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Speaker 2: The Giants will play.

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Speaker 3: Their second Divisional game of the season this Sunday, but

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Speaker 3: they host the three and three Washington Commanders. They lost

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Speaker 3: their first NFC East battle in Week one to the

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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. The help set the stage for this Week

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Speaker 3: seven matchup, now joined by one member of the CBS

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Speaker 3: broadcast team that will be calling the game alongside Matt

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Speaker 3: Ryan and Tiki Bober, none other than play by play

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Speaker 3: announcer Andrew Catalan. Andrew, you got Lance Meado here on

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Speaker 3: Giants dot Com. Greatly appreciate the time, hope all as well.

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Speaker 3: How's everything on your end?

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Speaker 2: Thinks are great?

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Speaker 1: Lance? Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, it's a pleasure having you on the program.

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Speaker 3: And let's delve right into this match of Andrew, because,

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Speaker 3: first of all, for our audience understand, is your third

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Speaker 3: go around with Washington this season.

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Speaker 2: You saw them in Week three against the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 3: You saw them last week against the Atlanta Falcons, and

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Speaker 3: now obviously you'll see them against the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I would argue you saw probably

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Speaker 2: So from your viewpoint, where does Washington lie.

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Speaker 3: Is it somewhere in between or is it somewhere near

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Speaker 3: both of those outside spectrums.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Lance it's a great point. I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of it's because you have a young quarterback.

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Speaker 4: I think that's kind of sometimes the wave that you

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Speaker 4: for Sam Howell. I think he has no fear. He

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Speaker 4: he takes a lot of sacks, and those sacks have

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Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot to like about this

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Speaker 3: You mentioned the sacks, thirty four sacks, that's the most

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Speaker 3: As you well know, mobile quarterbacks tend to take a

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Speaker 3: the more you extend to play, the more likely the

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Speaker 3: So from what you've seen, is it him holding onto

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Speaker 4: Essentially, Yeah, I think when you ask the coaching staff

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Speaker 4: Some are on the offensive line, but a lot of

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Speaker 3: I think what also has jumped out to me, Andrew

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Eric b Enemy's doing a really good

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Speaker 4: You don't know where the balls going to on any

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Speaker 4: He had a season high in targets. But Johan Dotson

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Speaker 1: Where's he been at any point?

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Speaker 4: He can take the top off of defense, Diami Brown

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Speaker 4: for me is Brian Robinson. You know, they don't run

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Speaker 1: Past catcher this year.

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Speaker 4: He took a screen into the end zone last week

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Speaker 3: Andrew, you brought up Eric the Enemy And clearly, whenever

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Speaker 3: there's a new offensive coordinator that comes in, the big

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this because before the Buffalo game in September,

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Speaker 4: He's the loudest guy on the field, and Ron Rivera

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Speaker 4: This games have begun. And Ron Rivera thinks that the

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Speaker 1: They're in the best shape they've ever been in under

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Speaker 4: So I think the Enemy's impact on the field exes

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Speaker 4: that's kind of spilling over confidence wise with some of

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Speaker 3: the Washington Commanders. You were talking about the influence of

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Speaker 3: the influence of Brian Dabele and Mike Kafkin. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 3: off last season. From your outside perspective, what's been more

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I look at this Giants team and

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Speaker 1: I think they're the right guys for the job.

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Speaker 1: They still have time to make some noise this season, but.

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Speaker 2: Especially of course since it's within the division.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, Andrew, you've up the Giants offensive line I

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Speaker 2: What was the rationale Andrew.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Forbes a first round pick, and look, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: They got to figure it out.

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Speaker 4: I think, as we said, a lot of it's on

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Speaker 4: see you know which is the guy for before you know,

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Speaker 4: foreseeable future.

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Speaker 1: But there's no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt that they've got to get something going offensively. They've

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Speaker 4: got they've got to put points on the board and

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Speaker 4: stop digging out of holes.

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Speaker 1: Because when you're down, you know, you call the game differently.

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Speaker 1: You can't establish the run as much, and that's where

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Speaker 1: they have a strength with Saquan. So I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants if they can get out to a lead and

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Speaker 1: start playing ahead instead of behind, it would really change

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Speaker 1: a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Things, especially since, believe it or not, the Giants are

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Speaker 3: still looking for their first offensive touchdown in the first

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Speaker 3: half this season, the lone touchdown, of course, coming thanks

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Speaker 3: to Jason Pinnock his pick six against the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: He is Andrew Catalan.

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Speaker 3: He'll be on the call the Playbock play announcer alongside

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Speaker 3: Matt Ryan and Tiki Bobber. It's the NFL on CBS

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Speaker 3: Giants Commanders, one pm Eastern kickoff on Sunday. Andrew can't

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Speaker 3: thank you enough, greatly appreciate the time of the inside,

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Speaker 3: have a great call and I look forward to talking

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Speaker 3: down the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah same here. Thanks Lance.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely my pleasure. This is the latest edition of the

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Speaker 3: Giants Little Podcast. You can catch it on giants dot com,

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Speaker 3: the mobile app, and your favorite podcast platforms.