Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part
Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network. Be sure to like this video,
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Speaker 1: soon to be joined by Jack Summers and not only Jack,
Speaker 1: but also today's special guest, Jordan Schusterman, who is an
Speaker 1: MLB draft guru, and we are going to do a
Speaker 1: Dbacks draft deep dive with Jordan, so let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and jump on into that interview. We are so excited
Speaker 1: in this edition of Snake's Territory to be joined by
Speaker 1: the one and only Jordan Schusterman. Jordan is at half
Speaker 1: of the Cesspitous Barbecue Twitter account, which hopefully you're familiar
Speaker 1: with if you're a Diamondbacks fan or a baseball fan
Speaker 1: at large. Phenomenal stuff over there. Jordan also is a
Speaker 1: host on the Baseball Barbicast podcast, which is as I
Speaker 1: said in our last episode, it's probably the best baseball
Speaker 1: podcast that you will find out there. Jack, Jack and
Speaker 1: I were doing our best to be number two, but
Speaker 1: that's the pretty clear number one in my book. Jordan
Speaker 1: also writes about Baseball for Yahoo Sports. So Jordan, thanks
Speaker 1: for taking the time. We're excited to talk some Dbacks
Speaker 1: draft with you.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's no there's only so much right
Speaker 2: like this Thursday, we're recording this, you know, on All
Speaker 2: Star Break, which, by the way, absolutely preposterous that the
Speaker 2: Mets and Phillies are playing tonight. That is an egregious
Speaker 2: decision for everybody involved. Whoever thought that was a good idea.
Speaker 2: There's you know, this should be a day of rest, right,
Speaker 2: this should be a time when I am logging off
Speaker 2: and recharging for the second half. So there's not that
Speaker 2: many things where I'm going to like leap up and
Speaker 2: volunteer to do, but this is one of them if
Speaker 2: you want. Because the reality is like the draft comes
Speaker 2: and goes. It's the first thing I cover at All
Speaker 2: Star Week, and it's something that I spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time on during the spring, and then it passes
Speaker 2: and then I kind of have to just leave it
Speaker 2: behind because as much as I love this stuff, it's
Speaker 2: not the full time, right, like the Baseball Americas and Fangrad,
Speaker 2: like there are outlooks that Cup Pipeline that are covering
Speaker 2: amateur and draft stuff. Like year round and I do
Speaker 2: it too, but I have a lot of other responsibilities
Speaker 2: that kind of pull me away from it, and so
Speaker 2: once they get past the draft, I often don't actually
Speaker 2: have as many platforms to like dig in on what
Speaker 2: actually happened. It's you know, it's a lot of the
Speaker 2: build up to it, and so I really like, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you guys inviting me to dig into just
Speaker 2: one team's draft. So so yeah, let's let's do it.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here.
Speaker 3: Let's roll. Man, this is awesome. You know, It's just
Speaker 3: it's a great opportunity to for our listeners to be
Speaker 3: able to, you know, listen to here somebody else that
Speaker 3: has some really great insights on the draft. So let's
Speaker 3: just dive right into it. Jesse, you fire away with
Speaker 3: the first question.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I guess we'll we'll start from the top,
Speaker 1: as it feels like we ought to. We talked about
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks first couple picks in our last episode. With their
Speaker 1: first round pick, they took catcher writer Helfrick out of
Speaker 1: the University of Arkansas at number fifteen. Overall, seems like
Speaker 1: it is a power over hit sort of profile. Offensively,
Speaker 1: but the defensive grades there are seemed very very strong
Speaker 1: across the board. We also talked about Blake Bryant a
Speaker 1: little bit in our last episode Competitive Balance Round a
Speaker 1: pick high school pitcher, big size there out of Citizens
Speaker 1: Christian Academy. So we'll start with those two guys Jordan,
Speaker 1: and then we'll kind of see where we see where
Speaker 1: we go after that.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I think with Helfrick, I can't remember exactly
Speaker 2: where I had him on my top fifty. Again, I
Speaker 2: only have time to rank fifty prospects, and honestly, I
Speaker 2: like doing a top fifty because it forced me to
Speaker 2: be really disciplined on it's my rankings, but I also
Speaker 2: do it as a reflection of the actual class, and
Speaker 2: so because of that, I want it to be as
Speaker 2: many of the players that are going to go in
Speaker 2: the top fifty as possible. And in Helfrick's case, you know,
Speaker 2: building up to the draft was like, Yeah, this guy
Speaker 2: is clearly going to be a top I mean I
Speaker 2: didn't think it was a slam dunk top ten, top ten,
Speaker 2: but clearly a top half of the first round. He
Speaker 2: ends up going maybe a little bit later that than
Speaker 2: a lot of the rankings had him and I wasn't
Speaker 2: totally shocked by that. I think what was difficult to
Speaker 2: evaluate Helfrick, Like there are now advanced defensive metrics at
Speaker 2: the college baseball level, and certainly for those of then SCC,
Speaker 2: and his framing numbers and some of his defensive numbers
Speaker 2: were so far off the charts that it was almost
Speaker 2: hard to believe. Wow. So like if you looked at
Speaker 2: like the Synergy Sports and like the six or three charts,
Speaker 2: which has a lot of advanced data, I mean, it
Speaker 2: had him as like by far the most valuable defender
Speaker 2: in college baseball. I think what is interesting about that
Speaker 2: now you have to take some of those metrics with
Speaker 2: a grain of salt, just as we do in defensive
Speaker 2: metrics even at the major league level. What's interesting about
Speaker 2: that is that was not his reputation necessarily when he
Speaker 2: arrived on campus. He had a really good arm, but
Speaker 2: he was known for his bat right. He was a
Speaker 2: really really good high school hitter, kind of struggled in
Speaker 2: the spring, that's why he ended up going to school
Speaker 2: to begin with. But his development defensively was just incredible
Speaker 2: during his three years at Arkansas. And I think that's
Speaker 2: really what you're excited about as far as like the
Speaker 2: floor that you're getting, because it wasn't great right away.
