Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 2: You can't think of.
Speaker 1: One fullback who was better than John.
Speaker 3: Koh from the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 4: It's around the NFL.
Speaker 3: I am Dan Hansis I got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 3: Mark Sessler, I mean, yes, John Kuhn was a great
Speaker 3: fullback for the Packers, but the greatest of all time
Speaker 3: Jim Brown, who passed away late last week. Mark Sessler,
Speaker 3: you had the old bit up at NFL dot com,
Speaker 3: and obviously you have your Brown's history and whatnot. So
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to a bunch of stuff today, including
Speaker 3: we're gonna do a little running back draft in honor
Speaker 3: of Jim Brown, the greatest back of all time.
Speaker 4: But curious your thoughts on the loss of Brown at
Speaker 4: the age of eighty seven.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I like kind of hold back
Speaker 5: from mentioning like my own writing and stuff on the show.
Speaker 5: It's not like the easiest thing for me to do.
Speaker 5: But it was the one of the few pieces that
Speaker 5: I wrote. It was you know, these obits are written
Speaker 5: prior to so that they're ready to go. And I
Speaker 5: spent like three or four long summer days researching like
Speaker 5: as deeply as I could like all these various elements
Speaker 5: to Jim Brown, who you know, it's almost like where
Speaker 5: do you even begin, because I think he lived three
Speaker 5: or four completely different lives that all intersected. But it's
Speaker 5: funny because I heard Gerald McCoy on Good Morning Football
Speaker 5: talk about the fact that he didn't when he was
Speaker 5: young he knew Jim Brown is an actor. He didn't,
Speaker 5: and then his dad had to tell him as a
Speaker 5: young boy, like, no, this is actually like the greatest
Speaker 5: football player of all time who is now an actor,
Speaker 5: who was also an activist, who also did incredible work
Speaker 5: for the black athlete in general. And there's just I think,
Speaker 5: Greg there was a biography that we almost purchased once
Speaker 5: that he wrote and like his own story, and it
Speaker 5: is filled with incredible anecdotes. And I mean there were
Speaker 5: ups and downs with Jim Brown, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5: But the thing I came away with was just that, like,
Speaker 5: it's kind of crazy that in sports today, just from
Speaker 5: the sports angle, that we have better athletes than we've
Speaker 5: ever had in our lifetime easily, and football players are
Speaker 5: coming out looking like robots and machines, and it's like,
Speaker 5: why haven't we had twenty five Jim Brown's at this point,
Speaker 5: and there's just one. There's literally you'd have to composite
Speaker 5: other running backs and athletes together to even equal Jim Brown.
Speaker 5: And I know it's easy if you're younger to look
Speaker 5: at the black and white cut ups the tape and
Speaker 5: forget that we don't have like today's technology where you
Speaker 5: could see him from so many different angles and doing
Speaker 5: things that completely are improbable from a physical angle, and
Speaker 5: that no one ever dominated him. He dominated everyone, And
Speaker 5: it's like he had the complete and utter respect of
Speaker 5: everyone he ever played against, because there's no like Jim Brown.
Speaker 1: No player like Jim Brown. I mean, I guess that's
Speaker 1: but that's how you measure in terms of on the
Speaker 1: field greatness and then everything in terms of how large
Speaker 1: of a life he lived off the field. But with
Speaker 1: just talking on the field like that, that is how
Speaker 1: you get the name like got like I think there's
Speaker 1: not much of an argument that the greatest players in
Speaker 1: football history are Jerry Rice and Jim Brown, and I
Speaker 1: think you put those in some order, and you could
Speaker 1: like get in there with Lawrence Taylor, or you can
Speaker 1: start talking about quarterbacks. But I just think in terms
Speaker 1: of if you judge it based on the eras that
Speaker 1: they were in and the domination that they had. Jim
Speaker 1: Brown and Jerry Rice are really the two best answers,
Speaker 1: and Jim Brown, to me, is the better answer because
Speaker 1: I'm someone that is more about how truly dominant you
Speaker 1: were at the time in your peak, not about longevity,
Speaker 1: and Jerry Rice had all of that too, which is
Speaker 1: why both answers are great. But there hasn't been another
Speaker 1: player like him. And you remember, like he was thirty
Speaker 1: years old when he retired, and so it seems like
Speaker 1: he he left some food on the table there because
Speaker 1: he was at his absolute peak still when he retired,
Speaker 1: but he was going to go do the Dirty Dozen.
Speaker 1: It's like like he was going to do a classic movie.
Speaker 1: And any athlete that's ever tried to make that transition,
Speaker 1: like Jim Brown was doing it, and he was doing
Speaker 1: it at a time where he was making a lot
Speaker 1: more money not playing football, so it made absolute sense,
Speaker 1: but just in terms of what he did. And we
Speaker 1: can get into off the field too, but I think
Speaker 1: I think Bill Belichick said it, you know, just like
Speaker 1: he wanted, and we can get to it, like he
Speaker 1: just hoped that people growing up today would understand what
Speaker 1: a titanic figure he was on and off the field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was such a big, in some
Speaker 3: ways complicated figure, and what he did on the field
Speaker 3: no one ever approached. He was bigger and stronger than everyone.
Speaker 3: You watch those videos like it is, those old NFL
Speaker 3: films clips of him just dragging people around, and how
Speaker 3: many players used to say, it's like, you don't tackle
Speaker 3: Jim Brown, you just grab them and hold on until
Speaker 3: somebody comes to help.
Speaker 4: Like he was at that level.
Speaker 3: He averaged over five yards of carry and set so
Speaker 3: many records and you know, and then it's the same
Speaker 3: guy that in nineteen sixty seven organized the Cleveland Summit,
Speaker 3: which was at the time a huge deal, which was
Speaker 3: a gathering of the nation's most prominent black athletes. Bill
Speaker 3: Russell was there. Just watched a documentary on Bill Russell
Speaker 3: that really dug into that and how important that was
Speaker 3: when it happened.
Speaker 4: Kareem Abdul Jabbar was there.
Speaker 3: Muhammad Ali was tied into the fight, his fight against
Speaker 3: serving in Vietnam, and he worked in Los Angeles to
Speaker 3: work with you know, against gang activities in the inner cities.
Speaker 3: But he's also the same guy that had domestic violence
Speaker 3: issues that followed and plagued him and his reputation throughout
Speaker 3: his life as well, in addition to all the Hollywood
Speaker 3: stuff his career as an actor. It's kind of it's
Speaker 3: one of those huge lives that crosses over in so
Speaker 3: many places. And you know, we when this podcast was
Speaker 3: just starting out, and it's like embryotic form. When we
Speaker 3: were the atl Debate Club, before Greg and West even
Speaker 3: hit the scene, we would be tacked onto the back
Speaker 3: of the Dave Damashek football program. And Mark, I know,
Speaker 3: obviously with your connection to the Browns, it was a
Speaker 3: highlight of your career and it was mine as well
Speaker 3: because I don't know, I still don't know how it happened. Mark,
Speaker 3: it was so long ago, is and it was this
Speaker 3: month eleven years ago. In twenty thirteen, we did a
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty minute interview with Jim Brown who came into
Speaker 3: the old Studio sixty six in Culver City, And I
Speaker 3: wrote this on Twitter like it didn't feel like we
Speaker 3: actually even had a podcast until Jim Brown was talking
Speaker 3: to us. And I'll never forget, like how you know,
Speaker 3: we were nubes and were just learning how to even
Speaker 3: talk into microphones and he treated us with respect. And
Speaker 3: I remember after it was over, the day wrapped up
Speaker 3: and we headed I think we went to Rocco's and
Speaker 3: we just sat at belly up at the bar and
Speaker 3: we're like, can you believe that just fucking happened, Like
Speaker 3: we just interviewed Jim Brown and it was cool and
Speaker 3: he respected us in the conversation.
Speaker 5: It was it was like completely surreal because for obvious reasons,
Speaker 5: and I mean we went back and listened to it,
Speaker 5: someone very loyally went and found it because it's not
Speaker 5: easy to find that stuff these days, those old podcasts.
Speaker 5: But listening to it, like like my voice like literally
Speaker 5: was like completely different in a bit.
Speaker 3: Gravel, I hear this now, well, I think we're put
Speaker 3: it on the back of the back of the show.
Speaker 6: I'll ad it so they can hear it.
Speaker 5: But you know, the thing about him was that I
Speaker 5: thought some of our most interesting like conversation with him
Speaker 5: in that bit was about Hollywood, about other things, like
Speaker 5: the football part is there. I mean, this is a
Speaker 5: guy that had fifteen hundred yards in a twelve game season,
Speaker 5: he had eighteen hundred yards in a fourteen game seed
Speaker 5: and never missed in a game. Ever, the only running
Speaker 5: back to average over one hundred yard per game in
Speaker 5: his career, led.
Speaker 1: The league in rushing yards. Just while we're throwing stats
Speaker 1: out there, every season of his career except one.
Speaker 5: But he also say no and like in that because
Speaker 5: you know, we dug into football movies and why they're
Speaker 5: a bit wanting and lacking to say the least. But
Speaker 5: he was in any given Sunday, and so we just
Speaker 5: sort of asked about, you know, as an actor, you're
Speaker 5: suddenly going up with al Pacino, and he had been
Speaker 5: in a bunch of films by then, but he just
Speaker 5: sort of talked about how like his approach and you
Speaker 5: can listen to it to why he knew he'd succeed
Speaker 5: alongside al Pacino, was kind of everything about the competitor
Speaker 5: he was. And some of his best stories from his
Speaker 5: earliest days were when he was on the Syracuse when
Speaker 5: he was in Syracuse, or when he was in the
Speaker 5: on the Cleveland Browns and they'd go down south and
Speaker 5: it was like the hotel manager for the Cleveland Browns
Speaker 5: would say, well, we have a different hotel a couple
Speaker 5: cities away for the African American numbers of the team
Speaker 5: and Paul Jim would always be like, no, you don't,
Speaker 5: and then Paul Brown would shime in and say, absolutely not,
Speaker 5: you don't split up. The Cleveland Browns were here together,
Speaker 5: but they dealt with that so into such a degree
Speaker 5: early on in his career, and I think that he
Speaker 5: I think some of his ire and anger, where some
Speaker 5: of that came from was the inequality that he talked
Speaker 5: about from the minute he was born. And like other
Speaker 5: athletes talk about the fact that even when you succeeded
Speaker 5: early on in your career as a black athlete, that
Speaker 5: people would just still doubt you because of the color
Speaker 5: of your skin. But they were like, Jim Brown was
Speaker 5: undoubtable and he kind of changed sports for the black
Speaker 5: athlete forever.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned lacrosse because he is like a Paul
Speaker 3: Bunyan Babe Ruth type figure, and one's real and one's not.
Speaker 3: Like Jim Brown, sometimes it felt like he wasn't even real.
Speaker 3: He's a lot of people believe him to be the
Speaker 3: greatest lacrosse player who ever lived, as well, like and
Speaker 3: you think about his true life, right it can you
Speaker 3: imagine Jim Brown rampaging on a lacrosse field scoring four
Speaker 3: hundred goals.
Speaker 5: You're in your bare legs, like no patting below the belt, a.
Speaker 3: Lot of exit vlo on those throws. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they use that terminology there.
Speaker 1: That book I mentioned was, or that Mark mentioned at
Speaker 1: least that I was thinking about, it was actually a
Speaker 1: memoir by a guy named James Tobak who has his
Speaker 1: own problematic history, and it was called Jim the Author's
Speaker 1: self centered memoir on the Great Jim Brown, and it
Speaker 1: related a period in James Tobak's life, who became a director.
Speaker 1: He did that Tyson documentary that was pretty well known
Speaker 1: where Jim Brown and him were living together and they
Speaker 1: were just like kind of playing basketball in the yard
Speaker 1: all the time and just like sort of what that
Speaker 1: was like. And it's about James Brown, but it's about
Speaker 1: this guy's experience, and it was a very interesting look
Speaker 1: like early seventies Jim Brown, and because he was one
Speaker 1: of the most prominent advocates and activists for black athletes
Speaker 1: that there's literally ever been until basically his dying day,
Speaker 1: Like he was working for gangs in California, like trying
Speaker 1: to help them out, and he famously, like you know,
Speaker 1: he would leave his door open so that the guys
Speaker 1: could like come and stay there if they wanted. And
Speaker 1: he never gave up that fight. And then and you
Speaker 1: did mention it, Dan, It's part of him. And this
Speaker 1: is what Belichick talked about. Belichick said he hoped that
Speaker 1: his legacy wouldn't just be remembered for the bad things,
Speaker 1: for his violence towards women, which was repeated, and that
Speaker 1: that it was so black and white, like all of
Speaker 1: these great things that he did in the world, and
Speaker 1: the type of person he was to the people that
Speaker 1: meant something to him, and that he didn't try to
Speaker 1: deny really, I mean, he never came to terms with
Speaker 1: what happened with all of these women over the years.
Speaker 1: And they were young women, and they were rape allegations,
Speaker 1: assault allegations, you know, throwing the woman off the balcony,
Speaker 1: which Spike Lee included in that documentary, which is a
Speaker 1: great documentary too. And I do think it's it's worth
Speaker 1: sort of thinking about that that this this person like
Speaker 1: he was that was both of him, Like there's no
Speaker 1: need to there's no like take to have about that
Speaker 1: he was that person and he never and I listened
Speaker 1: to Bomani Jones talk about James Brown.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It's really good if anyone wanted to listen to his
Speaker 1: podcast too, So I'm not trying to bite him here.
