean, this is someone who the more

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<v Speaker 2>feedback I got about him a series like, yes he is,

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<v Speaker 2>he should be considered among the best high school right

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<v Speaker 2>handers in the draft. The problem is that he's a

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<v Speaker 2>high school right hander. So I didn't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>out of my way to put on more high school

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<v Speaker 2>pictures on my list than I needed to and so

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned him in my write up when I was

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<v Speaker 2>writing about Carson Bolman and Coleman Borthwick, both of whom

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<v Speaker 2>went like right before Blake Bryant. So I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>feeling pretty validated about that. But the fact that Bryant

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<v Speaker 2>was the second high school right he taken, I think

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<v Speaker 2>speaks to the fact that he was absolutely in the mix.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mean credit to him. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>checks all the boxes of what you want to see.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the nature of the demographic and we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't got to tell you guys that Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the track record of developing pictures. It's not awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So I you know, I'm not Maybe it's slowly starting

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<v Speaker 2>to change. Maybe they've made some progress more recently, but

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<v Speaker 2>there are certainly sometimes when pictures land in certain positions

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, oh, that's gonna be awesome, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's gonna go great. They know what to do

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<v Speaker 2>with him.

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<v Speaker 4>Respectfully, I don't know if I can say that about Arizona,

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<v Speaker 4>but I hope I'm I hope I'm wrong, and I

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<v Speaker 4>hope that Blake Bryant, you know, gets every opportunity to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of show that he is one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>talented high school pictures in this class.

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<v Speaker 3>We live it every day, so we were well aware

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<v Speaker 3>and not rereading up and Jeremy Blashree trust you know it,

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<v Speaker 3>just hopinged up. Whatever systems he's putting in will help them.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll circle back to that and something else said he

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<v Speaker 3>and Revn said about this draft and the pictures that

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<v Speaker 3>they took was pretty interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean again, you're weighing the signability, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he's clearly was picked at a slot way

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<v Speaker 3>over you know what you would expect, but he's a

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<v Speaker 3>high school guy that bitted to Clemson all the way

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<v Speaker 3>back in twenty twenty two. I read, you know, so, like,

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<v Speaker 3>how does that kind of weigh against each other? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're trying to keep the guy out of college and

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<v Speaker 3>get him signed. You can't sound like you can just

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<v Speaker 3>lowball and say, oh, well you should have gone fifty

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<v Speaker 3>sixty something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I'm looking so that slot is about

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<v Speaker 2>three point one, right. I don't really know what to expect,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because, like I don't know if you guys saw,

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<v Speaker 2>but another one of the top high school right handers

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<v Speaker 2>in the draft, Jensen Hirshcorn got four million from the

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<v Speaker 2>Braves in the third round, which is like, whoa. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's not to say that he's about to get four

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<v Speaker 2>million or more than four million because he was drafted

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<v Speaker 2>so much earlier and a lot of people thought he's

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<v Speaker 2>better than Jensen Hirshcorn. But maybe it's a situation where yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you you really got it, you really got to pay

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<v Speaker 2>up now. The other way to interpret it is they

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<v Speaker 2>were able to get Jensen Hirshcorn all the way down

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<v Speaker 2>there because they must have promised something early enough that

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<v Speaker 2>he was like telling other teams, don't pick me because

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<v Speaker 2>I got four million in the third round, whereas in

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<v Speaker 2>Blake Bryan's case, it might be like the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he went even earlier than expected might means he's just

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<v Speaker 2>getting a round slaughter slightly above. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that they weren't waiting and thinking, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we can get Blake Bryant, I would imagine maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a month ago or at some point during these process

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<v Speaker 2>they were like, oh, Blake Bryant would be a good

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<v Speaker 2>target at picked fifty three, right. I'm sure there were

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of teams that were thinking like, okay, second round.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we're going to try to pay this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would guess that the d Backs found out

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<v Speaker 2>at some point that, you know, once we're moving towards

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the first round, like oh no, like

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<v Speaker 2>Blake Bryant's gonna get picked, So if we want him,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to just pick him now and with this

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<v Speaker 2>pick and figure it out later. So I would imagine

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<v Speaker 2>that's where it is. So what the bonus looks like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Again, that's like the part of the

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<v Speaker 2>three point one, but how much above that, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>We were we were taking a look at at Diamondbacks

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<v Speaker 1>past draft picks and realized, I think the last time

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<v Speaker 1>they took a high school pitcher this high in the

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<v Speaker 1>draft was Blake Walston back in twenty nineteen, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>that hasn't worked out so well, but at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>The big leaguer was like barely yes, right, yes, barely

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<v Speaker 2>a big leaguer.

