1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:00,640 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. 2 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: In this episode, he became a beloved ghostbuster forty years ago. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Today he's become well quite possibly the sexiest man alive. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Brobes. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: This is such a cool and fun story about one 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: of the Ghostbusters who forty years ago became a ghostbuster 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: but now has gotten new life because he took off 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: the proton pack and the suit and just stepped out 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: in a T shirt. 11 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 3: I love it. 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 4: It was a wardrobe malfunction that catapulted him to this 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 4: new Just the hottest seventy eight year old out there, 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 4: I believe, is the way I would look at it. 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 4: I mean, it's remarkable and you kind of have to 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 4: see it to believe it. 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Now, where do you? 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: Because he looks good, right, And of course what we're 19 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: talking about here is Ernie Hudson that people know from 20 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: from Ghostbusters, the movies several and all the sequels. But 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: do you if you just look at Ernie Hudson, you 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: would just say, oh, that's a good looking dude. Now 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: when you add into what his age is, so isn't 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: he just a good looking dude? Take the age out 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: of it. 26 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: He's a good looking dude who takes care of himself, 27 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 4: and that is a huge part of it. But he's 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: got really good genes too, obviously, And if I was 29 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: just looking at him, didn't know who he was, I 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 4: would say, he's in his like late fifties. Wow, that 31 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 4: would be what I would Yeah, I would go with 32 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 4: fifty eight, not seventy eight. 33 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: To look twenty years younger is what everybody, I would 34 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: guess is going for and where And you know this 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: about me and a noise sabine, But Ghostbusters is one 36 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: of those for just if I'm down, if I'm having 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: a rough time, I put on a movie that just 38 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: makes me feel good, something in the background, and my 39 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: go tos are Princess right, and I watch Ghostbusters yep 40 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: all the time. 41 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: I mean it was one of the things when I 42 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: actually became your partner, your girlfriend, and I'm with you 43 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: all the time, I didn't realize you always have a 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 4: movie on yus. The TV is always on, and you 45 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 4: are correct. If I had to guess it was, it's 46 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 4: usually Princess Bride, Ghostbusters and since my introduction, Age of Innocence. 47 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: But those are like the. 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: Three movies that are just on a loot always in 49 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: your apartment, but he is. 50 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: He made such an impression on us. Then the Fourth Ghostbuster, 51 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: I guess a lot of people know and a lot 52 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: of peple know the backstory about how he ended up 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 2: in the role. Uh what the role meant for him? 54 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: Who the role was even originally meant for? But he 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: is one of the most beloved obviously a beloved character 56 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: from a beloved movie. And with the sequel what was it? Afterlife? No, No, No, 57 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: Afterlife and then Frozen Empire is the one that just 58 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: came out. He goes to the Red carpet, walks the 59 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: red carpet. Okay, he's done plenty of these in his career, 60 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: but this one was a little different. He got a 61 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 2: little more attention this time around. And we're gonna call 62 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: him on in a second. But Ropes, I think he 63 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: knew what he was doing. 64 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he had a let me do airquo. A 65 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: smudge on his jacket. 66 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: I had to take it off. 67 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to get the jacket off. So yeah, 68 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I could just wear this T shirt that happens to 69 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: fit me really really well. 70 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: And I just happened to work out three times a 71 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: week and have some major gun show here. 72 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, for everyone, But this wasn't the This wasn't what 73 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: I'm meant to do. I don't know what people are 74 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: talking about. I mean, what's the big deal, right Ernie? Yes, 75 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: mister Ernie is joining us here? Now do we have 76 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: that right early? When we call bs on you on 77 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: your wardrobe mouth posters? 78 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, what you got? 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think I've always you know, tried 80 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 5: to stay in you know, relatively good shape. But I 81 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 5: was raised to never focus on that. But there's always 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 5: a part of you that kind of go, know, how 83 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 5: these other guys get all these action roles and I'm 84 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 5: always in a suit, and so maybe you know, but 85 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 5: I was always embarrassed to kind of go you know, 86 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: but I couldn't do that too, and so yeah, so 87 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 5: there's all It's been that part of me that would 88 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 5: love to take the suit off. I did OZ for 89 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: eight years, and every guy on this show had a 90 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: nude scene except me. I'm like, I got a body here, 91 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 5: so it's kind of nice to be nice. 92 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're always like the warden or you know, the 93 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: guy in the suit. You're never the one who's showing 94 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: off like that. But my god, when you did look 95 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 4: at the attention now and it's never too late. I mean, 96 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 4: you're proving that right now, at seventy eight, you could 97 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 4: be an action hero without a doubt. 98 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's some guys who at seventy eight, 99 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 5: eighty years old, they want to do that, but they 100 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 5: really didn't have the physicality to do it. 101 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: You know, I can think of a few. I'm not 102 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna mention an your names, but. 103 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 5: I think more importantly, I'm hoping it encourages a lot 104 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: of people who, you know, once they hit about sixty 105 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 5: seventy years old, they just assume that, you know, they 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 5: can no longer carry on the way they have, And 107 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 5: I honestly never felt there was any reason not to 108 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: unless you're doing things that's going to be really destructive. 109 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to be an example. 110 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: Of what spots and tell folks. Ernie Okay, and you're 111 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 2: again you said you always kind of focused on your health, 112 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: but thirty forty, fifty, sixty seventy, right. We always talk 113 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: about these milestones where people's bodies start to change and 114 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: you have to start eating differently or working out differently. 115 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: When in your along the way, did you really feel 116 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: that your body was changing to a point that you 117 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: needed to change some habits to like, Okay, this is 118 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: different now. 119 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 5: Well, I think there's some habits that you know you 120 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 5: can never do. You know, there's some things you know 121 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 5: that the consequences, and so we all indulge in things. 122 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: You know, I like ice cream, but I'm not going 123 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: to eat the whole kind of ice cream, or I 124 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 5: enjoy having good time. 125 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: I'm not going to party five days in a row. 126 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 5: Now I have a brother who will party five days, 127 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 5: and now he's feeling it. But I think when I 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 5: hit seventy, everybody said when you hit fifty, there's going 129 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: to be a change. When I hit seventy, that's when 130 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 5: I noticed my body really did start to change. You know, 131 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 5: the definition the waistline that was always you know, I 132 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: thought very tight. Suddenly I call him mister Jiggles. Came 133 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 5: to visit and he refuses to leave. He just hangs 134 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 5: with me all the time, and he talks to me 135 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: at night. 136 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: He was like, eat it. 137 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 5: But you know, you just have to sort of ignore that. 138 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 5: But I think seventy was a real turn. 139 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 4: You have some really I think doable and habits that 140 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 4: I think everyone can employ. That make a huge difference. 