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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from house stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant and first time ever

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Speaker 1: guest producer Andrews. It's very exciting. Yeah, I thought you

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Speaker 1: were saying he was a ghost or something. We'll know.

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Speaker 1: He's right beside you, right, But I mean he could

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Speaker 1: that was just a solid form. Sure, hey k a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we could use more ghost producers, we could, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to time benefits. No, you do not

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Speaker 1: have to do anything. Yep. He just pretty great. Press

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Speaker 1: a button and die? Oh so um, Chuck. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you remember. Several months ago we released

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Speaker 1: an episode and it was a good one if you

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Speaker 1: ask me. It was about search and rescue. Okay, do

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Speaker 1: you remember the episode right? And there was like you

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Speaker 1: saw urban search and rescue, wilderness search and rescue, and

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Speaker 1: in that episode I was like, man, we have to

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Speaker 1: do an episode on search and rescue dogs. Well, by god,

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Speaker 1: today is the day We're doing it. The only time

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Speaker 1: we've ever followed up on a promise in our career.

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Speaker 1: The prophecy has been fulfilled. It's right. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: today about search and rescue dogs and this, first of all,

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Speaker 1: this article is just genuine bona fide how stuff works,

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Speaker 1: quality from the olden days. Just checks all those boxes,

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Speaker 1: done in't it? Every box that's that's that's Mark one

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Speaker 1: in the favor of this episode that it's based on

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Speaker 1: that article. Mark two is that it's about dogs and

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Speaker 1: how much how great dogs are. And I just had

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Speaker 1: a really good time researching this one. Yeah, it's funny,

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Speaker 1: like during reading this whole thing and all this research

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Speaker 1: in my head, I just kept thinking, good boy, good girl.

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Speaker 1: I just kept saying that over and over. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: petting them behind the ears in your mind. So, um,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about star dogs, we're talking about search

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Speaker 1: and rescue dogs. Dogs that are trained to go find people.

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Speaker 1: Right there, they do two things. There's two components to

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Speaker 1: a search and rescue dogs job. It is to find

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Speaker 1: people and then to let their handler know that they

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Speaker 1: found the person. Right sure, because of a dog that

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Speaker 1: just find someone doesn't let anyone know. They'll just be

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Speaker 1: sitting around licking faces all day. Right, you're like, yes,

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Speaker 1: you you found me, know, go get help, and the

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Speaker 1: dogs like, I don't know, although I did like seeing

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Speaker 1: what was that one dog called that's trained to uh

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Speaker 1: to like stay there instead of going to to alert

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Speaker 1: everyone else victim loyalty? Is that behavior? Yeah? And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the case if there's if like someone is injured,

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Speaker 1: they may need that dog to just stay there and

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Speaker 1: start barking instead of saying, hey, I'm gonna run and

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Speaker 1: find someone and let and let them know that you're

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Speaker 1: not okay. Right. So, however they alert, as long as

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Speaker 1: they alert, that's good. That's the second part of the job.

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Speaker 1: As long as they don't wander off and like find

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Speaker 1: a craps game to engage in without telling anybody that

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Speaker 1: they found the person who's stranded in the wilderness, right,

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Speaker 1: which would not happen with the star dog because they

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Speaker 1: can focus like nobody's business right, right. So star dogs

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Speaker 1: are professional working dogs, right, just as much as like

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Speaker 1: a herding dog on a farm who actually does that

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Speaker 1: the Beagle Brigade we've talked about them before. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a working dog. But the the article that Julia

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Speaker 1: Layton wrote points out and I think really just kind

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Speaker 1: of changed my perspective on things and opened up my

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Speaker 1: eyes that what the dog is really doing is playing. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 1: so I mean the dog is not taking work seriously

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Speaker 1: And I just love that. Yeah, And and it really

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Speaker 1: hit home to me too, like when it pointed out that, um,

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Speaker 1: if you've ever had a dog that will like run

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Speaker 1: till their paws are bloody to get that tennis ball

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Speaker 1: or that coong, right, I guess I just name checked

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Speaker 1: a brand they should throw some dough for that. It's

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Speaker 1: wee staffy that's so Scottish. A wee staffy that was

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Speaker 1: a uh that like that town is magnificent. It's magic,

