WEBVTT - How Search and Rescue Dogs Work 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to Stuff you should know from house stuff Works 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:13.840 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.840 and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and first time ever 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:23.439 guest producer Andrews. It's very exciting. Yeah, I thought you 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.360 were saying he was a ghost or something. We'll know. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.080 He's right beside you, right, But I mean he could 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:34.839 be an illusion or one of those uh like the 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.760 ghosts that I saw that didn't look like a ghost, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.040 that was just a solid form. Sure, hey k a ghost. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:46.160 Yeah we could use more ghost producers, we could, you know, Yeah, 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.040 I don't have to time benefits. No, you do not 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.120 have to do anything. Yep. He just pretty great. Press 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:58.840 a button and die? Oh so um, Chuck. Yes, I 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.840 don't know if you remember. Several months ago we released 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.560 an episode and it was a good one if you 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.920 ask me. It was about search and rescue. Okay, do 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.880 you remember the episode right? And there was like you 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.200 saw urban search and rescue, wilderness search and rescue, and 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.560 in that episode I was like, man, we have to 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.720 do an episode on search and rescue dogs. Well, by god, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.839 today is the day We're doing it. The only time 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.959 we've ever followed up on a promise in our career. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.080 The prophecy has been fulfilled. It's right. So we're talking 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.759 today about search and rescue dogs and this, first of all, 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.160 this article is just genuine bona fide how stuff works, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:45.400 quality from the olden days. Just checks all those boxes, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.920 done in't it? Every box that's that's that's Mark one 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.320 in the favor of this episode that it's based on 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:56.120 that article. Mark two is that it's about dogs and 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.320 how much how great dogs are. And I just had 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.400 a really good time researching this one. Yeah, it's funny, 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:05.040 like during reading this whole thing and all this research 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.400 in my head, I just kept thinking, good boy, good girl. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.760 I just kept saying that over and over. Yeah, just 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:17.120 petting them behind the ears in your mind. So, um, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.480 when we're talking about star dogs, we're talking about search 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.560 and rescue dogs. Dogs that are trained to go find people. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.480 Right there, they do two things. There's two components to 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.280 a search and rescue dogs job. It is to find 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.760 people and then to let their handler know that they 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.760 found the person. Right sure, because of a dog that 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.080 just find someone doesn't let anyone know. They'll just be 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.480 sitting around licking faces all day. Right, you're like, yes, 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:44.600 you you found me, know, go get help, and the 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:48.600 dogs like, I don't know, although I did like seeing 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.560 what was that one dog called that's trained to uh 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.079 to like stay there instead of going to to alert 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.520 everyone else victim loyalty? Is that behavior? Yeah? And I 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.639 think that's the case if there's if like someone is injured, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:04.640 they may need that dog to just stay there and 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.200 start barking instead of saying, hey, I'm gonna run and 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.399 find someone and let and let them know that you're 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:14.400 not okay. Right. So, however they alert, as long as 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.800 they alert, that's good. That's the second part of the job. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.080 As long as they don't wander off and like find 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.720 a craps game to engage in without telling anybody that 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.359 they found the person who's stranded in the wilderness, right, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.040 which would not happen with the star dog because they 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.400 can focus like nobody's business right, right. So star dogs 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.960 are professional working dogs, right, just as much as like 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.080 a herding dog on a farm who actually does that 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.400 work um or a canine unit dog or one of 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.120 the Beagle Brigade we've talked about them before. It's a 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.680 it's a working dog. But the the article that Julia 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.600 Layton wrote points out and I think really just kind 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.120 of changed my perspective on things and opened up my 0:03:55.200 --> 0:04:00.320 eyes that what the dog is really doing is playing. Yeah, right, 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.160 so I mean the dog is not taking work seriously 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.000 even though it appears to be. It's taking place seriously. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.040 And I just love that. Yeah, And and it really 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.760 hit home to me too, like when it pointed out that, um, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.960 if you've ever had a dog that will like run 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.440 till their paws are bloody to get that tennis ball 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.120 or that coong, right, I guess I just name checked 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.360 a brand they should throw some dough for that. It's 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.720 a good brand. Uh loves the little those tiny ones 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.719 are so cute. Um that that that would make a 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.720 good star dog. And I have had two dogs in 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.000 my life that would be great uh search and rescue dogs. 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.479 My dog Buckley, who was no longer with us, and 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.520 my current one of my two current dogs, Nico, And 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.960 they both had a lot of Staffordshire Terrier on them, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.200 and they both from day one, if you threw something, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.560 ran and got it, brought it back, dropped it at 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.880 your feet and looked at you as if if you 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.280 don't throw that thing again, I might keel over and 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.200 die right now. Staffords your terriers and that Spuds Mackenzie 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:11.960 And now I can't remember what kind of terrier that is, 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.640 but it was some kind of terrier, and I thought 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:18.200 it was an English countryside village name terrier. Huh. I 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.320 mean staffies are I think a lot of people throw 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.479 a lot of dogs into the pit bull category that 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.800 aren't pit bulls. That's kind of a a bone of 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.800 contention with pit bull owners is like, you know, a 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.120 dog attacks that has any a terrier in it and 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.800 they say it was a pit bull. Um, So staffies 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.960 are lumped in there. But I remember when we did 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.280 one of my great memories of being in Edinburrow on 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:44.320 our tour. I took a walk around Lovely, uh, the 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.640 lovely town, and I ran into a lady who was 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.120 walking one of hers And you know, when you're out 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.479 of town and you're not with your dog, you just 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.080 sort of like attack every dog you see. And so 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:54.920 I got down. I was with this dog and I 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:56.840 was like, I love this dog. Your you know, your 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.880 dogs are sweet or something, and she went, just a 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:05.080 wee staffy that's so Scottish. A wee staffy that was 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.080 a uh that like that town is magnificent. It's magic, 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.640 it really is. I can't wait to go back one day. Yeah, 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:12.960 we need to do that. We need to get on 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:17.920 another UK tour. I could not agree more. Dude. Heck, yeah, okay, 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.480 it's done. We're doing it in like two years or 