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<v Speaker 1>Technically, yes, and he's working his way back from Tommy

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<v Speaker 1>John surgery. So maybe, you know, maybe that story isn't

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<v Speaker 1>isn't quite over it at this point. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned it earlier, like the Diamondbacks track record developing

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<v Speaker 1>pitching is not awesome, and at the same time, we

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<v Speaker 1>still have them, and I imagine pretty much any other

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<v Speaker 1>team around the league saying, no, we're always taking the

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<v Speaker 1>best available player, right, Like we're just you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just going out there taking the guy highest on our board.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, just generally, Jordan, like, it's it's probably fair

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<v Speaker 1>to say that, like teams aren't really taking the player

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<v Speaker 1>that is best available in like the universal sense. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're maybe viewing it as like the best available player

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<v Speaker 1>for our organization and our skill set to a degree,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why the Diamondbacks keep taking like five 'ot

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<v Speaker 1>ten outfielders, you know, like every single year, or infielders.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in some cases, like that's not a coincidence, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that's fair to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do like that, you know, Trevor Connon goes

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<v Speaker 2>off the board a couple of picks before them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, guys, don't worry, we'll still take Brandon down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the college version of this, Like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to get Trevor Connon, but it's weird

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<v Speaker 2>because in that case, that specific example, like I get annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do mock drafts, so I'm glad I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to. Like it's easy for me to sit back

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<v Speaker 2>and laugh at the level to which everyone just does

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<v Speaker 2>the same trends with the same stuff, but in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of cases it ends up being correct. Sometimes that's

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<v Speaker 2>based on until sometimes that is based on demographic trends.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like what if I was doing mock drafts,

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<v Speaker 2>would I put Trevor Conny with the dimondbacks? I don't know, probably,

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<v Speaker 2>but it just felt like because the mock drafts, because

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<v Speaker 2>mock drafting is talking to people who actually do them,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's such a difficult exercise. You whenever you have

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to do something that it feels a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit easier and obvious, it's just like, okay, great, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>just do that because I don't have to think about

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<v Speaker 2>it as much before I start shuffling through these, So

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. It is kind of weird. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always funny to me when when teams come out and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, we take the best player available. It's like, yeah, duh,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope. So I'm so glad thanks for that insight

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<v Speaker 2>into the your process. And I think in the case

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<v Speaker 2>of Rite health break, like, yeah, that probably was who

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<v Speaker 2>was the best on their board play, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 2>picking in the middle of the round. Right well, with

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<v Speaker 2>Blake Brian, I think it probably was a mix. Right

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<v Speaker 2>was the number one on the board? Probably not. Was

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<v Speaker 2>it someone that they really wanted and realized he wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there the next time around? Yes, And

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<v Speaker 2>so you make it happen. You have to. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to elevate those high school players because it's it's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost more, and when you get to that

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<v Speaker 2>range of the draft, those are the guys that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to come off the board. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always kind of go back and forth on this,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's a mix. You have to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 2>that all these all these teams are playing the game

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<v Speaker 2>in that degree there's there's very few. There's very few

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<v Speaker 2>teams now that are just picking and giving everybody slot.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very short and small number of teams.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can just say that that's stupid, that that's

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<v Speaker 2>how our draft works, and I would say, yep, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell you you're wrong, But to me, it also

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<v Speaker 2>kind of makes it fun, the unpredictability of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a question. So, you know, the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that they said that they were they saw the trend

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<v Speaker 3>of hitters going early, so they leaned into college pitchers

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<v Speaker 3>with power stuff, big bodies, guys that can log innings.

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<v Speaker 3>And sure enough, four through seven they took you know,

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<v Speaker 3>four college pitchers Josh McDevitt, mer Curious, Mitch Michael Whorley,

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<v Speaker 3>and Carson Turnquist, who is a Timmy John survivor. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was just curious amongst those four who kind of

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<v Speaker 3>jumps out to you the most, like that the dbacs

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<v Speaker 3>have a better chance of being able to develop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I would say that Mercurious is the one.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's certainly the one that I think casual

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<v Speaker 2>fans have become more familiar with. And Worley is very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting that one's he's certainly on my radar as someone

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<v Speaker 2>who kind of popped right. You're not seeing that many

0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 2>guys getting picked out of Stony Brooks, so whenever that happens,