141 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: And I do some of these things too. So it's 142 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 4: interesting you say you don't eat before noon, which we 143 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: don't eat, and you stop eating around seven pm. 144 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, yeah. 145 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 5: I think you really need to let your body everybody 146 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 5: time to you know, just process what you put in it. 147 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: I mean that to me, that's just common sense. But 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: also over the years, I grew up in a church 149 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 5: I'm no longer a part of, but they would go, 150 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: they would fast, and I found there are times when 151 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 5: you really just need to just let your body sort 152 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 5: of you know, recalibrate. And also I think just clear 153 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 5: your mind. It's amazing once you're not eating, how clear 154 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 5: things become when you're not focused on what am I 155 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 5: going to eat for lunch and what I'm gona eat 156 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 5: for dinner. You know, we're always in that process. When 157 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: you can let it go for four or five days, 158 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 5: it does amazing things. 159 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: How much of this for you has just been good genes. 160 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: What's kind of the family background there? You got healthy folks, 161 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: fairly fit folks. 162 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 5: Well, you know, my family background is a little you know, 163 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 5: I never knew my dad. Through one of the ancestry 164 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 5: things I discovered I had a brother and two sisters 165 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 5: that I didn't know I had. So I'm not really 166 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 5: sure how much you know at this stage in life. 167 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: I don't have, you know what some family members have, 168 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 5: the diabetes, some heart issues, all that, and I think 169 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 5: because of you know, lifestyle for. 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: Those parts and Ernie, it should be pointed out. And 171 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 4: this is remarkable. You are a two time cancer survivor, 172 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: and I would argue at cancer Thriver, did that change 173 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 4: your habits or how did that affect where you are 174 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: today at seventy eight. 175 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 5: Well, it affected me in the sense that I realized 176 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 5: that at some point I'm going to die a little. 177 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 5: But you know, the reality is that this is very 178 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 5: short term. I mean, we're not here forever, and we 179 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 5: can get into denial. I'm feeling pretty good. I think 180 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 5: I live to be one hundred and twenty. You know, 181 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 5: I lost four friends in the past week, and so 182 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 5: suddenly you become aware that life is really precious. You 183 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 5: need to live it on terms that you can feel 184 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 5: good about. And so it just makes you more aware 185 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 5: of being in this amazing experience and really enjoying it 186 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 5: and not getting so caught up in a lot of 187 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 5: things that really have nothing to do with your existence, 188 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 5: you know, So I think just that awareness. And the 189 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 5: second time I had recho cancer, I came close to dying. 190 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 5: The doctor basically said I was lucky. But when you 191 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 5: have that experience, you know that you know every day 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 5: is it's a gift. And I don't want to lose 193 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 5: that sense of just really appreciating it, because you know, 194 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 5: people wake up one day and suddenly things are are different. 195 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 5: And so yeah, that just makes me more aware of 196 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 5: appreciating the people in my life, you know, my wife, 197 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 5: my kids, our relationships, and so getting caught up in 198 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 5: things that I have no control over. 199 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: This is amazing to sit here, Ernie and I have 200 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: to say, and we weren't kidding. I am a Ghostbuster's fanatic, 201 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: and to be talking to you here is kind of 202 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to go as far as 203 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: saying emotional thing, but it is really. I mean, I'm 204 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: a kid. I'm giddy here talking to this Ghostbuster. But 205 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: the thing I want to talk to you about is 206 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: your health, your spirituality, your relationship. You've been the same, 207 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 2: we haven't even been married almost fifty years now. It's cool. 208 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: What do you think about that evolution You've had maybe 209 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: the past forty years to where that role was even 210 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: so important to you and the career was so important 211 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: to you. And we're sitting here now and I'm just 212 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: like a kid wanting to hear about life from you 213 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: now and not necessarily to go back to the Ghostbuster stet. 214 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you hope that you know, in all the years, 215 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 5: you have something that you can share. You know, my 216 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 5: grandmother said that she was very religious and spiritual, and 217 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 5: she would say the Bible says Jesus is the light 218 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 5: of the world, but we're all lights of the world. 219 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 5: We're all examples to people what God can do or 220 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 5: examples of what he can't do. And so you always 221 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 5: want to be if I'm going to be, you know, 222 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: in a seventy eight year old man, I want to 223 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 5: be a healthy, seventy eight year old man. I don't 224 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 5: want to be a guy who has no money. I 225 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 5: want to you know, I want to live a life 226 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: that hopefully inspire someone. And getting Ghostbusters was it was 227 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 5: very It was a challenge in so many levels, but 228 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 5: out of that struggle, it made me a better person. 229 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 5: It made me sort of face some realities and grow up. 230 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 5: And so it's all been a real blessing. 231 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I don't. 232 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 5: I've always believed because I see a lot of young people, 233 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 5: I believe we're guided, and I believe that guidance is available. 234 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 5: So I've always sort of relied on that because I 235 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: tell kids, the only exceptional thing about me is I'm 236 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 5: not exceptional, you know what I mean. As a kid, 237 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 5: I wasn't I couldn't play sports. I couldn't play sports, 238 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 5: but I chose not to play sports. I wasn't tall, 239 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 5: I wasn't sure. I could sing but not that good, 240 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: you know, I didn't have anything. 241 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: I kind of go, I'm the guy. 242 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 5: You know, I'm fairly intelligent, but I'm not the you know, 243 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 5: none of those things. And so what do I have 244 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 5: to rely on? And that is that source that knows 245 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 5: why I'm here and will guide me to what it 246 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: is I'm intended to do. But I have to you know, 247 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 5: sometimes fast, but just quiet myself so I can hear 248 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 5: what that guidance is. And I think most people just 249 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 5: trying to believe they're smart enough to figure it out, 250 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 5: and we're not. 251 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: You know, we're not. And so I've learned over the 252 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: years of trust to trust. 253 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 5: And I had to say when I say God because 254 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 5: people think I'm telling you to go to church and 255 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 5: do something I'm not. I think we all have access 256 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 5: to that, but most of us. 257 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: Just on the north I feel the same exact way 258 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 4: you are talking to me, because I especially when you've 259 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 4: lived enough life and you've been through enough stuff, I 260 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 4: do think that there are there is a higher power 261 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 4: out there that's guiding you, and you just have to 262 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 4: be looking forward and listening to it. 263 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 3: You said you were looking for why we are all here? 264 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: Do you know why we are here? Have you figured 265 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 3: that out? 266 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 267 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: I think we're here to, you know, to make the 268 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 5: this world this experience, you know, to to lift each 269 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 5: other up, you know, to connect. People ask me about 270 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 5: my belief in God and the devil, and I believe 271 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 5: in love and fear separates us, and I think love 272 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 5: units us, and when we're into something that separates us, 273 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 5: you know, causes us to judge each other separately, differently 274 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: to justify, you know, doing bad things, even though we 275 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 5: said we're justified because they deserve it. But I think 276 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: love is what unites us together. And I think to 277 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: reflect that love. I was told the story a long 278 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 5: time ago about a guy who's in a dark, murky 279 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 5: room and he's so afraid because there's a snake in 280 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: the corner, and he was so afraid to be bidden. 