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Speaker 2: You can't think of.

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Speaker 1: One fullback who was better than John.

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Speaker 3: Koh from the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 4: It's around the NFL.

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Speaker 3: I am Dan Hansis I got heroes here, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 3: Mark Sessler, I mean, yes, John Kuhn was a great

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Speaker 3: fullback for the Packers, but the greatest of all time

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Speaker 3: Jim Brown, who passed away late last week. Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 3: you had the old bit up at NFL dot com,

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Speaker 3: and obviously you have your Brown's history and whatnot. So

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Speaker 3: we're gonna get to a bunch of stuff today, including

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Speaker 3: we're gonna do a little running back draft in honor

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Speaker 3: of Jim Brown, the greatest back of all time.

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Speaker 4: But curious your thoughts on the loss of Brown at

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Speaker 4: the age of eighty seven.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I like kind of hold back

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Speaker 5: It's not like the easiest thing for me to do.

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Speaker 5: But it was the one of the few pieces that

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Speaker 5: I wrote. It was you know, these obits are written

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Speaker 5: prior to so that they're ready to go. And I

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Speaker 5: spent like three or four long summer days researching like

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Speaker 5: as deeply as I could like all these various elements

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Speaker 5: to Jim Brown, who you know, it's almost like where

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Speaker 5: do you even begin, because I think he lived three

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Speaker 5: or four completely different lives that all intersected. But it's

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Speaker 5: funny because I heard Gerald McCoy on Good Morning Football

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Speaker 5: talk about the fact that he didn't when he was

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Speaker 5: young he knew Jim Brown is an actor. He didn't,

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Speaker 5: and then his dad had to tell him as a

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Speaker 5: football player of all time who is now an actor,

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Speaker 5: who was also an activist, who also did incredible work

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Speaker 5: for the black athlete in general. And there's just I think,

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Speaker 5: Greg there was a biography that we almost purchased once

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Speaker 5: that he wrote and like his own story, and it

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Speaker 5: is filled with incredible anecdotes. And I mean there were

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Speaker 5: ups and downs with Jim Brown, there's no question about it.

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Speaker 5: But the thing I came away with was just that, like,

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Speaker 5: it's kind of crazy that in sports today, just from

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Speaker 5: the sports angle, that we have better athletes than we've

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Speaker 5: ever had in our lifetime easily, and football players are

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Speaker 5: coming out looking like robots and machines, and it's like,

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Speaker 5: why haven't we had twenty five Jim Brown's at this point,

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Speaker 5: and there's just one. There's literally you'd have to composite

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Speaker 5: other running backs and athletes together to even equal Jim Brown.

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Speaker 5: And I know it's easy if you're younger to look

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Speaker 5: could see him from so many different angles and doing

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Speaker 5: things that completely are improbable from a physical angle, and

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Speaker 5: that no one ever dominated him. He dominated everyone, And

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Speaker 5: it's like he had the complete and utter respect of

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Speaker 5: everyone he ever played against, because there's no like Jim Brown.

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Speaker 1: No player like Jim Brown. I mean, I guess that's

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Speaker 1: but that's how you measure in terms of on the

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Speaker 1: of a life he lived off the field. But with

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Speaker 1: just talking on the field like that, that is how

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Speaker 1: like get in there with Lawrence Taylor, or you can

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Speaker 1: Brown and Jerry Rice are really the two best answers,

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Speaker 1: and Jim Brown, to me, is the better answer because

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Speaker 1: I'm someone that is more about how truly dominant you

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Rice had all of that too, which is

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Speaker 1: why both answers are great. But there hasn't been another

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Speaker 1: And any athlete that's ever tried to make that transition,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was such a big, in some

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Speaker 3: You watch those videos like it is, those old NFL

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Speaker 4: Like he was at that level.

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Speaker 3: He averaged over five yards of carry and set so

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Speaker 3: But he's also the same guy that had domestic violence

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Speaker 3: issues that followed and plagued him and his reputation throughout

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Speaker 3: one of those huge lives that crosses over in so

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Speaker 3: of the Dave Damashek football program. And Mark, I know,

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Speaker 3: because I don't know, I still don't know how it happened. Mark,

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Speaker 3: it was so long ago, is and it was this

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Speaker 5: It was it was like completely surreal because for obvious reasons,

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Speaker 5: easy to find that stuff these days, those old podcasts.

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Speaker 5: But listening to it, like like my voice like literally

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Speaker 3: Gravel, I hear this now, well, I think we're put

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Speaker 5: But you know, the thing about him was that I

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Speaker 5: But he also say no and like in that because

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Speaker 3: Like Jim Brown, sometimes it felt like he wasn't even real.

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Speaker 1: That book I mentioned was, or that Mark mentioned at

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Speaker 1: self centered memoir on the Great Jim Brown, and it

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Speaker 1: related a period in James Tobak's life, who became a director.

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Speaker 1: like early seventies Jim Brown, and because he was one

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Speaker 5: And that dropping that kind of Friday, Yeah, it made

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Speaker 3: We don't need yeah, we don't need to share it

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Speaker 7: It Jimmy Brown as Napoleon Jefferson. Jefferson is any man

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Speaker 7: fighting for recognition against the odds, says Brown. I think

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Speaker 4: All right, the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: You know, before we learned of the sad news about

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Speaker 3: And then about five hours later, this was still before

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Speaker 3: It was a slow news day on Friday because Mitch

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Speaker 3: I have no idea how much money, Gregy that means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to lower his twenty twenty three cap number,

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Speaker 3: I remember his last I don't know if he came

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Speaker 1: Will defend I go ahead, twenty twenty three play. It's

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Speaker 1: It'll be the least popular or mentioned take ever. I

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Speaker 6: I mean I thought he had streaks where because.

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Speaker 4: How many games, how many starts are talking here?

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Speaker 6: Five games?

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Speaker 5: He started, five games, He had some interceptions. He threw

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Speaker 1: He threw some interceptions for sure, but I think just

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Speaker 5: See what you know, what's going on? What's going on?

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Speaker 5: We're getting, We're getting the next iteration of super milk

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Speaker 1: Now, I've always been very anti as as of you.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I could see why, like he's a

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Speaker 1: Right, That's that's an interesting part of it that he was.

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Speaker 1: Out of their great they had, they have him too high.

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Speaker 4: And we'll see.

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Speaker 3: According to Mark, the Steelers with Kenny Pickett will be

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Speaker 5: I believe they will be a playoff team because it's

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Speaker 6: We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 8: I hope he doesn't come like ball out and then

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Speaker 6: Well, he's got a podcast, so you need to This

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Speaker 1: of reality, I might have to check out football and

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Speaker 1: with Ben Roethzpergers, what a pretty deep bench of podcasts.

439
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Speaker 1: I listened to almost no football. I like the audio books.

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Speaker 1: It would be tough for football and to crack in,

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Speaker 1: but I like, I think it's a human reaction. I

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Speaker 1: think about this. A lot of people feel that way.

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Speaker 1: They weren't gonna say Ben who by the way regardless,

444
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame, and he's

445
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Speaker 1: got his own U complicated legacy.

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Speaker 3: To put it mildly, how about this, give it one shot?

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Speaker 3: Give it one shot? Okay, I got the next boweling.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll take the one with Kenny Pickett. That sounds

449
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Speaker 3: at least like okay. I would listen to, although I

450
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Speaker 3: would say it's on the show, right or is he

451
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Speaker 3: just talking?

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Speaker 5: You know what it's I let us know because the

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Speaker 5: way he phrased that, it sounded like he was talking

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Speaker 5: about Kenny Pickett, who wasn't there.

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Speaker 6: But can items I.

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Speaker 1: Think Kenny Pickett's there. Kenny Pickett's there, He's absolutely there.

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Speaker 1: I've confirmed it.

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Speaker 3: As a professional podcaster, I'd love to hear. By the way,

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Speaker 3: first of all, would pickets center In response? As a

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Speaker 3: professional podcaster, I would say, may be a more interesting

461
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Speaker 3: episode is after this went viral? What has been have

462
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Speaker 3: to say the next app? You have two options and

463
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Speaker 3: you might or check out two full episodes.

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Speaker 5: We know a couple podcasts that just went one episode

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Speaker 5: and then they couldn't there was they weren't able to

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Speaker 5: you know, craft a second one so that you can

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Speaker 5: go in that direction. I love what he said because,

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Speaker 5: first of all, like what athlete wouldn't kind of feel

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Speaker 5: that way.

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Speaker 1: I think some would. I think some are secure enough

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Speaker 1: in themselves that they're not really like wanting others. But

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Speaker 1: I think they may not. That might be the minority.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the minority. But you said, who would,

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Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of people that that's probably

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Speaker 1: not in that.

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Speaker 5: I kind of would want my quarterback to not want

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Speaker 5: the next guy coming outshine them.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like that.

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Speaker 3: You hear about this all the time with you know,

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Speaker 3: bands and recording artists. You have your whole life mark

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Speaker 3: to record your first and then what six weeks three

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Speaker 3: months to record your second. Yeah, that's a lot of

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Speaker 3: question too.

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Speaker 4: Basically in other quarter.

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Speaker 1: Get why that analogy applies here?

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Speaker 3: Some mark said it earlier and reference to something else,

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Speaker 3: and I was just adding on to that.

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Speaker 6: That's how this works.

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is another quarterback, an excellent quarterback, an incredible quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He is not under second contract yet, he's still on

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Speaker 3: that rookie deal. It's that time where Cincinnati would hypothetically

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Speaker 3: get a deal done.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals don't have a great.

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Speaker 3: Track record a big spenders and now here they have

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Speaker 3: a transformational quarterback just entering his prime.

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Speaker 4: It is time to pay up.

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Speaker 3: Here is what Burrow said in recent comments talking about

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Speaker 3: his contract situation and also the idea of keeping the

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Speaker 3: Bengals core together of playmakers. Some people, many people believe

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Speaker 3: they're the best wide receiver group in the league. For instance,

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Speaker 3: how do you balance getting paid the way you deserve

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Speaker 3: to be paid with keeping your teammates around you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely. You know, whenever you have guys on

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Speaker 1: the team that need to be paid, that's always on

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Speaker 1: your mind.

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Speaker 8: You want that to be a focal point and so

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Speaker 8: we're working to make that happen.

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Speaker 3: Burrow delivered those comments one day after the Bengals started

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Speaker 3: Phase two.

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Speaker 4: I guess is that a thing Phase two of team workouts.

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Speaker 3: It's OTA's twenty teams kicked off OTAs this week and

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Speaker 3: yes T Higgins is there, Jamar Chase. Keeping those guys together,

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Speaker 3: Greg feels like would be a win win for Burrow

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Speaker 3: and the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: It was really striking doing the projected starters for the

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Speaker 1: AFC North how long this group has been together on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, Like the top five names,

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Speaker 1: which is burrow mixing. You know, Chase, Boyd and Higgins

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Speaker 1: have been the exact same for three straight years on

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Speaker 1: that projected starter series, and then a lot of the

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Speaker 1: defense has been the same too, And that's just so,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Sorry, Ali, you know, if you're out

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Speaker 1: there listing the projected starter series, I was way ahead

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Speaker 1: of time. Now I'm struggling. The Tybee trip did not

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Speaker 1: did not help. We got to talk to Tybe after.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little Yeah, I'm a little behind. So the

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Speaker 1: rest of it is coming. He's only got two teams

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Speaker 1: in the AMC North there are four, but the Bengals

529
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Speaker 1: are are well positioned to be the best team with

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Speaker 1: that sort of continuity, and I like I like that.

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Speaker 5: I would just suggest that you maybe just hit him

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Speaker 5: up on text, because I would.

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Speaker 6: I would gamble.

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Speaker 4: Our digital features editor. I'll even I.

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Speaker 6: Would gamble he's not listening to this episode.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I did. I did send an apologetic slack,

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Speaker 1: But sending two of the four teams is sort of

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Speaker 1: an apology in itself. Uh, You're you're recognizing that you're

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Speaker 1: coming in not really what the the editor is looking for.

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Speaker 3: And to your overall point, looking at the stability of

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Speaker 3: that core that doesn't last. So there is right, there's

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Speaker 3: a technic.

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Speaker 1: Year that was a takeaway like I know some of

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Speaker 1: them will be back, but this is the year.

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Speaker 3: And and Joe Burrow famously said at the end of

546
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Speaker 3: last season, our window is my entire career.

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Speaker 4: Which I love that.

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Speaker 3: I love the swag that Burrow possesses, and to a

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Speaker 3: certain extent, he's right. But this particular team, which is

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Speaker 3: apsolutely championship worthy and nearly did it a couple of

551
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Speaker 3: years ago, just like the Bills, a big storyline in

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Speaker 3: the AFC.

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Speaker 4: I'm not breaking news here.

554
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Speaker 3: The Bills and the Bengals have a major crossroad season

555
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Speaker 3: ahead to get over the hump or else.

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Speaker 5: And I don't really want to hear about, you know,

557
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Speaker 5: Cincinnati being a mom and pop franchise that Joe pez

558
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Speaker 5: is gonna suddenly have to go the quasi Tom Brady

559
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Speaker 5: route where you take way less money than you should

560
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Speaker 5: the big chunks of your shouldn't. Well, he's not married

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Speaker 5: to Giselle, so he can't lean on someone else's fortune.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think fine, yeah, but I mean, like

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Speaker 5: Peyton Manning, like they found a way to give Peyton

565
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Speaker 5: Manning new weapons in waves throughout his entire career. I

566
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Speaker 5: think Brady played with less and like he tried to,

567
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Speaker 5: you know, salvage that with a couple of big signings

568
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Speaker 5: by taking less money. But every one of these quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: are just going to become the highest paid player in

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Speaker 5: the league. I don't there's no way that Burrow does not.

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Speaker 5: How would you justify that if you're his agent, right he?

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Speaker 1: I think you will, and you're right, you can't afford Joe,

573
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Speaker 1: go sell your team for five billion dollars and uh,

574
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Speaker 1: then you have a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: M M. Finally, in the news, the NFL Man, we

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Speaker 3: talk about it every year. At a certain point, we

577
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Speaker 3: should probably just not talk about it anymore because the

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Speaker 3: NFL on side kick alternative once again stalls UH in

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Speaker 3: the Senate.

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Speaker 4: No vote expected at the league spring the.

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Speaker 3: Senate with a lot of commanders, a lot of commanders

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Speaker 3: in Washington, Tom Pelasero.

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Speaker 7: In Washington, d C in the Pentagon.

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Speaker 4: I love that h we played it last week.

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Speaker 3: I just love Thigsman circling back on it and just saying, hey, listen,

586
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Speaker 3: we have new ownership coming in and Snyder and me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they were boys, but Snyder was

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Speaker 3: cool with thisman being a major figurehead. This would not

589
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Speaker 3: be the time to go all Eric Dickerson and just start,

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Speaker 3: you know, taking out the blowtorch and just like saying

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Speaker 3: whatever you want, saying, I'll were inspect this current ownership

592
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Speaker 3: group they want to keep the Commanders. If they say

593
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Speaker 3: they don't want it, I'll be on that radio show

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Speaker 3: again burying the name.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a wise way to handle that, which is

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Speaker 5: not how I've always felt about Joe. Thisman's approach to

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Speaker 5: things that are verbal.

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Speaker 3: Tom Peliser reports the NFL Owner's Table the Eagles proposal

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Speaker 3: to create a fourth and twenty alternative to the on

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Speaker 3: side kick. So it wasn't voted down, but quote further

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Speaker 3: discussion needed.

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Speaker 6: Are they just giggling annually with kind Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Four straight years now and pelsero Caps's tweet the pel

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Speaker 3: Raiser with a long running debate continues. Is it really

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Speaker 3: a debate or is it something that the Eagles just

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Speaker 3: need to take the l.

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Speaker 1: Might be that time it's got some support and I

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Speaker 1: think it like gets like one or two new teams.

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Speaker 3: I want to keep it going Okay, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't really matter. You could also dress a third

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Speaker 3: quarterback again. The other huge news out of the owner's.

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Speaker 5: Meetings well, which is exactly what the Steelers will be

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Speaker 5: doing with Mason Rudolph who was brought back.

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Speaker 1: As well kids at covering base.

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Speaker 3: They still have Mason Rudolph.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't.

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Speaker 5: He didn't get another job and they brought him so

618
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Speaker 5: unhappy with the team last year, I thought he should

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Speaker 5: have been the second he get the number two.

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Speaker 3: No team loves their underperforming, forming former starting quarterbacks more

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Speaker 3: than the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 4: No need to update anything.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: They did not approve the Commander sale, and then we're waiting.

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Speaker 1: We'll update it. Thursday is our our next show. I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling they're gonna make it flex. Scheduling for

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Speaker 1: T and F will get past. I feel like in

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Speaker 1: the next day or two. And with new restrictions they're

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Speaker 1: proposing now that you need twenty eight days notice, so

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Speaker 1: you gotta get up and you can only do it

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Speaker 1: twice in a four week span, so it's really kind

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Speaker 1: of almost a test trial to do it. But I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling that will pass.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's for things too.

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Speaker 1: I still don't like it, though, I still would say

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Speaker 1: nothing is better. But we'll see. Don't need to get

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Speaker 1: ahead of the news. We'll find out.

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Speaker 4: We shall see that you want to add something.

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Speaker 5: Break if it would help, if the fan knew that suddenly, hey,

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Speaker 5: Game X is completely shifting day and time.

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm flying there or I'm not flying.

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Speaker 1: They're giving they're giving him a getting them on us.

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Speaker 6: You know that that feels it's a ding shot.

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Speaker 3: You ever try to book a flight inside a month?

645
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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's a little bit of a it's a challenge.

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Speaker 3: I've got a book a hotel. Are there hotels available

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Speaker 3: inside a month in urban centers?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I depends on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I've literally ever booked a hotel

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Speaker 1: or bought a flight in more than a month. I've

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Speaker 1: exclusively done it last minute, which is a problem that

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Speaker 1: I'm working to address. Hasn't had a lot of progress.

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Speaker 3: That that is a Rosenthal move, And can I just add.

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Speaker 4: One more thing? With me?

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Speaker 3: More and more we are seeing I don't know if

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Speaker 3: this is just it feels that way, but doesn't it

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Speaker 3: feel like in the last let's see, in the ten

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Speaker 3: years of doing the show. NFL stadiums have more road

660
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Speaker 3: fans than ever, like it feels like a traveling to

661
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 3: see you team is there's been an uptick in that

662
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: realm and then other fan bases invading stadiums. It's not

663
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: just happening in LA. So yeah, there's a lot of

664
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Speaker 3: people impacted by a schedule shifting on short notice like that.

665
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: Well you've gotten You've got a vastly larger group of

666
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: fans rooting for terrible teams, and it gets to become

667
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: even if they're doing all right, they'll sell those tickets

668
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 5: on the secondary marker, which is a little tough for

669
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 5: when we were like ten or twelve, you had to

670
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: like stand outside of the stadium and try to get

671
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Speaker 5: someone to buy them.

672
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Speaker 1: And why is all this happening all those ten year

673
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: olds outside of it? You're within a you know, tickets

674
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: for the poor.

675
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: Yet I got the Yankees tickets outside of the stadium

676
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: a few times, did you never?

677
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we did buy by the old, good old days.

678
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: It gets in the front.

679
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: I got to, I got to you're selling selling got

680
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: to anyway, why is all that happening with the schedule shifting?

681
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Follow the money? But you know, that take a break,

682
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.

683
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Speaker 1: Running in Ah.

684
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: Yes, the great iconic Jim Brown Hall of Famer and

685
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: many eyes, although labeled a full back regularly routinely called

686
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: the greatest running back who ever lived.

687
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Half back back in the day, also worked. It sort

688
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: of covered both.

689
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: One of the conversation points in the ATL interview, which

690
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: you could check at the end of the show, is

691
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 3: we brought up very original.

692
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 4: We asked him about running back.

693
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore and at that time, coming off a two

694
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: thousand yard season, he said, there's no brainer. My dear

695
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: friend Adrian should be on that running back Mount Rushmore.

696
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: And that's an interesting take. I wonder if Brown thought

697
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: that ten years on. But Peterson, I think in my

698
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: lifetime I think would have been there.

699
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: Is there, but uh yeah.

700
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Would be on the Mount Rushmore of your lifetime.

701
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it, because Brown's like, here we go.

702
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: I think Barry Sanders ap or all day.

703
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: I would put Tomlinson a lt walk ahead of Peterson,

704
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: but I think he would be my fourth.

705
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: Walter Payton wow lifetime. Well so you're watchable, yeah, since

706
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: early nineties. And do I want to put Emmitt on there?

707
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: I don't know.

708
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: But Emmitt yes, what I mean, not over any of

709
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: those guys though, Barry Peterson l t and for me,

710
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: Marshall Falk is the fourth that I think. That's my

711
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: four buck Oh yeah, okay, I.

712
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: Watched Peyton, but I didn't watch I watched the end

713
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: of his career.

714
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 6: But EMMITTT. Smith absolutely would.

715
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: Be who you're Zach Zenner? Oh yeah, the.

716
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 6: Collectively sort of forgot him.

717
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: Anyway, On the topic of running backs and Jim Brown,

718
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: why don't we do a little fun off seas and Segi.

719
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: Let's do a draft of current running backs. We'll put

720
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: together how about this Eric behind the glass, Let's put

721
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: together groups of four Yeah, and then we'll put it

722
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: to a vote, and who has the best group of

723
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: running backs? And then based on that vote, the winner

724
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: gets to gloat and the person who comes.

725
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: In now, because what, you can't always trust the votes.

726
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: I remember we did some exercise like this recently, and

727
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: I don't I think you one and.

728
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 4: I lost, So you couldn't trust the vote in that case.

729
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Right, I still believe God sounds very reliable actually, Okay,

730
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: So anyway, if I win, for instance, I will gloat.

731
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: If Greg wins, he will not gloat because the vote

732
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: isn't true to what's real?

733
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 4: Is that is that cover both sides?

734
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I might gloat anyways. Okay, good sounds fun.

735
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: Wait that that's we're having funny if we're If we're

736
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: doing that, then we gotta go snake snake drafting, snake

737
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: it up.

738
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna out of respect and Greg if you

739
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: want to disagree, because you're very competitive, just incredibly so.

740
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: I want to say Mark as as the longtime Browns

741
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: fan Jim Brown, Oh, bit right, we can give them

742
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: the first overall picks.

743
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: Sure, let's do it.

744
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: Why don't we go this way? We'll get and this again,

745
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: magnanimous as usual. You could pick second if you want. Yeah,

746
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: and I'll take the third.

747
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: Pick magnanimous as usual, like pointing, take take this away.

748
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

749
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: Some say it's like when you call yourself humble, that

750
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: that has happened recently. I've seen that humble the.

