Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2: Hey guys, have you watched Sirens No Good?
Speaker 3: Is it good?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I finished watching.
Speaker 1: Oh, I watched like half, maybe not even half of
Speaker 1: the first one. I'm like, I can't tell if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like it.
Speaker 2: You're it's good, it's on my Oh. Hannah goes yes,
Speaker 2: so good and faith I can't ever say I don't know.
Speaker 2: I actually don't know how to pronounce her last name.
Speaker 2: She's everywhere. She is in that one Netflix show, but
Speaker 2: then she's like been in you know, literally she's I
Speaker 2: just watched the movie with her called The Drop with
Speaker 2: a Brendan I'm gonna I don't know name. She was
Speaker 2: in The Perfect Stranger. Yeah, I mean so much. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, she's blowing it up. She's good though.
Speaker 2: I like her. I so I saw that. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'd like to check it out. But I am so
Speaker 2: behind on so many shows because I'm in I watched
Speaker 2: four seasons right now with so good Steve Carell. It's funny,
Speaker 2: it's very real for is fiction, like as you know,
Speaker 2: like it's not real, but it's very real. I'm a
Speaker 2: big Steve Girl fan. I think he's so Yeah. I
Speaker 2: ran to him a Starbucks one time and.
Speaker 3: There, Yeah, I was like one of the first time
Speaker 3: I was fun and he was so like nice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like it when it matches what you
Speaker 2: think they would be.
Speaker 1: And I really do comedy at yeah something. Yeah, that's cute.
Speaker 1: I just remember that was a fun star saying yeah.
Speaker 2: Like that, it's funny. I was just talking with girlfriends. Any.
Speaker 2: I kind of hate it for up and coming actresses
Speaker 2: and actors right now because if it's a good cast,
Speaker 2: I'm in on the show.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of those recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Kate Hudson done, I'm in you know, Steve
Speaker 2: Carrell was in that one. I'm like sure, but that
Speaker 2: Sirens was really great. They say, hey, hey, that's the
Speaker 2: whole point. Okay, it's like a thing in there and
Speaker 2: you're like hey, And I was like, oh, hey, can
Speaker 2: you guys start calling me Kiki tablet. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: another time. Hey, how do you guys doings go on? Good?
Speaker 3: I'm good. We don't sound.
Speaker 2: I do have something I'll probably bring to the podcast
Speaker 2: in maybe a week or two. MM. You're letting it brew.
Speaker 2: You're letting it simmer. I'm letting it actually breathe instead.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm gonna do that. Therapist Sam, he's been
Speaker 2: online one this morning, so we're chatting it through. Who's
Speaker 2: it about? Kid? Husband? Neither neither. No, So let's just
Speaker 2: let hate that. This is what you do to us, Cliffhanger.
Speaker 3: Are we already online about it?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, No, it's I just I just want
Speaker 2: to give it a minute before I give it, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm giving it real air before we give it on air,
Speaker 2: because sometimes it gets a little it's layered.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Love Amy, she's an organ right now. Yeah. She thought
Speaker 2: of me last night, and so when I text sent
Speaker 2: her a little voice note in some sort of desperation,
Speaker 2: just like need some clarity or somewhere to bounce this
Speaker 2: off of, she was like, I thought of you last night,
Speaker 2: And I think that's usually when God is like speaking
Speaker 2: into a situation. So that feels good. Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 2: for summer, so that's what I have. I actually don't
Speaker 2: really have a wine about it either, because I just
Speaker 2: love summer and I'm excited. We're not doing camps, really,
Speaker 2: we're just going all in. Is that I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm the odd man out.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's been fine.
Speaker 2: It's been two days.
Speaker 3: I mean it hasn't been that long. Yeah, it hasn't
Speaker 3: been that long. We haven't had that much so, like
Speaker 3: one of my kids has gone, so it really hasn't been.
Speaker 2: Are they camping? Does anybody can do you care? We're
Speaker 2: doing a week of Christian camp. It's like an outdoorbe
Speaker 2: a deer run. Oh yeah, yeah, so it's we're doing
Speaker 2: that for a week. When is that? And have been something? Okay,
Speaker 2: it's a week in June. So is this the first time? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And they just go all day? Yeah, okay, are you
Speaker 2: nervous about ticks?
Speaker 3: Oh, they'll have ticks for sure, that's fine.
Speaker 2: They just had to get a tick off of Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've already had to get ticks my kids this summer.
Speaker 2: I was like, what is that? And then everywhere they're
Speaker 2: wild Dramatic experience. Love is doing a fine arts camp.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, so you are doing a camp. It's our
Speaker 2: first only camp, but like that's it. And it's at
Speaker 2: the same time as like Leggie's Little Summer Baseball and
Speaker 2: then that's a wrap for summer activities like in summer
Speaker 2: baseball's like three weekends. So I like that, right, I know,
Speaker 2: I'm like excited, Guys, I don't know why. I just
Speaker 2: need the weather to get a little warmer.
Speaker 3: I know I haven't loved that. It hasn't felt like summer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so for me, I'm kind of like, I mean,
Speaker 1: i feel like I've been inside me. Ramsey's had like
Speaker 1: a little softball camp that's been a couple hours for
Speaker 1: like three days, but like she wants to go swimming
Speaker 1: every day and I'm like, it's freezing.
Speaker 2: We're classify as a camp. I mean, you know a camp.
Speaker 2: It's like you have a done ball and a flashlight
Speaker 2: and hoping Jesus.
Speaker 3: And any of those kind of camps.
Speaker 2: Doing a sleep away next year because that's the first
Speaker 2: year that you can do a sleep away. Yeah, it's fourth.
Speaker 2: What do you feel about that? She wants to so like, absolutely,
Speaker 2: that's what you want to do. Is it far? No,
Speaker 2: it's just Dear Run. If anyone she's at her vacation
Speaker 2: home a Deer Run there's their residence. I love that,
Speaker 2: though I'm excited for she actually wants to do well.
Speaker 2: I saw the cabins there. We just did a camp
Speaker 2: a day camp for school, and I saw the Cabins
Speaker 2: and it's like love was like, now, tell me about
Speaker 2: these cabins, and they, oh, you went to Deer Run. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like the day Okay, I've never been. Oh it's so
Speaker 2: it's cute. It's literally out of a movie. It makes
Speaker 2: me want to go to camp. It made me want
Speaker 2: to like plan a camp. Well, so I started watching
Speaker 2: shows with Jolie and Jayce, you know, because they're always
Speaker 2: watching the same ones, like Jase wants to watch The
Speaker 2: Sonic One. Uh, Jolie, which one does she she wants
Speaker 2: to watch some like zombie Land thing. And so I'm like, guys,
Speaker 2: two really good movies. I need you guys to watch.