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Speaker 1: we need to do that. We need to get on

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Speaker 1: another UK tour. I could not agree more. Dude. Heck, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: with the Star Dogs though, Um, we cannot emphasize anymore

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Speaker 1: how much time is of the essence because whether it is,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into the various types of rescues, but

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Speaker 1: they're all pretty time sensitive. Whether it's a missing child,

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Speaker 1: saw on a site for an organization that offers stur

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Speaker 1: dog training, um for your dog, Like if you think

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Speaker 1: so much that um the dogs go on vacation with

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Speaker 1: And so you might say, well, okay, wait, wait, you

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Speaker 1: covered in snow, Dogs can find you underwater. Dogs can

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Speaker 1: pick up your scent sometimes when you're five away, right.

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Speaker 1: the difference between these dogs. But for for a scent dog, um,

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Speaker 1: they can they can be trained to find your scent underwater,

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Speaker 1: insulting the both of us. They Elvis should have said,

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Speaker 1: the most talented scent dog of all time. That would

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Speaker 1: career of Elvis Presley. Uh So, smell wise, dogs have

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Speaker 1: And this is all dogs. It doesn't mean all dogs

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Speaker 1: make good star dogs. But just because a little Momo

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Momo may not be a good star

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Speaker 1: dog for obvious reasons. But that doesn't mean Momo can't

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Speaker 1: smell a dead body in the ocean. No, and she does.

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Speaker 1: She just she goes and finds a game of craps

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Speaker 1: instead of telling anybody. That's because that's how you've trained her. Sure, now,

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Speaker 1: Momo would not be a very good star dog. She

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Speaker 1: would be a little sketched out on the scene of

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Speaker 1: a search and rescue mission. But she could she and

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Speaker 1: it's gross. But these are the dead skin cells that

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Speaker 1: dog for doing something for when they do do something right.

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Speaker 1: That's how you train a dog and that's the basis

426
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: of search and rescue training is it's all positive reinforcement

427
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: and reward UM. And the whole thing starts out with

428
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: just basic obedience. And it's at this point that Momo

429
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: would wash out of search and rescue trail, just right

430
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: out of the gate. Momo is her own person, and

431
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: we treat her as such, like she's our child, so

432
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: we don't treat her like a dog. So she has

433
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: come to not see herself as a dog. UM. She's

434
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: very good dog, very sweet and loyal and takes good

435
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: care of us. But she Um, she would just get

436
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: distracted and again a little freaked out and sketched out

437
00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: when the when the distractions came around. Yeah, Nicos stairs

438
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: at UM you know, we're living in a in a

439
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: rental house right now because we're doing work on our house.

440
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: So it's a very weird time for our whole family

441
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: to all of a sudden be uprooted in living in

442
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: a strange house out in the woods. But Nico just

443
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: sits and stairs in the window which overlooks a big

444
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: wooded lot, just movement, squirrels, birds or whatever. And the

445
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: second you open that door, she's so fast. She's like

446
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: a greyhound bolting for anything. And luckily she hasn't caught

447
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: anything yet. But um, I'm telling you, man, she'd be

448
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: a great star dog. Youlling reason I would not do

449
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: this because I want her around, not on location, helping people.

450
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: So I guess yeah, if I'm selfish, if it were

451
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: squirrel search and rescue, I think Mama would be excellent,

452
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: excellent at it. I agree, s S A R. Yeah,

453
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: maybe there is a call for that. We just don't

454
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: realize it because we don't speak squirrel. So yes, basic

455
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: obedience is level one, uh, just regular commands. Temperament is

456
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: super important. They have to be good with um strangers,

457
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: um other dogs. Obviously a lot of times there are

458
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of dogs on the scene and they can't

459
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: be like I'm gonna go fight that dog or play

460
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: with that dog. Uh. They have to be good on walks,

461
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: on loose leashes, but be good with crowds, all of

462
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: that stuff, I imagine really roots out and training a

463
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: bunch of dogs right off the bat. Yes, for sure.

