1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Final hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: a Monday, a Labor Day. And yes, we are live 4 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: here and we are doing history tonight. I did a 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: bunch of politics a first hour. If you miss that, 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: go download the podcast. I did Medal of Honor Monday 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: second hour, and then a bunch of history second or whatever. 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Have you missed any part of this, including the backstory, 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: go to iHeart Spotify iTunes download a podcast of it. 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna continue with our history on the Battle of Actium. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: Here Mark Antony. He has his Egyptian Queen Cleopatra with him. 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: They have relocated all their money, their ships, they're legions, 13 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: and they've moved it into Greece. Octavian and his wonderful 14 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: general slash Admiral Agrippa, they know they have a problem 15 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: on their hands. That problem is this. Remember, as the 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Great von Klauschwitz said, war is a continuation of politics 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: by other means. This is also a political war. Octavian 18 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: has to try to hold together his support at home. 19 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: That's tenuous at best. Mark Antony is going to invade 20 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: in Italy. He's going to invade, and if he invades, 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: if mark Antony is able to go on the offense, 22 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: if he's able to start the momentum in his direction, 23 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: it very likely costs Octavian this war because if he lands, 24 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: then mark Antony's going to have people, political leaders, kings, 25 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: queens come over to his side. And that's a part 26 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: of this we need to talk about for a moment 27 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: as we pause on the mobilization. Right now, Octavian agrippather 28 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: in Italy, mark Antony and Cleopatra they're in Greece. But 29 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: remember Rome I talked about colonization and the different empires 30 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: that were attached to it. There are different kings of 31 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: different areas, with their troops and their treasure, pledging loyalty 32 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: to the different sides for different reasons. And the reason 33 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go down the list of all 34 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: these people is it's too long, it's too detailed, it's 35 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: too boring, and more importantly, they tend to switch a lot. 36 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: If you actually read the details of this story, you'll 37 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: find that some of the guys who were allied with 38 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: mark Antony were people he had fought and tried to 39 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: kill on the battlefield before, and say with Octavian, and 40 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: sometimes they switch it. Guys are always switching sides, always 41 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: licking their finger and sticking it in the air. Member 42 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: King Herod. Everyone knows that name, King Herod from the Bible, 43 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: King Herod. King Herod's a player in this game too. 44 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: Did you know that he's got troops, he's got money. 45 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Who does he pledge loyalty to? I don't know. There's 46 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: mark Antony, but maybe Octavian. He ends up going with 47 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: mark Antony. You should know for a while. But that's 48 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the way the story goes. If you are winning, and 49 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: it looks like you're winning, then kings and their kingdoms 50 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: will come because you're getting the momentum. And if it 51 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: looks like you're losing, not just kings and kingdoms, your 52 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: own troops, your own senators, your own generals, your own 53 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: admirals will abandon you, and that will be a story here. 54 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: And so Octavian and Agrippa sitting there in Italy, they 55 00:03:54,320 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: know they cannot allow mark Antony to invade Italy. They 56 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: simply can't. They have got to stop him before he 57 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: puts boots on the ground. Well, I guess they're sandals 58 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: before he puts Roman sandals on the ground in Italy. 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: They have got to do something about it. So they 60 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: gather up their troops. They have a large number of 61 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: troops too, I would say, roughly equal to mark Antony's. 62 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Not quite as many, but roughly equal. They gather up 63 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: their troops, they gather up their ships, and they sail 64 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: from Italy over to Greece. Now this is where the 65 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: story gets very interesting from mark Antony and Octavian standpoint. 66 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: To be honest, where do they go first? Do they 67 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: go straight from mark Antony and all his legions and 68 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: their main base, No, of course not. They start taking 69 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: important ports, important islands, little supply line areas that are 70 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: important to mark Antony. Remember, mark Antony supplies his power base, 71 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: it's back in the Eache. Octavian and Agrippa their supplies. 