Speaker 2: So we watched The Parent Trap all fun and it
Speaker 2: was like introducing Lindsay Lohan to watch that. Now. I
Speaker 2: was the only one that ended up watching both movies
Speaker 2: because it's like they're they get bored.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get bored with those older movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried to not retain their Julie a little bit,
Speaker 2: Jace again a little bit, and then it was like done.
Speaker 2: But then we watched It Takes Two, you know, Gutenberg,
Speaker 2: who I just did a movie with, and so, which
Speaker 2: by the way, comes out June seventh on Lifetime. Check
Speaker 2: it out. Uh so, but that movie was The Camp
Speaker 2: Yes with the Girls, and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: would be so I never got to do that.
Speaker 3: I never had either.
Speaker 2: I did like as I got older, Margie Man Camp
Speaker 2: Across Country Camp. That's cute. That's cute. It's not really
Speaker 2: what you want to say.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It sounds like maybe what else would you like to
Speaker 2: say about No. I love that band camp going. I
Speaker 2: mean I opened it wide open anybody anybody I haven't.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 2: A character based off of it for you know, and
Speaker 2: no backbracee band camp. I mean, guys, if if ever
Speaker 2: there was a time to just live in. But that's
Speaker 2: great though. It's better than being on video games all day.
Speaker 2: Builds character absolutely being on video games.
Speaker 1: I love how they can't take because you know, most
Speaker 1: of these Sleepway camps they can't take their phones.
Speaker 3: So that's what I also love.
Speaker 1: Like for the older ones, like Caiden's done it every
Speaker 1: year until this year, he won't do it this year.
Speaker 1: Emmy started probably about fourth or fifth grade doing one,
Speaker 1: and then this summer she's just gonna do like a
Speaker 1: regular church camp.
Speaker 2: But we need to actually do the Sleepoy one next
Speaker 2: year at the same time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see Ramsey do it.
Speaker 1: Like Emmy and Cayden were like, Peace, don't need to
Speaker 1: call you for a week. I am fine, Ramsey, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she'd be fine. All my kids
Speaker 1: are pretty independent. She's probably the least. I still think
Speaker 1: she'd be fine. But like the others were like Peace
Speaker 1: and not even thought about it, Ransey, You'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see if she would do it.
Speaker 2: Love still thinks she's connected with the Umbilition, definitely, not
Speaker 2: that that would be like great pick me up at
Speaker 2: too pm today sounds great. Yeah, interesting, we'll try it on.
Speaker 3: We'll try I'll try it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Very cool, very cool, very cool, very cool. Cram
Speaker 2: or anything. Any updates? I mean, I've got so I
Speaker 2: got this offer finally came in today.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And they're like, you start on Sunday.
Speaker 3: No, I can't. I just knew this was going to happen.
Speaker 2: Another movie. Yeah, are you leaving? No this guy, there's like, no,
Speaker 2: she's not leaving this. We've already agreed to do something else. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's a bummer because I wish I could say who
Speaker 2: the actor was. He's a very very well known actor
Speaker 2: and he's writing it, he's directing it. Problem is, there's
Speaker 2: only sixty pages, so it's not even a finished script.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I had a call today with the
Speaker 2: person that was doing it. I'm like, okay, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna start filming on Sunday. Where is the rest of this?
Speaker 2: He's like, let me know if you have any questions.
Speaker 2: I was like, I actually have a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: Like how about the middle and the end?
Speaker 2: How does it?
Speaker 3: And oh my gosh what He's like, Well, that's.
Speaker 2: Just how he rolls like he's been doing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I understand he is who he is and that is
Speaker 2: that's amazing and I would love nothing more than And
Speaker 2: he's like, and he said, if you don't feel comfortable
Speaker 2: with doing you know, he'll just start talking until because
Speaker 2: what he's doing is he's filming it like adolescents, so
Speaker 2: it's one camera, one thing. So he's like, the first
Speaker 2: scene is like an eighteen minute scene. He's like, so
Speaker 2: if you don't know your words, it's fine. He'll just
Speaker 2: keep talking and then you can catch up to it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay again, in theory, this sounds great.
Speaker 2: I love this idea. Having said that we are this
Speaker 2: is Wednesday, okay, the twenty eighth, and you are starting
Speaker 2: shooting on Sunday. I need to at least know the
Speaker 2: basis of what is happening character wise, so that I
Speaker 2: can know what the hell I'm saying or when I'm
Speaker 2: I saying yes to yeah. And so that's a big
Speaker 2: trust fall. It's and Alan was on the phone with
Speaker 2: me because we had just finished playing tennis, and so
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to call this guy back
Speaker 2: because he's like wanting to book my Airbnb and he's
Speaker 2: asking that questions. I'm like, I would like to know
Speaker 2: how the script ends.
Speaker 3: I have a question, Like I would love to know.
Speaker 2: That piece of it, but they need to film around
Speaker 2: this very big A listers schedule, and in any other world,
Speaker 2: I mean, it would be like duh, we'll go do it.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I can't go do that when I
Speaker 2: don't know what happens in the script. I can't leave
Speaker 2: to pack my bags and be like, what's the script?
Speaker 2: I may be surprised. I'm a little fascinated that this
Speaker 2: can happen, saying that's where I'm stuck.
Speaker 3: I'm like, does this happen?
Speaker 2: But because this person is who this person is, it
Speaker 2: can happen or just does this apparently? So but I
Speaker 2: texted my agent, I sent her a voice memo and
Speaker 2: I said, Hey, this is where this is at. And
Speaker 2: I I've said, I have now committed. Since you guys
Speaker 2: have been stringing me along this entire time, You've been
Speaker 2: stringing me along on the dates, I have said no
Speaker 2: to two things. My Lifetime movie wants me to promote
Speaker 2: the movie, and I've got another opportunity to do something
Speaker 2: a day in LA and so I have now committed
Speaker 2: to that. So if you can't work around my schedule,
Speaker 2: now I can't do it. You know, because he's like, well, sorry,
Speaker 2: these are we're shooting it in seven days. I'm like,
Speaker 2: my go but shooting what because TVD? I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I'm like and if he but he
Speaker 2: doesn't understand why I don't want to do it. He's like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you can't do it? I can't
Speaker 2: do it because it's like I also like, this person
Speaker 2: doesn't have a family as well, so I'm like, I've
Speaker 2: got kids. I have to figure out I'm like, you
Speaker 2: can't throw this on me and leave start shooting. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, sorry son in four days. So
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with the agent and so I kind
Speaker 2: of want you to take I know why you can't,
Speaker 2: but I oh, the agent said, She's like no, She's like,
Speaker 2: I agree with you too, take it. She goes, this
Speaker 2: seems I mean, I'll tell you all my phones recording.