464
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: Um so that's just basic obedience and you have to

465
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: you have to just knock that off the list out

466
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: of the gate. Sure, right, then you move on to

467
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: the you you move from you know, good well behaved

468
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: obedient dog too. Now we're starting to get into the

469
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: training a little bit, and you want to teach your dog,

470
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: um something really important that apparently comes up in search

471
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: and rescue that you are not the end all be

472
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: all in the world to this dog. This dog has

473
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: to be able to um to to take instruction from

474
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: people other than you, and to also show a tremendous

475
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: amount of concentration, self possession, non distraction. And the way

476
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that they test this usually when they're training search and

477
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: rescue dogs is they will um take a dog over

478
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: to a crowd of other dogs, and there will be

479
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: other people milling about and all that, and um, you,

480
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: the handler will will ask the dog to to lay

481
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: down or stay or sit and the dog and then

482
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: you leave, You go away at least out of sight.

483
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: I think this article says thirty feet away, and so

484
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: the dog can't see you anymore. And then over the

485
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: course of ten twenty minutes, other handlers come in and

486
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: take over responsibility of tending to this herd of dogs

487
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: that are all sitting around. And if your dog will

488
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: listen to your command that you gave one time to

489
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: stay here or sit or lay down whatever, the whole

490
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: time you're gone until you come back and tell them

491
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: that they can get up or whatever, then it's apparently

492
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: the test for canine professionalism pretty amazing, and I'm sure

493
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of different tests. There's no standardization

494
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: for search and rescue dog training except for the Female

495
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: Certification for Urban Search and Rescue Dogs. Um so I'm

496
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: sure there's different tests all over the place. But that's

497
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: a pretty good glimpse of what you need to expect

498
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: from your dog to to surpass the the second level,

499
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 1: the second echelot, and move on to the third one.

500
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: The second the second one is tough. I think the

501
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: third one is genuinely tough, not not necessarily for you

502
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: training the dog. I think the third one is the

503
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: tough one on the dog. Yeah, this is just raw

504
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: physical and mental ability and agility. So I mean they're

505
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: going through like an obstacle course. Basically, you can go

506
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: through tunnels. You can climb uh and incline of more

507
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: than uh I think a minimum of forty five degrees

508
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: on each side, like up and down. You can get

509
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: into a a cherry picker like we talked about and

510
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: go up really high without jumping out, or be in

511
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: that boat or be in that snowmobile or a helicopter

512
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: and not get freaked out like you have to. You know,

513
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: they don't crank up the helicopter usually, like once you

514
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: get in that thing and we've all seen mash you

515
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: gotta run up to a helicopter whose blades are spinning,

516
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to do that. No, no, so,

517
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: but your dog needs to be able to like, come on,

518
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: let's go, I'll all the man, all man the machine gun. Yeah,

519
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: or hey, get in this harness. I'm gonna attach you

520
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: to my chest and we're gonna repel down this mountain

521
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: and you just got to be a good boy. They do.

522
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: I mean once they reach a certain level of training

523
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: they do and then the final is is tracking. Obviously, um, well,

524
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean this is this is after they passed those

525
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: three levels. But um tracking is urban tracking is level one,

526
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: like you talked about that is that's the hardest thing

527
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: to do in this test is just off the charts.

528
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: To me. What they have a person do is they

529
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: will be the target, like the you know, the whatever

530
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: they're looking for. So they will do a half mile

531
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: to one mile track from one point to another in

532
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: high traffic area of a city, Like they'll go to

533
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: like downtown New York and walk a half mile to

534
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: a mile. This dog is sitting there the whole time,

535
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, with someone else. Uh, they have to cross

536
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: at least two intersections, make at least three right angle turns,

537
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: go down two blocks of alleyways, leaving you know, a

538
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: scent article along the way, like they're at least leaving

539
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: little nuggets shutting off skin cells, I guess, or maybe

540
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: dropping the comb in your back pocket. Uh. Then once

541
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: you have laid down that track, another person crosses that

542
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: track in at least one place, so they're adding scent

543
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: basically trying to throw this dog off. And then thirty

544
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,959
Speaker 1: minutes later, after all of this, and after the target

545
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: is at the very end, they finally say, all right,

546
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: dog go and the dog has to find this target

547
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: and no more time than it took for the person

548
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: to lay down that track. Right and like you said,

549
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: waiting thirty minutes before they start after the person is finished,

550
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: that's impressive. That is super impressive. And there's distractions the

551
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: whole way to righte Like from from what I gathered,

552
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 1: this is actually done in like an actual city, Like

553
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: they don't have like a fake city built somewhere in

554
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Colorado or something like that. Like this is a like

555
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: you your real town, this is happening in. So the

556
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: more distractions the better, yea. And they hire people who

557
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: are wearing like um, drecar no wir and just to

558
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: wander around everywhere to confuse the scent and everything. It's

559
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: it's a it's a crazy jam for the dog's gross.