72 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: Their power base is Famidaly. And so they don't attack 73 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: what is strong. They don't go and try to slam 74 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: into mark Antony head to head. He's the great mark Antony, 75 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: He's this amazing general. They start snipping off this little city, 76 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: in this little port, in this little thing. And as 77 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: they do this, the momentum starts to build for Octavian. 78 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: He shouldn't win this starts to build for Octavian. Slowly, 79 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: you get a general here who will switch sides. A 80 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: king there. Octavian and his general Agrippa, they keep grabbing 81 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: these little hinterland areas. And as they're grabbing the hinterland areas, 82 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: Mark Antony is sitting in his power base debating, twiddling 83 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: his thumbs. What do we do? Do we go out? 84 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: What do we not do? Octavian eventually marches his army 85 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: into a high ground position above the harbor. This is important. 86 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: Mark Antony and Cleopatra are in a harbor town. Just 87 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: know that the harbor matters. Their ships are there, their 88 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: troops are there. Octavian is in the high ground above 89 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: this area. Mark Antony, he's dying to fight. He has 90 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: the troop strength, he has the money, He's ready to go. 91 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: He's challenging Octavian to single combat. You me sword spears. 92 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Octavian just ignores him. Mark Antony takes his amazing legions, 93 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: and they were amazing, and he marches them out to 94 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: have a big land battle with Octavian, and Octavian says, nah, 95 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good here. I don't feel like it, 96 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: and he just continues a grip of like. I keep 97 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: calling him general slash admiral because he was amazing at both. 98 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: Agrippa continues to win every naval battle and continues to 99 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: sweep mark Antony off the seas, sees control of the 100 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: shipping lanes, sees control of this. Mark Antony, in his 101 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: growing desperation, eventually attempts to fight for the fresh water 102 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: that's supplying Octavian's camp. He loses that battle, and now 103 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: now he's in a terrible situation because the supplies are 104 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: no longer pouring in for his troops. Remember, these were 105 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: equal armies, equal navies. These were equal, and mark Antony 106 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: was no question a superior general to Octavian, no question there. 107 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: But now mark Antony is stuck in this harbor, He's 108 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: stuck in this town. Disease breaks out, people begin As 109 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: Octavian gets stronger and stronger, mark Antony's own own men 110 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: continue to defect to the other side. And every time 111 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: his men defect, and I don't mean some random lowly guy, 112 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: high up generals and admirals are defecting to the other side, 113 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and every time they do, they're bringing all of mark 114 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: Antony's battle plans with them to Octavian, because if you 115 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: just show up as a defector, Octavian might just crucify 116 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: you on the spot. You don't know that he's gonna 117 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: welcome you with open arms. So you have to show 118 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: up with something tangible. What are you bringing to my camp? 119 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: What are you bringing to my team? And so these 120 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: guys they show up with plans. This is how many 121 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: troops mark Antony has. This is his battle plan. This 122 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: is what he's going to do here, this is what 123 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: he's going to do there. And Octavian refuses, refuses to 124 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: fight on any major land engagement with mark Antony because 125 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: he can't win that he's taking all the supply lines. 126 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: And mark Anthony's men, they now have the ultimate killer 127 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: of troops throughout history. They have disease. When the nutrition 128 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: goes down, when the fresh water goes down, men get sick. 129 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: You knows. A very very brief side note. That is 130 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I remember about the Marines. Yeah, 131 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: there were times we were a little short on food 132 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: here or there, this training exercise this or that, but 133 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: we generally we had food, We had calories. And people 134 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: complain about MREs those garbage meals, and I complain about 135 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: them too. We all complain about him. That's part of 136 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: being marine. You complain about the MREs, but they were 137 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: packed with calories. Why would I carry an M sixteen 138 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: in Iraq from Vietnam. That's not an exaggeration. My sixteen 139 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: was dated from the Vietnam era. One of my guys 140 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: had to tape his upper and lower receiver together with 141 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: duct tape. Yet we always had food. Why was that? Well? 142 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: That Vietnam era M sixteen can still kill somebody from 143 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: a long ways away. But if I don't have enough nutrition, 144 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to get sick and then I'm going to die, 145 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and then we're going to lose. Mark Antony's men don't 146 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: have what they need, and mark Antony gets desperate, and 147 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: so he has another plan, and that's when the Battle 148 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: of Actium comes. Hang on the Jesse Kelly Show, I 149 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Like it returns next. It is the Jesse Kelly Show 150 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: talking about the Battle of Actium. Here doing a history 151 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: thing on a labor day. Feelds like a good day 152 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: to do a history thing. Anyway, You can email the 153 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: show if you want, Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. 154 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: Octavian is now in a position of strength. He is 155 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: getting defectors from mark Antony all the time. Mark Antony 156 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: is losing troops by the thousand, they're dying of disease, 157 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: they're defecting over to Octavian. He's gone from being the 158 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: one who should win this to now he is desperate. 159 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: How desperate is he? His plan is no longer to 160 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: sally forth and beat Octavian in battle. He simply doesn't 161 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: have the manpower for that at all. His plan is 162 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: to get out. The plan is take the massive amount 163 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: of treasure they brought with them, he and Cleopatra, and 164 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: somehow on the high seas, escape back to Egypt. If 165 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: you could get back to Egypt, you have the Egyptian 166 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: queen with you. You can give you time, maybe you can 167 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: raise an army. You have all this money. You have 168 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:00,479 Speaker 1: a chance. But you've got to get out Octavian. And 169 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: not only are they not stupid, well, there's yet another 170 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: defection that dooms mark Antony here at the Battle of Actium. 171 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: Mark Antony's admiral, I'm just gonna use that term, his 172 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: guy in charge of the seas. He defects at this 173 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: point in time, and he lets Octavian know exactly what 174 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: mark Antony is planning on. So what do they do? 175 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: Well this, I want you to picture this in your mind. 176 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: Don't worry about don't worry if you don't get it exact. 177 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: But there's a harbor. There's a harbor, there's a there's 178 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: a mouth of the harbor. Okay, where you get in 179 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: and out. You got that harbor, little mouth where you 180 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: get in and out, Mark Antony, Cleopatra. All those troops, 181 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: all those ships, they're inside of the harbor. Agrippa Octavian. 182 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: They know the troops the ships have to leave the harbor. 183 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: They know there's going to be a big naval battle, 184 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: so they stay their ships outside of the harbor and 185 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: a big wide formation because they want to fight and win. 186 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Right here, Mark Anthony, Cleopatra. All the ships they do 187 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: a formation. I was trying to think of the best 188 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: way to describe it. Almost looks like a shovel, is 189 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: the best way I could I could describe it. So 190 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: what's the head, what's the digging part of the shovel, 191 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: what's the leading part of it, what's the tip? Well, 192 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: the tip of it is the warships, the actual warships, 193 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: And let's pause for a moment and discuss naval warfare 194 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: back then, because my gosh, you've heard me discuss World 195 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: War two naval warfare and how much it terrifies me. 196 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: That's why I love talking about it. That's how much 197 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: I honor those vets of just being on something that floats, 198 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: with the fire and the drowning and the darkness and 199 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the scary It's a terrible way to do combat. Well, 200 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: it's somehow even more terrible in ancient times. One a huge, 201 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: huge way you fought back then on the water was 202 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: I just can't believe this was a thing. You rammed 203 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: each other on purpose. I'm not making that up. You 204 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: would have a very strong, sometimes sharp you would. You 205 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: would you would purposely make the bow the front of 206 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: your ship into a battering ram, and you would try 207 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: to nail the other ships. It's about maneuverability. You'd try 208 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: to nail them in a way where they can't nail you, 209 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: so you try to put the front of your ship 210 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: in their side. You would ram them. That was one way. 211 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Another way they did naval combat back then was shooting 212 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: missiles at each other. I'm talking about catapults, throwing stones, 213 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: throwing spears, throwing just slings with rocks, archers, bows and arrows, 214 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: sometimes flame bows and arrows, sometimes not, sometimes just regular ones, 215 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: but you would shoot those at each other. Sometimes you're 216 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: trying to light the ship on fire. Another way, they 217 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: would do things. They would throw and shoot grappling hooks 218 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: at each other to try to drag a ship close 219 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: enough to you so you in full armor can get 220 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: off your ship, fight your way onto the other ship, 221 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: and do hand to hand combat on the other ship, 222 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: possibly while both ships are on fire. And I should 223 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: probably point out at this point in time, it doesn't 224 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: matter if you're Michael Phelps. You very likely are not 225 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: going to be able to swim if you happen to 226 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: go into the drink because your armor, it's at this 227 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: point in time it would have been chain mail, So 228 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: don't think plates think like a well, chain mail should 229 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: be self explanatory enough, like a shirt made of metal. 