Speaker 2: But she basically was like, it seems very chaotic and
Speaker 2: not how this normally would go, and for someone it
Speaker 2: should be more thorough and thought out. I just am
Speaker 2: actually floored that they can even present it and be
Speaker 2: casting for something that isn't finished, right unless that is
Speaker 2: well the characters. And that's the thing. Even when you
Speaker 2: read like the script, it's like the names are in
Speaker 2: there as the names, you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Just like it's just and but here's the thing that
Speaker 4: the first there's no character name, just my name, Janna
Speaker 4: Kramer playing Janni Crame.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So and it's again like it would be so
Speaker 2: cool and I wish I could say who it was
Speaker 2: because it would be freaking amazing and so fun. And
Speaker 2: I I just am like, I don't know how I
Speaker 2: can how I could do that? If I was I
Speaker 2: told Alan this, If I was a didn't have kids,
Speaker 2: didn't have anything else going on, why not do it?
Speaker 2: Go have fun? Go shoot this thing in a chaos and.
Speaker 3: Could be fun.
Speaker 2: Could be fun. It could be so fun and creatively.
Speaker 2: I would love nothing more than to work with an
Speaker 2: actor like that. It would be amazing. Having said that,
Speaker 2: I don't want only four days to prepare for something
Speaker 2: up against someone like that too. It also could be
Speaker 2: a disaster. Yeah, because I don't want to suck.
Speaker 1: When you have the first seventy pages, you can for
Speaker 1: sixty sixty Sorry.
Speaker 2: Ninety, we're missing like forty five pages.
Speaker 3: Do you like the script so far?
Speaker 2: It was not what the script was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's fine.
Speaker 2: It was fun, totally different character. This just feels like
Speaker 2: a mad lib. I think, yeah, just stay home, honey,
Speaker 2: we need you here. So I think all that to
Speaker 2: be said is I think I'm gonna not do that one,
Speaker 2: which again is a bummer. But here's my question to you.
Speaker 2: Do I text this aless actor, So we haven't. We've
Speaker 2: only zoomed once. We have had a a group message
Speaker 2: between the one producer and him, but it hasn't really
Speaker 2: been a lot of common But now he wrote the
Speaker 2: script for us, and then this other Academy Award winner
Speaker 2: nominee for nominee who she's accepted the role. I know,
Speaker 2: this is like this, this is where it's hard. This
Speaker 2: is where I'm like, take it, figure it out.
Speaker 3: You can figure out the.
Speaker 2: Because I mean so she's agreed to play the grandma
Speaker 2: in it with him, and then me as that I
Speaker 2: would be. I was the girl that he left behind
Speaker 2: and he went to jail because he murdered someone. So
Speaker 2: it's like this whole like it's a big old I know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it is.
Speaker 3: Like it's a thriller.
Speaker 2: Yeah to a list. I'm I'm like happy to be here.
Speaker 2: Can we reconsider you?
Speaker 3: Can you could figure this out?
Speaker 2: So we're gonna help you figure There's a piece of
Speaker 2: me though, that wants to And I asked Alan, I said,
Speaker 2: do you think I should text him and just say, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, thank you for first of all, loved what
Speaker 2: I read so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, real quick, he didn't write it and.
Speaker 2: It yeah yeah in real time, it seems yeah, in
Speaker 2: real time okay, So and he's in cans writing it
Speaker 2: so like he has a film that he's promoting in
Speaker 2: Cans right now. So there's a piece of me where
Speaker 2: So I got alan, I was like, should I text
Speaker 2: him and say, you know, from what I've read, I
Speaker 2: really like the script. What I'm being told is that
Speaker 2: you have to film in these six to seven days.
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't sure of the time. I have now
Speaker 2: accepted something that I need to go and do for
Speaker 2: a movie for us. Uh, you know, if the schedules
Speaker 2: able to move, would love to be a part of it,
Speaker 2: or you know, hope to work with you. I think
Speaker 2: I think if I don't do it, he'll never respond
Speaker 2: or be like because it's like I'm a dime a dozen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's you know what I'm saying, Like I'm a I'm
Speaker 2: a dime a dozen in this world right to him.
Speaker 2: But even then, hold hold on, hold on. We got
Speaker 2: to really think this is okay.
Speaker 3: This can't go away.
Speaker 2: We can only do someday to so we'd have to
Speaker 2: cancel La bib.
Speaker 3: Well, I understand that, but hold on.
Speaker 2: Where willing to cancel? This is different? No?
Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on? Where is it filming Georgia?
Speaker 1: Okay, I do think it's worth saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I've committed to these things.
Speaker 3: You know I know?
Speaker 1: Or is there any way to work around them? We
Speaker 1: can cancel if we have to.
Speaker 2: Oh, honey, I'm excited for your next.
Speaker 1: I say that knowing that I came or get in there.
Speaker 1: It is definitely not want to you know me. If
Speaker 1: it's something I don't want to cancel, I'm going to
Speaker 1: say it's something you absolutely cannot cancel and you get
Speaker 1: to work around it.
Speaker 3: But I feel like you could and it would be okay.
Speaker 1: And I say that because I don't like the chaoticness
Speaker 1: of it, but that.
Speaker 3: Could be so good for you.
Speaker 2: I love the chaos for you. What is happening, exactly happen?
Speaker 3: Go do it?
Speaker 2: Who has life?
Speaker 1: You did a movie you were I'm sorry, but you
Speaker 1: were in where Bahamas and had to leave and get home,
Speaker 1: figure out your kids, pack a bag, get on a
Speaker 1: plane that night, and go to another movie.
Speaker 2: She does know, but that she did have a script
Speaker 2: from that. I understand why it all feels.
Speaker 3: We're going to start with the sixty pages, I think.
Speaker 2: And I'm going with you. Yeah, And I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is, and I suddenly people, I cannot wait
Speaker 2: to be there to support you emotionally, Georgia. It can
Speaker 2: be for you.
Speaker 3: I can need to do it.