560
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: So let's um, actually, man, when's the last time you

561
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: smelled dre car no are? Oh? I don't know. I

562
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: have smelled it within the last year, and I gotta

563
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: tell you it holds up, maybe even more than it

564
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: I realized before. You know, how I feel about cologne. Um,

565
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: So I say we take our second break and then

566
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: come back and talk about what we've talked about. At

567
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: this point, it's just like basic training. Now we've got

568
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: to get into specialty training. Okay, yeah, we'll be right back. Okay,

569
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: So Chuck, your dog has been through Star training or

570
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: basic basic training for Star, but they haven't actually been

571
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: taught the star part yet. It's just they've just shown like, Okay,

572
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: I got it, I got what it takes. Let's you know,

573
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: put me in there, show me what to do. And

574
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: the way that you you train a dog to um

575
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: sir and and rescue by by alerting is just basically

576
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: taking their natural inclinations and again like focusing them and

577
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: amplifying them. And you do that through reward. And the

578
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: way that you train a dog through reward I'm having

579
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: trouble saying that for some reason, is that you identify

580
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: what that dog wants more in the world than anything else,

581
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: whether it's a tennis ball, whether it's a nossages, whatever

582
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: it is. You figure out what that dog wants, the

583
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: thing that they will do anything to get, uh, and

584
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: that's what you use as their reward, and then you

585
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: can start the star search and rescue training. Yeah, and

586
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: the reward is important to to be consistent with that,

587
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: with that reward because you can't even uh and they

588
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: pointed out even in horrible situations like nine eleven or

589
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: if they find like your family member, you know, their

590
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: body out on the woods, you need to discreetly take

591
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: this dog off to the side and give them the reward.

592
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: And even if that means, you know, toss a frisbee, like,

593
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: if that's what it is, then that's what you gotta do.

594
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: Would should be a really just odd thing to see

595
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: somebody playing frisbee with their dog, with the crying family

596
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: and a dead body in the woods with bloody hammers

597
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: sticking out of their forehead. Discreetly is the key word there.

598
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you're like leaping over the body or

599
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: anything like. You just find a nearby area and then

600
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: go kind of discreetly carry out your reward, let's just hope.

601
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: So uh yeah. So it takes um about six hundred

602
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: and this is generalization, of course, but about six hundred

603
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: hours of training, which is a lot of hours for

604
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: a dog to be field ready. That's for the dog, yeah, Yeah,

605
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: the humans have to go through what like a thousand hours,

606
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: that's what That's what this article says. Yeah, so that's

607
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: six hours of training between humans and dogs, which is

608
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: hilarious because it means that humans require more training than

609
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: the dogs to to do the job. And then and like,

610
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, are humans rewarded? Are they like, here's

611
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: your martini, Chuck, You're like I would crawl through an

612
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: avalanche to get to a martini. That's my reward. So, um,

613
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: you the the whole way you start this again, you're

614
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: using their favorite thing in the world as a reward,

615
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: and you teach them that they can go find their

616
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: rewards somewhere. They normally want to find things, so if

617
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: you show them, okay, come find me is a good

618
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: way to start. And usually this takes two people. And

619
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: this article uses avalanche training as an example, but it

620
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: kind of generally applies to anything. Whatever your whatever specialty

621
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: you're training you're star dog to engage in. That's what

622
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you would teach them. So if

623
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: you're if you're training them under avalanche um guidelines, you

624
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: would go dig a hole in some snow and in

625
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: perfect perfect line of sight with the dog, you would

626
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: go no, no, no, no, and like go run and

627
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: jump into the hole in the snow, and you would

628
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: have your assistant holding the dog back. And then after

629
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: just a second after you make it into the hole,

