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Speaker 1: Jesse Friedman alongside the one and only Jack Summers. We
Speaker 1: are both at Chase Field after this Diamondbacks win over
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Twins. A little odd that we're still in
Speaker 1: like two different parts of the screen here winds up
Speaker 1: being technologically easier for us to run the show from
Speaker 1: two different locations, but we are both at Chase Field
Speaker 1: and Jack we witnessed quite a few things throughout the day,
Speaker 1: of course, Diamondbacks with a big win over the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Twins by a score of nine to five. But maybe
Speaker 1: the larger storyline today Jack was just a whole lot
Speaker 1: of injury news across the board.
Speaker 2: It's been brutal. In the words of Tory Leavello, he
Speaker 2: did not hold back. He said, it's just been absolutely
Speaker 2: brutal the last twenty four hours, and I don't think
Speaker 2: there's really any other way to describe it. We've written about,
Speaker 2: we've talked about, you know, the importance of staying healthy
Speaker 2: and we've seen what can happen to a team, and
Speaker 2: it just seems like with the Diamondbacks, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: when it hits the fan, it all hits at once.
Speaker 3: I don't know why that is. It just seems that
Speaker 3: they all come in such a.
Speaker 2: Compact period of time when these injuries hit, and that's
Speaker 2: certainly what they're experiencing right now.
Speaker 1: So before the game, we got some updates from Tory
Speaker 1: Lavello about Ryan Nelson and aj Puck. We'll get into
Speaker 1: those a little bit later in the show. Not great
Speaker 1: news with either of those guys, but the more immediate
Speaker 1: news during the game, both Michael Soroka and Jordan Lawler
Speaker 1: exited the game early.
Speaker 4: Soroka pitched a scoreless first.
Speaker 1: Inning, but then felt a grab in what was ultimately
Speaker 1: seemed a left glute discomfort injury. That was the final
Speaker 1: diagnosis that Tory Lavello just gave us when we spoke
Speaker 1: with him, and yeah, he threw one warm up pitch
Speaker 1: and felt something and didn't feel like he could throw
Speaker 1: any more warm up tosses. Diamondbacks aside to just go
Speaker 1: to the bullpen the rest of the way. Soroka will
Speaker 1: get imaging tomorrow Tory was sort of non committal about
Speaker 1: his status moving forward. He did kind of acknowledge though
Speaker 1: that Soroka is probably not going to make his next start.
Speaker 1: And then the other big injury report from during the
Speaker 1: game Jordan Lawler. In the bottom of the eighth inning,
Speaker 1: after running out an infield single, he suffered a right
Speaker 1: hamstring strain and he also is going to have imaging tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We did speak with him just a couple minutes ago, Jack,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately it did not feel like Jordan Lawler was
Speaker 1: feeling very optimistic. And of course he has quite a
Speaker 1: track record of hamstring injuries at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they actually initially described as hamstring tightness.
Speaker 3: Of course he's going to get an MRI and see
Speaker 3: what it is. But like you said, you know.
Speaker 2: He injured his hamstring quite badly, you know, last year,
Speaker 2: and then he had to you know, come back from
Speaker 2: that again. I think he re injured it twice, or
Speaker 2: at least a second. I think he injured it and
Speaker 2: then he re injured it, and when he reinjured it,
Speaker 2: he was out for a much longer period of time.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is not great and clearly anything
Speaker 2: to do with the hamstrings. He was very unhappy about.
Speaker 2: Soroka was pretty down too. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 2: he was very subdued. He's been through an awful lot
Speaker 2: in his career, you know, and he's worked so hard
Speaker 2: to come back and to stay healthy. You know, he's
Speaker 2: just got a workout and training regimen to try to
Speaker 2: keep himself as healthy as possible, and so you could
Speaker 2: just really see the disappointment and frustration on his face
Speaker 2: as well as Jordan's, you know, and especially, I mean,
Speaker 2: they're playing so darn well. I mean, Soroka's been you know,
Speaker 2: neck and neck with Erod for the best pitcher on
Speaker 2: the team. Jordan has been a breath of fresh air
Speaker 2: since he came back, playing athletically, running around, making plays.
Speaker 2: His bat was coming around, as he said, his timing
Speaker 2: was getting there. I just can't even fathom how this
Speaker 2: team overcomes this in the short term, especially with the
Speaker 2: schedule they have coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always tough to have guys go down with injury.
Speaker 1: It's particularly tough when it's two of really your best players.
Speaker 1: This season, at least for Lawler, when he's been healthy,
Speaker 1: he has been really everything you could have hoped for.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Soroka's injury track record. I know you tweeted
Speaker 1: out this injury log a little bit earlier in the day,
Speaker 1: and this was something that we talked about when the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks first signed Michael Soroka. Maybe there is a world
Speaker 1: where he could turn things around and you know, get
Speaker 1: back to the pitcher he was when he first came
Speaker 1: up with the Brave, and that is exactly what's happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been tremendous, but on the flip side,
Speaker 1: we kind of warned from the beginning, this probably isn't
Speaker 1: a guy that you're gonna get one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty innings from. He just hasn't been
Speaker 1: able to do that really at any point in his
Speaker 1: career outside of his very first season in the league,
Speaker 1: and you see the log here with several shoulder injuries.