Speaker 2: I actually was talking about you last night. Oh I know,
Speaker 2: he texted me. Well, they called me. Okay, they were
Speaker 2: on a walk listening to us. Okay, was that because
Speaker 2: we were talking a bad about country radio? A program director?
Speaker 1: It's a.
Speaker 2: Program directors. I've in my phone, I've got the names
Speaker 2: and this ship we talked about. And I go and
Speaker 2: they're like, is this still Jannah? And I was like, yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: what's up. He's like, actually, was just talking to Chris,
Speaker 2: And I said and then my mind goes, oh but nothing, no,
Speaker 2: but truth. We're very honest. And I also said that,
Speaker 2: I said, you know, because this person is such a
Speaker 2: such a good dude and a like a buttoned up guy.
Speaker 2: He doesn't understand that their slimy ones out there, which
Speaker 2: I for him, right, I like it. But he's one
Speaker 2: of the ones where I'm like, would love to see
Speaker 2: you and your wife if you came in the nash
Speaker 2: and we're yeah, deeply. So that's like when I see
Speaker 2: what's his face at church all the time? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: He used to be the Norfolk pd UH program director
Speaker 2: John Shombi.
Speaker 3: Oh, he goes to church.
Speaker 2: He goes, he goes to our church. Every time I
Speaker 2: see him and his wife, like, I give them a
Speaker 2: like I love that lovely, Like he was a he
Speaker 2: was a good one, yeah, And Mike is a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: A good MinC. Yes, and we all need one of those.
Speaker 2: So anyways, Oh, it's really tricky these days. Anyways, I
Speaker 2: can tear any wonderful people. And they and we were
Speaker 2: talking about this, I'm going to leap this, get us
Speaker 2: back to your role that you're going to take. I'm
Speaker 2: so sity for you. I'm i gotta get my phone
Speaker 2: back to be like, wait a minute, maybe about it.
Speaker 2: We can pause for that. I was saying to them,
Speaker 2: this version of you, I said, you have to remember,
Speaker 2: like you know, Jana and I have been friends for
Speaker 2: a long time now, like twelve eleven twelve. I met
Speaker 2: you when I was doing radio so long long time ago,
Speaker 2: And I said, I've seen so many different versions of
Speaker 2: who she is, and I am, I'm so proud of
Speaker 2: the person she is now in a different way than
Speaker 2: as a friend, but just like I just really am.
Speaker 2: I love who she is now and I love who
Speaker 2: she's like invested in herself. I love who Alan brings
Speaker 2: out in her. And I texted you and Alan not
Speaker 2: too long ago and was like, I just really love
Speaker 2: that y'all found each other because we get Alan, we
Speaker 2: deserve him. It's been a long ride. And I was
Speaker 2: saying that, I was like, I just think Jana's in
Speaker 2: just such a different, sturdier place, and I think you
Speaker 2: could handle the chaos of this, and I think this
Speaker 2: could be a really good opportunity. These are the kind
Speaker 2: of things that I'm afraid hindsight are like epic because
Speaker 2: they weren't normal. Yeah, and I want it could be
Speaker 2: a train wreck.
Speaker 3: It could.
Speaker 2: But also that Alex said that my agent, she goes
Speaker 2: a single cam, not thought out. We cannot control the
Speaker 2: outcome of it like it is. It could be a mess.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's something to consider and conversation to have.
Speaker 1: I just my fear with what we were saying earlier
Speaker 1: would be that you are a diamond dozen with this actor.
Speaker 1: It would be great to be in with him if
Speaker 1: he is writing scripts, you know, all those things that
Speaker 1: you've already thought about, you know that are obviously also
Speaker 1: important to think about.
Speaker 3: But that's a conversation to have.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it could be a complete where you
Speaker 1: have no control and you're not proud of your work,
Speaker 1: I get that too.
Speaker 2: I just love a well rounded portfolio for you. You've
Speaker 2: done so much, You've grown in your career so much.
Speaker 3: And want you for other stuff, and that is why
Speaker 3: you take a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not many people are going to move into
Speaker 2: the trust fall with him, right, This is a trust
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a trust fall. But this person,
Speaker 2: they are also trying to rebuild the reputation. They might
Speaker 2: not be back in as well, but people will watch
Speaker 2: because of that.
Speaker 3: You can help them.
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is, you do, I don't
Speaker 1: remember you know what name? I don't know Nate. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone's names.
Speaker 3: Ask her. I don't know any actors' names.
Speaker 2: I just get the reaction from I'm gonna you guys,
Speaker 2: hid hide the thing really because you might be like,
Speaker 2: oh no, because okay, okay, okay, oh we're going remind
Speaker 2: me we're going.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I looked them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mom.
Speaker 3: Oh, I was like, what was that?
Speaker 2: I never can remember actors. We can talk about it,
Speaker 2: but our singers not actors. I I don't know why
Speaker 2: this seems very unbrand for me for this person. I'm
Speaker 2: unless shocked. I know, say, yeah, something person would do right,
Speaker 2: which is why all right, let's move on to one.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week Georgia, Carolinas.
Speaker 3: And then back on the couch. Okay, I was y'all.
Speaker 1: Nothing is more real than what just happened in the
Speaker 1: last time. I don't know how this is how we
Speaker 1: really knew this. I know, if you really want to
Speaker 1: see how it happens to convince Shannah she can do this.
Speaker 2: I just know we have such similar personality types. So
Speaker 2: I do like to speak a little life into you
Speaker 2: in those areas of nonstructure, because I know our default
Speaker 2: is structure, because that feels safe to us and responsible
Speaker 2: to us, and it is all of those things. I
Speaker 2: don't think there's anything wrong with the way that we
Speaker 2: like structure and prefer it. Yeah, but I also think
Speaker 2: sometimes you need the friend that speaks to your capability
Speaker 2: and like what could be good and stretching for you,
Speaker 2: and like you are just so talented that I like you,
Speaker 2: And I mean my husband wants to be your agent,
Speaker 2: like Preston Brust every time, like Kramer could nail this.
Speaker 2: Why doesn't she have this role, so like I want
Speaker 2: that for you, you would nail it, thanks, friend. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, whine about it. You know what I don't
Speaker 2: like with my manager and your friend and friend books
Speaker 2: something and then tells me not to do.
Speaker 3: That, because that's how it happens.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm not surprised by this conversation in
Speaker 1: the least because when you don't get answers, you don't
Speaker 1: get answers. You don't get answers, you book something else.
Speaker 1: The answers come every time.
Speaker 2: I feel a great sense of comfortability and just validation
Speaker 2: that this is how your world is working, because this
Speaker 2: is how it feels at home for me all the time.