630
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: they let the dog go. The dog runs after you,

631
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: and when the dog comes to get you, you just

632
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: praise it and love on it and give it its

633
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: ball or its snausages or whatever it is. And the

634
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: dogs like, okay, if I go find human, I will

635
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: get played with, I will get a reward whatever it

636
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: is that's really important to me. And now the the kernel,

637
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: the seed of search and rescue training has just been

638
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: planted in the dog. And dogs are smart, so it

639
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: doesn't take much more to kind of fluff it up

640
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: into bona fide full search and rescue professionalism. Yeah, it's

641
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 1: kind of funny because dogs are super smart but also

642
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: very dumb in that, like it's just a simple reward

643
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: situation like find person, get treat. Yeah, and that doesn't

644
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: mean dumb, but it's simplistic. I guess okay, good, I'm

645
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: glad you said say. It sounds more like dogs have

646
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: it figured out rather than being dumb. I've had some

647
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: dumb dogs. Well, sure, there's things dumb dogs the best.

648
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: There's dumb people too, so dumb shrews, dumb camels, dumb plants,

649
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: interesting point, dumb everything. Uh So, in the case of

650
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: the avalanche, you jump in the hole and that's great.

651
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: First first part accomplished. But then they'll do it again.

652
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: But the person handling the dog holds onto them for

653
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: say five or ten seconds, then makes them go. Then

654
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: they just increase that time up until the point where

655
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: it's like five or ten minutes and the person has

656
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: buried themselves in the snow. And then the dog like

657
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: that's the true test, Like it's been ten minutes. I

658
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: saw the person go and disappear, and now and imagine

659
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: this isn't very fun for the person to bury themselves

660
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: in snow completely, but it's got to be done. And

661
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: then the dog finds a person and they get that

662
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: snausage or that frisbee play yep. And so each time

663
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: they're associating this new thing um, the increasingly complex game

664
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: of find the human um with their reward. So they're

665
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: learning this this new stuff. Holding the dog back increases

666
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: the amount of attention span and memory that's required to

667
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: to remember this game, and so over time the dog

668
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: learns if I go dig under snow, I can find

669
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: a person that I smell there and they'll probably play

670
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: with me. Um. Again, depends on how soon the dog

671
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: was led off on the scent of the person covered

672
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: by the avalanche. But that's what that's the game that

673
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: they learned. Yeah, and and they talk a lot about

674
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: focus and concentration. But these dogs, I mean, it is

675
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: amazing because in a in a lot of these searches,

676
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: unless you like you're the first one on the scene,

677
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: there are people everywhere. There are sirens, there are bullhorns,

678
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: there's equipment making loud noises, there are any distraction you

679
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: could think of that would freak a dog out is

680
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: on the scene all at once. And they say that

681
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: star dogs can get so good that they can not

682
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: only ignore all this, but they could they could walk

683
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: by a cheeseburger on a trail and just keep following

684
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: that scent. Yeah, which is where my dogs would fail.

685
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: You want to identify the star dog at a disaster area,

686
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: find the dog that's just casually filing its nails. That's

687
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: the star dog every time. Yeah, there's no way my

688
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: dogs would ignore that. The food thing that would I'm

689
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: always got this thing where her eyes get real big

690
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: and kind of bug out of her head and she

691
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: like uses a paw to kind of like gently like

692
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: tap you, like, hey, I'm right here. You want to

693
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: share some of that. So, UM, there's a couple other

694
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: things we should mention about this. This training, the avalanche

695
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: training we just mentioned, you can you can do that

696
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: with anything you can do with underwater training. Apparently it

697
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: involves the handler in the bow with the dog, but

698
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: also a scuba diver hiding underwater. That's the best way

699
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: to train dogs on water. Um, you can do it

700
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: with um simulated disaster like collapse buildings, that kind of stuff.

701
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: So you can take this this idea that you're training

702
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: the dog that if they go look for a person,

703
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: the person might give them their snausage or their ball,

704
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and that's what they're doing. So even when they're out

705
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: there searching for dead bodies in the woods, to the dog,

706
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: they're just playing a game. There's a bunch of people around,

707
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sirens and like crying humans, and um,

708
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: we're like shovels and back house and all that stuff.