Speaker 1: Of course, there was the big ACL injury back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He's had achilles issues a couple of times.
Speaker 1: So for Soroka, it hasn't just been about keeping his
Speaker 1: arm healthy. It's been about keeping his lower half healthy
Speaker 1: as well. And totally possible that this winds up being
Speaker 1: not a serious injury. But when you're already down Ryan
Speaker 1: Nelson and trying to figure out what to do there.
Speaker 1: The last thing that d Bacs needed was was any
Speaker 1: other starting pitcher to miss time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean nine IL stands for Michael Soroka. Looks
Speaker 2: like number ten is coming up, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: if he's gonna have to miss a start, they're going
Speaker 2: to have to put him on the I L and
Speaker 2: use that roster spot.
Speaker 3: And you know, my guess is.
Speaker 2: Lawlor's probably gonna end up on the I L as well.
Speaker 2: You know, in his case, it might be a short
Speaker 2: stint if it's just a mild tightness or mild strain,
Speaker 2: but even a mild strain you're looking at a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks usually, so, you know, not great. I mean,
Speaker 2: if we come in tomorrow and find out that Jordan
Speaker 2: Lawler has missed the you know, won't have to go
Speaker 2: on the I L, that'll be great news. But I'm
Speaker 2: almost certain that Soroka will we'll have to hit the
Speaker 2: IL and for the pictures, that's fifteen days, not ten, right,
Speaker 2: So you're looking at you know, three starts basically at
Speaker 2: the least that he's going to miss, so very tough
Speaker 2: news for him. And very tough news for the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: Kind of a you know, bittersweet victory tonight. They played well,
Speaker 2: the bullpen was just incredible. I mean, you know, you think, well,
Speaker 2: they give up four runs, but I mean they had
Speaker 2: no warning. I mean they had to pick up from
Speaker 2: inning number two, you know, and so to be able
Speaker 2: to get through this game.
Speaker 3: And then the offense in.
Speaker 2: Corbyn Carroll, Holy cal I think this Corbyn Carroll guy
Speaker 2: might be pretty good.
Speaker 3: I think he can stick. What do you think, Jess,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I need to see more.
Speaker 1: I think I need to see him actually take the
Speaker 1: franchise lead in triples and not just tie Steven Drew,
Speaker 1: which is what he did with that triple there.
Speaker 4: In the eighth inning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Corbin had an unbelievable game, three for four with
Speaker 1: a walk, four runs batted in. He continues to be
Speaker 1: outrageously good against left handed pitching, in particular. The two
Speaker 1: of the three hits and the walk as well came
Speaker 1: against Connor Prelip, left handed starter for the Twins today.
Speaker 1: So Corbin is really he's kind of been the engine
Speaker 1: jack that has held this team together. I mean, with
Speaker 1: kateel Marte kind of going in and out a little
Speaker 1: bit here, and I know Gabby Mourno's heated up, but
Speaker 1: he's also his time and and isn't you know, isn't
Speaker 1: able to play every single day as a catcher. And
Speaker 1: so Corbyn Carroll is far and away the Diamondbacks most
Speaker 1: valuable player at this point and coming into the year,
Speaker 1: I mean, we figured this could be a really big
Speaker 1: season for him, and he's delivered in that, on that
Speaker 1: and in every way imaginable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: I was joking with him a little bit because you know,
Speaker 2: he was on TV, of course, and he's running around
Speaker 2: in the outfield catching line drives while he's mid sentenced
Speaker 2: talking to the guys on TV, and he just kind
Speaker 2: of all shocked. You know, it was all right, he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not an infielder. You know, that'd be
Speaker 2: tough to do that as an infield because of all
Speaker 2: against at your fast but in the outfield you have
Speaker 2: plenty of time to react. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: this guy, what a season. If I can't believe that
Speaker 2: he was eighth in the All Star voting. Hopefully, you know,
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks fans step up and at least bump them up
Speaker 2: a little but higher.
Speaker 3: But there's no doubt he's an All Star. He's going
Speaker 3: to make it.
Speaker 2: One note I wanted to say about this game too,
Speaker 2: you know, the bottom of the order six, seven, eight nine.
Speaker 3: I mean Nolan had two hits, scored a run.
Speaker 2: Ildemaro Vargas had a two run single, it was a
Speaker 2: pretty hot shot, got past a shortstop. Jordan of course
Speaker 2: had the two base hits, the bunt bass hit that
Speaker 2: he ended up leaving the game. Tommy Troy scored a run,
Speaker 2: pitche running for him. Lou James Gruver had a double
Speaker 2: and scored almost just missed a home run, and then
Speaker 2: Pevin Smith had a.
Speaker 3: Pinch hit base hit.
Speaker 2: So that's a lot of traffic coming from the bottom
Speaker 2: of the order, setting it up for the top, which
Speaker 2: is exactly what they've been hoping to get, and that's
Speaker 2: what really made the difference on the offensive side of
Speaker 2: things tonight.
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks had a ton of base runners in this game.
