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Speaker 1: Wow, what is up? Welcome to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's made your Man, nam G.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Grand still masking and socially distancing and on the

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Speaker 1: list for the shot. We have been doing this for

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Speaker 1: more than a year. I have an appointment, so I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited about that. I am also super excited about

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Speaker 1: our show today. As normal, we have our producer Steve,

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Speaker 1: who's hanging out with us. Uh and as we continue

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Speaker 1: our pre draft preview, uh Matt Okata is back again.

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Speaker 1: Last week we talked quarterbacks and tie it in. Today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk running backs, and then next week we're

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Speaker 1: gonna start a two parts set on wide receivers. But Matti,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun last week. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: as beefy this week, but I'm hoping we have just

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Speaker 1: as much fun. Yeah, I mean, these are these are

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Speaker 1: arguably the most important players for fantasy. The running backs

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Speaker 1: are crucial. So even if there's you know, the we

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Speaker 1: we did we did two positions last week, so to

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. So we're gonna talk about a few of

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Speaker 1: about some of the other guys that you might see

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Speaker 1: off the board as well. But first, yesterday, that being Monday,

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman UH announced his retirement from the NFL. UH

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Speaker 1: He had like waved with a failed physical designation I believe,

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Speaker 1: and then to sort of use that as the opportunity

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Speaker 1: was certainly a big part of their success, especially over

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Speaker 1: the last decade or so, and it begged the question

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Speaker 1: to me, I always like to look at some guys

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Speaker 1: they make it into the Fantasy Hall of Fame. And

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Speaker 1: that was originally going to be the question I asked you,

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Speaker 1: But then you and fired off kind of a hear

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Speaker 1: I gotta kind of change this all right, Uh, If

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Speaker 1: you don't follow Matt you should, by the way, Matt

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Speaker 1: Okada on Twitter, and I'm gonna read it here hot

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Speaker 1: and apparently irreconcilable take incoming. You can believe Julian Edelman

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Speaker 1: doesn't have anything close to a Hall of Fame resume

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Speaker 1: in regular seasons alone, and that his postseason resume and

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Speaker 1: impact catapult him well into the conversation for post first

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Speaker 1: You're telling me that Julian Edelman hall of famer. M Um, well,

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Speaker 1: I would I would try to play plead the fifth

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Speaker 1: here and go with a well, I just said consideration thing.

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Speaker 1: But if you're asking me that question, I'm honestly gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you my honest answer, which is yes, I do

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Speaker 1: believe by no means a first ballot Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's one of those guys who makes it in

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Speaker 1: well down the line in a year where there's not

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Speaker 1: tweeted is basically the case everybody, every time that Julian

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Speaker 1: Edelman came up in a is a time firm to retire?

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Speaker 1: Or did he have a great Super Bowl? Should we

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Speaker 1: talk about the Hall of Famer. Now everyone says, well,

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Speaker 1: look at his stats. He's clearly not a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: not even close. There are running backs and tons of

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Speaker 1: in the postseason there's one player, one player Marcus, that

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Speaker 1: and his name is Jerry Rice. He's the only guy.

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Speaker 1: And besides the overall stats in the postseason, just the

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Speaker 1: Bowl moments of all time, in arguably the greatest Super

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Speaker 1: for decades. This guy was a crucial and impactful piece

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Speaker 1: Wes Welker is not the right comparison for Julian Edelman.

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning is the right comparison for Julian Edelman. Now,

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Speaker 1: I edited about three hundred of them myself. Um. He

430
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Speaker 1: he gave a Kareem Hunt camp there. And I don't

431
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Speaker 1: really get too much into into NFL player comps. I

432
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: think it's it's very subjective and I think it's really

433
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Speaker 1: hard to sort of pin down. But the reason that

434
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: one caught my eye and why I sort of gravitated

435
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: towards that one is I remember watching Kareem Hunt at

436
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: Toledo and and thinking to myself, Okay, this guy isn't

437
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: necessarily great at one particular thing, but he's really good

438
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 1: at a lot of different things. And that's what I

439
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: came away with watching Javonte Williams. That Does that seem fair?