Speaker 2: And I'm literally like, can I plan anything and look
Speaker 2: forward to anything? It's so frustrating. I like it for
Speaker 2: you a lot, just not for me. Any whine about
Speaker 2: it for you. Whine about it, man, anything you want
Speaker 2: to share, you know, it's interesting. I don't know what
Speaker 2: I want to share about this. Maybe mine is a
Speaker 2: brewer too, but I've been kind of going through something
Speaker 2: and I don't Yeah, maybe I'm going to brew mine too,
Speaker 2: okay a little bit, But I will say I did
Speaker 2: start my period after twenty seven something day, So.
Speaker 3: You just skipped one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, And you're not in perimenopause. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I haven't heard back yet about my love work.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned. I really don't have anything to whine about.
Speaker 3: You don't sound convincing, but that's no.
Speaker 2: I really don't like. I don't. Okay, maybe I feel
Speaker 2: like you do, you know, I'm really I don't. I
Speaker 2: guess I'm not even a whine about it. But so
Speaker 2: we were in couples therapy. Oh kidding, no, and I
Speaker 2: she said something so she's new our couple therapist is
Speaker 2: new okay to you are new to us as a couple, okay,
Speaker 2: not new to the therapy world. No, no, no, no, okay.
Speaker 2: But she said something that I don't know. It kind
Speaker 2: of like it kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 2: I want to know, but like a couple things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and have you ever been in a couple's therapy session
Speaker 2: where you feel like they just target the girls?
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Where I'm like, but did, and I'm like, I will
Speaker 2: take accountability and right, But she said something to me
Speaker 2: where she was like, it's not like I was trying
Speaker 2: to we did a little exercise where she wanted to
Speaker 2: do something with him, and then I went we went
Speaker 2: out for like a little walk and in that moment,
Speaker 2: she said, when he was going through the things, She's like,
Speaker 2: you didn't reach over to like touch him or humphort.
Speaker 2: And I said, because a lot of times what I've heard,
Speaker 2: like other therapists have told me, let that person have
Speaker 2: the moment they're having. So when someone was to give
Speaker 2: someone like a tissue, they say, actually, don't offer the
Speaker 2: tissue because let that person it's okay for that person
Speaker 2: to cry. Basically, so of me handing someone a tissue
Speaker 2: would say like, you shouldn't be cry or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: So another therapist in the past had like told me that,
Speaker 2: So I just when someone's explaining their stuff, i'd let
Speaker 2: them kind of have their moment. And she's like, and
Speaker 2: it's not that I was grading you, but I guess
Speaker 2: she's said grading you no, And she's like, but I
Speaker 2: just like I was surprised and it's not like you
Speaker 2: failed the test. And I was like, then stop saying
Speaker 2: you're grading me and failing. And I was like, she
Speaker 2: kept saying it. I was like, just because I didn't
Speaker 2: what did you want me to put my hand down? Like?
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was letting him have his But.
Speaker 3: Also shouldn't people be able to be themselves? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then also we were we kind of went into
Speaker 2: the fight like I wasn't ready to be warm to
Speaker 2: him yet in that moment. That's bizarre to me. So
Speaker 2: I didn't like that. But what bothered me, my real
Speaker 2: wine about it is I don't like to feel judged
Speaker 2: in a therapy room.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't. I would That would be so hard
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: It's a little judged. Well it's also just not helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I don't know. Maybe I guess I got to
Speaker 2: talk to Alan about and see, wouldn't really talk talk
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah, I mean I don't. I just don't
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, I've never I mean, couple therapy was
Speaker 1: always hard for us, but we are therapist a long
Speaker 1: time ago who we used to share. She actually really
Speaker 1: targeted him. I could even see it. I was even
Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa, whoa. But I did this, you know,
Speaker 1: like like there were moments where I'm like whoa, you know,
Speaker 1: she really did. And I didn't like that feeling. Even
Speaker 1: though in moments I was like, yeah, go me, you know,
Speaker 1: but I was like, this doesn't feel like fair, this
Speaker 1: doesn't feel in the middle, which I feel like you
Speaker 1: should be a you know, you should feel like that.
Speaker 1: I would think in couples therapy for the most part
Speaker 1: and then just help people figure it out, I would think,
Speaker 1: I don't know, couples therapy was never great for us
Speaker 1: because it always just kinda I loved ours, yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe because we didn't have the right I mean, I
Speaker 1: know we did not have the right person, but I
Speaker 1: just that would not set well with me.
Speaker 3: I already struggled with.
Speaker 1: Doing therapy anyway, and if I felt like someone was
Speaker 1: judging me or grading me, or thought that I needed
Speaker 1: to touch someone when I did not feel like I should.
Speaker 3: Be touching someone, that would be a problem for me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's so to me the difference,
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to say it the way I
Speaker 2: want to say, like, between a good therapist and a
Speaker 2: bad therapist in that moment, what I have experienced with
Speaker 2: our couples therapists, we am a so brilliant. Would she
Speaker 2: would say, I noticed when he did that, you didn't
Speaker 2: reach out. Why didn't you reach out, right, that would
Speaker 2: be because then you could have a minute like that.
Speaker 2: We came in and I felt, yeah, I was protecting
Speaker 2: myself because we've been in the moat, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like because I'm the one, I get pretty guarded. We
Speaker 2: all know, and so like you know, it's that severe
Speaker 2: independent so I'm the one that kind of like it
Speaker 2: just walls up, you know. So she would even say
Speaker 2: to me, She's like, I did you want to reach out?
Speaker 2: Like did you what did you want to say to him?
Speaker 2: In that moment? There was not a test or well
Speaker 2: that just makes it. I mean, how can anyone feel
Speaker 2: safe in that space if you feel like everything you're
Speaker 2: doing is being analyzed? Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 2: for you and you couples therapists and I know, right
Speaker 2: a bunch of newness.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for you to talk to Amy about it.
Speaker 2: So did you know? I know Amy's like and off
Speaker 2: the recommendation, right, I mean, tidy up that resource page? True? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't be judged in therapy. We're judged everywhere. Can I
Speaker 2: just go to a safe place, especially when I'm paying you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes that yeah, yes, yeah, good Grace anybody else.
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna let mines do too.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm putting three weeks of.
Speaker 3: Can you give us a keyword? I mean I've talked
Speaker 3: about it on here before.
Speaker 2: Can you give one keyword? Yeah? Just friends okay and
Speaker 2: Cramer kids, friends both. Can I have your keyword because
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pin it. I always love a keyword. It's
Speaker 2: my favorite too. Just to see what it is.