Speaker 1: I mean it was thirteen hits, four walks. Gabby Mourno
Speaker 1: reached on an air at one point as well, so
Speaker 1: I think that's eighteen base runners altogether, and even though
Speaker 1: there were some moments with runners in scoring position where
Speaker 1: things didn't go their way, especially early on in the game,
Speaker 1: Dbacks got the big hits that they needed to ultimately
Speaker 1: put up nine runs on the board and are able
Speaker 1: to come away with a win. Going back to Corbyn
Speaker 1: real quick, he made a very nice catch in the
Speaker 1: bottom of the second inning. I believe it was immediately
Speaker 1: before a solo home run by the Twins that would
Speaker 1: have been a two run shot had Corbin not made
Speaker 1: that play. I believe that was Victor Karattini's home run
Speaker 1: in the second inning, So that was, yeah, twelve percent
Speaker 1: catch probability. Corbyn Carroll going to his right kind of
Speaker 1: his signature sliding grab moving in that direction, and he
Speaker 1: I mean, he's also emerged as one of the best
Speaker 1: defenders in right field and baseball. Certainly he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the arm that some right fielders do, but in terms
Speaker 1: of range, he was already I think in the ninety
Speaker 1: six percentile and ou it's above average entering this game,
Speaker 1: and then you see him go out there and make
Speaker 1: what was really a spectacular catch. Corbyn is just it's
Speaker 1: really all coming together and he is everything you possibly
Speaker 1: could hope for.
Speaker 4: In a star player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, Lord just made a nice play
Speaker 2: just before that. I don't know what to catch probability
Speaker 2: was probably got a little late jumper, a little slow
Speaker 2: getting there, but he ended up sliding and making a
Speaker 2: really nice play on a pop up in no man's land.
Speaker 2: And you know, so that was really key too, because
Speaker 2: that could have been a three run homer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that is very true. And of course before
Speaker 1: Corbyn came through with the big bass clearing triple in
Speaker 1: the eighth inning, things are getting a little dicey for
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks. Kevin Ginkel gave up back to back home
Speaker 1: runs to start off that top half of the eighth inning,
Speaker 1: caught a six to three lead, down to six to five,
Speaker 1: but Corbyn able to come through and open up a
Speaker 1: four run lead. Paul Seawall then put up a zero
Speaker 1: in the ninth inning. So just a weird day for
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 1: I mean, a big win on one hand, but man,
Speaker 1: being in that clubhouse just now, I'm not sure I've
Speaker 1: ever seen a more somber clubhouse after a win. As
Speaker 1: a is that a moth? Is that a bird?
Speaker 2: It is?
Speaker 3: It's a massive fly. Yes, It's like a bird.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious what what Tory Leavello would have done
Speaker 1: if if that came through when he was when he
Speaker 1: was there, I didn't get him, darn it. Uh.
Speaker 4: Well maybe by the end of the show. We'll see,
Speaker 4: I see if you can find a way. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was just such an odd feeling in
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. You're used to hearing music blaring after a
Speaker 1: win like this, but Tory Leavello took quite a while
Speaker 1: to start his postgame interview, which was which was not
Speaker 1: a surprise given all of the injury news and the
Speaker 1: roster moves that the Diamondbacks are probably trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: And then even though the team won, it was clear
Speaker 1: that everyone was just kind of.
Speaker 4: Worried about Soroka and Lawler.
Speaker 1: And you know what this is going to mean for
Speaker 1: this team when all is said and done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Tory made it clear. Look, you know there's
Speaker 2: going to be some guys coming up that are going
Speaker 2: to have to, you know, step up and help out
Speaker 2: and keep things moving. We're going to talk about some
Speaker 2: of that and just a little bit well, I know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions about what's likely going to happen.
Speaker 3: We have some thoughts. We don't have all the answers.
Speaker 2: You know, some of it will know when they know,
Speaker 2: because they got to tell us, right, I mean, we
Speaker 2: can speculate on it, but they didn't give us the
Speaker 2: news of which pictures and which hitters are coming back.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk through that as best we can in
Speaker 2: just a moment.
Speaker 1: On a positive note, looking at these standings after this game,
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks are now thirty nine and thirty six, up to
Speaker 1: three games over five hundred. They didn't get back into
Speaker 1: the wild card picture with this win, but they did
Speaker 1: scoot over the San Diego Padres as well as the
Speaker 1: Washington Nationals with this win. They're just sitting a half
Speaker 1: game behind the Cubs for that third wild card spot
Speaker 1: as of right now. So things tightening up in the
Speaker 1: wild card race. And despite the sky falling when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Diamondbacks and their pitcher injuries, I guess
Speaker 1: injuries at large, they're still in a pretty decent spot here.
Speaker 1: But as you said, Jack, we have a whole lot
Speaker 1: more to get to when it comes to the ramifications
Speaker 1: of these injuries, how the Diamondbacks are going to deal
Speaker 1: with them. We'll also dive more into Ryan Nelson and
Speaker 1: aj Puck and what we heard about those guys there.
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Speaker 1: Well, when it comes to all of these other injuries,
Speaker 1: where to start. I guess Ryan Nelson, We'll start there,
Speaker 1: Tory Lavello told the media today, and Ryan Nelson himself
Speaker 1: as well spoke to the media. It is a right
Speaker 1: flexer strain and a mild ucl sprain. Tory said that
Speaker 1: Nelson will be shut down for four to six weeks
Speaker 1: and that he will have imaging after six weeks and
Speaker 1: be re evaluated at that point. In terms of a timeline, Jack,
Speaker 1: I know you were doing the math and Tory was
Speaker 1: kind of agreeing with your math. It sounds like sometime
Speaker 1: around mid September is maybe the best case scenario given
Speaker 1: what we heard today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little strange.