440
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 1: Does that seem accurate to you? Yeah? I think that

441
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 1: is the best part of this comp. And I think

442
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: this comp is pretty solid. Amusingly, the guy that I

443
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 1: actually comp him to, Javonte Williams more commonly is kind

444
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: of a slightly smaller Nick Chubb, who is Kareem Hunt's

445
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 1: teaming But the thing that's really solid about the Hunt comp,

446
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: like you just said, is the completeness of these players

447
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 1: as running backs. There is no doubt in my mind

448
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: that Javonte Williams is the most complete running back in

449
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Speaker 1: this class. Might Etn or Harris have better abilities in

450
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: certain areas, absolutely, Might they be drafted higher, certainly, Might

451
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: they be better fantasy backs maybe, But Javonte Williams is

452
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: the most complete back without a doubt in my opinion,

453
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: and Kareem Hunty is one of the most complete backs

454
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think highly underrated, and we saw

455
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Speaker 1: what he did when he got one full season as

456
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Speaker 1: a feature back. For some reason, he's been forcing the

457
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: committees kind of ever since. But when he had a

458
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Speaker 1: full season and as a as a rookie, by the way,

459
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred scrimmage yards and eleven touchdowns, it was pretty nice.

460
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Speaker 1: So I do like I think Javonte can maybe you

461
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: can be better in the situation for a dynasty career.

462
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: A lot of ha with what Cream Hunt has kind

463
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: of gone through from a landing spot standpoint and using.

464
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I I said I he was one of

465
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Speaker 1: those guys that that really just kind of jumped off

466
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Speaker 1: the screen. Uh. Again, when I was watching somebody completely different,

467
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but notice Javonte Williams whenever he had

468
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: the football in his hands. Um, So I takes us

469
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Speaker 1: to Travis E. T N who was your number two

470
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Speaker 1: amongst this group. Uh. And look, if you want to

471
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Speaker 1: go back and watch the video that we did a

472
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 1: couple of weeks back, you go into a kind of

473
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Speaker 1: a really good long breakdown on on his strengths and

474
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Speaker 1: his weaknesses. One of the things you talked about was

475
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Speaker 1: that he probably will need to land in a spot

476
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Speaker 1: where they can block and open holes for him, or

477
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Speaker 1: at least find some way to get him in space

478
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: so that he can use that game breaking speed. Um,

479
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: is that gonna be maker? Brent Is is the Teeney

480
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: lands with going to make or break what his production

481
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Speaker 1: can be at the next level. I don't know if

482
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: it will quite make or break in the sense that

483
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: I think he's good enough and a good enough prospect

484
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: that he can still succeed in a situation that's not ideal.

485
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I, like I would say

486
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Speaker 1: he'd be a bust. For example, if he went to

487
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: a poor situation like maybe New York or maybe Pittsburgh

488
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: based on what we saw last year, or New England

489
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: or somewhere like that. Um, I'm not sure if any

490
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: of those guys will draft in this hide. But however,

491
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Speaker 1: what it does for the make side of that question

492
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: is crucial, and the upside he can reach in the

493
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Speaker 1: ideal situation is massive. So the gap between what if

494
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Speaker 1: he goes to a great landing spot with a great

495
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Speaker 1: offensive line and a great scheme and what if he

496
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Speaker 1: goes somewhere not as ideal where he has to try

497
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Speaker 1: to create on his own which is not very good

498
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Speaker 1: at The gap is very, very wide. I think it's

499
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Speaker 1: more of a gap between like maybe an RB two

500
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: RB three on a yearly basis versus a top five

501
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: back on a yearly basis than it is will will

502
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: he be successful or will he just be a complete bust?

503
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: So that's kind of the difference that I see and

504
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: where he goes and what that means for his value.

