WEBVTT - Ep 82: Adam Green 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.440 I feel like it's like midnight right now. Do you mind? 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:04.360 Are you feeling jet that got You're just. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:06.640 Well, I think I'm just like a little bit. I'm 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.959 already kind of like exhausted from the tour. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.920 It's only been three days, you know. This is Midnight 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.079 Chats and welcome to episode eighty two, where tonight my 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.279 guest is Adam Green, who you may know from way 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.360 back in his Moldy Peaches days. That was a band 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.560 that he formed when he was just fourteen years old 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.960 with Kimya Dawson in nineteen ninety four. I suppose they 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.479 didn't really reach us as a public until the early 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:36.199 two thousands when the whole Strokes New York thing blew up. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.920 They were a big part of that. They were a 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.760 huge part of the freak folk scene to come out 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.120 of New York at that time, but they disappeared quite quickly. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.879 They went on hiatus in two thousand and two, and 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.360 since then Adam and Kimia have both been releasing solo albums. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:55.080 Adam's just put out his tenth, which is called Engineer Paradise. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.200 It comes with a comic book that you can download 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:00.200 on his website for free, or you can buy a 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.560 hard copy of it as well. We talk a bit 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.640 about that. But another thing that we talk about in 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:11.800 this podcast, which is quite mad, is his Aladdin film. 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.120 His album before this one that was a soundtrack to 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.280 a reimagining of the Aladdin story. But as well as 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.559 the soundtrack, Adam made a movie, a feature length movie 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.440 where all of the props were made with papier mache, 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.920 which is as insane as it sounds. He still did 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.960 it though, and he painted all of the all of 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:36.760 the backdrops and the scenes. He cast Macaulay Culkin in it, 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.800 and he overdubbed all the voices for some unknown reason, 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.400 although we talk a little bit about that. So there's 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.039 a link in the bottom of this podcast where you 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.560 can view the whole film. It's up on YouTube. It's 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.640 easy to find, but there is a link there. There's 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:52.040 a few other links as well, because we do talk 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.760 a lot about just some mad stuff that's Adam's done. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.280 He's an artist who just loves creating things and he 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.240 always goes the extra mile. So I've pointed, you know, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.400 you in a direction of a few of those things. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.480 Thank you for listening though, and don't forget I know, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:09.280 we go on about it a lot. But if you 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.840 do like the podcast enough to consider supporting it, the 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.080 best way you can do it is by subscribing to 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.639 Loud and Quiet magazine. It costs three pounds a month 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.320 and all the information is at Loud and Quiet dot 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.280 com forward slash subscribe. This is a lovely window. We're 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:29.680 satin in West London. You obviously know London really well. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.840 Now I know it pretty well, but I don't. I 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.640 still need my phone maps to get around. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.840 Sure, yeah, I think I still need those though, to 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.240 be fair, But can you remember that when was the 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.560 first time you came here? Because I should say the 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.000 reason you know London so well out other than touring 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.880 here and playing a lot here. Your wife grew up here, 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:52.839 your family here, you visit a lot. 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.720 Yeah, I mean, you know, my wife grew up in 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.679 West Hampstead and you know went to school around the 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.839 corner from here, so you know, England has been sort 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.200 of home base in different ways. Also because of rough Trade, 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.440 you know, getting signed to that label when I was 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.360 nineteen coming over here. So yeah, it's just been a 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.160 lot of you know, a lot of London. 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:15.760 I like it, you know what. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:17.560 So it was the first time you came here, was 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.560 that on on rough Trade business? Was that as a 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:21.519 musician you came. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:23.760 Well, you know, the first first time I came here ever, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.880 was when I was fourteen years old on a family vacation. Okay, 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.480 and honestly rough Trade, the Portobello Road store or wait no, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.920 and I'm sorry, there was the Covent Garden store. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.680 That was it. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.480 That was definitely on my destinations that you know, I 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.480 was interested in going, you know, visiting here. It was 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.560 like that in a Carnivie Street, right. 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.560 Did they live up to your expectations? 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.480 Yeah? It was neat of course. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.240 That was a great record store when it was there. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.520 Yeah, yeah, you know it's not there anymore. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.040 No, No, it's it's they've moved a big one out 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.120 east and they coasted down that central one. But that's 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.000 anyone was tiny. It's like just to go down as 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.640 spiral stairs to get it was underneath the skate shop. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:07.240 Right right, yes, yes, So anyways, just so I I 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.520 had brought I had at that time made a seven 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.640 inch record that was a MOULDI Peaches record that was 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.720 the first uh one, and and I brought it to 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:15.680 the shop and they bought two copies from me. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.720 Okay, you know, so you could go home and tell 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:19.159 people that you were being stopped in London. 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:20.680 Yeah, it was fun. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.600 Can you remember what your first impressions of. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.760 This place was, well, as like a little kid. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.080 Yeah, because you because because as you say, even back 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.039 then you were you were already making music and the 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.960 Maldi Peaches was a thing. Or even though you were fourteen, it. 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.960 Was a concept. I mean we had we had this one, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.880 this one little record. But yeah, I mean, you know, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.919 it was my Firstly, my first impressions were like eating 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:53.320 like pub food like Plowman's something, you know, like actually, 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.560 I think that food has changed so much since I 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.320 first came up, right, Yeah, I mean, well, you know, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.640 I like I've developed taste. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.480 For a lot of the sort of traditional British stuff. 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.760 I like it, you know, like like roast dinners. 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:10.880 Sure, I mean, uh, you know, any anything like you know, 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:12.920 because like I was eating a lot of like roadstop 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:19.960 food like ginsters, sandwiches and pickle whatever, Chad, what do 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.599 you call it? Cheddar and pickle sandwich? But you know, yeah, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:26.560 but uh like I like that stuff, you know. And 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.719 but but I've noticed that, uh, the country took like 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.400 a massively transformative Uh you know, it's like as if they, 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.599 like the government said that they had to change what 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:38.320 the food. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.479 Was, yeah, to get so so people would come back. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.880 I think maybe there's a Jeffrey Lewis song that people 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:46.240 have to listen to about the food, how he loves 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.080 the food here. Really yeah, I think it's called My 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.719 favorite thing about England is the food. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.080 You gotta listen to it. I mean it is really great. Anyway, 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.720 everyone should listen to all of Jeff's music. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.239 Well you must know him quite well. 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.039 Yeah, well we both came out of the anti folks 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.800 scene in New York, and Jeff is really like native 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.000 to that. I mean, you know, the Ani folks scene 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.200 is sort of you know, centralized around. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.000 The East Village. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.120 Well, actually, the Ani folk scene kind of doesn't even 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.279 really exist in that way anymore because there's no official 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.360 open mic because it closed Sidewalk Cafe. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.080 Is that just because of gentrification? 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:26.800 Well, you know, the I think the owner was sick 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.560 of owning that restaurant and you know didn't care if 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.680 you know it meant this or that too, you know 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.240 a group of people, you know, I mean I think 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.039 that he cared, but just not enough not to sell 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:44.680 it right, you know. And but but along Avenue A 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.159 is sort of the stretch of you know, this sort 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.520 of and when I when I came to the city, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.159 people were like carrying acoustic guitars down Avenue A. Like 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.440 that was you know, like everyone had a guitar, you know, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.960 and you could like sit in the park and play. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.279 And well yeah, with that been like the late nineties, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.480 late nineties, okay radio, Okay, I. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.160 Mean that's when I first started to play out in 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.120 the city, you know, because I'm from the suburbs. But yeah, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.240 like and Jeff grew up right near there. He's like 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.840 I think he grew up on like fourth and fourth 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:19.320 and a right, so he was you know, like I 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.040 remember the first time when the when the Village Voice 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.120 gave Jeff a bad review, and I thought, but he 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.160 is the Village Voice. I mean, he's the like he's 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:28.760 the kid that actually grew up here, you know, telling 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.280 you what he thinks. But in New York, it's like, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.160 you know, I kind of like this idea that like 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.280 everyone has to sort of walk past each other, like 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:38.440 you know, like I mean, I'm you know, can like 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.720 stumble out of a you know whatever, my friend's apartment 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.400 and walk by like Al Gore yeah or whatever, you know, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.640 I mean like because it's just New York and everyone 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.040 is like sharing this like little piece of terrain, you know, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:51.920 and that I like that. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.080 Who is the best person you've walked past in the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:54.800 street in New York? 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.720 Just that for some reason that Al Gore popped in 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:57.880 my head because that was unexpected. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:07:58.680 True. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.480 Yeah, I just one time I just walked right by 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.160 Al Gore and I was like, oh, that was weird. 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.080 But yeah, I mean, uh, who's the craziest person I 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.560 walked by? The First person I ever saw that was 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:09.160 famous in New. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.120 York was John Waters. 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:11.560 Okay, it was. 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.240 Really you know, I I you know, I was I 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.640 was in high school, kind of same kind of temperament 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.960 where I was going to go like show people that 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.800 I did art. And I and I went to Chelsea 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.840 because you know, I heard that's like an exciting place 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.600 for for for art and and you know I had 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.960 seen that movie Basket Yacht. Yeah, and you know I 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.840 was like making drawings, like you know, on the sidewalk 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.240 and like trying to get people to buy them. And 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.040 John Waters walked by, and I tried to get him 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:39.320 to buy my drawing, you know, uh no. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.760 But it was cool to see him. I bet it was, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.760 you know, yeah, I don't know. And uh uh. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.120 It's funny because you know, you walk by people like 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.440 or you know, I you know, like for example, Rick 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.200 Okaesa had just has just died recently, but I remember 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.320 I'd always walked by him and he's such a you know, 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.400 he was such a tall guy and he looked so distinctive. 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.520 You know when I think about walking downtown, like if 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.280 you passed by like Jim Jarmush or like people like 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:10.920 that that are so you know, it's almost like the 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.200 reason why people come to live. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.880 In New York. And yeah, yeah, so it's neat. So 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.600 and lou Reid, you know who used to walk around. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.360 Did you ever speak to lou Reid? 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.760 I did? I did, well, very briefly. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.559 Okay, how was that? Because we had Karen I was 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.560 on the podcast a few episodes ago and we were 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.160 talking about lou Reid and I asked her if she'd 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.160 ever met him, and she said she hadn't she had 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.040 had the opportunity to, and she decides to think better 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.760 of it. She didn't want to go there, you. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.480 Know, maybe she she was kind of wise. I mean 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.760 one time I was invited to a concert of his 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.800 and I, you know, he we were a bunch of 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.480 us were in a circle and he started telling this 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.880 long anecdote about you know, I think it was like 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.840 about his friend's funeral, and it ended with a joke. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:54.959 And the whole time I was, you know, thinking, oh 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.880 my god, lou Reid's talking, Louie's talking. And then when 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.240 he ended with the joke, like I didn't laugh because 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:00.880 I you know, I I didn't even get the joke. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.920 I didn't know what was happening. And he just was like, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.720 well I thought that was funny, but whatever. But you know, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:06.920 but you would see him. I mean, like lots of 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.760 my friends have stories, and you know, like he'd be 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.040 like in the movie theater or you know, like you 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:12.360 get like I remember, I remember walking out of the 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:13.920 subway and like he was just there in like some 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:15.880 leather pants, and I was like, wow, the reads on 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.760 you know. Yeah, I mean, and it's cool. I mean, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.680 but these are silly stories. I don't these aren't even stories. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.360 But you know, but whatever, it's cool to walk around 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.400 and I like that people all have to see each other. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.760 Yeah, and there is something still like even if you 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.599 kind of don't really it's not very cool, is it 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.560 to say that you buy into the fame thing. But 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:37.640 at the same time, if you see someone who is 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:42.360 unmistakably this big character from you know, film or TV, right, 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.439 there is something that is a little thrill in seeing 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:46.280 them in real life. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:46.840 Definitely. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.360 You know, I think you almost know how famous somebody 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.079 is or how much gravity they have by how much 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.480 you can't think about anything else than that they're next 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.400 to you. Yeah, that's how you can figure it out. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.720 Yeah, yeah, that's when you know they're famous. Yeah. So 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.000 the new records, you've our Engine to Paradise, right, it 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.760 comes with a comic this one, right, But. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:06.600 Well no it doesn't. 