Speaker 2: I mean, first they were saying four to six weeks,
Speaker 2: but then he said, well he's going to get the MRI.
Speaker 3: It's six weeks.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he'll start playing catch before then, but
Speaker 2: usually they give a follow up MRI before.
Speaker 3: They let them even start playing catch.
Speaker 2: But the other point that Toriy emphasized was however many
Speaker 2: weeks down, that's how many weeks it takes to ramp
Speaker 2: back up. So if he's down six weeks before he
Speaker 2: can start to throw, then he's going to need six
Speaker 2: weeks to ramp back up. That's twelve weeks. That's mid September. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I mean, you know, maybe they he feels pretty
Speaker 2: good and four weeks into this he goes and has
Speaker 2: an MRI and they don't wait till the six week part.
Speaker 2: But I would say that the earliest ye're going to
Speaker 2: see Ryan Nelson back on May League pitching mound. It's
Speaker 2: not even going to be eight weeks. It's going to
Speaker 2: be at least ten to maybe twelve. So you know,
Speaker 2: you do the math. Ten to twelve weeks is what
Speaker 2: you're looking at. If he makes it back this year,
Speaker 2: if he has no setbacks, if there's no problems, so
Speaker 2: you know, you might see Ryan Nelson pitch in September.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: In terms of how the Diamondbacks will replace Nelson, we
Speaker 1: don't know, is the short answer there. Brandon Fott's name,
Speaker 1: of course, came up very quickly in our pregame discussion
Speaker 1: with Tory, and Tory said that Fott will be a
Speaker 1: factor in the equation somehow, some way, but he said
Speaker 1: that the Diamondbacks want to get him stretched out a
Speaker 1: little bit more. I certainly suggested that Fodd is not
Speaker 1: going to be an option for the team this weekend,
Speaker 1: and even after Soroka went down, it sounded like that
Speaker 1: was still the case. That on Sunday the Diamondbacks are
Speaker 1: really emphasizing someone that can give them length, and that,
Speaker 1: of course Sunday being the day that Ryan Nelson was
Speaker 1: slated to start, So it's not gonna be Brandon Fought
Speaker 1: on Sunday. It's gonna be somebody who can provide length.
Speaker 1: I think we can rule out a bullpen game, especially
Speaker 1: given what we saw in this game, which essentially was
Speaker 1: a bullpen game in and of itself. So I guess
Speaker 1: we're kind of looking down to Triple A jack and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who are the guys who are
Speaker 1: fully stretched out who could be options for this team.
Speaker 1: And the name that comes to mind for me is
Speaker 1: a prospect we haven't talked a whole lot about. But
Speaker 1: his name is Jose Cabrera and he is twenty four
Speaker 1: years old. He has a three point sixty nine ERA
Speaker 1: in twelve starts between Double A and Triple A this season.
Speaker 1: He was promoted to Triple A back on June second,
Speaker 1: so just a couple of weeks ago, and has had
Speaker 1: pretty good success there through six scoreless innings in his
Speaker 1: most recent outing. So I don't know for sure, but
Speaker 1: in my head, Jose Cabrera makes the most sense. His
Speaker 1: numbers are are far and away better than any other
Speaker 1: any other pitcher down in Triple A, and I guess
Speaker 1: I should also mention Mitch bratt Is is is on
Speaker 1: his way back through four innings in his most recent
Speaker 1: outing in Triple A. But but he is not fully
Speaker 1: stretched out at this point. Is he works his way
Speaker 1: back from that shoulder injury.
Speaker 3: And he's also not in line for he's not available
Speaker 3: for Sunday.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think you know, some of the
Speaker 2: sleuths on Twitter were very quick to note that at
Speaker 2: one point Cabrera was showing up as I think a
Speaker 2: probable starter for Sunday for Reno, and then that got changed.
Speaker 3: So it does. It's not rocket science.
Speaker 2: You know, you can look back when he pitched last,
Speaker 2: when everybody else is pitched, and who's pitching the best?
Speaker 3: I mean, one point I just want to make statistically
Speaker 3: about Cabrera.
Speaker 2: You know, when you guys look at his raw E
Speaker 2: r A numbers, remember that he's pitching an Maillo and
Speaker 2: then subsequently in Reno, which are both you know, super
Speaker 2: hyperinflated run environments. And we love to look at these
Speaker 2: park and league adjusted stats. His ERA minus for the
Speaker 2: year is sixty two and his FIT minus is seventy six,
Speaker 2: so you know he's been between twenty five and thirty
Speaker 2: eight percent better than league average. So that's that's really encouraging.
Speaker 2: I want to highlight we were fortunate enough to have
Speaker 2: our good friend Diamondbacks Prospects, who does a fantastic job
Speaker 2: on Twitter keeping folks informed on everything that's going well
Speaker 2: going on with the Diamondbacks prospects, and he provided a
Speaker 2: scouting report on Cabrera just beyond just looking at the stats.
Speaker 2: So reading this on screen in case Jose Cabrera comes
Speaker 2: up for the Dbacks, here's my scouting report on him.