505
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: When people talk about him, they talk about obviously the

506
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: past catching ability, they talk about the speed, and when

507
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: I watched him, I do feel like he won more

508
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: with speed then with power. But do you think you know,

509
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Speaker 1: if it came down but if they needed if a

510
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: team needs him to be between the tackles guy or

511
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: a short guardage goal line guy, can't he do that

512
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Speaker 1: or is that just not part of his game? Do

513
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Speaker 1: you think he can do it? Not as well as

514
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these other guys that we're gonna talk about,

515
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: even some of the guys lower on the list. Um.

516
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: An interesting thing about E. T And that I saw

517
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Speaker 1: in terms of like his tackle breaking ability is if

518
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: he's running straight into a guy, it was pretty bad.

519
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: He actually does. He did this weird thing in college

520
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: where he kind of turned and backed into them, and

521
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: it was it was not productive. But if you try

522
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: to if you tried to tackle him from the side

523
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: or from behind, he was one of the best in

524
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Speaker 1: the class. It was this really odd phenomenon with E.

525
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: T N. So that's something that at the goal line

526
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: could be a problem because everybody's in front of you

527
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: and right there in front of you. Um, and there's

528
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: some other guys in the class we'll talk about who

529
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: I think will be much higher touchdown upside guys. E

530
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: t N is likely to be most successful by putting

531
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Speaker 1: up four rushing yards and six hundred receiving yards things

532
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: like that. If he's gonna, ever, you know, break out

533
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: into huge numbers. I feel like he's the guy that

534
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I said this all the time. We live

535
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: in a PPR world, right and and he's the guy

536
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: that is right now being noted mostly out of this

537
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: class for his pass catching ability. So I think in

538
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: that respect that will certainly give him some opportunities. I

539
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: think it's going to make him very popular. Um, certainly

540
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 1: in dynasty drafts, but I think just done a lot

541
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: of redraft leagues as well. Knowing how well he can

542
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: catch the ball Um and and expecting that wherever he goes,

543
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: he's going to get plenty of opportunities to do that.

544
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I'm definitely keeping an eye on

545
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: for for E. T. N. So UH. Now surround out

546
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Speaker 1: the big three with Naggi, Harry Us who wants to

547
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: remind you that it is Nagy that naj Harris. I believe.

548
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: He told our James Palmer that during Pro Days a

549
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. So just a pro tip for

550
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: all of you out there. UM. Last week, when we

551
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: talked about quarterbacks, we talked about Mac Jones, and I

552
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: went through the list of just the top match receivers

553
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: that have come out of Alabama just in the last decade.

554
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: You can kind of put together a similar list of

555
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: running backs, especially in the last five years. I went

556
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: back through UH and guys who have made it to

557
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: the NFL and and made an impact, Josh Jacobs, Damien Harris, Derrick,

558
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Henry Kenyan Drake. This is all since if you want

559
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: to go back further, you can get into the mark

560
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Ingram's and and that sort of thing. The Eddie Lacey's

561
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: of the world, which his name I hadn't thought about

562
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: in a long time. But those are some of the guys.

563
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: Who else was it? Um, Trent Richardson another one. And

564
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: when when I look at the list, I'm like, oh, yeah,

565
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I remember that guy. Um, but just just went back

566
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: the last five years, right that Jacobs, Harris, Henry Drake group. Um.

567
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: When you look at Nagy Harris, where does he compare?

568
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: How does he compare amongst that group? Pretty well? Pretty well?

569
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I think if I have to kind of rank them,

570
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: he falls behind Derrick Henry but ahead of everybody else.

571
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: And I will say he's probably a little closer to

572
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs than he is to a Derrick Henry in

573
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: terms of what I expect. But it's useful to remember,

574
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: like Josh Jacobs was not the feature back. He actually

575
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: split time with another guy we just mentioned who has

576
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: not been a successful at the NFL level, and Damian Harris.