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.480 I mean, well, there is a comic component, you know, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.800 like there's the kind of companion piece is a comic 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.200 and a and a graph. So the graphic novel and 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.920 the album, and they kind of are I wrote them 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:21.679 both at the same time, so they have overlapping lines, sure, 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.559 and you know thematically maybe connected, but you know, very loosely. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.800 And so the graphic novel anyone can download for free 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.079 if they want, just go to my website. It's Adam 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.040 Green dot info and you can download a PDF of 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.160 the whole book. It's like one hundred and fifty pages, right, 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.240 and the album, you know, people can stream. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.640 Sure and with the But the is the comic about 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.120 robot insects, that's why. Yes, okay, yeah, So to tell 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:47.960 tell me a bit about the comic, yeah, okay. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.000 Well, so there is a species of AI robot insects 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.160 called insects with an X like sex, okay, and they 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.360 are made by this sort of visionary inventor called the 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.440 Doge of the Internet, who runs this sort of like 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:04.480 futuristic idealistic tech company. And so she's developed this new 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.520 species of brilliant insects. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:07.040 And then the. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.600 People of the regular world, which is the world of 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:12.520 my a Ladin movie. This in a way, this whole 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.200 story is basically the sequel in a way to My 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.520 Laddin movie. Okay, right, And so it's in regular world 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.120 and the people in regular world are getting upset because 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.920 kind of like the xenophobic things with immigration. The insects 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.199 are coming in and you know, they're kind of their 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.679 other and they're taking their jobs and you know, surpassing 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.360 them in certain ways, and they're suspicious of it, and 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:40.120 you know, they want them out, and because of some disinformation, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.600 kind of insidious plot, they end up like having a 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.040 clash of civilizations and they go to war. And the 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.600 first half of the book is in the sort of war, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.800 and the second half is in the afterlife. So the 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:55.720 second half of the book, we're in the afterlife and 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.839 you get to see kind of like different. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:00.560 You know, the ways. 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:04.680 I mean, I read a bit about the afterlife from 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.319 different mythologies, and I kind of made a composite of 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.800 you know, all after lives. You get a little bit 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.160 of Tibetan Buddhists the best of Yeah, it's kind. 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:15.880 I think it's funny. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.320 You can google afterlife on online and you know, there's 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:20.760 so much information about it. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.680 You can learn so much that sounds pretty gnarly. But 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.560 then for anyone that's seeing your Aladdin film, as you mentioned, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.280 this kind of all fits together. Yeah, because so to 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:33.920 fill people in if they're not aware of this, your 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:39.560 last album was an Aladdin, a soundtrack to a remake 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.199 of a film of Aladdin. The Aladdin story. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:43.840 It was it was it was like my interpretation of 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.040 the Aladdin. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.200 Myth But yeah, but it wasn't only that it was 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:52.559 also made in pepe mache right on hand drawn sets. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:53.040 Yeah. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.640 Like, because the thing is people, I think people don't 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.360 really picture it if I describe it. I think people 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.960 think that I'm talking about like I made a stop 0:13:58.960 --> 0:13:59.880 motion version of Aladdin. 0:13:59.920 --> 0:14:02.400 But it's not that. It's like real people. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.960 People are acting in full rooms that we made out 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.040 of cardboard and paper, so they look like they're in 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.280 a cartoon because like I kind of drew, I drew 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.240 all of the lines and it looks like you're in 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:12.360 a drawing of life. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:18.280 Yeah. It is absolutely like such a mammoth task to 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.080 do that. Yeah, I'll put a link under this podcast. Yeah, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:22.360 because you can see the whole thing. You can see 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:23.080 the whole thing on YouTube. 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.080 Just type Adam Green's Aladdin into YouTube and you can 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:25.480 watch it. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.760 And it's and it's like an hour and twenty. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.040 It's a it's a feature film and it stars you know, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.200 Macaulay Culchin is in it, Ali A Shokat from Arrested Development, 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.720 Natasha Leone from you know, God, I don't know, she's 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.440 from a million things. You know people know here from 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:42.200 Orange is Orange is the New Black, sums of Beverly Hills. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.920 She's like an iconic actress. I mean, it has the painter. 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.880 Francesco Clemente is the genie. 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:48.720 He plays the genie. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.000 Yeah, and Jack Dishall, who's like my my moldy. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.200 Peaches, you know, friend. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.040 He plays He plays two parts and he's fucking brilliant. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:57.640 Okay. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.440 I mean people should go and see this, put this 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.000 into that computer and watch this because the amount of 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.200 effort that went into this. I mean, how long did 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.040 it take to make this? 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.680 Of years? 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.840 You know, a lot of these projects has been taking 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.880 me years to do. I mean, including the graphic novel. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.360 I mean, like it's gotten to this point now where 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.080 when I come up with an idea, I think, okay, 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.640 this is going to take me like three years, four years, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:20.840 you know, because that we had to make thirty rooms 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.560 out of out of from scratch, you know, and we 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.040 made five hundred objects that go into the rooms. So 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:32.200 it was kind of like we made car keys, door knobs, whatever, anything, 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.720 you know. Any like we made a ferrari you know 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.000 at paper mache, like we made you know, everything that 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.840 you needed for the movie was made. There's nothing that's 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.920 not artificial, and in a way, it's almost the inverse 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.640 of the Dogma ninety five manifesto. Do you remember that 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.440 it was like large Venturia where they had to I 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.600 think they had all kinds of rules saying that they 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.760 needed to shoot in locations and they couldn't bring any 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.640 props in right, and they couldn't like change anything about it, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.720 and they couldn't use any like artific official uh you know, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.120 noises or something, and so so my, you know whatever. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.000 Aesthetic here is the opposite of that. There's no real 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.160 things allowed in the movie. Everything has to be crafted 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.360 and made. There's you know, if you have a telephone, 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.720 you have to make it out of cardboard. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:15.640 Everything was you know. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.960 Oh was there any was there ever a point we're 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.280 making this when you just thought what am I doing? 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.680 I'm just driving myself insane? Let's forget it. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.080 Well, you know what's funny is the Aladdin the movie. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.080 The character of Aladdin has a genie, and the genie 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:33.600 gives gives a Laddin, you know, unlimited material things. But 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.560 what's funny is if you make Aladdin, you have to 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.400 be the genie, you know what I mean, because you 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:39.040 have to make all. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:39.960 That stuff that's sic. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.240 Yeah, so so in a way. I had to be 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.720 Aladdin and the Genie and had to make it happen. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.280 And your genie's the lamp in your Aladdin. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:48.000 I had help too. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.440 I had like a crew, a lot of volunteers, honestly, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.760 because it started with like a Kickstarter campaign, So I 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.160 had lots of like, honestly, people that contributed to the 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.400 movie that wanted to just like get started. Some of 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.720 them actually that was their first movie and now they're 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.320 in like the film industry and stuff. Even though I'm 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.960 not in the film industry. I never made it. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:06.760 Would you like to be in the film industry? 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:07.159 No? 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:11.280 No, But I mean, you know, uh, well, the thing is, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.920 I I have a little bit of a chip on 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.600 my shoulder because I wanted to make the war in 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.800 the Paradise. I wanted to make it as a war movie, right, 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.120 you know, with the album. Yeah, but it wasn't tenable. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.000 You know, it was going to be a way bigger 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:27.440 budget than Aladdin, and Aladdin really lost money, like it 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.680 was like a life fucking machine. 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:30.320 You know. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.280 It was like it was a suck of finances. But 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.919 you know, but it was it was it was worth it, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.440 but I couldn't. No one would ever, like it would 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.560 not make sense for anyone to invest in a movie 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.920 that I make, because it's not the profit motives are 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.320 never there, like you know, I think. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.400 Like, no, you're just make You're making it for the 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:49.840 for making it, right. 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:51.840 I think I want to tell like kind of my 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.879 personal story as like a you know, the myth of 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.840 my what I feel like is happening in my soul 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.800 or something you know, that's like what that's like what 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.520 turns me on. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:17:59.720 It makes me want to make a movie. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.280 But that doesn't necessarily like translate to the reason why 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.120 somebody else would want to have me make a movie, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.400 you know. And I think, you know, in this case, 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.560 like I was in Warren Paradise, I was taking like 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.800 kind of the idea of the idea of war and 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.879 maybe even the subplot of war and peace and kind 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.400 of trying to like you know, massage my own life 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.120 into into that plot and like kind of negotiate and 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.439 all the characters are sort of me I kind of like, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.919 you know, have them say various lines that you know 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.359 I'm writing down. But yeah, so ultimately I think, uh, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.399 it's not I think I think as far as in 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.600 general with artists, I think like, I'm on the really 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:42.639 low end of an artist that thinks about, you know, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.720 how it's going to make money. When I'm thinking of 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.600 an idea, It's it's pretty low. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.240 That's on the list. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:49.800 It's very low on the list, you know. 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.520 I was going to ask you if if you've done 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.840 because you do do these kind of big projects that 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.280 take a lot of time and there's a lot of 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.760 investment in there, and there's just a lot of effort 0:18:58.760 --> 0:18:59.919 goes into it. I was going to ask you if 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:02.760 you've ever started one that you've that has been too 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.360 much and you've just not done it? But is it? 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:04.639 Is it? 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:04.800 This? 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:06.800 Is it the film version of your new album? Is 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:07.520 that what that would be? 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:08.119 Well? 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.160 No, no, because I think that for that, I think 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.240 that when I decided to make it as a graphic novel, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.800 I mean, like I could not stress enough how that 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.760 making it into a graphic novel like is in no 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.040 way taking the easy way out. It's so difficult to 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:23.960 make one hundred and fifty page graphic novel like. I 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.480 worked with Toby Goodshank and Tom Bain, and we like 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:28.520 we had to draw it for six months. We like 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.480 scheduled three nights a week and drew it and it 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.240 took forever. I mean, it was not like the easy 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.440 way out, and actually it was kind of a cool 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:37.840 chance to do something that I hadn't done before. Yeah, 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.920 but now I'm in the middle of a poem I've 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.199 been writing for the last year about medieval times, and 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.760 that's been my next project. And sometimes I do wake 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.600 up and I think, what have I gotten myself into 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:48.879 with this? 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.040 How long is this poem? 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:54.120 Right now? It's like about fifty pages? 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.960 All right, okay, but it's. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.440 I'm trying to let it little it down. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.119 This is the this is the this is the one 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.200 that's testing you the most. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.359 Uh, you know, it's just a challenge you. 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.920 I want to write a poem that people will people 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.440 will be able to to really feel, you know what 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.600 I mean. And so that's not the case with most poems, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.320 Like I think people that there'n't really having an audience 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.440 of you know, at least people I know they don't 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.760 really read like long poems. So I wanted to make 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.400 something that, like I thought people would actually be able 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.119 to engage with. So it takes a while because I'm 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:27.760 really it's really important to me, like I want every 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.360 line to be just good enough that people like will 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:35.440 not give up on this poem. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.520 Would you have any desire to be in someone else's film? 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.399 No, And that's what people assume that I like acting. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.720 The truth is for the Aladdin movie, I was Aladdin. 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:46.680 But that was only because I was the most famous 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.200 person I could get to play Aladdin, right, Like, no. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.719 One, no one was interested in doing it. No one 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:52.679 wanted to don't want to be Aladdin. 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:54.520 No, they don't want No. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.879 One wanted to have the whole movie ride on them, right, Okay, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.479 you know, but it was ridiculous because if you think 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.240 about it, it's like, I'm not an actor and I've 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:02.080 never been in a movie. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:04.000 And then did you enjoy it? 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:04.959 Did you enjoy the acting? 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.399 There were moments, but no, I think I found to 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:10.080 be really stressful. It's like, you know, and I mean 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.440 I remember the first day of shooting, like weyeled action 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.440 and you know, in walked in, uh you know, Ali 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.280 a shockhad and Natasha Leone, who are both like you know, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.280 they're on tons of there are tons of movies and 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.560 shows and they were doing a perfect performance first time 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.520 of the scene, and I remember thinking, oh, I have 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.040 a line, what's my line, you know, and and it 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.040 was like such a eye opening experience that like how 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.760 seriously I had to take this, And then from from 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.919 then on, like I actually think this is one of 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.680 the times in my life I really didn't drink. I 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.479 actually sobered up to do this because I just I 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.560 just I couldn't have any drinks. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.000 I needed to focus. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.480 It'd be present in the times. 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:51.000 Yeah, it was. It was crazy. 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.159 And then you know, and I had to pretend that 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.080 I was doing stuff that I wasn't doing, which is hard. 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:00.439 I thought you did a good job, thanks, because you also, you. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.080 Know, I kind of got to Seinfeld myself through it 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:03.520 because it's like, you know, it's like kind of like 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:05.320 my world. So I can kind of like you know, 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.760 be like the Garfield character that doesn't really have to 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:09.960 like overact it, yeah, you know, and the other people 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.720 have to really be convincing. But I'm just sort of 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:13.679 like I think people think, oh, it's like it's happening 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.960 in his Like it's like in Seinfeld, it's like happening 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:16.480 in his world. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.440 Yeah. Sure, you know, I don't feel you need to 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:19.719 say this if you can't tell me, But was there 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.840 anyone that you wanted to get to be Aladdin. That 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.840 said no, which is why Michael Sarah. 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:27.280 Okay, I thought he would be great. 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:28.000 He would have been good. 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:30.359 Yeah, I don't think he anything. You wanted to do it. 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:31.160 They didn't want to do it. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:33.320 I asked Justin Long. 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:35.560 I don't know Justin Justin Long. 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.600 Justin Long. He's Dodgeball. 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.000 Oh guy, he's got dark hair. 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.080 Yeah, he's in He's in a jeepers creepers. 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:46.720 I know the guy. 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.160 Yeah, I think the guy, like I asked some people, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.800 you know, I I you know. 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.280 Actually dev Hines was supposed to be the Sultan, Okay. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:57.800 You know, and then he ended up not being able 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:58.760 to make it at the last minute. 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:00.879 Okay, because he wasn't because you did a film before 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:01.400 this as well. 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:03.600 Yeah, the dev was in which death wasn't. 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.560 Yeah, which is called wrong ferrari the. 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.359 Wrong ferrari, which rong ferrariy is sort of the prototype 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.480 for a Laddin. It's more it's it's an iPhone film, so. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.960 That was shot all on an iPhone. Yes, that's also 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.239 a feature length film. Yes, it's long, and it's got 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.159 that's that's got Macaulay Culkins in that as well, and 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:21.639 it's got some of the same characters. 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:24.760 It has some of the same characters Farmer Dave, who's 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.159 sort of CEO of Nintendo Records, which is like a 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.160 record label that wants to sign me, and I play 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.000 sort of myself on that. I'm like, I play like 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.360 a sort of character called Greenster who's like doesn't want 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:39.520 to go on any more tours. 0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:40.199 And uh, yeah, the wrong Ferrari is. 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.840 You know, it's kind of a funny thing because because 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.080 you know, shooting a movie on an iPhone, which you know, 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.720 I hadn't really like it was this was this is 0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.600 the first iPhone that had a camera, so there wasn't 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.320 really like a precedent for shooting a movie on a phone. 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.800 By the way, all of my movies I do is overdubs, 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.680 which is also like kind of funny because I really 0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.439 like I got into make movies from these Jodorowski and 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:05.120 Fellini movies which are always overdubbed, so I never considered 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.879 like using the sound. So I always have people like 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:09.399 kind of read the lines that I want them to 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:11.720 read after the fact. 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.480 Does not cost even more money because. 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:16.920 It's even more complicated. They have to come back later. Yeah, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.200 but I get to change their line, you know, even 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.360 at the end. And also I just I like this surrealness, 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.919 Like I like, I honestly like how when you have 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.960 an overdub line, even if they're saying the same thing, 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.920 there's something slightly like off about it, and it makes 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:33.520 you feel like you're in Like I just wanted the 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.200 movie to feel like it was a foreign film. 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:42.880 Like, well, I think you did it. Thank you, vision accomplished. 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.160 So do you think that's it for films for you? 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:45.240 No? 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.480 Well, you know, okay for maybe for acting in them. 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:50.920 For acting probably yeah, but you know, like a father. 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:55.000 John Misty had kind of repriised that role because he 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:59.240 asked me to do his music video for Total Entertainment Forever, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.720 and I got my friends. We have an art collective 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.560 called four GB, which is Toby good Shang, Tom Baine, 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.840 and Macaulay Cokin. I got them to do it with me, 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:11.600 so we kind of co directed a follow John Misty video, right, 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.439 And it's in that style. So honestly, if somebody has 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.680 a budget, it's like, great, we just do. I would 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.600 totally direct movies like anytime, but yeah, like I don't 0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:21.760 want to fund them myself. 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:25.399 Because it's too expensive. Yeah, yeah, you know, writing the 0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.040 poem is actually pretty cheap. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.280 Yeah, yeah, you found that, you found the way to go. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:31.000 I love it. 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.320 I could write poems if honestly, if my job was 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.520 just writing my notebook all day, I'd be so happy. 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:37.720 Like if people, like, if anyone wants to just stop 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.879 all this stuff and just have me do the notebook stuff, 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.159 I'm down, Like, I'll just give you lines that I like. 0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:43.040 You know, I don't care. 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.760 Have you what about writing for others? Have you got 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:46.560 any interest in that? 0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:48.399 Maybe? 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.480 As I ever been on the table, well. 0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:54.080 I think, you know, like I've done duets, you know, 0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.680 like with with the Binky Shapiro and in The Moldy 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.000 Peaches where I write with somebody else, but it's like, 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.119 you know, I get to sort of it's sort of 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.840 like both of our thing. So I like that, you know, 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.480 because I like it especially if I feel like the person, 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:11.680 like I really understand the person, so it's like really specific, 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:13.560 like with Kimia and with Pinkie like that, I just 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.960 really like understood that I could do duets with them, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.320 and like you know what I mean, like it was 0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:22.800 natural if somebody just came to me randomly and said 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.320 they wanted to do a duet. I don't think that 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:28.160 I would do it right, just like really it's it's 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:31.040 actually awful. Like I think I'm just like in this 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.720 one sense, like I'm very uncompromising in this. Like I 0:26:33.800 --> 0:26:36.720 just it's because I have a private garden, which is 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.480 like my own muse is like a private little garden, 0:26:39.480 --> 0:26:41.119 and it's really I feel like it's really nice and 0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.000 I get I go for a walk and it opens 0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.560 up and like I just like I just enjoy it 0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:47.159 and it's fun in there and it's colorful, and I 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.720 can like make up anything I want, and like I 0:26:49.720 --> 0:26:51.639 don't let anyone get in there to like tell me 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:52.760 what to do about it, you know what I mean. 