Speaker 2: I mean, he had like a six forty two ops
Speaker 2: as a freshman and then just gets better and better
Speaker 2: offensively and has a big year this year led to
Speaker 2: Cape cod leaguan home runs or tied for the lead
Speaker 2: after his freshman year, and so, yeah, it's power and patience.
Speaker 2: You're probably not going to get a lot of batting average,
Speaker 2: but hey, twenty twenty six, I mean, come on, guys,
Speaker 2: we know that's not a big deal. That's not going
Speaker 2: to doom anybody's profile. So if he can draw his walks,
Speaker 2: which you did a lot better this year compared to
Speaker 2: last year, get the ball in the air has real power,
Speaker 2: and if you can be a plus defensive catcher, that's
Speaker 2: obviously a pretty exciting collection of skills. I would say.
Speaker 3: One thing I was curious about is Ian Revin was
Speaker 3: telling us that he felt that help improved a lot
Speaker 3: with regards to hitting spin, that in that there was
Speaker 3: actually data and metrics, and I was just wondering, if
Speaker 3: you know, in your journey, have you seen anything to
Speaker 3: support that supposition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I mentioned that I'd be curious of
Speaker 2: how much of that is as much hitting spin is
Speaker 2: as much as not missing spin right, not chasing spin.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, the strikeouts went down a little bit,
Speaker 2: but the walks is really what what kind of leapt
Speaker 2: forward this year on the whole. His WRC plus was
Speaker 2: actually down from what he did is sophomore, but that's
Speaker 2: just because the power was a little bit more like
Speaker 2: this year he only hit six doubles and eighteen homers.
Speaker 2: That kind of speaks to like, yeah, he's got real
Speaker 2: juice if he gets it in the air, especially now
Speaker 2: in modern college baseball is probably going to go over
Speaker 2: the fence. What that spray chart starts to look like
Speaker 2: at the next level I think will be interesting. But
Speaker 2: again I think that you're and this year in the draft,
Speaker 2: once you got past that first group of players, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a huge range of opinions. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they said I actually would be curious because
Speaker 2: I didn't care exactly what what Ian Revins said or
Speaker 2: did they say, because you do hear this sometimes do
Speaker 2: they send the lines of something along the lines of like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we had help for on their top five in the class,
Speaker 2: and we were so lucky to get him at fifteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much they expressed surprise that he
Speaker 2: was there at fifteen, because, as I mentioned, a lot
Speaker 2: of the public bars did have him as more of
Speaker 2: a top ten talent. I don't think he felt some
Speaker 2: shocking way, but I would be curious if they viewed
Speaker 2: him as truly one of the top players in the
Speaker 2: class and were really excited to get him.
Speaker 3: Oh, he acknowledged like it was nice for him to
Speaker 3: fall to them. I mean, you know, he said, hey,
Speaker 3: we line him up.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: They they insist that they always go best player available,
Speaker 3: and they had him lined up, and they were pleasantly
Speaker 3: surprised that he came down to them, and they feel
Speaker 3: like they got a great player at that value. One
Speaker 3: other question on him, and they'll let you move on
Speaker 3: if you want. Does in your opinion, do you think
Speaker 3: that he'll they'll be able to maybe save a few bucks,
Speaker 3: you know, on him, maybe get him, you know, no,
Speaker 3: not have to go overslot because he was expected to
Speaker 3: go higher than fifteen or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. I always have a really
Speaker 2: kind of difficult time evaluating college signability. I for as
Speaker 2: long as I've been like following this closely, I still
Speaker 2: don't totally understand totally where the leverage comes in with
Speaker 2: players in these positions and why those college guys normally
Speaker 2: do end up right around slaughter or slightly below, because
Speaker 2: what are you going to do? Yeah, okay, technically go
Speaker 2: back to school, but you're not making more money next year,
Speaker 2: even if it's just not how it's going to work
Speaker 2: for ninety five percent of these guys. So I would
Speaker 2: imagine he comes in around slot, maybe slightly below, but
Speaker 2: I mean that's also just a good transition to the
Speaker 2: next pick, right because the fact that they took Blake
Speaker 2: Brian at thirty one, that was one where Lake Bryant
Speaker 2: was one of the first players on that was drafted.
Speaker 2: I guess he was the fifth player drafted who was
Speaker 2: not on my top fifty, but he was right in
Speaker 2: the mix. I mean, this is someone who the more
Speaker 2: feedback I got about him a series like, yes he is,
Speaker 2: he should be considered among the best high school right
Speaker 2: handers in the draft. The problem is that he's a
Speaker 2: high school right hander. So I didn't want to go
Speaker 2: out of my way to put on more high school
Speaker 2: pictures on my list than I needed to and so
Speaker 2: I mentioned him in my write up when I was
Speaker 2: writing about Carson Bolman and Coleman Borthwick, both of whom
Speaker 2: went like right before Blake Bryant. So I ended up
Speaker 2: feeling pretty validated about that. But the fact that Bryant
Speaker 2: was the second high school right he taken, I think
Speaker 2: speaks to the fact that he was absolutely in the mix.
Speaker 2: And so I mean credit to him. I mean, he
Speaker 2: checks all the boxes of what you want to see.
Speaker 2: It's just the nature of the demographic and we'll see
Speaker 2: because I don't got to tell you guys that Arizona,
Speaker 2: this is the track record of developing pictures. It's not awesome.
Speaker 2: So I you know, I'm not Maybe it's slowly starting
Speaker 2: to change. Maybe they've made some progress more recently, but
Speaker 2: there are certainly sometimes when pictures land in certain positions
Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, that's gonna be awesome, you know,
Speaker 2: like that's gonna go great. They know what to do
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 4: Respectfully, I don't know if I can say that about Arizona,
Speaker 4: but I hope I'm I hope I'm wrong, and I
Speaker 4: hope that Blake Bryant, you know, gets every opportunity to
Speaker 4: kind of show that he is one of the most
Speaker 4: talented high school pictures in this class.