Speaker 1: He talked for twenty five minutes about it, and there's
Speaker 1: there's no like, there's no way to uh, there's no
Speaker 1: take on what he was in terms of how afraid
Speaker 1: he was to ever come to terms with his violence
Speaker 1: towards women, because he never apologized. He never he never stepped,
Speaker 1: he never took a step back or showed any awareness
Speaker 1: of all the wrong things that he did. But he
Speaker 1: still was living all this other life at the same time,
Speaker 1: doing all of this productive stuff, and that was just
Speaker 1: who he was. And like to I think to Belichick's point,
Speaker 1: I don't think all the rest of it's getting forgotten.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's getting forgotten too. It's just
Speaker 1: like that's that was the Jim Brown story, and that
Speaker 1: was like a very unfortunate part of that story. And
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a big story. It's like a
Speaker 1: Babe Ruth type story.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, violence against men as well. He That's one
Speaker 3: thing he always said too, is like, you know, he
Speaker 3: had an issue on a golf course with a friend
Speaker 3: he was a very competitive person. He would get physical
Speaker 3: and that was something he struggled with. But their story
Speaker 3: is huge. It's a huge He's a huge, imperfect person.
Speaker 3: We're all imperfect Brown no exception. Dead at the age
Speaker 3: of eighty seven. And that he was on the ATL
Speaker 3: Debate Club Mark.
Speaker 5: I do remember one thing about that, one other last
Speaker 5: thing about that interview, because I think it helped that
Speaker 5: it was late May that we had him on the show,
Speaker 5: that there was less happening at NFL Network and we
Speaker 5: were happening that day.
Speaker 4: The car wash wasn't too crowded.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so he gave us a lot of his time.
Speaker 5: But at one point, because we, you know we I
Speaker 5: think we were atypical with what we were trying to do,
Speaker 5: and he's like, you boys, you got some funny questions.
Speaker 5: Like he's just sort of like actually and like it
Speaker 5: wasn't even on the air, I don't think, but.
Speaker 6: He's sort of set out.
Speaker 3: I think it was after and I haven't a chance
Speaker 3: to go back and listen to it yet, but I will,
Speaker 3: along with the audience hopefully. At one point I think
Speaker 3: I called him audacious and like he paused in his
Speaker 3: like I like that. I like the way and I
Speaker 3: remember it was just like whoa just floating out of
Speaker 3: that building that day.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, good job on the on the O bit. Yes,
Speaker 1: everyone should check that out. All that I think you
Speaker 1: did years ago is now out there.
Speaker 5: And that dropping that kind of Friday, Yeah, it made
Speaker 5: me look like it was like absolutely one of the
Speaker 5: busier journalists at NFL dot com that day, which was
Speaker 5: not totally true, but I had been in the past.
Speaker 3: We don't need yeah, we don't need to share it
Speaker 3: like maybe you were. Maybe you look Friday morning, you
Speaker 3: looked at it and crumpled it up and started over.
Speaker 4: That's what I like to think of it. It's like
Speaker 4: she wanted to come out fresh.
Speaker 6: Now we're talking.
Speaker 3: How the saucage gets made. Oh all right, Uh, let's
Speaker 3: get to other far less important NFL news. But listen,
Speaker 3: this is a round of the NFL hit.
Speaker 7: It Jimmy Brown as Napoleon Jefferson. Jefferson is any man
Speaker 7: fighting for recognition against the odds, says Brown. I think
Speaker 7: I understand him pretty well.
Speaker 4: All right, the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3: You know, before we learned of the sad news about
Speaker 3: jim Brown on Friday, I had a chuckle internally when
Speaker 3: I checked in on my laptop when I woke up
Speaker 3: Friday morning, and the top headline at ESPN dot com
Speaker 3: was Mitch Trubisky nearing essential with Steelers, and I was like, huh,
Speaker 3: it's kind of funny considering like the.
Speaker 4: Ecosystem there now.
Speaker 3: And then about five hours later, this was still before
Speaker 3: the news of Brown had broke.
Speaker 4: There was still number one in the stack.
Speaker 3: It was a slow news day on Friday because Mitch
Speaker 3: Trubissy is not the future in Pittsburgh, but they like him.
Speaker 4: They like them enough to keep them around.
Speaker 3: Because Omar Con announced on the Pat McAfee show, and
Speaker 3: then Ian Rappaport followed up with some more information that
Speaker 3: Mitch Trubisky is staying with the steel on a two
Speaker 3: year extension. He will be Kenny Pickett's main backup in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and he's under contract for three seasons.
Speaker 3: I have no idea how much money, Gregy that means.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing it on a report here that it's over
Speaker 3: north of nineteen million whatever.
Speaker 4: But he is the guy in the building. They like
Speaker 4: him and he's still there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to lower his twenty twenty three cap number,
Speaker 1: and the only way to do that without cutting him
Speaker 1: would be or maybe even including cutting him would be
Speaker 1: to give him an extension. But they really do like Trubisky,
Speaker 1: so it kind of makes sense. But essentially they don't
Speaker 1: like putting pay cuts out there because it makes the
Speaker 1: agents look bad. But I'm sure this is it's essentially
Speaker 1: a pay cut, you know, mass is an extension. But
Speaker 1: also they got him at a pretty good rate for
Speaker 1: a backup. And I guess Trubisky's kind of cool, just like,
Speaker 1: all right, I like this place. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: be a back.
Speaker 3: I remember his last I don't know if he came
Speaker 3: back later at some point the injury, but he was
Speaker 3: bench in the middle of the Jet Steelers game last
Speaker 3: October because he was playing dreadfully. I so I.
Speaker 1: Will defend I go ahead, twenty twenty three play. It's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two play. For the rest of my life,
Speaker 1: It'll be the least popular or mentioned take ever. I
Speaker 1: thought he played pretty well for the Steelers.
Speaker 6: I mean I thought he had streaks where because.
Speaker 4: How many games, how many starts are talking here?
Speaker 6: Five games?
Speaker 5: He started, five games, He had some interceptions. He threw
Speaker 5: four touchdowns in five games right, and five interceptions.
Speaker 1: He threw some interceptions for sure, but I think just
Speaker 1: play to play it was maybe some of the best,
Speaker 1: if not the best Mitch Trubisky i've seen.
Speaker 5: See what you know, what's going on? What's going on?
Speaker 5: We're getting, We're getting the next iteration of super milk
Speaker 5: toast average quarterback the ground.
Speaker 1: Now, I've always been very anti as as of you.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I could see why, like he's a
Speaker 1: good backup.
Speaker 5: Well, I think I think the thing was a year
Speaker 5: ago when they were trying to prop him up as
Speaker 5: he's our starter until can he pick it is ready
Speaker 5: and like anyone viewing him as a starter, that agitated
Speaker 5: me always, but as a backup, totally cool with it.
Speaker 5: And I think that snow he's totally cool with it.
Speaker 1: Right, That's that's an interesting part of it that he was.
Speaker 1: I think he's due nineteen million over the next three years,
Speaker 1: which is seems like at six per year, six or seven. No,
Speaker 1: that's like the backup break, So it's like he was
Speaker 1: fine locking himself. I'm gonna check pff. I swear I
Speaker 1: did not do this. Oh, and I knew it. I
Speaker 1: knew they'd be good because I gotta say I kinda
Speaker 1: tend to be on the same page with the PFF.
Speaker 1: Out of their great they had, they have him too high.
Speaker 1: But he was the fifteenth rank quarterback according to PFF
Speaker 1: out of forty one exactly, tied almost with Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1: Should that made some sense to me?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 1: I mean to the eyes, now you want he's a
Speaker 1: rookie and he's getting better, blah blah blah. And to
Speaker 1: the eyes, I would not put him in the top fifteen.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying he played better than he used to play.
Speaker 3: They had their schedule. It was the fourth start of
Speaker 3: the season where he got benched, and they were coming
Speaker 3: off a bye in week four, and they stuck with Trubisky.
Speaker 3: I always thought that was interesting because they that would
Speaker 3: have been the time where you hand it over to
Speaker 3: Picket week four after that buye. But they brought him
Speaker 3: out for Week four and then benched him at halftime,
Speaker 3: and then that was that was when Pickett took over
Speaker 3: and he you know, you know, he was good. Well,
Speaker 3: he got better and better as the season went along.
Speaker 4: And we'll see.
Speaker 3: According to Mark, the Steelers with Kenny Pickett will be
Speaker 3: a potential Chuggernaut.
Speaker 5: I believe they will be a playoff team because it's
Speaker 5: like they win nine games when you buy a twelve
Speaker 5: is yeah, I don't I don't hate it.
Speaker 6: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Kenny Pickett, when he came into the league,
Speaker 3: it was Ben Roethlisberger on the way out. Roethlisberger, you know,
Speaker 3: has so many records with the Steelers, multiple super Bowls,
Speaker 3: and uh big Ben. He admitted on his podcast Football
Speaker 3: and with Ben Roethlisberger that he told Pickett face to
Speaker 3: face that his initial reaction was that the QB would struggle,
Speaker 3: and he was being very upfront about being okay with it.
Speaker 8: I'll be completely honest, like and I'll be I'll be
Speaker 8: super tranparent here and I'm gonna get blasted. I probably
Speaker 8: shouldn't say this, but who cares at this point. I
Speaker 8: wouldn't say that I wanted Kenny to necessarily fail, but
Speaker 8: like you know, when someone comes to replace and you're like,
Speaker 8: you know, I feel I still feel like I had it.
Speaker 8: I hope he doesn't come like ball out and then
Speaker 8: it's like Ben, who right?
Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely didn't have to say this, but
Speaker 3: I guess Big Ben is in retirement mode now and doesn't.
Speaker 6: Well, he's got a podcast, so you need to This
Speaker 6: is a smart move. Actually, I know.
Speaker 5: I'm a little concerned that he's spelled footballing foot boweling Yeah,
Speaker 5: b A L L I L A, And I'm assuming
Speaker 5: he that's not how he perceives it to be spelled.
Speaker 6: But he's affectating the words. They are a little he is.
Speaker 3: He is just saying what most people would be in
Speaker 3: in that same situation.
Speaker 4: But Greg, I'll just tee this up for you, go ahead.
Speaker 1: No, I I like a little more transparent. I think
Speaker 1: that's a it's a human He even went on about it,
Speaker 1: just saying, like, look, it's just like a selfish part
Speaker 1: of me, you know, probably, but he was worried. I
Speaker 1: that's him being real. So if he's bringing that sort
Speaker 1: of reality, I might have to check out football and
Speaker 1: with Ben Roethzpergers, what a pretty deep bench of podcasts.
Speaker 1: I listened to almost no football. I like the audio books.
Speaker 1: It would be tough for football and to crack in,
Speaker 1: but I like, I think it's a human reaction. I
Speaker 1: think about this. A lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 1: They weren't gonna say Ben who by the way regardless,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame, and he's
Speaker 1: got his own U complicated legacy.
Speaker 3: To put it mildly, how about this, give it one shot?
Speaker 3: Give it one shot? Okay, I got the next boweling.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll take the one with Kenny Pickett. That sounds
Speaker 3: at least like okay. I would listen to, although I
Speaker 3: would say it's on the show, right or is he
Speaker 3: just talking?
Speaker 5: You know what it's I let us know because the
Speaker 5: way he phrased that, it sounded like he was talking
Speaker 5: about Kenny Pickett, who wasn't there.
Speaker 6: But can items I.
Speaker 1: Think Kenny Pickett's there. Kenny Pickett's there, He's absolutely there.
Speaker 1: I've confirmed it.
Speaker 3: As a professional podcaster, I'd love to hear. By the way,
Speaker 3: first of all, would pickets center In response? As a
Speaker 3: professional podcaster, I would say, may be a more interesting
Speaker 3: episode is after this went viral? What has been have
Speaker 3: to say the next app? You have two options and
Speaker 3: you might or check out two full episodes.
Speaker 5: We know a couple podcasts that just went one episode
Speaker 5: and then they couldn't there was they weren't able to
Speaker 5: you know, craft a second one so that you can
Speaker 5: go in that direction. I love what he said because,
Speaker 5: first of all, like what athlete wouldn't kind of feel
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 1: I think some would. I think some are secure enough
Speaker 1: in themselves that they're not really like wanting others. But
Speaker 1: I think they may not. That might be the minority.
Speaker 1: I think that's the minority. But you said, who would,
Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of people that that's probably
Speaker 1: not in that.
Speaker 5: I kind of would want my quarterback to not want
Speaker 5: the next guy coming outshine them.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that.
Speaker 3: You hear about this all the time with you know,
Speaker 3: bands and recording artists. You have your whole life mark
Speaker 3: to record your first and then what six weeks three
Speaker 3: months to record your second. Yeah, that's a lot of
Speaker 3: question too.
Speaker 4: Basically in other quarter.
Speaker 1: Get why that analogy applies here?
Speaker 3: Some mark said it earlier and reference to something else,
Speaker 3: and I was just adding on to that.
Speaker 6: That's how this works.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is another quarterback, an excellent quarterback, an incredible quarterback.
Speaker 3: He is not under second contract yet, he's still on
Speaker 3: that rookie deal. It's that time where Cincinnati would hypothetically
Speaker 3: get a deal done.
Speaker 4: The Bengals don't have a great.
Speaker 3: Track record a big spenders and now here they have
Speaker 3: a transformational quarterback just entering his prime.