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.560
<v Speaker 2>that's gonna and not just Stony Brooks. Someone who is

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<v Speaker 2>like from the middle of the country and went to

0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.359
<v Speaker 2>California Junior College. Like how he even ended up at

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<v Speaker 2>Stony brook in the first place. I would love to

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<v Speaker 2>learn more about Frankly, but Worley is interesting, but mer

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<v Speaker 2>Curious is the one that I am just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is I don't know what to expect. This is someone

0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.200
<v Speaker 2>who had a lot of There was like real hope

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<v Speaker 2>that he could pitch his way into the top few

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<v Speaker 2>rounds when he transferred to Oklahoma from UNLV, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was so bad in it. I mean, he had like

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<v Speaker 2>a nine era and sec play and he had scattered

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<v Speaker 2>in like some really nice performances here and there, here

0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.560
<v Speaker 2>and there, and you would see the stuff. But when

0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:26.679
<v Speaker 2>you're getting shelled against the best competition to that degree,

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<v Speaker 2>even if the stuff looked pretty good, it was kind

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of hard to know what to expect. And then he's

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<v Speaker 2>a key contributor on one of the most incredible College

0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.520
<v Speaker 2>World Series runs we've ever seen. At the same time,

0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.400
<v Speaker 2>he also wasn't starting right. We see him bouncing back

0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.919
<v Speaker 2>and forth between the bullpen and the rotations, so you know,

0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.720
<v Speaker 2>you watch him and he certainly looks the part. But

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<v Speaker 2>that is another one that I imagine is going to need

0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:55.080
<v Speaker 2>some developmental love. And I don't know, back to the

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.439
<v Speaker 2>point about Blake Bryan, It's like it's a different conversation

0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.000
<v Speaker 2>when you're talking about a college guy. But that's another

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<v Speaker 2>one that it'll be interesting to see what tweaks that

0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.520
<v Speaker 2>they make with him. And also in round five, you know,

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:07.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe you do just see him as as like a

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<v Speaker 2>multi inning reliever, and then he could thrive in that role.

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you don't feel as much pressure to continue to

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:14.880
<v Speaker 2>develop him as a starter. I think that'll be really

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know Ian Revin said anything

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>about that, but yeah, I'm're curious just because of the

0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.399
<v Speaker 2>trajectory of his season, which certainly ended in triumphant fashion.

0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I just am really interested to see what happens next.

0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're going to start him as a starter, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we'll see how long that left.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you mentioned over text earlier in the week,

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan that you have plenty of Carson Curse thoughts Diamondbacks

0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty third overall pick, second rounder shortstop by of Georgia Tech.

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<v Speaker 1>Would would love to hear what you got on him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this is just a classic case of

0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.040
<v Speaker 2>like and I honestly am kind of bummed. I'm now.

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>I know he doesn't go in the top fifty, but

0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:55.080
<v Speaker 2>this is someone that as the Springer's going on, I

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, man, I'd love to find a way to

0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.040
<v Speaker 2>get this guy on my list. I saw him in person.

0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I saw Georgia Tech. There's like bludgeon Boston College for

0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:03.919
<v Speaker 2>for a few days at the end of the season.

0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.160
<v Speaker 2>In person, That's when I was like, oh my god,

0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Von Lackey, Oh my god, Von Lackey. But also Carson

0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Curs Man, Like, this dude is a really really impressive player,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is in an era of guys are just

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<v Speaker 2>going to you know, five schools in five years and

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<v Speaker 2>the portal the portal Mania, And there's plenty of that

0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.879
<v Speaker 2>across the world. I just mentioned one with We're Curious,

0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:30.919
<v Speaker 2>and Helford kind of fits this too, I should say, right,

0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:35.359
<v Speaker 2>But guys that play at that start or play a

0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.280
<v Speaker 2>lot all three years at one school. But this sounds

0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 2>so stupid because this is like what college baseball was

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, but now it's like this rarity.

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 2>But you if you have someone that starts with three

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.920
<v Speaker 2>years at the same place and just takes a big

0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:51.879
<v Speaker 2>step forward each of those successive years, I just love that.