Speaker 3: We live it every day, so we were well aware
Speaker 3: and not rereading up and Jeremy Blashree trust you know it,
Speaker 3: just hopinged up. Whatever systems he's putting in will help them.
Speaker 3: We'll circle back to that and something else said he
Speaker 3: and Revn said about this draft and the pictures that
Speaker 3: they took was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, I mean again, you're weighing the signability, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, he's clearly was picked at a slot way
Speaker 3: over you know what you would expect, but he's a
Speaker 3: high school guy that bitted to Clemson all the way
Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty two. I read, you know, so, like,
Speaker 3: how does that kind of weigh against each other? You know,
Speaker 3: you're trying to keep the guy out of college and
Speaker 3: get him signed. You can't sound like you can just
Speaker 3: lowball and say, oh, well you should have gone fifty
Speaker 3: sixty something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm looking so that slot is about
Speaker 2: three point one, right. I don't really know what to expect,
Speaker 2: especially because, like I don't know if you guys saw,
Speaker 2: but another one of the top high school right handers
Speaker 2: in the draft, Jensen Hirshcorn got four million from the
Speaker 2: Braves in the third round, which is like, whoa. So
Speaker 2: that's not to say that he's about to get four
Speaker 2: million or more than four million because he was drafted
Speaker 2: so much earlier and a lot of people thought he's
Speaker 2: better than Jensen Hirshcorn. But maybe it's a situation where yeah,
Speaker 2: you you really got it, you really got to pay
Speaker 2: up now. The other way to interpret it is they
Speaker 2: were able to get Jensen Hirshcorn all the way down
Speaker 2: there because they must have promised something early enough that
Speaker 2: he was like telling other teams, don't pick me because
Speaker 2: I got four million in the third round, whereas in
Speaker 2: Blake Bryan's case, it might be like the fact that
Speaker 2: he went even earlier than expected might means he's just
Speaker 2: getting a round slaughter slightly above. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: The fact that they weren't waiting and thinking, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe we can get Blake Bryant, I would imagine maybe
Speaker 2: a month ago or at some point during these process
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, Blake Bryant would be a good
Speaker 2: target at picked fifty three, right. I'm sure there were
Speaker 2: a lot of teams that were thinking like, okay, second round.
Speaker 2: That's where we're going to try to pay this guy.
Speaker 2: And I would guess that the d Backs found out
Speaker 2: at some point that, you know, once we're moving towards
Speaker 2: the back of the first round, like oh no, like
Speaker 2: Blake Bryant's gonna get picked, So if we want him,
Speaker 2: we need to just pick him now and with this
Speaker 2: pick and figure it out later. So I would imagine
Speaker 2: that's where it is. So what the bonus looks like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, that's like the part of the
Speaker 2: world that I just struggle with, like predicting, because especially
Speaker 2: with the high schoolers, it can come into all kinds
Speaker 2: of crazy ranges. But yeah, that's kind of where I
Speaker 2: would sense that ends up being. I probably is above
Speaker 2: three point one, but how much above that, I don't
Speaker 2: really know.
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Speaker 1: We were we were taking a look at at Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: past draft picks and realized, I think the last time
Speaker 1: they took a high school pitcher this high in the
Speaker 1: draft was Blake Walston back in twenty nineteen, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: that hasn't worked out so well, but at the time.
Speaker 2: The big leaguer was like barely yes, right, yes, barely
Speaker 2: a big leaguer.
Speaker 1: Technically, yes, and he's working his way back from Tommy
Speaker 1: John surgery. So maybe, you know, maybe that story isn't
Speaker 1: isn't quite over it at this point. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it earlier, like the Diamondbacks track record developing
Speaker 1: pitching is not awesome, and at the same time, we
Speaker 1: still have them, and I imagine pretty much any other
Speaker 1: team around the league saying, no, we're always taking the
Speaker 1: best available player, right, Like we're just you know, we're
Speaker 1: just going out there taking the guy highest on our board.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, just generally, Jordan, like, it's it's probably fair
Speaker 1: to say that, like teams aren't really taking the player
Speaker 1: that is best available in like the universal sense. They're
Speaker 1: they're maybe viewing it as like the best available player
Speaker 1: for our organization and our skill set to a degree,
Speaker 1: And that's why the Diamondbacks keep taking like five 'ot
Speaker 1: ten outfielders, you know, like every single year, or infielders.
Speaker 1: I guess in some cases, like that's not a coincidence, right, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think that's fair to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like that, you know, Trevor Connon goes
Speaker 2: off the board a couple of picks before them, and
Speaker 2: they're like, guys, don't worry, we'll still take Brandon down.
Speaker 2: It's just the college version of this, Like, I know
Speaker 2: we're not going to get Trevor Connon, but it's weird
Speaker 2: because in that case, that specific example, like I get annoyed.
Speaker 2: I don't do mock drafts, so I'm glad I don't
Speaker 2: have to. Like it's easy for me to sit back
Speaker 2: and laugh at the level to which everyone just does
Speaker 2: the same trends with the same stuff, but in a
Speaker 2: lot of cases it ends up being correct. Sometimes that's
Speaker 2: based on until sometimes that is based on demographic trends.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like what if I was doing mock drafts,
Speaker 2: would I put Trevor Conny with the dimondbacks? I don't know, probably,
Speaker 2: but it just felt like because the mock drafts, because
Speaker 2: mock drafting is talking to people who actually do them,
Speaker 2: because it's such a difficult exercise. You whenever you have
Speaker 2: an opportunity to do something that it feels a little
Speaker 2: bit easier and obvious, it's just like, okay, great, I'll
Speaker 2: just do that because I don't have to think about
Speaker 2: it as much before I start shuffling through these, So
Speaker 2: I agree with you. It is kind of weird. It's
Speaker 2: always funny to me when when teams come out and
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, we take the best player available. It's like, yeah, duh,
Speaker 2: I hope. So I'm so glad thanks for that insight
Speaker 2: into the your process. And I think in the case
Speaker 2: of Rite health break, like, yeah, that probably was who
Speaker 2: was the best on their board play, especially when you're
Speaker 2: picking in the middle of the round. Right well, with
Speaker 2: Blake Brian, I think it probably was a mix. Right
Speaker 2: was the number one on the board? Probably not. Was
Speaker 2: it someone that they really wanted and realized he wasn't
Speaker 2: going to be there the next time around? Yes, And
Speaker 2: so you make it happen. You have to. You have
Speaker 2: to elevate those high school players because it's it's just
Speaker 2: going to cost more, and when you get to that
Speaker 2: range of the draft, those are the guys that are
Speaker 2: going to come off the board. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I always kind of go back and forth on this,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's a mix. You have to acknowledge
Speaker 2: that all these all these teams are playing the game
Speaker 2: in that degree there's there's very few. There's very few
Speaker 2: teams now that are just picking and giving everybody slot.
