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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another episode of the Mark Moss Show,

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Speaker 1: where we're always talking about the decentralized revolution. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about global deglobalization. We talk about it through the lens

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Speaker 1: of politics, finance, and technology, and of course it's always

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Speaker 1: technology that changes the world. And we talk about bitcoin,

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Speaker 1: the decentralized technology and how it's changing the world as

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Speaker 1: we know it. You know, I like to bring to

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Speaker 1: you some education to change the way that you think,

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Speaker 1: some late breaking news so you stay on top of it,

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Speaker 1: but always some interesting guests so you can get some

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Speaker 1: different perspectives than just my own. And of course today

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Speaker 1: I have my good friend Nico Moran. He is the

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Speaker 1: host of Simply Bitcoin TV, director of content Strategy with Swan,

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Speaker 1: founder of bitvolt, and he is a bitcoiner and he's

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Speaker 1: a freedom lover as well. Nico, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me today.

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Speaker 2: Happy to be here. Mark. Absolutely love your show and

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Speaker 2: I'm stoked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Thanks. You know, before we started recording, we were

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Speaker 1: about to jump into some conversation. I said, hang on,

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Speaker 1: hang on, hang on, before we do, let me hit record.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was talking just real quickly about this

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Speaker 1: sustainable Delma goal number sixteen, which is digital ID and

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Speaker 1: how that's the pur the UNS document. This is like

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Speaker 1: the lynchpin that they need to get everything else in order.

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Speaker 1: And then I hadn't really even thought about how even

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Speaker 1: like the money gets pooled to kind of sort of

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Speaker 1: help build all of this. And you were about to

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Speaker 1: say something and I kind of cut you off. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember what that was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. So it's very clear what governments are

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Speaker 3: trying to do. I think Lawrence Lepart said it best.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to hold on to the privilege of being

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Speaker 3: able to create money for free that everyone else has

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Speaker 3: to work for.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: They've had that privilege for decades and decades and decades

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Speaker 3: and decades. And this is why bitcoin is so important.

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Speaker 3: I have a saying that I say all the time,

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Speaker 3: bitcoin or slavery. I talked to beauty On, who is

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Speaker 3: the co founder of a stecho. It's this non Kyc.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a way to buy bitcoin, non Kyc. And

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Speaker 3: I told told beauty On, said, hey, do you agree

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Speaker 3: with that statement? He said, no, Nik, So it's not

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Speaker 3: bitcoiner slavery, it's bitcoiner death. And he elaborated on that,

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Speaker 3: what do you mean by bitcoin er death? Well, think

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Speaker 3: about all the endless wars that are is happening, the

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Speaker 3: response to the pandemic, right, all of that is enabled

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Speaker 3: by FIAT. They need FIAT in order to do all

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Speaker 3: these things that they've been getting away with for all

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Speaker 3: these decades. But there's a silver lining to this, and

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Speaker 3: the silver lining to this is we are witnessing or

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Speaker 3: living through the great disintermediation. And I mean when I

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Speaker 3: also the great disintermediation of money that has all been

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Speaker 2: And I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to enable freedom the likes of which humanity has

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Speaker 3: if people start doing their own research, only if people

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Speaker 3: start taking a bit of personal responsibility, taking self custody

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Speaker 3: of their wealth, and of course, you know, seeking their

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Speaker 3: own information sources. You see how the government is reacting

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Speaker 3: So I think they know they're losing control. But that

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Speaker 1: Wow, you gave me your we got we got, we

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Speaker 1: Let's let's break that down a little bit. So I

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Speaker 1: want there's a lot I want to dig into there.

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Speaker 1: Let's just go back to the beginning. You know, you

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Speaker 1: tweet every day bitcoinn or slavery. Beautyon said, it's not slavery,

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Speaker 1: it's death. I think that some things are worse than

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Speaker 1: worse than death. Slavery might be worse than death, Like

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Speaker 1: you know, there's certainly things that are worse. The same

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Speaker 1: so to speak. So in regards to that, you haven't

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Speaker 1: changed your tweet. You still tweet that out right, bitcoinners slavery.

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Speaker 1: So without Why do you say that specifically though.