751
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 6: Number three position in this but I'll go number one.

752
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 5: I also, I will say voters aside, like I'm not

753
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 5: just I'm picking the guys that I want on my team,

754
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 5: who I like watching.

755
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: For this season. Yeah, we should. We should put the

756
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: parameters like it's right now, it's this season, it's not

757
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: their career right now.

758
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: Right now, entering September twenty twenty three, that's who we're

759
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: talking about.

760
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 5: This is easy for me. I'm going uh with the

761
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: number one pick, Christian McCaffrey.

762
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 3: Hmm, you gotta from ros when you said, YEA.

763
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely easy and like for me, watching what happened in

764
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 5: a better environment in San Francisco, the way he was

765
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 5: used doubled my fascination with him.

766
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 6: So he's my number one pick.

767
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 3: You get him in that Shanahan offense and Mark's let's

768
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: get a little tickle on the pants.

769
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 6: That's not untrue.

770
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: You look back like that draft he was in. I

771
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: don't know if these guys will come up later, but

772
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: Cook Nixon, like you couldn't go wrong in that draft.

773
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: But McCaffrey, who was that the top one, has ended

774
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: up the best?

775
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: Can I with you?

776
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: I'll just push back some important in this conversation. Yeah,

777
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: the previous two years are compromised by injury.

778
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 4: Just something to keep an eye on.

779
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: UH and UH also throw out there he didn't lose

780
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: a fumble last season.

781
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: So he's trustworthy with the ball in his hands.

782
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 6: I'm not going to say's dude to lose them now,

783
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 6: But well.

784
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Maybe there's some some of that in there too, but

785
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't think so. And he hadn't nearly nineteen hundred

786
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: yards on the season. He had over twelve hundred scrimmage

787
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: yards in eleven games in San Francisco. Now, is his

788
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: body gonna be able to take that type of usage

789
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 3: in another year?

790
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: That would be my concern. But no one is gonna

791
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 4: bang on the cess doog for going.

792
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 6: It's a totally fair concern.

793
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: But I kind of want to just remove that from it, because, like,

794
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 5: if I'm projecting seventeen games, he's the clear best player here.

795
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: Availability it's an important ability.

796
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: It's actually a skill set to have health.

797
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 5: Yes, well I'm I'm also made to be operating on

798
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 5: a twelve game season, so there's a lot less work

799
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 5: to do.

800
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 6: You're out of you know, there's.

801
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: Interesting he got engage this offseason.

802
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: Two to that that young woman, very attractive Olivia something

803
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 3: or other. It's all coming together for Christian McCaffrey. He

804
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: really hit the lottery in life. Greg the second pick,

805
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: Danny A.

806
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: Mondola's out there, just oh colpo right this hell? You

807
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: know the one that got away.

808
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 4: She's great.

809
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: A number two pick is gonna be Bejon Robinson and

810
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: I had some other thoughts, but I want like McCaffrey

811
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: and so the hunh wasn't just the way you prefaced it.

812
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: I thought you were going in a different direction because

813
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: of your your previous fandom. And I'm going bijon though,

814
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: because unlike some of the other possible options, Like I

815
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: just think he's gonna be so dynamic on all three

816
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: downs and like it is a passing league and so

817
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: that is so important to me. I know his numbers

818
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: weren't crazy in the passing game of Texas, but I

819
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: think his skill set is just outrageous. Get the running

820
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: backs while they're young. I'm happy that he hasn't had

821
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: any NFL mileage. I know we haven't seen it and

822
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of risk there, but I don't know.

823
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: I think I don't I don't think it's that big.

824
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: I really don't.

825
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, there is a projection there where just

826
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: we like, let's see what happens with him, But I

827
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 5: think he's he was in my top three, okay, for

828
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 5: similar reasons. I mean, I don't really care what the

829
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 5: talking about in May. But he has talked about the

830
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 5: fact that Arthur Smith, you know, in early OTAs, has

831
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 5: sampled him all over the field, and like you can

832
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 5: just tell Tyler Elgier massive admiration for him as one

833
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: of my guys. I think Beajon Robinson is not unlike

834
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 5: a Jim Brown early career type person where he could

835
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 5: come in and just be ultra dominant and be an

836
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: you know, offensive player of the year conversations right away.

837
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: Right Like he really reminds me more than anyone that's

838
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: come out of Tomlinson and Falk. Both of those guys

839
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: came into the league and were top players immediately. Tomlinson

840
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: led the league and touches as a rookie. Falk I

841
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: think was All Pro as a rookie he had eighteen

842
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: hundred yards or okay, second team All Pro, like and

843
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the type of player Bjohn is going

844
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: to be.

845
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler, I don't like what you're about to do here.

846
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 3: I think I've woken up and I've chosen violence because

847
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: I know you on it, but you're not going to

848
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: get it because I got Nick Chubb with the number

849
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 3: three overall pick. I think, uh, you know, at a

850
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: time where we're talking about Jim Brown. It's it's interesting

851
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: to think that Chubb is I think a little bit underrated.

852
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: I think it definitely is, especially you know, is he

853
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: the Browns have kind of gone down after they were

854
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: on the rise there and and then you had the

855
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson drama and it kind of just buried everything

856
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: around Cleveland.

857
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: So Chubb was just off the radar. But he just

858
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: he's just different.

859
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: Like if we're talking about like Jim Brown was different

860
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: and he was like to me, when Nick Chubb has

861
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: the ball in his hands, and God forbid, he gets

862
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: on an offense that's functional.

863
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: With a high level quarterback.

864
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: Lookout because he set career highs in all major categories

865
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: just about He averaged over five yards carried like you

866
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: know who.

867
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: It never hasn't every season of his career.

868
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy five point six one season, so you know,

869
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: it's seventeen games now, so fifteen hundred yards isn't quite

870
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: what it used to be. But still, even in a

871
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: down year for Cleveland with quarterback issues throughout the year,

872
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: he was an absolute stud. He is my pick at

873
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: number three overall, and I kind of love it. I

874
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: think I would have taken him at number two if

875
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: I had the pick.

876
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: I think it helps him this year. They're not It

877
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 5: sounds like they're not going to resign Kareem Hunt. When

878
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 5: you see him on fantasy lists, I feel like Chubb

879
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 5: is always lower than the actual player and.

880
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 6: What he is to watch visitor.

881
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 5: He does have little remnants of Jim Brown to me

882
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 5: in certain moments, the way he runs, like there's just

883
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 5: something about his violent, aggressive nature.

884
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 3: No gloves. Does he use gloves?

885
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 6: Well, I'd have to check it.

886
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if there's a clearance to that every game.

887
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 5: But also if you go look up like Nick Chubb

888
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 5: in game images, he just looks like a running back

889
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 5: that you'd create an a laboratory. He'd completely changed how

890
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 5: I felt about the Browns for a chunk of time

891
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 5: because of how dom it was. He harks back to

892
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 5: what that team always said it wanted to be in

893
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: that division, and he was the manifestation.

894
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: And yet he's not on your team here it's mine.

895
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 6: Right, Well, I he was my made me. You've made

896
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 6: me upset because I actually.

897
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 5: Thought I always sort of historically thought you were a

898
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 5: little bit lower on Nick Chubb.

899
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 3: No, I love Chubb, So I was lower. I guess

900
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: I'm Mayfield, but Chubb was always that.

901
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 6: Is that's clear, but like, but this was this is

902
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 6: a great pick by you.

903
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: Look I I yeah, that was. It would have been.

904
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 6: I'm annoyed.

905
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: Now Chubb and beejeone would have been my top two.

906
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't really decide, but uh.

907
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 6: Greg runs away with this. If you Chubb, and I'm

908
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 6: saying that.

909
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: The passing game, you know, he's just not quite as

910
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: dynamic in the passing game, and so that's just like

911
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: the tiny knock. But he's the best runner. I would

912
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: have said, if you need five yards and your life

913
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: depended on it, he would be my umber one. Overall.

914
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to address that with my second pick

915
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: as we snake around now and I did. This was

916
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: between two players, but one is more durable and has

917
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: a less kind of injury history in terms of reconstructive

918
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 3: surgeries on the knees and whatnot.

919
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 4: Austin Eckler is my pick. And don't say reach.

920
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: You can't say it because you got to look at

921
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: the production, which is Titanic. I mean, and Saquon Barkley

922
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: obviously is the other guy had in mind here. But

923
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: what Austin Eckler has done just these last two years,

924
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: you understand, even though it didn't work out for him,

925
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: this attempt to get a new contract and even get

926
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 3: moved in a trade. He's a victim of the way

927
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: the NFL and the decision makers view running backs entering

928
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 3: their late twenties.

929
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 4: But he's a locking in.

930
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: If you want a running back that's gonna have one

931
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: hundred catches, he'll give you that one hundred and seven.

932
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: Last year.

933
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 3: He finds the end zone like nobody else in the league.

934
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: I think at this point, I used to think it

935
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: was Alvin Kamara. Now to me, the guy when he

936
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: has the ball and he's hitting inside the five yard line,

937
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: the guy that's gonna get over the goal is Austin Eckler.

938
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: And you see that in terms of his touchdowns.

939
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: What is his number?

940
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 3: He has some absurd number of touchdowns in the last

941
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: two years. Something it's close to forty, I believe. So

942
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 3: he's a dynamic.

943
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Height led the league both both years.

944
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: Thirty eight. And he even started a little slow this

945
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: past season, fantasy heads will tell you, and he's.

946
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 5: The running game was a bit of a mess, and

947
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 5: then he then he started to cook.

948
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: So you if you want to the best all purpose

949
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 3: back in the league and when you factor in everything

950
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: including durability, is probably McCaffrey. But if you want to say,

951
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: well the factor in the durability, I'm gonna say it's Eckler.

952
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: One hundred and seven catches.

953
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 6: It's wild.

954
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how that slipped slipped past me.

955
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess if if part of this is

956
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 5: like you're gonna like hard scrabble a defense by literally

957
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 5: putting four of these runners into the backfield, Like, I

958
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 5: love what you've done because you can do literally anything.

959
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 6: Those two players.

960
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: He's my third down back.

961
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I'm not lucky at them had That's why

962
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: I said reach at first, because just because he hasn't

963
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: had the touch, oh he has the last two years,

964
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: two seventy six in three eleven. I'm not at all

965
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: I'm being a jerk. I'm being the same way the

966
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: Chargers are not giving him that money. I'm being the

967
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: same way the NFL was not drafting him. That you

968
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: see guys that are physically a little more explosive or

969
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: younger in the case of Jon Robinson, uh, and you

970
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: just I lean a little more there. But you're right,

971
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: all right, let's go all my friends are jerks.

972
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 4: You are up.

973
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean I can pick didn't seem fair. Well, this

974
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: is tricky. See, I could make a pick that I

975
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: think would be geared towards winning the vote.

976
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: You're in your head now.

977
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: The voters though they would like Saquan he's frilly, but

978
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm taking Alvin Kamara. Actually, I trust

979
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: him more on a down to down basis that he

980
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: can do everything.

981
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: A factoring in a likely suspension that could wipe out

982
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 3: at the beginning of a season.

983
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: Well that doesn't count based on September, based on.

984
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 5: The Alvin Kamara right now, So it's it's a factor

985
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 5: for the Saints.

986
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm not taking this suspension world. I thought, it's just

987
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: like we're taking who's the best at playing football.

988
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, he's got some court cases to handle. First.

989
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 4: You think we was a black what.

990
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 6: We got from last year from Alvin Kamara was the

991
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 6: best version.