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.599 three years if it's anything like our Australia tour. So 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.080 with the Star Dogs though, Um, we cannot emphasize anymore 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.039 how much time is of the essence because whether it is, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.400 and we'll get into the various types of rescues, but 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.760 they're all pretty time sensitive. Whether it's a missing child, 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:44.240 god forbid, or a collapse building, God forbid, or an avalanche, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.279 God forbid. None of these situations are awesome and the 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:51.880 clock is ticking, especially you know in in those cases 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.800 where you know there's maybe short of oxygen or they're 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.360 buried in snow, Like minutes count. Yeah, for sure. I 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.359 saw on a site for an organization that offers stur 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.640 dog training, um for your dog, Like if you think 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.000 your dog's got it, they say, come, we'll find out 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.800 if your dog's got it. They were saying, like, um, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.160 you have to be out there, like you have to 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.760 treat this like you're an ambulance. Basically, when you get 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.520 the call, you gotta be out the door. And it's interesting. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:21.880 You know, the dog doesn't have any job other than 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.120 search and rescue, so the dogs ready to go any time, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.600 but you're their handler and they live with you, and 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.160 you have to be out there with them. So you 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.360 have to be able to leave your regular job at 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.360 the drop of a hat. And and Star dog handlers 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.920 are on call twenty four hours a day, seven days 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.960 a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year, 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.840 so much that um the dogs go on vacation with 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.080 the handlers in case there's a call and you both 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.560 have to go show up somewhere together. So you have 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.960 to be very, very responsive. And it is like you're saying, 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:55.520 because time is of the essence. Because this article gives 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.680 the example of avalanche victims, Like if you're an avalanche 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.480 victor them, if you're covered in an avalanche, you probably 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.280 will not want to be thinking about these stats. But 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.640 most avalanche victims who are found within I think, is 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.320 it ten minutes or fifteen minutes? I think of the 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.559 victims are alive at fifteen minutes. Okay, great, what about 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:24.840 thirty five minutes. Uh So between fifteen and thirty five minutes, 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.520 sixty percent of the of those folks will be gone. Right. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.959 And so you might say, well, okay, wait, wait, you 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.040 guys are talking about an avalanche. How's the dog going 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.640 to find you in an avalanche? Dogs can find you 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.360 covered in snow, Dogs can find you underwater. Dogs can 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.880 pick up your scent sometimes when you're five away, right. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.640 It's amazing. I was surprised to hear that because you 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.960 always see in like those old timey chain gang movies, um, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.880 you know that are my favorite genre. Obviously, when when 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.680 they're trying to elude the tracking dogs they cross a 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.880 river something like that, it's off the scent. And that 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.240 probably works for for tracking dogs, and we'll talk about 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:11.080 the difference between these dogs. But for for a scent dog, um, 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.160 they can they can be trained to find your scent underwater, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:18.000 especially if you just happen to be decomposing. Yeah, and 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.240 especially if that dog is a bloodhound. Um. And in 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.320 those old timey movies that you love, it seems like 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.000 it's always a bloodhound or you know, a pack of 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.680 bloodhounds and the and the dude you know who just 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:34.199 escaped from prison. Is runs through the river, and usually 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.840 in the movie they're they're like, you know, drat it all. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:40.280 They just threw us off the scent, right, somebody throws 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.560 their hat to the ground. It's because of those kind 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.920 of because of that whole thing, that whole um, that 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:51.400 genre whatever, that in prison escape thing. I unfairly associate 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.960 bloodhounds with scary backwoods like redneck police officials. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.760 you know what I'm saying, because they're always with them. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.679 But that that doesn't mean that the bloodhounds are scary. 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.400 They're great, sure, good old hound dogs. Yeah, Elvis wrote 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:11.920 a song about him. Yeah, but it wasn't favorable. Uh, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.520 that's true, you know, lying all the time. I wonder, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.200 but Elvis wasn't talking about dogs, no, but he was 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.480 comparing somebody who he didn't have in a high opinion 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.520 or high esteem to a hound dog. I wonder who 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.680 that was about. And he probably had no idea that 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.760 he was giving them quite a compliment, right he was. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.440 He was trying to do the opposite. It was like 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.440 that Simpsons where somebody calls somebody else a chicken and 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.000 it chicken, and the top head appears and goes, he's 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.800 insulting the both of us. They Elvis should have said, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.640 you ain't nothing but a hound dog, which is actually 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.000 the most talented scent dog of all time. That would 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.120 have fit too. You ain't nothing but a hound dog. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.400 I hold you in deep admiration. And there goes the 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:59.160 career of Elvis Presley. Uh So, smell wise, dogs have 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.840 a sense of smell about forty times stronger than a human. 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.440 And this is all dogs. It doesn't mean all dogs 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.920 make good star dogs. But just because a little Momo 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:14.480 is uh, you know, like a little curly, cute lap dog, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.920 doesn't mean that Momo may not be a good star 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.679 dog for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean Momo can't 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.440 smell a dead body in the ocean. No, and she does. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.800 She just she goes and finds a game of craps 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.680 instead of telling anybody. That's because that's how you've trained her. Sure, now, 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.000 Momo would not be a very good star dog. She 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.040 would be a little sketched out on the scene of 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.640 a search and rescue mission. But she could she and 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.920 she does. I'm sure pick up on the rafts are 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.600 a T I'm sorry r A F T S which is, uh, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.240 it's gross. But these are the dead skin cells that 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.360 are constantly flying off of our body that smell only 0:11:54.440 --> 0:12:00.000 like us, Yeah, like every individual. Apparently this is not proven, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.440 but they think they know that humans shed skin cells rafts, 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.000 and that they do have a sense human specifically human scent, 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.520 and that is specific to each person too, which is 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.160 all totally believable. Yeah, which is why they You know, 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.199 like in the movies, they give somebody an old sweatshirt 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.760 that that person wore the day before, and that's how 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.640 they know how to go look for that person. Right, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.680 They'll they'll do that, they'll mash it in the dog's 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:26.240 face and then go find it and they find the whatever, 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.840 the person that smells like that. So they think that's 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.120 how dogs are able to find specific human sense or 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.040 any human scent, is that the rafts, the skin cells 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.439 that were shedding are being picked up. We leave them 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.800 behind on the ground. They follow the ground. Um. If 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.920 we run up against a bush or something, a bunch 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.200 of them get scraped off, or they're just kind of 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.840 floating in the air, and depending on the type of 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.680 dog um, they're going to pick up those skin cell 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.480 rafts and and it's probably about here that we should 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:58.720 say that there are two types too general umbrella categories 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.280 of UM search and rescue dogs. There's the tracking dog 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.080 and there's the air sent dog. And they do the 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.560 same thing, they find humans, but they do it in 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.160 two very different ways, one super targeted and one super general. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.079 And depending on the situation that you're faced with, you're 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.120 going to call it one dog or the other, or 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.600 maybe both. If you're just a county that's just flushed 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.840 with extra taxpay or cash that you don't know what 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.679 to do with, sure dog, county. Uh Yeah, so a 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.160 tracking dog. They also call those following dogs. Those are 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.080 like when you think of a bloodhound with their nose 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.240 down on a trail. Uh. They're the ones who who 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.120 know and this is what these dogs need. They know 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:42.800 the last scene point of this person. So like you know, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.480 if you went hiking in the woods and you parked 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.480 your car at a trailhead, Uh, they know that that 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.920 is your last if that is in fact your lasting point. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.079 That is the last sing point. Here is a sweater 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:58.200 that they wore yesterday, and uh, go at it right, 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.920 And we talked about the nuts and bolts of that 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.280 kind of stuff on the Search and Rescue episode. So 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.080 go listen to that because we talked about the last 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.800 same point, and we talked about how searchers like fan 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.920 out from there. Sure there's like a quick response team. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.360 The dogs are the ones that are brought out first 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.040 because a scent, if it's a tracking dog and they're 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.520 following the scent that was specifically laid down by that person, 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.880 that tracking dog needs to be there very quickly, and 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.560 they need to um, they need to be there before 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.960 everybody else because once a bunch of searchers get into 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.560 the area and start searching for the person, they don't 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.160 know where the person's scent trail is, so they might 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.000 be crossing all over it and ultimately ruin it for 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.400 the dog who can't pick it up anymore. So that 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.480 tracking dog is going to be among the first searchers 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.600 on the scene. That's right. Uh. The air scent dogs, 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.480 like you said that, these are a little more like 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:53.440 when you don't know, like somebody's just lost in the 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.200 forest or somebody is buried in the snow. They don't 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.200 have that last scene starting point, uh, and they basically 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.720 just say go out there and stick your nose in 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.680 the air instead of on the ground and see if 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.280 you can inhale some of those So some of those 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:18.560 airborne rafts like fine seventies cocaine, right, the finest Quervo 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.200 gold and the fine Columbian uh and those you know, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:26.200 that's basically basically their deal. Um. You know, if it's 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.560 a little more general, um, you're you're probably some sort 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.360 of a well, they're all kinds of dogs, but you're 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.360 not small. You're medium sized or larger. You may be 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.800 a German shepherd or like a lab believe believe it 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.840 or not, it's probably not a Saint Bernard um, just 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.360 because they're they're just a little too big these days. Yeah, 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:49.640 cumbersome as how this article put it. Border collies are good. Uh, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.920 And of course the bloodhound because they're those big old 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.920 ears and all those cute folds in their faces actually 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:03.400 concentrate scent particles right into those uh, stinky, stinky, drippy nostrils. Yeah. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.920 It just kind of slaps the skin cells of humans 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.160 right into the dog's nostrils. Amazing. So let's take a 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.160 break and then we're gonna come back and talk about 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:42.560 different specialties that a search and rescue dog can have. Okay, Wolf, Sorry, Okay, Chuck, 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:46.440 so we're back. We're talking now, if you'll follow me 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.360 in this line of thinking, Okay, about the different specialties 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.680 search and rescue dogs can have. Yeah, this one is 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.480 sort of the saddest specialty. But the cadaver dog UM 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:04.399 very very important though, because, uh, you know, people need 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.680 closure in their lives. And if you've lost a loved one, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.919 uh literally lost a loved one and you don't know 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.360 where they are and they end up not surviving that ordeal, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.879 then you would still like to give them, um a 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.600 burial of your choice or you know, however you want 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.600 to do things in your family. But that that was 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.680 a lot well I was saying a proper burial, but 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:26.200 that means a lot of things to a lot of people. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.480 Sure it could be a sky burial, Sure it could 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.760 be remember those Oh yeah, that was a great one. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.119 I don't remember what that was on, but that was 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.200 a good one. Buzzards right, just picking at your body yep. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.520 Up in the Himalayas. Uh So they are they are 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:45.040 specifically trained to search for human remains and those uh 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.520 decomposition gases uh and those skin rafts. Still. But that 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.760 that is pretty amazing because these dogs can find. It, says, 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.080 a single human tooth or a single drop of blood 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.080 they can detect, right right, because you know, first of all, 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:04.439 they're they're truly um able to detect that kind of stuff. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.800 But then the training they receive really kind of narrows 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.119 and and focuses that that natural ability they have. But 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:14.760 when when I was looking up cadaver dogs, as of 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.800 course they did, I was like, how would you train 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.200 a cadaver dog? What are you? Where are you getting 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:24.840 the dead bodies? Weren't. Apparently if you are training cadaver dogs, 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.679 you can't apply to get like decomposing human tissue. You 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.119 have to you have to like get a license for it, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.240 I believe, or a license to have it um. But 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.399 apparently it's hard to come by. So trainers will like 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.960 use their own blood to train dogs to fine blood. 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.480 There's also a company UM that makes a scent of 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:51.080 an artificial training scent called Sigma Pseudo Corpse Scent, and 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:57.200 it comes in three flavors recently deceased, decomposing, and drowned. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.840 And you can train a dog on the UM on 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.120 this sent It's close enough approximation that they will learn 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.920 to follow the set and find decomposing human remains. So 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:13.600 two people by those creeps creeps and uh star trainers, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.360 right and like, but just two people by the bottles. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.560 They're like a million dollars each Yeah, and they go 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.159 out on a tender date and they're like just a 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:27.000 little dab of drowned body behind each year. I'm all set, Yeah, alright. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.600 Water dogs are the next, and those uh search for 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.960 drowning victims. Obviously, Uh, they are generally in a boat 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.119 at some point, and we'll talk about their training, but 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.520 one of the one of the big parts of training 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.320 is to make sure that these are dogs can ride 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.720 in helicopters and ride in boats, and ride on a 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.879 snowmobile or whatever you know. And a t V one 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.080 are those things called, yeah, a t V four wheelers? 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.240 Remember they had three wheelers when we were kids. Man, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.960 those are so dangerous. Everyone's like, man, they sing, surety 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.159 tip over a lot, right, Maybe we should add a 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.040 fourth wheel. Yeah, there you go, and then now it's 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.280 stable and it's a man. Those were so dangerous that 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.280 I remember when they came out and it was like 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.879 twelve year olds dying all over the place with those things. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:12.960 I never read one of those. I didn't either. My 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.120 mom would would not have let me near one of those. 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.159 I was a go carter. Oh lucky I had. I 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:20.680 didn't have one. You know, we never had any of 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.480 that stuff because my parents are teachers, so they were like, 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.880 draw a picture of one. Um. But my my really 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:28.760 good friend growing up lived out in the in the 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.520 woods in the country, and he had two sort of 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.119 homemade go carts. Um, not sort of homemade. They were 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.919 totally homemade. Uh. They weren't like the you know, the 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.359 super sweet things you could buy. But they had the 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.880 land where their dad built like a dirt track and 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.840 it was the most fun thing I ever did as 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.800 a child. That's awesome. It was awesome. Yeah. It was 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.720 always the friend out in the country that had the 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.679 go carts. Sure, yeah, not a city folk, right. So 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:58.640 I mean, if you have a really specialized um sar dog, 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.240 maybe it is used to hiding in a go cart too, 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.320 but it's gonna definitely be trained to ride in on 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.639 just about anything that it will be called in for. 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.240 And in addition, Chuck, this is amazing to me. They 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.879 are totally fine with being lowered down the face of 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.560 a cliff in a harness on a rope stuff like that. 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.120 Like they're trained to um as. We'll see their training 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.280 to basically keep it together in some very weird situations 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:27.240 for dogs. Yeah, and again with my dog, Nico the 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.000 staffy uh have you know, two dogs, and they've both 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.680 been on boats. And Charlie the uh the shelty mix 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.480 kind of just hides under seats, whereas Nico is we 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:43.440 call her the hood ornament. She just sits as tall 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.919 as possible front and center, and her nose is just 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.879 I mean, I can't imagine the amount of sense that 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.679 she's inhaling right, it's really impressive. Yeah, we took Momo 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:55.560 and a kayak to see what she would do, and 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.280 she loved it. She did not hide at all. She 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.080 was alert, bark at fish, and I think she could find. 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:05.119 She was like, yes, this is pretty great. That's pretty 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:08.160 fun stuff. So there was also, like we said, there's 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:12.480 avalanche um search and rescue dogs, there's also urban disaster 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.400 searching and rescue dogs, and we'll talk about them more 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.000 in depth than a little while, but suffice to say 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.840 that that is the UM, the pinnacle of search and 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.919 rescue dogs. That's the toughest one. There are something like 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.439 from what I saw. There's maybe a hundred search and 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:33.000 rescue dogs in the United States that are officially qualified 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:36.920 to search in a disaster scenario in an urban area. Yeah, 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.720 and I know we're going to talk about it in 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.680 a minute, but there was one part of that section 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:46.480 that just got me, like, these dogs operate on reward 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.400 for doing what they're doing, and uh in urban disasters, 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:55.360 like apparently a dog can get down if on themselves 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:59.480 if they just keep finding dead people. And so at 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:04.320 Own zero, they were firefighters and rescuers that would pretend 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.600 to be uh, people trapped just so that these dogs 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:11.080 that have been working long days could feel like they 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.960 had done something to help. Right. Can you believe that, dude? 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.040 I totally can. That's just such like a firefighter thing 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:22.679 to do. Oh my god, I love that too. All Right, 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:27.200 So there's wilderness dogs self explanatory, and then something called 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.600 evidence article dogs. Yeah, they can find like pieces of 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.960 clothing or or evidence in a crime. Yeah, got you, 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.320 So go find the bloody hammer, right right exactly? Wow, 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:43.280 that that turned dark all exec. So let's say that 0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:48.440 you want to start training your dog. Um, there there's 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.720 it's actually training of search and rescue dog follows pretty 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:57.280 established training principles and first of all, it's all positive reinforcement. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.240 We eventually need to do an episode on UM negative 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:05.640 reinforcement or dog obedience because it's just so fully discredited, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.600 but most people think that most people don't realize it. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.919 But you do not need to punish your dog for 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.800 not doing something right. You just praise and reward your 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:18.679 dog for doing something for when they do do something right. 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.720 That's how you train a dog and that's the basis 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.800 of search and rescue training is it's all positive reinforcement 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.879 and reward UM. And the whole thing starts out with 0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.359 just basic obedience. And it's at this point that Momo 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.440 would wash out of search and rescue trail, just right 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.040 out of the gate. Momo is her own person, and 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.560 we treat her as such, like she's our child, so 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.320 we don't treat her like a dog. So she has 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.120 come to not see herself as a dog. UM. She's 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.720 very good dog, very sweet and loyal and takes good 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.680 care of us. But she Um, she would just get 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.840 distracted and again a little freaked out and sketched out 0:24:54.880 --> 0:25:00.560 when the when the distractions came around. Yeah, Nicos stairs 0:25:00.600 --> 0:25:03.040 at UM you know, we're living in a in a 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:07.000 rental house right now because we're doing work on our house. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.439 So it's a very weird time for our whole family 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.800 to all of a sudden be uprooted in living in 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.359 a strange house out in the woods. But Nico just 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:18.680 sits and stairs in the window which overlooks a big 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:24.080 wooded lot, just movement, squirrels, birds or whatever. And the 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.119 second you open that door, she's so fast. She's like 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.960 a greyhound bolting for anything. And luckily she hasn't caught 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.560 anything yet. But um, I'm telling you, man, she'd be 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.520 a great star dog. Youlling reason I would not do 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:41.280 this because I want her around, not on location, helping people. 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.040 So I guess yeah, if I'm selfish, if it were 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.600 squirrel search and rescue, I think Mama would be excellent, 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.080 excellent at it. I agree, s S A R. Yeah, 0:25:52.280 --> 0:25:54.160 maybe there is a call for that. We just don't 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.840 realize it because we don't speak squirrel. So yes, basic 0:25:57.880 --> 0:26:02.520 obedience is level one, uh, just regular commands. Temperament is 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:06.919 super important. They have to be good with um strangers, 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:09.439 um other dogs. Obviously a lot of times there are 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.080 a bunch of dogs on the scene and they can't 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.240 be like I'm gonna go fight that dog or play 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.720 with that dog. Uh. They have to be good on walks, 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.840 on loose leashes, but be good with crowds, all of 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:25.399 that stuff, I imagine really roots out and training a 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.359 bunch of dogs right off the bat. Yes, for sure. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.200 Um so that's just basic obedience and you have to 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.280 you have to just knock that off the list out 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.639 of the gate. Sure, right, then you move on to 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.960 the you you move from you know, good well behaved 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.840 obedient dog too. Now we're starting to get into the 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.800 training a little bit, and you want to teach your dog, 0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.119 um something really important that apparently comes up in search 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:55.439 and rescue that you are not the end all be 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.920 all in the world to this dog. This dog has 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:03.920 to be able to um to to take instruction from 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:08.760 people other than you, and to also show a tremendous 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:13.720 amount of concentration, self possession, non distraction. And the way 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:15.840 that they test this usually when they're training search and 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:18.880 rescue dogs is they will um take a dog over 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:21.480 to a crowd of other dogs, and there will be 0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.560 other people milling about and all that, and um, you, 0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.240 the handler will will ask the dog to to lay 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:30.720 down or stay or sit and the dog and then 0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.080 you leave, You go away at least out of sight. 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.920 I think this article says thirty feet away, and so 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.560 the dog can't see you anymore. And then over the 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:43.080 course of ten twenty minutes, other handlers come in and 0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.159 take over responsibility of tending to this herd of dogs 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.879 that are all sitting around. And if your dog will 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.000 listen to your command that you gave one time to 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.880 stay here or sit or lay down whatever, the whole 0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.920 time you're gone until you come back and tell them 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.640 that they can get up or whatever, then it's apparently 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.200 the test for canine professionalism pretty amazing, and I'm sure 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.920 there's probably a lot of different tests. There's no standardization 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.919 for search and rescue dog training except for the Female 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.560 Certification for Urban Search and Rescue Dogs. Um so I'm 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.120 sure there's different tests all over the place. But that's 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:20.760 a pretty good glimpse of what you need to expect 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:24.359 from your dog to to surpass the the second level, 0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:27.440 the second echelot, and move on to the third one. 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.000 The second the second one is tough. I think the 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.959 third one is genuinely tough, not not necessarily for you 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.440 training the dog. I think the third one is the 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.120 tough one on the dog. Yeah, this is just raw 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:45.280 physical and mental ability and agility. So I mean they're 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.680 going through like an obstacle course. Basically, you can go 0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.800 through tunnels. You can climb uh and incline of more 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:54.640 than uh I think a minimum of forty five degrees 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.640 on each side, like up and down. You can get 0:28:57.640 --> 0:29:00.640 into a a cherry picker like we talked about and 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:04.040 go up really high without jumping out, or be in 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.160 that boat or be in that snowmobile or a helicopter 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:10.120 and not get freaked out like you have to. You know, 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.800 they don't crank up the helicopter usually, like once you 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.440 get in that thing and we've all seen mash you 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.400 gotta run up to a helicopter whose blades are spinning, 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.520 a lot of people don't want to do that. No, no, so, 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:25.680 but your dog needs to be able to like, come on, 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.760 let's go, I'll all the man, all man the machine gun. Yeah, 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.760 or hey, get in this harness. I'm gonna attach you 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.920 to my chest and we're gonna repel down this mountain 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.840 and you just got to be a good boy. They do. 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.200 I mean once they reach a certain level of training 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:45.280 they do and then the final is is tracking. Obviously, um, well, 0:29:45.320 --> 0:29:47.080 I mean this is this is after they passed those 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:53.960 three levels. But um tracking is urban tracking is level one, 0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.600 like you talked about that is that's the hardest thing 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.280 to do in this test is just off the charts. 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.440 To me. What they have a person do is they 0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:04.920 will be the target, like the you know, the whatever 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:07.640 they're looking for. So they will do a half mile 0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:12.040 to one mile track from one point to another in 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.920 high traffic area of a city, Like they'll go to 0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.040 like downtown New York and walk a half mile to 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:21.360 a mile. This dog is sitting there the whole time, 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.360 you know, with someone else. Uh, they have to cross 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:27.880 at least two intersections, make at least three right angle turns, 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:32.400 go down two blocks of alleyways, leaving you know, a 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:35.200 scent article along the way, like they're at least leaving 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.400 little nuggets shutting off skin cells, I guess, or maybe 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.760 dropping the comb in your back pocket. Uh. Then once 0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.720 you have laid down that track, another person crosses that 0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:49.760 track in at least one place, so they're adding scent 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.120 basically trying to throw this dog off. And then thirty 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.959 minutes later, after all of this, and after the target 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.160 is at the very end, they finally say, all right, 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.400 dog go and the dog has to find this target 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:04.720 and no more time than it took for the person 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.800 to lay down that track. Right and like you said, 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:11.640 waiting thirty minutes before they start after the person is finished, 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:15.680 that's impressive. That is super impressive. And there's distractions the 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.400 whole way to righte Like from from what I gathered, 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.239 this is actually done in like an actual city, Like 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:23.280 they don't have like a fake city built somewhere in 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.280 Colorado or something like that. Like this is a like 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.520 you your real town, this is happening in. So the 0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:34.520 more distractions the better, yea. And they hire people who 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:38.120 are wearing like um, drecar no wir and just to 0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:41.240 wander around everywhere to confuse the scent and everything. It's 0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.360 it's a it's a crazy jam for the dog's gross. 