Speaker 2: That is a very short and small number of teams.
Speaker 2: And you can just say that that's stupid, that that's
Speaker 2: how our draft works, and I would say, yep, I
Speaker 2: can't tell you you're wrong, But to me, it also
Speaker 2: kind of makes it fun, the unpredictability of it.
Speaker 3: I have a question. So, you know, the one thing
Speaker 3: that they said that they were they saw the trend
Speaker 3: of hitters going early, so they leaned into college pitchers
Speaker 3: with power stuff, big bodies, guys that can log innings.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, four through seven they took you know,
Speaker 3: four college pitchers Josh McDevitt, mer Curious, Mitch Michael Whorley,
Speaker 3: and Carson Turnquist, who is a Timmy John survivor. And
Speaker 3: I was just curious amongst those four who kind of
Speaker 3: jumps out to you the most, like that the dbacs
Speaker 3: have a better chance of being able to develop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say that Mercurious is the one.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's certainly the one that I think casual
Speaker 2: fans have become more familiar with. And Worley is very
Speaker 2: interesting that one's he's certainly on my radar as someone
Speaker 2: who kind of popped right. You're not seeing that many
Speaker 2: guys getting picked out of Stony Brooks, so whenever that happens,
Speaker 2: that's gonna and not just Stony Brooks. Someone who is
Speaker 2: like from the middle of the country and went to
Speaker 2: California Junior College. Like how he even ended up at
Speaker 2: Stony brook in the first place. I would love to
Speaker 2: learn more about Frankly, but Worley is interesting, but mer
Speaker 2: Curious is the one that I am just like, what
Speaker 2: is I don't know what to expect. This is someone
Speaker 2: who had a lot of There was like real hope
Speaker 2: that he could pitch his way into the top few
Speaker 2: rounds when he transferred to Oklahoma from UNLV, and he
Speaker 2: was so bad in it. I mean, he had like
Speaker 2: a nine era and sec play and he had scattered
Speaker 2: in like some really nice performances here and there, here
Speaker 2: and there, and you would see the stuff. But when
Speaker 2: you're getting shelled against the best competition to that degree,
Speaker 2: even if the stuff looked pretty good, it was kind
Speaker 2: of hard to know what to expect. And then he's
Speaker 2: a key contributor on one of the most incredible College
Speaker 2: World Series runs we've ever seen. At the same time,
Speaker 2: he also wasn't starting right. We see him bouncing back
Speaker 2: and forth between the bullpen and the rotations, so you know,
Speaker 2: you watch him and he certainly looks the part. But
Speaker 2: that is another one that I imagine is going to need
Speaker 2: some developmental love. And I don't know, back to the
Speaker 2: point about Blake Bryan, It's like it's a different conversation
Speaker 2: when you're talking about a college guy. But that's another
Speaker 2: one that it'll be interesting to see what tweaks that
Speaker 2: they make with him. And also in round five, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you do just see him as as like a
Speaker 2: multi inning reliever, and then he could thrive in that role.
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't feel as much pressure to continue to
Speaker 2: develop him as a starter. I think that'll be really
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know Ian Revin said anything
Speaker 2: about that, but yeah, I'm're curious just because of the
Speaker 2: trajectory of his season, which certainly ended in triumphant fashion.
Speaker 2: I just am really interested to see what happens next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to start him as a starter, but
Speaker 3: you know, we'll see how long that left.
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned over text earlier in the week,
Speaker 1: Jordan that you have plenty of Carson Curse thoughts Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: fifty third overall pick, second rounder shortstop by of Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: Would would love to hear what you got on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is just a classic case of
Speaker 2: like and I honestly am kind of bummed. I'm now.
Speaker 2: I know he doesn't go in the top fifty, but
Speaker 2: this is someone that as the Springer's going on, I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I'd love to find a way to
Speaker 2: get this guy on my list. I saw him in person.
Speaker 2: I saw Georgia Tech. There's like bludgeon Boston College for
Speaker 2: for a few days at the end of the season.
Speaker 2: In person, That's when I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: Von Lackey, Oh my god, Von Lackey. But also Carson
Speaker 2: Curs Man, Like, this dude is a really really impressive player,
Speaker 2: and he is in an era of guys are just
Speaker 2: going to you know, five schools in five years and
Speaker 2: the portal the portal Mania, And there's plenty of that
Speaker 2: across the world. I just mentioned one with We're Curious,
Speaker 2: and Helford kind of fits this too, I should say, right,
Speaker 2: But guys that play at that start or play a
Speaker 2: lot all three years at one school. But this sounds
Speaker 2: so stupid because this is like what college baseball was
Speaker 2: for a long time, but now it's like this rarity.
Speaker 2: But you if you have someone that starts with three
Speaker 2: years at the same place and just takes a big
Speaker 2: step forward each of those successive years, I just love that.
Speaker 2: I love that trend line, and really nobody embodies it
Speaker 2: more than Carson Curse, who played a lot as a freshman,
Speaker 2: only hits two homers, seven fifty nine ops, jumps to
Speaker 2: eight seventy one as a sophomore, and then this year
Speaker 2: was one of the best players in college baseball. Twenty
Speaker 2: nine doubles is just outrageous. Eleven homers. How much power
Speaker 2: is really going to be in there at the next level.