992
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't his best, and so that is a

993
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: little bit of a concern coming into year seven. I

994
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: think just comparing him to some of the other running

995
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: backs that would be available, you could you could you

996
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: could pick little things out of each one of them,

997
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: and to me, I think Kamara's still got one at

998
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: least one last truly great season. And when you just

999
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: look at skill sets of what you want in a

1000
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: running back, power as you mentioned, like shocking power inside

1001
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: the five year yard line when you need it make

1002
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: you miss. I don't think his offensive line has been

1003
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: helping him out lately. The receiving skills. To me, he

1004
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: is almost the perfect back. He could almost be the

1005
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: number one overall back. He's not at a coming off

1006
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: like his best season ever. But I still feel good

1007
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: at the suspension. That's BS. I'm not taking it. Not

1008
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: that is Greg.

1009
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 5: You surprised me with that pick. I don't totally dislike it,

1010
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 5: but I would not have gone there now.

1011
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 3: The real ones out there, they know, the fantasy people

1012
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: that had Alvin Kamara on Christmas Night or Christmas Day

1013
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, when he scored six touchdowns and single handedly

1014
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 3: lifted and myself included thousands and thousands of people to

1015
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: the greatest Christmas gift ever given in a fantasy scenario.

1016
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 3: I will always have a love in respect for Alvin

1017
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 3: from that standpoint. But since since as you picking him

1018
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: means him, I'm sure, but since the end of twenty

1019
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: twenty has he is? He a little bit a little

1020
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: bit less than I mean, if you look at some

1021
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: of the numbers he's come down, it back is he

1022
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 3: has he already played his best football? Like where do

1023
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: the Saints feel about him? When you factor in the

1024
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: off the fields?

1025
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: I would also factor in like their quarterback play, like

1026
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 5: the fact that Jean paton fantasy.

1027
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: Oh, you mean in terms of actual.

1028
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 6: Actual the actual experience of it.

1029
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. And I guess I just look

1030
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: at his career arc and I think he's gonna have

1031
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: one great year still left in him. But you're right.

1032
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: They drafted Kendrick Miller, who's kind of a like fantasy wise,

1033
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: he would not be up this high like Echeler to

1034
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: me was fairly low on my list, like not in

1035
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: the top eight, but for fantasy he might be number one,

1036
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: whereas Kamara, I sort of would flip him.

1037
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: Kamara, Yeah, and it's it's in my head a little

1038
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: bit because he averaged three point seven yards per carat

1039
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 3: twenty one, and last year he recovered a little bit

1040
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: and was better, but he hasn't really performed.

1041
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 4: Like a superstar for a couple of years.

1042
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: But you're saying it still ps in the eye test.

1043
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, Okay, Mark, you're up. You got two

1044
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 3: in a row here, all right.

1045
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 5: I am gonna take Saquon Barkley, okay, as my second

1046
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 5: running back alongside Christian McCaffrey.

1047
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 6: Look at it.

1048
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: I could you could if you if I wanted to,

1049
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 5: Like he's gonna argue against myself, it's possible you get

1050
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 5: both of my first running backs for like seven games

1051
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 5: in a season.

1052
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 6: There is that problem. But I am dismissing that part of.

1053
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: And Greg, I heard you just in tone that you

1054
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 3: think it's over. Mark's gonna win. I believe this competition

1055
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 3: will be made and won in the last two picks.

1056
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 4: Okay.

1057
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 5: I think there's probably some people a little down on

1058
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 5: the Saquon bark five year journey.

1059
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like they're the shine.

1060
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: They're shining names. He's still a little too boom or

1061
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: bus for me. I love what Takon Barkley did last year,

1062
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: but I want more reliability, and I do think he's

1063
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: he's not as reliable as some of these guys.

1064
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 5: I think again, like I said, it's a question about

1065
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 5: will he be there. But the version of the player

1066
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: that we saw last year in Brian Dabolls offense with

1067
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 5: better quarterback play, I mean, final the whole offense finally

1068
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 5: awakened from a four year injury riddled nightmare, and we

1069
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 5: saw the guy that they drafted back in the day.

1070
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 5: And I'm going with the like just going for the

1071
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 5: ceiling if you get that ceiling of McCaffrey, were all regrets.

1072
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: All right, everybody pause, pause this draft, take a break,

1073
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: we'll finish it up.

1074
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 4: All right, welcome back.

1075
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 5: I'm still in the I mean, you know, in the

1076
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 5: war rooms situation. Here, this is, this is There's so

1077
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: many different ways I can go here. We're going vikings

1078
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 5: you here, I'm gonna get I think I'm gonna lose

1079
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: points here because I think people believe that this player

1080
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 5: is close to the end. But I absolutely love watching him,

1081
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 5: and I think people could I know, when they put

1082
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 5: this out on social they're not going to say, like,

1083
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 5: here's how Mark drafted. It just gonna be like, we

1084
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 5: don't we think this guy's beyond the pale. But Derick Henry,

1085
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 5: that's my dude.

1086
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 6: Like, I mean, I just.

1087
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 5: Love He's one of the reasons that I absolutely adored

1088
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 5: watching the Titans, adored watching their offense pairing him with

1089
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 5: Ryan Tannehill. I mean, this year in that offense, we'll see.

1090
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 5: But the player itself, Derrick Henry, we met him in person.

1091
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: I thought him to be a very likable, impressive in

1092
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 5: both his personality and yes, because it's like you're gonna

1093
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 5: be working with this player a day after day. So

1094
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 5: Dereck Henry is my pick, okay, And I don't really

1095
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 5: care what anyone Yeah.

1096
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: I mean that we don't really have to say anything.

1097
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: But he you know, there is a reality where the

1098
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: Titans are a bottom feeder in the AFC, or he.

1099
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 6: Gets traded somewhere and has one more five.

1100
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: He's incredible and there's no one like him. But he's

1101
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: a little why I'm not as big on Saquon either,

1102
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: although I have regrets because I think I might have

1103
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: I might have let my Alvin Kamara love you could

1104
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: have gotten him in the third or even fourth affect

1105
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: me too much. I could have gotten Saquon. There's maybe

1106
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: a little a little more explosive right now. But the

1107
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: reason I don't love Saquon or Henry is I'm not like,

1108
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: I love Henry, but it's like one one, one, one, three, seven,

1109
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: twenty one or whatever, and it's like, I don't like

1110
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: all those one.

1111
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 4: The old Barry Sanders logic.

1112
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: A lot of ones, I mean at this stage of

1113
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: his career. Yeah, that said, there's literally.

1114
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 6: Player were a lot of things that weren't ones from

1115
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 6: Derrick Henry.

1116
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. But it's like a slow build

1117
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: and then then suddenly that he runs through seven people.

1118
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 4: Does he have That's a great point, mar I would

1119
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 4: you know?

1120
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: I would, I would ask does he have the same

1121
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: burst that he had a couple of years ago before

1122
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 3: the foot injury. I don't know.

1123
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 5: I mean I think I think when like I said,

1124
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 5: still the same player, when they look at my list,

1125
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: I think there'll be people that'll they'll think that Derrick

1126
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 5: Henry was drafted by someone that didn't maybe watch Derrick

1127
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 5: Henry play.

1128
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got a lot of star wattage here, right, Yeah?

1129
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: And that not well your team leaving him. I think

1130
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: your team's looking good. It's kind of under the raidar.

1131
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: He had the second highest yards from scrimmage of his

1132
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: career last year, was a better receiver, led the league

1133
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: and carries again three out of four years. So that's

1134
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: a concern that he might break down. But it's not

1135
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: like he wasn't productive. He had nineteen hundred yards from

1136
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: scrimmage last year. That's crazy.

1137
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: I think it's a solid pick.

1138
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: Mark, I did too.

1139
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: Are you okay with the input and the analysis if

1140
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: it like leans positive toward you?

1141
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 6: No, I definitely am yeah when it does that.

1142
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Greg, you have to somehow salage this.

1143
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: See it gets a little you're.

1144
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: Kind of a yeah, you're in the weeds right now.

1145
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm not You guys are acting like Alvin kamaras some

1146
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: sort of bum. I'm taking Jonathan Taylor. I want a

1147
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: big playmaker on the ground here. Let's go.

1148
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 3: Oh man, what just spinning, dude?

1149
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: No, I'm happy with that.

1150
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 3: He Yes, he's coming off one of the more disappointing

1151
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: follow up years to a truly great breakout year that

1152
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: anyone could remember.

1153
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 4: But I'll go give you some pop on this one.

1154
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 3: GREGI like, if if the line is better, if your

1155
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: quarterback Richardson is out of the box, a player.

1156
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: Could tailor regain his form. I think he's like twenty five.

1157
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: He's twenty four years old. He had twenty one hundred

1158
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: yards and twenty touchdowns just two seasons ago. His production

1159
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: last year was about the fact that he missed games

1160
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: primarily and that his team stunk and he wasn't popping

1161
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: quite as much early. I think he got better as

1162
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: the season went along. He's a good receiver. He's not

1163
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: a great receiver. But in terms of a ceiling here,

1164
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I'll take whatever his odds are to lead the league

1165
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: and rushing this year, because I know they'll be somewhat long,

1166
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: and to me, he's got a pretty decent chance to

1167
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: lead the league.

1168
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 6: I like it.

1169
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 5: He probably would have been my next pick too. And

1170
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 5: I think last year's Colts made it easy to forget

1171
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 5: about anything any of them had done the year prior.

1172
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it was just such a chaotic soup of

1173
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 5: terrible play and the line crumbled. It was a year

1174
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 5: ago we all thought they might be like an AFC

1175
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 5: title game contender, and I think back now with Shane Steichen,

1176
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: if he is what we think he can be as

1177
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 5: a coach. Anthony Richardson like, there's so this is a

1178
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 5: completely different offense and a better, better line play, and

1179
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor is There's no question about the fact that

1180
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 5: like his career is ahead of him.

1181
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: It's a solid pitch, but my offensive line is awesome.

1182
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: He'moving them from you know, consideration, people around them.

1183
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 5: People when they see these lists are not gonna understand

1184
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 5: what's happening.

1185
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: You kind of have to think how people.

1186
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the people. The people. I dare

1187
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: you to vote for me. No one's voting for this team.

1188
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: Screw you off.

1189
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 5: Well, you're you're attempting to run psychological truth.

1190
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: I think this is a classic spin out. It's a

1191
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: classic spinout scenario going it's a car crash. I have

1192
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 3: a I'm in a tough spot here because I'm kind

1193
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: of caught between because we had speaking of people I

1194
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: personally enjoy I liked having Aaron Jones on the Super

1195
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: Bowl Week podcast. Yeah, I like him as a player.

1196
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 3: He does have versatility.

1197
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: M hm.

1198
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: First guy to be discussed at length, but maybe not

1199
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: being picked. You have two picks, by the way.

1200
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: I do, and uh, you know, and then there's Josh

1201
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 3: Jacobs and Josh Jacobs is the rushing champ and that

1202
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: means something right, Hell yeah, I'd think so.

1203
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 6: Tangible proof of ability.

1204
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: He was really good last year too.

1205
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 6: Two years in a row is probably the question for

1206
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 6: most everyone.

1207
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 4: Like he was every bit as good as his numbers were.

1208
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 5: You know, that's why that thinking ahead front office declined

1209
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 5: his fifth year option before the season.

1210
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 6: They knew what was coming.

1211
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: But if either are the only two year debating, just

1212
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: picked the two.