Speaker 4: It is time to pay up.
Speaker 3: Here is what Burrow said in recent comments talking about
Speaker 3: his contract situation and also the idea of keeping the
Speaker 3: Bengals core together of playmakers. Some people, many people believe
Speaker 3: they're the best wide receiver group in the league. For instance,
Speaker 3: how do you balance getting paid the way you deserve
Speaker 3: to be paid with keeping your teammates around you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely. You know, whenever you have guys on
Speaker 1: the team that need to be paid, that's always on
Speaker 1: your mind.
Speaker 8: You want that to be a focal point and so
Speaker 8: we're working to make that happen.
Speaker 3: Burrow delivered those comments one day after the Bengals started
Speaker 3: Phase two.
Speaker 4: I guess is that a thing Phase two of team workouts.
Speaker 3: It's OTA's twenty teams kicked off OTAs this week and
Speaker 3: yes T Higgins is there, Jamar Chase. Keeping those guys together,
Speaker 3: Greg feels like would be a win win for Burrow
Speaker 3: and the Bengals.
Speaker 1: It was really striking doing the projected starters for the
Speaker 1: AFC North how long this group has been together on
Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, Like the top five names,
Speaker 1: which is burrow mixing. You know, Chase, Boyd and Higgins
Speaker 1: have been the exact same for three straight years on
Speaker 1: that projected starter series, and then a lot of the
Speaker 1: defense has been the same too, And that's just so,
Speaker 1: by the way, Sorry, Ali, you know, if you're out
Speaker 1: there listing the projected starter series, I was way ahead
Speaker 1: of time. Now I'm struggling. The Tybee trip did not
Speaker 1: did not help. We got to talk to Tybe after.
Speaker 1: I'm a little Yeah, I'm a little behind. So the
Speaker 1: rest of it is coming. He's only got two teams
Speaker 1: in the AMC North there are four, but the Bengals
Speaker 1: are are well positioned to be the best team with
Speaker 1: that sort of continuity, and I like I like that.
Speaker 5: I would just suggest that you maybe just hit him
Speaker 5: up on text, because I would.
Speaker 6: I would gamble.
Speaker 4: Our digital features editor. I'll even I.
Speaker 6: Would gamble he's not listening to this episode.
Speaker 1: That's true. I did. I did send an apologetic slack,
Speaker 1: But sending two of the four teams is sort of
Speaker 1: an apology in itself. Uh, You're you're recognizing that you're
Speaker 1: coming in not really what the the editor is looking for.
Speaker 3: And to your overall point, looking at the stability of
Speaker 3: that core that doesn't last. So there is right, there's
Speaker 3: a technic.
Speaker 1: Year that was a takeaway like I know some of
Speaker 1: them will be back, but this is the year.
Speaker 3: And and Joe Burrow famously said at the end of
Speaker 3: last season, our window is my entire career.
Speaker 4: Which I love that.
Speaker 3: I love the swag that Burrow possesses, and to a
Speaker 3: certain extent, he's right. But this particular team, which is
Speaker 3: apsolutely championship worthy and nearly did it a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, just like the Bills, a big storyline in
Speaker 3: the AFC.
Speaker 4: I'm not breaking news here.
Speaker 3: The Bills and the Bengals have a major crossroad season
Speaker 3: ahead to get over the hump or else.
Speaker 5: And I don't really want to hear about, you know,
Speaker 5: Cincinnati being a mom and pop franchise that Joe pez
Speaker 5: is gonna suddenly have to go the quasi Tom Brady
Speaker 5: route where you take way less money than you should
Speaker 5: the big chunks of your shouldn't. Well, he's not married
Speaker 5: to Giselle, so he can't lean on someone else's fortune.
Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think fine, yeah, but I mean, like
Speaker 5: Peyton Manning, like they found a way to give Peyton
Speaker 5: Manning new weapons in waves throughout his entire career. I
Speaker 5: think Brady played with less and like he tried to,
Speaker 5: you know, salvage that with a couple of big signings
Speaker 5: by taking less money. But every one of these quarterbacks
Speaker 5: are just going to become the highest paid player in
Speaker 5: the league. I don't there's no way that Burrow does not.
Speaker 5: How would you justify that if you're his agent, right he?
Speaker 1: I think you will, and you're right, you can't afford Joe,
Speaker 1: go sell your team for five billion dollars and uh,
Speaker 1: then you have a lot of money.
Speaker 3: M M. Finally, in the news, the NFL Man, we
Speaker 3: talk about it every year. At a certain point, we
Speaker 3: should probably just not talk about it anymore because the
Speaker 3: NFL on side kick alternative once again stalls UH in
Speaker 3: the Senate.
Speaker 4: No vote expected at the league spring the.
Speaker 3: Senate with a lot of commanders, a lot of commanders
Speaker 3: in Washington, Tom Pelasero.
Speaker 7: In Washington, d C in the Pentagon.
Speaker 4: I love that h we played it last week.
Speaker 3: I just love Thigsman circling back on it and just saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: we have new ownership coming in and Snyder and me.
Speaker 3: I don't know if they were boys, but Snyder was
Speaker 3: cool with thisman being a major figurehead. This would not
Speaker 3: be the time to go all Eric Dickerson and just start,
Speaker 3: you know, taking out the blowtorch and just like saying
Speaker 3: whatever you want, saying, I'll were inspect this current ownership
Speaker 3: group they want to keep the Commanders. If they say
Speaker 3: they don't want it, I'll be on that radio show
Speaker 3: again burying the name.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a wise way to handle that, which is
Speaker 5: not how I've always felt about Joe. Thisman's approach to
Speaker 5: things that are verbal.
Speaker 3: Tom Peliser reports the NFL Owner's Table the Eagles proposal
Speaker 3: to create a fourth and twenty alternative to the on
Speaker 3: side kick. So it wasn't voted down, but quote further
Speaker 3: discussion needed.
Speaker 6: Are they just giggling annually with kind Yeah?
Speaker 3: Four straight years now and pelsero Caps's tweet the pel
Speaker 3: Raiser with a long running debate continues. Is it really
Speaker 3: a debate or is it something that the Eagles just
Speaker 3: need to take the l.
Speaker 1: Might be that time it's got some support and I
Speaker 1: think it like gets like one or two new teams.
Speaker 3: I want to keep it going Okay, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. You could also dress a third
Speaker 3: quarterback again. The other huge news out of the owner's.
Speaker 5: Meetings well, which is exactly what the Steelers will be
Speaker 5: doing with Mason Rudolph who was brought back.
Speaker 1: As well kids at covering base.
Speaker 3: They still have Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 5: He didn't get another job and they brought him so
Speaker 5: unhappy with the team last year, I thought he should
Speaker 5: have been the second he get the number two.
Speaker 3: No team loves their underperforming, forming former starting quarterbacks more
Speaker 3: than the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4: No need to update anything.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: They did not approve the Commander sale, and then we're waiting.
Speaker 1: We'll update it. Thursday is our our next show. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling they're gonna make it flex. Scheduling for
Speaker 1: T and F will get past. I feel like in
Speaker 1: the next day or two. And with new restrictions they're
Speaker 1: proposing now that you need twenty eight days notice, so
Speaker 1: you gotta get up and you can only do it
Speaker 1: twice in a four week span, so it's really kind
Speaker 1: of almost a test trial to do it. But I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that will pass.
Speaker 6: Well, that's for things too.
Speaker 1: I still don't like it, though, I still would say
Speaker 1: nothing is better. But we'll see. Don't need to get
Speaker 1: ahead of the news. We'll find out.
Speaker 4: We shall see that you want to add something.
Speaker 5: Break if it would help, if the fan knew that suddenly, hey,
Speaker 5: Game X is completely shifting day and time.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm flying there or I'm not flying.
Speaker 1: They're giving they're giving him a getting them on us.
Speaker 6: You know that that feels it's a ding shot.
Speaker 3: You ever try to book a flight inside a month?
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a little bit of a it's a challenge.
Speaker 3: I've got a book a hotel. Are there hotels available
Speaker 3: inside a month in urban centers?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I depends on this.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I've literally ever booked a hotel
Speaker 1: or bought a flight in more than a month. I've
Speaker 1: exclusively done it last minute, which is a problem that
Speaker 1: I'm working to address. Hasn't had a lot of progress.
Speaker 3: That that is a Rosenthal move, And can I just add.
Speaker 4: One more thing? With me?
Speaker 3: More and more we are seeing I don't know if
Speaker 3: this is just it feels that way, but doesn't it
Speaker 3: feel like in the last let's see, in the ten
Speaker 3: years of doing the show. NFL stadiums have more road
Speaker 3: fans than ever, like it feels like a traveling to
Speaker 3: see you team is there's been an uptick in that
Speaker 3: realm and then other fan bases invading stadiums. It's not
Speaker 3: just happening in LA. So yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people impacted by a schedule shifting on short notice like that.
Speaker 5: Well you've gotten You've got a vastly larger group of
Speaker 5: fans rooting for terrible teams, and it gets to become
Speaker 5: even if they're doing all right, they'll sell those tickets
Speaker 5: on the secondary marker, which is a little tough for
Speaker 5: when we were like ten or twelve, you had to
Speaker 5: like stand outside of the stadium and try to get
Speaker 5: someone to buy them.
Speaker 1: And why is all this happening all those ten year
Speaker 1: olds outside of it? You're within a you know, tickets
Speaker 1: for the poor.
Speaker 5: Yet I got the Yankees tickets outside of the stadium
Speaker 5: a few times, did you never?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did buy by the old, good old days.
Speaker 1: It gets in the front.
Speaker 3: I got to, I got to you're selling selling got
Speaker 3: to anyway, why is all that happening with the schedule shifting?
Speaker 3: Follow the money? But you know, that take a break,
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Running in Ah.
Speaker 3: Yes, the great iconic Jim Brown Hall of Famer and
Speaker 3: many eyes, although labeled a full back regularly routinely called
Speaker 3: the greatest running back who ever lived.
Speaker 1: Half back back in the day, also worked. It sort
Speaker 1: of covered both.
Speaker 3: One of the conversation points in the ATL interview, which
Speaker 3: you could check at the end of the show, is
Speaker 3: we brought up very original.
Speaker 4: We asked him about running back.
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore and at that time, coming off a two
Speaker 3: thousand yard season, he said, there's no brainer. My dear
Speaker 3: friend Adrian should be on that running back Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: And that's an interesting take. I wonder if Brown thought
Speaker 3: that ten years on. But Peterson, I think in my
Speaker 3: lifetime I think would have been there.
Speaker 4: Is there, but uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Would be on the Mount Rushmore of your lifetime.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it, because Brown's like, here we go.
Speaker 3: I think Barry Sanders ap or all day.
Speaker 1: I would put Tomlinson a lt walk ahead of Peterson,
Speaker 1: but I think he would be my fourth.
Speaker 3: Walter Payton wow lifetime. Well so you're watchable, yeah, since
Speaker 3: early nineties. And do I want to put Emmitt on there?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But Emmitt yes, what I mean, not over any of
Speaker 1: those guys though, Barry Peterson l t and for me,
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk is the fourth that I think. That's my
Speaker 1: four buck Oh yeah, okay, I.
Speaker 5: Watched Peyton, but I didn't watch I watched the end
Speaker 5: of his career.
Speaker 6: But EMMITTT. Smith absolutely would.
Speaker 4: Be who you're Zach Zenner? Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 6: Collectively sort of forgot him.
Speaker 3: Anyway, On the topic of running backs and Jim Brown,
Speaker 3: why don't we do a little fun off seas and Segi.
Speaker 3: Let's do a draft of current running backs. We'll put
Speaker 3: together how about this Eric behind the glass, Let's put
Speaker 3: together groups of four Yeah, and then we'll put it
Speaker 3: to a vote, and who has the best group of
Speaker 3: running backs? And then based on that vote, the winner
Speaker 3: gets to gloat and the person who comes.
Speaker 1: In now, because what, you can't always trust the votes.
Speaker 1: I remember we did some exercise like this recently, and
Speaker 1: I don't I think you one and.
Speaker 4: I lost, So you couldn't trust the vote in that case.
Speaker 1: Right, I still believe God sounds very reliable actually, Okay,
Speaker 1: So anyway, if I win, for instance, I will gloat.
Speaker 3: If Greg wins, he will not gloat because the vote
Speaker 3: isn't true to what's real?
Speaker 4: Is that is that cover both sides?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I might gloat anyways. Okay, good sounds fun.
Speaker 1: Wait that that's we're having funny if we're If we're
Speaker 1: doing that, then we gotta go snake snake drafting, snake
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna out of respect and Greg if you
Speaker 3: want to disagree, because you're very competitive, just incredibly so.
Speaker 3: I want to say Mark as as the longtime Browns
Speaker 3: fan Jim Brown, Oh, bit right, we can give them
Speaker 3: the first overall picks.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 3: Why don't we go this way? We'll get and this again,
Speaker 3: magnanimous as usual. You could pick second if you want. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'll take the third.
Speaker 1: Pick magnanimous as usual, like pointing, take take this away.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Some say it's like when you call yourself humble, that
Speaker 1: that has happened recently. I've seen that humble the.
Speaker 6: Number three position in this but I'll go number one.
Speaker 5: I also, I will say voters aside, like I'm not
Speaker 5: just I'm picking the guys that I want on my team,
Speaker 5: who I like watching.
Speaker 1: For this season. Yeah, we should. We should put the
Speaker 1: parameters like it's right now, it's this season, it's not
Speaker 1: their career right now.