Speaker 3: Cabrera works from an.
Speaker 2: Updown delivery, forcing himself towards the plate, throws a solid
Speaker 2: ninety four mile an hour, four seam sinker, really fun
Speaker 2: high eighties cutter, solid mid eighties slider, and a wicked
Speaker 2: eighty five mile power changeup. Commands his own well too.
Speaker 2: So that's a pretty exciting, you know, scouting report on
Speaker 2: a guy. Now, look, any rookie pitcher coming up to
Speaker 2: the major leagues making his debut, you never know what
Speaker 2: you're going to get. Pitching prospects are like boxes of chocolate.
Speaker 2: But this is about as exciting a pitching line and
Speaker 2: exciting a scouting report as you're going to see coming
Speaker 2: out of the Diamondbacks system. Right now, kudos again to
Speaker 2: Diamondbacks Prospects for a great scouting report, So fingers crossed
Speaker 2: that you know, when he does, I'm almost sure it's
Speaker 2: going to be him. He's ready, he's stretched out, he
Speaker 2: can give the kind of length that Tory insists he needs.
Speaker 2: You know, had they not had to do a bullpen game,
Speaker 2: maybe they could have considered fought on Sunday and patching
Speaker 2: a couple of relievers behind him, But in these circumstances,
Speaker 2: he complete ruled that out. So if you completely rule
Speaker 2: out Randoon fought, and you just go through the available pictures,
Speaker 2: it's fairly obvious it's.
Speaker 3: Got to be Cabrera. I can't imagine who else it
Speaker 3: would be.
Speaker 1: And the man himself, Dbach's Prospects in the chat says
Speaker 1: Cabrera got yanked from his start today for Bryce Jarvis.
Speaker 1: This was well before warmups, so that also tracks. Cabrera's
Speaker 1: last start in Reno came on June thirteenth, six days ago.
Speaker 1: Makes sense he would have been lined up to start
Speaker 1: today and d Backs apparently pulled him from that start.
Speaker 1: So seems like you could say pretty confidently that Cabrera
Speaker 1: is going to be part of the solution. And is
Speaker 1: probably going to make that start on Sunday. Not an
Speaker 1: easy situation to walk into. Jack, It's Father's Day. There's
Speaker 1: going to be you know, forty forty five thousand people
Speaker 1: at the stadium that day, probably, But I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just kind of the reality of the situation that
Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks are in right now. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not just about Zach Gallon and Merrill Kelly not pitching
Speaker 1: as well as you'd like. This is about the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: just kind of running out of starting pitching depth. And
Speaker 1: we say it so often that you can never have
Speaker 1: enough starting pitching depth. The moment you think you have enough,
Speaker 1: the moment you you know, you view Brandon Fought as
Speaker 1: being sort of the unnecessary sixth starter that you don't
Speaker 1: know what to do with, and then you wind up
Speaker 1: in a situation like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, of course people are going to wonder.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Hazen had said that amongst his priorities
Speaker 2: for the trade deadline, he wants to buy left handed
Speaker 2: bat relief help and starting pitching. Sure, he'll look at it,
Speaker 2: but that was like third, Well, that may be change,
Speaker 2: you know, assuming he's still a buyer come July twentieth.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, if he is, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a fairly decent chance that he's going to need another
Speaker 2: starting pitcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to imagine the d Backs finding a
Speaker 1: way to stay in contention and like actually make the
Speaker 1: postseason just having the starters that they do right now.
Speaker 1: I guess on on the bullpen front, I think I
Speaker 1: saw someone mention mentioned this in the comments as well.
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks might need another arm just for tomorrow. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like that's a pretty likely Jack, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know Dre Jamison gave them a little bit of length
Speaker 1: in this game. Maybe maybe Jamison has to go down
Speaker 1: just to give the Diamondbacks another fresh arm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very possible.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really sure who they would grab.
Speaker 2: I haven't I'll be honest with you. I was a
Speaker 2: little busy today and I didn't look at the uh
Speaker 2: at the game logs for Reno tonight. I guarantee you
Speaker 2: somebody in our chat is going to tell me who
Speaker 2: hasn't pitched and who's the most available down there. But yes,
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if there's a move tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll be keeping our eyes out and for
Speaker 2: any news on on the roster changes, we expect a
Speaker 2: few few new jerseys in the locker tomorrow.
Speaker 1: With regard to Ryan Nelson's injury, you and I we're
Speaker 1: talking about this a little bit pregame, and it was
Speaker 1: a topic that came up with.
Speaker 4: Tory as well.
Speaker 1: Why are all of these picture injuries happening? The Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: have been hit pretty hard by this over the past
Speaker 1: really three seasons in a row now, where they've suffered
Speaker 1: some pretty significant pitture injuries that have very much held
Speaker 1: them back. And the simple answer is that the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: are not the only team going through this. This is
Speaker 1: a league wide problem, and it's very difficult to tease out.
Speaker 1: You know, are what are mistakes that this organization is
Speaker 1: making versus what is just kind of the reality of
Speaker 1: baseball right now? And injuries just happen. We're seeing this
Speaker 1: with a lot of other teams as well. Doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean that the Diamondbacks are doing anything wrong.
Speaker 4: The one thing I can.