281 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 5: And then just for a brief moment, a light came 282 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: on and he saw that the snake was really a 283 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 5: rope that was sort of you know, cail up and so. 284 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 5: But the light went out, but he was the room 285 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 5: was never the same because that little bit of light 286 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 5: showed him something that it was an enlightenment. And I 287 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 5: think that's what we do for each other. You know, 288 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 5: there are places that may never see guys like you, 289 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 5: but just having the experience of talking to you, it 290 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 5: suddenly shines a light on other possibilities. And then that 291 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 5: allows me then to you know, to grow and to 292 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: see things in a different way. 293 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: And it sounds like you embrace it as it comes, 294 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: or I think so many people I'm not sure we've 295 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: all gotten into this before. Why I need to have 296 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: this impact. I want to change people eyes by doing this. 297 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna come up with the right book. I'm going 298 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: to give the right tips, I'm going to have the 299 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: right TikTok, I'm going to give the right advice. All 300 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: these things where we're trying to manipulate. You are inspiring 301 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: people just by wearing a T shirt on a red carpet. 302 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: So for you, I mean, do you embrace You might 303 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: have never thought all of this was going to happen, 304 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: but as you have, you gone about your life that 305 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: way and that this was unexpected. 306 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think for. 307 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 5: Me it's I have to get out of trying to 308 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: manipulate because their tendency is like whoa they saw the 309 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 5: T shirt. 310 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: I better I'm gonna come up with a health book 311 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just don't have make money on this, 312 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, At one moment, man, I kind 313 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: of gold it hold it. You know. 314 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 5: It's that coming from lack as opposed to you know, 315 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 5: my life is full of everything I need. So let 316 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: me live my life and if something comes out of that, 317 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 5: if the universe has something in store, I'm ready to 318 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 5: embrace it, receive it. 319 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm happy to. 320 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 5: But when I get into getting up in the morning 321 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 5: and I'm gonna do this, and you know, I don't 322 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 5: do the social media thing. 323 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: I know everybody says I should. I have someone who 324 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: kind of does it for me. 325 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 5: But when I start going to parties because somebody's going 326 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 5: to be there and they're going to see me, and 327 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: then they'll see me, and then I'll get this roll 328 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 5: and then I'll no. 329 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: Because yeah, when you're chasing something, when you're chasing something, 330 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: we're trying to control something, it never works out the 331 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: way you want it to, does it? 332 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: Reships? You know? 333 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 5: I think relationships when I'm in a relationship because this 334 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 5: guy knows somebody or he's that you know I'm doing, 335 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: I'm hanging out because maybe they might like. It's one 336 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: thing if you just like someone or you know too, 337 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 5: But why am I here? And I have to constantly 338 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 5: question myself. It's like, no, it's you know, I'm you know, 339 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 5: I've been married for all these many years because I 340 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 5: really really liked my wife. 341 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: I mean she's really kind of cod with. I enjoyed 342 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: being with her. 343 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 5: But you know, I think because of a look or 344 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 5: because of something that I just think that's gets sidetracked. 345 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: I dug deep. 346 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: I know I was so excited to talk to you 347 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 4: because I was digging deep about you and your wife. 348 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 4: And I know you got married really really young. We 349 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 4: got married younger first time too, but you were even younger. 350 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: I think you were eighteen, right, yeah. 351 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was. In fact, she hadn't quite a 352 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: turn sixteen. 353 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 4: Wow. 354 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: So that was what people did where I'm from. 355 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was Michigan, said, Michigan in Michigan. 356 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, my parents got married at eighteen in Michigan and 357 00:17:58,520 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 4: had me at nineteen. 358 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 3: That's yeah, I get it. 359 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: It were ben Harbor Route on both of you all, are. 360 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: You Betton Harbor? 361 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 5: Yeah? 362 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: My mom went to Betton Harbor High. That's crazy. 363 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 4: But my dad went to Saint Joe and my mom 364 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 4: went to Betton Harbor. They graduated in nineteen seventy one. 365 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 4: They're very young still, but they're Yeah, there's just a 366 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: few years younger than you. There's seventy they're going to 367 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 4: be seventy two in. 368 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: August, right right, Yeah, Yeah, I graduated in sixty four. 369 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 5: In fact, I was just back there giving the commencement 370 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 5: speech from my sixtieth anniversary from when I graduated. 371 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: That is so cool. 372 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 5: And I grew up in this project, these government projects 373 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 5: that's on this street, and so the city council they 374 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 5: renamed the street Ernie Hudson Way, the street I grew 375 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: up on, which was really I think hadn't been any 376 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 5: other street. It wouldn't have, but it I just was 377 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: so because you come right out of the projects and 378 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 5: any place you're going to go, you're on that street. 379 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 5: And that was really kind of cool. But I was 380 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 5: just back there. I love South was it. 381 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 4: Oh it's gorgeous and in the summertime it's especially gorgeous. 382 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: Well, my mom grew up on Gary Avenue. 383 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 4: I don't know if you know that street, but that 384 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 4: was where I used to go visit my grandmother. 385 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: There was nine kids in a three bedroom house. 386 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: So wow. 387 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: But I know, so the roots, the roots are real. 388 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 4: But your your wife, So this is your second wife, 389 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 4: but you all still married fairly young. But you were 390 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 4: together for nine years before you got married. 391 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, once the first marriage, we should have 392 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 5: been good friends and inspire each other. I would not 393 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 5: have gone to college or have done any of the 394 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 5: things that happened without my first way. She was amazing, brilliant. 