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I love that trend line, and really nobody embodies it

0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:58.480
<v Speaker 2>more than Carson Curse, who played a lot as a freshman,

0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 2>only hits two homers, seven fifty nine ops, jumps to

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<v Speaker 2>eight seventy one as a sophomore, and then this year

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.200
<v Speaker 2>was one of the best players in college baseball. Twenty

0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:11.280
<v Speaker 2>nine doubles is just outrageous. Eleven homers. How much power

0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:12.880
<v Speaker 2>is really going to be in there at the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we'll see. But he can play shortstop. He's

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.880
<v Speaker 2>got great contact skills. I ended up not putting him

0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.919
<v Speaker 2>on just because he is right handed and he doesn't

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.280
<v Speaker 2>really have a lot of power. And there's some people

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that are still not like, oh my god, he's the best.

0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>He's an amazing shortstop. But there's a lot to like here,

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.920
<v Speaker 2>and this could be a situation where, if it goes well,

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.800
<v Speaker 2>we're kind of looking up in a year and being like, well, duh,

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Like look what he did his junior year. This guy

0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 2>was one of the best players in the country. Like

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 2>what more did you want them to do? So I'm

0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm all in again. Do I think this guy's gonna

0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 2>slid close to seven hundred in pro ball? I don't.

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't think that. But what a fun

0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>player and what a what a cool what a cool

0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 2>rise for him to play his way up to this.

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<v Speaker 2>But because you know, a year ago, it would have

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:03.639
<v Speaker 2>been like nice eighth round and he'll get drafted because

0:23:03.640 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 2>he's playing, you know, starting infielder a really good acc school,

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 2>but he did not pop as like stand out prospect

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>in a way that he really did by the end

0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:13.919
<v Speaker 2>of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exciting. By the way, how much college baseball do

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 3>you get to watch? That's great that you were able

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:21.879
<v Speaker 3>to go watch them play, like.

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I dude, I try. I try to watch

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>as much as I can, and frankly, like obviously on

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 2>the weekends, it's become much more watchable just in terms

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of it being broadcasted. I mean that was this case.

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I try to get out. I don't live near a

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of high level college baseball. But you know,

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.479
<v Speaker 2>when I'm traveling, I try at the beginning of the season,

0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Like I like to line up my spring training trip

0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:42.320
<v Speaker 2>with the college baseball opening weekend so I can see

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of players there. That's always good. And yeah,

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 2>whenever I travel, if I can, if I can go

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 2>down and see guys in person, it's it's it's I

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>always find it to be really valuable. And also just

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 2>like you just have the history with these guys, I

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 2>think the high schoolers there's always just a lot more mystery.

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I like to go to the combine

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and get to know some of these high school kids.

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I didn't meet with Blake Bryant, but some of these

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 2>other top high school picks getting to know them because

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 2>I just I have never covered like any of the

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>showcase stuff or followed that. So whereas with the college players,

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 2>especially who've been there for three or four years, I mean,

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>these guys have a lot of history. They have a

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of data to evaluate, but also just really interesting journeys,

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>like just an interesting path and not to steer the

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 2>conversation too hard, but like that's what makes some of

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 2>their later picks, some of their later college picks. I mean,

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.199
<v Speaker 2>there are some crazy trajectories with some of these players,

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.879
<v Speaker 2>and those are the stories that just like capture my

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>heart because I recognize that the chances of any of

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>these Day two guys becoming big leaders as low. But

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>they got drafted for a reason, and some of these

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 2>players have really followed some interesting paths, whether it is

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.679
<v Speaker 2>multiple schools, whether it is just breaking out late. And

0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, they definitely have a few of those guys

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 2>late in their draft class that stand out to me.

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 3>That's a perfect segue because you know, one other thing

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 3>that Ian said to us was as he ran down

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 3>the list of Day two guys and especially you know

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.719
<v Speaker 3>from eleven to twenty, he said, they all have a

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 3>carrying tool.

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>And you know he was Moran.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:12.240
<v Speaker 3>It just kind of really reminded me of back in

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 3>the old money ball days, like you know, focus on

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:17.359
<v Speaker 3>what the player can do, not what he can. So,

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.439
<v Speaker 3>you know, with that in mind, let's dig in, man, Like,

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 3>tell us you know who's really jumping off the page

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 3>for you What what what's the best stories that you

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 3>see out there?