Speaker 2: I think we'll see. But he can play shortstop. He's
Speaker 2: got great contact skills. I ended up not putting him
Speaker 2: on just because he is right handed and he doesn't
Speaker 2: really have a lot of power. And there's some people
Speaker 2: that are still not like, oh my god, he's the best.
Speaker 2: He's an amazing shortstop. But there's a lot to like here,
Speaker 2: and this could be a situation where, if it goes well,
Speaker 2: we're kind of looking up in a year and being like, well, duh,
Speaker 2: Like look what he did his junior year. This guy
Speaker 2: was one of the best players in the country. Like
Speaker 2: what more did you want them to do? So I'm
Speaker 2: I'm all in again. Do I think this guy's gonna
Speaker 2: slid close to seven hundred in pro ball? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think that. But what a fun
Speaker 2: player and what a what a cool what a cool
Speaker 2: rise for him to play his way up to this.
Speaker 2: But because you know, a year ago, it would have
Speaker 2: been like nice eighth round and he'll get drafted because
Speaker 2: he's playing, you know, starting infielder a really good acc school,
Speaker 2: but he did not pop as like stand out prospect
Speaker 2: in a way that he really did by the end
Speaker 2: of the season.
Speaker 3: That's exciting. By the way, how much college baseball do
Speaker 3: you get to watch? That's great that you were able
Speaker 3: to go watch them play, like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I dude, I try. I try to watch
Speaker 2: as much as I can, and frankly, like obviously on
Speaker 2: the weekends, it's become much more watchable just in terms
Speaker 2: of it being broadcasted. I mean that was this case.
Speaker 2: I try to get out. I don't live near a
Speaker 2: whole lot of high level college baseball. But you know,
Speaker 2: when I'm traveling, I try at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 2: Like I like to line up my spring training trip
Speaker 2: with the college baseball opening weekend so I can see
Speaker 2: a bunch of players there. That's always good. And yeah,
Speaker 2: whenever I travel, if I can, if I can go
Speaker 2: down and see guys in person, it's it's it's I
Speaker 2: always find it to be really valuable. And also just
Speaker 2: like you just have the history with these guys, I
Speaker 2: think the high schoolers there's always just a lot more mystery.
Speaker 2: And that's why I like to go to the combine
Speaker 2: and get to know some of these high school kids.
Speaker 2: I didn't meet with Blake Bryant, but some of these
Speaker 2: other top high school picks getting to know them because
Speaker 2: I just I have never covered like any of the
Speaker 2: showcase stuff or followed that. So whereas with the college players,
Speaker 2: especially who've been there for three or four years, I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys have a lot of history. They have a
Speaker 2: lot of data to evaluate, but also just really interesting journeys,
Speaker 2: like just an interesting path and not to steer the
Speaker 2: conversation too hard, but like that's what makes some of
Speaker 2: their later picks, some of their later college picks. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are some crazy trajectories with some of these players,
Speaker 2: and those are the stories that just like capture my
Speaker 2: heart because I recognize that the chances of any of
Speaker 2: these Day two guys becoming big leaders as low. But
Speaker 2: they got drafted for a reason, and some of these
Speaker 2: players have really followed some interesting paths, whether it is
Speaker 2: multiple schools, whether it is just breaking out late. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, they definitely have a few of those guys
Speaker 2: late in their draft class that stand out to me.
Speaker 3: That's a perfect segue because you know, one other thing
Speaker 3: that Ian said to us was as he ran down
Speaker 3: the list of Day two guys and especially you know
Speaker 3: from eleven to twenty, he said, they all have a
Speaker 3: carrying tool.
Speaker 2: And you know he was Moran.
Speaker 3: It just kind of really reminded me of back in
Speaker 3: the old money ball days, like you know, focus on
Speaker 3: what the player can do, not what he can. So,
Speaker 3: you know, with that in mind, let's dig in, man, Like,
Speaker 3: tell us you know who's really jumping off the page
Speaker 3: for you What what what's the best stories that you
Speaker 3: see out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll go, I'll go, I'll do four of
Speaker 2: them and I'll try to I'll try to do it quickly. Well,
Speaker 2: the one that I don't know as much about, like personally,
Speaker 2: but from a prospect standpoint clearly is someone that THEBA
Speaker 2: experis should be paying attention to is the eleventh rounder
Speaker 2: Cody Bouchell. Just because he was I think that this
Speaker 2: is someone that is going to get a seven figure
Speaker 2: bonus and assuming he is going to sign, and normally
Speaker 2: eleventh rounder is there's a reason they're getting picked like that,
Speaker 2: that is they have some sort of deal in place,
Speaker 2: big lefty first base, and like, this is someone that
Speaker 2: would not be surprising if he becomes one of their
Speaker 2: better hitting prospects. So as far as like this guy
Speaker 2: should be on your prospect list radar, I would say,
Speaker 2: Cody Bochell, you should definitely be and do. But as
Speaker 2: far as just like human beings and like trajectories to
Speaker 2: be invested in, I would say the three that I
Speaker 2: definitely want to highlight are Paul Schoenfeld, Chris Katz, and
Speaker 2: Andrew Wurtz. So Schoenfeld I don't know as much about,
Speaker 2: but he really popped on our radar this year because
Speaker 2: this is a D two guy centerfield, incredible centerfield. If
Speaker 2: we're talking about carrying tools, terrific centerfield, are huge part
Speaker 2: of the West Virginia team that went to the College
Speaker 2: World Series for the first time. So Shoan Feld's really interesting.
Speaker 2: He's obviously, all three of these guys are old, right,
Speaker 2: these are twenty three year old, so these are not
Speaker 2: going to cost very much in terms of signing bonuses.
Speaker 2: But they had big enough and interesting seasons to get drafted.