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Speaker 3: Because it's clear that governments are moving full speed ahead

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Speaker 2: We saw it.

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Speaker 3: We saw it in the response to the Canadian truckers protests.

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Speaker 3: How look, they just cut off people's money for a

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Speaker 3: have certain believe, certain thoughts. And then the other alternative

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Speaker 3: But that's why I mean bitcoin or slavery. Bitcoin or slavery,

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Speaker 3: and when I mean slavery and in central bank digital currencies,

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Speaker 3: and we all know what already happens when a country

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Speaker 3: El Salvador. It's not a coincidence. At a country that

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Speaker 2: The person who was.

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Speaker 3: And it's not a coincidence that he has the highest

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Speaker 3: it has them terrified. Look at the legacy corporate media.

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Speaker 3: they're reacting to Javier Mali right when he's saying he

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Speaker 3: So that's what I mean when I say bitcoinn er slavery.

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Speaker 1: And so and to your point, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: You only have the freedom they give you. Your freedom

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Speaker 1: And I think that's just just super glaring. And then

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of going back to the UN's goals

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Speaker 1: and it certainly is certainly is a world of slavery.

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Speaker 1: And then to your point, down in El Salvador, you

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Speaker 1: of that. But unfortunately the governments and to your point,

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Speaker 1: director of content strategy over at Swan definitely a friend

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Speaker 1: those things out. We're talking about bitcoin or slavery and

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Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mass Show sitting down with Nico Moran,

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Speaker 1: over at Swan and Nico, you know, before the break,

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Speaker 1: we were just kind of talking about some of these

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Speaker 1: have Javier and Meli down in Argentina. You mentioned that

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Speaker 2: I'm originally I'm originally from venzuin Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Venice, I got that. Sorry. But you know, one

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Speaker 1: thing that I think is pretty interesting is that I've

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Speaker 3: on which no one controls, no one can censor, or

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Speaker 3: do we want a money where a bureger, where a

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Speaker 3: bureaucratic elite have that godlike power to censor and to

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Speaker 3: stop something. And this reminds me of this Jeff Booth tweet,

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Speaker 3: and he goes on to say, because broken money ensures

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Speaker 3: the centralization of power by stealing the productivity through inflation

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Speaker 3: that should flow to society in the form of lower prices,

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Speaker 3: those enriched by that theft and subsequent power must control

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Speaker 3: the messaging to keep it right. So it goes back

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Speaker 3: to your point. Yes, it has to do with power,

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Speaker 3: Yes it has to do with censorship.

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Speaker 2: But I think what the.

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Speaker 3: Root, the root problem, the root cause.

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Speaker 2: Of all this is the broken money.

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Speaker 3: I think because there is broken money, I think they'll

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Speaker 3: do everything and anything, including censor. And this was actually

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Speaker 3: something that Naimbuke wrote in his famous article Don't drink

449
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Speaker 3: the Elites kool aid that their most important weapon is

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Speaker 3: their control of truth, and they'll use that weapon in

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Speaker 3: order to maintain it. Now, going back to you know,

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Speaker 3: terrorist organizations using bitcoin, I am, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Have the data in front of me, but I bet

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Speaker 2: my bottom.

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Speaker 3: Dollar that those terrorist organizations are using the dollar way

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Speaker 3: more than bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: Now is you know, is it bad?

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Speaker 3: Of course it's bad that you know, some terrorist organizations

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Speaker 3: are going to use bitcoin. But like we have to

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Speaker 3: talk about what the pros and the cons are.

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Speaker 2: Do we want to.

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Speaker 3: Live in a world where, like I said, a powerful

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Speaker 3: political cabal.

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Speaker 2: Get to use that power.

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Speaker 3: And again, history has shown that they haven't used that

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Speaker 3: power all, you know, for the better every single time.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the time, they've used that power to

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Speaker 3: protect themselves. I mean, look, the Patriot Act was passed,

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Speaker 3: you know because of the September eleven eleven attacks. Fast

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Speaker 3: forward ten, fifteen, twenty years later, that same Patriot Act

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Speaker 3: is being used to attack everyday Americans. So I think

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Speaker 3: as a society, we really have to, you know, really

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Speaker 3: ask that very important question. You know, there's pros and

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Speaker 3: cons to both systems. I know what system I would

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Speaker 3: rather use, And.