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I'll go, I'll go, I'll do four of

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.440
<v Speaker 2>them and I'll try to I'll try to do it quickly. Well,

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>the one that I don't know as much about, like personally,

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.359
<v Speaker 2>but from a prospect standpoint clearly is someone that THEBA

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 2>experis should be paying attention to is the eleventh rounder

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Cody Bouchell. Just because he was I think that this

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>is someone that is going to get a seven figure

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 2>bonus and assuming he is going to sign, and normally

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.400
<v Speaker 2>eleventh rounder is there's a reason they're getting picked like that,

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 2>that is they have some sort of deal in place,

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.239
<v Speaker 2>big lefty first base, and like, this is someone that

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>would not be surprising if he becomes one of their

0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.280
<v Speaker 2>better hitting prospects. So as far as like this guy

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 2>should be on your prospect list radar, I would say,

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Cody Bochell, you should definitely be and do. But as

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>far as just like human beings and like trajectories to

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>be invested in, I would say the three that I

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 2>definitely want to highlight are Paul Schoenfeld, Chris Katz, and

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Wurtz. So Schoenfeld I don't know as much about,

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 2>but he really popped on our radar this year because

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>this is a D two guy centerfield, incredible centerfield. If

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:33.120
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about carrying tools, terrific centerfield, are huge part

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of the West Virginia team that went to the College

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>World Series for the first time. So Shoan Feld's really interesting.

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 2>He's obviously, all three of these guys are old, right,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 2>these are twenty three year old, so these are not

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 2>going to cost very much in terms of signing bonuses.

0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 2>But they had big enough and interesting seasons to get drafted.

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And then Chris Katz is a wild one. This dude

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.760
<v Speaker 2>wasn't Wake Forest for four years, really just barely played.

0:26:55.840 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 2>He just did not could not get on the field.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>He performed well in the summer in the Valley League,

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.400
<v Speaker 2>and then this year transfers to Mercer as a fifth

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>year senior and has one of the best seasons in

0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 2>college baseball. I mean, there's really no other way to

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 2>put you. You put up his season statistically against anybody else,

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know he's playing mostly first base, corner outfield.

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 2>He's a right handed hitter. But the numbers are just outrageous.

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.479
<v Speaker 2>But the fun fact about Chris Katz that I did

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.119
<v Speaker 2>not know until more recently is that he was on

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 2>the USA Baseball twelve U national team, which the fact

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that this even exists to begin with, is already a

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>little bit like what are we doing? Why are we

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 2>sending twelve year olds to compete in Taiwan? But like,

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:38.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, I love the LILL League World Series, but

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.719
<v Speaker 2>really the best twelve year olds are playing on this team.

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>And Chris Kads was on this team in twenty fifteen

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 2>that went to Taiwan, that won the gold medal, that

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 2>had a bunch of future big leaguers on that team,

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>including Nick Kurtz, his former teammate at Wake Forest, who

0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 2>at that point was like the Sho Heeo Tani of

0:27:57.720 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>twelve year olds. He was like leading the team at innings,

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>leading the team at homers. So anyway, that's Chris Katz,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 2>So you know, they never speak for themselves. And then

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:12.199
<v Speaker 2>finally Andrew works the twentieth rounder, pick number five, ninety six. Listen,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 2>there was only so many twentieth rounders that I can

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 2>say I've seen pitch in person, but this is one

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 2>of them. This guy's is another three schools three school

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Journey D two Stone Hill D three Salve Regina, Who's

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>shirt I'm wearing today, shouts out to their head coach,

0:28:27.080 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Eric Soirella, who I'm tight with. I went and saw

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Salve play last spring in Boston, and I saw Andrew

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Worth's pitch and I was like, damn, what's this guy

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>doing in D three He's got some good stuff. Sure enough,

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 2>transferred to Northeastern and he's one of the best relievers

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>in that conference this year. And now he's now he's

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in the Diamondbacks organization. So the journey continues for Andrew Wurtz.

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Northeastern kid, I believe it's from New Hampshire, so not

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of big leaguers coming out of Dover, but yeah, man,

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean those are those are my guys. So all

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>old pressure on the Dbacks Development's little system to keep

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>these players relevant and uh maybe maybe you know, at

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:10.480
<v Speaker 2>some point of the next few years, I'll come to

0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>spring training and I'll be on a backfield with one

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 2>of you guys somewhere and I'll be like.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh, man, there's Andrew Wurtz throwing Corbin Carrol or whatever.

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>That'll fire me up if I ever get to do that.

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 3>Jesse, you got to blow Jordan's cover here. How he

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 3>signed in to the to the pod.

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jordan may or may not have joined

0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 1>this episode as number one. Andrew Wurtz fan. It's like

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>his little uh title.

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, someone's got to be got right. I mean, I

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 2>presumably like his family is bigger fans than I am.