Speaker 2: And then Chris Katz is a wild one. This dude
Speaker 2: wasn't Wake Forest for four years, really just barely played.
Speaker 2: He just did not could not get on the field.
Speaker 2: He performed well in the summer in the Valley League,
Speaker 2: and then this year transfers to Mercer as a fifth
Speaker 2: year senior and has one of the best seasons in
Speaker 2: college baseball. I mean, there's really no other way to
Speaker 2: put you. You put up his season statistically against anybody else,
Speaker 2: and you know he's playing mostly first base, corner outfield.
Speaker 2: He's a right handed hitter. But the numbers are just outrageous.
Speaker 2: But the fun fact about Chris Katz that I did
Speaker 2: not know until more recently is that he was on
Speaker 2: the USA Baseball twelve U national team, which the fact
Speaker 2: that this even exists to begin with, is already a
Speaker 2: little bit like what are we doing? Why are we
Speaker 2: sending twelve year olds to compete in Taiwan? But like,
Speaker 2: you know, I love the LILL League World Series, but
Speaker 2: really the best twelve year olds are playing on this team.
Speaker 2: And Chris Kads was on this team in twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: that went to Taiwan, that won the gold medal, that
Speaker 2: had a bunch of future big leaguers on that team,
Speaker 2: including Nick Kurtz, his former teammate at Wake Forest, who
Speaker 2: at that point was like the Sho Heeo Tani of
Speaker 2: twelve year olds. He was like leading the team at innings,
Speaker 2: leading the team at homers. So anyway, that's Chris Katz,
Speaker 2: So you know, they never speak for themselves. And then
Speaker 2: finally Andrew works the twentieth rounder, pick number five, ninety six. Listen,
Speaker 2: there was only so many twentieth rounders that I can
Speaker 2: say I've seen pitch in person, but this is one
Speaker 2: of them. This guy's is another three schools three school
Speaker 2: Journey D two Stone Hill D three Salve Regina, Who's
Speaker 2: shirt I'm wearing today, shouts out to their head coach,
Speaker 2: Eric Soirella, who I'm tight with. I went and saw
Speaker 2: Salve play last spring in Boston, and I saw Andrew
Speaker 2: Worth's pitch and I was like, damn, what's this guy
Speaker 2: doing in D three He's got some good stuff. Sure enough,
Speaker 2: transferred to Northeastern and he's one of the best relievers
Speaker 2: in that conference this year. And now he's now he's
Speaker 2: in the Diamondbacks organization. So the journey continues for Andrew Wurtz.
Speaker 2: Northeastern kid, I believe it's from New Hampshire, so not
Speaker 2: a lot of big leaguers coming out of Dover, but yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I mean those are those are my guys. So all
Speaker 2: old pressure on the Dbacks Development's little system to keep
Speaker 2: these players relevant and uh maybe maybe you know, at
Speaker 2: some point of the next few years, I'll come to
Speaker 2: spring training and I'll be on a backfield with one
Speaker 2: of you guys somewhere and I'll be like.
Speaker 4: Oh, man, there's Andrew Wurtz throwing Corbin Carrol or whatever.
Speaker 2: That'll fire me up if I ever get to do that.
Speaker 3: Jesse, you got to blow Jordan's cover here. How he
Speaker 3: signed in to the to the pod.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jordan may or may not have joined
Speaker 1: this episode as number one. Andrew Wurtz fan. It's like
Speaker 1: his little uh title.
Speaker 2: Okay, someone's got to be got right. I mean, I
Speaker 2: presumably like his family is bigger fans than I am.
Speaker 2: But maybe you know I'm for this kid. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: love it so and and but look, I'm excited to
Speaker 2: look like I don't. I'll be honest. You know I
Speaker 2: know what rounds thirteen through nine seventeen, I got nothing.
Speaker 2: I've never never heard of any of these guys. So
Speaker 2: I'm excited to know I'm doing my best here. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to keep up, but I'm sure I'll learn about
Speaker 2: So if Jack span Your or Andrew Evans ends up
Speaker 2: being awesome and I didn't tell you about it, like,
Speaker 2: that's on me. I apologize. This is great.
Speaker 1: Well, well, we won't hold it against you, Jordan, we
Speaker 1: won't hold it against you. Well we could. We could
Speaker 1: go on for for much longer, I am sure. But
Speaker 1: but Jordan, we really appreciate your time, all your dedication
Speaker 1: to staying on top of all this stuff. I know
Speaker 1: it's been a busy week for you, so so thanks
Speaker 1: again for hopping on. We really appreciate it, really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Brandon down you probably deserve more time. But
Speaker 2: you know what, Yeah, well we'll do it. Next time
Speaker 2: I come on, we'll we'll talk about it more. So,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you both for having me on. This
Speaker 2: was really fun, really cool to have this platform to
Speaker 2: talk about these picks. And yeah, well we'll see how
Speaker 2: it goes. I look forward to doing this again soon.
Speaker 1: Thanks George.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in to Snake's territory as we knew the show.
Speaker 1: With a few final notes here at the end, just
Speaker 1: a few things to hit on. First of all, Jack,
Speaker 1: Tommy Troy unfortunately has landed on the injured list. This
Speaker 1: is news that we just got in the past forty
Speaker 1: eight hours or so. He is going to the ten
Speaker 1: day injured list with a sprained right aca joint. This
Speaker 1: of course came as a result of banging into the
Speaker 1: center field wall on Saturday in Los Angeles. And this
Speaker 1: isn't great, Jack. I know Tommy Troy was not necessarily
Speaker 1: clicking on all cylinders at the plate, but he was
Speaker 1: an important part of this team's outfield depth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really rough, you know, I mean it
Speaker 3: fits the most mild form. Look, this is sprained it
Speaker 3: right a sea joint. Is he dislocated it at least temporarily?