Speaker 1: Say with Ryan Nelson is that he does throw a
Speaker 1: lot of fastballs, and his velocity has just gotten higher
Speaker 1: and higher over the years. This season, his fastball averaged
Speaker 1: ninety six point three miles per hour. Last year it
Speaker 1: was at ninety five point seven.
Speaker 4: He go back a few years.
Speaker 1: Ago, it was more in the ninety four range. So
Speaker 1: it's felt like as Ryan Nelson has adapted to the
Speaker 1: big leagues, he's kind of recognized that his fastball is
Speaker 1: going to be a really important weapon, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to get everything out of it that he possibly can.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe it's not a shock that a
Speaker 1: pitcher who's relying on a fastball in the upper nineties
Speaker 1: as much as Ryan Nelson is that something like this
Speaker 1: was maybe bound to happen at some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well also, I mean he's been trying to
Speaker 2: work in the slider and the cutter and the curveball
Speaker 2: a lot more. I mean, you know, I am again remissed.
Speaker 2: There was one particular pitch type that was bothering Ryan,
Speaker 2: and so he put that pitch away and stopped throwing
Speaker 2: it after the third inning when he started to feel
Speaker 2: his discomfort. He didn't tell anybody until after the game
Speaker 2: that he was feeling discomfort. I should look up what
Speaker 2: pitch he ditched after the third inning.
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me and our good pal Alex Winer we're looking
Speaker 1: at that more so Alex was doing the heavy lifting
Speaker 1: and I was looking over his shoulder as he was,
Speaker 1: and we were pretty sure it was the cutter.
Speaker 4: Was the pitch.
Speaker 1: That that Nelson ditched after the third inning. I think
Speaker 1: he threw one more cutter the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: but that was a pretty clear marker after that third
Speaker 1: inning where he really was not throwing that pitch anymore. So,
Speaker 1: so I think I think that was the pitch where
Speaker 1: Nelson was feeling the discomfort. And unfortunately for him, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just like a weird thing that you feel during
Speaker 1: a start.
Speaker 4: It was a much larger issue than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one conversation I was having with somebody
Speaker 2: if I if Nelson had gotten hurt last year after
Speaker 2: being sent to the bullpen, you know, messing around, trying
Speaker 2: to keep him stretched out enough and brought back into
Speaker 2: the rotation and stretched out again, you know, bouncing back
Speaker 2: and forth from the bullpen to rotation and back to
Speaker 2: the bullpen, back to the rotation. We've just seen over
Speaker 2: the years that gets guys hurt. Randall Delgado, John Deplentier,
Speaker 2: Dre Jamison, you know, and fortunately last year Nelson dodged
Speaker 2: that bullet. And that's something I've been really critical of
Speaker 2: Tory and Mike over the years of like, you know,
Speaker 2: you can't bounce guys back and forth like that. And
Speaker 2: so I've been not too long ago, I wrote an article,
Speaker 2: you know, with a picture of Mike and Tory sitting
Speaker 2: at this very desk, and I said, you know, Diamondbacks
Speaker 2: management's confused about what to do with Brandon Fought and
Speaker 2: you know, very concerned about him getting shortened up like
Speaker 2: he did and stretched back out. But in this case,
Speaker 2: you know, Ryan had the entire offseason off right, you know,
Speaker 2: and he had the entire entirety of spring training to
Speaker 2: get stretched out normally. And he has only been starting.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that there's anything that the team
Speaker 2: did wrong with him. There's nothing the training staff did
Speaker 2: wrong with Ryan Nelson. Pitchers get hurt, and this is
Speaker 2: one of those cases. Now, if it had gotten hurt
Speaker 2: last year, I would definitely be blaming them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1: Last year was definitely a back and forth kind of
Speaker 1: season for Ryan Nelson, and this year it's been pretty
Speaker 1: cut and dry, and yet things like this do happen.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of the nature of the game. So
Speaker 1: certainly wish the best for Ryan Nelson, for Jordan Lawler
Speaker 1: from Michael Soroka, and also for AJ Puck, the one
Speaker 1: other player we haven't gotten to yet. Puck, we've known
Speaker 1: for a little while now that he has had a
Speaker 1: set back with a shoulder injury. We got clarity today
Speaker 1: from Tory Lavello on the nature of that injury. It
Speaker 1: is a left capsule strain and he will be shut
Speaker 1: down for four weeks or I guess he will get
Speaker 1: imaging again in four weeks and the Diamondbacks will decide
Speaker 1: what to do at that point. So we kind of
Speaker 1: already knew Jack that things weren't great with AJ Puck,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say that update was particularly encouraging either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, your best case scenario is AJ
Speaker 2: Puck comes.
Speaker 3: Back mid to late August. That's the best case.
Speaker 2: Worst case, he's done for the year, and he's strong
Speaker 2: through his last pitch as a Diamondback.
Speaker 3: You know, last year, he's a free agent. He's a
Speaker 3: free agent at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is possible that AJ Puck has thrown his
Speaker 1: last pitch as a member of the Diamondbacks certainly hope
Speaker 1: that's not the case and that he's able to find
Speaker 1: his way back in the final month of the season,
Speaker 1: but given all of the setbacks that he's dealt with
Speaker 1: the past couple of years, it's hard to feel optimistic
Speaker 1: at this point. And this also sets up just a
Speaker 1: weird situation if you're Mike Hazen, because the Diamondbacks are
Speaker 1: now hoping to get a whole lot of guys back
Speaker 1: when the season is basically over.