Speaker 3: Did you just go into yours or was it something
Speaker 3: that's something different?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I can, I can pull something different.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll work on that pin. I'll let you know.
Speaker 2: I'll let you know about that one. Okay, what's your pin? Well?
Speaker 2: Code word? Will? I don't know what do we code order?
Speaker 2: When you go listen to your message, you'll know too.
Speaker 2: You just were busy, so you didn't she you were recording. Yeah,
Speaker 2: mine will be nature code word, nature code word words,
Speaker 2: runnings okay, boom okay. Jane found a wish that she
Speaker 2: had an intimacy coordinator for her sex scenes. It's hard,
Speaker 2: how about okay? Can we've used different words? Come on?
Speaker 2: Everyone read the room. So when she was in Oh,
Speaker 2: she was at the Cans Film Festival. Uh, they're called
Speaker 2: intimacy corners. I wish I had them while I was
Speaker 2: doing sex scenes because it's hard, uh, trying to navigate.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I again, she was by the way, you just
Speaker 3: like move on from it.
Speaker 2: No, I did anyone else. I something keeps popping up
Speaker 2: on my Instagram about the Amy Schumer and what's his face?
Speaker 2: The wrestler sounds like he actually went inside of her. Wow.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's made up or I just
Speaker 2: made I swear to you, I have seen something about
Speaker 2: saying that he actually went inside of her wow during
Speaker 2: the scene. Guy, that's called sex, And I know, But
Speaker 2: Jane said, what a difference it would have made in
Speaker 2: terms of my comfort to the outlet. I missed out
Speaker 2: on that one. It's even hard. It's hard to it's
Speaker 2: hard even to describe the difference when you're the only
Speaker 2: woman on set, literally the only that would be I mean,
Speaker 2: so we're intimacy coordinators like newer I've had. It's well,
Speaker 2: it costs money for production technically under SAG rules, I believe. Again,
Speaker 2: I believe you're supposed to have them on a SAG set,
Speaker 2: But I don't remember having an intimacy coordinator on Montree Hill.
Speaker 2: I would think they'd be newer. Maybe you do all this,
Speaker 2: this is a newer thing, and that when I was
Speaker 2: giving what's his face? You know that fake hand job
Speaker 2: in Entourage, I was just gonna ask about that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was there was nobody helping me with that. It
Speaker 2: was me asking Jerry Jerry being like, so what do
Speaker 2: I I don't know to do? Do it like you know,
Speaker 2: and the guys, the camera guys and touch my upper leg.
Speaker 2: So I was like just rubbing his upper leg, which
Speaker 2: is so uncomfortable. But I will say, what they do
Speaker 2: do is they take everybody out of the room that
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be in the room, because there's normally
Speaker 2: so many people that are there that don't really need
Speaker 2: to be there. So like when I was having the
Speaker 2: intimacy scene, the intimate scene with Austin, when we were
Speaker 2: filming that movie and I was in my lingerie, there
Speaker 2: was in even people away from Video Village, Like there's
Speaker 2: only the people that have to be at Video Village
Speaker 2: are watching and then everyone else isn't in the room.
Speaker 2: But I mean, we didn't have an intimacy coordinator on that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it feels to me like it should
Speaker 2: be required. I think it should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. We probably need to figure out whether
Speaker 3: it is required or not required. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It feels like I know that it costs money to production,
Speaker 2: which is probably why they don't do it. But I
Speaker 2: think there's something where again, just like in The Blake,
Speaker 2: it's like, we know we don't need it. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: and I can figure it out. I always just think
Speaker 2: you should air on the for example, like things that
Speaker 2: happen like that movie. You should always a production should
Speaker 2: pay for someone to just err on the side of
Speaker 2: just a third party. Yeah, like we had someone for
Speaker 2: the country h Christmas hump on, then Haebel thing, so
Speaker 2: like we have I love.
Speaker 3: Today to tell you. I forgot we were so many guys.
Speaker 3: You guys the hump on me. Please let the hump
Speaker 3: on they be.
Speaker 2: The title of this, but we have someone for that.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, are you comfortable if he puts
Speaker 2: his hand there, are you comfortable? And I'm like, and
Speaker 2: so it was the penis out when you rubbed the lake.
Speaker 2: I need to know that he was wearing boxers, but
Speaker 2: it was there. Sure, Yeah, that's right, take it out.
Speaker 2: Got it nailed that part. No, it's a where's the penis?
Speaker 2: When you're like, but I've had people that have to
Speaker 2: do the sock, Like if you're doing a butt, yeah,
Speaker 2: someone had to put a sock on a penis.
Speaker 3: Because you're showing the butt.
Speaker 2: Because you're showing the butt. But I will say this,
Speaker 2: when it comes to intimacy corners, sometimes it's even if
Speaker 2: you're not comfortable with the actor. I think an intimacy coordinator,
Speaker 2: or if you don't know the actor, like I knew Austin,
Speaker 2: I knew I could he can be like, hey, is
Speaker 2: this okay? Can am I okay to put yes? Like
Speaker 2: we we have that friendship. If I don't know someone,
Speaker 2: I would I would love and always probably want an
Speaker 2: intimacy coordinator. But if you are comfortable with the person,
Speaker 2: then it's sometimes easier than the coordinator being like okay,
Speaker 2: can he put his I was like, can we just
Speaker 2: like this is some realization? Just be there. It's all
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, maybe their role is different. Presence is
Speaker 2: just to be yeah yeah and let you guys work
Speaker 2: it out. But they could just be witnessed to you
Speaker 2: working it out. But I can't imagine back in the day,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't the Wild West, Yes, especially
Speaker 2: for women. Lord. So there was a video, a viral
Speaker 2: video that came out is the French president. He's getting
Speaker 2: shoved in the face by his wife, Brigitte by The
Speaker 2: president forty seven later strugged it off and claimed the
Speaker 2: couple had just been squabbling. We're squabbling and rather joking
Speaker 2: with my wife. I'm gonna called Macaroon told reporters. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised by it. It turns into some kind of catastrophe,
Speaker 2: catastrophe where people are even coming up with theories to
Speaker 2: explain it. It's nonsense. What I think is nonsense is
Speaker 2: him just like clearly it wasn't just a little like
Speaker 2: to say that like you're caught, it's nonsense. Well, no,
Speaker 2: if you guys were just having fun, she wouldn't have
Speaker 2: completely snubbed your arm when walking down the right. She
Speaker 2: was pissed, right, you guys were in a fight. And
Speaker 2: I think what I would have appreciated is the honesty
Speaker 2: in that moment to be like like every marital couple, couple,
Speaker 2: we have our moments and then.