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>But maybe you know I'm for this kid. Yeah, I

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.720
<v Speaker 2>love it so and and but look, I'm excited to

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 2>look like I don't. I'll be honest. You know I

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 2>know what rounds thirteen through nine seventeen, I got nothing.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never never heard of any of these guys. So

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to know I'm doing my best here. I'm

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to keep up, but I'm sure I'll learn about

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So if Jack span Your or Andrew Evans ends up

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>being awesome and I didn't tell you about it, like,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that's on me. I apologize. This is great.

0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, we won't hold it against you, Jordan, we

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>won't hold it against you. Well we could. We could

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>go on for for much longer, I am sure. But

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>but Jordan, we really appreciate your time, all your dedication

0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to staying on top of all this stuff. I know

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>it's been a busy week for you, so so thanks

0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>again for hopping on. We really appreciate it, really appreciate it.

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Brandon down you probably deserve more time. But

0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you know what, Yeah, well we'll do it. Next time

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>I come on, we'll we'll talk about it more. So,

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>thank you, thank you both for having me on. This

0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was really fun, really cool to have this platform to

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about these picks. And yeah, well we'll see how

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 2>it goes. I look forward to doing this again soon.

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Thanks George.

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<v Speaker 1>With a few final notes here at the end, just

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>a few things to hit on. First of all, Jack,

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Troy unfortunately has landed on the injured list. This

0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>is news that we just got in the past forty

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>eight hours or so. He is going to the ten

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>day injured list with a sprained right aca joint. This

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 1>of course came as a result of banging into the

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>center field wall on Saturday in Los Angeles. And this

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>isn't great, Jack. I know Tommy Troy was not necessarily

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 1>clicking on all cylinders at the plate, but he was

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>an important part of this team's outfield depth.

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is really rough, you know, I mean it

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 3>fits the most mild form. Look, this is sprained it

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 3>right a sea joint. Is he dislocated it at least temporarily?

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, maybe it just popped right back in that

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, but you know, if it's the smallest

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>grade or most easiest Grade one two that's still at

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 3>least a couple of weeks. So, I mean, look, you're

0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:03.240
<v Speaker 3>not going to see Tommy Troy before August one, almost

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 3>thousand percent certain on that. The question, and we'll find

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 3>out from Tori when we see him during workouts Thursday

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 3>night or by Friday afternoon will be you know, are

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 3>we looking at a grade three or four where you're

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>talking about over a month missing, you know, and I

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 3>don't think it's a type of injury that's going to

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.960
<v Speaker 3>likely require surgery, but you know, we'll find out about

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 3>that soon. So my guess is that the most optimistic

0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 3>is he's going to be out two weeks to anywhere

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 3>to six or eight. So we'll just have to find out.

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>So don't expect to see Tommy Troy for a while,

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 3>which creates some issues for them. I mean, they they

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 3>got to replace him. We don't know who that's going

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 3>to be just yet. Again, we might not know that

0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 3>until Thursday night or even Friday during the day. You

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 3>have basically four players in the minor league that are

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 3>on the forty man IL forty man roster. Lou James

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Gruverer Tyler Locklear, Adrian del Castillo and Jose Fernandez, and

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 3>they need an infielder. I mean they're going to have

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 3>to add an infielder. They don't need seven outfielders six outfielders.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>So my guess is probably going to be Locklier. I

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 3>think it's his turn to get a shot. I mean

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 3>he's been hot lately. Maybe he's been beating up on

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.160
<v Speaker 3>some week pitching. But bottom lines, as he was PCL

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Player of the Week. You know they traded for him,

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 3>So don't be surprised if they bring him in because

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 3>you can play Tim Tower anywhere. They need more coverage

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 3>in the outfield. They want to rotate still the first base.

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.200
<v Speaker 3>If they can play Tim at third base, if Nola

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 3>needs a day off, you still have Vargus to back

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.759
<v Speaker 3>up a short stop at the second base. So my

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 3>guess is probably going to be Lockleier. But you never know. Fernandez, Groover,

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 3>they could also be guys that get called them. Fernandez

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 3>has been hot in July, he's hitting three seventy one

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 3>for the month. And Groover, you know, I mean he

0:34:59.800 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 3>had a shot. Now whether or not they would bring

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 3>him right back, which they can because of an injury,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 3>but you know, maybe it's somebody else's turn, so we

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>have to see. Now there's the last thing on this

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 3>is there is an open spot on the forty man roster,

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 3>So if they did want to add somebody like Christian Robinson,

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 3>theoretically they could, but I just don't think the odds

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 3>of that.

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Are very high.