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.760 I just it's like you can't give me an idea, 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.320 like I don't want it, Like you know what I mean, 0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.240 I don't. It's not that like I don't. If I 0:26:58.280 --> 0:26:59.960 have something and you can tell me, like a criticis 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.000 some of it, I think I can accept that and 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.320 incorporate that into Like you know, if you say, oh, 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.080 I saw that scene in that movie and it's boring, 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:09.160 it was too long, I'd be like, Okay, let's work 0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:11.119 on that. But as far as like somebody coming to 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.720 me and saying, you know, you should really make a 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.639 version of your of Pinocchio. 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.600 You know, not interesting, No, not interesting, No way, it 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:20.720 has to come from inside. 0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:23.600 Okay, what about when like in the Peaches, then when 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:27.040 when Kimia would bring a track, would it just be 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:28.760 that you'd always write on tracks together then? 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.040 So, yeah, we'd always write together, so it would be. 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.120 As much yours as it was hers at that point. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:35.320 Well, yeah, a lot of the Genesis and multipitacha stuff 0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:37.080 was like, you know, either in my parents' basement and 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:38.520 it was like a track that I was working on 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.359 that I would bring him in on, or we would 0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.480 be walking down the street and start singing stuff to 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.480 each other, or we would have like an inside joke 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.040 that would get out of hand and it would turn 0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.399 into a song, or like a nickname for somebody that 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.480 would become a song. Yeah, I mean it was always 0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:52.680 like that kind of thing. 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.199 You know. 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:55.920 It still kind of blows my mind knowing that you 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:59.960 were like thirteen when you started fourteen, when when kim fourteen, 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.359 you were fourteen. It blows my way that you were 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:04.280 that young, but also that she was like nine years 0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:04.960 older than you. 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.480 Yes, which but she looked like a kid. It was weird. 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.959 Yeah, I mean it also went like once your adults, 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.360 I cast you know, that's not a huge, huge difference, 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.720 but when you're twenty three and you're hanging out with 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.280 a fourteen year like, that's just nothing. 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.280 My parents were honestly like, oh, you have an older friend, 0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.119 you know, Like I don't know, I don't think they 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:25.840 knew what was going on, you know, because it was 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.679 like almost like she was my babysitter. I mean, you know, 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.960 she was sort of I would go, you know, we 0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:34.480 would we would go, you know, like see concerts like 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.639 the Makeup and Dubble Narcotic sound System, we saw Unwound, 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.400 just different shows and you know, Kimmy, you with sort 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.120 of like chaperone me right, But then she'd get like 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.920 wrecked and she was you know, I'd have to like 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:52.840 you'd just get her home. But it was funny, but it. 0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.400 Was kind of it felt. It also felt with the 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.160 Maldi pitches, like from the outside at least that you 0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:02.400 kind of organically came to note right, like you made 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:04.600 it organically, Like it didn't feel like you would chase. 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:07.640 Was there a point where you were chasing a deal 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:09.200 or becoming famous or. 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:14.680 Well, you know, I think that we we really, for 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.680 some reason felt like the home recorded record we made 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.440 was like, you know, just perfect or something. You know, 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.480 we thought it was like we didn't want to change it, 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:27.640 and we sometimes people would hook us up with like 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:31.160 record label people and they would you know, assume that 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.160 it was a demo and they would start talking about 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:34.719 what we were going to do for the for the record, 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.400 and they didn't understand that we felt that this was 0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.280 the record. And so it was only really Rough Trade 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.920 that you know, that first said, oh, this is perfect, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:44.600 you know, put this out like they wanted to put 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:47.200 it out. But that was in the wake of us 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:50.880 opening up for The Strokes, right when the sign the 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.480 Strokes signed, and then Rough Trade basically said we want 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.240 more New York City bands, and they were like, who's 0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:01.560 cool and the Matt Hickey who sent the Strokes said 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:02.920 Moldy Peaches. 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.600 So that that was it. 0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:06.280 You know, we were like this, I think we're the 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:07.840 second band that they signed from New York. 0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.040 Sure, so it just kind of came to you really, 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:11.200 you didn't have to chase it down. 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:12.480 We didn't end up chasing it. 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:15.600 I mean, it's actually kind of a funny story how 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.239 everything started for me is like I I used to 0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.000 and this is in a sense kind of proactive on 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:26.240 my part, but MTV used to They used to like 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.800 broadcast live from uh Times Square, right, and it was 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:30.680 kind of exciting, like. 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.160 If yeah, we're a window behind them. 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:33.760 Yeah, if you call it, we're calling the summer of 0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:36.400 ninety eight something like that. MTV used to have them. 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.320 They had there's like a very live element and you know, 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.920 people were coming up from the street and people were 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.960 they were like they were in the street doing TV. 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:47.560 And uh. 0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:49.320 Actually, I think that there's a clip maybe of like 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.240 Pete Doherty on MTV or something. I saw something like 0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.000 somewhere he's on some show like that, like he's standing 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:55.240 on like. 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:59.240 There is He's he's waiting for an Oasis records be released. 0:30:59.240 --> 0:30:59.400 I think. 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:01.320 Okay, yeah exactly. Yeah. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.560 So that kind of thing was happening in New York 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:06.120 all the time with MTV, and so I used to 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.200 get dressed up in like whatever what I thought was 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.920 my best coolest clothes, and I would just go to 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.000 the MTV building and stand outside, right, and sometimes they 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.480 would just say come upstairs, be on a show. 0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.280 So they what would you do nothing? 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.280 I just like, well, you know, I'm being held okay, 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:25.240 like I would be in the audience of Total Request live. 0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.040 And then one time they said, do I want to 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:29.680 be on a karaoke show where I sing karaoke? So 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:34.480 I was like, sure, how old were you at this point? 0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:39.720 Eighteen seventeen something like that. So they have me come 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:45.640 up and I sang this karaoke song and then during 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.160 the instead of doing the song, I ended up doing 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:50.719 a Moldy Peaches song called these Burgers Are Crazy Right, 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:51.880 and the people really. 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.560 Is on live TV, this is going out live. 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.160 You know. I don't know that it was live, but 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:57.200 it was. It was. 0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:01.600 It was taped and they broadcasted. But anyways, it was 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.920 funny because the people were really into it. They loved it, 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:08.320 and and it was like a little bit of like 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:09.640 a it was kind of like a little bit of 0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.840 breaking with reality from the show because like it was, 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:14.640 it was sort of like just not according to the 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.360 script of the show, and I think it was surprising. 