709
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: But the dogs just in the midst of all this,

710
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: the dog is playing a game of go find it,

711
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: which is why that reward is so key even in

712
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: the face of tragedy. Yeah. So, um, that that's the

713
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: dog training. We have to talk about training you because

714
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: in in Soviet Russia, sorry, training trains you. Uh yeah,

715
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean you know most of these star handlers. Uh well,

716
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: we'll seek out this dog probably from the get go

717
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: um at a shelter and kind of start from from

718
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: day one as like this is my next star dog. Um.

719
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: Like we said earlier, they spent about a thousand hours

720
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: of training as a human. Um, this is training the dog.

721
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: This is also like you've got to be good in

722
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: the woods. You've got to know weather patterns. You've got

723
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: to know how to communicate on these radio comms and

724
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: know how to work a compass. And most of these

725
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: people are a lot of more e m S certified.

726
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: But the very least you're brushed up very well in

727
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: your CPR. Because if you're a couple of miles away

728
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: and you're the person that comes upon the scene, you've

729
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: got to administer some some aid right there. One might

730
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: call it first aid. Yeah, you would. You gotta look

731
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: good in cargo pants, yeah, for sure. Uh, you gotta

732
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: have a nice pair of hiking boots. You gotta be

733
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: able to wear a boot. This article UM quotes a

734
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: search and rescue handler UM who who says, the chief

735
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: thing that you have to be able to do is

736
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: to know where you are at any given point during

737
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: the search. UM. You have to precisely identify your coordinates,

738
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: which means you have to know that GPS, the compass,

739
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: the map, all that stuff you said, But you also

740
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: have to know it while you're following your dog with

741
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: a flashlight at night, because apparently at night is the

742
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: best time for a dog to search. So you have

743
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: to be really, really good at at identifying your coordinates.

744
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because dogs will often UM

745
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: give a sign, they'll alert that they found something even

746
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: though there doesn't seem to be anything there. But if

747
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: your dog does that, you want to note down the

748
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: coordinates and you keep searching. And if some other star

749
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: dogs come along and they note the same area and

750
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: everybody compares notes afterwards, there you're going to go back

751
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: to that same area. But that that you need to

752
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: know exactly where the area is so you know that

753
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: there's something there and how to get back to it.

754
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: So you really need to know what you're doing with

755
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: with um self coordination is what I'll call it. Yeah,

756
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: I would fail even if Nika was great. My my

757
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: legendary sense of that poor sense of direction would disqualify me. Yes,

758
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: so that's why I don't do this. Didn't you get

759
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: trapped in a cave one? Uh? No, I didn't get trapped.

760
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: You just didn't feel like leaving. What are you talking about.

761
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: I went caving, and I went in and I went out. Okay,

762
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: there was no problems. I thought there was a problem. No,

763
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: I mean the problems were. It was kind of scary, right,

764
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: but I was I was with experienced speed lunkers who

765
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: got me all through it. Sure, but yeah, that was

766
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: that one pancake part that you've freaked out when I

767
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: even told you about it. Yeah, I don't want to

768
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: talk about it. So. Uh, if you are a star

769
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: team or you have a star dog, um, you are,

770
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: like you said, on call at all times, even if

771
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: you're on vacation. That's why you travel with your dogs

772
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot. Um You're always ready and I imagine it

773
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: could ruin a vacation. But if you're sitting around, you know,

774
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: pushing papers in an office, you you probably look forward

775
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: to that call to get out in the in the

776
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: woods and do what you were trained to do with

777
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: your with your best pal. Yeah, exactly. So you get

778
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: the call out, Uh, you load up all your gear,

779
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: you you head out there. Um. It depends on what's

780
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: going on. You might be hopping on a helicopter or

781
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: a boat again, depending what's going on there. Um. And

782
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: this is where the obedience and all those distractions come

783
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: into play, and you're you're you know, it's up to

784
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: you as the handler to be the alpha. Even though

785
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: your dog needs to be good awfu leash and on

786
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: loose leash, it's still you're still in charge. And that's

787
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it. So I think we

788
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: said that search and um urban search and rescue is

789
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: the hardest um kind of search and rescue for a

790
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: dog to do, not just because um it's it's difficult,

791
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: but because it can be it can really get a

792
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: dog down to find nothing but dead bodies. It's also

793
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: extremely hazardous. You know that dogs poking around a collapsed building,

794
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: that's a precarious place to be looking for survivors. UM.