577
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Yet at least um, he was nowhere near the prospect

578
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: from at least from production standpoint that Nagy or Derrick

579
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 1: Henry were. So it was a risky pick when he

580
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: was drafted. Josh Jacobs, that is, Nagy Harris will not

581
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: be at risk. He's a pick. He's a very very

582
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: solid prospect that everybody knows is good and there's not

583
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: gonna be many question marks with him. Um, so he's

584
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: he's up there on that list. I don't think he's

585
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: near Derrick Henry in terms of potential necessarily based on

586
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: what we've seen from Henry. But that's a extremely tall bar. So,

587
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, not saying too much negative about anology to

588
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: say that. I mean, look, I feel like comparing anyone

589
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: to Derrick Henry is just not fair. Um. I've I've

590
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: told this story probably a number of times, and I

591
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: always kind of enjoyed telling it. But the year Derrick

592
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: Henry was draft eligible, Um, he came out to Los Angeles,

593
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: he was on total access. He did a tour of

594
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: the newsroom and uh walked past a bunch of our

595
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: desks as there was he getting a tour, And I

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: knew who he was. I recognized him. I I knew

597
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: who he was. But if you had come up to

598
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Speaker 1: me and told me that he was a pass rushing

599
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: defensive vent, I would have said, okay, all right, that

600
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: that that makes sense. I mean, he is a mountain

601
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: of a man. It's a physical specimen. And I would

602
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: imagine that if I were a you know, I were

603
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: a defensive back, a smaller person and trying to tackle him. Um.

604
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: I understand why guys make business decisions, That's all I'm saying.

605
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: And so to compare, to compare anybody to that guy,

606
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: uh is sort of unfair because he really is that

607
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: big and strong and physical and has speed on top

608
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: of it. Um he is. He's kind of a freak

609
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: of nature. Derrick Henry is. Uh. But back to Maggie Harris, Um,

610
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: he kind of took offense recently with some some draft

611
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: analysts out there who which sounded like a compliment in

612
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: a lot of respects. He took offense to uh. The the

613
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: the statement being, um, he is an improved pass catcher

614
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: over his previous years at Alabama, and he kind of

615
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: bristled saying, look, I don't appreciate that when it's sort

616
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: of suggests that I couldn't. Uh. It's it's just a

617
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: thing that I wasn't asked to do. Um for your money?

618
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you confident in his his abilities as

619
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: a pass catcher. Yes, I think I would actually side

620
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: a little more with Naji than then with that kind

621
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: of uh scouting note um to me from the tape,

622
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: regardless of the production, which was very good last year

623
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: UM and the year before that. Actually he looks great.

624
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: My my, My actual notes in my scouting notes for

625
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: him on this subject say excellent hands as a pass

626
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: catcher and very good route runner. That for a running

627
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: back to have that, in my notes is very very solid.

628
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: He's going to be, in my opinion, a strong asset

629
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: for a passing game. Now, I will say, because I

630
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: brought it up earlier with the blocking, I did not

631
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: like the pass blocking that I Nagy Harris on tape.

632
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: There are some other guys will talk about where I

633
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: was incredibly impressed and it launched their um their stock.

634
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: In my opinion, as a prospect up this board, I

635
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: think there's a good chance that Naji Harris has kept

636
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: off the field on third down by what I saw

637
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: in his pass blocking ability. Now, maybe he can improve

638
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: on that, but you know, he's a big guy who

639
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: should be able to dominate as a blocker, and I

640
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: did not see it, So that's a little bit concerning

641
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: for me. I still think he can be a fifty

642
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: catch guy at the NFL level per season, which is great,

643
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: and we'll put him in RB one consideration. You know,

644
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: as long as he's got good rushing production pretty easily.

645
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: But I think there's a good chance we don't see

646
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: him necessarily in the same conversation as like an et

647
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: N or guys in the NFL that we talked about

648
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: like a camera or a McCaffrey, or even the sake

649
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley, where their pass catching is consistent and constant

650
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: and we see them as you know, eighty to ninety

651
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: catch guys, Does it worry you at all? I mean

652
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: that the one knock on him is that he doesn't

653
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: really seem to have home run speed, although when I

654
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: watch him, I feel like I feel like he's faster

655
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: than he looks. I don't know if that's something that

656
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: the team motiv that does that bother you at all. Um,

657
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: I think that the faster than he looks in can

658
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: be a little bit fair. Part of that might come

659
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: from his size, because it's surprising to see someone that big,

660
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: like when we watch Derrick Henry run as fast as

661
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: he does and doesn't make sense. So there's a little

662
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: bit of that. I think that's fair. I will say

663
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't think that he has the top end speed

664
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and explosiveness that I would like to see in a

665
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: top five running back, necessarily from a fantasy perspective or

666
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: from a couple of the other guys that will talk

667
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: about on this list. He's well below Travisy et n

668
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: in that category, and below a couple other guys that

669
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: will mention later. Is it it um a prospect breaker?