Speaker 3: Right now, entering September twenty twenty three, that's who we're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 5: This is easy for me. I'm going uh with the
Speaker 5: number one pick, Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3: Hmm, you gotta from ros when you said, YEA.
Speaker 5: Absolutely easy and like for me, watching what happened in
Speaker 5: a better environment in San Francisco, the way he was
Speaker 5: used doubled my fascination with him.
Speaker 6: So he's my number one pick.
Speaker 3: You get him in that Shanahan offense and Mark's let's
Speaker 3: get a little tickle on the pants.
Speaker 6: That's not untrue.
Speaker 1: You look back like that draft he was in. I
Speaker 1: don't know if these guys will come up later, but
Speaker 1: Cook Nixon, like you couldn't go wrong in that draft.
Speaker 1: But McCaffrey, who was that the top one, has ended
Speaker 1: up the best?
Speaker 4: Can I with you?
Speaker 3: I'll just push back some important in this conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the previous two years are compromised by injury.
Speaker 4: Just something to keep an eye on.
Speaker 3: UH and UH also throw out there he didn't lose
Speaker 3: a fumble last season.
Speaker 4: So he's trustworthy with the ball in his hands.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say's dude to lose them now,
Speaker 6: But well.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some some of that in there too, but
Speaker 3: I don't think so. And he hadn't nearly nineteen hundred
Speaker 3: yards on the season. He had over twelve hundred scrimmage
Speaker 3: yards in eleven games in San Francisco. Now, is his
Speaker 3: body gonna be able to take that type of usage
Speaker 3: in another year?
Speaker 4: That would be my concern. But no one is gonna
Speaker 4: bang on the cess doog for going.
Speaker 6: It's a totally fair concern.
Speaker 5: But I kind of want to just remove that from it, because, like,
Speaker 5: if I'm projecting seventeen games, he's the clear best player here.
Speaker 1: Availability it's an important ability.
Speaker 3: It's actually a skill set to have health.
Speaker 5: Yes, well I'm I'm also made to be operating on
Speaker 5: a twelve game season, so there's a lot less work
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 6: You're out of you know, there's.
Speaker 4: Interesting he got engage this offseason.
Speaker 3: Two to that that young woman, very attractive Olivia something
Speaker 3: or other. It's all coming together for Christian McCaffrey. He
Speaker 3: really hit the lottery in life. Greg the second pick,
Speaker 3: Danny A.
Speaker 1: Mondola's out there, just oh colpo right this hell? You
Speaker 1: know the one that got away.
Speaker 4: She's great.
Speaker 1: A number two pick is gonna be Bejon Robinson and
Speaker 1: I had some other thoughts, but I want like McCaffrey
Speaker 1: and so the hunh wasn't just the way you prefaced it.
Speaker 1: I thought you were going in a different direction because
Speaker 1: of your your previous fandom. And I'm going bijon though,
Speaker 1: because unlike some of the other possible options, Like I
Speaker 1: just think he's gonna be so dynamic on all three
Speaker 1: downs and like it is a passing league and so
Speaker 1: that is so important to me. I know his numbers
Speaker 1: weren't crazy in the passing game of Texas, but I
Speaker 1: think his skill set is just outrageous. Get the running
Speaker 1: backs while they're young. I'm happy that he hasn't had
Speaker 1: any NFL mileage. I know we haven't seen it and
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of risk there, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I don't I don't think it's that big.
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, there is a projection there where just
Speaker 5: we like, let's see what happens with him, But I
Speaker 5: think he's he was in my top three, okay, for
Speaker 5: similar reasons. I mean, I don't really care what the
Speaker 5: talking about in May. But he has talked about the
Speaker 5: fact that Arthur Smith, you know, in early OTAs, has
Speaker 5: sampled him all over the field, and like you can
Speaker 5: just tell Tyler Elgier massive admiration for him as one
Speaker 5: of my guys. I think Beajon Robinson is not unlike
Speaker 5: a Jim Brown early career type person where he could
Speaker 5: come in and just be ultra dominant and be an
Speaker 5: you know, offensive player of the year conversations right away.
Speaker 1: Right Like he really reminds me more than anyone that's
Speaker 1: come out of Tomlinson and Falk. Both of those guys
Speaker 1: came into the league and were top players immediately. Tomlinson
Speaker 1: led the league and touches as a rookie. Falk I
Speaker 1: think was All Pro as a rookie he had eighteen
Speaker 1: hundred yards or okay, second team All Pro, like and
Speaker 1: I think that's the type of player Bjohn is going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler, I don't like what you're about to do here.
Speaker 3: I think I've woken up and I've chosen violence because
Speaker 3: I know you on it, but you're not going to
Speaker 3: get it because I got Nick Chubb with the number
Speaker 3: three overall pick. I think, uh, you know, at a
Speaker 3: time where we're talking about Jim Brown. It's it's interesting
Speaker 3: to think that Chubb is I think a little bit underrated.
Speaker 3: I think it definitely is, especially you know, is he
Speaker 3: the Browns have kind of gone down after they were
Speaker 3: on the rise there and and then you had the
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson drama and it kind of just buried everything
Speaker 3: around Cleveland.
Speaker 4: So Chubb was just off the radar. But he just
Speaker 4: he's just different.
Speaker 3: Like if we're talking about like Jim Brown was different
Speaker 3: and he was like to me, when Nick Chubb has
Speaker 3: the ball in his hands, and God forbid, he gets
Speaker 3: on an offense that's functional.
Speaker 4: With a high level quarterback.
Speaker 3: Lookout because he set career highs in all major categories
Speaker 3: just about He averaged over five yards carried like you
Speaker 3: know who.
Speaker 1: It never hasn't every season of his career.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy five point six one season, so you know,
Speaker 3: it's seventeen games now, so fifteen hundred yards isn't quite
Speaker 3: what it used to be. But still, even in a
Speaker 3: down year for Cleveland with quarterback issues throughout the year,
Speaker 3: he was an absolute stud. He is my pick at
Speaker 3: number three overall, and I kind of love it. I
Speaker 3: think I would have taken him at number two if
Speaker 3: I had the pick.
Speaker 5: I think it helps him this year. They're not It
Speaker 5: sounds like they're not going to resign Kareem Hunt. When
Speaker 5: you see him on fantasy lists, I feel like Chubb
Speaker 5: is always lower than the actual player and.
Speaker 6: What he is to watch visitor.
Speaker 5: He does have little remnants of Jim Brown to me
Speaker 5: in certain moments, the way he runs, like there's just
Speaker 5: something about his violent, aggressive nature.
Speaker 3: No gloves. Does he use gloves?
Speaker 6: Well, I'd have to check it.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if there's a clearance to that every game.
Speaker 5: But also if you go look up like Nick Chubb
Speaker 5: in game images, he just looks like a running back
Speaker 5: that you'd create an a laboratory. He'd completely changed how
Speaker 5: I felt about the Browns for a chunk of time
Speaker 5: because of how dom it was. He harks back to
Speaker 5: what that team always said it wanted to be in
Speaker 5: that division, and he was the manifestation.
Speaker 3: And yet he's not on your team here it's mine.
Speaker 6: Right, Well, I he was my made me. You've made
Speaker 6: me upset because I actually.
Speaker 5: Thought I always sort of historically thought you were a
Speaker 5: little bit lower on Nick Chubb.
Speaker 3: No, I love Chubb, So I was lower. I guess
Speaker 3: I'm Mayfield, but Chubb was always that.
Speaker 6: Is that's clear, but like, but this was this is
Speaker 6: a great pick by you.
Speaker 1: Look I I yeah, that was. It would have been.
Speaker 6: I'm annoyed.
Speaker 1: Now Chubb and beejeone would have been my top two.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really decide, but uh.
Speaker 6: Greg runs away with this. If you Chubb, and I'm
Speaker 6: saying that.
Speaker 1: The passing game, you know, he's just not quite as
Speaker 1: dynamic in the passing game, and so that's just like
Speaker 1: the tiny knock. But he's the best runner. I would
Speaker 1: have said, if you need five yards and your life
Speaker 1: depended on it, he would be my umber one. Overall.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to address that with my second pick
Speaker 3: as we snake around now and I did. This was
Speaker 3: between two players, but one is more durable and has
Speaker 3: a less kind of injury history in terms of reconstructive
Speaker 3: surgeries on the knees and whatnot.
Speaker 4: Austin Eckler is my pick. And don't say reach.
Speaker 3: You can't say it because you got to look at
Speaker 3: the production, which is Titanic. I mean, and Saquon Barkley
Speaker 3: obviously is the other guy had in mind here. But
Speaker 3: what Austin Eckler has done just these last two years,
Speaker 3: you understand, even though it didn't work out for him,
Speaker 3: this attempt to get a new contract and even get
Speaker 3: moved in a trade. He's a victim of the way
Speaker 3: the NFL and the decision makers view running backs entering
Speaker 3: their late twenties.
Speaker 4: But he's a locking in.
Speaker 3: If you want a running back that's gonna have one
Speaker 3: hundred catches, he'll give you that one hundred and seven.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 3: He finds the end zone like nobody else in the league.
Speaker 3: I think at this point, I used to think it
Speaker 3: was Alvin Kamara. Now to me, the guy when he
Speaker 3: has the ball and he's hitting inside the five yard line,
Speaker 3: the guy that's gonna get over the goal is Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3: And you see that in terms of his touchdowns.
Speaker 4: What is his number?
Speaker 3: He has some absurd number of touchdowns in the last
Speaker 3: two years. Something it's close to forty, I believe. So
Speaker 3: he's a dynamic.
Speaker 1: Height led the league both both years.
Speaker 4: Thirty eight. And he even started a little slow this
Speaker 4: past season, fantasy heads will tell you, and he's.
Speaker 5: The running game was a bit of a mess, and
Speaker 5: then he then he started to cook.
Speaker 3: So you if you want to the best all purpose
Speaker 3: back in the league and when you factor in everything
Speaker 3: including durability, is probably McCaffrey. But if you want to say,
Speaker 3: well the factor in the durability, I'm gonna say it's Eckler.
Speaker 1: One hundred and seven catches.
Speaker 6: It's wild.
Speaker 1: I don't know how that slipped slipped past me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if if part of this is
Speaker 5: like you're gonna like hard scrabble a defense by literally
Speaker 5: putting four of these runners into the backfield, Like, I
Speaker 5: love what you've done because you can do literally anything.
Speaker 6: Those two players.
Speaker 4: He's my third down back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I'm not lucky at them had That's why
Speaker 1: I said reach at first, because just because he hasn't
Speaker 1: had the touch, oh he has the last two years,
Speaker 1: two seventy six in three eleven. I'm not at all
Speaker 1: I'm being a jerk. I'm being the same way the
Speaker 1: Chargers are not giving him that money. I'm being the
Speaker 1: same way the NFL was not drafting him. That you
Speaker 1: see guys that are physically a little more explosive or
Speaker 1: younger in the case of Jon Robinson, uh, and you
Speaker 1: just I lean a little more there. But you're right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go all my friends are jerks.
Speaker 4: You are up.
Speaker 1: I mean I can pick didn't seem fair. Well, this
Speaker 1: is tricky. See, I could make a pick that I
Speaker 1: think would be geared towards winning the vote.
Speaker 4: You're in your head now.
Speaker 1: The voters though they would like Saquan he's frilly, but
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm taking Alvin Kamara. Actually, I trust
Speaker 1: him more on a down to down basis that he
Speaker 1: can do everything.
Speaker 3: A factoring in a likely suspension that could wipe out
Speaker 3: at the beginning of a season.
Speaker 1: Well that doesn't count based on September, based on.
Speaker 5: The Alvin Kamara right now, So it's it's a factor
Speaker 5: for the Saints.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking this suspension world. I thought, it's just
Speaker 1: like we're taking who's the best at playing football.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, he's got some court cases to handle. First.
Speaker 4: You think we was a black what.
Speaker 6: We got from last year from Alvin Kamara was the
Speaker 6: best version.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't his best, and so that is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a concern coming into year seven. I
Speaker 1: think just comparing him to some of the other running
Speaker 1: backs that would be available, you could you could you
Speaker 1: could pick little things out of each one of them,
Speaker 1: and to me, I think Kamara's still got one at
Speaker 1: least one last truly great season. And when you just
Speaker 1: look at skill sets of what you want in a
Speaker 1: running back, power as you mentioned, like shocking power inside
Speaker 1: the five year yard line when you need it make
Speaker 1: you miss. I don't think his offensive line has been
Speaker 1: helping him out lately. The receiving skills. To me, he
Speaker 1: is almost the perfect back. He could almost be the
Speaker 1: number one overall back. He's not at a coming off
Speaker 1: like his best season ever. But I still feel good
Speaker 1: at the suspension. That's BS. I'm not taking it. Not
Speaker 1: that is Greg.
Speaker 5: You surprised me with that pick. I don't totally dislike it,
Speaker 5: but I would not have gone there now.
Speaker 3: The real ones out there, they know, the fantasy people
Speaker 3: that had Alvin Kamara on Christmas Night or Christmas Day
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, when he scored six touchdowns and single handedly
Speaker 3: lifted and myself included thousands and thousands of people to
Speaker 3: the greatest Christmas gift ever given in a fantasy scenario.
Speaker 3: I will always have a love in respect for Alvin
Speaker 3: from that standpoint. But since since as you picking him
Speaker 3: means him, I'm sure, but since the end of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty has he is? He a little bit a little
Speaker 3: bit less than I mean, if you look at some
Speaker 3: of the numbers he's come down, it back is he
Speaker 3: has he already played his best football? Like where do
Speaker 3: the Saints feel about him? When you factor in the
Speaker 3: off the fields?