Speaker 4: They're hoping to get.
Speaker 1: Corbyn Burns, Ryan Nelson, AJ Puck, Justin Martinez. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are two of your best starters and two of
Speaker 1: your best relief pitchers that you think you have a
Speaker 1: chance to get back by the end of the season.
Speaker 1: But you don't know what you don't know, And if
Speaker 1: you're Mike Hays and Jack, I don't know if today's
Speaker 1: events necessarily change your calculus. Certainly, the Diamondbacks were going
Speaker 1: to have to continue to play well going into the
Speaker 1: trade deadline for him to follow through with his plan
Speaker 1: to buy, But I don't know, wouldn't I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be him right now trying to balance out the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks position that they're in right now in the wild
Speaker 1: card being very much in the thick of that race.
Speaker 1: With also just the volume of injuries that they've taken
Speaker 1: on and the reality that you can't replace all of
Speaker 1: these guys with the you in the trade market, it
Speaker 1: just isn't going to be realistic. And frankly, even without
Speaker 1: these guys hurt, the Diamondbacks already had their share of problems.
Speaker 1: You know, you still need Ryan, you still need Zach
Speaker 1: Gallon and Merrill Kelly uh To to pitch better and
Speaker 1: uh and And at this point, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: you're thinking about replacing those guys in the rotation. You're
Speaker 1: probably just thinking about adding to them and hoping that
Speaker 1: you get better results from those guys moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, since you know, just thinking about
Speaker 2: the whole question about what they're going to do with
Speaker 2: bringing up a reliever, they'll probably put Soroco on the
Speaker 2: injured list tomorrow and bring up a reliever.
Speaker 3: They don't have to send anybody out if they don't.
Speaker 4: Want to, that's true, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And don't forget they brought up Jilbert Diaz and he
Speaker 2: didn't pitch tonight, so they do have him available tomorrow,
Speaker 2: so they'll probably bring somebody up and then when they
Speaker 2: have to bring up Cabrera, then they can option somebody
Speaker 2: out again, you know, to make room. And I believe
Speaker 2: that they can bring because it would be an injury
Speaker 2: if Lawler goes on the I L.
Speaker 3: I believe that they.
Speaker 2: Can bring Ryan walschmitht back immediately. He doesn't have to
Speaker 2: stay on the full ten days. So you know, if,
Speaker 2: assuming that Jordan Lawler does have a hamstring strain, then
Speaker 2: expect him to go on the I L. And if
Speaker 2: that happens, then expect Ryan Walschmith to get recalled right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is fair. Would be surprising to
Speaker 1: see the Dbacks go another route other than wald Schmidt
Speaker 1: if Lawler is indeed headed to the injured list.
Speaker 4: Our pal Wes in the chat.
Speaker 1: Makes an interesting point here, maybe something that Diamondbacks fans
Speaker 1: are feeling. He said, if I'm Mike Hasen, I go
Speaker 1: on a fire sale and I'm a seller at the deadline.
Speaker 1: Knowing what we know about Mike Hasen, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's going to be his posture, not if the team
Speaker 1: is in a position that it's.
Speaker 4: In right now.
Speaker 1: But you could make a case that maybe the situation
Speaker 1: is dire enough at a certain point where it isn't
Speaker 1: worth pushing the chips in on a team like this.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean, we have quite a ways to
Speaker 2: go before Mike actually has to make that decision. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, unless you're talking about trying to
Speaker 2: you know, hit a home run now and make a
Speaker 2: deal before the end of June or early July or whatever.
Speaker 2: But again, I would caution everybody take a close look
Speaker 2: at the schedule, starting with the road trip after this weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the Cardinals four game series in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, and you've got the Rays, you know, two
Speaker 2: really good teams later on in the month.
Speaker 3: You've got Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: In early July, you're on the road against San Diego
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers. Yes, you have the Giants plugged in there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good teams on their schedule
Speaker 2: between now and July twentieth. So let's kind of slower
Speaker 2: a role here a little bit. You know, in these circumstances,
Speaker 2: I don't think Mike has to do anything urgently.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to make a premature decision on buy
Speaker 3: or sell.
Speaker 2: Also, I wrote an article about you know, paying selling
Speaker 2: doesn't always necessarily pay a lot of dividends. Not everybody's
Speaker 2: going to agree with the article or the tone that
Speaker 2: I wrote, but basically I was saying, look, you know,
Speaker 2: when you have an opportunity to get to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: you've got to push to get into playoffs unless you're buried.
Speaker 2: Like if you're six games out of the wild Card
Speaker 2: and there's six teams in front of you, of course
Speaker 2: then you know you do the right thing. But I
Speaker 2: think the Diamondbacks paid a lot of good will away
Speaker 2: or fritted away a lot of good will last year
Speaker 2: by selling it the deadline. I mean the hardcore fans
Speaker 2: that are in here in this chat, they all followed
Speaker 2: the team closely, but a lot of I don't want,
Speaker 2: I hate to phrase casual fans, but people that just
Speaker 2: aren't quite as you know, fanatical as we all are,
Speaker 2: kind of checked out on this team after the trade
Speaker 2: deadline last year, and that cost a team a lot.