Speaker 3: You know, maybe it just popped right back in that
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but you know, if it's the smallest
Speaker 3: grade or most easiest Grade one two that's still at
Speaker 3: least a couple of weeks. So, I mean, look, you're
Speaker 3: not going to see Tommy Troy before August one, almost
Speaker 3: thousand percent certain on that. The question, and we'll find
Speaker 3: out from Tori when we see him during workouts Thursday
Speaker 3: night or by Friday afternoon will be you know, are
Speaker 3: we looking at a grade three or four where you're
Speaker 3: talking about over a month missing, you know, and I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a type of injury that's going to
Speaker 3: likely require surgery, but you know, we'll find out about
Speaker 3: that soon. So my guess is that the most optimistic
Speaker 3: is he's going to be out two weeks to anywhere
Speaker 3: to six or eight. So we'll just have to find out.
Speaker 3: So don't expect to see Tommy Troy for a while,
Speaker 3: which creates some issues for them. I mean, they they
Speaker 3: got to replace him. We don't know who that's going
Speaker 3: to be just yet. Again, we might not know that
Speaker 3: until Thursday night or even Friday during the day. You
Speaker 3: have basically four players in the minor league that are
Speaker 3: on the forty man IL forty man roster. Lou James
Speaker 3: Gruverer Tyler Locklear, Adrian del Castillo and Jose Fernandez, and
Speaker 3: they need an infielder. I mean they're going to have
Speaker 3: to add an infielder. They don't need seven outfielders six outfielders.
Speaker 3: So my guess is probably going to be Locklier. I
Speaker 3: think it's his turn to get a shot. I mean
Speaker 3: he's been hot lately. Maybe he's been beating up on
Speaker 3: some week pitching. But bottom lines, as he was PCL
Speaker 3: Player of the Week. You know they traded for him,
Speaker 3: So don't be surprised if they bring him in because
Speaker 3: you can play Tim Tower anywhere. They need more coverage
Speaker 3: in the outfield. They want to rotate still the first base.
Speaker 3: If they can play Tim at third base, if Nola
Speaker 3: needs a day off, you still have Vargus to back
Speaker 3: up a short stop at the second base. So my
Speaker 3: guess is probably going to be Lockleier. But you never know. Fernandez, Groover,
Speaker 3: they could also be guys that get called them. Fernandez
Speaker 3: has been hot in July, he's hitting three seventy one
Speaker 3: for the month. And Groover, you know, I mean he
Speaker 3: had a shot. Now whether or not they would bring
Speaker 3: him right back, which they can because of an injury,
Speaker 3: but you know, maybe it's somebody else's turn, so we
Speaker 3: have to see. Now there's the last thing on this
Speaker 3: is there is an open spot on the forty man roster,
Speaker 3: So if they did want to add somebody like Christian Robinson,
Speaker 3: theoretically they could, but I just don't think the odds
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: Are very high.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. Robinson has a seven
Speaker 1: ninety seven ops this season in Reno, which is decent,
Speaker 1: but considering the ballpark environment and so forth, not necessarily
Speaker 1: jumping off the page. So be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks do. Their unfortunate news for Tommy Troy. Hopefully
Speaker 1: he's able to get back soon. Also on the injury front,
Speaker 1: Jack there was a picture floating around on social media
Speaker 1: of Heraldo Perdomo with his hand wristd area wrapped up,
Speaker 1: and people were slightly concerned about this, like is Perdomo
Speaker 1: going to open the second half on the injured list.
Speaker 1: We got a report from Steve Gilbert on this yesterday.
Speaker 1: He said that Perdomo received a cortizone injection in his
Speaker 1: left wrist to battle some inflammation that he's experienced in
Speaker 1: that area, and it is not a serious injury. According
Speaker 1: to Mike Haysen, Perdomo is still expected to play on
Speaker 1: Friday against the Cardinals, so crisis averted there. Jack sounds
Speaker 1: like Perdomo is going to be just fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of people nervous, but you know
Speaker 3: the fact that it was a wrap not a cast
Speaker 3: was encouraging to astute observers, And it turns out that's
Speaker 3: the case. So usually courtizone shots you need three four
Speaker 3: days to rebound from, so that timing works out. Like
Speaker 3: you said, he's expected to play on Friday, you know,
Speaker 3: hopefully there's nothing else going on there. I assume it
Speaker 3: was from the hit by pitch against the Dodgers. I've
Speaker 3: also seen some awkward swings, so hard to say exactly
Speaker 3: what caused it when we talked to him. Well, we'll
Speaker 3: find out.
Speaker 1: Another piece of news that we got here in the
Speaker 1: last couple of days is that Pavid Smith is in
Speaker 1: fact in the organization. He has cleared waivers and has
Speaker 1: been outrighted to triple a reno. So Smith is still
Speaker 1: in the organization. I know. I think you and I
Speaker 1: touched on this on the show at one point and
Speaker 1: suggested that another team probably would claim peven when when
Speaker 1: if he was designated for assignment. So this came as
Speaker 1: a little bit of a surprise to me, Jack, But
Speaker 1: I guess also just reflects that the Diamondbacks are not
Speaker 1: the only team that had some doubts about Peven Smith,
Speaker 1: that maybe his perception around the league is also not
Speaker 1: that of you know, a league average type hitter that
Speaker 1: technically he's been over his career.
Speaker 3: Or the other take on that is, the Diamondbacks were
Speaker 3: the only team in baseball that felt that Peven Smith
Speaker 3: can hit.
Speaker 1: Also possible this is true, so Peven is still in
Speaker 1: the organization. I mean, theoretically he could he could come
Speaker 1: back up to the big leagues at some point. I
Speaker 1: don't expect that to happen anytime soon, certainly not right now.
Speaker 1: I think Tyler Locklear would would certainly get a shot
Speaker 1: in the big leagues before Smith would. Maybe the DBACS
Speaker 1: would would bring Groover back as well before they would
Speaker 1: do that. So I don't think a Paven Smith returned
Speaker 1: to the big leagues is imminent, but doesn't hurt to
Speaker 1: have him in the organization. Still, as far as guys
Speaker 1: that you could have as available depth, you could, you
Speaker 1: could do a lot worse than him, so, so Smith
Speaker 1: stays in the organization. One other storyline, I guess is
Speaker 1: there anything else on peven Jack before we.