230 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: But it's so freaking that you're going to go down 231 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the deep like a rock if 232 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: you happen to go into the water. So it's not 233 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: as El Chris said, just take it off again. I 234 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: understand that it's not like today, brother, where it's a 235 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: couple snaps or a quick zipper and your armor comes off. 236 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: That's one. Two. You don't have a moment when you're 237 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: being stabbed and shot and lit on fire. Hey, hold on, 238 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: I want to take my armor off so I can 239 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: dive in the water. That's not how that works at all, 240 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: Am I painting a clear enough picture for you. When 241 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: you died in naval combat back then, you burned to death, 242 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: or you drowned, or you drowned and burnt to death, 243 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: or you were stabbed at the heights on the high seas, 244 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: or you at an arrow go through your face on 245 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: the high seas. And if you did happen to make 246 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: it into the water with your armor off and you 247 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: could swim, you could also be beaten to death by 248 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: the oars of a rival ship or shot with arrows. 249 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: It sounds, you know, how you know, ancient combat just 250 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: in general, sounds like the worst thing in the world. 251 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: With swords and spears and stabbing, naval combat is somehow worse. 252 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: It sounds worse every time I read something about it. 253 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: My jaw drops that men did this, and so the 254 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: tip of that shovel was the fighting ships. The shaft 255 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: it was the treasure ships of Cleopatra, because the goal 256 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: wasn't to win, it was to get back to Egypt. 257 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Hang on what truth attitude? Jesse Kelly. It is the 258 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show doing a big, fat, heaping helping of 259 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: history here on a Monday, on a Labor Day. I 260 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: hope you have enjoyed your weekend, your time with family 261 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: and Jewish producer Chris asked a very good question, because 262 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: we're the are getting ready to slam into each other 263 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: here at the Battle of Actium. He asked, how do 264 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: you even get your troops to fight for you with 265 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: terrible naval combat like that. Well, it's an interesting question 266 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: and one mark Antony had to wrestle with. Remember the 267 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: mark Antony plan here was to escape. It wasn't necessarily 268 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: to win. It was to escape. But you can't say 269 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: that to the troops because then the ones that haven't 270 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: defected will defect. You can't say that to the troops. 271 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: In fact, what do you do with the extra ships, 272 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: because remember he was so down on manpower, he couldn't 273 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: man even close to all of his ships. You may say, well, 274 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: you should just burn them. Well, what does that say 275 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: to your troops if they look up and you're burning 276 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: half of the navy that was about to fight. You're 277 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: telling the troops you don't have a chance. So again, okay, 278 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: So back to the story. Antony's forces, with a shape 279 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: like a shovel, the tip of his leading the spade, 280 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: is leaving. They leave the harbor. Agrippa's forces spread out 281 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: so Antony can't get around them, and Agrippa's forces spread 282 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: out because they're trying to circle around Antony. Remember the 283 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: goal is ultimately ram them from the side or from 284 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: the rear, sink their ship. Your ship stays afloat. Antony 285 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: sees this. He's not an idiot. He spreads out as well, 286 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the numbers anymore to spread out 287 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: the way Octavian and Agrippa have the numbers to spread out. 288 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: His lines get too thin. Octavian Agrippa, these two men 289 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: who have spent so much time waiting, not going to battle, 290 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: not marching out, not engaging Mark Antony. They waited until 291 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: this exact moment, and then there was no holding back. 292 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: As soon as Mark Antony spread his troops out too 293 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: far to avoid getting