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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A bizarre video leads to

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Speaker 1: a surprising turn of events. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I'm recording this because I want my daughter to know.

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Speaker 1: But I love you, Kensee Pascal. I'm so sorry that

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Speaker 1: I've done this. I want you to know that you

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Speaker 1: mean everything to me and William I love you too.

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Speaker 1: I love you so much. I love you like your mom.

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Speaker 1: I didn't choose this. Your mom chose this. She's been

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Speaker 1: cheating on me for a long time. I have audio

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Speaker 1: of her talking to other guys. I didn't do nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong to her. When we first got together. I told her,

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Speaker 1: you're too young for me. There's an eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: difference in her age, and I knew she was kind

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Speaker 1: for a fall. I told her not to mess with me,

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Speaker 1: Oh well, right off the bat, I'm concerned because he's

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Speaker 1: saying it's all her fault. So where is she and

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Speaker 1: what is the meaning of this video? Why do grown

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Speaker 1: adults feel they have to share all their sex problems,

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Speaker 1: their adultery, their issues with their children. Is that necessary? Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to more of this guy unloading. I

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Speaker 1: said hey, baby, and he goes hey, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that's not my voice. Why is she calling somebody else baby?

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Speaker 1: Then she started talking about a dream and everything, and

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Speaker 1: put everything into this relationship. I have done nothing to

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Speaker 1: I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like, why me, My

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Speaker 1: hair's a mask and I look horrible. Oh sorry, take

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Speaker 1: these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: Please do something good with your life. Okay? Number one

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Speaker 1: mean thanks? Thou dost protest too much. I can't claim

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Speaker 1: that that was Shakespeare. If you haven't done anything wrong,

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Speaker 1: then why are you saying I haven't done anything wrong?

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Speaker 1: Right there? I think you've done something wrong. Let me

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Speaker 1: introduce an all star panel to break it down and

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Speaker 1: put it back together again. I bet they've got a mouthful.

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley

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Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com. Karen start renowned New York psychologist joining

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Speaker 1: us from Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: dot com. That's Karen with a c. Former police chief

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Speaker 1: John's Creek twenty five years on the fours now PI

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Speaker 1: and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot com.

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Speaker 1: Former chief medical examiner for the entire state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I put him on the stand many many times, and

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Speaker 1: only now do I cross examine him for a medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, but first to lead a news anchor

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Speaker 1: for Orlando Morning News w DBO Ray Kiputo, let me

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Speaker 1: ask you a few very narrow questions, Ray, who is

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Speaker 1: this person speaking. His name is Trent Pascal Nancy's He's

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Speaker 1: a forty eight year old. He lives in Lamark, Texas,

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Speaker 1: which is a suburb of Houston, you know, really close

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Speaker 1: was married, he had a couple of young kids, and

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Speaker 1: I believe he's a YouTube creator. Yeah, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: YouTube creator. Are you saying he created YouTube like Al

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Speaker 1: Gore created the Internet? No, Nancy, it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: term to people that create YouTube contact. You mean a

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Speaker 1: YouTube er. It's that the same thing, because my son's

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Speaker 1: always running in and going mom, mom, So and so

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Speaker 1: makes forty eight million dollars a year as a YouTube er.

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Speaker 1: Am I okay, Well they did not teach me that

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Speaker 1: at law skills though, Sadie, you're gonna have to live

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Speaker 1: a YouTuber. So that was my next question. You read

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Speaker 1: my mind, Ray Kaputo w DBO. So he's posting these videos,

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Speaker 1: they're not just audios on YouTube? Is that where we're

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Speaker 1: finding them on YouTube? Yes, ma'am right, on YouTube where

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Speaker 1: anybody can access them, not only kids, but anybody around

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Speaker 1: the world can see this. Oh okay, So you're hearing

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Speaker 1: this guy, Trent Pascal father husband ranting. It's not really ranting,

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Speaker 1: would you say ranting? He's more like and I keep

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Speaker 1: notice he's saying why me, why me? And another thing

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Speaker 1: guy is definitely a psychopath. To listen to him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, or you think they're a psychopath. You

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Speaker 1: need to tell me what your definition of psychopath is,

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Speaker 1: Karen start, because very often you and I have very

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Speaker 1: in the mind of Karen Stark, And granted you're the shrink,

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Speaker 1: not me, go ahead. So he's somebody who doesn't really

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Speaker 1: I mean, in order to be able to kill somebody, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: than you're even talking about hitting a woman, right. But

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Speaker 1: in the middle of him talking about I'm really sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't look. Then he's crying, but then he sounds well,

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Speaker 1: I can hear you. You said he talks about how

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Speaker 1: regard for human life. Now, I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: regard for human life. But I hear you the litmus test.