Speaker 3: Well, I've thought that our good friend Diamondback stabs an
Speaker 3: info highlighted in his Twitter account a blurb from the
Speaker 3: from an article on MLB Trade Rumors. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if you happen to have that handy by any chance.
Speaker 3: If not, I will find it. Yeah, but I thought
Speaker 3: that that's important information.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can drag it in here
Speaker 1: we are. I'll go ahead and read this out. This
Speaker 1: is from MLB Trade Rumors. Some good information on Pavent
Speaker 1: Smith's situation. It says Smith has the right to elect
Speaker 1: free agency, but isn't likely to do so. Players with
Speaker 1: at least three years of service time have the right
Speaker 1: to reject outright assignments in favor of the open market,
Speaker 1: but if they have less than five years of service,
Speaker 1: they have to forfeit their remaining salary commitments and exercising
Speaker 1: that right. Smith is in that three to five window
Speaker 1: and is making two point twenty five million dollars this year.
Speaker 1: That leaves about nine hundred thousand dollars still to be
Speaker 1: paid out, assuming he doesn't want to leave that on
Speaker 1: the table. Smith will report to Reno, So yeah, helpful
Speaker 1: contacts there. It seems like just from a financial standpoint,
Speaker 1: it makes more sense for Pavin to return to the
Speaker 1: organization and stay in Reno than to pursue something on
Speaker 1: the open market.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. I mean, no one's spitting away nine
Speaker 3: hundred k. I mean, you know, he could gamble that
Speaker 3: no team wanted to pick up the remaining amount of
Speaker 3: his MLB salary, and you know, he would get signed
Speaker 3: as a free agent at league minimum, you know, for
Speaker 3: the remaining two and a half months of the two
Speaker 3: plus months of the season. So then you're looking at
Speaker 3: about four hundred thousand, so you know, and that's if
Speaker 3: he got signed by a major league organization to a
Speaker 3: major league contract, So you know, the best case scenarios,
Speaker 3: he would lose five hundred k. So nobody's spitting away
Speaker 3: that kind of money. So that makes total sense.
Speaker 1: The last thing we wanted to hit on on this
Speaker 1: episode is that Mike Hazen apparently had a discussion with
Speaker 1: the team before the All Star break festivities began. Sounds
Speaker 1: like this was sort of in contrast to last year
Speaker 1: where Hazen had of course, a big conversation with the
Speaker 1: team once the team was officially selling and Hazen was
Speaker 1: starting to make those moves. This time around, it happens
Speaker 1: before all of those decisions are made and Hazen, it
Speaker 1: sounds like Jack, according to the reporting we've gotten, he
Speaker 1: just wanted to make it really clear to the team
Speaker 1: the opportunity that's in front of them, the importance of
Speaker 1: coming out and playing well to start the second half,
Speaker 1: and really to force his hand to go out there
Speaker 1: and to add to this roster. And it sounds like
Speaker 1: players were also encouraged to come to him with any
Speaker 1: any questions or concerns or whatnot. He's been just kind
Speaker 1: of very upfront and honest about where the team is
Speaker 1: and he wanted players to be very clear on that
Speaker 1: before they enter the second half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the way Steve you know, wrote it,
Speaker 3: players were encouraged to speak to him privately if they
Speaker 3: had any concerns about his message or wanted to share
Speaker 3: their feelings about it. So, you know, his message was, Hey,
Speaker 3: you know, you guys got to do this now and
Speaker 3: turned me into a buyer. You know, it's up to you, guys,
Speaker 3: It's in your hands. What I'm going to do next.
Speaker 3: So I mean that puts a lot of pressure on
Speaker 3: them too. As we've seen over and over and over
Speaker 3: with the Arizona Diamondbacks, when there are low expectations, they
Speaker 3: do well. When they're a high dias they do poorly.
Speaker 3: Or is that just regression to the mean? Jesse, I
Speaker 3: don't know, help me out here.
Speaker 1: Who's to say? Nobody knows? But yeah, definitely a change
Speaker 1: of course here for Hazen trying to get in front
Speaker 1: of this. His exact quote was, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: wait to hold back some of the things I wanted
Speaker 1: to say to them that maybe I should have said
Speaker 1: last year on July first. So this is him kind
Speaker 1: of looking at the way things turned out last year
Speaker 1: and wanting to wanting to change course there. Granted, yeah,
Speaker 1: we did hear Corbyn Carroll talk about how the team
Speaker 1: was pressing, you know, going into the trade deadline a
Speaker 1: season ago, and some part of me is like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the GM, you know, giving this sort
Speaker 1: of talk in front of everyone is going to prevent that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it might make that an issue, But
Speaker 1: you know, what, do I know? These are these are
Speaker 1: real human beings and I'm not in I wasn't in
Speaker 1: that meeting. I wasn't in that room to see everyone's faces.
Speaker 1: Maybe they view this as being very motivating and energizing
Speaker 1: going into the second half, and that sets the stage four.
Speaker 1: This weekend, Jack Diamondbacks have three very important games against
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals at home. Of course, ten of
Speaker 1: their first thirteen games coming out of the break are
Speaker 1: against teams that they are directly competing with in the
Speaker 1: wildcard race, so it is hard to overstate the importance
Speaker 1: of the games this weekend the games coming up after that.
Speaker 1: We don't have pitching matchups as of right now, but
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll get that here before too long.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there are workouts at Chase Field Thursday night, and
Speaker 3: we will get a chance to talk to Tory, so
Speaker 3: you know, we'll come be and we'll see him again
Speaker 3: on Friday afternoon. So when we do our live show
Speaker 3: on Friday evening postgame at Chase Field, we'll have lots
Speaker 3: of updates and information for you guys, as well as
Speaker 3: the game. We can here we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next show will be live from Chase Field after
Speaker 1: Friday night's game. I'll be out there as well. Jack
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