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Speaker 1: That is the most important part that you said right there.

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Speaker 1: And this is the point. I was actually having a

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Speaker 1: conversation with Q, my producer, a little before the show,

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Speaker 1: talking about this that most people just lack nuance, right,

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Speaker 1: almost almost nothing is like black and white. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of things, but most things have some

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Speaker 1: sort of nuance there, and so you have to look

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Speaker 1: at the cost benefit analysis or the pros and cons

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Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call it. The trade offs.

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Speaker 1: Everything's trade offs, right, and so there might be a

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Speaker 1: few people that do bad things with it, but you

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Speaker 1: don't want to penalize the ninety nine percent of the

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Speaker 1: people for the one or two percent of people that

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Speaker 1: might do bad things. The other thing is that we

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Speaker 1: have laws against doing bad things. So like we want

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Speaker 1: to prevent terrorists from killing people, Well, we happen to

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Speaker 1: have laws for killing people. We happen to have laws

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Speaker 1: for that. Those terrorists probably drink water. They probably drive cars, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: we can't take away everything that they use, right, we

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Speaker 1: can't take away these tools. And so they used cars

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Speaker 1: to get to their medium to plan this whatever attack

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Speaker 1: they did or whatever we should we should ban cars.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. And so it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: sense to ban the money, especially considering the trade offs

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Speaker 1: that we have, where to your point, these people are

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Speaker 1: stealing our lives, really, I mean that's what it comes

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Speaker 1: down to, right, I Mean, just if you think about

503
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Speaker 1: home ownership alone, it's gone from two and a half

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Speaker 1: years average time it takes to save for a home

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Speaker 1: pre nineteen seventy one to now almost six years. Six

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Speaker 1: and a half years to save for a home. It's

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Speaker 1: like four years of my life that was just taken away.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't make sense to do that. I think

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Speaker 1: to your point, thinking about the pros and cons of

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Speaker 1: that is certainly the right way to think about that.

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Speaker 1: It's just hard for people to think past first order

512
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Speaker 1: thinking today, right, it seems like.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Just to kind of add to your point about the

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Speaker 3: home ownership, Look, if you are under the age of

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Speaker 3: thirty five, you're nothing more than a serf, like you

517
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Speaker 3: won't own anything. In fact, their own propaganda has gotten

518
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Speaker 3: to the point where they're telling you the quiet part

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Speaker 3: out loud, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: They call the.

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Speaker 3: Bitcoin conference the Freedom Conference. I call the World Economic

522
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Speaker 3: Forum the Contellionaire Conference. Their own propaganda is literally telling

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Speaker 3: us you'll own nothing and be happy. So if you're

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Speaker 3: under a certain age group, if you're a millennial, if

525
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Speaker 3: you're a zoomer, every time they print money into wealth

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Speaker 3: redistribution mechanism from the lower and middle classes, which tend

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Speaker 3: to be the younger generations, back to the government, back

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Speaker 3: to the very wealthy assets become unaffordable. Right, So the

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Speaker 3: American dream that my parents had when they were growing up,

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Speaker 3: or my parents really didn't grow up here. But what

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Speaker 3: I've heard, you know, Americans, the so called American dream

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Speaker 3: that you know, that's becoming more and more unattainable to

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Speaker 3: a lot of people in my generation until bitcoin. Bitcoin

534
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Speaker 3: is now my American dream. Bitcoin now allows me to

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Speaker 3: save for the future without fear of confiscation or wealthy basement.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's talk about that for a minute. So you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. We can see that all the data shows

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Speaker 1: us that the rich keep getting rich or the poor

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Speaker 1: are getting left behind. The reason why, though, is because

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Speaker 1: the rich buy assets, and asset prices are going to

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Speaker 1: the moon. So as they contend to print money, asset

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Speaker 1: prices go higher. So the reason why the rich keeping

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Speaker 1: and richer is because they own the stocks, they own

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Speaker 1: the houses, et cetera. And so as those go up

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Speaker 1: and people don't. Now, I would say, first of all,

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Speaker 1: first question is so why can't millennials buy assets? And

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Speaker 1: I get it, like house prices are too high, but

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Speaker 1: you can buy cheap homes in the in the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: you can buy an eighty thousand dollars home, no problem.

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Speaker 1: You can also buy one share of stock. And so

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Speaker 1: maybe there's an education gap there where like people are

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Speaker 1: consuming too much and so we're in the site consumption culture.

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Speaker 1: But also at the same time, you know, as Michael

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Speaker 1: Saylor talks about that, now for the first time in history,

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Speaker 1: people can actually own a little bit of property like

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Speaker 1: this digital property. So maybe that's opening that up. And

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Speaker 1: if you're just tune in, you're listening to the Mark

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Speaker 1: Maas Show, sitting down with Nico Moran, a host of

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Speaker 1: Simply Bitcoin TV and director of content over at swan Bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with more in a minute. Don't go away,

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Speaker 1: beer back all right, welcome back. If you're just tune in,

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Speaker 1: you're listening to the Mark Maas Show. We're always talking

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Speaker 1: about the decentralized revolution as we look through the lens

564
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Speaker 1: of politics, finance, and technology. Of course, technology is bitcoin

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Speaker 1: the decentralized technology that's changing the world. I'm sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Nico Moran, the host of Simply Bitcoin TV, director

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Speaker 1: of content over at swan Bitcoin. Check out swan Bitcoin

568
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Speaker 1: if you want to get some bitcoin for your portfolio.

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Speaker 1: It's a good time to get it. It's always a

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Speaker 1: good time to get it anyway, Nico. Before the break,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about how, you know, we have this

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Speaker 1: divide between the rich and the poor, and the reason

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Speaker 1: why it continue to get wider is because the rich

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Speaker 1: own assets, and while certainly a lot of assets you know,

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Speaker 1: to the cantel and effect are getting priced out. And

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Speaker 1: sure it's getting harder for millennials to buy houses and

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Speaker 1: all those things. Millennials can buy assets and they could

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Speaker 1: see their wealth go up just like the boomers do

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Speaker 1: as well. Obviously, real wages have gone down, so it's

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Speaker 1: harder to do that. And I'm not saying that it's

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Speaker 1: not a struggle, but they basically have the same opportunity

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Speaker 1: to buy assets that most people do today, not counting

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Speaker 1: black Rock at Blackstone of those guys. But do you

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Speaker 1: think part of it comes down to one? I guess education.

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Speaker 1: They don't understand that, and to maybe the culture that

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Speaker 1: we have today is sort of like this instant gratification,

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Speaker 1: so they'd rather go out and party with their boys

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Speaker 1: at night and buy a bottle than buy assets. Do

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Speaker 1: you think it's maybe more that or is it that

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Speaker 1: people are struggling so much they don't even have a

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Speaker 1: spare dime to put into an ass So I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's a combination of both.

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Speaker 3: Right, according to a CNNBC article, sixty one percent of

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Speaker 3: Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, so you know a

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Speaker 3: huge percentage of the American public they just they can't

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Speaker 3: afford to buy assets. That in turn gives a very

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Speaker 3: bad lane to capitalism because people blame capitalism for literally

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Speaker 3: something that was caused by a central bank, by centralization, right,

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Speaker 3: by central planning.

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Speaker 2: So I think that contributes to it.

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Speaker 1: And then another and just just to cut you off

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Speaker 1: on that, per Karl Marx and the Commuist Manifesto point

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Speaker 1: number five ten points of Communism. Point of five is

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Speaker 1: a central bank. That's not a capitalism thing, that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a communist thing.

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Speaker 3: But absolutely, by the way, I highly recommend that that book.

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Speaker 3: It's great, Mark and Spetsky wrote it, very very good book.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a combination of people just not

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Speaker 3: being able to afford things.

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Speaker 2: And then that infects the culture.

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Speaker 3: Right, so you have a lot of the youth that

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Speaker 3: are nihilistic, right, they live for tomorrow, they don't live

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Speaker 3: for the future. This whole saving idea is completely out

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Speaker 3: of the question. A lot of the socialists and Marxist

615
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Speaker 3: ideas start to seem alluring, and rightly so to them

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Speaker 3: because they feel like they got jaded. Where they're mistaken.