Speaker 5: I would also factor in like their quarterback play, like
Speaker 5: the fact that Jean paton fantasy.
Speaker 1: Oh, you mean in terms of actual.
Speaker 6: Actual the actual experience of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. And I guess I just look
Speaker 1: at his career arc and I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: one great year still left in him. But you're right.
Speaker 1: They drafted Kendrick Miller, who's kind of a like fantasy wise,
Speaker 1: he would not be up this high like Echeler to
Speaker 1: me was fairly low on my list, like not in
Speaker 1: the top eight, but for fantasy he might be number one,
Speaker 1: whereas Kamara, I sort of would flip him.
Speaker 3: Kamara, Yeah, and it's it's in my head a little
Speaker 3: bit because he averaged three point seven yards per carat
Speaker 3: twenty one, and last year he recovered a little bit
Speaker 3: and was better, but he hasn't really performed.
Speaker 4: Like a superstar for a couple of years.
Speaker 3: But you're saying it still ps in the eye test.
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, Okay, Mark, you're up. You got two
Speaker 3: in a row here, all right.
Speaker 5: I am gonna take Saquon Barkley, okay, as my second
Speaker 5: running back alongside Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 6: Look at it.
Speaker 5: I could you could if you if I wanted to,
Speaker 5: Like he's gonna argue against myself, it's possible you get
Speaker 5: both of my first running backs for like seven games
Speaker 5: in a season.
Speaker 6: There is that problem. But I am dismissing that part of.
Speaker 3: And Greg, I heard you just in tone that you
Speaker 3: think it's over. Mark's gonna win. I believe this competition
Speaker 3: will be made and won in the last two picks.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I think there's probably some people a little down on
Speaker 5: the Saquon bark five year journey.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like they're the shine.
Speaker 1: They're shining names. He's still a little too boom or
Speaker 1: bus for me. I love what Takon Barkley did last year,
Speaker 1: but I want more reliability, and I do think he's
Speaker 1: he's not as reliable as some of these guys.
Speaker 5: I think again, like I said, it's a question about
Speaker 5: will he be there. But the version of the player
Speaker 5: that we saw last year in Brian Dabolls offense with
Speaker 5: better quarterback play, I mean, final the whole offense finally
Speaker 5: awakened from a four year injury riddled nightmare, and we
Speaker 5: saw the guy that they drafted back in the day.
Speaker 5: And I'm going with the like just going for the
Speaker 5: ceiling if you get that ceiling of McCaffrey, were all regrets.
Speaker 3: All right, everybody pause, pause this draft, take a break,
Speaker 3: we'll finish it up.
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back.
Speaker 5: I'm still in the I mean, you know, in the
Speaker 5: war rooms situation. Here, this is, this is There's so
Speaker 5: many different ways I can go here. We're going vikings
Speaker 5: you here, I'm gonna get I think I'm gonna lose
Speaker 5: points here because I think people believe that this player
Speaker 5: is close to the end. But I absolutely love watching him,
Speaker 5: and I think people could I know, when they put
Speaker 5: this out on social they're not going to say, like,
Speaker 5: here's how Mark drafted. It just gonna be like, we
Speaker 5: don't we think this guy's beyond the pale. But Derick Henry,
Speaker 5: that's my dude.
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, I just.
Speaker 5: Love He's one of the reasons that I absolutely adored
Speaker 5: watching the Titans, adored watching their offense pairing him with
Speaker 5: Ryan Tannehill. I mean, this year in that offense, we'll see.
Speaker 5: But the player itself, Derrick Henry, we met him in person.
Speaker 5: I thought him to be a very likable, impressive in
Speaker 5: both his personality and yes, because it's like you're gonna
Speaker 5: be working with this player a day after day. So
Speaker 5: Dereck Henry is my pick, okay, And I don't really
Speaker 5: care what anyone Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean that we don't really have to say anything.
Speaker 3: But he you know, there is a reality where the
Speaker 3: Titans are a bottom feeder in the AFC, or he.
Speaker 6: Gets traded somewhere and has one more five.
Speaker 1: He's incredible and there's no one like him. But he's
Speaker 1: a little why I'm not as big on Saquon either,
Speaker 1: although I have regrets because I think I might have
Speaker 1: I might have let my Alvin Kamara love you could
Speaker 1: have gotten him in the third or even fourth affect
Speaker 1: me too much. I could have gotten Saquon. There's maybe
Speaker 1: a little a little more explosive right now. But the
Speaker 1: reason I don't love Saquon or Henry is I'm not like,
Speaker 1: I love Henry, but it's like one one, one, one, three, seven,
Speaker 1: twenty one or whatever, and it's like, I don't like
Speaker 1: all those one.
Speaker 4: The old Barry Sanders logic.
Speaker 1: A lot of ones, I mean at this stage of
Speaker 1: his career. Yeah, that said, there's literally.
Speaker 6: Player were a lot of things that weren't ones from
Speaker 6: Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. But it's like a slow build
Speaker 1: and then then suddenly that he runs through seven people.
Speaker 4: Does he have That's a great point, mar I would
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 3: I would, I would ask does he have the same
Speaker 3: burst that he had a couple of years ago before
Speaker 3: the foot injury. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean I think I think when like I said,
Speaker 5: still the same player, when they look at my list,
Speaker 5: I think there'll be people that'll they'll think that Derrick
Speaker 5: Henry was drafted by someone that didn't maybe watch Derrick
Speaker 5: Henry play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got a lot of star wattage here, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that not well your team leaving him. I think
Speaker 1: your team's looking good. It's kind of under the raidar.
Speaker 1: He had the second highest yards from scrimmage of his
Speaker 1: career last year, was a better receiver, led the league
Speaker 1: and carries again three out of four years. So that's
Speaker 1: a concern that he might break down. But it's not
Speaker 1: like he wasn't productive. He had nineteen hundred yards from
Speaker 1: scrimmage last year. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I think it's a solid pick.
Speaker 1: Mark, I did too.
Speaker 3: Are you okay with the input and the analysis if
Speaker 3: it like leans positive toward you?
Speaker 6: No, I definitely am yeah when it does that.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Greg, you have to somehow salage this.
Speaker 1: See it gets a little you're.
Speaker 3: Kind of a yeah, you're in the weeds right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not You guys are acting like Alvin kamaras some
Speaker 1: sort of bum. I'm taking Jonathan Taylor. I want a
Speaker 1: big playmaker on the ground here. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Oh man, what just spinning, dude?
Speaker 1: No, I'm happy with that.
Speaker 3: He Yes, he's coming off one of the more disappointing
Speaker 3: follow up years to a truly great breakout year that
Speaker 3: anyone could remember.
Speaker 4: But I'll go give you some pop on this one.
Speaker 3: GREGI like, if if the line is better, if your
Speaker 3: quarterback Richardson is out of the box, a player.
Speaker 4: Could tailor regain his form. I think he's like twenty five.
Speaker 1: He's twenty four years old. He had twenty one hundred
Speaker 1: yards and twenty touchdowns just two seasons ago. His production
Speaker 1: last year was about the fact that he missed games
Speaker 1: primarily and that his team stunk and he wasn't popping
Speaker 1: quite as much early. I think he got better as
Speaker 1: the season went along. He's a good receiver. He's not
Speaker 1: a great receiver. But in terms of a ceiling here,
Speaker 1: I'll take whatever his odds are to lead the league
Speaker 1: and rushing this year, because I know they'll be somewhat long,
Speaker 1: and to me, he's got a pretty decent chance to
Speaker 1: lead the league.
Speaker 6: I like it.
Speaker 5: He probably would have been my next pick too. And
Speaker 5: I think last year's Colts made it easy to forget
Speaker 5: about anything any of them had done the year prior.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just such a chaotic soup of
Speaker 5: terrible play and the line crumbled. It was a year
Speaker 5: ago we all thought they might be like an AFC
Speaker 5: title game contender, and I think back now with Shane Steichen,
Speaker 5: if he is what we think he can be as
Speaker 5: a coach. Anthony Richardson like, there's so this is a
Speaker 5: completely different offense and a better, better line play, and
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor is There's no question about the fact that
Speaker 5: like his career is ahead of him.
Speaker 1: It's a solid pitch, but my offensive line is awesome.
Speaker 1: He'moving them from you know, consideration, people around them.
Speaker 5: People when they see these lists are not gonna understand
Speaker 5: what's happening.
Speaker 4: You kind of have to think how people.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the people. The people. I dare
Speaker 1: you to vote for me. No one's voting for this team.
Speaker 1: Screw you off.
Speaker 5: Well, you're you're attempting to run psychological truth.
Speaker 3: I think this is a classic spin out. It's a
Speaker 3: classic spinout scenario going it's a car crash. I have
Speaker 3: a I'm in a tough spot here because I'm kind
Speaker 3: of caught between because we had speaking of people I
Speaker 3: personally enjoy I liked having Aaron Jones on the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl Week podcast. Yeah, I like him as a player.
Speaker 3: He does have versatility.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: First guy to be discussed at length, but maybe not
Speaker 1: being picked. You have two picks, by the way.
Speaker 3: I do, and uh, you know, and then there's Josh
Speaker 3: Jacobs and Josh Jacobs is the rushing champ and that
Speaker 3: means something right, Hell yeah, I'd think so.
Speaker 6: Tangible proof of ability.
Speaker 3: He was really good last year too.
Speaker 6: Two years in a row is probably the question for
Speaker 6: most everyone.
Speaker 4: Like he was every bit as good as his numbers were.
Speaker 5: You know, that's why that thinking ahead front office declined
Speaker 5: his fifth year option before the season.
Speaker 6: They knew what was coming.
Speaker 1: But if either are the only two year debating, just
Speaker 1: picked the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not that simple, Gergy, but I will
Speaker 3: go ahead and pull the trigger on Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: He sounded more excited.
Speaker 3: I'm that excited just because you know, there's a reason
Speaker 3: also why the Raiders declined the option and he didn't.
Speaker 3: Even though he's a first round pick, he wasn't really
Speaker 3: shaping up as a special player, but he was absolutely dynamic.
Speaker 3: I almost wish everybody's talking about now that DeVonta Adams
Speaker 3: spoke out against the offense a little bit, maybe he'll
Speaker 3: be moved. That seems like a non starter because of
Speaker 3: the the dead money involved and what a mess that
Speaker 3: would be for the Raiders.
Speaker 4: After the fact, Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3: Being used in getting three hundred and forty more carries
Speaker 3: on this Raiders team, does that excite me?
Speaker 4: Not totally. But his play was so good. He had
Speaker 4: so many.
Speaker 3: Huge runs, game winning runs, walk off touchdowns. He was
Speaker 3: everything you want out of a featured back, three down banger,
Speaker 3: and that's why even gave him something out in the
Speaker 3: receiving game. Fifty three catches, four hundred yards. I will
Speaker 3: give josh Jack Jacobs my pick with number three and
Speaker 3: number four. Yeah, I could now, I mean logically that
Speaker 3: makes sense that I would then just pivot to Aaron Jones.
Speaker 3: But I won't because I want to have a little
Speaker 3: wild card in here too. And that's why Breese Hall,
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to do. It is my
Speaker 3: final pick, and it's a total homer pick. But I
Speaker 3: want you to go before the knee injury. Check that
Speaker 3: game tape of those final weeks before the injury. You
Speaker 3: will not find a more electric running back in football.
Speaker 3: He As much as Zach Wilson's failures last year and
Speaker 3: the offensive line injuries, his absence is really what ruined
Speaker 3: their season because he was just about to take over.
Speaker 3: He would have been Rookie of the Year, not his
Speaker 3: teammate Garrett Wilson. And there's a projection here coming off
Speaker 3: in ACL and we'll see his availability and all that,
Speaker 3: but I am willing to roll the dice and put
Speaker 3: my faith in modern medicine to Breece Hall, absolutely explosive
Speaker 3: and exciting. And that's where you go with your fourth pick.
Speaker 5: You've now snatched away two players that I wanted because of.
Speaker 6: Healthing better than doing it. And I'm with you with
Speaker 6: Brece Hall.
Speaker 4: It's always good to hurt your friends.
Speaker 6: Also, I think it's a good team planning.
Speaker 5: You've got a You've got a young young player who
Speaker 5: will be around for years years, and that you know,
Speaker 5: on a on a four running back.
Speaker 6: Football team, thank you, with no other position.
Speaker 4: I have a I have a banger in Jacobs and
Speaker 4: who he does?
Speaker 1: They just played each other, so who's playing defense? I
Speaker 1: guess they got to play defense too. My team has
Speaker 1: some two waivers.
Speaker 6: We have not that out.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I'm just saying that there are four
Speaker 1: running backs just roving the countryside looking for competition.
Speaker 4: Basically, all right, Greg, close out your nuclear disasso.
Speaker 1: I really was spinning out because, like I kind of
Speaker 1: wish I took Jacob's because no one was going to
Speaker 1: take Taylor anyways. I don't think or you weren't, you could.
Speaker 6: Get James Connor here.
Speaker 3: Greg, Wait, just I don't know if this will make
Speaker 3: Craig feel better worse. But I wouldn't have taken Kamara
Speaker 3: or Jonathan Taylor period. Would you have taken either of them?