395 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 5: She went from literally being in the ninth grade to 396 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 5: getting a paged Wow, and that was with no help 397 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 5: from anyone other than just our following that GUYE. But 398 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 5: she's amazing. But we as a marriage, we were. But 399 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 5: I have two amazing sons that came out of it. So, 400 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: but but that showed me how difficult marriage is, and 401 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 5: I thought, I'll never do that again. But once I 402 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 5: met my wife now and we've been together for a 403 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 5: long time, but it took me almost ten years before 404 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm not doing that yet. 405 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it. 406 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, wait, I'm asking for a friend here. You 407 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 2: got it. It was really for you a matter of 408 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: I've been married once. I just don't want to do 409 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: that again. Versus there was anything you were questioning about 410 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: your relationship with your now wife. The ladiship was good. 411 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: You just didn't want to put the label on it. 412 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 5: Well, the relationship was good, but you But I got married, 413 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 5: we had two children right away. You know, I think 414 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 5: starting my life out, I think that just creates some 415 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 5: difficulties here. When the marriage ended, the kids came with me, 416 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 5: which I didn't expect. I'm like, I never heard of that. 417 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 5: I just like, what do you mean? You know, but 418 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 5: she was working on her degree and all that. So 419 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 5: having my two sons is the three of us. And 420 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 5: I was really also reluctant because you know, I've read 421 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 5: the cinder of Us story and how much I love her, 422 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 5: I don't know her relationship with my sons, that's a 423 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 5: different thing. And do I bring So it was a 424 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 5: lot of things going on also, I'll be honest, you know, 425 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 5: the whole racial thing was also an issue to some extent, 426 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 5: and a lot of those fears that we hopefully we 427 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 5: grow and we learn, but there with us, you know, 428 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 5: we get this stuff when we're kids and we have 429 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: to work our way through it if we're really sincere. 430 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: So you know, there's a I do a show and 431 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: beat which. 432 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 5: We've probably talked to the family business on BET and 433 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 5: so now there's a beat and I had. 434 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: To think twice, do I bring my wife to the 435 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: BT thing? Now? 436 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 5: I know that's something that it's silly, but you kind 437 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 5: of go, I don't want her an awkward situation now 438 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 5: that there's nothing that says it would be awkward, but 439 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 5: it is. And you know, so we have this, we're 440 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 5: in this society and we have these things that we 441 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 5: have to So when you ask what else was it? 442 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 5: I mean, there was a lot of things going on, 443 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 5: but you kind of go, but this is my life 444 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 5: companion and this is I'm committed to her, and she 445 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 5: was kind enough to allow me to grow up. My 446 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 5: first wife would not have been that pation. I wouldn't 447 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 5: be here because that's it. But no, But but she 448 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 5: was kind enough to see in me what many times 449 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 5: I didn't see myself and I'll always be great. 450 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I was. 451 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what answer I was expecting. But you 452 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: make such a point that when you were dating, we're 453 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 2: talking about early seventies, late sixties. I have the timing 454 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 2: right at much different time. And where were you all 455 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 2: at the time when you were. 456 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I was doing a play in Minneapolis, and 457 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: we met while I was in Minneapolis, and I eventually 458 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 5: came back to California. This is when I was really 459 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 5: sort of starting out early, and she came out to California. 460 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 5: We weren't living together, but she was. She was committed 461 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: to me in a way that I didn't. I didn't 462 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 5: I didn't understand it. Wow, And she saw something that 463 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 5: it took me a while to see, you know, and 464 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 5: I realized that it was always there, but it took 465 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: me a while to even admit it to myself that 466 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 5: this is. 467 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: This is my person, you know. 468 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 5: But she was always very patient and like I said, 469 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 5: at times when I'm kind of go, wow, you're still here. 470 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: Only harp on harp on this. But I because Ernie 471 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: Robes and I here and I deal with I don't 472 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: talk to you about it that much. But it's always 473 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: something there, and you end up feeling ridiculous, right, Ernie, 474 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: But for even thinking about you're with a partner who 475 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: is not black and taking to an event where there's 476 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: mostly black folks, or whether these black folks are going 477 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: to think about me I ain't black enough? Or why 478 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: are you bringing this white girl? Of all those things. 479 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: He's shaking his head. I don't talk to you about it, 480 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: and it's almost silly to think anybody's going to think anything. 481 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: Any any loving person out there, human being doesn't care 482 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: who you're dating, right, But it's still always in the 483 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: back of your mind. How has that played into you, say, 484 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: an event here or there? But how much has the 485 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: racial component, over the decades now kind of played into 486 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 2: your career and relationship and being in the public eye. 487 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you never know, you know, And 488 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: I bring it up. 489 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 5: I brought up this morning because I think it is 490 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: something that we Yeah, I mean, like I said, how 491 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 5: black are do you? 492 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: You know? What do people think? I will say? 493 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 5: And I think about like I said, they've been I 494 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: was thinking about you know, I'm going to and she'll 495 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 5: definitely be with me, but I don't know if she 496 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 5: was going to an all white event and she said, listen, 497 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: I'd rather you stay home. 498 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: And how would I feel about that? You know what 499 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: I mean? So it kind of goes both ways. 500 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 5: But I think, you know, because you want to, you know, 501 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 5: you are part of a community, and I know who 502 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: I am and where I'm from, and but you you 503 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 5: know me. You you just have to trust. But it's 504 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 5: always there, you know, and hopefully the younger generations, but 505 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 5: it seems as opposed to growing past it with sort 506 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 5: of doubling down. And one of the and I grew 507 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 5: up in Bend Harbor Saint Joe, which was twin cities. 508 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 5: Well it's not really a twin city when you look at. 509 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 3: How yep yep, we know, I know. 510 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: And it breaks my heart. I was just back there 511 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: and I kind of go. 512 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 5: I go to Saint Joe if I want to have 513 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 5: a good meal, but I come to Bendon Harbor and 514 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: I kind of go. And I remember when Benton Harbor 515 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 5: was a thriving industrial city, you know, when I was 516 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 5: a kid, you know, I was one of the first 517 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 5: group of kids that integrated the high school, but as 518 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: opposed to really opening up to us, the school segregated us. 519 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 5: So even though the school was integrated, we were in 520 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 5: a different category, and so it limited my education. So 521 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 5: later on, when I went to Yale School of Drama, 522 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 5: I'm dealing with kids who were introduced to things in 523 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 5: preschool that I didn't even get in high school. So, 524 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 5: you know, so it's all those things that we carry 525 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 5: that we try to work through. But in responding to 526 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 5: what you just said, it's it's it's there. I like 527 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: to think it's not and I trust God and the 528 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 5: humanity all of that, but once in a while the 529 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 5: prayers up in weird. 530 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: Ways and I have to go you know, I you know, 531 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: it's yeah, but. 532 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. TJ and I were walking down 533 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 4: the street. You remember this yesterday We were holding hands 534 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 4: and I said, wow, could we could you and I 535 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 4: have done this fifty years ago. I just said this 536 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 4: to you yesterday because I just thought, you know, we 537 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 4: take for granted that we feel safe, relatively safe, you know, 538 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,239 Speaker 4: being able to be us as a couple, and to 539 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: hear that you went through this forty years ago, and 540 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: you know what you all must have faced and how 541 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 4: that must have affected your relationship in some way, and 542 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 4: maybe it. 543 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: Brought you closer together. 