1213
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not that simple, Gergy, but I will

1214
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 3: go ahead and pull the trigger on Josh Jacobs.

1215
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: He sounded more excited.

1216
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: I'm that excited just because you know, there's a reason

1217
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 3: also why the Raiders declined the option and he didn't.

1218
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 3: Even though he's a first round pick, he wasn't really

1219
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 3: shaping up as a special player, but he was absolutely dynamic.

1220
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 3: I almost wish everybody's talking about now that DeVonta Adams

1221
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: spoke out against the offense a little bit, maybe he'll

1222
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: be moved. That seems like a non starter because of

1223
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: the the dead money involved and what a mess that

1224
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: would be for the Raiders.

1225
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: After the fact, Josh Jacobs.

1226
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 3: Being used in getting three hundred and forty more carries

1227
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: on this Raiders team, does that excite me?

1228
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 4: Not totally. But his play was so good. He had

1229
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: so many.

1230
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: Huge runs, game winning runs, walk off touchdowns. He was

1231
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: everything you want out of a featured back, three down banger,

1232
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: and that's why even gave him something out in the

1233
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: receiving game. Fifty three catches, four hundred yards. I will

1234
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: give josh Jack Jacobs my pick with number three and

1235
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: number four. Yeah, I could now, I mean logically that

1236
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: makes sense that I would then just pivot to Aaron Jones.

1237
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: But I won't because I want to have a little

1238
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 3: wild card in here too. And that's why Breese Hall,

1239
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to do. It is my

1240
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: final pick, and it's a total homer pick. But I

1241
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: want you to go before the knee injury. Check that

1242
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 3: game tape of those final weeks before the injury. You

1243
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 3: will not find a more electric running back in football.

1244
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: He As much as Zach Wilson's failures last year and

1245
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 3: the offensive line injuries, his absence is really what ruined

1246
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 3: their season because he was just about to take over.

1247
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: He would have been Rookie of the Year, not his

1248
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: teammate Garrett Wilson. And there's a projection here coming off

1249
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 3: in ACL and we'll see his availability and all that,

1250
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: but I am willing to roll the dice and put

1251
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 3: my faith in modern medicine to Breece Hall, absolutely explosive

1252
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: and exciting. And that's where you go with your fourth pick.

1253
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 5: You've now snatched away two players that I wanted because of.

1254
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 6: Healthing better than doing it. And I'm with you with

1255
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 6: Brece Hall.

1256
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: It's always good to hurt your friends.

1257
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 6: Also, I think it's a good team planning.

1258
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 5: You've got a You've got a young young player who

1259
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 5: will be around for years years, and that you know,

1260
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 5: on a on a four running back.

1261
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: Football team, thank you, with no other position.

1262
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: I have a I have a banger in Jacobs and

1263
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 4: who he does?

1264
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: They just played each other, so who's playing defense? I

1265
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: guess they got to play defense too. My team has

1266
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: some two waivers.

1267
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 6: We have not that out.

1268
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I'm just saying that there are four

1269
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: running backs just roving the countryside looking for competition.

1270
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: Basically, all right, Greg, close out your nuclear disasso.

1271
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: I really was spinning out because, like I kind of

1272
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: wish I took Jacob's because no one was going to

1273
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: take Taylor anyways. I don't think or you weren't, you could.

1274
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 6: Get James Connor here.

1275
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: Greg, Wait, just I don't know if this will make

1276
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 3: Craig feel better worse. But I wouldn't have taken Kamara

1277
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: or Jonathan Taylor period. Would you have taken either of them?

1278
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 6: I would have gone Jonathan Taylor.

1279
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about it. Available to strategy. I

1280
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: have inside information. I've done some reporting sources close to

1281
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 1: Mark's computer, which I can see that's not.

1282
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 4: Some say on tour. But also that's gamesmanship.

1283
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: Cheating would be another way to look at it. He

1284
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: has this. First of all, I think he was blowing

1285
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: smoke up you with the bree saw. He was a

1286
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: little lower on his list. Second, blowing smoke up me.

1287
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh.

1288
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh, my bad bad reporting you are?

1289
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 6: You're gonna spot screen right.

1290
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 4: I think it's accurate.

1291
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: To make it for good podcasting. My point of this

1292
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: whole preamble was to be uh, Mark and I had

1293
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: the exact same names uh next anyways, which was Ramondre

1294
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: Stevenson and Aaron Jones, And I hadn't decided which of

1295
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: those two I wanted to take in my mind yet,

1296
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: but we had the same next two up. But I'm

1297
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna take Aaron Jones. He was an affable guy, and

1298
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: I do think back maybe we'll get to Tybee here.

1299
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: I do think back to Wes's impressions of Aaron Jones

1300
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: that he just thought he was such a natural, explosive runner.

1301
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: And again, Ramandre is gonna be a better fantasy pick.

1302
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: Ormandre's an amazing player. I like them both a lot,

1303
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: but just in terms of the the quality that Aaron

1304
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Jones has put out year after year after year after year,

1305
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: that's actually what makes a great running back. And we

1306
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: know he's not wearing down. I don't think he's gotten

1307
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: worse at all, and he's kept fresh because of the

1308
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: way that they've used him. He is the modern back that,

1309
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: like the defense does not know what they're gonna do

1310
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: on a certain play, and he can do anything. So

1311
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: if I was billing team, I truly would take Jones

1312
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: over Remandra, even though I love them both.

1313
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 3: And there's the other Aaron's gone in Green Bay that

1314
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 3: gives me a little bit of pause about how that

1315
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: could negatively impact their running game, and and.

1316
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't get to worry about that on my team, right.

1317
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 3: I guess we look at it from different perspectives obviously,

1318
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: but that to me matters in terms of what kind

1319
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: of production you'll have this year. But it's a good pick.

1320
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: We're just out there. I'm like, I'm like Mark Malone,

1321
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: the Nuggets coach. Nobody believed in us, no one's talking

1322
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: about us. We're gonna roam the countryside.

1323
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: He's gonna win the champions. You are not winning anything.

1324
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna leave here.

1325
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 5: And completely forget that we created this list. This is

1326
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 5: gonna be a Greg internal think piece for like the

1327
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 5: next twenty four plus hours, because I can tell you're

1328
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 5: you're affected by what's but Jones.

1329
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: You did. You landed the plane with just a touch

1330
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 3: of dignity here. That's fine, that's good.

1331
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: The only thing I made a mistake strategy. I wasn't

1332
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: really thinking what you guys were gonna do.

1333
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 5: You know, I look at your list, Greg, and I

1334
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 5: there's you know, it's got its qualities.

1335
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 6: I just don't even know who your like number one

1336
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 6: guy is, to be honest.

1337
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: The guy I took, and it was gonna take first

1338
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: overall bees on freaking Robinson.

1339
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 5: That's fine, but I mean, you would have taken Kyle

1340
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 5: Pitts if we did a tight end or Vietnam and.

1341
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't never know Sally you had him in your

1342
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: top three.

1343
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: Just never know how it's gonna go it's all you know,

1344
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: all right, close it out more?

1345
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: All right.

1346
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 5: I do find this to be kind of a soup

1347
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 5: down here because part.

1348
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 4: Of me, you're in a tricky spot.

1349
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 5: Well, I mean it's you know, I can't really lose

1350
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 5: this yere. But like Travis Eutn is very interesting to me,

1351
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: Tony Pollard, Kenneth Walker. Uh, but I mean I am

1352
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 5: gonna go Remandre Stevenson. We keep dipping into like what

1353
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 5: he's gonna look like in that offense in New England.

1354
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 6: But I don't think that surprising.

1355
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: No.

1356
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 6: I love watching him last year.

1357
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 5: And I think he's he has a chance to be

1358
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 5: like yardage wise top five, top four.

1359
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a you can make a pretty good

1360
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: argument Rimandre Stevenson was a better running back than Breeze

1361
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Hall last year when they were both on the field.

1362
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: He can do everything. He can make make you miss.

1363
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: Maybe he can't break the huge plays at Breeze Hawkins.

1364
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that, but in terms of making people,

1365
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot of Josh Jacobs. Actually, I

1366
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: think he's a very s They.

1367
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: Let Damien Harris go he did. Yeah, that's also a

1368
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: benefit to this but there's the Patriots are kind of

1369
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: an annoying team and the running backs that he's ready

1370
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 3: to eat maybe and get get to touch what he had.

1371
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: He had two hundred and seventy eighty.

1372
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: Yards last year from scrimmage, seventy almost seventy catches.

1373
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: What are the big guys getting, like the real dogs,

1374
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 3: like not Derek Henry level, but like what do you

1375
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: want from touches plus three hundred?

1376
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 4: Is that what we're talking about?

1377
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely? He was at two seventy nine. Yeah, three three,

1378
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: let's maybe gets an up tick.

1379
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so all right, some guys that didn't get picked

1380
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 3: before we sign off here, I want.

1381
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 4: To hear about.

1382
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 3: I really like Travest, like gravytns. That's a tough omission.

1383
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: Like if you were going to build a fifteen that

1384
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 3: was off our o mits etn would be there.

1385
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be on mine. But Pollard Pollard next game there,

1386
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I think off the injury Dalvin Cook, who's still.

1387
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: Viking, But I don't know about Cook anymore.

1388
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 6: I would not have Cook. I think Cook is Miles Sanders.

1389
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: I think Cook's cooks wait and see mix in. I

1390
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: feel like is cooked? Dalvin Cook played pretty well? Uh

1391
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he would make sense for this exercise,

1392
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: but I think JK. Dobbins, now another year removed from

1393
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: that injury, is ready to emerge. So him and Kenneth

1394
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: Walker would have been on my long list.

1395
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: I gotta, I gotta throw it out there, Mark, just

1396
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 3: because it was a big to do on our show.

1397
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Algier.

1398
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 5: You know, if you don't have Jon Robinson, Tyler Algier

1399
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 5: could have had massive yardage.

1400
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: But this is kind of a time where he might

1401
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 3: he could have.

1402
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 4: Used Tyler algaere algae a little life. He's officially, uh,

1403
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 4: your guy.

1404
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 3: I've just thrown him at one of those booy things.

1405
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: What is it the what is it the life?

1406
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 6: This wasn't that circular one.

1407
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 5: This was the like DiCaprio and a piece of wood

1408
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 5: that floats down into the sea. Unfortunately, because he's not

1409
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 5: I didn't I didn't want to pinpoint, not pinpoint Tyler Child.

1410
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 6: But he's not in my top four in this thing.

1411
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't on my long one. I really good

1412
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: player that we have. You know, we only got through

1413
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: top twelve in the league. If we did top twenty,

1414
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: is he on there?

1415
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 5: Maybe I still believe that Damian fierce a year from

1416
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 5: now will be in this size.

1417
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: What is this? Dan is making an arm motion? Are

1418
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: we taping this for YouTube? It's time Eric bed the glass.

1419
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: I got my Oxford blue on that smoothed it out.

1420
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: So if for the YouTube viewers, you should check us

1421
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: out around the NFL podcast subscribed Absolutely, what were what

1422
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: was that motion?

1423
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 4: You were right?

1424
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 6: Keeps telling people what to do.

1425
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean it every time he mentions it. We never

1426
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: did it coming.

1427
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 4: From I was It's like it's a TC top from

1428
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 4: TC Tuggers.

1429
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I should have picked that.

1430
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 4: Happy birthday to Link Westling three years old.

1431
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 3: And and I texted Lakeisha today that three that's where

1432
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: it really starts to get fun. Yeah, and they're in

1433
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: Saint Louis now, so it would be great to see him.