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.400 So let's um, actually, man, when's the last time you 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:52.880 smelled dre car no are? Oh? I don't know. I 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.840 have smelled it within the last year, and I gotta 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:57.240 tell you it holds up, maybe even more than it 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:02.480 I realized before. You know, how I feel about cologne. Um, 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.880 So I say we take our second break and then 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.440 come back and talk about what we've talked about. At 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.000 this point, it's just like basic training. Now we've got 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:39.600 to get into specialty training. Okay, yeah, we'll be right back. Okay, 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:42.640 So Chuck, your dog has been through Star training or 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:46.760 basic basic training for Star, but they haven't actually been 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.880 taught the star part yet. It's just they've just shown like, Okay, 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.720 I got it, I got what it takes. Let's you know, 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.840 put me in there, show me what to do. And 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.680 the way that you you train a dog to um 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:04.520 sir and and rescue by by alerting is just basically 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.240 taking their natural inclinations and again like focusing them and 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.720 amplifying them. And you do that through reward. And the 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.360 way that you train a dog through reward I'm having 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:18.320 trouble saying that for some reason, is that you identify 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.320 what that dog wants more in the world than anything else, 0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:25.680 whether it's a tennis ball, whether it's a nossages, whatever 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.880 it is. You figure out what that dog wants, the 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.480 thing that they will do anything to get, uh, and 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.480 that's what you use as their reward, and then you 0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.719 can start the star search and rescue training. Yeah, and 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.640 the reward is important to to be consistent with that, 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:46.040 with that reward because you can't even uh and they 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:51.360 pointed out even in horrible situations like nine eleven or 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:55.160 if they find like your family member, you know, their 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:58.480 body out on the woods, you need to discreetly take 0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.640 this dog off to the side and give them the reward. 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:06.000 And even if that means, you know, toss a frisbee, like, 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.359 if that's what it is, then that's what you gotta do. 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.319 Would should be a really just odd thing to see 0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:16.480 somebody playing frisbee with their dog, with the crying family 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.080 and a dead body in the woods with bloody hammers 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.239 sticking out of their forehead. Discreetly is the key word there. 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.840 I don't think you're like leaping over the body or 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.839 anything like. You just find a nearby area and then 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.080 go kind of discreetly carry out your reward, let's just hope. 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:37.960 So uh yeah. So it takes um about six hundred 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.080 and this is generalization, of course, but about six hundred 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:44.360 hours of training, which is a lot of hours for 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.600 a dog to be field ready. That's for the dog, yeah, Yeah, 0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.920 the humans have to go through what like a thousand hours, 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.040 that's what That's what this article says. Yeah, so that's 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.320 six hours of training between humans and dogs, which is 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.200 hilarious because it means that humans require more training than 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.120 the dogs to to do the job. And then and like, 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.120 I don't know, are humans rewarded? Are they like, here's 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:09.960 your martini, Chuck, You're like I would crawl through an 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:15.440 avalanche to get to a martini. That's my reward. So, um, 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.600 you the the whole way you start this again, you're 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.080 using their favorite thing in the world as a reward, 0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:26.839 and you teach them that they can go find their 0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.719 rewards somewhere. They normally want to find things, so if 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.399 you show them, okay, come find me is a good 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.000 way to start. And usually this takes two people. And 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.400 this article uses avalanche training as an example, but it 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:43.160 kind of generally applies to anything. Whatever your whatever specialty 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:46.319 you're training you're star dog to engage in. That's what 0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.960 that's kind of what you would teach them. So if 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:53.680 you're if you're training them under avalanche um guidelines, you 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.400 would go dig a hole in some snow and in 0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:59.759 perfect perfect line of sight with the dog, you would 0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.080 go no, no, no, no, and like go run and 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.000 jump into the hole in the snow, and you would 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.879 have your assistant holding the dog back. And then after 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.080 just a second after you make it into the hole, 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.560 they let the dog go. The dog runs after you, 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.799 and when the dog comes to get you, you just 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:16.719 praise it and love on it and give it its 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.120 ball or its snausages or whatever it is. And the 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:25.160 dogs like, okay, if I go find human, I will 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.120 get played with, I will get a reward whatever it 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:32.480 is that's really important to me. And now the the kernel, 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:35.359 the seed of search and rescue training has just been 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.960 planted in the dog. And dogs are smart, so it 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.440 doesn't take much more to kind of fluff it up 0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:46.120 into bona fide full search and rescue professionalism. Yeah, it's 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.919 kind of funny because dogs are super smart but also 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:55.200 very dumb in that, like it's just a simple reward 0:36:55.280 --> 0:37:00.479 situation like find person, get treat. Yeah, and that doesn't 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.200 mean dumb, but it's simplistic. I guess okay, good, I'm 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.680 glad you said say. It sounds more like dogs have 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.120 it figured out rather than being dumb. I've had some 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.919 dumb dogs. Well, sure, there's things dumb dogs the best. 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:19.640 There's dumb people too, so dumb shrews, dumb camels, dumb plants, 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.600 interesting point, dumb everything. Uh So, in the case of 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.440 the avalanche, you jump in the hole and that's great. 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.320 First first part accomplished. But then they'll do it again. 