670
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Is he gonna be a bust because of it? Absolutely not.

671
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: He's way too good at everything else that he does

672
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: and he'll be very successful doing those things. Does it

673
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: limit his upside? Probably yes. In my opinion, I think

674
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a guy who almost always gets four yards,

675
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: which is very, very solid and rare in the NFL.

676
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: But he maybe never gets forty yards, which is not

677
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: as common. So it's not a huge deal, but it

678
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: will limit his upside a little bit. Um. One thing

679
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention to you talk about you know

680
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: him as a pass catcher. And I say this all

681
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the time just because a guy has never been asked

682
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: to do something doesn't mean he can't do it. Um.

683
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back as recently as last year with

684
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor, right, everybody says, well, he can't catch the football,

685
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, we don't know that. They just

686
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: Wisconsin's offense was not set up to throw the football

687
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: to their running backs. We don't know. And I think

688
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: we saw by the end of his workie year in

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Indianapolis that Jonathan Tylor can catch the football a little bit.

690
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: So Um, I would also kind of apply that maybe

691
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: to Nagy Harris. We talk about his past catching abilities,

692
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: all right, So that takes us out of the big

693
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: three right there. Um. For amongst those guys, though, who

694
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: do you feel like has the highest ceiling and is

695
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: that dependent on potentially where each of them lands? This

696
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: is a really tough one for me. Um. First fall,

697
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: it is very dependent, and generally, when we're talking about

698
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: running backs, it's the most landing spot dependent fantasy position

699
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: by far in the NFL. So when you're looking at

700
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: these guys and where they go that that matters a lot,

701
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: even if we're talking about them as great prospects here

702
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: and when they go, man, there's a lot too. If

703
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, if Javonte Williams falls for some reason to

704
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the fourth round and goes to I don't know, Baltimore,

705
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be which is a very good scheme, but

706
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: he'll be third or fourth in the depth chart. It's

707
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: not gonna feel great, and it's gonna matter a lot

708
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: in terms of ceiling though. For these three guys, it's

709
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: really close for me between Javonte Williams and Travisy E

710
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: t N. But I will lean towards E t N

711
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: because if he goes to the ideal situation, I think

712
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: he can be a perennial top five fantasy running back

713
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: given his big playability and his past catching ability. Those

714
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: two together, that combination is what I see in the

715
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: top five pretty consistently these days in the NFL, except

716
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: for Derrick Henry. Here he does whatever you want. But

717
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for that when I'm scouting these guys

718
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: because no one else pretty much is Derrick Henry, So

719
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: I'll lean E t N. Javonte Williams is very very

720
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: close there, and the landing spot does matter a lot

721
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: to who will be the highest ceiling guy. So I'm

722
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: trying to think of a good why. I know, our

723
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: our pal Maurice Jones Drew mocked him to the Jets,

724
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: and uh he admitted to me that he did it

725
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: purely for fantasy reasons, because look, I mean, if something

726
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: else there's opportunity there, right, we know that for a

727
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: fact that there's opportunity there. In New York, there's a

728
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: new coaching staff. Maybe they've turned over a new leaf. Um,

729
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: I see you shaking your head. I'm guessing you're not

730
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: completely onboard with travct into the Jets right now. I'll

731
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: say this New York has the ability to surprise. I

732
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: think they could be sneaky good. You know they're going

733
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: to get their quarterback at two. They have a whole

734
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: new coaching scheme, and Adam Gaze was been a large

735
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: part of the problems there, so that could help a lot.