544 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 4: I don't know how you would categorize how you all 545 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: got through it together. 546 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 547 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 5: I think a lot of it was things that you know, 548 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 5: that I brought into the situation. People have been very honestly. 549 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 5: I can't really, I can't say I've never had any experiences. 550 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: You know, people have been really honestly. 551 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 5: I as we moved into neighborhoods that people kind of 552 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 5: backed up a little bit, becarecause they think you're asking 553 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 5: for something. But I'm pretty self sufficient. I don't need 554 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 5: to borrow any sugar. I'm good. But when I relaxed, 555 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 5: I mean, we were in Kansas City. I was doing 556 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 5: a play. This is back in seventy six, and you know, 557 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 5: like I said, people you know have always been very kind. 558 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 5: But an old lady, an old white lady, came up, 559 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 5: really nice, you know, grandmotherly type, and she said, can 560 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 5: I say something? And I thought she was going to 561 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 5: and she just viewed this most awful racial stuff. 562 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: Well, no, it was. 563 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: It's just when that happens, it's like I didn't expect that. 564 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 5: I don't I don't even know how to respond, and 565 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 5: then you think later on how I should have responded. 566 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 5: But then you know, sometimes it's unfortunate. But over the years, 567 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 5: coming through raising our kids, I'm never you know, it's 568 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 5: unfortunate that it's sort of always there, and then sometimes 569 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 5: I overreact. We bought a house in one of the 570 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 5: mountain communities and I was shooting a shill in Canada, 571 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 5: and so the first weekend we got a chance to 572 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 5: come home and be in that house. 573 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: It was right before Christmas. 574 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 5: And I wake up early in the morning and I 575 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 5: hear there's some people out front, and the sun is 576 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 5: just coming up, and there's a truck full. 577 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Of guys, white guys. 578 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 5: And I heard about the Aryan brother was up in 579 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 5: the mountains, and so I'm kind of a little bit cautious, 580 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 5: and I look out the window and there in this 581 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: truck and they're getting out on my lawn and I think, 582 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 5: oh my god, they're going to burn across in my yard. 583 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 5: And so I'm like, you know, growing up, I've heard 584 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: stories and I always said, whatever happened to me, Oh, 585 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 5: hell no, it's not going to happen. So I grabbed 586 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 5: my gun and my wife from what's going I'm like, no, 587 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 5: I got this, this, I got. 588 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: Even waiting for this moment. 589 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for. 590 00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 4: No. 591 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 6: Man, I go to downstairs in the front door and 592 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 6: they're all out there talking, you know, and they got 593 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh yeah. 594 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: So I counted to three through the door and I said, 595 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: hold it right there. 596 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: And then they kind of dropped the things that the 597 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 5: little wood that I thought was cross, and they were 598 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 5: like these little Christmas decorations. They were going around and 599 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 5: just you know, they knew we weren't there. 600 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 6: They were putting little little Christmas trees. And it took 601 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 6: me a moment to process. And then and then I 602 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 6: tried to hide the gun and they got in that 603 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 6: truck so fast, literally the truck peel rubber getting away, and. 604 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 5: One of the guys became friends. We laughed about it 605 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 5: to this day. But every time I think, I know 606 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: what's going on, so I just have to trust God, 607 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 5: trust you, trust the humanity and all of us. And 608 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 5: realized this whole racial thing is just some kind of 609 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 5: construct but we it rears up in weird in the 610 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 5: weirdest way. 611 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: But a lot of. 612 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 5: Times you fear things that you think. But I realized 613 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 5: how much is it really going on in my life? 614 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 5: And honestly, now you can say you would have had 615 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 5: a bigger career if you hadn't you know, done this 616 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 5: or that? 617 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: But who knows. 618 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: As funny as that story is, I still don't think 619 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: your reaction was an overreaction. I think I think a 620 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 2: truckfule of white dudes pulls up and I'll pick up 621 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: jump it out. I think, yeah, no, I. 622 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: You know. 623 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 5: We we have our moments, you know, and but we 624 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 5: do the best we can. And like I said, getting 625 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 5: past all that and just seeing my grandmother would say, 626 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 5: because I didn't have a dad, the hardest thing for 627 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 5: me is to accept the fact that I couldn't figure 628 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 5: out as a little kid why I don't have a father. 629 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 5: I mean, other kids knew who their father was and 630 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 5: they in the house, but I didn't have a father. 631 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 5: My brother had a father, he knew who his father was. 632 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 5: And so her, seeing me struggle with it, she set 633 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 5: me down and said, you know, we may never know 634 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 5: who your earthly father is, but God is your father. 635 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 5: And I go, yeah, mom, but God is everybody's father. 636 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 5: And she said, but everybody don't know it, and I'm 637 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 5: telling you so you will always know who you belong to. 638 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 5: And it's not just God as your father, but it's personal. 639 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 5: You can talk to him and the universe will respond 640 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 5: and answer. You just have to answer the right questions. 641 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 5: But God is and I have to see that God in. 642 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: All of us. 643 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 5: That's really what makes us, that one that we talk 644 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 5: about all men created equal. That's in that spirit. And 645 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 5: when I don't see people from that perspective, then there's 646 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 5: a problem. Just get reminded sometimes we're all this no, 647 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 5: all this nonsense. We're all connected. 648 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: Yeah we are. 649 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 4: And and you know what, even with that spirit in mind, 650 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: life is hard. Relationships are hard. We obviously wanted to 651 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 4: pick your brain about your incredible physique, and obviously you 652 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 4: have a lot of words of wisdom, but I am 653 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 4: so interested in your relationship with your wife as well. 654 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 4: How do you make it not just last because some 655 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 4: people say, okay, well we've been married this many years, 656 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 4: so that means we are a success. But you talked 657 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: about how much you like your wife. 658 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 3: What you know. 659 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 4: I love asking people who not just have a forty 660 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: year plus marriage, but people who have a forty plus 661 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 4: year successful marriage, like a loving, fun marriage. 662 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: Those are so rare. What is the secret? 663 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 4: What have you learned? 664 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: Well? 665 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 5: What I learned is for a long time I was 666 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 5: sort of blaming her in a weird way. Not I mean, 667 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 5: this is when I say blame me, I mean of 668 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 5: why can't you work with me? And we can do that. 669 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 5: I love the fact you guys are working together. I 670 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,239 Speaker 5: think it's beautiful, and so you should do that. And 671 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 5: I realized that that I'd say, I talk about us 672 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 5: in the universe. It's not her responsibility to make me happy, 673 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? So my thing is let 674 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 5: me focus on the things that I love and not 675 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 5: on the things that I don't because sometimes you know, 676 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 5: sometimes you know, I mean being you know. 677 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: We were just we took three trips together back to back. 678 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know what, Sometimes you know, it's 679 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 5: like I don't have a mom. Okay, I don't need 680 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 5: you to be my mom here to remind me of 681 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 5: but I go, but I have to what is it 682 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 5: that I love about her? What I appreciate about her? 683 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 5: And those have to be the things in the forefront 684 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,439 Speaker 5: of my mind. If you aren't conscious, most of us 685 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 5: reach a point in life where we can tell you 686 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 5: right off the back of what we don't like, all 687 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 5: the things that it's clear I don't like this and I. 688 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: Don't like that. 689 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 5: But when you say, but what do you really like 690 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 5: or what do you really love? It's a struggle because 691 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 5: I don't know what do I really appreciate about? So 692 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 5: taking time to really appreciate what she brings sort of 693 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 5: relations she'll just do amazing, just nice stuff. 694 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: This is a nice person. I just appreciate her. 695 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 5: But I have to you know, I have my moments, 696 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 5: you know, and we all have them, but I just 697 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 5: don't dwell on them, because when you dwell on things, 698 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 5: I've almost apologize. But my grandmother said, we all have 699 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: this garden of even and we plant things in it 700 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 5: by what we see and what we believe. And the 701 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,720 Speaker 5: more you think about it, the more it begins to grow. 702 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 5: And suddenly this thing is in your world and you 703 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 5: you've created it through your belief, and you're you're constantly feeding. 704 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 5: So you have to you have to nourish the things 705 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 5: that you love about each other. And sometimes that's gonna 706 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 5: be a challenge. That's what it's about. And I go, I, 707 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 5: you know, there aren't that many people that I can 708 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 5: really say I can spend time with, and she is 709 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 5: the one that I go, Okay, we're in this thing together, 710 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 5: and I don't you know, yeah, they say, I have 711 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 5: a lot of friends, but not like you know, weird. 712 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 5: She's she's that, you know, she's a part of me, 713 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 5: you know, the two and one as they say, I 714 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 5: see it that way, and yeah, I mean, you know, 715 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 5: it's But also, you know, you got to love yourself, 716 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 5: you know, And I think people who can't give love 717 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 5: to themselves will probably find a hard time giving love 718 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 5: to anybody else. 719 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: You know, you really got to appreciate yourself. And sometimes 720 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: we have to remind ourselves because we're harder on ourselves 721 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: sometimes than to anybody else. And if you're not really 722 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: nurturing and loving yourself, then you know, we blame someone. 723 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 5: Else for that. Lab But we really need to get 724 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 5: to ourselves. We trust the universe to nurture us, and 725 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 5: we talk about health. Honestly, it all starts with spirit. 726 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 5: When your spirit is in the right place, it shows 727 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 5: through yourselves, it shows through your smile, it shows through 728 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 5: your relationship. Spirit is the thought, you know. So that's 729 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 5: the first thing before you worry about how do I 730 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 5: fix it physically? 731 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: How do I take some medicine. We need to nurture 732 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: ourselves with. 733 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 5: That love and appreciation and whether anybody else gives it too. 734 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: It's ice. Oh you're in a T shirt. Oh you 735 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: got arms. But I feel about myself because I'm looking 736 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: for them to give me that feeling. It's just not 737 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: going to work. 738 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 5: If I'm looking by my wife to make me feel 739 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 5: okay about me, it's not gonna work. I need to 740 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 5: do some work for myself and then I can. You know, 741 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 5: I just want her to be happy. I mean, if 742 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 5: she's happy, I'm good. I'm like, what do you need? Okay, 743 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 5: if you want me to open the door, I'll open 744 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 5: the door. We got to do a thing about which 745 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 5: way the toilet paper rolls. I'm like, you know, I 746 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 5: don't care, honestly, if it makes you happy, I just 747 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 5: want you to be happy. 748 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 2: Was telling me about that earlier who won that fight? 749 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 2: Who won that fighter? 750 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I. 751 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 5: Remember, it's not it's not you know. Now, there's some 752 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 5: things that I kind of go no, no, no, we 753 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 5: need to you know. But for the most part, I'm 754 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 5: good and I want. 755 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: To hurt of me good. 756 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,879 Speaker 2: And for the record, everybody, the toilet paper roll goes 757 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: from underneath the top. I like at the top the 758 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 2: topic what was yours? 759 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: Ernie tops hers the top down? 760 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 2: Okay, I always like mine to come from underneath, though. 761 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't think understand that. I don't think 762 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: it matters. 763 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 3: We've had this conversation and Sabine and I both like 764 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 3: it from the top down, so we want But you'r you. 765 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 2: Wanted it the other way, right, Ernie, And it was 766 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 2: just your habit. 767 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:47,479 Speaker 1: Honestly, I just put the toilet paper on the toilet paper. 768 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 3: Women use it more, I guess. 769 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: I guess. You know. Every once in a while I 770 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: forget to lower the seat and it's like, I'm not 771 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: trying to, you know, just just be happy, and I 772 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: cann't be you know whatever, Ernie. 773 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 2: Is there anybody who has been happier, more excited and 774 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: thrilled by this newfound sexiest man attention that you get 775 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 2: that you're getting than your wife. She already knew what 776 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 2: you were working with. Now everybody else is noticing. 777 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, she doesn't seem to be surprised, but I, you know, 778 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 5: I don't know. She travels with me now everyhere. 779 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 3: That's hilarious. She is holding on tight. She knows. 780 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, because used to be on the 781 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 5: kids who are in school and all these things, but 782 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 5: now it's like, where are we going? 783 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, you sure you want to go because 784 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,399 Speaker 1: you don't have to go home? No, no, no, there's 785 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: two tickets. 786 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 787 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 4: I love that. And were you all like were you 788 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 4: friends first? I mean, what where's your feeling on that? 789 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 4: With the with the friendship is being a huge part 790 00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 4: of it. It sounds like that's a big part of 791 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: your reallyftionship. Is your friendship. 792 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 5: Absolutely if they hadn't been, I think the friendship, the 793 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 5: friendship and also those moments. You know, I dated a 794 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 5: lot of the people when at first, but it was 795 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 5: always conditional, you know, like if I got sick, they're like, okay, 796 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 5: you know what, this medicine in the cabinet, and you 797 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 5: call me when you're feeling better because I got stuff 798 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 5: to do. 799 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: But she would be like, I'll call it sick and working. 800 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 5: You can go, know, but she would she would take 801 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 5: the time, and I needed someone to take the time 802 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,480 Speaker 5: to make me feel sometimes that I'm special. 803 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 4: I read that you said, a lot of people may 804 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 4: have said they loved you, but she was the one 805 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 4: who said she liked you exactly. 806 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: Liking is important. I just wanted to like you. Can 807 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, you can love me and try to kill. 808 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: Hard, to kill somebody you life though, good point, good parts. 