surrounded, that's when Octavian and Agrippa 294 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: smashed forward, launched into their attack, and they obliterated mark 295 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: Antony's navy, and I don't want to act as if 296 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: it was a five minute thing. Men died in droves 297 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: that day. Mark Antony's men died by the thousand that day, 298 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: men dying, screaming, burning, fighting on the water, and mark 299 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: Antony and I just don't know how you can defend 300 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: this move. I've read a lot of different things on this, 301 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: and I just I don't know how you can defend 302 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: this move. Mark Antony chooses this moment to pop sail 303 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: and take off with Cleopatra and all the money, and 304 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: he leaves his men there on the water and they 305 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: blow through the Octavian Agrippa lines. They're just going too 306 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: fast and they take off for Egypt. Octavian and a 307 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: grip of see this you should know. And they try 308 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: to pursue them, but they're still they still have to 309 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: go win the battle of the troops who are still fighting. 310 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: So you can't just take your whole force and pursue 311 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: a and pursue Cleopatra and mark Antony. You have to 312 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: stay and you have to win the day. But they do. 313 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: They stay, They win the day and the Battle of 314 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: Actium and mark Antony's hopes are almost gone. Not quite though. 315 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: You see, after Octavian wins that day in Agrippa, mark 316 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: Antony's troops who were still there were shown mercy by Octavian. Now, 317 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: don't don't think too highly of Octavian. You can love him, 318 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: it's fine. He's actually very very cool dude. But this 319 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: was again as much a political propaganda war as anything else. 320 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: That You don't want the Roman people getting the news 321 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: that you slaughtered Roman troops and mass this was a 322 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: civil war. You want to look like the good guy 323 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: who spared everyone. He does, spare most of the troops. Some, 324 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: of course, he kills, but spares most of the troops. 325 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: But Cleopatra and mark Antony are alive, and they have 326 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: all the money. And here's the rub. Octavian has to 327 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: have that money because Octavian has promised all of his veterans, 328 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: all his troops that money, and he doesn't have any 329 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: more money to pay. He has to have it. It's 330 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: not an option, and he knows he has to pursue 331 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: this fight. Cleopatra goes straight back to Egypt. Mark Antony 332 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: decides he's going to stop at a critical port, doesn't 333 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: matter where it is, not gonna bore you with the 334 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: details because he has four legions at this port and 335 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: you have to go buy this port to get to Egypt, 336 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: and he knows Octavian is coming. Except momentum is a 337 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: powerful thing, isn't it. By the time mark Antony gets 338 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: to this fort where his general and his legions still are, 339 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: they have already defected to Octavian and he's fresh out 340 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: of friends and well. To wrap up the story here, 341 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: mark Antony and Cleopatra. If you read the stories, it 342 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: makes it sounds like it was five minutes later. It 343 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: took time. Octavian did march down, He did do all 344 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: kinds of backbiting negotiations. He was negotiating with Cleopatra and 345 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: mark Antony together. He was also at the same time 346 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: negotiating with Cleopatra behind mark Antony's back, trying to get 347 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: her to assassinate him, and she may have ended up 348 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: doing that, because mark Antony Sally's fourth for one last 349 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: naval battle, just in time to watch his entire navy 350 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: sail out and promptly defect to Octavian, leaving him with nothing. 351 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: Octavian goes back to Egypt, where he's told Cleopatra is dead, 352 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: she's not. That was a lie, and he shoves a 353 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: sword into his abdomen. Mark Antony's gone, and of course 354 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: the famous story everybody knows. From there, Cleopatra allegedly no 355 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: one actually knows this for sure, allegedly kills herself with 356 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: an asp An asp is not a cobra. Everyone says 357 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: it's a cobra. It probably was a cobra because it's Egyptian, 358 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: but asp in the way they use it, just meant 359 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: venomous snake, and we don't know that for sure. Why 360 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: did she do it, Well, she didn't want Octavian to 361 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: do what he was going to do. That was key 362 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: per prisoner, march her through the streets of Rome in 363 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: a triumph and then probably have her ritually strangled in 364 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: a Roman dungeon. She kills herself in an effort to 365 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: save her son that she had. Remember the beginning of 366 