736
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: But if we're talking a place that I feel more

737
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: confident in, I would lean towards maybe somewhere like Miami,

738
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: maybe somewhere like San Francisco. If he goes to the

739
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: forty Niners and Shanahan makes him more of the lead

740
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 1: back than he has recently, that could be huge. Now, granted,

741
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: he's likes to play committee largely, so we don't know

742
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: if that would happen, but et And would probably the

743
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: best back he has had maybe ever. Um, maybe somewhere

744
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: like Tampa Bay would also be solid. Anywhere, but the

745
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: main problem with the Jets. In my opinion is that

746
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 1: I don't think that offense is going to be very good,

747
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: very quick, and Etn is a running back who if

748
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: you have a good offense overall and a good passing

749
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: game that can open up space and move the defense back,

750
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: that's where he can really take advantage and make you

751
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: look bad on defense. So I'd like him to go

752
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: to a better team overall. Yeah, I worry about Tampa.

753
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: It just feels like it's getting crowded back there. Um

754
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: right now, Miami is interesting because I feel I feel

755
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: like every mock or every projection, um, and maybe this

756
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: those fantasy types just being greedy again. But um, I

757
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: think we've always suggested one of these big three running

758
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: backs going to Miami and uh in depending on who

759
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: you ask, it's it's a different one. But the point

760
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: is they have opportunity available there. And I keep saying it.

761
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: Last year they were essentially a one back offense. Whoever

762
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: their starter was for that given week was the guy

763
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: who got most of the work. So, UM, I think

764
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: if they continue that, whichever one of these guys, if

765
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: they go to the Dolphins essentially is in a really

766
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: good spot. And what is it an an emerging on

767
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: an emerging team and what could be a kind of

768
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: a fun offense, especially if to a tongue of violoa

769
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: takes a step forward. Um, all right, so now looking

770
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: at the next to you, we have we know who

771
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: your top three are? Uh, four through tin? What? What?

772
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: What is your list through the rest of the because

773
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: I feel like after the top ten, I don't know

774
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: how much value there's going to be, uh fantasy wise,

775
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: So let's go fourth through tin. How do you have

776
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: them ranked? Yeah? Probably not much at all, is the

777
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: answer to that question. Um, I'll hit the names, uh

778
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: speed style, and then we can we can jump in

779
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: any of them if you want. But technically my four

780
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: is actually my two. Michael Carter. Yeah, Michael Carter out

781
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: of North Carolina, the other North Carolina guy we mentioned earlier.

782
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: I actually have him at two from a prospect scouting standpoint. Now,

783
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: there's there's a very good chance that Naji Harrison travisy

784
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: at Diango two or three rounds higher than him, and

785
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: that may mean that after the draft my rookie running

786
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: back rankings changed significantly. But right now I love Michael Carter.

787
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: He's technically too, but we'll call him four, and then

788
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: after that there's a's a big tier break, and then

789
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: but after that it goes Kylan Hill out of Mississippi State,

790
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Trace Sermon out of Ohio State, and there's another pretty

791
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: big tier break, actually a massive tier break. And then

792
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: there's kind of a little clump of guys that I'm

793
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: not super excited about, but could all do something solid

794
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL given some of their skill sets, and

795
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: that's rom Andre Stevenson out of Oklahoma, Kenneth gained a

796
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: lot of Memphis, Chuba Hubbard out of Oklahoma State, and

797
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: Jerry Patterson out of Buffalo. So that rounds out kind

798
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: of the top ten. Well, let's start. Let's start with

799
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Michael Carter. Just because you are so high on him, um,

800
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: I mean, talk to me about what what you feel

801
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: like he does well and what what you know, what

802
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: you think is ceiling could be at the NFL level. Okay,

803
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: What he does well and when I say well, I

804
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: mean better than anyone in this class probably and arguably

805
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: better than most of the running backs I've looked watched

806
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL is his second level rushing ability. So

807
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: for context, what that means for the listeners, your ability

808
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: behind the line to find the whole. I talked about

809
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: this earlier with vision to get past the line of

810
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: scrimmage and start running down field. That's that kind of

811
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: first level, when you get past the line and you're

812
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: into what we call the second level, and now you're

813
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: dealing with linebackers and dbs. Even Michael Carter is a terror.

