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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition. Happy early fourth of July. I

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Speaker 1: arrived to celebrate our nation's birthday. We certainly appreciate all

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Speaker 1: on the first of July, as we now sit essentially

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Speaker 1: it is spreading rapidly across the Democrat Party and we

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Speaker 1: ongoing fallout of debate implosion from Joe Biden and the

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Speaker 1: resulting implosion of his candidacy that has continued to play

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Speaker 1: as for now, By is claiming that he is going

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Speaker 1: fabulous news for those of us who want to see

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump win, because I frankly don't see any way

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Speaker 1: four months out that Joe Biden is capable of winning,

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Speaker 1: and there's lots of data to support that that is true,

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Speaker 1: and we will discuss that in great detail today. Take

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Speaker 1: your calls, answer them on a variety of topics as well.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two.

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Speaker 1: I am solo today because Buck is that jury duty

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Speaker 1: for vardar that it means he's being questioned. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: But major breaking news in the last hour and a

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Speaker 1: half or so, the Supreme Court has sided with Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump on presidential immunity to a large degree in a

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Speaker 1: six to three decision. Big picture, this means that the

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Speaker 1: only case that is going to be completed and go

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg case. We'll talk about that. The New York

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Speaker 1: That sentencing scheduled right now for Thursday of next week.

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Speaker 1: I've got some theories on that, as you might imagine,

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Speaker 1: but let's talk right now about what the presidential immunity

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Speaker 1: case told us, what's going to happen now, and why

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Speaker 1: associated with the failure of their law for law fare attempts.

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Speaker 1: Now not a surprise the way this one broke down.

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Speaker 1: The three liberals on the left in the court disagreeing

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Speaker 1: that the president has a substantial privilege associated with his

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Speaker 1: that are related to his official acts as president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. They took some of the allegations in

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Speaker 1: this complaint filed by Jack Smith and said, we believe

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Speaker 1: these are official acts, which officially takes them off the board.

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Speaker 1: And then they said there remained some acts which while

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Speaker 1: there may be a presumption that they are within presidential privilege.

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Speaker 1: And that's very important because the presumption means presumption that

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Speaker 1: And then there are potentially unofficial acts which could be prosecutable.

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Speaker 1: And again, big picture, what this does is the Jack

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Speaker 1: he'll have his Department of Justice dismiss this case. But

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Speaker 1: I used that example because Biden just did that. Biden

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's an awful president, Biden was acting on the

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Speaker 1: addressed in the Supreme Court. Okay, what about unofficial acts.

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Speaker 1: The example that I've used on this show for some

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Speaker 3: Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean the easy answer is this is going

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Speaker 1: powers that surrounds the presidency. Some acts are clearly official

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Speaker 1: his powers. Other acts, and again I use the example

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Speaker 1: outside the scope of an official act. But when you

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Speaker 1: have a presumptive immunity, it is going to be well

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Speaker 1: nigh in my opinion, impossible to argue that jan six

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Speaker 1: related tweets and behavior that alternate al slates that asking

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Speaker 1: the vice president to engage in an act that arguably

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Speaker 1: is within his constitutional powers. To me, all of that

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Speaker 1: is presumptive immunity. I think it is going to be

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Speaker 1: very hard to argue that those are unofficial acts, not

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Speaker 1: Fanny Willis case. So those cases, to me are both

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Speaker 1: gone now. Now. Judge Chuckkin, to be fair, clearly wants

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Speaker 1: Trump guilty here, as does Jack Smith. It's possible that

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Speaker 1: they will look at all these acts and argue, hey,

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Speaker 1: official powers. She will issue a ruling on that. Then

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Speaker 1: it will go to the DC Court of Appeals. That's

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Speaker 1: a left wing court. They might well rubber stamp Judge

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Speaker 1: Chuckkin's opinion. Then it would go to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: and then the Supreme Court would have to get into

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Speaker 1: the nitty gritty potentially of deciding whether or not these

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Speaker 1: this and say, if Trump wins, it gets dismissed, and

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Speaker 1: so the issue becomes mute, moot, and then moot. They

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Speaker 1: don't have the opportunity or necessity to need to rule

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Speaker 1: on the individual acts themselves. I think that's what the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court is hoping. They have put forward a powerful

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Speaker 1: overall framework that presumes immunity for the president, Democrat, Republican,

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Speaker 1: independent into the future, I believe, because they don't want

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Speaker 1: to create a scenario which is inevitable. I believe if

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Speaker 1: it were allowed to prosecute the president where the president

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Speaker 1: would almost always get charged with crimes because there would

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Speaker 1: always be able claim that it was an unofficial act.

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Speaker 1: Now this is getting complicated, but I'm trying to give

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Speaker 1: more detailed fashion than you're almost gonna hear anywhere else

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Speaker 1: in media. But again, the presumptive immunity is going to

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Speaker 1: be a hurdle that is hard to get over because

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Speaker 1: you have to overcome the presumption. Basically, the Court is saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we believe the president is almost always acting in his

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Speaker 1: official duties. In order to prove that he's not, you

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Speaker 1: have to overcome our presumption of presidential powers, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think any of the acts here are able to

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Speaker 1: do that. I think the president engaging in clear criminal

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Speaker 1: behavior or alleged criminal behavior. For instance, if the president

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Speaker 1: attacked his wife, that would not be protected as an

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Speaker 1: official act. If the president engaged in domestic violence, if

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Speaker 1: official act. Those are easy cases in theory still bring.

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Speaker 1: But this, I believe, effectively ends these cases. I think

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Speaker 1: it's the right decision. I think it's an incredibly important decision,

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Speaker 1: and it will stand the test of time. Whether it's

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Speaker 1: a Democrat or Republican. You guys out there listening right

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Speaker 1: now may in the years ahead come to regret this decision,

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Speaker 1: because there may be a Democrat or someone that you

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Speaker 1: don't like from a political perspective, who makes a decision

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Speaker 1: that you believe is outside the bounds of his presidential authority.

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Speaker 1: What the court is saying is, we're going to presume

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Speaker 1: that the president acts in a lawful manner, and you

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Speaker 1: have to overcome that presumption in order to charge him

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Speaker 1: with an illegal act. We'll take more calls, we'll break

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Speaker 1: down more of this and significantly dive into the political

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Speaker 1: fallout of the Biden debate versus Trump on Thursday as well,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: the Biden team tried to put out the fire that

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Speaker 1: has emerged into massive conflagration. Ever since we all watch

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Speaker 1: Thursday night's ninety minute debate, and the Biden team has

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Speaker 1: been scrambling to try to come up with a different

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Speaker 1: reason why someone other than Joe Biden himself is to blame.

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Speaker 1: This is not a joke, they have to I'm always

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Speaker 1: quoting Biden when I say that not a joke. They

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Speaker 1: have said the makeup artist is to blame for why

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden was so bad on Thursday. They have said

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Speaker 1: all of his advising team needs to be fired. They

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Speaker 1: have said that Biden was believe it or not over prepared.

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Speaker 1: They have said that Biden had a cold. They have

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Speaker 1: said that CNN is to blame. They have said that

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Speaker 1: the debate happened too late at night. And now they

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Speaker 1: are saying the president is really good, but only from

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Speaker 1: ten am to four pm. These are all different defenses

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Speaker 1: the Biden team has put out in their scramble over

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Speaker 1: the past several days. What happens now with the Biden campaign?

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Speaker 1: Does he stay or does he go? We'll talk about

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