Speaker 6: I would have gone Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it. Available to strategy. I
Speaker 1: have inside information. I've done some reporting sources close to
Speaker 1: Mark's computer, which I can see that's not.
Speaker 4: Some say on tour. But also that's gamesmanship.
Speaker 1: Cheating would be another way to look at it. He
Speaker 1: has this. First of all, I think he was blowing
Speaker 1: smoke up you with the bree saw. He was a
Speaker 1: little lower on his list. Second, blowing smoke up me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, my bad bad reporting you are?
Speaker 6: You're gonna spot screen right.
Speaker 4: I think it's accurate.
Speaker 1: To make it for good podcasting. My point of this
Speaker 1: whole preamble was to be uh, Mark and I had
Speaker 1: the exact same names uh next anyways, which was Ramondre
Speaker 1: Stevenson and Aaron Jones, And I hadn't decided which of
Speaker 1: those two I wanted to take in my mind yet,
Speaker 1: but we had the same next two up. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take Aaron Jones. He was an affable guy, and
Speaker 1: I do think back maybe we'll get to Tybee here.
Speaker 1: I do think back to Wes's impressions of Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: that he just thought he was such a natural, explosive runner.
Speaker 1: And again, Ramandre is gonna be a better fantasy pick.
Speaker 1: Ormandre's an amazing player. I like them both a lot,
Speaker 1: but just in terms of the the quality that Aaron
Speaker 1: Jones has put out year after year after year after year,
Speaker 1: that's actually what makes a great running back. And we
Speaker 1: know he's not wearing down. I don't think he's gotten
Speaker 1: worse at all, and he's kept fresh because of the
Speaker 1: way that they've used him. He is the modern back that,
Speaker 1: like the defense does not know what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: on a certain play, and he can do anything. So
Speaker 1: if I was billing team, I truly would take Jones
Speaker 1: over Remandra, even though I love them both.
Speaker 3: And there's the other Aaron's gone in Green Bay that
Speaker 3: gives me a little bit of pause about how that
Speaker 3: could negatively impact their running game, and and.
Speaker 1: I don't get to worry about that on my team, right.
Speaker 3: I guess we look at it from different perspectives obviously,
Speaker 3: but that to me matters in terms of what kind
Speaker 3: of production you'll have this year. But it's a good pick.
Speaker 1: We're just out there. I'm like, I'm like Mark Malone,
Speaker 1: the Nuggets coach. Nobody believed in us, no one's talking
Speaker 1: about us. We're gonna roam the countryside.
Speaker 3: He's gonna win the champions. You are not winning anything.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna leave here.
Speaker 5: And completely forget that we created this list. This is
Speaker 5: gonna be a Greg internal think piece for like the
Speaker 5: next twenty four plus hours, because I can tell you're
Speaker 5: you're affected by what's but Jones.
Speaker 3: You did. You landed the plane with just a touch
Speaker 3: of dignity here. That's fine, that's good.
Speaker 1: The only thing I made a mistake strategy. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really thinking what you guys were gonna do.
Speaker 5: You know, I look at your list, Greg, and I
Speaker 5: there's you know, it's got its qualities.
Speaker 6: I just don't even know who your like number one
Speaker 6: guy is, to be honest.
Speaker 1: The guy I took, and it was gonna take first
Speaker 1: overall bees on freaking Robinson.
Speaker 5: That's fine, but I mean, you would have taken Kyle
Speaker 5: Pitts if we did a tight end or Vietnam and.
Speaker 1: You don't never know Sally you had him in your
Speaker 1: top three.
Speaker 3: Just never know how it's gonna go it's all you know,
Speaker 3: all right, close it out more?
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: I do find this to be kind of a soup
Speaker 5: down here because part.
Speaker 4: Of me, you're in a tricky spot.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's you know, I can't really lose
Speaker 5: this yere. But like Travis Eutn is very interesting to me,
Speaker 5: Tony Pollard, Kenneth Walker. Uh, but I mean I am
Speaker 5: gonna go Remandre Stevenson. We keep dipping into like what
Speaker 5: he's gonna look like in that offense in New England.
Speaker 6: But I don't think that surprising.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: I love watching him last year.
Speaker 5: And I think he's he has a chance to be
Speaker 5: like yardage wise top five, top four.
Speaker 1: I think it's a you can make a pretty good
Speaker 1: argument Rimandre Stevenson was a better running back than Breeze
Speaker 1: Hall last year when they were both on the field.
Speaker 1: He can do everything. He can make make you miss.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can't break the huge plays at Breeze Hawkins.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that, but in terms of making people,
Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot of Josh Jacobs. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think he's a very s They.
Speaker 3: Let Damien Harris go he did. Yeah, that's also a
Speaker 3: benefit to this but there's the Patriots are kind of
Speaker 3: an annoying team and the running backs that he's ready
Speaker 3: to eat maybe and get get to touch what he had.
Speaker 3: He had two hundred and seventy eighty.
Speaker 1: Yards last year from scrimmage, seventy almost seventy catches.
Speaker 3: What are the big guys getting, like the real dogs,
Speaker 3: like not Derek Henry level, but like what do you
Speaker 3: want from touches plus three hundred?
Speaker 4: Is that what we're talking about?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? He was at two seventy nine. Yeah, three three,
Speaker 1: let's maybe gets an up tick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so all right, some guys that didn't get picked
Speaker 3: before we sign off here, I want.
Speaker 4: To hear about.
Speaker 3: I really like Travest, like gravytns. That's a tough omission.
Speaker 3: Like if you were going to build a fifteen that
Speaker 3: was off our o mits etn would be there.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be on mine. But Pollard Pollard next game there,
Speaker 1: I think off the injury Dalvin Cook, who's still.
Speaker 3: Viking, But I don't know about Cook anymore.
Speaker 6: I would not have Cook. I think Cook is Miles Sanders.
Speaker 1: I think Cook's cooks wait and see mix in. I
Speaker 1: feel like is cooked? Dalvin Cook played pretty well? Uh
Speaker 1: I don't think he would make sense for this exercise,
Speaker 1: but I think JK. Dobbins, now another year removed from
Speaker 1: that injury, is ready to emerge. So him and Kenneth
Speaker 1: Walker would have been on my long list.
Speaker 3: I gotta, I gotta throw it out there, Mark, just
Speaker 3: because it was a big to do on our show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Algier.
Speaker 5: You know, if you don't have Jon Robinson, Tyler Algier
Speaker 5: could have had massive yardage.
Speaker 3: But this is kind of a time where he might
Speaker 3: he could have.
Speaker 4: Used Tyler algaere algae a little life. He's officially, uh,
Speaker 4: your guy.
Speaker 3: I've just thrown him at one of those booy things.
Speaker 4: What is it the what is it the life?
Speaker 6: This wasn't that circular one.
Speaker 5: This was the like DiCaprio and a piece of wood
Speaker 5: that floats down into the sea. Unfortunately, because he's not
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't want to pinpoint, not pinpoint Tyler Child.
Speaker 6: But he's not in my top four in this thing.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't on my long one. I really good
Speaker 1: player that we have. You know, we only got through
Speaker 1: top twelve in the league. If we did top twenty,
Speaker 1: is he on there?
Speaker 5: Maybe I still believe that Damian fierce a year from
Speaker 5: now will be in this size.
Speaker 1: What is this? Dan is making an arm motion? Are
Speaker 1: we taping this for YouTube? It's time Eric bed the glass.
Speaker 3: I got my Oxford blue on that smoothed it out.
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Speaker 1: was that motion?
Speaker 4: You were right?
Speaker 6: Keeps telling people what to do.
Speaker 1: I mean it every time he mentions it. We never
Speaker 1: did it coming.
Speaker 4: From I was It's like it's a TC top from
Speaker 4: TC Tuggers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I should have picked that.
Speaker 4: Happy birthday to Link Westling three years old.
Speaker 3: And and I texted Lakeisha today that three that's where
Speaker 3: it really starts to get fun. Yeah, and they're in
Speaker 3: Saint Louis now, so it would be great to see him.
Speaker 4: But he's happy. Lakeisha's happy.
Speaker 3: Greg.
Speaker 4: You know that because you were in Tybee this past weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lincoln was the star of the weekend. I mean
Speaker 1: it was amazing to spend the time with Colleen. Came
Speaker 1: and and Keisha was down there and seeing all of
Speaker 1: our friends in Tybee. But I really will remember it
Speaker 1: as a trip. I got to know Link better because
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Three you're coming into your own
Speaker 1: and oh, yeah, he's a good hang. Like he he
Speaker 1: is a good hang. He was there like his dad
Speaker 1: would have been at every event, every you know, we
Speaker 1: go on the boat, he's driving the boat, we go
Speaker 1: to the bar. He's having a good time coming out site,
Speaker 1: you know, bringing all of Wes's friends out with him
Speaker 1: to go jump on the speed.
Speaker 4: But of course there's a three year old at the bar.
Speaker 1: No one's question actually was told at one point because
Speaker 1: he was sitting up at a bar and this was
Speaker 1: a different place, and of course it was like one
Speaker 1: of Wes's friends own this restaurant. Was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: can't sit up there, but he can sit at one
Speaker 1: of the tables.
Speaker 4: It was okay, okay, you gotta have limits.
Speaker 3: You gotta restrictions.
Speaker 1: And he's sort of I mean, I've been around a
Speaker 1: lot of kids to beare minimum. I love my kids,
Speaker 1: but sometimes other kids I don't engage as much with,
Speaker 1: especially when they're younger. But he truly is like a
Speaker 1: fun hanging. One thing I noticed and it really it
Speaker 1: touched me and Keisha too, like he like was really
Speaker 1: all about Wes's boys. The girls not so much, you know,
Speaker 1: poor COLLEENI didn't get as much attention, but I think
Speaker 1: he just like liked hanging out in time with the
Speaker 1: guys and like he was he was happier to see
Speaker 1: me than my my kids are happy to see me.
Speaker 1: And he was like that with a lot of uh,
Speaker 1: Chris's closest friends, Wayne and Jim and like everyone sort
Speaker 1: of had their Link moments because he would just grab
Speaker 1: your hand and go kind of take you off and
Speaker 1: you would do things with Link and it really it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It felt like like Chris was there and
Speaker 1: then and he was there through Link and going down there,
Speaker 1: you just feel a lot, you know, you guys had
Speaker 1: that experience. You feel everything. You feel happy, you feel
Speaker 1: like Wes should be there, you feel sad. It's just
Speaker 1: like everything together.
Speaker 5: We like when you call him a good hang a
Speaker 5: good hangout. I mean, and you mentioned West, but Lakeisha
Speaker 5: is very high on that power rank too, has been, so.
Speaker 4: Let's rank him.
Speaker 5: The combined DNA is powerful. I did notice there were
Speaker 5: some nice shots of you guys riding in a car together,
Speaker 5: you and Link.
Speaker 1: He was driving the golf car.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Keisha, maybe we should put you know,
Speaker 3: some guardrails on this he was.
Speaker 6: Skinny dipping at one point and you were about four
Speaker 6: inches from.
Speaker 3: His Yeah, breaking news. We have another topless Greg shot
Speaker 3: that that is now oh no surface, not that we'll
Speaker 3: share it, gregy, but just people should know because it
Speaker 3: came up recently that there was a topless beach shot
Speaker 3: of Greg, which I don't really remember.
Speaker 5: It was scrub kind of remember, got on the radar
Speaker 5: of multiple NFL employees because I think, so, what is this.
Speaker 4: And this is for?
Speaker 3: This is for you know, maybe some fans out there
Speaker 3: that just want to picture it. It's Greg topless in
Speaker 3: a jacuzzi and that's a little extra special.
Speaker 1: And link also naked, so actually he's his crop that
Speaker 1: album naked. It helps prevent it from getting out. We
Speaker 1: don't need that. Yeah, we were having fun. We got
Speaker 1: after it too, I mean we had fun. You're right
Speaker 1: about Keish that I think that gets lost. Maybe our
Speaker 1: listeners don't even know that. Like Keish is one of
Speaker 1: my best friends. Is one of all of our best
Speaker 1: friends too, like in that and that it's not because
Speaker 1: of Wes, It's just they were a combination. They were
Speaker 1: a powerhouse that was combined together, and so it was
Speaker 1: it was a it was a blast.
Speaker 3: That's why we were so excited way back in the
Speaker 3: day when Wes and Lakeisha got together, because Lakeisha had
Speaker 3: established herself as a powerhouse in the newsroom and and
Speaker 3: a fun hang and it was like, oh, that makes
Speaker 3: way more sense than these others randoms that Chris is
Speaker 3: dating right now.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean we were rooting for it and
Speaker 5: it was the ideal love story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy because it was their anniversary weekend
Speaker 1: two and it was the same weekend I went there
Speaker 1: five years ago, and so it is it's there is
Speaker 1: a heaviness too, It's it's not the same without West
Speaker 1: being there. But we felt like like being there and
Speaker 1: having fun with all his friends. I love his friends,
Speaker 1: and everyone popped up, you know. During the weeknd. Jason,
Speaker 1: who was as efficient, who lived nearby no longer in Tybe,
Speaker 1: came by for a little bit and we saw Wayne
Speaker 1: and Rosie a lot and everyone and and but it
Speaker 1: was five years ago. That it's crazy. I've been there
Speaker 1: four times in five years. Once was to celebrate West
Speaker 1: getting over cancer. Once was the wedding, Once was celebrating
Speaker 1: his life after he died, and then this was this
Speaker 1: was the fourth and it's just it's insane what's happened
Speaker 1: over those five years. But we we appreciate all the
Speaker 1: people that have been along for the ride.