1434
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 4: But he's happy. Lakeisha's happy.

1435
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: Greg.

1436
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 4: You know that because you were in Tybee this past weekend.

1437
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lincoln was the star of the weekend. I mean

1438
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: it was amazing to spend the time with Colleen. Came

1439
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: and and Keisha was down there and seeing all of

1440
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: our friends in Tybee. But I really will remember it

1441
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: as a trip. I got to know Link better because

1442
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: I think you're right. Three you're coming into your own

1443
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: and oh, yeah, he's a good hang. Like he he

1444
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: is a good hang. He was there like his dad

1445
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: would have been at every event, every you know, we

1446
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: go on the boat, he's driving the boat, we go

1447
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: to the bar. He's having a good time coming out site,

1448
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, bringing all of Wes's friends out with him

1449
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: to go jump on the speed.

1450
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 4: But of course there's a three year old at the bar.

1451
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: No one's question actually was told at one point because

1452
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: he was sitting up at a bar and this was

1453
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: a different place, and of course it was like one

1454
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: of Wes's friends own this restaurant. Was like, yeah, he

1455
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: can't sit up there, but he can sit at one

1456
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: of the tables.

1457
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,840
Speaker 4: It was okay, okay, you gotta have limits.

1458
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: You gotta restrictions.

1459
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: And he's sort of I mean, I've been around a

1460
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: lot of kids to beare minimum. I love my kids,

1461
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: but sometimes other kids I don't engage as much with,

1462
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: especially when they're younger. But he truly is like a

1463
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: fun hanging. One thing I noticed and it really it

1464
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: touched me and Keisha too, like he like was really

1465
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: all about Wes's boys. The girls not so much, you know,

1466
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: poor COLLEENI didn't get as much attention, but I think

1467
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: he just like liked hanging out in time with the

1468
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: guys and like he was he was happier to see

1469
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: me than my my kids are happy to see me.

1470
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: And he was like that with a lot of uh,

1471
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: Chris's closest friends, Wayne and Jim and like everyone sort

1472
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: of had their Link moments because he would just grab

1473
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: your hand and go kind of take you off and

1474
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: you would do things with Link and it really it

1475
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: was beautiful. It felt like like Chris was there and

1476
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: then and he was there through Link and going down there,

1477
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: you just feel a lot, you know, you guys had

1478
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: that experience. You feel everything. You feel happy, you feel

1479
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: like Wes should be there, you feel sad. It's just

1480
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: like everything together.

1481
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 5: We like when you call him a good hang a

1482
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 5: good hangout. I mean, and you mentioned West, but Lakeisha

1483
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 5: is very high on that power rank too, has been, so.

1484
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 4: Let's rank him.

1485
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 5: The combined DNA is powerful. I did notice there were

1486
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 5: some nice shots of you guys riding in a car together,

1487
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 5: you and Link.

1488
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: He was driving the golf car.

1489
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Keisha, maybe we should put you know,

1490
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 3: some guardrails on this he was.

1491
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 6: Skinny dipping at one point and you were about four

1492
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 6: inches from.

1493
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 3: His Yeah, breaking news. We have another topless Greg shot

1494
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 3: that that is now oh no surface, not that we'll

1495
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 3: share it, gregy, but just people should know because it

1496
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: came up recently that there was a topless beach shot

1497
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 3: of Greg, which I don't really remember.

1498
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 5: It was scrub kind of remember, got on the radar

1499
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 5: of multiple NFL employees because I think, so, what is this.

1500
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 4: And this is for?

1501
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 3: This is for you know, maybe some fans out there

1502
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 3: that just want to picture it. It's Greg topless in

1503
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: a jacuzzi and that's a little extra special.

1504
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: And link also naked, so actually he's his crop that

1505
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: album naked. It helps prevent it from getting out. We

1506
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: don't need that. Yeah, we were having fun. We got

1507
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: after it too, I mean we had fun. You're right

1508
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: about Keish that I think that gets lost. Maybe our

1509
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 1: listeners don't even know that. Like Keish is one of

1510
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: my best friends. Is one of all of our best

1511
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: friends too, like in that and that it's not because

1512
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: of Wes, It's just they were a combination. They were

1513
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: a powerhouse that was combined together, and so it was

1514
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:33,879
Speaker 1: it was a it was a blast.

1515
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 3: That's why we were so excited way back in the

1516
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 3: day when Wes and Lakeisha got together, because Lakeisha had

1517
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: established herself as a powerhouse in the newsroom and and

1518
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: a fun hang and it was like, oh, that makes

1519
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 3: way more sense than these others randoms that Chris is

1520
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: dating right now.

1521
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean we were rooting for it and

1522
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 5: it was the ideal love story.

1523
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy because it was their anniversary weekend

1524
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 1: two and it was the same weekend I went there

1525
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: five years ago, and so it is it's there is

1526
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 1: a heaviness too, It's it's not the same without West

1527
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: being there. But we felt like like being there and

1528
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: having fun with all his friends. I love his friends,

1529
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: and everyone popped up, you know. During the weeknd. Jason,

1530
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: who was as efficient, who lived nearby no longer in Tybe,

1531
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: came by for a little bit and we saw Wayne

1532
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: and Rosie a lot and everyone and and but it

1533
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: was five years ago. That it's crazy. I've been there

1534
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: four times in five years. Once was to celebrate West

1535
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: getting over cancer. Once was the wedding, Once was celebrating

1536
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: his life after he died, and then this was this

1537
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: was the fourth and it's just it's insane what's happened

1538
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: over those five years. But we we appreciate all the

1539
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: people that have been along for the ride.

1540
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 4: And this is this podcast is.

1541
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's about family, and it's about the

1542
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 3: connections that we have on the show and we built

1543
01:10:56,439 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 3: through the years, and and so having Lakeisha in our

1544
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 3: lives and having link in our lives it matters. And

1545
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 3: listeners know that the people that are important to the

1546
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: show matter. But that's nice, that's very nice. And Lakeisha

1547
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 3: is coming out again to La and we're gonna get

1548
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: to hang out with her. Got a little event set

1549
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 3: up next week and she'll be there as well.

1550
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: So oh that's next week. Oh yeah, this off season

1551
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: is going quickly.

1552
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: All right.

1553
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 4: That's it. Thank you everybody behind the glass for your patience.

1554
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 4: A lot of yammering other stuff.

1555
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: We'll be back Thursday, perhaps with a very special guest.

1556
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 3: Until then, as Chris said, heed the call hands us

1557
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: and mister fancy fans, the Flames need NFL news.

1558
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 5: Here's the chance it's at aroundly like a flame.

1559
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:15,639
Speaker 3: Boys, Pigskins Hot tonight by.

1560
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 4: Welcome back to another edition of the atl Debate Club.

1561
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 3: My name is Dan Hansis, and I'm joined as always

1562
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: by a man who's ferrari never met a neighborhood zone

1563
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 3: it didn't want to speed through.

1564
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler?

1565
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 9: Uh?

1566
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,480
Speaker 5: Are you trying to link me indirectly to Justin Bieber.

1567
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 4: A villified pop star and Mark Sessler one in the same.

1568
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 5: Very few parallels, you know, Mark, We've.

1569
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 3: Been promising a special guest on the Debate Club for

1570
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 3: several weeks and we finally came up with one for

1571
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 3: listeners and it's a special one.

1572
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we finally have and I think, well, I

1573
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 5: think we've done a good job here. We have what

1574
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 5: many people consider to be not only the finest Cleveland

1575
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 5: Brown in history, but arguably the greatest football player of

1576
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 5: all time. Jim Brown. Thank you for joining us.

1577
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: Well, that's good to be here, guys, that was a

1578
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 3: pretty good intro, right, Yeah, I like it, all right,

1579
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:11,759
Speaker 3: all right.

1580
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 4: So I guess we want to start with what's kind

1581
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 4: of the news with you?

1582
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 3: Right now?

1583
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,879
Speaker 6: You are now back with the Browns, and.

1584
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: At age seventy seven, my question is what prompted you

1585
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: to want to be involved?

1586
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 9: Still, Well, I don't look at age like a lot

1587
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 9: of people. You know I'm old, and I don't I

1588
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 9: admit being old, but I don't think old, and my

1589
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 9: kids don't think of me as being old, and I

1590
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 9: hope my wife don't think too much about it. But

1591
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 9: I like to be relevant. I like to be involved.

1592
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 9: I like to make change. And being with the Browns,

1593
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 9: WHI helped me make change, being with the league will

1594
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 9: helped me make change, and I'm very happy about that.

1595
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 9: And with the Browns being my family, I'm back glad

1596
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 9: to be back home. You know, it's it was not

1597
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 9: too comfortable the last three years not being around them.

1598
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 3: If we would have talked to you a year ago

1599
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 3: and told you, hey, you're gonna be with the Browns

1600
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 3: and an advisor of this and again, would you.

1601
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 4: Have said I was crazy?

1602
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,959
Speaker 9: No, I wouldn't have looked at it that way, because

1603
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 9: in the Nation Football League things change all the time.

1604
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 9: And I knew that the people that were there were

1605
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 9: not Clevelanders. They really didn't have too much to do

1606
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 9: with Cleveland. They had, you know, Green Bay background and

1607
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 9: Seattle background, and you know, I don't think they had

1608
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 9: the love for Cleveland that I would have someone that

1609
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 9: played there would have. So you know, you kind of

1610
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 9: know there's going to be some kind of a change.

1611
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 5: It's it's interesting to see what's happened with the club

1612
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 5: over the last year. Haslam comes in immediately a very

1613
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 5: engaged owner. I think that what he brought with him

1614
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 5: was an energy from the ownership position that fans just

1615
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 5: hadn't seen in a long time, a lot of dedication.

1616
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 5: He came and he said, I'm going to bring this

1617
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 5: team back to its winning ways. I can see why

1618
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 5: that would attract you to come back with him. Your

1619
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 5: early thoughts on HASLM. One question that I have is

1620
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 5: that there is this stuff bubbling up with the company

1621
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 5: he owns, and the fans just have so much hope

1622
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 5: in what he's shown so far. Should the fans be

1623
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 5: concerned about the lawsuits that are piling up?

1624
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 9: Well, we're always concerned about things, but we take things

1625
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 9: as they come, and we go by instincts and intellect.

1626
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 9: And I am not worried at all about Jimmy Haslam.

1627
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 9: I consider him a friend. I consider him a bright

1628
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 9: human being, a compassionate human being. My wife and I

1629
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 9: love his wife, and I say that, you know, because

1630
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 9: they have been very kind to us and have been

1631
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 9: very respectful of us. So if anyone have to worry

1632
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 9: about controversy, you're looking at it.

1633
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,480
Speaker 2: Jim Brown.

1634
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 9: Brings you enough of that, and so life goes on

1635
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 9: and life proves itself. And when we made the announcement,

1636
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 9: he didn't seem to be worried about anything. And if

1637
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 9: he didn't seem to be worried about anything, I'm not

1638
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 9: gonna worry about nothing.

1639
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: So hey, that was enough for me.

1640
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 3: You know, you are obviously, as we said up front,

1641
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: you know fewd as one of the great players of

1642
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: all time. And just from a historical standpoint, if we

1643
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,919
Speaker 3: were put together a Mount Rushmore of running backs or fullbacks,

1644
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 3: you would have Jim Brown on there. You would have

1645
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders, Walter Payton. Is there maybe a guy right now,

1646
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: like a fourth guy that Mount Rushmore that it's playing

1647
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 3: right now, that you think could be viewed twenty years

1648
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: from now as somebody at the level of those names,

1649
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: including you, Yeah, that's.