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: this story with Julius Caesar, his name was Caesarian. I 367 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: think he was sixteen at the time, if I remember right, 368 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: Except he was promptly betrayed by his tutor, and Octavian 369 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: put him to death to avoid any of these troublesome 370 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: questions about who the real ruler of Rome was Octavian 371 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: eventually became who you know as Augustus Caesar Augustus, and 372 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: there was no more client kingdom of Egypt. Now, after 373 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: all this Egypt simply became part of Rome. And to 374 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: wrap this long story up, we'll do a little bit, 375 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: very little bit of politics as we do a couple 376 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: emails in our final segment. Here one of my favorite 377 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: historical story of all time. As Octavian is in Alexandria. 378 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: The city was named for Alexander. He didn't name it. 379 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: I should know one of his generals named it. But 380 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: the city was named for Alexander. And Alexander's tomb was there, 381 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: It's where his body was. Octavian wanted to go see him. 382 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: He went and saw him. He placed a crown on 383 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: his corpse or the coffin. I don't understand how exactly 384 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: that would work, because Alexander had to be a little 385 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: ripe by this point in time. But places a crown 386 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: on him. And then these Egyptians who were there said, hey, 387 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: do you want to come see the Ptolemys and these pharaohs, 388 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: And Augustus says, I came to see a king, not 389 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of corpses. And that is the story of 390 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: the Battle of Actium. And let me just tell you, 391 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: if that interested you at all, that could have been 392 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: I just did like two hours on it. That could 393 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: have been forty hours. This story is so in depth 394 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: and so amazing and full of drama and backstabbing and 395 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: violence and assassinations. I skipped over a gobs of it. 396 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: But that is the story of the Battle of Actium. 397 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: And from there Octavian ruled Rome, and Rome became an empire. 398 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: And you know, relatives like Nero and Caligula came out 399 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: of this whole thing. Yeah, rough, huh. Anyway, one more segments, 400 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: do some headlines, some emails. Hang on the Jesse Kelly Show. 401 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: I like it returns next. It is the Jesse Kelly Show. 402 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: Final segment of The Jesse Kelly Show. A bit of 403 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: an unorthodox Jesse Kelly Show on a Labor day. Remember 404 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: if you missed the politics of the first hour Medal 405 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: of Honor Monday, like two hours of Roman history today, 406 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: all that is available just podcast it iHeart Spotify iTunes. 407 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: If you want to send me an email, We'll get 408 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: about to do some emails here as we try to 409 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: wrap this thing. Up. Email me Jesse at jesse kellyshow 410 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: dot com. We love your emails here. Also, Dome rolled 411 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: out of rolled out an accent. As I have said 412 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: many times, there's nothing I find more hilarious in politics 413 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: than Democrats pandering to black people. It just murders me 414 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: when they do it. And they all do it. Everyone 415 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: remembers Hillary Clinton's hot I keep hot sas and my purse. 416 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, of course, he was always worse at it 417 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: and more ham fisted. Ah, they're gonna put you back 418 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: in chains. Of course Joe didn't, wasn't all that delicate 419 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: about it. And Dome, the young lady who grew up 420 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: as a valley girl in California when she wasn't in Canada, 421 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: got herself a new Georgia accent today. Let me just 422 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: get through the next sixty four days. He the next 423 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: six to four days. Aha, and then I kid you not. 424 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: I kid you not. The audio sucks, so I'm not 425 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: gonna play it for you. She's talking about how many 426 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: collared greens she used to make. Chris All, I'm not 427 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: making to go look it up. She said that she 428 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: used to make collared greens so much that she had 429 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: to make them in a bathtub. Dome has never she's 430 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: never made collared greens. But I do appreciate her for 431 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: once again delivering on the greatest comedy there is. Democrats 432 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: pandering to black people. It will never, ever, ever not 433 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: be funny. Jesse, you know what makes me mad? He 434 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: didn't say it makes me mad when people supposedly on 435 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: our side used the communist language. I just saw some 436 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: idiot Fox News reporter the other day saying Kamala's position 437 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: on women's reproductive rights was blah blah blah. He was 438 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: quoting her, say abortion, idiot her better yet her a 439 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: position on murdering babies. Deosana say couple of the things. 