814
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: He has increb elite burst, absolutely incredible acceleration downfield. But

815
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: probably probably his most interesting strength, in my opinion, is

816
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: his downfield vision. He has this uncanny ability when he's

817
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 1: at that second level to take the ang rules and

818
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: make the moves two just make a hot mess of

819
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: whatever defense is left at that level. And then and

820
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: you'll just watch them taking an angle to catch him,

821
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: realizing their nowhere close and awkwardly spinning and falling on

822
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: their butts while he runs past him for a touchdown.

823
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: He's absolutely unbelievable once he gets past the line, and

824
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: he's got plenty of other strength to like, That's not

825
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: all that he does, but that's what makes him so unbelievable.

826
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: My kind of camp for now is Aaron Jones, which

827
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: is a pretty high praise. Aaron Jones has that similar

828
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: ability at the second level to just absolutely blow you away. Um,

829
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: I think there's a very good chance of Michael Carter

830
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: if he gets let's say Day two draft capital second

831
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: or third round. But even if he goes on day

832
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: four or day three, maybe round four to a good team.

833
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: I think Michael Carter has RB one upside. So I

834
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: really really like him. How is it that he so

835
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: far down everybody's I mean that shouldn't say so far down.

836
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean I think most people have him for so

837
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: he's not liking off the radar, but it just seems

838
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: like there's um, well outside that tier. Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

839
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of it comes from

840
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he split work. And when I mentioned

841
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: why I'm not concerned with Javonte Williams and him splitting

842
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: that work, I mentioned one of the main things there

843
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: is his size, because he has that prototypical size. Michael

844
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: Carter is five eight, so he does not have that

845
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: size that helps you feel confident overcoming that lower carried count.

846
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: So there is that as as a pretty significant drawback,

847
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: and that's I think part of the for a large

848
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason why he doesn't get as much hype.

849
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: I want to mention Chuba Hubbard only because I just

850
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: like saying Chuba Hubbard. It's just a frightening to say. Um,

851
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: But I really want to ask you about was with

852
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: Kenny Gainewell, who I feel like there is a a

853
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: small but kind of intense hive forming for Kenny Gainewell

854
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: in draft Twitter and and Memphis has done a really

855
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: good job. I want to say, put out. A ton

856
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: of players are a ton of running backs, but it

857
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: feels like the guys who come out generally tend to

858
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: do pretty well. Obviously, Antonio Gibson is sort of the

859
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: latest example. I guess he wasn't technically running back at Memphis,

860
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: but he had running back like tendencies. Um, talk to

861
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: me about what what it is you like about about

862
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Kenneth game one Well. What I like most and what

863
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: most people will touch on first, is his ability as

864
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: a receiver. What I saw best with game Well, though

865
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: it's not like hands or the natural pass catching ability

866
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: that I kind of hit on earlier, it was his

867
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: route running. I think he's an extremely talented route runner

868
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: and that's why he was a fifty one catch guy

869
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: the last time he played in He's probably one of

870
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: the best receiving running backs just in terms of his

871
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: receiving ability in this class because of that, So that

872
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: will elevate him and his ability to contribute at the

873
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: NFL level for sure. I didn't see too much else

874
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: that I loved. He doesn't really create well for himself.

875
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: He kind of needs to be schemed into open space,

876
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: and while he's very good once he gets there, that

877
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a drawback. Um, he has

878
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: the miss tackle ability that I talked about, but does

879
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: not have the break tackle ability that I talked about.

880
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: So he's got that agility, but he's not a strong

881
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have that contact balance in my opinion,

882
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: in a way a lot of these other running backs do.

883
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: So maybe he becomes like a Duke Johnson kind of guy,

884
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: where he has some really good fantasy seasons, but most

885
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: of it as is as a receiver, and people often

886
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: talk about is here a running back or is he

887
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: really a slow receiver? Maybe that's what we see with

888
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: Kenneth Gaine. Well, UM, I think he could be pretty decent.