0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.000 But the person handling the dog holds onto them for 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.200 say five or ten seconds, then makes them go. Then 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.600 they just increase that time up until the point where 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.759 it's like five or ten minutes and the person has 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:47.040 buried themselves in the snow. And then the dog like 0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.920 that's the true test, Like it's been ten minutes. I 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:53.560 saw the person go and disappear, and now and imagine 0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.240 this isn't very fun for the person to bury themselves 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.319 in snow completely, but it's got to be done. And 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:01.600 then the dog finds a person and they get that 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.799 snausage or that frisbee play yep. And so each time 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:11.240 they're associating this new thing um, the increasingly complex game 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.839 of find the human um with their reward. So they're 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.280 learning this this new stuff. Holding the dog back increases 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.680 the amount of attention span and memory that's required to 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.640 to remember this game, and so over time the dog 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:28.560 learns if I go dig under snow, I can find 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.959 a person that I smell there and they'll probably play 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:35.160 with me. Um. Again, depends on how soon the dog 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:37.840 was led off on the scent of the person covered 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.839 by the avalanche. But that's what that's the game that 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.799 they learned. Yeah, and and they talk a lot about 0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:47.279 focus and concentration. But these dogs, I mean, it is 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.280 amazing because in a in a lot of these searches, 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.080 unless you like you're the first one on the scene, 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:56.440 there are people everywhere. There are sirens, there are bullhorns, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:01.400 there's equipment making loud noises, there are any distraction you 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.120 could think of that would freak a dog out is 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.520 on the scene all at once. And they say that 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.360 star dogs can get so good that they can not 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.200 only ignore all this, but they could they could walk 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:16.560 by a cheeseburger on a trail and just keep following 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.560 that scent. Yeah, which is where my dogs would fail. 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.080 You want to identify the star dog at a disaster area, 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:27.040 find the dog that's just casually filing its nails. That's 0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.440 the star dog every time. Yeah, there's no way my 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:35.080 dogs would ignore that. The food thing that would I'm 0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.600 always got this thing where her eyes get real big 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.080 and kind of bug out of her head and she 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.239 like uses a paw to kind of like gently like 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.840 tap you, like, hey, I'm right here. You want to 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:50.239 share some of that. So, UM, there's a couple other 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.360 things we should mention about this. This training, the avalanche 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.600 training we just mentioned, you can you can do that 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:58.520 with anything you can do with underwater training. Apparently it 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:00.920 involves the handler in the bow with the dog, but 0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:03.879 also a scuba diver hiding underwater. That's the best way 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:07.319 to train dogs on water. Um, you can do it 0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:12.440 with um simulated disaster like collapse buildings, that kind of stuff. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.040 So you can take this this idea that you're training 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.000 the dog that if they go look for a person, 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.520 the person might give them their snausage or their ball, 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.200 and that's what they're doing. So even when they're out 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:28.440 there searching for dead bodies in the woods, to the dog, 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:31.600 they're just playing a game. There's a bunch of people around, 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:34.640 there's a lot of sirens and like crying humans, and um, 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.800 we're like shovels and back house and all that stuff. 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.319 But the dogs just in the midst of all this, 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.400 the dog is playing a game of go find it, 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:47.320 which is why that reward is so key even in 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.920 the face of tragedy. Yeah. So, um, that that's the 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:55.480 dog training. We have to talk about training you because 0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:00.879 in in Soviet Russia, sorry, training trains you. Uh yeah, 0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.200 I mean you know most of these star handlers. Uh well, 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.600 we'll seek out this dog probably from the get go 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:09.880 um at a shelter and kind of start from from 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.799 day one as like this is my next star dog. Um. 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.320 Like we said earlier, they spent about a thousand hours 0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:19.560 of training as a human. Um, this is training the dog. 0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.239 This is also like you've got to be good in 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.680 the woods. You've got to know weather patterns. You've got 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.359 to know how to communicate on these radio comms and 0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.480 know how to work a compass. And most of these 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.520 people are a lot of more e m S certified. 0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.160 But the very least you're brushed up very well in 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:38.200 your CPR. Because if you're a couple of miles away 0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.399 and you're the person that comes upon the scene, you've 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:43.600 got to administer some some aid right there. One might 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:48.600 call it first aid. Yeah, you would. You gotta look 0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:52.080 good in cargo pants, yeah, for sure. Uh, you gotta 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:53.719 have a nice pair of hiking boots. You gotta be 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.360 able to wear a boot. This article UM quotes a 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:02.720 search and rescue handler UM who who says, the chief 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.319 thing that you have to be able to do is 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.840 to know where you are at any given point during 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:13.000 the search. UM. You have to precisely identify your coordinates, 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:15.160 which means you have to know that GPS, the compass, 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.440 the map, all that stuff you said, But you also 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:19.680 have to know it while you're following your dog with 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.160 a flashlight at night, because apparently at night is the 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.880 best time for a dog to search. So you have 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:28.080 to be really, really good at at identifying your coordinates. 0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.719 And the reason why is because dogs will often UM 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:35.000 give a sign, they'll alert that they found something even 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.879 though there doesn't seem to be anything there. But if 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:39.840 your dog does that, you want to note down the 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:43.000 coordinates and you keep searching. And if some other star 0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.319 dogs come along and they note the same area and 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.680 everybody compares notes afterwards, there you're going to go back 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.120 to that same area. But that that you need to 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.719 know exactly where the area is so you know that 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.600 there's something there and how to get back to it. 0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:00.160 So you really need to know what you're doing with 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.359 with um self coordination is what I'll call it. Yeah, 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:07.359 I would fail even if Nika was great. My my 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:12.759 legendary sense of that poor sense of direction would disqualify me. Yes, 0:43:13.360 --> 0:43:15.600 so that's why I don't do this. Didn't you get 0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:19.640 trapped in a cave one? Uh? No, I didn't get trapped. 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:24.240 You just didn't feel like leaving. What are you talking about. 