440 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: That's all great. One. I salute you. His name is Blaine. 441 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: That language is so in important, And you know it's 442 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: important because the communist is adamant about it. And you've 443 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: seen that over and over again when they scold each 444 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: other if they step out of line. You've seen this 445 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: so many times. Ime emvery when Joe Biden, when Joe 446 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: Biden got up in the State of a Union address 447 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: and Marjorie Taylor Green got under his skin and used 448 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: the word I legal immigrant, he apologized when he came 449 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: out and apologized. The Communist uses language because he has evil, 450 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: destructive plans. You don't have to be purposeful with your 451 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: language if you're just being honest, But if you're trying 452 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: to lie, that's when you kind of have to be 453 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: really careful about what you say. You have to be 454 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: selective about what you say. That's why they are so 455 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: purposeful with their language, and it's why we can never, ever, ever, ever, 456 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: ever use the communist language. You are not going to 457 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: appeal to him or win him over, or somehow win 458 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: over the moderates if you use the language the Communist 459 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: has specifically chosen to deceive. He does this about everything. 460 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: That's why he calls the illegals migrants. That's why he 461 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: calls carving up a baby in its mother's womb women's 462 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: reproductive rights. Doesn't that sound so benign? What's the big 463 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: deal women's reproductive rights? He chose these words on purpose, 464 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: And you are right to get angry at anyone quote 465 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: on our side who uses these words. You are very 466 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: very right about that. And now you know what I'm 467 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna do one or two more Jesse. He cracks me up. 468 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: You say every time you say crazy aunt Peggy. It's 469 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: liberal Aunt Peggy. I'm the only conservative in my family. 470 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: Everyone else is a COMMI and they all think I'm 471 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: the crazy one. And this lady's name is Peggy. I 472 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: love her. Hey, Jesse, since you love offending people and 473 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: discussing sensitive topics, now, hold on, I don't love offending people. 474 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: That's a very common misconception. I just don't care if 475 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: I offend people. There's a difference. I'm not trying to 476 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: offend people. I well, I take that back. I try 477 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: to offend politicians because I really don't like them. What, Chris, 478 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: what do I take pleasure in offending people? Ah? I 479 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: do sometimes if I'm being okay now that I take 480 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: pleasure in offending people because I'm trying to help them. Chris, No, 481 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: i'd why are you saying that. I'm serious? Listen, I 482 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: take pleasure in offending people because if you're offended, that's 483 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: a you problem. You have a sensitivity there, or you 484 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: care too much what other people say or what other 485 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: people think, and it's something you need to overcome. If 486 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: you get offended, you need to consider that a disability. 487 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: You have a disability. You're disabled, and you can overcome 488 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: that disability as soon as you decide to stop being offended. 489 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: So if I offend you, I'm not mad. And sometimes 490 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: if I dislike you, I'm actually thrilled about it. But 491 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: no matter what I'm trying to help, I don't try 492 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: to offend people. All right, that is not true. I 493 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: don't try to offend people. Now, my nature is offensive. 494 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: I understand that if you met my father, you would 495 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: understand why. We're just an offensive family. That's what we are. 496 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: And now here's a headline. Why you know, you know 497 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: the thing headlines we didn't get to do. You like Nascar, 498 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: This nonpartisan voter registration group doesn't want to help you. 499 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: This is a story from the Free Beacon, the Voter 500 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: Participation Center. Yeah, you know, stuff that's generally funded with 501 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: your money. They try to do everything they can to 502 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: make sure they exclude ever registering a Republican. Again, your 503 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: tax dollars are used against you. Senior Hamas official encourages 504 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: US students to escalate anti Israel protests on campus. The 505 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: ability for these foreign terrorist groups to just operate on 506 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: a US soil floors me. We used to have an FBI, 507 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: but I guess they're probably too busy not tracking down 508 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: the DNC pipe bomber or the motive behind the Vegas shooter, 509 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: and I actually ran out of time. We'll have a 510 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: more normal show tomorrow. Okay, that's all