Speaker 3: Just happened to get caught on camera.
Speaker 2: The problem with it, though, is it is a piece
Speaker 2: of domestic I mean, it is domestic She was him
Speaker 2: in the face, so it is. And so that if
Speaker 2: you say it's anything but fun, it becomes a domestic violence.
Speaker 1: So that's how is that though even if it wasn't fun,
Speaker 1: can't someone say I was joking at any point and
Speaker 1: they put their hands on you, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's okay either.
Speaker 2: So it's just in fun that she put her hands
Speaker 2: on me. Well like when we're like, I'll be like,
Speaker 2: that's so different to me now, But I don't shove
Speaker 2: him in his face. Okay, we're let's say this is again,
Speaker 2: I am not like we know, this is just a discussion.
Speaker 2: If he is scaring me, Let's say we're playing. Maybe
Speaker 2: they were having a fun game of fucking hide and
Speaker 2: seek kind of playing right before the door opens. The
Speaker 2: door opens, and if he if we're playing, I will
Speaker 2: shove push in a fun, joking way because I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, you scared me? What if you know? Again?
Speaker 2: Do I think that's it? But I'm just doing Devil's
Speaker 2: Advocate to what you said, in a playful way. Yes
Speaker 2: I would. I would push like that if if I'm like,
Speaker 2: you scared me, like that is in my nature of
Speaker 2: playing around to be like, ah to my.
Speaker 3: Husband, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 2: So maybe they were having a game of hide and mask.
Speaker 3: We'll give aaboo peekaboo plenty of places to hide.
Speaker 1: The camera is just epic. And then they walk down
Speaker 1: really joking around. Let me tell you, that's where it's
Speaker 1: not joking.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. She was pissed and so clearly they
Speaker 2: were having a fight. But to make it so to
Speaker 2: not do that, you know, walking down the stairs then
Speaker 2: points to be honest about what just happened, because now
Speaker 2: you're just making a fool and then take ownership for
Speaker 2: the wife to say, in no instance is it okay
Speaker 2: for a woman to put their hands on a man
Speaker 2: to right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so absolutely.
Speaker 2: I felt really bad for him that he had to
Speaker 2: pretend that that didn't happen, because he does, he goes
Speaker 2: into instant politician mode. And I hate this is something
Speaker 2: I thought about last night. It's I hate how unhuman
Speaker 2: these humans have to be sometimes and that goes for
Speaker 2: every single one of us, everybody, but specifically, like he's
Speaker 2: still a person. Yeah, and I hate that he had
Speaker 2: to pretend like it's showtime, you know, like it's like
Speaker 2: close the door back up, we had some shita.
Speaker 1: You know you're about to walk downstairs and you're willing
Speaker 1: to shove them. Then, I'm just saying, what else is
Speaker 1: going that? It's like, you know you're about to open
Speaker 1: the door, you know what is going to be in
Speaker 1: front of you when the door's open. It just was
Speaker 1: all very bizarre, Like you're not just getting in a
Speaker 1: fight right before.
Speaker 2: I don't know, It's like it's like hold the door
Speaker 2: for ten seconds, right, and who's everywhere doors.
Speaker 3: That you'll are laterally fighting right there. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's all just yeah, it doesn't I don't know. It
Speaker 3: doesn't sit well with me.
Speaker 2: I will just say this though, if it was again reverse,
Speaker 2: if it was a man doing that, oh it would
Speaker 2: be a different story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Unfortunately it shouldn't be.
Speaker 2: Having said that, we don't know what he did to
Speaker 2: her too. Again, yeah, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 5: I'm not even assuming he didn't put you know, none
Speaker 5: of that. And I feel bad for him. Is not
Speaker 5: that I feel bad for him that he got shoved
Speaker 5: in the face. I hate that he can't feel what
Speaker 5: he needed to feel in that moment and had to
Speaker 5: be a politician.
Speaker 3: Well, he could be covering something up for himself too,
Speaker 3: And that's but right, That's what.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, yeah, that they can't just be in
Speaker 2: that honest moment for a minute while they sorted out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you were in a place where you have to
Speaker 2: be shoving your husband and listen, I have been in
Speaker 2: that place, and what I had to have massive talks
Speaker 2: with Amy because you know, I'd be like, well he
Speaker 2: can say that, you know I but he was in
Speaker 2: my face. She's like this is protection. So she's like, yes,
Speaker 2: never put your hands on someone and you were also
Speaker 2: trying to protect yourself to get out of a situation
Speaker 2: like it's over them that person then to say well
Speaker 2: you touch me, well yeah, because you were blocking me
Speaker 2: in and I felt unsafe and had to fight back.
Speaker 2: You know. So I don't think anybody's innocent or like,
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not even taking that stance because who
Speaker 2: knows what happened for the door open exactly. I just
Speaker 2: hate that anyone has to pretend something didn't happen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: even for ten seconds. Yeah, it made me, I mean
Speaker 2: made me sad to see. Yeah, like just for the
Speaker 2: whole and that just shows you too. You never know
Speaker 2: what's behind the plane door. Yeah, you know people's lives
Speaker 2: because any other time they wouldn't have caught that. You
Speaker 2: would have just seen them like smile and wid down,
Speaker 2: not knowing what happened two seconds prior.
Speaker 3: Yep, and that happens all the time.
Speaker 2: A little more empathy for people, that's right. Mormon wives.
Speaker 2: Jesse and Demi are following each other again after on
Speaker 2: screen feud. I haven't finished the show, so I don't
Speaker 2: even know about the feud yet, but I am watching.
Speaker 2: I am following. It's a total spoiler alert. These are
Speaker 2: the ones that look identical to me.
Speaker 3: So I finally, how do you figure out? O?
Speaker 2: My god?
Speaker 3: Last season, the same human the whole time.
Speaker 1: Finally, this season I could figure it out because they're
Speaker 1: a lot more involved this season. I feel like they
Speaker 1: have bigger like parts this season, and so I could tell.
Speaker 2: I'm still in the Halloween party. It's taking me a
Speaker 2: while to finish.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I left the ship in season one. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: It was very different this season, like Whitney's a completely
Speaker 1: different person.
Speaker 2: Does Whitney Does Whitney feel I enjoyed our time with Whitney?