809 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 5: Person, you know what I mean? Because sometimes I need you. 810 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 5: I just I don't feel like, yeah, you know you 811 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 5: love me, but just just just like me. Don't don't 812 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 5: look at me like I'm you know, and what your friends? 813 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 5: You like your friends? 814 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It's not you know. 815 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, Ernie, what what you've talked about the love 816 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 2: hate relationship you have with your character from Ghostbusters? 817 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: Right? 818 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 4: It was? 819 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 2: I think I have you correct me here. We all'll 820 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 2: have to go through the whole history. It was a 821 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 2: part that was originally written for somebody else, for Eddie 822 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: Murphy in particular. He wasn't going to do the movie. 823 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 2: You got the part, but it was a much bigger 824 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: role for your character. Then by the time you got 825 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 2: there and it was time to shoot, they had really 826 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 2: cut things down on your character and it became what 827 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 2: it was. You have a love hate relationship, you said, 828 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 2: But Ernie, what has that role. Now, where do you 829 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 2: place that in the importance or even a game changing 830 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,000 Speaker 2: time of your life. You said you might have lost 831 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 2: out on some roles even because of it, But what 832 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 2: did that role do for you to help you if 833 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 2: you will rather p first professionally. But you also spoke 834 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 2: about you had some growing up to do and face 835 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 2: some reality and maybe that role in that transition had 836 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 2: something to do with it. Is just I wonder where 837 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 2: you place that role for you now in your life. 838 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,439 Speaker 5: Well, you know when it came out, when I first 839 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 5: got the movie. You know, after many auditions, I got 840 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 5: the role. 841 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: I fought the role that really launched my career. 842 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 5: That suddenly, now I'm in a major studio movie with 843 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 5: big movie stars, and when this movie comes out, it's 844 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 5: number one in the box office. 845 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: My career is going to change. And none of that happened. 846 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 5: People became They used to joke about I came to 847 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 5: Hollywood to be Richard famous and realize it to be 848 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 5: poor and popular. You know a lot of people signing autographs. 849 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 5: But it was like, I didn't get paid that much 850 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 5: to do the movie. And now I'm in this apartment 851 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 5: and people are coming to my front door excited and 852 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 5: so it didn't do that. It forced me to kind 853 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 5: of reevaluate and realize that I'm an actor. Sot me 854 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 5: go to work. I did a lot of TV shows, 855 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 5: a lot of thinking. I was really focusing on trying 856 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 5: to work in movies. But I did, you know, uh 857 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 5: Duke's and Hazard Buzz and Buddies, Little House on the Prairie. 858 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 5: I just did a lot. I just started working because 859 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 5: again I was a single dad. I had to take 860 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 5: care of my kids. It just forced me to just 861 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 5: look at it from a different way. I'm not going 862 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,759 Speaker 5: to be that, you know, at least not right now. 863 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 5: And then suddenly the studios. I mean, I couldn't Columbia 864 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 5: who produce a movie. I couldn't even get an audition 865 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 5: there for anything. 866 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 1: So it was just. 867 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 5: Also the relationship, you know, when when things started with 868 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 5: going nuts, my wife we talked about she and we 869 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 5: weren't married then, but she, you know, would talk me 870 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 5: off the cliff because I'm thinking I'm going back to 871 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 5: Ben Harbor now. I just want to knock somebody out. 872 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 5: I want to you know, I want to deal with 873 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 5: it in an aggressive way. And I'm like, no, that's 874 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 5: but if I do these things I'm thinking about. My 875 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 5: career is over, and so how do I herold Ramus 876 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 5: was really an amazing example because I would watch how 877 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 5: he conducted himself, hisself with everybody, and it just it 878 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 5: allowed me a chance to sort of see life from 879 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 5: a different perspective. Career wise, I had to reshuffle redo 880 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 5: some things I did, some commercials I had never intended 881 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 5: to do, did some animated stuff. I just had to 882 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 5: kind of go, this is not the end all and 883 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 5: be all, and I'm going to have to I'm gonna 884 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 5: have to grow up and I'm gonna have to deal 885 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 5: with it differently. It's not going to be that ultimate answer. 886 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 5: And so now over the years, because fans have just 887 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 5: always been supportive, it's been nice, but it's never been that, 888 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 5: you know, big thing that suddenly now I did that movie. 889 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm doing the roles. 890 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 5: The hardest thing I look at my career is haven't 891 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,320 Speaker 5: really I feel like gotten a chance to demonstrate what 892 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 5: I'm capable of doing. I felt like I did it 893 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 5: on stage with a couple of plays that I did, 894 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 5: but in the movies that hasn't happened. That has some 895 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 5: wonderful rolier. I love the role I did in Congo 896 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 5: or The Hand Mocks the Cradle or the Crew or Os. 897 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 5: But finding that role that you know that identifies me. 898 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 5: I'm still luky for that. But Ghostbusters, I think when 899 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 5: I look at it, it it forced me to. 900 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: Just grow up and. 901 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 5: Realize that even if the industry didn't give me all 902 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,319 Speaker 5: the things I wanted, I'm still okay and I still 903 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 5: have value and I'm going to be fine regardless. 904 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: That's what Ghostbusters did for me. 905 00:45:51,440 --> 00:46:01,759 Speaker 4: And you know, we had obviously an abrupt end to 906 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 4: the careers that we had been building. And when you 907 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 4: don't get what you want or even what you deserve 908 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 4: or what you think you're you know, capable of, you're 909 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 4: forced to figure out where your value truly is, how 910 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,439 Speaker 4: you can contribute, and how you can take control over 911 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 4: your own psyche. 912 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 3: And you've worked so hard. 913 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 4: I mean I was looking at your IMBD and I 914 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 4: remember you in Oh Miscongeniality Hello, But like you have 915 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 4: had such a full career, but you've not had the 916 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 4: role that you've wanted or that you deserved or that 917 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 4: you are fully capable of. But that kept you hungry, 918 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 4: kept your working harder. And I don't know, I mean 919 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 4: it's not what we want or what we would have chosen, 920 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 4: and yet at the same time, I see how it's 921 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 4: created this beautiful, just self aware person who your head 922 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 4: is on straight, your heart is in the right place. 923 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,800 Speaker 4: Like very few people, I think, at the end of 924 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 4: their lives can say, wow, look at all I've done. 925 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 4: Wouldn't have been what I chose. But I look at 926 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 4: you and just am really inspired because most people don't 927 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 4: get what they want. Most people don't get the job 928 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 4: they want or their career they have worked hard for. 929 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 4: And look at you, just thriving despite everything and continuing 930 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,320 Speaker 4: to make other people's lives better. I have loved talking 931 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 4: to you and hearing your storyes. 932 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 5: Thank you well. I've enjoyed telling me you guys too. 933 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,279 Speaker 5: You guys actually inspired and I'm so happy for you. 934 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,040 Speaker 5: But again, you guys show what's possible and I just 935 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 5: love it and you both look beautiful. 936 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. 