Speaker 4: And this is this podcast is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's about family, and it's about the
Speaker 3: connections that we have on the show and we built
Speaker 3: through the years, and and so having Lakeisha in our
Speaker 3: lives and having link in our lives it matters. And
Speaker 3: listeners know that the people that are important to the
Speaker 3: show matter. But that's nice, that's very nice. And Lakeisha
Speaker 3: is coming out again to La and we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to hang out with her. Got a little event set
Speaker 3: up next week and she'll be there as well.
Speaker 1: So oh that's next week. Oh yeah, this off season
Speaker 1: is going quickly.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 4: That's it. Thank you everybody behind the glass for your patience.
Speaker 4: A lot of yammering other stuff.
Speaker 3: We'll be back Thursday, perhaps with a very special guest.
Speaker 3: Until then, as Chris said, heed the call hands us
Speaker 3: and mister fancy fans, the Flames need NFL news.
Speaker 5: Here's the chance it's at aroundly like a flame.
Speaker 3: Boys, Pigskins Hot tonight by.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to another edition of the atl Debate Club.
Speaker 3: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined as always
Speaker 3: by a man who's ferrari never met a neighborhood zone
Speaker 3: it didn't want to speed through.
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 5: Are you trying to link me indirectly to Justin Bieber.
Speaker 4: A villified pop star and Mark Sessler one in the same.
Speaker 5: Very few parallels, you know, Mark, We've.
Speaker 3: Been promising a special guest on the Debate Club for
Speaker 3: several weeks and we finally came up with one for
Speaker 3: listeners and it's a special one.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we finally have and I think, well, I
Speaker 5: think we've done a good job here. We have what
Speaker 5: many people consider to be not only the finest Cleveland
Speaker 5: Brown in history, but arguably the greatest football player of
Speaker 5: all time. Jim Brown. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: Well, that's good to be here, guys, that was a
Speaker 3: pretty good intro, right, Yeah, I like it, all right,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 4: So I guess we want to start with what's kind
Speaker 4: of the news with you?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 6: You are now back with the Browns, and.
Speaker 3: At age seventy seven, my question is what prompted you
Speaker 3: to want to be involved?
Speaker 9: Still, Well, I don't look at age like a lot
Speaker 9: of people. You know I'm old, and I don't I
Speaker 9: admit being old, but I don't think old, and my
Speaker 9: kids don't think of me as being old, and I
Speaker 9: hope my wife don't think too much about it. But
Speaker 9: I like to be relevant. I like to be involved.
Speaker 9: I like to make change. And being with the Browns,
Speaker 9: WHI helped me make change, being with the league will
Speaker 9: helped me make change, and I'm very happy about that.
Speaker 9: And with the Browns being my family, I'm back glad
Speaker 9: to be back home. You know, it's it was not
Speaker 9: too comfortable the last three years not being around them.
Speaker 3: If we would have talked to you a year ago
Speaker 3: and told you, hey, you're gonna be with the Browns
Speaker 3: and an advisor of this and again, would you.
Speaker 4: Have said I was crazy?
Speaker 9: No, I wouldn't have looked at it that way, because
Speaker 9: in the Nation Football League things change all the time.
Speaker 9: And I knew that the people that were there were
Speaker 9: not Clevelanders. They really didn't have too much to do
Speaker 9: with Cleveland. They had, you know, Green Bay background and
Speaker 9: Seattle background, and you know, I don't think they had
Speaker 9: the love for Cleveland that I would have someone that
Speaker 9: played there would have. So you know, you kind of
Speaker 9: know there's going to be some kind of a change.
Speaker 5: It's it's interesting to see what's happened with the club
Speaker 5: over the last year. Haslam comes in immediately a very
Speaker 5: engaged owner. I think that what he brought with him
Speaker 5: was an energy from the ownership position that fans just
Speaker 5: hadn't seen in a long time, a lot of dedication.
Speaker 5: He came and he said, I'm going to bring this
Speaker 5: team back to its winning ways. I can see why
Speaker 5: that would attract you to come back with him. Your
Speaker 5: early thoughts on HASLM. One question that I have is
Speaker 5: that there is this stuff bubbling up with the company
Speaker 5: he owns, and the fans just have so much hope
Speaker 5: in what he's shown so far. Should the fans be
Speaker 5: concerned about the lawsuits that are piling up?
Speaker 9: Well, we're always concerned about things, but we take things
Speaker 9: as they come, and we go by instincts and intellect.
Speaker 9: And I am not worried at all about Jimmy Haslam.
Speaker 9: I consider him a friend. I consider him a bright
Speaker 9: human being, a compassionate human being. My wife and I
Speaker 9: love his wife, and I say that, you know, because
Speaker 9: they have been very kind to us and have been
Speaker 9: very respectful of us. So if anyone have to worry
Speaker 9: about controversy, you're looking at it.
Speaker 2: Jim Brown.
Speaker 9: Brings you enough of that, and so life goes on
Speaker 9: and life proves itself. And when we made the announcement,
Speaker 9: he didn't seem to be worried about anything. And if
Speaker 9: he didn't seem to be worried about anything, I'm not
Speaker 9: gonna worry about nothing.
Speaker 2: So hey, that was enough for me.
Speaker 3: You know, you are obviously, as we said up front,
Speaker 3: you know fewd as one of the great players of
Speaker 3: all time. And just from a historical standpoint, if we
Speaker 3: were put together a Mount Rushmore of running backs or fullbacks,
Speaker 3: you would have Jim Brown on there. You would have
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders, Walter Payton. Is there maybe a guy right now,
Speaker 3: like a fourth guy that Mount Rushmore that it's playing
Speaker 3: right now, that you think could be viewed twenty years
Speaker 3: from now as somebody at the level of those names,
Speaker 3: including you, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: A no brainer.
Speaker 9: My friend, my dear friend, Adrian, he has had an
Speaker 9: unbelievable year. Last year he came back from an injury
Speaker 9: that surpassed courage and talent. It was just somewhere up
Speaker 9: there that nobody's been in the history of running backs.
Speaker 9: To show that kind of dedication to rehabilitating himself and
Speaker 9: then having that kind of a year is unprecedented. So
Speaker 9: I'm glad to be able to say that without hesitation,
Speaker 9: because after him, I would not have anyone that I
Speaker 9: would put in that class.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've seen so you've been around, and you've
Speaker 3: seen so many great players, either playing with or watched
Speaker 3: as a football fan. I mean, was what he did
Speaker 3: last year was that kind of stunning to watch? That?
Speaker 4: Was that something even you were like, Wow, how is
Speaker 4: he pulling this off?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 9: Amazing because the type of injury and the way you
Speaker 9: have to depend upon your legs, you can't bypass the
Speaker 9: need of those legs, and to have that kind of
Speaker 9: injury and to take on that type of role, the
Speaker 9: amount of courage that it takes you can't imagine. And
Speaker 9: it's the only thing that I could really talk about
Speaker 9: in this manner that I respect on this degree because
Speaker 9: I know how difficult it is to be injured and
Speaker 9: just to come back and be all right, But to
Speaker 9: be that great and to show that kind of courage, man,
Speaker 9: it's unprecedented.
Speaker 5: I Well, let's talk about back on the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 5: A young running back right there, Trent Richardson, who played
Speaker 5: through a tremendous amount of pain as a rookie last season.
Speaker 5: It seemed to really show quite a bit of courage
Speaker 5: to play through what was a broken rib, leg injuries,
Speaker 5: never really one hundred percent out of the gate. You
Speaker 5: had some tough comments about him. Do you do you
Speaker 5: would you like to take any of those back? I
Speaker 5: know now you guys are relatively close, You've talked a bunch.
Speaker 5: What's your view on him today?
Speaker 2: My view is that I like him.
Speaker 9: He's a tremendous warrior, and he's a real fine running
Speaker 9: back that has a chance to prove his greatness. Unfortunately,
Speaker 9: as you said, he was injured, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 9: et cetera. But the things I said about him were
Speaker 9: not harsh at all. I said he looked like an
Speaker 9: ordinary back. That's not a criticism. That's a launching pad.
Speaker 9: What makes you great before you run the ball as
Speaker 9: a professional player, Heinsman trophies. Winners fail all the time,
Speaker 9: so you never know who's going to make that leap
Speaker 9: in the Pro Bowl and be what they were when
Speaker 9: they were in college. So if you make this prognostication
Speaker 9: about how great someone is before they make that leap,
Speaker 9: it's an unnecessary comment to make. And the great thing
Speaker 9: about the comment is how they receive it. And if
Speaker 9: he'd been mad and angry with me and held it
Speaker 9: as a grudge, then he would have shown something that
Speaker 9: would be weakness in my mind.
Speaker 2: But he brushed that off his back like it was
Speaker 2: a feather.
Speaker 9: He can't think about what I was saying in that sense,
Speaker 9: because he knew he was going to have to play
Speaker 9: up to his game because of what I said, and
Speaker 9: he tried to do that. If it were not for injuries,
Speaker 9: he would have had a tremendous year. But we had
Speaker 9: three or four conversations, and they were beautiful conversations.
Speaker 3: You know, going back to your career, you played nine seasons.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just so fascinated
Speaker 3: that you would step away from the game at market
Speaker 3: and I before.
Speaker 4: You came in.
Speaker 3: We're just looking over your stats and what an amazing
Speaker 3: final season you had. You go into movies, You retire,
Speaker 3: and you go into movies as a fan of sports movies.
Speaker 4: I find it interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm sure when you began as an actor you were
Speaker 3: getting a lot of scripts for movie type projects. Is
Speaker 3: that's safe to assume some degree? Yeah? And you know
Speaker 3: my question to you, and I wonder if you agree,
Speaker 3: is you know, there have been a lot of great
Speaker 3: baseball movies, and you know there've been great basketball movies,
Speaker 3: and there have been some good football movies, but there
Speaker 3: hasn't been maybe a definitive football movie or many.
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you surprised that there aren't more great
Speaker 4: football movies out there?
Speaker 9: Well, any given Sunday was a tremendous.
Speaker 4: That's one of the movies, yes, which which you were
Speaker 4: great in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was in and you know it.
Speaker 9: But you're right, it's like there should be more great
Speaker 9: football movies because it has everything.
Speaker 2: You know that it.
Speaker 9: Has everything that it should have to be able to
Speaker 9: be show greatness. I don't know why there hasn't been,
Speaker 9: but you know, behind the scenes, it's been three or four.
Speaker 9: But like you say, there have been some great baseball movies,
Speaker 9: and that took it to another level. So I'm stumped.
Speaker 9: You finally got me. I don't know why I can't
Speaker 9: give you an answer to that one.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess my other question is were you've been
Speaker 3: out in la for a long time, been acting for decades. Now,
Speaker 3: did you ever think to yourself, maybe I'm the one
Speaker 3: that could put together a great football movie with the
Speaker 3: insight you have.
Speaker 9: No, I wouldn't want to put together a football movie.
Speaker 9: I saw Clinton Tarantino just did a film, Dangle Unchained,
Speaker 9: and I thought it was a brilliant film. And so
Speaker 9: when I look at movies, I look at it across
Speaker 9: the board, and the people that I know in respect
Speaker 9: loved it and the other people.
Speaker 2: Didn't like it.
Speaker 9: And I when that movie was over, I stood up
Speaker 9: in the theater and I laughed.
Speaker 2: I did. I just laughed.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 9: It was like, Holy smoke, this is funny.
Speaker 2: And it was.
Speaker 9: It was laughed of respect for Tarantino to be able
Speaker 9: to say so much in the way that he did it.
Speaker 3: He's audacious, you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, that's a good word. And uh, I just
Speaker 9: loved the film.
Speaker 4: Yeah at Willie be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Danny given sunny. What was it like you had
Speaker 5: some pretty intense sans with Paccino. I mean, you guys
Speaker 5: looked like you really were one as a coach and
Speaker 5: assistant coach. What was it like acting with him?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 9: It was great, you know, Al Pacino is one of
Speaker 9: our great actors of all times. And he's the hell
Speaker 9: of a guy. And he's one of those guys that
Speaker 9: like Sinatra, he likes you, he doesn't like you, so
Speaker 9: he liked me.
Speaker 2: So I was cool. And we got together and played.
Speaker 9: Chess and you know, hung out a little bit, and
Speaker 9: it was a great time.
Speaker 2: Because we had a lot of good people on that movie.
Speaker 9: And Oliver Stone is he's different, you know, you know different,
Speaker 9: He's a different dude. So he must have fired twenty people.
Speaker 9: But al Pacino is a fine actor, and I enjoyed
Speaker 9: working with him tremendously, and I enjoyed it with the
Speaker 9: respect of me not being in his class and but
Speaker 9: accepting the role and playing it to the best of
Speaker 9: my ability without fear of Albercino. But so it was
Speaker 9: that way I looked at it was the way I
Speaker 9: looked at it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that you're with us today is
Speaker 5: because back in March, the NFL agreed to pay out
Speaker 5: forty two millionaires part of a settlement to a group
Speaker 5: of retired players who have challenged the league over basically
Speaker 5: using their names and images without consent. I know that's
Speaker 5: an issue that's important to you. And you're the chairman
Speaker 5: of the board of the Retired Pro Football Players Association
Speaker 5: and you're trying to get former players to sign this settlement.
Speaker 5: Is that correct? Do you want to address that issue?
