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Speaker 1: this isn't Nancy. The fact that she felt compelled to

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Speaker 1: and she's afraid of it. Is not what you told

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Speaker 1: Under the law, it doesn't matter if you move someone

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Speaker 1: that's a kidnapping. If they drive her one inch in

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Speaker 1: You've changed your mind just like that week. That's just

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Speaker 1: that I am. You know what's crazy, And you've got

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Speaker 1: They're treated as victims. They shouldn't. They shouldn't be. Um, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about is a so called Sherry Peppini

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Speaker 1: There's Peppini, Rojan Camp, Snow Smart, and the then nice

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Speaker 1: This is what I know before I discredit a victim,

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Speaker 1: It ain't over yet with this van nice victim, which

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us today on Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend