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Speaker 1: I have an amazed show for everybody today, would be Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do oil headed back up to one hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars a barrel right now as we speak, it sits

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Speaker 2: at ninety eight dollars. This comes as Trump issues new threats.

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Speaker 2: Professor Mohammad Morandi is going to join us with the

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Speaker 2: view from Tehran on what is unfolding in the Iran

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Speaker 2: War de Pentagon. Meanwhile, it's begging for more money and

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Speaker 2: it's not going all that wealth. Even Maga is getting

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Speaker 2: sick of this war. There are a bunch of new

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Speaker 2: poles looking pretty grim for the President and his coalition.

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Speaker 2: AI escaped the lab and hacked into another company. Significant

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Speaker 2: significant warning signs here, major breach. We're going to have

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Speaker 2: an expert on to breakdown what this means going forward,

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Speaker 2: and we have this is a soccer special, author of

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Speaker 2: a book on the garontocracy with some fairly provocative ideas

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Speaker 2: about how to get the old people in checks. So

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Speaker 2: that'll be an interesting one. I have some things I

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Speaker 2: want to some bones I want to pick with them

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Speaker 2: on this book.

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Speaker 4: He's just asking questions, not asking questions. He's the starting

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Speaker 4: He just to give the games away a little bit.

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Speaker 2: He thinks old people should have less of a vote,

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Speaker 2: like their vote should actually be rated, which is kind

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Speaker 2: of wild, Like it's like a weird threefits compromise for.

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Speaker 3: Old wild pushing wild or potentially a visionary. We will

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Speaker 3: get to that. Maybe they'll be laughing at it, or

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Speaker 3: maybe maybe they'll be laughing at us.

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Speaker 1: For even doubting him. Twenty years from now.

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Speaker 3: we're going to go ahead and start with the escalation

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Speaker 3: in oil and in the Red Sea as who these

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Speaker 2: Let's go out and put a two B up on

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Speaker 2: the screen here. As I mentioned before, oil is skyrocketing

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Speaker 2: this morning, back up to nearly one hundred dollars a barrel.

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Speaker 4: We can put a one B up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Here the Houthis are claiming attacks on two Saudi oil tankers.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it's worth saying.

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Speaker 3: That all of this is because actually of Trump, and

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Speaker 3: it's not just in terms of the Iran war. Trump

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Speaker 4: Actually Pretris two administration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hoothy campaign from Joe Biden, what did he say?

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Speaker 1: Famously he said, he said, are we going to continue?

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Speaker 1: Is it working?

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Speaker 1: Are we going to continue bombing them? Yes? Actual quote

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Speaker 2: One of the more honest foreign policy statements in American

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Speaker 3: It basically, you know, gives the entire game away. Trump escalated,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a real precursor to what happened, what

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Speaker 1: And you also have a one we could put here

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Speaker 3: Trump absolutely desperate this truth social posts from you yesterday.

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Speaker 3: From this point forward, anytime the Islamic Republic of Iran

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Speaker 1: And so that's one thing.

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Speaker 3: But the second thing is this is by account of

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Speaker 1: So he's either going to do it or not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, it could precursor you know, the biggest

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Speaker 3: civilization will die tonight. But as of this morning, we

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Speaker 3: the worst sign yet one hundred and fifty new medics

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Speaker 2: That is a lot of criticism of the medical care

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Speaker 3: As there should be, and which many of the people

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Speaker 3: They are now in Germany, but they've surged all these

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Speaker 1: All of these new warships.

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Speaker 3: Special operations groups similarly have been repositioned back in the

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Speaker 2: from speaker Golliboff. He says essentially exactly what zageris said.

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Speaker 2: The equation of this war is clear, either all or none.

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Speaker 2: Those who contribute to such aggression, whatever the kind of support,

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Speaker 2: will also be considered as legitimate targets. That, of course,

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Speaker 2: is the you know, the neighborhood there talking about Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who is involved you a, anyone who is involved

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Speaker 2: they have demonstrated time and again. In spite of this solo,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to tell Trump that, even if

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Speaker 2: They are much less vulnerable in a lot of ways

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Speaker 2: Residents of Kuwait City say they're adjusting their daily routines

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Speaker 4: With the mission. All of them said, we can't let

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Speaker 6: Some of you are going with it to honor our heroes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously he has no idea what was in the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, all right.

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Speaker 3: I think we have a Professor Morandi standing by, so

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Speaker 3: let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: So for the view from Iran, we are now joined

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Speaker 2: by Professor Sayed Mohammed Mirandi of the University of Tehran.

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Speaker 4: Great to see you against her, goodesteez.

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Speaker 5: Her, Thank you both for inviting me. It's always a

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 2: So we have a fresh Trump truth social for you

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Speaker 2: a year ago the United States of America attacked very

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Speaker 2: last night. Please let this truth serve to represent that

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Speaker 4: Your reaction to that, sir, well, we.

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Speaker 7: Are all ready on Trump's list, even as he's waging

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Speaker 5: He said that any ship that.

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Speaker 7: Hid, of course, or even fired upon in the Australia

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Speaker 7: Foremos in response to the United States will take out

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 7: Last night three ships tried to pass through the Straight

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Speaker 7: So far, Trump has not carried out his threat. Of course,

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Speaker 5: And we know what that would mean.

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Speaker 7: In the month of July and a in the Arabian Peninsula,

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Speaker 5: They didn't. The United States did not succeed.

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Speaker 7: So far, the United States in its war against Iran

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Speaker 1: Professor.

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Speaker 3: on the screen. Your Foreign minister put this statement out yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Our defense doctrine is clear, an eye for an eye.

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Speaker 3: Any aggression against Iran, including our infrastructure, will compel a

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Speaker 3: So if I pair this with some of the comments

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Speaker 1: What can we expect.

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Speaker 7: Well, if we go back to the forty Day War,

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Speaker 7: The Iranians threatened the United States and said that if

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Speaker 7: And the US also hit the desalination plant in the

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Speaker 5: So the Iranian threat is real.

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Speaker 7: And the Iranians will go and destroy the infrastructure of

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Speaker 7: in these countries, which are all deserts, and we're in

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Speaker 7: the month of July, these countries will have to be evacuated,

442
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Speaker 7: and that includes Saudi Arabia. The countries will fall apart,

443
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Speaker 7: and that means that there will be no more energy

444
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Speaker 7: for months, if not years to come, and that will

445
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Speaker 7: lead to a global economic depression worse than the nineteen thirties.

446
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Speaker 7: This is not something that Iran wants. Uran didn't start

447
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Speaker 7: the war, Iran didn't escalate, Iran didn't and to target

448
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Speaker 7: critical infrastructure. But this is Iran's deturrens. They will do this,

449
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Speaker 7: but they're saying they will do this so that Trump

450
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Speaker 7: does not move in.

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Speaker 5: That direction.

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Speaker 4: Professor.

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Speaker 2: President Trump has claimed that Iran is begging to talk.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any reason to take those claims seriously,

455
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Speaker 2: but I am curious what the attitude within Iran, as

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Speaker 2: far as you can glean towards negotiations and diplomacy is

457
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Speaker 2: at this point.

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Speaker 7: Well, we all know that he said he was saying

459
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Speaker 7: this throughout this war. He's been saying it so many times.

460
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Speaker 7: I don't know how many times exactly, but tens of times.

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Speaker 7: And you know, in Iran, there's actually a different type

462
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Speaker 7: of debate. There is a divide in Iran between those

463
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Speaker 7: who think that the MoU is the right thing to

464
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Speaker 7: do and those who said that we should not have

465
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Speaker 7: signed the MoU and we should have just continued until

466
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Speaker 7: things got worse for the United States. Both sides have

467
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Speaker 7: an argument to make. I mean, those who were in

468
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Speaker 7: favor of the MU, they said, well, we took advantage

469
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Speaker 7: of the first few days. We exported tens of millions

470
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Speaker 7: of battles of oil and imported critical supplies to prepare

471
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Speaker 7: ourselves for the next phase because we knew that the

472
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Speaker 7: United States would not abide by the MoU. And those

473
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Speaker 7: who opposed it were saying, no, we should have continued.

474
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Speaker 7: They were in bad shape and we should have just

475
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Speaker 7: put more pressure on. The debate is not, let's this

476
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Speaker 7: negotiate now.

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Speaker 5: No one is saying that. So the debate today is.

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Speaker 7: Both sides have arguments to make, and I'm not in

479
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Speaker 7: any particular camp myself. I think both it's some I

480
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Speaker 7: think both have good arguments to make. But the point

481
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Speaker 7: is that the talk is whether we should have been

482
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Speaker 7: hitting harder and being more assertive rather than pursuing the

483
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Speaker 7: policy that we did in the past. No one now

484
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Speaker 7: is talking about negotiations.

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Speaker 3: Well, the curious thing, Sir I saw that you had

486
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Speaker 3: said during the memorandum of understanding period, if you could

487
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Speaker 3: say that there was some sort of understanding, is you

488
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: were mimicking some of the rhetoric of our vice president,

489
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Speaker 3: say that you were taking the opportunity to reload. So

490
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Speaker 3: was this always the course of action that was in

491
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Speaker 3: the minds of many of these Iranian leaders? And now

492
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Speaker 3: that we are back in a phase where some hot

493
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Speaker 3: war has resumed, what would it take to resume the

494
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Speaker 3: memorandum of understanding?

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Speaker 7: The Iranian leaders did not believe that the United States

496
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Speaker 7: would abide by them or U and if they had,

497
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Speaker 7: the Iranians would have fulfilled their side at the bargain.

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Speaker 7: No doubt, the Iranian intention was there, and that's how

499
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Speaker 7: it's been in the past with the JCPOA. That's how

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Speaker 7: it was, and it would have been the same today.

501
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Speaker 7: But the Iranians knew that these those who I know

502
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Speaker 7: in the different political camps They all believed that the

503
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Speaker 7: United States would not abide by its commitments, and it

504
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Speaker 7: became pretty clear after three days. They did not hand

505
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Speaker 7: over the stolen assets, They did not force Israeli regime

506
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Speaker 7: to leave Lebanon. The Trump continued to threaten Iranian officials

507
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Speaker 7: and the Iranian people, which is a violation of the deal.

508
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Speaker 7: They expanded the sanctions regime, another violation. They removed the

509
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Speaker 7: sanctions on oil exports, then reversed that after a few days,

510
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Speaker 7: another violation. And of course they in violation of Article five.

511
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Speaker 7: They went and set up their own parallel corridor and

512
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Speaker 7: the Straight of Hormoses, because in Article five, Iran was

513
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Speaker 7: supposed to manage the strait. So what the Americans were

514
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Speaker 7: trying to do is to try to take control over

515
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Speaker 7: the Straight, take away Iran's leverage, and then not carry

516
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Speaker 7: out its obligations, and win a war that they could

517
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Speaker 7: not win on the battlefield or through siege warfare. And

518
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Speaker 7: then they bombed Iran when Iran ultimately, after a couple

519
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Speaker 7: of weeks of warning the Saudis and the Martis and

520
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Speaker 7: the Americans not to do this, Iranians finally struck three

521
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Speaker 7: ships I think, and then the Americans wage war against

522
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Speaker 7: the iran again another violation and reimpose the siege. So

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Speaker 7: the Iranians knew that was happening, but the Iranian and

524
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Speaker 7: the difference between Iran the United States was that the

525
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Speaker 7: Iranians were willing to implement the deal, but not the Americans.

526
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Speaker 7: But the Iranians, they took that opportunity to export a

527
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Speaker 7: lot of oil and to import critical supplies to prepare

528
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Speaker 7: them for the next phase. But I think that ultimately,

529
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Speaker 7: if the United States the Iranians are not in the

530
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Speaker 7: mood for negotiations, but if the United States wants to

531
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Speaker 7: solve the problem, I think that the MoU it will

532
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Speaker 7: not be enough freewom they will demand. They will demand

533
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Speaker 7: that the United States first carries out certain things before

534
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Speaker 7: the Iranians do anything. And they will also be explicit

535
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Speaker 7: in including Yemen and Gaza and the negotiations. That's my

536
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Speaker 7: that's my guess, too.

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Speaker 4: Very interesting.

538
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Speaker 2: Retire General Keith Callaghoe has held a variety of roles

539
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Speaker 2: both in the first and the second Trump administrations, took

540
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Speaker 2: to Fox News to push for a significant escalation.

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Speaker 4: This is a seven guys, let's go ahead and play this.

542
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Speaker 8: Here is a concern I do have for a ram

543
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Speaker 8: though you have played sports. I've played sports, We've watched sports,

544
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Speaker 8: and you let a team hang around, a baseball team

545
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Speaker 8: in the ninth inning, or a football team in the

546
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Speaker 8: fourth quarter, where were clearly the better team. You should

547
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Speaker 8: have closed them out in the first quarter, not the fourth,

548
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Speaker 8: or the first inning, not to ninth inning. And as

549
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Speaker 8: longer they stick around, the more dangerous they become. And

550
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Speaker 8: that's kind of where we're at right now. And I

551
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 8: think the President's going to close it out. You should

552
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Speaker 8: close it out. There's a few things he should do.

553
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Speaker 8: I think one is on negotiations. Let's not negotiate. I'm

554
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Speaker 8: not negotiating with these guys. We're going to dictate the

555
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Speaker 8: terms of the war, and it is a war that's

556
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Speaker 8: going on right now. We're going to keep taking out

557
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Speaker 8: their leadership. The whole policy about decapitation, we need to

558
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Speaker 8: continue that. If that means taking out Bahiti or a

559
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Speaker 8: Ratchet or anybody else like that, that's fine because it

560
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Speaker 8: destabilizes the regime. The other part, because it gives you leverage,

561
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Speaker 8: is I would take the islands of carg Island and

562
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Speaker 8: lo Rack Island, which is like it's further to these,

563
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Speaker 8: but it's like the commanding control center of the Gulf,

564
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Speaker 8: and you take them to give the president leverage. Now

565
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Speaker 8: I own something you don't have anymore. We'll give it

566
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Speaker 8: back to you at the end of this war if

567
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Speaker 8: you need it or who're you going to keep it forever.

568
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Speaker 8: The other thing I think we should be doing is, look,

569
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Speaker 8: let's go and if it takes a presidential finding or

570
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Speaker 8: something like that, let's start figuring out how we can

571
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Speaker 8: help the Iranian people organize the resistance against the theocratic regime.

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Speaker 2: So Professor Trump, in addition to that on Fox News,

573
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Speaker 2: very influential in this particular individual, also very influential, Trump

574
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Speaker 2: has directly said he plans to attack Pickaxe Mountain. I'm wondering,

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Speaker 2: from your perspective within Iran, what people are sort of

576
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Speaker 2: expecting Trump's next move to be.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I'd like to point out that

578
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Speaker 7: I'm really surprised that he was a general. I fought

579
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Speaker 7: in war, but I was just an ordinary volunteer and

580
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Speaker 7: foot soldier. What strategic value would Park Island have? How

581
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Speaker 7: is it a command and control center. It's a flat

582
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Speaker 7: piece of land, which has I mean, right now, Iran

583
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Speaker 7: is not exporting oil because there's a siege. So if

584
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Speaker 7: they take it, there's it's a flat island, and the

585
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Speaker 7: Iranians will just simply start hammering it day and night

586
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Speaker 7: and kill the US troops. And so is that going

587
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Speaker 7: to stop the Iran I mean, right now, Iran is

588
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Speaker 7: striking US bases in Jordan if that's like a thousand

589
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 7: kilometers away, or in the western Saudi Arabia. So why

590
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Speaker 7: does Iran need to be standing alongside the shores of

591
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Speaker 7: the Persian Gulf or the Strait of Hormos to block ships.

592
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Speaker 7: This is not like the eighteenth century, It's not even

593
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Speaker 7: the twentieth century. This is the twenty first century. It's

594
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Speaker 7: the air of missiles and drones. Ryn can hit US

595
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Speaker 7: bases and Jordan and destroy their key assets or in

596
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Speaker 7: Sodi Arabia or elsewhere, Then what purpose would it have

597
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Speaker 7: for them to carry out this sort of attack. I

598
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Speaker 7: find it amazing that he ever became a general at all.

599
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Speaker 7: But I think the most important thing here for me

600
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Speaker 7: is that if this war expands. First of all, if

601
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Speaker 7: the global economy collapses, that means the US economy will collapse,

602
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Speaker 7: and I think that the United States will have to withdraw,

603
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Speaker 7: not just from our region, but from across the globe.

604
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Speaker 7: A global economic depression will mean that we will all

605
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Speaker 7: lose job The jobs will be lost, businesses will collapse,

606
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Speaker 7: factories will shut down, there won't be money insecurity everywhere.

607
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Speaker 7: I don't think he quite comprehends what that means for

608
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Speaker 7: the globe. Tens of millions of people, perhaps maybe hundreds

609
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Speaker 7: of millions of people will be on the move. I mean, imagine,

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Speaker 7: let's say Latin America, people losing their livelihoods where they're

611
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Speaker 7: going to go. I mean, North America may not be

612
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Speaker 7: any better, but people will still go to North America.

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Speaker 7: It's sort of like the Grapes of Wrath, where people

614
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Speaker 7: went to California. We moved towards California, even though things

615
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 7: weren't all that great over there either. So I don't

616
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Speaker 7: think they quite comprehend what that means. And there's another

617
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Speaker 7: factor as well. Yemen is now in the fight. The

618
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Speaker 7: resistance in Iraq is larger than the resistance in Lebanon.

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Speaker 7: They have at least one hundred and fifty thousand, maybe

620
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Speaker 7: two hundred thousand people right now prepared to fight, and

621
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Speaker 7: they're well armed. So you have Iran, you have the

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Speaker 7: resistance in Iraq, you have Yemen. Who does the United

623
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Speaker 7: States have?

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Speaker 5: It has?

625
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Speaker 7: Like what Bahrain it has the Emirates, I mean do

626
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Speaker 7: they even have a fighting force? And now Soaudi Arabia

627
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Speaker 7: is they can't export oil. These are countries that are

628
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Speaker 7: literally almost one hundred percent dependent on oil or gas.

629
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Speaker 5: They're deserts and if.

630
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Speaker 7: Their critical infrastructure is destroyed then tens of millions of

631
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Speaker 7: people will have to leave the Arabian peninsula. Again, I

632
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 7: don't think he quite understands what an all out war means.

633
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Speaker 7: And they already tried that anyway with Iran decapit. I mean,

634
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Speaker 7: you can't get higher than Ayato Lahaminad.

635
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Speaker 5: They marched him nothing.

636
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Speaker 7: We didn't have a leader for two weeks because the

637
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Speaker 7: assembly that chooses the leader in accordance with the constitution

638
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 7: couldn't gather together for two weeks because of the strikes.

639
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Speaker 7: So for two weeks we didn't have a leader. We

640
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Speaker 7: had a council in accordance with the constitution, you know.

641
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Speaker 7: But still they fought back. The streets were being cleaned

642
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 7: at nights, people were going to the supermarkets. No one

643
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 7: emptied the shelves of supermarkets. So why does he even think

644
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 7: that if they try that again it's going to succeed.

645
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Speaker 7: The only difference is that if they go after Iran's

646
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 7: critical infrastructure this time round, Iran is going to do

647
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Speaker 7: the same and we are going to literally be living

648
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Speaker 7: in a completely different world if that happens.

649
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Professor Morondi, we really appreciate your time.

650
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Sir, it's always a pleasure. Thank you for having me.

652
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Speaker 3: Turning now to the Pentagon, which is currently shaking down

653
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Speaker 3: the American taxpayer for.

654
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Speaker 1: Some one point five trillion dollars.

655
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Speaker 3: Secretary of War Pete Hegsath went before Congress and said

656
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Speaker 3: that the greatest national security threat America faces if he

657
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: doesn't get his outrageous budget.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: As I have said before, not fully funding this department,

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Speaker 9: the Department of War, and we know what that means.

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Speaker 9: That that means one point five trillion. Given the world

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Speaker 9: that we live in and the disaster of what the

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Speaker 9: Biden administration budgets gave us, not funding this department at

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Speaker 9: one point five trillion, I believe is the greatest threat

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Speaker 9: that our nation faces.

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Speaker 3: The greatest threat our nation faces is an extra five

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Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars which they didn't originally need and made

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Speaker 3: up a number out of completely whole cloth. This comes

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Speaker 3: as the Pentagon Act. This part is real, actually is

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Speaker 3: running out of money because of the Iran War. They

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Speaker 3: are almost one hundred percent lying to us about the cost.

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Speaker 3: And I'll break that down just here in a moment.

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Speaker 3: But one of the funny things is I've been reading

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Speaker 3: a ton of the stuff behind the scenes the lawmakers.

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Speaker 3: They've been bringing the lawmakers to the Pentagon for four

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Speaker 3: to six hour meetings where they have chips and dip

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Speaker 3: and AI powered power points and they're just walking them

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Speaker 3: through why they need all this money. And even the

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Speaker 3: Republicans are.

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Speaker 1: Like, I just don't get it. They're like, where is

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Speaker 1: the money going?

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Speaker 2: And so the money and the Pentagon doesn't know either,

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Speaker 2: and they don't know it's all the same.

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Speaker 1: It's complete exactly.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, they've a passing on it in

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Speaker 3: five years. But the thing is is it's entirely a

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Speaker 3: slush fund basically, either for the Iran war or the

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Speaker 3: whatever pet projects you know that these Trump people have

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Speaker 3: got going on in the background for drones or all

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Speaker 3: kinds of these boondoggles that they have, they have no

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Speaker 3: zero justification. And if you look and I have, I've

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Speaker 3: brought many of these up in the past. Of these

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Speaker 3: past projects, of the promised funding, I brought it up

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Speaker 3: in our last show, five hundred million dollars to produce

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Speaker 3: these new one hundred or the to reproduce these one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five millimeters shells which were all given

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Speaker 3: to Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And it's like oops.

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Speaker 3: In the four years so the almost the entirety of

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Speaker 3: the United States experience in World War Two before we

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Speaker 3: appropriated that money to today, not a single shell has

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Speaker 3: rolled off of the assembly line. Five hundred million, five

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Speaker 3: hundred million, it's gone. So how did that happen? Nobody

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Speaker 3: can actually tell you why they have. Basically, they bought

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Speaker 3: the wrong part or they made the wrong bet.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you couldn't have.

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Speaker 3: Fixed it like two years ago, three years ago, and

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Speaker 3: then the Army's like, don't worry about it, will eventually

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Speaker 3: we'll get it.

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Speaker 1: There are all kinds of these types of reports.

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Speaker 3: And at the same time that they're shaking us down

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Speaker 3: for one point five trillion, the Pentagon is also stop

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Speaker 3: releasing the f thirty five report, which is due every

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Speaker 3: single year to Congress, right, so they're covering that up.

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Speaker 3: Whatever happened with that F thirty five over Iran as

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Speaker 3: well as the one that got clipped by the WHO.

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Speaker 3: These they are stopping the release of all of these

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Speaker 3: normal reports which are congressionally mandated by Congress, so that

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Speaker 3: the public can figure this out, and then telling us

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Speaker 3: with a straight face, if we don't get this one

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Speaker 3: point five trillion, then this is the greatest threat that

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Speaker 3: our country faces. It's insanity how this has been normalized.

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Speaker 2: Ken Klippenstein has a piece up to put all of

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Speaker 2: this into perspective, and he says that all of World

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Speaker 2: War Two, all of it from nineteen forty one to

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, cost the US an estimated four point

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Speaker 2: five trillion in today's inflation adjusted dollars. Hegseth wants to

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Speaker 2: spend even more than that over the next four years.

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Speaker 2: He is asking for more money than we spent in

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Speaker 2: all of World War Two. If you want another comparison,

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at how much does Iran spend

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Speaker 2: for their military seven point four billion. And we brought

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Speaker 2: you earlier this week that Washington Post report where military

734
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Speaker 2: analysts were saying, hey, we're running low on basically everything.

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Speaker 2: We cannot safely sustain this pace at all. It's not

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Speaker 2: just you know, it's not just certain categories missile interceptors

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Speaker 2: or whatever that we're running low on. We actually are

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Speaker 2: running low on everything. We cannot continue in this direction.

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Speaker 2: And the White House is maybe not aware of what's

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Speaker 2: going on here. I think any American has to look

741
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Speaker 2: at this and be like, what are you doing? What

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Speaker 2: is this money going towards at a time when you know,

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Speaker 2: this administration and a lot of fanfare at the beginning

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Speaker 2: about DOJ. You know, we got to cut the debt

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Speaker 2: and the deficit, and we're spending way too much money.

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Speaker 2: And then you'll just casually go in and demand one

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Speaker 2: point five trilligan dollars and say it's the greatest threat

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Speaker 2: to the country if we don't fork it over.

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Speaker 4: No for a war that.

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Speaker 2: We don't even want to be in. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: complete and utter insanity. And so of course members of

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Speaker 2: Congress actually, I mean certainly Democrats, but Republicans are feeling

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Speaker 2: some pressure on this too, as Tea comes out, you know,

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Speaker 2: hat in hand begging for more billions to fund something

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Speaker 2: that no one wanted in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Right, and actually, just I'm going to show everybody Pentagon math.

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Speaker 3: So here's how on what the cost of the Iran

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Speaker 3: war is? He says, thirty seven point five billion. Then

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Speaker 3: I'll show you what it actually costs. Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 10: I've been listening patiently while you made your presentation. You

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Speaker 10: estimated at one point that the cost of the war

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Speaker 10: in Iran was twenty nine billion dollars, but then added

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Speaker 10: a caveat that there was a replacement of the munitions

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Speaker 10: for example. Do you have a new estimate about what

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Speaker 10: the war has cost us so far in this the

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Speaker 10: fifth month of the first year of this war in.

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Speaker 9: Iran, Senator, The estimate we have as of today's thirty

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Speaker 9: seven point five billion, and it's the.

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Speaker 10: Current activity which we've been told about, the exchange of

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Speaker 10: fire back and forth in Iran, an indication that number

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Speaker 10: is going to go up in the months ahead.

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Speaker 9: Some of that number captures additional O and M mill

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Speaker 9: pay an other that would be anticipate through the fiscal year,

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Speaker 9: So some of that anticipates what cost would be going

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Speaker 9: out in the future as well.

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Speaker 10: So the new number you've given me is what.

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Speaker 9: Thirty seven point five billion, and.

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Speaker 10: That represents the cost of the war through what period

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Speaker 10: of time.

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Speaker 9: Through now for certain aspects of it, but also millpay

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Speaker 9: o and m other anticipated costs through September thirtieth.

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Speaker 3: Senator, all right, thirty seven point five billion. That's Pentagon math.

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Speaker 3: Now let's look at actual math. Let's put this one

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Speaker 3: up here on the screen. The real cost is somewhere

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Speaker 3: around one hundred billion. And by the way, even that

786
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Speaker 3: is a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of a low ball.

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Speaker 3: So how exactly does the Pentagon you know, secretary go

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Speaker 3: before Congress and say under oath that it's thirty seven

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Speaker 3: point five billion. Well, you actually kind of heard it

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Speaker 3: in his response is not counting munitions and replacement costs,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of an insane way to actually count it.

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Speaker 3: And if anything says that just operating costs absent of

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Speaker 3: what was shot is thirty seven point five billion, should

795
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Speaker 3: get everybody a heart attack.

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Speaker 1: If the real cost is one hundred billion.

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Speaker 3: I just want to put this into perspective for everybody.

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Speaker 3: For the twenty years that the United States spent trying

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Speaker 3: to rebuild the Afghan national security forces, twenty years, we

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Speaker 3: all remember what that project was like, the total cost

801
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Speaker 3: of that operation was one hundred billion dollars, So one

802
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Speaker 3: hundred billion spent in one hundred days versus twenty years.

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Speaker 3: That's how much more efficient we've become at throwing away money.

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Speaker 3: And where did the money go exactly? We can actually

805
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Speaker 3: see that they're flat going broke because of the way

806
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Speaker 3: that the budget is allocated. So let's put the next

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Speaker 3: one up here on the screen, and this again shows

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Speaker 3: you why they're so desperate for this, For this one

809
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Speaker 3: point five trillion dollar cash injection. The Pentagon faces a

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Speaker 3: urgent budget for shortfall because of the Iran War. Already,

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Speaker 3: they are limiting training and maintenance that help maintain military readiness.

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Speaker 3: They continue to short several other critical departments of the Pentagon.

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Speaker 3: The White House has now asked for an immediate infusion

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Speaker 3: of sixty seven billion. Remember that's thirty billion more than

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Speaker 3: pet Tex. Has just said that the Iran war costs,

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Speaker 3: just to help cover some of the costs. If you

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Speaker 3: continue to actually look at where some of this stuff

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Speaker 3: is going, you could see that it comes largely from

819
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Speaker 3: air strikes, It comes from replacement of munitions, It comes

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Speaker 3: also from the operating costs of all of these different

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Speaker 3: aircraft carriers, these strike groups, the forward deployment, the amount

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Speaker 3: of resources and overtime and other things that they have

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Speaker 3: to pay over here. This is just the direct cost

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Speaker 3: of the war itself. This doesn't even factor in munition replacement.

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Speaker 3: And that's with the one hundred billion, yeah, that figure

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Speaker 3: that I'm talking about. So the real cost is probably

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Speaker 3: two to three hundred billion, yeah, which is insane. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that is so categorically nuts. At the time when I

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Speaker 3: covered Afghanistan, I was like, this is more than we

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Speaker 3: spent in Vietnam, And somehow we've blown out the Vietnam

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Speaker 3: budget in one hundred days. Think about that was five

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand American troops were there, and all the other

833
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Speaker 3: insanity that we're doing. To be clear, I'm just talking

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Speaker 3: specifically about the Afghan national security costs. But if you

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Speaker 3: want to put a rock into that too, four trillion. Again,

836
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Speaker 3: it took sixteen seventeen years. I mean, we're on track

837
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Speaker 3: already and we don't even have any troops that are

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Speaker 3: on the ground.

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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine what that will cost.

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Speaker 2: And it also doesn't take into account rebuilding the bases

841
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Speaker 2: that have been obliterated.

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Speaker 4: But those bases may never be rebuilt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there may be no reason to go back

844
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Speaker 2: to the Clearly the basing strategy is completely failed. I

845
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Speaker 2: don't know that those countries are gonna be super excited

846
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Speaker 2: about us going back in and rebuilding and setting up

847
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Speaker 2: shop after all of this, whenever all of this is over.

848
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Speaker 2: But yeah, you just look at it and you're like,

849
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Speaker 2: where is the money going? Like what are you actually

850
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Speaker 2: You're out of everything, You're having to skimp on training

851
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Speaker 2: and maintenance, and you're begging for more billions. Like what

852
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Speaker 2: is actually happening here? I genuinely don't understand. And by

853
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Speaker 2: the way, they don't really understand either because they can't

854
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Speaker 2: pass an audit, so they don't know where the money

855
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Speaker 2: is coming from, you know, going to either Ryan made

856
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Speaker 2: a good point. He's like, how do you know you're

857
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Speaker 2: out of money when you can't even do your own audit?

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Speaker 4: Like how does that even work?

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Speaker 3: No, what happens is you check the bank account and

860
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Speaker 3: you see that it's low, but you don't know where

861
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Speaker 3: it all went.

862
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Speaker 1: I mean, where's small business? I can't even run shit?

863
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Speaker 1: Like can you know they're the government?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile it's like, oh, well need am but you know

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Speaker 2: that'll take years, and we're low on this and that

867
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Speaker 2: radar system is defunct, and.

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Speaker 4: What has happened.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it really speaks to the way that we

870
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Speaker 2: have outsourced all of this to these grifting military industrial

871
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Speaker 2: complex defense contractors. They jack up the price on everything.

872
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Speaker 2: We're completely beholden to them. There's an absolute revolving door

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Speaker 2: between the Pentagon and between industry. No one has any

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Speaker 2: incentive to do anything intelligently or any cost effective way. Meanwhile,

875
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Speaker 2: iron is churning out their Shaha drones at low cost,

876
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Speaker 2: like there's no tomorrow. They actually, as a middle income country,

877
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: have maintained their industrial base, so they're able to do

878
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: that and spin up production.

879
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: No problem.

880
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: Here we are the supposed superpower, and there's no equivalent

881
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: ability to you know, turn flip a switch and in

882
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: anything approaching a cost effective manner spin these things up.

883
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: So it's I mean, it's just a complete indictment of

884
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: the entire system that.

885
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: We have constructed.

886
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: And Rubio has the gall to come out and be like, oh,

887
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: the Iranians are spending all their money on their military rather.

888
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: Than helping their people.

889
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: First of all, we're attacking them, so they're under existential threat.

890
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: I imagine their people right now are quite an understanding

891
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: of why the military budget needs to be upped a

892
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: little bit while they're directly at war with US and

893
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: with Israel and by the way, everybody else in the region,

894
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: who you know these attacks are being launched from. Second

895
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: of all, look at our country. Trump literally came out

896
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 2: and said, well, we can't have nice things because we

897
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: got to spend all this money on our military. Like,

898
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: this is what you're doing, one point five trillion, and

899
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 2: it's the greatest threat to our country. If we don't

900
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: hand all of that overti.

901
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: And one point or a trillion for what what will

902
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: it get us? Right?

903
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: Communitions, because that's what they always say, more money. Where's

904
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: the bullets? The bullets don't exist. It's like, where's the

905
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: Tomahawk missiles? Oh, that'll be six years. Sorry, didn't remember

906
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: I covered the story how Japan. So we went to

907
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: Japan and we shook them down. We're like, hey, you

908
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 3: guys got to buy some tomahawks. The Japanese are like, okay,

909
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: we'll buy some. Here's our money, here's the order. And

910
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 3: then you know what happened. We launched the Iran War

911
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: and we're like, yeah, you're gonna have to wait a

912
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 3: few years for those Tomahawk missiles if they come at

913
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 3: all sometime in the future. That's a one minuscule example.

914
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: And this whole supply chain, it's a nightmare. From the

915
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: Tomahawk missiles. I was talking to you guys privately about

916
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: gun cotton. There's one one factory in the whole United

917
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: States makes guncotton. It's one of the most critical inputs

918
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: for these artillery sheds. One it's in Radford, Virginia. If

919
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: it goes on fire, which is literally a highly flammable substance,

920
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: good luck, we're out. And so is half a NATO,

921
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: where they import forty something percent of their gun cotton

922
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: also comes from that same factory.

923
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do?

924
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: And there's no modernization, there's no actual like efficiency. You're

925
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 3: talking about the shot head drone and cost twenty thousand

926
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 3: to one hundred thousand a pop. Something like these Tomawk

927
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: missiles four five million, you know, and they have to

928
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: be built at one factory in Arizona. Where is the

929
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 3: money going for what purpose? And how like no other

930
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: And not to say government is a business, but the

931
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: sheer like even attempt at trying to have some level

932
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 3: of efficiency. And then if you're going to say that

933
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: we're running like the government, we should make it hardened

934
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: as in not very vulnerable to potential disasters or problems

935
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: like a fire. I don't know at one factory, which

936
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: is deeply critical. If they don't even do that, you know,

937
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: all they're doing is covering up all of the problems

938
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: that exist in these gigantic boondoggles, and all of us

939
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: are the ones who are paying for the It only

940
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: goes exponential in terms of the cost.

941
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: That's what's so staggering.

942
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: When you compare the Afghan conflict to this one, You're like,

943
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: how did you how did you accomplish the boondoggle that

944
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: we all saw in the withdrawal in just one hundred

945
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: day period.

946
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: It's genuinely stunning.

947
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: One Tomahawk missile, single missile, eighteen to twenty four months

948
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: from the moment.

949
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: Trying to say two years.

950
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: People who listen like they think I'm exaggerating, If anything,

951
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm underplaying it, like you need to go all of this,

952
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 3: this is what they're trying to do.

953
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: They're actually stopping.

954
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 3: Like I said earlier, the release of these open source

955
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: documents on Fadye on Tomahawk. People accuse me of saying,

956
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: how would you know the stockpile?

957
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 5: I go.

958
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Luckily, we actually have Congress which is mandated. You just

959
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: have to release the report. You don't know the exact number,

960
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 3: but based on a general estimate, you can do plus

961
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 3: or minus five to ten percent.

962
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: We actually do know a lot of this.

963
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: Stuff has been highlighted in the open source environment. So yeah,

964
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 3: almost sixty to eighty percent of the thads are gone gone.

965
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: I mean it will take five years at a minimum

966
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: just to replace that. And we continue to fire today.

967
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,479
Speaker 3: I mean the actual cost of one actual costs estmen

968
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 3: of the first sixty days of the war was eighty

969
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: two billion.

970
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: That was forty days ago.

971
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: You know, it's like when you start to put all

972
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: this stuff together, it's nuts. There's no accountability in our government.

973
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 3: And just to you know, continue this here we have

974
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: Mike Waltz getting grilled by Ted lu who is you know,

975
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: also trying to underplay the amount of people who've now

976
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: been killed in the Iran War.

977
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

978
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 11: How many American troops have been killed in the Ran

979
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 11: war in these ongoing operations?

980
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 5: Eighteen?

981
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 11: Okay, now, President Trump has pealy stated that Iran's military

982
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 11: was obliterated. On March sixteenth, President Trump stated that Iran's

983
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 11: military was quote literally obliterated end quote. How is it

984
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 11: possible that four hundred and eighty two American strewers have

985
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 11: been wounded and eighteen service members killed by an Iranian

986
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 11: military that's been purportedly obliterated. The Iranian Navy, air Force,

987
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 11: air defense system, and industrial capacity have been massively damaged,

988
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 11: if not completely ineffective. But this is a state that

989
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 11: is trying to reconstitute. This is a state a regime

990
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 11: that is obsessed with the nuclear weapon, and it's a

991
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 11: regime that still maintains some missile and drone capability that

992
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 11: it's firing on all of its neighbors, including our basis.

993
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 11: I think that's a pretty common sense evaluation. But if

994
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 11: I need to explain it to you further, I can

995
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 11: you need to explain to American people how any run

996
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 11: and military that's been purportedly obliterated killed eighteen year service

997
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 11: members and wounded for me eighty as you know, let

998
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 11: me finished.

999
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: So there you go.

1000
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: Died in a plane crash. They died in a plane crash.

1001
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: First of all, that plane crash. Yeah, there's a lot

1002
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: of questions about that one in terms of what they claim.

1003
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: Also, where are those pilots? Anybody's seen them? Here are pilots?

1004
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: Weird?

1005
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: In a few months, you know, there was there was

1006
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: another hot exchange between them where lou asked him, you

1007
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: know how many US troops have been wounded in Iran?

1008
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 2: And Walt it's like maybe around one hundred. It's like, no,

1009
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: it's four hundred and eighty two. How do you not

1010
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: know that? And I mean it is It is utterly disgraceful,

1011
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: And so obviously he's getting caught there in the fact

1012
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: that Trump is constantly making these grandiose pronouncements about how

1013
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: they're obliterated and we won the war, and their nuclear

1014
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: program is obliterated and all of these things. Well, if

1015
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: the nuclear programs obliterated, why are we now getting all

1016
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: this propaganda about Pick Mountain? If the nuclear program was obliterated,

1017
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: why did we do this war in the first place.

1018
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: If the Irani military's obliterated, how are they still able

1019
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: to kill our service members, take on our radars, and

1020
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: redestruction across the entire region. So, you know, sometimes sometimes

1021
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: Trump's lies do meet with reality in a way that

1022
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: becomes somewhat undeniable.

1023
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true.

1024
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: And last thing, I just want to flag this for everybody,

1025
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: B six, This would be an insane thing, and it

1026
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 3: looks like it's going to happen. Trump is now saying

1027
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: that Republicans should add Iran to the Russia sanctions bill.

1028
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: For those who of you who don't know, the entire

1029
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: Congress is currently united in honoring Lindsay Graham by putting

1030
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: these massive sanctions on the Russian economy, so called secondary sanctions,

1031
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 3: and now they want to add Iran, per Trump, and

1032
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: in the honor of the great Lindsay Graham, who would

1033
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: have wanted this. So what this piece of legislation would

1034
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: do is it would be even more of an economic

1035
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: declaration of war on the Russian economy. You can you know,

1036
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: support that, not support that, I can tell you it

1037
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: all certainly will continue to send price is higher because

1038
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: that's the way that they're mostly funding their economy. And

1039
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 3: it also in terms of the Iranian economy. It would

1040
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 3: also give Trump massive presidential and discretionary power to use

1041
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 3: the same type of national security authority he originally imposed

1042
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: his original Tarissan so it's not really just about Russia,

1043
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: and it's not just about Iran. Really, what they're doing

1044
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: is passing one of the most neoconservative pieces of legislation

1045
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: ever forward in the name of national security or Ukrainian

1046
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 3: democracy or whatever, adding Iran in there, and it would

1047
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: absolutely cripple even more of the black market oil which

1048
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 3: is currently on the market. You may say that, oh,

1049
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: that's a good thing, but of course, coming at this

1050
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 3: current time, it gives Trump more extraordinary powers and would

1051
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 3: further hurt actually and probably drive oil prices even higher.

1052
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 3: So if that's something that you want, then I guess

1053
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: that's something that you should support. So that was the

1054
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 3: last thing I just wanted to put on everybody's radar.

1055
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: It's very, very underplayed in Washington because the whole neocon

1056
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 3: media supports it. But it's a terrible piece of legislation

1057
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: that they didn't want to pass originally because they knew

1058
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 3: it would genuinely leave us no negotiating options whenever it

1059
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: came to the Kremlin. And yet, of course, in honor

1060
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 3: of lindsay, that's what we all have to do, all right,

1061
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 3: Let's get to the polls.