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Speaker 1: Litmus test is I didn't ever hit her, so that

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Speaker 1: a good marriage doesn't make And I got another question

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Speaker 1: for you, Chief Buyers with me Chris Buyer's former police

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Speaker 1: chief John's Creek Now Chris Buyer's investigation said polygraph dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's a mouthful, Chris. So we're gonna have to kind

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Speaker 1: of work on your website because I just can't say

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Speaker 1: Listen to how he starts his whole thing off, Chief Buyers.

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Speaker 1: I got an audio where she was calling a guy

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Speaker 1: everything I can. I haven't done anything wrong. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: why me? My hears a mask and I look horrible.

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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, take these off. I love you, Mackenzie. I

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Speaker 1: love you so much. Please do something good with your life.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about

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Speaker 1: some very bizarre YouTube postings by this guy last named Pascal,

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Speaker 1: and he's talking about boo hoo. Did you hear him

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Speaker 1: fake crying? He's going his voice kind of cracks, and

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Speaker 1: then suddenly he gets over that and he says, gee,

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Speaker 1: I really look bad. But before that he's talking about

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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor Court TV at Ashley

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Speaker 1: Wilcot dot com with two ts, Ashley, I really respect

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Speaker 1: your CV and all your qualifications, but you're also a

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Speaker 1: wife and mother of three, so I think you're going

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Speaker 1: to understand what I'm about to say. So far, my

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Speaker 1: sure there are a lot more words that I'm not

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Speaker 1: You don't call your wife a B T H right too?

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Speaker 1: You're facing you don't hit her? Somehow, I feel like

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Speaker 1: feel that way, there are lots of other options. Let

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Speaker 1: me think about, Nancy. What's a good option if you're

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Speaker 1: going to do that, I don't know. Counseling for one thing,

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Speaker 1: counseling whatever. And whatever he's saying is that it's all

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Speaker 1: So what does that mean? I got an audio? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, it could be listening to her voicemails.

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Speaker 1: But it definitely when I first heard that, it jumps

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Speaker 1: Savannah Pascal, just thirty years old. And you hear this

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Speaker 1: husband posting to YouTube how he and you all along

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Speaker 1: she was younger than him and this is all her fault.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Ray Kaputa, did he post these

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Speaker 1: YouTube videos before or after he shoots her in the shower?

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Speaker 1: Well we don't know that yet, but my suspicion, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: is this video was posted right before all this happened,

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Speaker 1: because at the very end of it, you say, him

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Speaker 1: kind of becomes startled that maybe somebody has come home

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Speaker 1: and appears to be at a house. So my assumption

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Speaker 1: is that he films this video and it's cut short

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Speaker 1: when Savannah and her mom Shirley, get back to the house,

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Speaker 1: and just before he takes Aima, both of them ask

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Speaker 1: you will kite. You know where I'm going with that

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00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: he posted these before he shot his wife. You know

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Speaker 1: what that means? Premeditation? Absolutely? Can you imagine he posted it.

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00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Let's all think about that. He posted it before he

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Speaker 1: shot his wife. So not only was it premeditated, it

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Speaker 1: was so absolute in his mind that he was going

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Speaker 1: to do it that he could actually talk on a

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Speaker 1: video to tell everybody he was going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Out of the beloe. You know, this whole thing spreads

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Speaker 1: like wildfire. Take a listen to our friends. Akhou eleven.

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00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Trent couldn't be located for several hours, but Lamarck Police

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00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Department in Harris County Sheriff Deputies were able to track

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Speaker 1: down his vehicle. They found him parked here at this

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Speaker 1: Walmart and I forty five North and West Road. That

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Speaker 1: suspect was spotted along with another gentleman in a different

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Speaker 1: car that was driven back towards a vehicle that we

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Speaker 1: were initially searching for Deputies. They ordered the vehicle to

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Speaker 1: stop and ask the suspect and its friend to step

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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle. He produced a handgun from underneath

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Speaker 1: his shirt and had it in his hand was a revolver.