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Speaker 3: Where they're mistaken is that it's not the economic system

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Speaker 3: that's broken, it's the money that's broken, right, And that's

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Speaker 3: the lift really to us bitcoiners and content creators like yourself,

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Speaker 3: Mark you being one of the most talented that I know,

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Speaker 3: it's really getting that message out there, breaking out of

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Speaker 3: the bitcoin echo chamber, so to speak, and really educating

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Speaker 3: people on the matter. It's like, hey, it's a good

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Speaker 3: idea to save, it's a good idea to have hope

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Speaker 3: for the future. But I think if you're living under

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Speaker 3: a fiat standard, I think that it's impossible to have

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Speaker 3: hope for the future. I think you're nihilistic living on

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Speaker 3: a fiat standard. I think if you live on bitcoin,

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Speaker 3: or if you live on a physical gold standard right

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Speaker 3: where your wealth isn't being devalued, I think that changes

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Speaker 3: your operating system in your mind, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: you have optimism for the future. You start thinking long term,

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Speaker 3: you start thinking about saving for a brighter and better future.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a combination of people just can't

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Speaker 3: afford to buy assets and just this this this this

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Speaker 3: cultural issue that has infected society in the US. Coming

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Speaker 3: from a communist country, coming from a socialist company to

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Speaker 3: the US, I can tell you without a shadow of

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Speaker 3: a doubt, the US is one of the greatest countries

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Speaker 3: on planet Earth. And I'm extremely grateful to be here.

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Speaker 3: I don't see that in the US today with a

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Speaker 3: lot of people that were natively born here, they see

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Speaker 3: they grow up and they it's almost as if they

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Speaker 3: hate the country, right, And to me, that blows my mind. Right,

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Speaker 3: So I think it's a combination of two factors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, and I think and I think

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Speaker 1: the point that I'm kind of digging out in that

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Speaker 1: is that you know, we the youth, but potentially, you know,

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Speaker 1: education system has kind of taught us that, like we

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Speaker 1: have to own a home. And because I can't afford

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Speaker 1: to own home, then I just can't afford anything. So

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Speaker 1: I'll just go party all my money away the stock

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Speaker 1: market like whatever it's going to fall. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Buy one share of Amazon? Like

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Speaker 1: what's that going to do for me? But I could

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Speaker 1: just buy five dollars worth of bitcoin, and so it's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just put fifteen bucks in and then it's like

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Speaker 1: it's it's like the starting is always the hardest part.

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Speaker 1: So once you get fifteen dollars worth, then it goes

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Speaker 1: to twenty five. It's like, well, let me see if

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Speaker 1: I can get to a hundred. Let me see if

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Speaker 1: I can get to a thousand, let me see get it,

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Speaker 1: and then it kind of starts that pass. So maybe

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Speaker 1: it's like it lowers the bar to ownership and it

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Speaker 1: kind of gives you this like advantage of maybe this

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Speaker 1: newer asset class that maybe has some potential versus you know,

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Speaker 1: the Amazon or in video that's probably already overvalued. So

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Speaker 1: it's sort of like maybe give someone a lower bearer

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Speaker 1: to entry. But really it's just about starting and kind

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Speaker 1: of getting that ball rolling, you know. In regards to

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Speaker 1: that starting and getting the ball rolling, you know. One

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Speaker 1: of the biggest things that I think we've probably always

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Speaker 1: been hit I'm sure you have been hit up as

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Speaker 1: many times as I have, is like when people are

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Speaker 1: thinking about bitcoin, is like, won't the governments just make

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Speaker 1: it a lead legal. And we had started out this

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Speaker 1: conversation talking about how they're trying to pass bills to

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Speaker 1: prevent it. You know, we got Elizabeth Warren and her crew,

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Speaker 1: Gary Gensler and his crew, et cetera, trying to really

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Speaker 1: kind of prevent this in the EU, trying to pass

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Speaker 1: laws to kind of restricted, et cetera. And so one

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Speaker 1: of these questions that we hear all the time is like,

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Speaker 1: won't they just make it illegal? But we're sort of