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.800 And then the somehow I got the people to chant 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:20.960 it with me, and it seemed like the show went 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.080 off the rails. And so anyways, when this show aired 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.960 for that week. When I walked around New York City, 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.800 everyone would be like, oh, you're that guy that did 0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:30.400 that crazy thing on MTV. So like, you know, all 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:31.960 of a sudden, like I was like, you know, this 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:33.920 was like my week where you know, everyone was like, oh, 0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:36.120 you know, I did this thing. And I went into 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:40.000 the store Other Music, which is you know, which was 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.280 a famous music shop at the time that's now closed 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.720 of course, and they said, oh, my god, this is 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.440 the guy from MTV that did that. For some reason, 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.280 the people at the store working were like excited that 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:52.760 I was in the store and I had my album, 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:54.760 and then they said, oh, we'll take your album. 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.720 You know. Then they like. 0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.160 Put a plack up and reviewed it and like gave 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.520 a whole they gave a whole space, and people used 0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.960 to go to Other Music and just buy CDs from 0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:06.640 their recommendation. So I was able to sell like maybe 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.480 thirty or forty copies of my CD from just from 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.600 being on the shelf at Other Music with a with 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:14.360 like a little card. And one of those people that 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:17.040 bought it was like a CMJ journalist that put it 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:21.840 as the album of the week. And then it resulted 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.320 in like the booker of the Mercury Lounge eventually like 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.640 inviting me to have a show. So like, all this 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.400 stuff kind of happened because I did this goofy thing 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:33.880 on MTV, right, you know what I mean? 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.800 And like, and that's kind I'm guessing that's why that 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:37.280 was so and that. 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.120 That is proactive in a way, I think, yeah, because 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.640 that's kind of taking faid into your owneah, hustling a 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:43.680 little bit, taking trying to get you know. You know, 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.640 that's why I think kids these days you don't want 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:49.520 to do like you know, just like whatever viral YouTube 0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:51.520 videos or in Instagram, it's the same kind of thing, 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.240 you know. Just they're just hoping to have some kind 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:58.040 of a weird you know thing where people pay attention 0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.800 to it for a second and then they can transition 0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.480 that to actually having like an art career or something. 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:02.800 Yeah. 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.520 Yeah, the I mean obviously in that instance, like that 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:10.880 obviously works out brilliantly. Yeah, from you standing outside wearing 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.759 some cool clothes, right, obviously you couldn't have imagined and 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:15.080 that's where that was going to lead to. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.120 No way, no, no, did you. 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.480 Just think so when you went down there? Just did 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:20.960 you just think I'm just gonna go down there and 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:22.400 see what I can make happen. 0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.600 I just thought. I don't remember what I was thinking. 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.960 I remember thinking, yeah, like you know, I would like, 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:32.160 you know, to have people hear about my music or 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.320 my band or you know whatever. 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:35.560 I would like, you know. 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:38.680 I felt like I have something I want to give 0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:40.960 for myself artistically, and I want to sing, I want 0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:42.799 to say, I guess and like, you know, this is 0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:44.640 maybe like a place I can start to say it 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:46.960 because it's MTV, you know what I mean, So they 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.160 should be aware of me or something, do you know 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:49.600 what I mean? 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:50.960 Like I don't know, yeah, but. 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.640 Like you know, it just like I always had a 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.640 notebook in my pocket and was writing, and I just 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:57.920 like really just believed in what I was writing down 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.319 in my notebook, right, you know. 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.000 Yeah, Because it also kind of felt felt like like 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.640 equally just as it felt like the multi peachers kind 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:10.719 of effortlessly kind of climbed up and became this thing. Also, 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.680 it feels like just as they were there, they kind 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:16.080 of went again in a similarly natural way. Is that 0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:16.400 how it? 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.560 Well, you know, but empty, the empty I'm sorry, MOULTI 0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.520 peachers got we we got built up a lot by 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.080 the sort of enemy culture and then kind of torn 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:27.920 down in the next breath, you know, like it was 0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:32.040 my first experience with that sort of like what people 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.360 say about the press and everything. I think we released 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:38.000 the County Fairs Rainbow single after we played Redding Festival, 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.120 which was at that time kind of the Mouldi Peachers highlight, 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.480 and then they just panned it. They gave it like 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.919 a you know, a terrible review, and people acted like, yeah, 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.360 multi peachers, you know whatever. So it was, it was 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.480 it was a very really quick like love you hate 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.200 you kind of thing that was kind of weird. And 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.360 then and then it was a not until really Juno 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.319 came out that Moulti Peachers got such a you know, 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.440 kind of reappraisal. But then but meanwhile I was in 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.600 I had gone over a lot to you know, to 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:09.640 Germany and France, where like my solo albums were like 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.759 just really unexpectedly doing really well. 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:15.000 Yeah, particularly in Germany. 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:16.840 Right, Yeah, I was. I was in the charts. I 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:18.000 was in the top ten. 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.200 It what do you think it was about your stuff 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:21.680 that the Germans got so much? 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.640 Well, you know the thing is that people don't a 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.600 lot of people don't understand unless you were in Germany 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.480 at the time. But you know, but I became a 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.640 German pop star, and so I had this period of 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.600 my life where maybe about four months or so, where 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.040 I couldn't even walk down the street in Germany, you know, 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:35.680 like it was. 0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:36.200 It was wild. 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.560 I was on the cover of like Rolling Stone, I was. 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:39.880 I think it was number I was number two in 0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.000 the charts, like I was. I was, like on the 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:42.880 cover of the newspaper. 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.200 What do you but what do you think it was about? Like, 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.279 I don't know, your stuff that kind of resonated there 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:50.439 more than anywhere else. 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:53.359 I have no idea, you know what I mean? 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.839 Like actually I assumed that they thought that it was 0:36:56.880 --> 0:36:58.480 of good quality. I don't you know what I mean. 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.759 It was funny, but you know it, but I don't know. 0:37:02.160 --> 0:37:03.799 But yeah, I don't think that that was it. I 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:05.759 think that that was part of it. I think that 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.840 I think they thought that somehow they needed somebody like me. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.400 I think I was doing at the time kind of 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.279 music that was almost like a little bit influenced by 0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.839 cabaret music, like you know, Jacques Barrell and Kurt Viile 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.120 and you know, kind of like sort of old German music. 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:23.840 I don't know, I was kind of I made this 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.440 sort of German cabaret record. 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:26.879 I think they really liked it. 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.080 I remember that time well, I remember you being on 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:30.520 the cover of the Road and Stein. 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.440 There and it was funny, you know, it was and 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:35.319 it and it didn't quite last. I mean I thought 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.759 it would last longer. I mean it continues to kind 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.319 of last. But now when I go back, you know, 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:43.960 for example, I'm doing a tour right now, right, I'm 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.000 going to play Earth and Hackney tomorrow and I won't 0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:49.200 play I don't think it's a big of a venue 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:55.000 in Berlin, right, you know. It's it's it's things change 0:37:55.320 --> 0:38:00.759 or saying in Paris. You know, it seems like in 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:04.600 the UK and Paris might and in France, but really Paris, 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:05.880 because I don't think they care about me in the 0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.080 rest of France. But my career has like kind of 0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:11.680 just slowly, you know, it's been twenty years and it's 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:15.360 like slowly kind of grown with like new people getting 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:19.760 into it. And then Germany it was like I was nobody. 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:21.719 I was a pop star, you know, then like a 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:25.839 crashed you know, But I also didn't really play the game. 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.520 Like I mean, I remember people saying, you know, don't 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.279 you want to collaborate with so and so and do 0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:31.960 like a duet or don't you want to you know, 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.439 they were like, you know, they were being sensible about 0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:36.960 how you maintain being a German pop star, and I 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.000 was like not interested in it. And I was always 0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:42.240 just kind of really like, you know, just like assuming 0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:45.480 that everyone was going to come along for every you know, 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.319 kind of like thing that I was thinking about. But 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:51.000 I do feel a little bit misunderstood in that sense. 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:55.080 I think that people really really don't understand a lot 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:56.960 what I'm doing, Like I mean, even though it actually 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.439 is something that I'm thinking about and does make sense 0:38:59.480 --> 0:38:59.680 to me. 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:02.200 Do you in what sense? Do you think they think 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:06.040 that it's that It's like if you take Aladdin for. 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.080 Example, because they think it's they think it's random. Yeah, 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:10.960 they think it's they think it's random, which is not. 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.359 They think it's they think it's not throw out. 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:17.320 Yeah, they think it's childish, which is not. It's actually 0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:23.040 just average. And then I think that they think I 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.280 have no idea what people think. I you know, I 0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:28.360 I think that if people really understood that it's like 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:30.040 a process that takes like three or four years to 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.000 do one of these things, and it's like worked one 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.040 every day. I think they would. I think that that's 0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.279 not for people right now. I don't think that people 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.480 are into that stuff. I think that's not where we're 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:43.120 at right you know. Like like I feel like I 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:45.120 kind of approach these things with like pretty lofty goals, 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.400 and I really assume that people are going to go 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.239 along with me for like an intellectual ride that they're 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.360 not going to do sure, you know, or whatever some 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.239 people do. But I'm a little bit I am a 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:56.640 little bit disappointed with people in a way because, like 0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:58.680 I you know, because I feel like I'm not treating 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.000 people like they're dumb. I'm treating them like smart that 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.680 they can like handle me talking to them this way. 0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.960 So how do you think that that people will genuinely 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.200 react to your poem when it is done? 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.360 I have low expectations, but I mean, but I always 0:40:13.360 --> 0:40:14.879 hope in a way, like I hope for the best. 0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.440 I mean, I hope that people will read it like 0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:22.799 you know, like you know, like some you know, like 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.840 like a real labor of like you know, loving a 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:26.879 pursuit of the truth or something, you know. 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.360 M if you've got anything else in the in the 0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.080 works other than the poem is the main thing right now, 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:34.799 as well as the touring this record. 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.239 And yeah, like the poem is really it, I mean, 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:38.680 which is so funny. If you ever want to start 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:40.439 stop a conversation and just tell them what you're working 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.120 on a poem, then no one really wants to engage. 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:45.640 Is that your thing? At the moment that dinner parties 0:40:45.680 --> 0:40:46.120 you say. 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:47.640 Yeah, yeah, I'm working on a poem. 0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:49.960 It's like, oh cool, I'm never going to read that. 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.799 That's what they think, you know, I don't know. I mean, 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:54.759 I didn't want to make it, you know, It's just like. 0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.319 I don't know. You know. It's almost like sometimes you 0:40:59.320 --> 0:40:59.839 feel like when. 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:01.319 You're you know, when you when you really you're really 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.000 really working really hard on like you know, on art projects, 0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:05.640 and you know you're really trying to make them good, 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.879 it almost feels like those projects have fangs and people 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.640 are like really scared of like a really good. 0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:13.000 Art project, right, you need to try less? 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:13.920 Yeah, yeah exactly. 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:15.040 They're like, me, know, maybe if you just had like 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:16.919 less good lines and like gave it me a little 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.399 less than like I could, like, you know, think about 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:21.320 those few lines and you know what I mean, it's. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.000 Like whatever, yeah, don't give me too much. Yeah, don't 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:24.520 give me too much. 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:27.080 We're in a bite sized culture, I guess the Twitter 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:28.359 culture where everything's small. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:29.160 But I mean essensively. 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.680 You know, people were at the Globe Theater, you know, 0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.360 you know and watch like Midsummer Night's Stream or something. 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.320 It wasn't like a highbrow activity. 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:35.840 You know. 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.040 Those aren't actually high brow plays. They're just written in 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:41.200 kind of like sort of like Middle English, e not 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.440 really Middle English, but you know, some kind of in 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:48.960 between language. Yeah, yeah, Elizabethan English. And you know those 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.360 are those are for normal people. And you know what 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:52.799 i mean, like and and like I mean, I mean 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.480 I'm not saying that I'm getting there, but that's what 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.480 kind of I aspire to make things like Midsummer Summer 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:57.360 Night's Stream for people. 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:58.920 You know, That's what I'm trying to do, you know. 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:01.040 And I mean you could be the judge of whether 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:02.919 or not to get there, but I mean that's actually 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:04.759 the idiom that I'm trying to work in, you know 0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:06.719 what I mean. And I feel like that's uncomfortable for 0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:08.920 people because people don't like want somebody to try to 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:10.279 write a Midsummer and I stream for them. 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.280 They want somebody to like write something worse 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:21.359 Anyway, good night,