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Speaker 1: Deputies and a specifically a patrol sergeant ordered him to

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Speaker 1: drop the weapon. He did not comply with his orders,

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Speaker 1: and he was shot. Trent was transported to Memorial Herman,

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Speaker 1: where investigators say he's in critical condition. Now listen to

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Speaker 1: what she is saying to you, Chief Buyers. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever been in a situation where you order someone to

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Speaker 1: drop their weapon and they don't do it. Yeah? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And you know it's at the end of the same

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Speaker 1: type of situation where it was a female traffic stop,

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Speaker 1: at the end of a pursuit, and luckily and the

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Speaker 1: instances I was in, ultimately they did drop it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to give him a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: You tell him to drop it, them not dropping it

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Speaker 1: is enough to go ahead and fire. I think that's

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Speaker 1: an overt act when they refused to drop their weapon

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Speaker 1: because they can pull it and shoot you and one second, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can bet you're the one that ends up dead

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Speaker 1: if you pause. So the cops in this situation are

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Speaker 1: in a very, very tough position. They think this guy's

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Speaker 1: already shot his wife dead in the shower. They think

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Speaker 1: he's shot at his mother in law. Now he's on

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Speaker 1: the lamb and he's got a gun and he won't

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Speaker 1: drop the weapon. Take a listen to our friends at

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Speaker 1: KPRC to Houston. Played Wednesday, neighbors began sharing this YouTube

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Speaker 1: video of Trent claiming infidelity in the marriage was the

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Speaker 1: source of his torment. For the end of the video,

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Speaker 1: Trent appears to try to hide as someone approaches the home.

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Speaker 1: Riddick believes the video was made just before the shooting.

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Speaker 1: In box at the part when Trent tells two children

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Speaker 1: he loves them and he's sorry. Can't believe he would

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Speaker 1: leave something like that, telling his kids how he loved them.

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Speaker 1: How can you love your kids if you're gonna kill

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Speaker 1: their mama. Neighbors and friends have been steadily arriving at

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Speaker 1: the home to place flowers and gifts for the couple's children.

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Speaker 1: Trent Pascal was eventually caught by a Harris County Sherriff's

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Speaker 1: deputy and shot when he refused to put down a gun.

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Speaker 1: He is expected to survive his injuries. No, I'm very

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Speaker 1: curious at the way in his audio he kept saying,

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Speaker 1: why is this happening to me? Why me? What is that?

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Speaker 1: Karen start is so NARCISSI Well again, I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 1: You're the shrink. But I do know about narcissism. Everything

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Speaker 1: is about him, That's right, Nancy. It's totally narcissistic and

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Speaker 1: self pitying. It's all about I don't look good I

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Speaker 1: had this done to me. I would never have done anything,

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Speaker 1: but look what happened, never taking a responsibility, and of

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00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: course going to such a dangerous, horrific extent because he

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Speaker 1: feels he's been wrong. So yes, narcissistant completely, you know too,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Sperry. The injuries his wife sustained Savannah Pascal,

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Speaker 1: how long do you think it took for her to

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Speaker 1: actually pass away? Well, she had two gunshot wounds of

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Speaker 1: the abdomen, and she at least survived long enough to

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Speaker 1: get to the hospital, So it probably injured organs like

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Speaker 1: liver kidneys, things that would bleed steadily, but not so

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Speaker 1: fast that it would be immediately life threatening, like the

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Speaker 1: A order or very large blood vessels. And she very

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Speaker 1: easily could have been alive for anywhere from thirty to

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Speaker 1: sixty minutes and died during surgery or shortly after surgery.

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Speaker 1: So she was alive and conscious for a long period

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Speaker 1: of time, so she knew what had happened to her,

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Speaker 1: and she was facing the possibility she would die, and

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00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: she did die. Yes, I think she knew exactly what

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Speaker 1: had happened and was aware of being shots and this

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Speaker 1: being life threatening, and she she was. She was aware

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Speaker 1: of what was going on up until the time that

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Speaker 1: she finally would have lost consciousness or have been put

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Speaker 1: under anesthesia for surgery. You know, Karen Stark, I remember

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Speaker 1: that beautiful baby shower you threw from me in New York.