795
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: So if you're an urban search and rescue dog from

796
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: what I saw. You don't want a dog that's over

797
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: three years old entering this or that's just too old,

798
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: So you want a younger dog. You want to start

799
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: training them early on. But if you're an urban search

800
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: and rescue dog urban disaster search and rescue, UM, you're

801
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: probably not going to have an extremely long career in that.

802
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: It's just too exhausting and it's too demanding. So you

803
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: may as your as you kind of move towards retirement, UM,

804
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: get moved to different types of search and rescue that

805
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: are a little less demanding. And apparently the last step

806
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: before retirement is wilderness search and rescue because to a dog,

807
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: it's just a great day out in the woods. That's

808
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: it's as good as it comes. Yeah. So after after

809
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: four or five years on the scene of collapsed buildings,

810
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: you get to run around the national forest and uh

811
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and look for folks yep. And then after you finally

812
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: are retired, you get to lay around all day and

813
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: chase those squirrels you've been wanting to chase that whole time. Yes,

814
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: and unsurprisingly, UM, I would say most all of the

815
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: time you were probably sticking with the the trainer as

816
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: their good boy or girl. But if that is not

817
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: possible for some reason, there are plenty of people that

818
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: will line up to adopt this sur dog. Oh yes,

819
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: because they are just as as um well trained as

820
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: they come. That's right. Uh, you got anything else now? Man?

821
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I love these dog cats. So dogs. Yeah, I'd love

822
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: to do something about just breeds and the original dogs

823
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: and how they evolved and all that good stuff. Okay,

824
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: have we not done how dogs works? I'm sure we have, yeah,

825
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: but I don't know if we got into all the Uh.

826
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: You know, there's that movie out about the original dog,

827
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: the original domesticated dog. Um it's called Alpha, and I

828
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: think it's not true, but I think it may be

829
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: based on what people believe might have happened, like one

830
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: human bonded with one wolf and that kind of started

831
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Are you talking about dances with wolves? Yeah?

832
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: That's it. Oh no, no, no, that it was water World.

833
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: That's funny you bring that up. I was thinking about

834
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: that movie the other day and just how perfect the

835
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: casting of Dennis Hopper was, because whoever casted him was like,

836
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: this movie's off the rails before we even started shooting. Yeah,

837
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: let's get Dennis Opper and Gary Busey in here? What's

838
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: Gary Busey in it too? And I don't want to

839
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: make fun of Gary Busey. He said you shouldn't real troubles. Well,

840
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: way to end this on a downer, will just stop

841
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: right here. If you want to know more about star Dogs,

842
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: just start looking it up. There's all sorts of training

843
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: resources and everything you could hope to find on the internet. Um.

844
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: And since I said at it's time for a listener mail, Uh,

845
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: this is about Pando. Yes, um, And I have to

846
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: say that since we did that episode, I've often listened

847
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: to brown noise here at work while I'm trying to

848
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: concentrate on my my earbuds. But I have since switched

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Speaker 1: it's really really lovely, highly recommended. Cool. So all right

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Speaker 1: here we go. Hey guys, Uh and Jerry, I hope

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Speaker 1: you're having a wonderful day. You really enjoyed hearing episode

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Speaker 1: on Pando. My family has been taking an annual camping

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Speaker 1: trip to Fish Lake, Utah since the early to mid nineties,

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Speaker 1: from Pando. It's like, how do you go a mile

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Speaker 1: from Pando that's that big and just not going to Pando?

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Speaker 1: All right? You know, maybe they don't know about Pando.

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Speaker 1: Oh he knows, he said. I've been hearing stories about

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Speaker 1: it since I was little and have always been astounded

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Speaker 1: by the magnitude and resilience of an organism like that.

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Speaker 1: The ungulate fences start right on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: a fairly sparse aspen grove and then bam, there's a

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Speaker 1: population is considerably thinner. I'm an oil painter by trade

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Speaker 1: Saddens me to hear how much danger it's in. Thanks

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