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. Robinson has a seven

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>ninety seven ops this season in Reno, which is decent,

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>but considering the ballpark environment and so forth, not necessarily

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>jumping off the page. So be interesting to see what

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the Diamondbacks do. Their unfortunate news for Tommy Troy. Hopefully

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>he's able to get back soon. Also on the injury front,

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Jack there was a picture floating around on social media

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>of Heraldo Perdomo with his hand wristd area wrapped up,

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and people were slightly concerned about this, like is Perdomo

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 1>going to open the second half on the injured list.

0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>We got a report from Steve Gilbert on this yesterday.

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>He said that Perdomo received a cortizone injection in his

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>left wrist to battle some inflammation that he's experienced in

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.280
<v Speaker 1>that area, and it is not a serious injury. According

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to Mike Haysen, Perdomo is still expected to play on

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Friday against the Cardinals, so crisis averted there. Jack sounds

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>like Perdomo is going to be just fine.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 3>I had a lot of people nervous, but you know

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the fact that it was a wrap not a cast

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.879
<v Speaker 3>was encouraging to astute observers, And it turns out that's

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.759
<v Speaker 3>the case. So usually courtizone shots you need three four

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 3>days to rebound from, so that timing works out. Like

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.360
<v Speaker 3>you said, he's expected to play on Friday, you know,

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 3>hopefully there's nothing else going on there. I assume it

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 3>was from the hit by pitch against the Dodgers. I've

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 3>also seen some awkward swings, so hard to say exactly

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 3>what caused it when we talked to him. Well, we'll

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 3>find out.

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Another piece of news that we got here in the

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>last couple of days is that Pavid Smith is in

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>fact in the organization. He has cleared waivers and has

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 1>been outrighted to triple a reno. So Smith is still

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 1>in the organization. I know. I think you and I

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>touched on this on the show at one point and

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:16.799
<v Speaker 1>suggested that another team probably would claim peven when when

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>if he was designated for assignment. So this came as

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a surprise to me, Jack, But

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I guess also just reflects that the Diamondbacks are not

0:37:26.360 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>the only team that had some doubts about Peven Smith,

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>that maybe his perception around the league is also not

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>that of you know, a league average type hitter that

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>technically he's been over his career.

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Or the other take on that is, the Diamondbacks were

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 3>the only team in baseball that felt that Peven Smith

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 3>can hit.

0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Also possible this is true, so Peven is still in

0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>the organization. I mean, theoretically he could he could come

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>back up to the big leagues at some point. I

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 1>don't expect that to happen anytime soon, certainly not right now.

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I think Tyler Locklear would would certainly get a shot

0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>in the big leagues before Smith would. Maybe the DBACS

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>would would bring Groover back as well before they would

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.960
<v Speaker 1>do that. So I don't think a Paven Smith returned

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to the big leagues is imminent, but doesn't hurt to

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>have him in the organization. Still, as far as guys

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:21.880
<v Speaker 1>that you could have as available depth, you could, you

0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>could do a lot worse than him, so, so Smith

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:29.360
<v Speaker 1>stays in the organization. One other storyline, I guess is

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>there anything else on peven Jack before we.

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I've thought that our good friend Diamondback stabs an

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 3>info highlighted in his Twitter account a blurb from the

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:45.279
<v Speaker 3>from an article on MLB Trade Rumors. I'm not sure

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 3>if you happen to have that handy by any chance.

0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 3>If not, I will find it. Yeah, but I thought

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 3>that that's important information.

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I can drag it in here

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.560
<v Speaker 1>we are. I'll go ahead and read this out. This

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>is from MLB Trade Rumors. Some good information on Pavent

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Smith's situation. It says Smith has the right to elect

0:39:04.200 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>free agency, but isn't likely to do so. Players with

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>at least three years of service time have the right

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to reject outright assignments in favor of the open market,

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.120
<v Speaker 1>but if they have less than five years of service,

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>they have to forfeit their remaining salary commitments and exercising

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that right. Smith is in that three to five window

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and is making two point twenty five million dollars this year.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>That leaves about nine hundred thousand dollars still to be

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>paid out, assuming he doesn't want to leave that on

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the table. Smith will report to Reno, So yeah, helpful

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 1>contacts there. It seems like just from a financial standpoint,

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 1>it makes more sense for Pavin to return to the

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 1>organization and stay in Reno than to pursue something on

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the open market.

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for sure. I mean, no one's spitting away nine

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.399
<v Speaker 3>hundred k. I mean, you know, he could gamble that

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.200
<v Speaker 3>no team wanted to pick up the remaining amount of

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 3>his MLB salary, and you know, he would get signed

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 3>as a free agent at league minimum, you know, for

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 3>the remaining two and a half months of the two

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 3>plus months of the season. So then you're looking at

0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 3>about four hundred thousand, so you know, and that's if

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 3>he got signed by a major league organization to a

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:14.520
<v Speaker 3>major league contract, So you know, the best case scenarios,

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 3>he would lose five hundred k. So nobody's spitting away

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 3>that kind of money. So that makes total sense.

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 1>The last thing we wanted to hit on on this

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>episode is that Mike Hazen apparently had a discussion with

0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the team before the All Star break festivities began. Sounds

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>like this was sort of in contrast to last year

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.400
<v Speaker 1>where Hazen had of course, a big conversation with the

0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:43.520
<v Speaker 1>team once the team was officially selling and Hazen was

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>starting to make those moves. This time around, it happens

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>before all of those decisions are made and Hazen, it

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>sounds like Jack, according to the reporting we've gotten, he

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to make it really clear to the team

0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity that's in front of them, the importance of

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:04.240
<v Speaker 1>coming out and playing well to start the second half,

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and really to force his hand to go out there

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and to add to this roster. And it sounds like

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>players were also encouraged to come to him with any

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:19.640
<v Speaker 1>any questions or concerns or whatnot. He's been just kind

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of very upfront and honest about where the team is

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted players to be very clear on that

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>before they enter the second half.

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the way Steve you know, wrote it,

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 3>players were encouraged to speak to him privately if they

0:41:34.200 --> 0:41:37.240
<v Speaker 3>had any concerns about his message or wanted to share

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 3>their feelings about it. So, you know, his message was, Hey,

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, you guys got to do this now and

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:45.919
<v Speaker 3>turned me into a buyer. You know, it's up to you, guys,

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 3>It's in your hands. What I'm going to do next.

0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 3>So I mean that puts a lot of pressure on

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 3>them too. As we've seen over and over and over

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 3>with the Arizona Diamondbacks, when there are low expectations, they

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 3>do well. When they're a high dias they do poorly.

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Or is that just regression to the mean? Jesse, I

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>don't know, help me out here.

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Who's to say? Nobody knows? But yeah, definitely a change

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.479
<v Speaker 1>of course here for Hazen trying to get in front

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 1>of this. His exact quote was, I didn't want to

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.760
<v Speaker 1>wait to hold back some of the things I wanted

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>to say to them that maybe I should have said

0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:24.600
<v Speaker 1>last year on July first. So this is him kind

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 1>of looking at the way things turned out last year

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 1>and wanting to wanting to change course there. Granted, yeah,

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:32.479
<v Speaker 1>we did hear Corbyn Carroll talk about how the team

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>was pressing, you know, going into the trade deadline a

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.279
<v Speaker 1>season ago, and some part of me is like, I

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.919
<v Speaker 1>don't know if the GM, you know, giving this sort

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>of talk in front of everyone is going to prevent that.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if it might make that an issue, But

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, what, do I know? These are these are

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 1>real human beings and I'm not in I wasn't in

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that meeting. I wasn't in that room to see everyone's faces.

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they view this as being very motivating and energizing

0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:04.399
<v Speaker 1>going into the second half, and that sets the stage four.

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:08.800
<v Speaker 1>This weekend, Jack Diamondbacks have three very important games against

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.279
<v Speaker 1>the Saint Louis Cardinals at home. Of course, ten of

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.000
<v Speaker 1>their first thirteen games coming out of the break are

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 1>against teams that they are directly competing with in the

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 1>wildcard race, so it is hard to overstate the importance

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>of the games this weekend the games coming up after that.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>We don't have pitching matchups as of right now, but

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we'll get that here before too long.

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.319
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, there are workouts at Chase Field Thursday night, and

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 3>we will get a chance to talk to Tory, so

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, we'll come be and we'll see him again

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:45.360
<v Speaker 3>on Friday afternoon. So when we do our live show

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:49.960
<v Speaker 3>on Friday evening postgame at Chase Field, we'll have lots

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 3>of updates and information for you guys, as well as

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 3>the game. We can here we go.

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next show will be live from Chase Field after

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 1>Friday night's game. I'll be out there as well. Jack

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.280
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<v Speaker 1>being with us on this episode. We really appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll be back once again tomorrow night, Friday Night

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<v Speaker 1>with a live postgame show. We hope to see you then.