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Speaker 1: Remember that? And then after the twins were born so premature,

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Speaker 1: and we found out my lungs were full of blood clots,

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00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: everything well almost everything went wrong, but a lot went

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Speaker 1: wrong in the emergency birth, Karen, do you remember after that,

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Speaker 1: I would have those dreams that I would be separated

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Speaker 1: from the children. That was the worst thing that I

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Speaker 1: could imagine was passing on because all those ailments connected

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Speaker 1: to childbirth and them and being apart from them and

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Speaker 1: not being there to raise them. Can you imagine this mother,

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: She was so worried after their argument, she raced to

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Speaker 1: the school to check on the children, and then there

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Speaker 1: seems to be about an hour where she contemplates bleeding

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Speaker 1: out and die, and then she does die. She was

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Speaker 1: faced was the worst possibility here in Stark. And I

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Speaker 1: remember everything, every part of what happens to met. I

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Speaker 1: just think of it, and I get so upset being

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Speaker 1: in touch with David trying to find out if you

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Speaker 1: were okay. And of course I remember those dreams because

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Speaker 1: that's the worst thing that could happen to any parents,

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Speaker 1: is to lose their child. It's a constant fair and

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: you hear about it. You hear about people saying, I

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Speaker 1: can't die now. I have to be there for my child.

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Speaker 1: I have to make sure that I raised them. So

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Speaker 1: I can just imagine I think we all could, how

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Speaker 1: horrific this was. Form Guys, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: There's going to Sheriff's office that says them. He suspect

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Speaker 1: is in critical condition at the hospital but is stable.

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Speaker 1: We are told he threatened deputies with a gun when

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Speaker 1: they tried to arrest him. That's when he was the shot.

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00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: Officers had been looking for Trent Pascal all day long,

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Speaker 1: and no officers were hurt in that encounter. It happened

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Speaker 1: around seven forty five this evening in the Walmut parking

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Speaker 1: lot on the North Freeway and West Road. Harris County

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's deputies had been helping Lamark police look for forty

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Speaker 1: eight year old Trent Pascal ever since. Lamark Police identified

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Speaker 1: him as the suspect and the murder of his estranged

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Speaker 1: wife this afternoon. That happened just before one o'clock on

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Speaker 1: Hawk's View Lane. Police there and Lamarck accused him of

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Speaker 1: shooting and killing his estranged wife, Savannah Pascal. He had

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Speaker 1: been on the run ever since. So he lives, she dies,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Chris Buyers, it's amazing to me that

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Speaker 1: he lived. You know, when we see it in a movie,

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Speaker 1: sometimes you go just shoot him in the knee, shot him.

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Speaker 1: It's not that easy to shoot somebody and not kill them,

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Speaker 1: but the cops managed to do it. Yeah, we're we're

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Speaker 1: trying to shoot centermath. That's where you're shooting at. So

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Speaker 1: if you're hitting somebody in the leg or the knee,

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00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: those are just bad shots. That's not where we're trying

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Speaker 1: to shoot. Law enforcement's train to shoot for the biggest

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Speaker 1: part of the body because we're having to think about

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Speaker 1: the backdrop. We're having to think of where that bullet's

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Speaker 1: going to go when it misses. So when you start

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Speaker 1: to talk about shooting somebody, yeah, in an arm, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's it's ridiculous, you know, having had to train

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Speaker 1: every six months at the DA's office at the firing range,

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Speaker 1: it's not as easy as it looks. By the way,

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Speaker 1: was there a red flag? Just before her death, Savannah

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Speaker 1: had posted on Facebook about donations for domestic violence victims

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Speaker 1: and she as murdered by her husband. To you, right,

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Speaker 1: Kiputo w Dbo, where's the case stand right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: right now, Trent is in critical condition in the hospital.

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Speaker 1: And when he gets out, and I honestly, Nancy, I

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Speaker 1: hope he pulls through because I got a feeling he

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Speaker 1: wanted to die suicide by tops, So I hope he

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Speaker 1: pulls through because you're going to face a murder charge

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Speaker 1: and in Texas they have the death penalty. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crimes story Sunny Off, Goodbye Friend,