1650
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 2: A no brainer.

1651
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 9: My friend, my dear friend, Adrian, he has had an

1652
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 9: unbelievable year. Last year he came back from an injury

1653
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 9: that surpassed courage and talent. It was just somewhere up

1654
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 9: there that nobody's been in the history of running backs.

1655
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 9: To show that kind of dedication to rehabilitating himself and

1656
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 9: then having that kind of a year is unprecedented. So

1657
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,480
Speaker 9: I'm glad to be able to say that without hesitation,

1658
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 9: because after him, I would not have anyone that I

1659
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 9: would put in that class.

1660
01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you've seen so you've been around, and you've

1661
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 3: seen so many great players, either playing with or watched

1662
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: as a football fan. I mean, was what he did

1663
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 3: last year was that kind of stunning to watch? That?

1664
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 4: Was that something even you were like, Wow, how is

1665
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 4: he pulling this off?

1666
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, it was.

1667
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 9: Amazing because the type of injury and the way you

1668
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 9: have to depend upon your legs, you can't bypass the

1669
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 9: need of those legs, and to have that kind of

1670
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 9: injury and to take on that type of role, the

1671
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 9: amount of courage that it takes you can't imagine. And

1672
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 9: it's the only thing that I could really talk about

1673
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 9: in this manner that I respect on this degree because

1674
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 9: I know how difficult it is to be injured and

1675
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 9: just to come back and be all right, But to

1676
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 9: be that great and to show that kind of courage, man,

1677
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 9: it's unprecedented.

1678
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 5: I Well, let's talk about back on the Cleveland Browns.

1679
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 5: A young running back right there, Trent Richardson, who played

1680
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 5: through a tremendous amount of pain as a rookie last season.

1681
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 5: It seemed to really show quite a bit of courage

1682
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 5: to play through what was a broken rib, leg injuries,

1683
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 5: never really one hundred percent out of the gate. You

1684
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 5: had some tough comments about him. Do you do you

1685
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 5: would you like to take any of those back? I

1686
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 5: know now you guys are relatively close, You've talked a bunch.

1687
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 5: What's your view on him today?

1688
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 2: My view is that I like him.

1689
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 9: He's a tremendous warrior, and he's a real fine running

1690
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 9: back that has a chance to prove his greatness. Unfortunately,

1691
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 9: as you said, he was injured, et cetera, et cetera,

1692
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 9: et cetera. But the things I said about him were

1693
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 9: not harsh at all. I said he looked like an

1694
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 9: ordinary back. That's not a criticism. That's a launching pad.

1695
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 9: What makes you great before you run the ball as

1696
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 9: a professional player, Heinsman trophies. Winners fail all the time,

1697
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 9: so you never know who's going to make that leap

1698
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 9: in the Pro Bowl and be what they were when

1699
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 9: they were in college. So if you make this prognostication

1700
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 9: about how great someone is before they make that leap,

1701
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 9: it's an unnecessary comment to make. And the great thing

1702
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 9: about the comment is how they receive it. And if

1703
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 9: he'd been mad and angry with me and held it

1704
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 9: as a grudge, then he would have shown something that

1705
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 9: would be weakness in my mind.

1706
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 2: But he brushed that off his back like it was

1707
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:47,719
Speaker 2: a feather.

1708
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 9: He can't think about what I was saying in that sense,

1709
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 9: because he knew he was going to have to play

1710
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 9: up to his game because of what I said, and

1711
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 9: he tried to do that. If it were not for injuries,

1712
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 9: he would have had a tremendous year. But we had

1713
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 9: three or four conversations, and they were beautiful conversations.

1714
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 3: You know, going back to your career, you played nine seasons.

1715
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,480
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are just so fascinated

1716
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 3: that you would step away from the game at market

1717
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 3: and I before.

1718
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 4: You came in.

1719
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: We're just looking over your stats and what an amazing

1720
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 3: final season you had. You go into movies, You retire,

1721
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: and you go into movies as a fan of sports movies.

1722
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 4: I find it interesting.

1723
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure when you began as an actor you were

1724
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 3: getting a lot of scripts for movie type projects. Is

1725
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 3: that's safe to assume some degree? Yeah? And you know

1726
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: my question to you, and I wonder if you agree,

1727
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 3: is you know, there have been a lot of great

1728
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 3: baseball movies, and you know there've been great basketball movies,

1729
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,639
Speaker 3: and there have been some good football movies, but there

1730
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: hasn't been maybe a definitive football movie or many.

1731
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you surprised that there aren't more great

1732
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 4: football movies out there?

1733
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 9: Well, any given Sunday was a tremendous.

1734
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 4: That's one of the movies, yes, which which you were

1735
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 4: great in.

1736
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was in and you know it.

1737
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 9: But you're right, it's like there should be more great

1738
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 9: football movies because it has everything.

1739
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: You know that it.

1740
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 9: Has everything that it should have to be able to

1741
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 9: be show greatness. I don't know why there hasn't been,

1742
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 9: but you know, behind the scenes, it's been three or four.

1743
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 9: But like you say, there have been some great baseball movies,

1744
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 9: and that took it to another level. So I'm stumped.

1745
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 9: You finally got me. I don't know why I can't

1746
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 9: give you an answer to that one.

1747
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: Well, I guess my other question is were you've been

1748
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: out in la for a long time, been acting for decades. Now,

1749
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: did you ever think to yourself, maybe I'm the one

1750
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: that could put together a great football movie with the

1751
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 3: insight you have.

1752
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 9: No, I wouldn't want to put together a football movie.

1753
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 9: I saw Clinton Tarantino just did a film, Dangle Unchained,

1754
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 9: and I thought it was a brilliant film. And so

1755
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,919
Speaker 9: when I look at movies, I look at it across

1756
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 9: the board, and the people that I know in respect

1757
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 9: loved it and the other people.

1758
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 2: Didn't like it.

1759
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 9: And I when that movie was over, I stood up

1760
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 9: in the theater and I laughed.

1761
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:31,839
Speaker 2: I did. I just laughed.

1762
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 3: Man.

1763
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 9: It was like, Holy smoke, this is funny.

1764
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: And it was.

1765
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 9: It was laughed of respect for Tarantino to be able

1766
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 9: to say so much in the way that he did it.

1767
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 3: He's audacious, you know.

1768
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, that's a good word. And uh, I just

1769
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 9: loved the film.

1770
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 4: Yeah at Willie be.

1771
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Danny given sunny. What was it like you had

1772
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 5: some pretty intense sans with Paccino. I mean, you guys

1773
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 5: looked like you really were one as a coach and

1774
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 5: assistant coach. What was it like acting with him?

1775
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 2: Oh?

1776
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 9: It was great, you know, Al Pacino is one of

1777
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 9: our great actors of all times. And he's the hell

1778
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 9: of a guy. And he's one of those guys that

1779
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 9: like Sinatra, he likes you, he doesn't like you, so

1780
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 9: he liked me.

1781
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 2: So I was cool. And we got together and played.

1782
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 9: Chess and you know, hung out a little bit, and

1783
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 9: it was a great time.

1784
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 2: Because we had a lot of good people on that movie.

1785
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 9: And Oliver Stone is he's different, you know, you know different,

1786
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 9: He's a different dude. So he must have fired twenty people.

1787
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,599
Speaker 9: But al Pacino is a fine actor, and I enjoyed

1788
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 9: working with him tremendously, and I enjoyed it with the

1789
01:24:53,680 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 9: respect of me not being in his class and but

1790
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 9: accepting the role and playing it to the best of

1791
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 9: my ability without fear of Albercino. But so it was

1792
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 9: that way I looked at it was the way I

1793
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 9: looked at it.

1794
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 2: Well.

1795
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 5: One of the reasons that you're with us today is

1796
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 5: because back in March, the NFL agreed to pay out

1797
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 5: forty two millionaires part of a settlement to a group

1798
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 5: of retired players who have challenged the league over basically

1799
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 5: using their names and images without consent. I know that's

1800
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,879
Speaker 5: an issue that's important to you. And you're the chairman

1801
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 5: of the board of the Retired Pro Football Players Association

1802
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 5: and you're trying to get former players to sign this settlement.

1803
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 5: Is that correct? Do you want to address that issue?

1804
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 9: Yes, we want all of the players out there to

1805
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 9: understand it. This is a great opportunity for them because

1806
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 9: this will be probably the only chance we will have

1807
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 9: to have players who were not stars be able to

1808
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 9: benefit from something that the National Football League has set up.

1809
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 9: And the fund that has been set up is for

1810
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 9: the benefit of any player and all players, and so

1811
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 9: a lot of our players are suffering now will get help,

1812
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 9: and then we're working towards a health plan that can

1813
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 9: support everything else that's going on in that particular direction.

1814
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 9: But it's so important to have that fund available to

1815
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 9: all players and then to.

1816
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: Be able to hire a.

1817
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 9: Firm that can deal with the licensing of our names

1818
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,599
Speaker 9: and images and so forth and so on, and to

1819
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 9: have that develop into a major fund. So it would

1820
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 9: be the first time that former players will have anything

1821
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 9: like this to work with. And the great thing about

1822
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 9: it is that the judges has basically guided us down

1823
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 9: this road because they know that anything that would come

1824
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 9: from the standpoint of individual moneies with twenty thousand players,

1825
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 9: and talking about putting enough money up to be able

1826
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 9: to split that among the players would mean that we

1827
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,680
Speaker 9: all get one hundred dollars, you know. And but with

1828
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 9: this you have a continual fund, and that fund is

1829
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 9: controlled by our board of former players and nobody else.

1830
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 9: Just seven of us are the board. I'm the chairman

1831
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 9: of the board, and we can set out to deal

1832
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 9: with the most extreme cases of need and.

1833
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 2: Work our way backwards.

1834
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 9: So I think it's a true vend this opportunity, and

1835
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 9: there is no other alternative because if you say, well, Jim,

1836
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 9: we don't want to deal with it, then I say, well,

1837
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 9: I'll just go my way and sue them for my image.

1838
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 9: And I have a real good chance because I'm using

1839
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 9: a whole lot more things than nine to nine percent of.

1840
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 2: The other players. So those of us who are working

1841
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,520
Speaker 2: for the good of all.

1842
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 9: Is working at possibly a sacrifice of our own individual wealth.

1843
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 9: But that's okay, because it's time that a lot of

1844
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 9: our players who've never been recognized and who've never looked

1845
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 9: out for have a chance to benefit from the Nation

1846
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 9: Football League.

1847
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 4: Well, Jim, thank you so much for joining us today.

1848
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 4: It really is an honor. And I just want to

1849
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 4: say before you go, Mark.

1850
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 3: Sessler, he hasn't said it, but he is a big

1851
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns fan. Can you tell Mark that the Lombardi

1852
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,799
Speaker 3: Trophy is going to get to Cleveland?

1853
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, I'll tell you what. You'll see us a

1854
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:05,480
Speaker 2: slow change.

1855
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 9: And at some point within the next five or six years,

1856
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 9: you're gonna see something that's going to really make you.

1857
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 5: Feel good coming from you.

1858
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: I'll believe it'll go.

1859
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 9: All right, We're gonna we're gonna put everything we have

1860
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 9: into it, and uh, it's gonna produce.

1861
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 5: It's gonna make one city in this country very happy.

1862
01:29:26,200 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 4: Yes, Jim Brown, thank you very much.

1863
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for having me.

1864
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 4: All Right, and there he goes Jim Brown not worthy,

1865
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 4: Not worry. That was pretty impressive.

1866
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. We've had other guests here before,

1867
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 5: some unimpressive, but other impressive individuals. There was a bit

1868
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 5: of a there was a feeling in the room in

1869
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 5: my own.

1870
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean he's like one of those guys. I

1871
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 3: mean he's one of the players in this league in

1872
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 3: the history of this league that he kind of changes

1873
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: the temperature and he walks in the room and that's

1874
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 3: that's you know, you shake his hand and that's Jim Brown.

1875
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 4: So that was that was pretty cool.

1876
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 5: I mean it was it's telling to me that A

1877
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 5: he said right off the bat, I don't think about age, right,

1878
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 5: I want to stay relevant it. You know, two things,

1879
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 5: he's still involved in the team that he calls his

1880
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 5: family and uh, this this effort right at at the

1881
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 5: end in terms of helping retired players.

1882
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 4: Oh what was that? By the way, they want to Just.

1883
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 5: So, there is a website. I guess if you're a

1884
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 5: former player and you're listening to this, if you want

1885
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 5: to sign this settlement, which sounds important, you can go

1886
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 5: to a website. It's www dot Pro Football Retired Players

1887
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 5: Association dot com.

1888
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, sign it.

1889
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 4: He's at the front of he's the chairman of the

1890
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,720
Speaker 4: board for that. So, I mean, this is something he

1891
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be involved with this.

1892
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure Jim Brown is doing pretty well financially, but

1893
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's decided and that's what he said to us.

1894
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 3: You know, the reason why he hasn't left the Browns.

1895
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 3: He likes being involved. He likes being you.

1896
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 4: Know, plugged in with the players. So, uh, that. Yeah,

1897
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 4: that was that was pretty cool.

1898
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,040
Speaker 5: I like the guy because and I think we we

1899
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 5: knew this about him to some degree going in. He

1900
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 5: doesn't mince words, and we were we had come up

1901
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 5: with some of our questions before him, because we do

1902
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 5: on occasion prepare.

1903
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: For this in the bar, as usually in a bar,

1904
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 4: but yes.

1905
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 5: It's the setting. Will we come up with the preparation

1906
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 5: is often questionable, but I think we felt like we

1907
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 5: could ask him anything. It wasn't a guy that you

1908
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 5: have to, you know, tiptoe around. He'll answer any question.

1909
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 4: And now give me an honest answer right now.

1910
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 3: I mean when Jim Brown tells Mark Sessler that what

1911
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: was his exact wording, was it in five years or

1912
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 3: something like?

1913
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 5: It says a change is basically change.

1914
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,800
Speaker 3: Is happening, yeah, Obama style. But he's saying something very

1915
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 3: special is in store.

1916
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,599
Speaker 4: Well you gotta be you gotta stay alive Mark for

1917
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 4: five years.

1918
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know that's in the cards.

1919
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 4: You know it's gonna happen.

1920
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 3: It's gonna end up being one of those final destination

1921
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:50,879
Speaker 3: situations where what Jim Brown said is exactly true. However,

1922
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 3: different things are going to start happening to your life

1923
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 3: where you're you know, gonna step and there's gonna be

1924
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 3: a helicopter blade that goes by you, or you know,

1925
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 3: a school bus that comes out of nowhere. So you

1926
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: just keep your head on a swivel, is what I'm saying.

1927
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:03,759
Speaker 5: And nothing comes easy.

1928
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 4: Now.

1929
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about any Given Sunday, and I

1930
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 3: love talking about anything with Jim Brown's Hollywood career because

1931
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 3: it was it's run. I don't know, I don't think

1932
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 3: he's doing much acting anymore, but you know, he went

1933
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 3: from sixty five through the nineties, dozens of movies. Any

1934
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:25,639
Speaker 3: Given Sunday was the movie that the football film.

1935
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:25,880
Speaker 4: That he was in.

1936
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 3: And it is a good movie. I know you really,

1937
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 3: you really liked it right when it came out. You

1938
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 3: went to see it with your dad in the movie there.

1939
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1940
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we you know, the Internet has a very

1941
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 3: very deep memory. The Internet never forgets. And you know,

1942
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 3: we did some research on Mark Sessler and any Given

1943
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,639
Speaker 3: Sunday and we came across a chat in Washingtonpost dot

1944
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 3: com and it has that you know, when a story

1945
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 3: is old on the Internet, when the font has that

1946
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 3: very really like times Roman feel to it.

1947
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 5: Oh, it was possibly written on a typewriter.

1948
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the HDML is very crude. But here we go.

1949
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 4: From New Haven, Connecticut, a young Mark Sessler wrote to

1950
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 4: Oliver Stone, the director, excuse.

1951
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 5: Me incorrect, wrongtown.

1952
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 4: Ridgefield, Connecticut. There he is.

1953
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 3: It doesn't even doesn't even give your name up top,

1954
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 3: although at the bottom of see it does. Let's read

1955
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 3: what a young Mark Sessler, filled with joy and wonder,

1956
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 3: wrote to Oliver Stone once upon a time. Thank you

1957
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 3: Internet for all the great things you do. Oliver Stone.

1958
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Your movies bring inspiring power and force to the medium.

1959
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 4: Wow, that's right off the bat. One reason I have

1960
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,719
Speaker 4: started to make my own films exclamation point, still waiting

1961
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Speaker 4: for those. How do you approach the editing of your films?

1962
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 3: Comma, the flash cut, Comma, grainy images, Comma et cetera,

1963
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 3: and then parentheticals the shadow figure alone in the stands

1964
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 3: in any given Sunday question, Mark, I would love to

1965
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 3: know what you see in your mind as the story

1966
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 3: develops within. You must have your own screenplay version with

1967
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 3: all the these images included.

1968
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Speaker 4: It's a question.

1969
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 3: I guess yours Comma, not yours truly, just yours, Mark Sessler, Oliverstone,

1970
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 3: And you know it's funny he gives. Stone gives a rambling.

1971
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 5: Technical because you know, I know that is number one

1972
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 5: I had. I had like seven cups of coffee before

1973
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 5: I wrote that something's wrong with me.

1974
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 10: They gave seven cups of coffee to a nine year old?

1975
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 5: Well, I was not nine. I'm not as young as

1976
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 5: you think I am. But uh it, I look, I

1977
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 5: seem I seem extremely naive in my in my question.

1978
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 4: It's it's kind of adorable.

1979
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 3: And you know, Jim Brown cracked me up because he

1980
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 3: said that Oliver Stone fired twenty people while shooting of football.

1981
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 5: Well, which doesn't actually surprise me because Stone is a

1982
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 5: total loose cannon and if you want to search it

1983
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 5: out on the internet, his answer is a bit loose

1984
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 5: cannedy to me, I'm not sure what he's talking about.

1985
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: Then yeah, if you if if you want to find

1986
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 3: out how Oliverstone answered Mark, you know tester Google skills.

1987
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 4: But listen, let's go back.

1988
01:34:56,240 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 3: To what Brown told us about his Mount Rushmore. We

1989
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 3: teed him up a little bit. I mean, I guess

1990
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson is almost the obvious answer is a guy

1991
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 3: that can join Brown and Walter Payton and Barry Sanders

1992
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 3: on that type.

1993
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 4: That's just my Mount Rushmore. Do you disagree with those three?

1994
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it's hard to disagree with it. I mean

1995
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 5: I could I wonder if there's a fifth guy you

1996
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 5: could add to that.

1997
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,719
Speaker 4: You can't do that on Mount Rushmore. It's four guys.

1998
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 4: Everyone knows that well.

1999
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,160
Speaker 5: And I'm you know, it's at some point that we

2000
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 5: put another president on the side of the never.

2001
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 3: You cannot ever mess with Mount Rushmore. I'm very serious

2002
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:32,799
Speaker 3: about this, all matters South Dakota related. I'm very serious.

2003
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's fair. It doesn't sound like Trent

2004
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 5: Richardson's getting on that on that mountain then, according to you.

2005
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 5: But I do think that again, he he didn't say,

2006
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think we thought he would, But

2007
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 5: he didn't backtrack or anything. He basically said, I stand

2008
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 5: by what I said to everyone else. What he said

2009
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 5: about Richardson's this big hubbub. But he's basically saying, you

2010
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 5: haven't arrived as a rookie before you played a game.

2011
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 3: Well, I have a theory on this, and I guess

2012
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:58,920
Speaker 3: I could have brought it up to him, but it's

2013
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 3: a little it's a little Olverstonian. So I won't do

2014
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 3: it is that when he made that comment, that was

2015
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 3: when he was in the period of falling out with

2016
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 3: the previous ownership.

2017
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Speaker 4: I don't think.

2018
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 3: And the reason I brought up his age seventy seven

2019
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: is I don't think he thought this time last year

2020
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,720
Speaker 3: that he would ever be closely associated or at least

2021
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 3: professionally associated with the Browns ever again.

2022
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 4: So maybe in a Joe Namath type of, you know, tongue, he.

2023
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Said, listen, I don't think this guy's that good, not

2024
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 3: thinking he was going to end up being back in

2025
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 3: the Browns organization.

2026
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 4: Ownership changed over pretty quickly, and.

2027
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 3: HASLM came in and apparently is a really nice relationship

2028
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 3: with Haslim, And now all of a sudden he's in

2029
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 3: a bit of an awkward situation because now he's in

2030
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 3: the organization with Richardson. But at the same time, you're

2031
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 3: Jim Brown, and you don't you don't have to worry

2032
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: about what anybody thinks about what you say.

2033
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if what he says is going to happen,

2034
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,040
Speaker 5: if that comes true, h Richardson, Jim Brown has them,

2035
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 5: all of them might be in a better place than

2036
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:55,639
Speaker 5: they are today.

2037
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 3: So I don't know how do we top Jim Brown

2038
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 3: going forward in terms of getting a high profile guest,

2039
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 3: because now that that has to be the ground floor,

2040
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,839
Speaker 3: maybe we can get I don't know, the Pope.

2041
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 5: Possibly, Yeah, we'd have to go outside of football circles,

2042
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 5: so that that opens up that the range of possibilities.

2043
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:15,759
Speaker 6: But in the case guys doing right, we've got Wilk,

2044
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 6: who we do.

2045
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 4: Actually, we don't want to say. We don't want to

2046
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: tease it too much because it's a lot of pressure

2047
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 4: on Wilk.

2048
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 10: This Jewish kid from North Hollywood has connections with the Vatican,

2049
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 10: so I don't worry about getting the post.

2050
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 4: So you wouldn't think that.

2051
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 3: But that's why Wilk is such an unpredictable talent behind

2052
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: the glass.

2053
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 5: I think now when we tell people we got a

2054
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 5: guest coming, it's it's possibly true, and we do have

2055
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 5: someone coming next week.

2056
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 10: It's a believable lie. Now yeah, no, we may have

2057
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 10: someone next week. We're working on something behind the scenes.

2058
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 4: Don't let us down on Alex.

2059
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry, I won't.

2060
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 10: You've already sort of let us down on the same guests.

2061
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,760
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna provide reinforcements.

2062
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about you're talking in circles.

2063
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 3: Okay, listen that we should probably wrap it up now.

2064
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Mark needs to go sell because the Browns apparently are

2065
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 3: Super Bowl fifty three champions. It's never too early to

2066
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 3: start south. So much hope in the room right now

2067
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 3: and until next week. We'll let Mark go out on

2068
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:18,280
Speaker 3: that note as a champion of the future.