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Speaker 1: at this point where like the level of intrenchment inside

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Speaker 1: the government has reached a pretty high level. We now

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Speaker 1: have like dozens of like high ranking members in government

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Speaker 1: that are bitcoinners now, including to the point you were

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Speaker 1: talking about current current acting Speaker of the House, the

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Speaker 1: third highest member in the government right now, Patrick McHenry

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Speaker 1: is a bitcoinner.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the presidential you know line

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Speaker 3: of succession, right, you know, God forbid anything happens to

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Speaker 3: Biden or a vice president Kamala Harris, this is that

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Speaker 3: he will become president, right And of course, you know,

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Speaker 3: and technically he's interim speaker, they're looking for the next speaker,

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Speaker 3: but he hosts the Bitcoin White paper on his on

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Speaker 3: his website. He's been very very pro bitcoin, anti CBDC.

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Speaker 3: But it's not only just happening on you know, on

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Speaker 3: the on the House level, right, it's also happening on

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Speaker 3: the presidential level as well. The second place for the

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Speaker 3: Republican presidential second and third place, Ron DeSantis, who is

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Speaker 3: currently governor of Florida. He passed an anti CBDC bill

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Speaker 3: in Florida and one of the mission statements that he

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Speaker 3: said if he were to be elected president would be

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Speaker 3: to protect bitcoin. He literally said that quote protect bitcoin.

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Speaker 3: Second is also Vivik Ramaswami, who's also a big fan

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Speaker 3: of bitcoin. And it's a bipartisan thing because on the

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Speaker 3: Democratic side, I know, he just he just stepped down

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Speaker 3: from the Democratic side and he went independent. We have

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Speaker 3: RFK Junior, who gave that famous speech at the Bitcoin

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three Commerce conference where he said, if you

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Speaker 3: elect me, I'll protect your right to run a node,

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Speaker 3: take self custody of your bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: So there's a.

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Speaker 3: Non zero chance that in twenty twenty four will have

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Speaker 3: a bitcoin, a pro bitcoin, anti CBDC president in the

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Speaker 3: White House. And I'm calling it right now. By the

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Speaker 3: time twenty twenty eight comes along. I think it's going

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Speaker 3: to become politically unviable for any politician to run a

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Speaker 3: successful campaign in the US and have a chance of

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Speaker 3: getting elected if they take an anti bitcoin pro CBDC stance.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of moving the Overton window, in terms

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Speaker 3: of where we're heading, I think we're heading in the

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Speaker 3: right direction, and they have a really, really hard time

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Speaker 3: because they have a race against the clock to really

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Speaker 3: roll out this CBDC and get this CBDC adopted before

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Speaker 3: enough of the population is holding bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I would also throw out Tulci Gabbard

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Speaker 1: was also from the Democratic Party. Now she's sort of

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Speaker 1: like leave that, but you know it is sort of

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Speaker 1: bipartisan to your point. She spoke at the Bitcoin conference

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Speaker 1: as well, so we do really see both sides of

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Speaker 1: them there, and this level of entrench with that that

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Speaker 1: we've seen to the government is massive to your point.

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Speaker 1: So I like that. I would say, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting you kind of made the point that in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight it would be someone wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 1: win running on like this anti bitcoin platform. We've seen

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren coming on this like anti crypto platform, if

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Speaker 1: you will, And I asked chat GPT, I said, when

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Speaker 1: in history US history has any politician run on a

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Speaker 1: platform to ban something or take something away? And it

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Speaker 1: gave me this answer that it's never happened, and no

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Speaker 1: one would ever run on that because America is a

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Speaker 1: free country, and who would ever run on taking away freedoms?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, exactly, like, how is this running on

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Speaker 1: an anti platform to take away my right to have something?

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Speaker 1: Just makes no sense. If you're just turning in listening

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Speaker 1: to the Mark Maus Show, I have been sitting down

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Speaker 1: with a Nico Moran, the host of Simply Bitcoin TV

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Speaker 1: and director of content over at swan Bitcoin. Check them

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Speaker 1: out over there, give them a follow. We'll link to

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Speaker 1: them in the show notes down And that's what we

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Speaker 1: got for the show today. Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Until next time,