Speaker 2: Does Whitney feel on this season like she did in
Speaker 2: person for us when we were with her, because we
Speaker 2: all she's just real quiet this season.
Speaker 1: She's really just kind of keeping to herself, knowing her
Speaker 1: place in a sense because she's not necessarily back in yet,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. So she just really she
Speaker 1: seems more peaceful. She seems more at peace. She seems
Speaker 1: happier to me. But I'm watching a show, so who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm struggling with how to shift my perspective on someone,
Speaker 2: and I'd really appreciate your insight. One of my close
Speaker 2: friends is married to a guy who, in the beginning
Speaker 2: of the relationship honestly rubbed me the wrong way. He
Speaker 2: was inconsiderate, flaky, and just didn't seem invested in her,
Speaker 2: showing up, blake, canceling plans, sometimes being outright rude to
Speaker 2: both her and her friends. I watched her cry over
Speaker 2: him more than once, and it was so hard to
Speaker 2: understand what she saw on him back then. Those early
Speaker 2: memories left a lasting impression on me. Now years later,
Speaker 2: he's changed, and I'll give him credit. He's present, supportive
Speaker 2: and seems to truly love and respect her. They're married
Speaker 2: and from the outside, the relationship looks stable and happy.
Speaker 2: I know people grow, and I know relationships can evolve,
Speaker 2: but I'm finding it hard to shake those early feelings.
Speaker 2: Even though we're polite when we're around each other, I
Speaker 2: think he can still feel that I haven't fully warmed
Speaker 2: up to him, given the person he is now. Should
Speaker 2: I try harder to accept that growth and move forward.
Speaker 2: Is it fair or even healthy to hold onto or
Speaker 2: to hold onto who someone used to be, especially when
Speaker 2: they've clearly changed for the better. I'm going to shoot
Speaker 2: this to you because I feel like you've had this
Speaker 2: with certain different husbands.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think my advice would be to let it go, honestly,
Speaker 1: because if they've changed, and you may not know for
Speaker 1: sure that they've changed, that's my thing. Let's just say
Speaker 1: you're hesitant and you think, okay, from the outside looking in,
Speaker 1: it looks like you've changed.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've changed.
Speaker 1: But if they're going to be married, if she's going
Speaker 1: to choose to be okay with the man that he is,
Speaker 1: then I don't think you really have a choice but
Speaker 1: to just let it go.
Speaker 3: You can have these you know.
Speaker 1: To me, I think you can be have these hesitations
Speaker 1: a little bit and just be aware of it if
Speaker 1: things are to happen, you know. But I think if
Speaker 1: she's letting it go, you let it go, enjoy it,
Speaker 1: enjoy that he's changed, and have fun with them. It's
Speaker 1: my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if he shows you who he is again, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you've had experience with then.
Speaker 1: If they show again like I don't, I may not
Speaker 1: forget those things, but I'm not going to hold it
Speaker 1: against them. And now if it shows up again, then
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Okay, this is a pattern that's showing
Speaker 1: back up again, and I would do things differently when
Speaker 1: it comes to when people are doing things that they
Speaker 1: you know, to the friends, and how you speak up
Speaker 1: about that and how you don't. But I think you
Speaker 1: can warm up to that person, accept them unless they
Speaker 1: show you differently.
Speaker 2: I agree. I also was just thinking, like I don't
Speaker 2: know that I super loved who I was at the
Speaker 2: beginning of my marriage. Sure, you know, like now I didn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like whatever. I just like to think back
Speaker 2: to you only know what you know. I was always kind,
Speaker 2: but I was a little attachment. I was a little
Speaker 2: you know, like if somebody wanted to come in and
Speaker 2: judge that that was a lot. I mean, I had
Speaker 2: every right to be. It's not I'm not even hard
Speaker 2: of myself. I just go like, man, if somebody was
Speaker 2: holding something I said ten years ago against me, that sucks.
Speaker 2: And people do change. And I always and I've said
Speaker 2: this specifically, well I've said it to both of you before,
Speaker 2: but like, only two people know what goes on in
Speaker 2: a marriage. Even if we know everything we can know,
Speaker 2: as open as we all are with each other, and
Speaker 2: when we brought each other in for like prayer or whatever,
Speaker 2: there's still only those two people know. So maybe at
Speaker 2: the beginning he was going, you know, you might have
Speaker 2: more things that he was Yeah, things that needed to
Speaker 2: melt away or work through or whatever. We don't know.
Speaker 2: I think, definitely note it, but we gotta we gonna
Speaker 2: move on. Yeah, I agree. I mean I tried to
Speaker 2: do that a lot with Mike.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, like I know,
Speaker 1: like there were times you thought that he changed, or
Speaker 1: we thought that he changed, We hoped.
Speaker 2: I think, but I was just trying to think of like,
Speaker 2: you know, I even when you even when you read that,
Speaker 2: I thought, she needs to let that go I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be super proud of who I was. And then I
Speaker 2: instantly put myself and was like, well, I've done that
Speaker 2: with Mike before, where I haven't fully forgiven him at times,
Speaker 2: you know, even when we had him on here, I
Speaker 2: was not super interested.
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like this person is obviously grown
Speaker 1: a lot more and changed a lot more than a
Speaker 1: Mike situation. But there were moments in those it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't forget the things Mike did, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you're moving on, that's we're going to
Speaker 1: be friends. Then I got to move on to and
Speaker 1: we got to have fun together and we got to
Speaker 1: be friends.
Speaker 2: It's when the person continues when you can come back
Speaker 2: as a friend and go, Okay, I don't I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be aro on this. Yeah, yeah that is that
Speaker 2: is then in your right to absolutely fel that. And
Speaker 2: then yeah, and I also love how protective she is.
Speaker 3: Yeah I do too.
Speaker 1: I do like that it comes from a protection place,
Speaker 1: which I do in a loyalty place, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean I would want that in a friend.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want a friend who you know doesn't even
Speaker 1: think twice about it, you know, and is like, oh,
Speaker 1: who cares. They're different, you know, Like I would want
Speaker 1: that in a friend, to be a little hesitant, you know,
Speaker 1: to be a little protective and care enough about me.
Speaker 2: Right then I go to like the woman who's married,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, gosh, you know, she's running this like tight.
Speaker 2: Like my friend doesn't super love him. He had this
Speaker 2: thing at the beginning, like that's just it and that's
Speaker 2: a twice to be too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well ladies,
Speaker 2: I did it today. Girls.
Speaker 3: We just made a wanted plans.
Speaker 2: I'm excited for you to go put these plans in action. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: bye bye bye