Speaker 2: I think it cost them season ticket base, I think
Speaker 2: it cost them good will in the city and just
Speaker 2: interest and sustainability of.
Speaker 3: The fan base. So you got to be careful with that.
Speaker 2: The other last point I want to make real quick
Speaker 2: is you know, most of their free agents this year
Speaker 2: are guys that just wouldn't have as much value as
Speaker 2: the guys that they happen to have available last year.
Speaker 3: I mean Naylor and Gino.
Speaker 2: Merrill, Kelly, those were some pretty good trade chips. You know,
Speaker 2: it didn't work out for Zach Gallon, but you know
Speaker 2: now it's I mean, it's not that guys teams don't
Speaker 2: need relievers.
Speaker 3: Most of their free agents would be relievers.
Speaker 2: But you know, a reliever and for two months you're
Speaker 2: just not going to get a whole lot, You're not
Speaker 2: going to get an impact player. So what's the real
Speaker 2: benefit there?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's definitely a larger cost selling
Speaker 1: where your fan base loses interest. And the Diamondbacks did
Speaker 1: make things at least a little interesting toward the end
Speaker 1: of last year. You could play the hindsight game and wonder, like, well,
Speaker 1: if they still did have Josh Naylor. You know, what
Speaker 1: would things have looked like at the end of the
Speaker 1: season if they had actually held on to all of
Speaker 1: those guys. Difficult, difficult to say at this point. We
Speaker 1: did get a super chat before we even went live
Speaker 1: that we definitely need to shout out. Our pal Philip
Speaker 1: left a super chat for ninety nine to ninety nine which.
Speaker 4: We very much appreciate.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Philip really means really means a lot to us.
Speaker 1: And yeah, your generosity just continues to blow us away.
Speaker 1: So we very much, very much appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yes, Philip, I really can't say thank you enough.
Speaker 2: You know, we're just very lucky to have listeners and
Speaker 2: friends like you to tune into the show, and you know,
Speaker 2: keep up the great work on your end as well.
Speaker 1: So the Diamondbacks have two more games against the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Twins this weekend. It is Taj Bradley going against Zach
Speaker 1: Gallen on Saturday. If ever, if ever, there was a
Speaker 1: time for Zach Gallen to give some length in his outing, which,
Speaker 1: in his defense, he has generally been giving a decent
Speaker 1: amount of length even though the results haven't been great.
Speaker 1: But the d Backs will certainly be looking for that
Speaker 1: from him in that game tomorrow and then on Sunday,
Speaker 1: the Twins have TBD listed. We think it might be
Speaker 1: mick able, but we don't know for sure. The Diamondbacks now.
Speaker 4: Also have TBD listed. We think it.
Speaker 1: Might be Jose Cabrera, but again take that with a
Speaker 1: grain of salt. We don't totally know for sure, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Jose Cabrera, Someway or another is
Speaker 1: probably gonna find his way up to the big leagues
Speaker 1: here pretty soon. And maybe if if Soroka misses time, Jack,
Speaker 1: maybe Mitch Bratt is also a part of that conversation.
Speaker 1: I know, he's still in the process of getting stretched out,
Speaker 1: and Brandon Fott is also certainly going to factor in here,
Speaker 1: but Mitch Bratt might might wind up making his his
Speaker 1: big league debut before too long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty clearly going to need him. It's
Speaker 2: just no matter where and when they're going to be
Speaker 2: able to slot him in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it'll be fascinating to see how the Diamondbacks
Speaker 1: handle uh this this weekend and uh what is really
Speaker 1: quite a string here of games without an off day
Speaker 1: and a schedule that, as you referenced earlier, is also
Speaker 1: tightening up. That four game series against the Saint Louis
Speaker 1: Cardinals next week is particularly big, and then they're they're
Speaker 1: facing the Tampa Bay Rays and some other formidable opponents
Speaker 1: after that. So a lot of a lot of difficult
Speaker 1: things ahead for the Diamondbacks as they try to find
Speaker 1: a way to overcome to overcome all of these injuries,
Speaker 1: we say thank you to all of you for being
Speaker 1: here with us on this episode. We really appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: as the Dbacks stare down a serious uphill road ahead.
Speaker 2: Well for all you fathers out there, Sunday's Father's Day
Speaker 2: and wishing you all the best. I hope that you
Speaker 2: guys get to enjoy that with family, and for all
Speaker 2: of you folks out there that still have your dad, definitely,
Speaker 2: you know, reach out to them, make sure that they
Speaker 2: know that you love them.
Speaker 3: Father's Day. These guys, you know, they all they.
Speaker 2: All need that love, man, So make sure that you're
Speaker 2: doing you're stepping up to the plate as well.
Speaker 1: Happy Early Father's Day to all of the dads out there.
Speaker 1: Definitely echo everything that Jack just said. We will be
Speaker 1: back with three more episodes next week. We'll keep you
Speaker 1: all posted on our on our schedule for the week
Speaker 1: and what that is going to look like. But thank
Speaker 1: you again to all of you for being with us
Speaker 1: here on this live post game edition of Snakes Territory.
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Speaker 5: Kay,