Speaker 9: Yes, we want all of the players out there to
Speaker 9: understand it. This is a great opportunity for them because
Speaker 9: this will be probably the only chance we will have
Speaker 9: to have players who were not stars be able to
Speaker 9: benefit from something that the National Football League has set up.
Speaker 9: And the fund that has been set up is for
Speaker 9: the benefit of any player and all players, and so
Speaker 9: a lot of our players are suffering now will get help,
Speaker 9: and then we're working towards a health plan that can
Speaker 9: support everything else that's going on in that particular direction.
Speaker 9: But it's so important to have that fund available to
Speaker 9: all players and then to.
Speaker 2: Be able to hire a.
Speaker 9: Firm that can deal with the licensing of our names
Speaker 9: and images and so forth and so on, and to
Speaker 9: have that develop into a major fund. So it would
Speaker 9: be the first time that former players will have anything
Speaker 9: like this to work with. And the great thing about
Speaker 9: it is that the judges has basically guided us down
Speaker 9: this road because they know that anything that would come
Speaker 9: from the standpoint of individual moneies with twenty thousand players,
Speaker 9: and talking about putting enough money up to be able
Speaker 9: to split that among the players would mean that we
Speaker 9: all get one hundred dollars, you know. And but with
Speaker 9: this you have a continual fund, and that fund is
Speaker 9: controlled by our board of former players and nobody else.
Speaker 9: Just seven of us are the board. I'm the chairman
Speaker 9: of the board, and we can set out to deal
Speaker 9: with the most extreme cases of need and.
Speaker 2: Work our way backwards.
Speaker 9: So I think it's a true vend this opportunity, and
Speaker 9: there is no other alternative because if you say, well, Jim,
Speaker 9: we don't want to deal with it, then I say, well,
Speaker 9: I'll just go my way and sue them for my image.
Speaker 9: And I have a real good chance because I'm using
Speaker 9: a whole lot more things than nine to nine percent of.
Speaker 2: The other players. So those of us who are working
Speaker 2: for the good of all.
Speaker 9: Is working at possibly a sacrifice of our own individual wealth.
Speaker 9: But that's okay, because it's time that a lot of
Speaker 9: our players who've never been recognized and who've never looked
Speaker 9: out for have a chance to benefit from the Nation
Speaker 9: Football League.
Speaker 4: Well, Jim, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 4: It really is an honor. And I just want to
Speaker 4: say before you go, Mark.
Speaker 3: Sessler, he hasn't said it, but he is a big
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns fan. Can you tell Mark that the Lombardi
Speaker 3: Trophy is going to get to Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I'll tell you what. You'll see us a
Speaker 2: slow change.
Speaker 9: And at some point within the next five or six years,
Speaker 9: you're gonna see something that's going to really make you.
Speaker 5: Feel good coming from you.
Speaker 2: I'll believe it'll go.
Speaker 9: All right, We're gonna we're gonna put everything we have
Speaker 9: into it, and uh, it's gonna produce.
Speaker 5: It's gonna make one city in this country very happy.
Speaker 4: Yes, Jim Brown, thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 4: All Right, and there he goes Jim Brown not worthy,
Speaker 4: Not worry. That was pretty impressive.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. We've had other guests here before,
Speaker 5: some unimpressive, but other impressive individuals. There was a bit
Speaker 5: of a there was a feeling in the room in
Speaker 5: my own.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's like one of those guys. I
Speaker 3: mean he's one of the players in this league in
Speaker 3: the history of this league that he kind of changes
Speaker 3: the temperature and he walks in the room and that's
Speaker 3: that's you know, you shake his hand and that's Jim Brown.
Speaker 4: So that was that was pretty cool.
Speaker 5: I mean it was it's telling to me that A
Speaker 5: he said right off the bat, I don't think about age, right,
Speaker 5: I want to stay relevant it. You know, two things,
Speaker 5: he's still involved in the team that he calls his
Speaker 5: family and uh, this this effort right at at the
Speaker 5: end in terms of helping retired players.
Speaker 4: Oh what was that? By the way, they want to Just.
Speaker 5: So, there is a website. I guess if you're a
Speaker 5: former player and you're listening to this, if you want
Speaker 5: to sign this settlement, which sounds important, you can go
Speaker 5: to a website. It's www dot Pro Football Retired Players
Speaker 5: Association dot com.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sign it.
Speaker 4: He's at the front of he's the chairman of the
Speaker 4: board for that. So, I mean, this is something he
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be involved with this.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jim Brown is doing pretty well financially, but
Speaker 3: you know, he's decided and that's what he said to us.
Speaker 3: You know, the reason why he hasn't left the Browns.
Speaker 3: He likes being involved. He likes being you.
Speaker 4: Know, plugged in with the players. So, uh, that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was that was pretty cool.
Speaker 5: I like the guy because and I think we we
Speaker 5: knew this about him to some degree going in. He
Speaker 5: doesn't mince words, and we were we had come up
Speaker 5: with some of our questions before him, because we do
Speaker 5: on occasion prepare.
Speaker 4: For this in the bar, as usually in a bar,
Speaker 4: but yes.
Speaker 5: It's the setting. Will we come up with the preparation
Speaker 5: is often questionable, but I think we felt like we
Speaker 5: could ask him anything. It wasn't a guy that you
Speaker 5: have to, you know, tiptoe around. He'll answer any question.
Speaker 4: And now give me an honest answer right now.
Speaker 3: I mean when Jim Brown tells Mark Sessler that what
Speaker 3: was his exact wording, was it in five years or
Speaker 3: something like?
Speaker 5: It says a change is basically change.
Speaker 3: Is happening, yeah, Obama style. But he's saying something very
Speaker 3: special is in store.
Speaker 4: Well you gotta be you gotta stay alive Mark for
Speaker 4: five years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know that's in the cards.
Speaker 4: You know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: It's gonna end up being one of those final destination
Speaker 3: situations where what Jim Brown said is exactly true. However,
Speaker 3: different things are going to start happening to your life
Speaker 3: where you're you know, gonna step and there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a helicopter blade that goes by you, or you know,
Speaker 3: a school bus that comes out of nowhere. So you
Speaker 3: just keep your head on a swivel, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: And nothing comes easy.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about any Given Sunday, and I
Speaker 3: love talking about anything with Jim Brown's Hollywood career because
Speaker 3: it was it's run. I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 3: he's doing much acting anymore, but you know, he went
Speaker 3: from sixty five through the nineties, dozens of movies. Any
Speaker 3: Given Sunday was the movie that the football film.
Speaker 4: That he was in.
Speaker 3: And it is a good movie. I know you really,
Speaker 3: you really liked it right when it came out. You
Speaker 3: went to see it with your dad in the movie there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we you know, the Internet has a very
Speaker 3: very deep memory. The Internet never forgets. And you know,
Speaker 3: we did some research on Mark Sessler and any Given
Speaker 3: Sunday and we came across a chat in Washingtonpost dot
Speaker 3: com and it has that you know, when a story
Speaker 3: is old on the Internet, when the font has that
Speaker 3: very really like times Roman feel to it.
Speaker 5: Oh, it was possibly written on a typewriter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the HDML is very crude. But here we go.
Speaker 4: From New Haven, Connecticut, a young Mark Sessler wrote to
Speaker 4: Oliver Stone, the director, excuse.
Speaker 5: Me incorrect, wrongtown.
Speaker 4: Ridgefield, Connecticut. There he is.
Speaker 3: It doesn't even doesn't even give your name up top,
Speaker 3: although at the bottom of see it does. Let's read
Speaker 3: what a young Mark Sessler, filled with joy and wonder,
Speaker 3: wrote to Oliver Stone once upon a time. Thank you
Speaker 3: Internet for all the great things you do. Oliver Stone.
Speaker 3: Your movies bring inspiring power and force to the medium.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's right off the bat. One reason I have
Speaker 4: started to make my own films exclamation point, still waiting
Speaker 4: for those. How do you approach the editing of your films?
Speaker 3: Comma, the flash cut, Comma, grainy images, Comma et cetera,
Speaker 3: and then parentheticals the shadow figure alone in the stands
Speaker 3: in any given Sunday question, Mark, I would love to
Speaker 3: know what you see in your mind as the story
Speaker 3: develops within. You must have your own screenplay version with
Speaker 3: all the these images included.
Speaker 4: It's a question.
Speaker 3: I guess yours Comma, not yours truly, just yours, Mark Sessler, Oliverstone,
Speaker 3: And you know it's funny he gives. Stone gives a rambling.
Speaker 5: Technical because you know, I know that is number one
Speaker 5: I had. I had like seven cups of coffee before
Speaker 5: I wrote that something's wrong with me.
Speaker 10: They gave seven cups of coffee to a nine year old?
Speaker 5: Well, I was not nine. I'm not as young as
Speaker 5: you think I am. But uh it, I look, I
Speaker 5: seem I seem extremely naive in my in my question.
Speaker 4: It's it's kind of adorable.
Speaker 3: And you know, Jim Brown cracked me up because he
Speaker 3: said that Oliver Stone fired twenty people while shooting of football.
Speaker 5: Well, which doesn't actually surprise me because Stone is a
Speaker 5: total loose cannon and if you want to search it
Speaker 5: out on the internet, his answer is a bit loose
Speaker 5: cannedy to me, I'm not sure what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, if you if if you want to find
Speaker 3: out how Oliverstone answered Mark, you know tester Google skills.
Speaker 4: But listen, let's go back.
Speaker 3: To what Brown told us about his Mount Rushmore. We
Speaker 3: teed him up a little bit. I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson is almost the obvious answer is a guy
Speaker 3: that can join Brown and Walter Payton and Barry Sanders
Speaker 3: on that type.
Speaker 4: That's just my Mount Rushmore. Do you disagree with those three?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to disagree with it. I mean
Speaker 5: I could I wonder if there's a fifth guy you
Speaker 5: could add to that.
Speaker 4: You can't do that on Mount Rushmore. It's four guys.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows that well.
Speaker 5: And I'm you know, it's at some point that we
Speaker 5: put another president on the side of the never.
Speaker 3: You cannot ever mess with Mount Rushmore. I'm very serious
Speaker 3: about this, all matters South Dakota related. I'm very serious.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's fair. It doesn't sound like Trent
Speaker 5: Richardson's getting on that on that mountain then, according to you.
Speaker 5: But I do think that again, he he didn't say,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think we thought he would, But
Speaker 5: he didn't backtrack or anything. He basically said, I stand
Speaker 5: by what I said to everyone else. What he said
Speaker 5: about Richardson's this big hubbub. But he's basically saying, you
Speaker 5: haven't arrived as a rookie before you played a game.
Speaker 3: Well, I have a theory on this, and I guess
Speaker 3: I could have brought it up to him, but it's
Speaker 3: a little it's a little Olverstonian. So I won't do
Speaker 3: it is that when he made that comment, that was
Speaker 3: when he was in the period of falling out with
Speaker 3: the previous ownership.
Speaker 4: I don't think.
Speaker 3: And the reason I brought up his age seventy seven
Speaker 3: is I don't think he thought this time last year
Speaker 3: that he would ever be closely associated or at least
Speaker 3: professionally associated with the Browns ever again.
Speaker 4: So maybe in a Joe Namath type of, you know, tongue, he.
Speaker 3: Said, listen, I don't think this guy's that good, not
Speaker 3: thinking he was going to end up being back in
Speaker 3: the Browns organization.
Speaker 4: Ownership changed over pretty quickly, and.
Speaker 3: HASLM came in and apparently is a really nice relationship
Speaker 3: with Haslim, And now all of a sudden he's in
Speaker 3: a bit of an awkward situation because now he's in
Speaker 3: the organization with Richardson. But at the same time, you're
Speaker 3: Jim Brown, and you don't you don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about what anybody thinks about what you say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if what he says is going to happen,
Speaker 5: if that comes true, h Richardson, Jim Brown has them,
Speaker 5: all of them might be in a better place than
Speaker 5: they are today.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how do we top Jim Brown
Speaker 3: going forward in terms of getting a high profile guest,
Speaker 3: because now that that has to be the ground floor,
Speaker 3: maybe we can get I don't know, the Pope.
Speaker 5: Possibly, Yeah, we'd have to go outside of football circles,
Speaker 5: so that that opens up that the range of possibilities.
Speaker 6: But in the case guys doing right, we've got Wilk,
Speaker 6: who we do.
Speaker 4: Actually, we don't want to say. We don't want to
Speaker 4: tease it too much because it's a lot of pressure
Speaker 4: on Wilk.
Speaker 10: This Jewish kid from North Hollywood has connections with the Vatican,
Speaker 10: so I don't worry about getting the post.
Speaker 4: So you wouldn't think that.
Speaker 3: But that's why Wilk is such an unpredictable talent behind
Speaker 3: the glass.
Speaker 5: I think now when we tell people we got a
Speaker 5: guest coming, it's it's possibly true, and we do have
Speaker 5: someone coming next week.
Speaker 10: It's a believable lie. Now yeah, no, we may have
Speaker 10: someone next week. We're working on something behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Don't let us down on Alex.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, I won't.
Speaker 10: You've already sort of let us down on the same guests.
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna provide reinforcements.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about you're talking in circles.
Speaker 3: Okay, listen that we should probably wrap it up now.
Speaker 3: Mark needs to go sell because the Browns apparently are
Speaker 3: Super Bowl fifty three champions. It's never too early to
Speaker 3: start south. So much hope in the room right now
Speaker 3: and until next week. We'll let Mark go out on
Speaker 3: that note as a champion of the future.