937 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 2: Catch us as seventy eight. Yeah right, but tell folks 938 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 2: as well, You've an executive producer of the family business 939 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 2: show You've Got And again, that is another show that 940 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,440 Speaker 2: has kind of a rabbit fan base out there, and 941 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: that's gonna be something You're really proud of Yeah, I know. 942 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: It's funny. 943 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 5: I was going through the airport and now more people 944 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 5: are coming up with family business and Ghostbusters. I'm like, 945 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 5: I'm a little surprised because when we did it, it 946 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 5: was on BT and I thought, I don't know how 947 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 5: big the audience is going to be. But when we 948 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,719 Speaker 5: went to Netflix and suddenly a lot of a lot 949 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 5: of white friends, but people from all kinds of you know, 950 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 5: have found the show and they love it. 951 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: And I love the fact that Carl Weber, who was 952 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: a creator and writer. 953 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 5: Now he may be executive producer, but he gave me 954 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,080 Speaker 5: a chance to play a character that had been a 955 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 5: little elusive because I'm the patriarch, the head of this family, 956 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 5: and I love the idea that this guy is so 957 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 5: committed to his family and an example of what it's 958 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 5: a black family that are in a position of power 959 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 5: and concerned about the legacy and and and those are 960 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 5: things that I've really just said. A lot of the 961 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 5: work that I've done has been, like you said, cia 962 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,720 Speaker 5: guy or the principal or the warden, some authority figure 963 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,879 Speaker 5: in somebody else's story, but we really don't know much 964 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 5: about that character. 965 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: Whereas this is a show that I get a chance 966 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040 Speaker 1: to be this human being and I love it. 967 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 2: Well man, congrats on everything. And I my absolute last 968 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 2: thing the term the name the black Ghostbuster. What do 969 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 2: you think because I haven't. Many time people make a reference, 970 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 2: they will often say, hey, he was the black Ghostbuster, 971 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 2: you know, the black Ghostbuster. Do you receive that affectionately 972 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 2: or do you think when you hear that? 973 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 5: Well, you know, on more than one occasion when the 974 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,800 Speaker 5: movie came out, someone would say, oh, yeah, yeah, I 975 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 5: heard you in that movie. 976 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: You're in that movie Ghostbusters And I said yeah, and 977 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: they said what part did you play? And I would 978 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,439 Speaker 1: say I'm the black guy and they go, oh yeah. 979 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 5: I don't know how, you know, we're still trying to 980 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 5: see things in black and white. And I'm like, really, 981 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 5: I don't know, but more, I will say, more white. 982 00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 5: This whole black and white thing is so stupid. But 983 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 5: more people other than black, African whatever kids have said 984 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 5: how they identified with that character. By far, more white 985 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 5: kids have come up. Because it's not about that, but 986 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 5: we still want to make it, you know, and if 987 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 5: with my friends, if I'm still the black guy, then 988 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 5: we don't have much of a friendship. 989 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: You know if you sell my white friends, you know, 990 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: if you still my white wife. I mean, I'm doing that. 991 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 2: Is that her laughing? 992 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 5: Back? 993 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: Then? I think it's. 994 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 2: Is that her and there laughing? We heard somebody laughing, 995 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 2: didn't we? 996 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 1: Is she there? 997 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 5: No? 998 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,319 Speaker 1: I'm not sure? No, bear okay, but yeah, no, it's 999 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: too bad that we're still playing that game. I mean, 1000 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,960 Speaker 1: come on, say really, well, we're really there. I just 1001 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: don't get it. 1002 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we hear you, We hear you. 1003 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,240 Speaker 4: I have one last thing, because we actually started talking 1004 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 4: about you and your black T shirt and your incredible, 1005 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,279 Speaker 4: incredible physical well being. What's one thing everybody can do, 1006 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560 Speaker 4: no matter how old they are, that's going to improve 1007 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 4: the way they look and feel. Would you have that 1008 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,319 Speaker 4: one thing? Or at least it could be a couple 1009 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 4: of things. 1010 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1011 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 5: I think the one thing that I would say to 1012 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 5: anyone is just really take the time to think about yourself, 1013 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,280 Speaker 5: to think about just how amazing we're all still uniquely different. 1014 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what it means. Some say where you're 1015 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: because you we're so unique. 1016 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 5: You know, you're a good look at your special or 1017 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,240 Speaker 5: whatever you know, Just find that about yourself. Love yourself. 1018 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 5: That is because when you feel good about yourself. You're 1019 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,840 Speaker 5: inspired to do things when you beat yourself up, and 1020 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 5: then you begin to blame other people so you feel better. 1021 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 5: It just just spirals. So just really, I think the 1022 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 5: biggest thing is I've always loved me. 1023 00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so. I get to live this life. I'm 1024 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: Arinie Hudson. I get to be me. 1025 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 5: And you know, I think everybody should feel that way 1026 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,480 Speaker 5: about themselves, and you know, I think that is the 1027 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 5: most important thing psychologically, mentally, physically. Yeah, just just don't 1028 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 5: don't do the excessive stuff, you know what I mean, 1029 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 5: Just don't do the excessive stuff. And you know, and 1030 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 5: also things are very clear, you know, just don't do 1031 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 5: the dumb stuff. You know, why are you smoking? Don't 1032 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 5: get I don't get why what is that? 1033 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 4: You know? 1034 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 5: Why are we doing it? And a lot of it 1035 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 5: has to do with just not feeling good about itself. 1036 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 5: So if you're really loving yourself, some things you kind 1037 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,120 Speaker 5: of go, I'm not gonna do that to me. 1038 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: You know. 1039 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,320 Speaker 5: I don't drink. Nothing wrong with people drink. I just 1040 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 5: honestly I don't need it. I can feel good without. 1041 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 5: I don't need to do something to make myself have 1042 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 5: a good time, I have a good time playing with 1043 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 5: my dog, you know, so just just answer yourself, is 1044 00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:14,160 Speaker 5: this something I really need? And because that God, that's you, 1045 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 5: that's the spiriting you. So I appreciate this opportunity to 1046 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 5: live this life and I share honted that and once 1047 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,040 Speaker 5: it's all said and done, I just want people say 1048 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 5: you lived a good life. 1049 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank you for that, because you're right, it 1050 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 4: does all start from the mental and everything else flows 1051 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 4: from there. 1052 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 3: So thank Ernie. We're honored to have you on the podcast. 1053 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on. 1054 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 4: You've made our day and I know you're going to 1055 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,920 Speaker 4: make the day for everyone who listens to this to 1056 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,320 Speaker 4: hear your words of wisdom and how you've chosen to 1057 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:47,959 Speaker 4: live your life. 1058 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 1059 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,399 Speaker 5: Thank you guys. I just love and appreciate you so much. 1060 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 5: I'm wishing you all the best from the bottom of 1061 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 5: my heart. I appreciate you, and yeah, I look forward 1062 00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 5: to the next time we talk. 1063 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,359 Speaker 2: There will be another There will be another time. There 1064 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 2: will be another time. Thank you so much. An absolute pleasure. 1065 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,720 Speaker 2: And folks, you can find of course The Family Business 1066 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 2: on Netflix and you can find us on our official 1067 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 2: show page on Instagram at the Amy and oh at 1068 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,600 Speaker 2: Amy and TJ podcast. No the Just Amy and TJ podcast, 1069 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,880 Speaker 2: but for now, folks appreciate you listening. As always, season