0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:27.440 I went caving, and I went in and I went out. Okay, 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.080 there was no problems. I thought there was a problem. No, 0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:35.759 I mean the problems were. It was kind of scary, right, 0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:39.239 but I was I was with experienced speed lunkers who 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.040 got me all through it. Sure, but yeah, that was 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.600 that one pancake part that you've freaked out when I 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.360 even told you about it. Yeah, I don't want to 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:51.759 talk about it. So. Uh, if you are a star 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.440 team or you have a star dog, um, you are, 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:56.640 like you said, on call at all times, even if 0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:58.680 you're on vacation. That's why you travel with your dogs 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.360 a lot. Um You're always ready and I imagine it 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.640 could ruin a vacation. But if you're sitting around, you know, 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.439 pushing papers in an office, you you probably look forward 0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:10.600 to that call to get out in the in the 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.560 woods and do what you were trained to do with 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.279 your with your best pal. Yeah, exactly. So you get 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:18.879 the call out, Uh, you load up all your gear, 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.120 you you head out there. Um. It depends on what's 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.080 going on. You might be hopping on a helicopter or 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:27.839 a boat again, depending what's going on there. Um. And 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.040 this is where the obedience and all those distractions come 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.200 into play, and you're you're you know, it's up to 0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:36.640 you as the handler to be the alpha. Even though 0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:38.960 your dog needs to be good awfu leash and on 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.680 loose leash, it's still you're still in charge. And that's 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.120 that's a big part of it. So I think we 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.680 said that search and um urban search and rescue is 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.600 the hardest um kind of search and rescue for a 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.719 dog to do, not just because um it's it's difficult, 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.360 but because it can be it can really get a 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.120 dog down to find nothing but dead bodies. It's also 0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:08.440 extremely hazardous. You know that dogs poking around a collapsed building, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:12.880 that's a precarious place to be looking for survivors. UM. 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.879 So if you're an urban search and rescue dog from 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:17.839 what I saw. You don't want a dog that's over 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.280 three years old entering this or that's just too old, 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:23.239 So you want a younger dog. You want to start 0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.360 training them early on. But if you're an urban search 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:29.799 and rescue dog urban disaster search and rescue, UM, you're 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:32.879 probably not going to have an extremely long career in that. 0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:37.440 It's just too exhausting and it's too demanding. So you 0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:41.200 may as your as you kind of move towards retirement, UM, 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.360 get moved to different types of search and rescue that 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.080 are a little less demanding. And apparently the last step 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:51.480 before retirement is wilderness search and rescue because to a dog, 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:55.239 it's just a great day out in the woods. That's 0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:58.120 it's as good as it comes. Yeah. So after after 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.360 four or five years on the scene of collapsed buildings, 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.280 you get to run around the national forest and uh 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.080 and look for folks yep. And then after you finally 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.000 are retired, you get to lay around all day and 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.799 chase those squirrels you've been wanting to chase that whole time. Yes, 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.360 and unsurprisingly, UM, I would say most all of the 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:23.279 time you were probably sticking with the the trainer as 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.319 their good boy or girl. But if that is not 0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.920 possible for some reason, there are plenty of people that 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.480 will line up to adopt this sur dog. Oh yes, 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.000 because they are just as as um well trained as 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.480 they come. That's right. Uh, you got anything else now? Man? 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.799 I love these dog cats. So dogs. Yeah, I'd love 0:46:43.840 --> 0:46:47.320 to do something about just breeds and the original dogs 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:49.840 and how they evolved and all that good stuff. Okay, 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:54.399 have we not done how dogs works? I'm sure we have, yeah, 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:56.239 but I don't know if we got into all the Uh. 0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:00.360 You know, there's that movie out about the original dog, 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:05.360 the original domesticated dog. Um it's called Alpha, and I 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:08.080 think it's not true, but I think it may be 0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.799 based on what people believe might have happened, like one 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.320 human bonded with one wolf and that kind of started 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:20.239 the whole thing. Are you talking about dances with wolves? Yeah? 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.520 That's it. Oh no, no, no, that it was water World. 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.600 That's funny you bring that up. I was thinking about 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:30.640 that movie the other day and just how perfect the 0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:34.359 casting of Dennis Hopper was, because whoever casted him was like, 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:37.239 this movie's off the rails before we even started shooting. Yeah, 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.560 let's get Dennis Opper and Gary Busey in here? What's 0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:42.920 Gary Busey in it too? And I don't want to 0:47:42.920 --> 0:47:47.160 make fun of Gary Busey. He said you shouldn't real troubles. Well, 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:49.560 way to end this on a downer, will just stop 0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:51.880 right here. If you want to know more about star Dogs, 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.480 just start looking it up. There's all sorts of training 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.880 resources and everything you could hope to find on the internet. Um. 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:04.680 And since I said at it's time for a listener mail, Uh, 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:08.800 this is about Pando. Yes, um, And I have to 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.320 say that since we did that episode, I've often listened 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.799 to brown noise here at work while I'm trying to 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:18.680 concentrate on my my earbuds. But I have since switched 0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:23.239 to Aspen Forest, Oh and and wind. There's a great 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.760 like hour and a half recording of In the Field 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:28.920 of a It maybe Pando for all I know, but 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:33.640 it's really really lovely, highly recommended. Cool. So all right 0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.439 here we go. Hey guys, Uh and Jerry, I hope 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.600 you're having a wonderful day. You really enjoyed hearing episode 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:41.240 on Pando. My family has been taking an annual camping 0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:44.360 trip to Fish Lake, Utah since the early to mid nineties, 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:45.839 which is only a mile or two down the road 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.640 from Pando. It's like, how do you go a mile 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.320 from Pando that's that big and just not going to Pando? 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.200 All right? You know, maybe they don't know about Pando. 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:56.959 Oh he knows, he said. I've been hearing stories about 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.319 it since I was little and have always been astounded 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.239 by the magnitude and resilience of an organism like that. 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:06.480 The ungulate fences start right on the side of the road, 0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:09.640 and it's like night and day. You're driving along in 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:13.080 a fairly sparse aspen grove and then bam, there's a 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.680 wall of tall, dense aspens on one side, surrounded by 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.760 a fence. The other side of the road is offence 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.200 as well, but there's often cattle roaming, and the tree 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:24.719 population is considerably thinner. I'm an oil painter by trade 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:26.439 and recently did a commission of a nice little spot 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.000 in Pando and included a little picture here in the 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:32.480 email of the finished piece. It is wonderfully gorgeous place. 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.080 Saddens me to hear how much danger it's in. Thanks 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.239 for getting the word out there, guys. Hopefully something could 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:40.360 be done. Hope all is well. That is from Lawson 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.920 Barney in Colorado and asked him if people could view 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:46.680 his art, and he said, just go to Lawson Barney 0:49:46.719 --> 0:49:49.239 on Instagram. L A W S O N all one 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.080 word capital b A r n E y on Instagram 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:55.560 to see some of this stuff. Yes. Uh, Instagram is 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.120 a great place to find artists these days. That's what 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.400 I hear. Are you're not on I don't know you 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:03.399 know me? You gotta check it out. 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