889
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this a little bit with

890
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks and the tight ends last year. Last week. Um,

891
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: doesn't bother you at all that he you know, we

892
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: haven't seen him since twenty nineteen. He ended up not

893
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: playing at all last year. Any any concerns about that,

894
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: Not really, um, I think that matters a little bit

895
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: more at the receiver position and a lot more at

896
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. I think at the run back. For

897
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: running backs, it's not quite as big a deal. We

898
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: even talked earlier about how less carries can be a

899
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: good thing, or less wear and tear in general can

900
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: be a good thing. And what we saw in nineteen

901
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: when he was quite young was a very very productive season.

902
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: Four rushing yards, over six hundred, receiving yards again, like

903
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: I mentioned, fifty one catches. That's why there's a pretty

904
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: good ground swell for Kenneth Gainwell because of what we

905
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: saw from him that year. All right, So looking at

906
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: at re draft leads what we can expect. I mean, obviously,

907
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: you know the top three E. T. N. Williams, Harris

908
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: all going to be drafted and re draft leagues. I

909
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: would think Michael Carter, as you mentioned, depending on the

910
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: draft capitol, what team he lands with, probably gonna get

911
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: looked at in re draft leagues. I mean anymore beyond that,

912
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 1: maybe one or two guys. It feels like it feels

913
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: like it's it's kind of those four and and maybe

914
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: some dart throws. When you talk about re draft leagues

915
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: this year, yeah, I think there's a pretty good chance

916
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: that Hubbard will go and re draft leagues. I think

917
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good chance that Trey Sermon will go

918
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: and redraft leagues. And a lot of this will have

919
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: to do with where they go in draft. I hope

920
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: Kylan Hill goes in re draft leaks because I love him,

921
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: but that's going to be very dependent on where he

922
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: goes in the NFL draft. I think it's most likely

923
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: around five to seven, the elite three Carter and then

924
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: a combo of maybe two or three of those guys

925
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: that we just talked about. My guess is that that's

926
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: what it will be, and that's what it's been in

927
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: recent years, so that would kind of be part for

928
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: the course. I mean we talked dynasty that number bumps

929
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: up to what ten, maybe ten or twelve, Okay, last

930
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: year was twelve. With a very deep wide receiver class.

931
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: This is another very deep wide receiver class. I think

932
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: the wide receiver class is quite a bit better in

933
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: depth than the running back class, although the top end

934
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: of running backs is good, so I think it's probably

935
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: gonna end up being around ten or twelve in your

936
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: rookie drafts. But after that first tier and then that

937
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: sort of second mini tier, the rest, like you mentioned,

938
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: are pretty much dart throws. UM, So you want to

939
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: try to get some of those early guys if you can.

940
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: After watching all these guys, was there a particular favorite

941
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: that you enjoyed watching more than the other I liked

942
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: a lot of them. I've mentioned a couple of times

943
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: in passing Kylan Hill I really really like watching and

944
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: he's a really underrated prospect that not anyone really is

945
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: talking about. UM. I really liked his tape for a

946
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. But if you're talking a favorite, it's

947
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: got to be Javonte Williams for me, and that's why

948
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: he's my number one running back. He is amazing to

949
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: watch on tape, the ability that he has to do everything,

950
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: and the main thing with him is I had this

951
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: consistent uh phenomenon where I'd be saying, whoa, whoa, whoa?

952
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: Why is he still going? What's going on in your

953
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: healthy in the end zone. That's the kind of the

954
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: kind of tape watching experience that I got was Javonte

955
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: william He is just consistently impressing. Um, and when you

956
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: end ups a number one running back on my prospect list,

957
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: it probably means I liked watching you on tape. So

958
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: he was my favorite. Yeah, I completely agree. He was

959
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: the guy and I haven't maybe gone as deep as

960
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: you have on some of these guys, but he was

961
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: the guy that I have enjoyed watching the most so

962
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: far without it dep Like I said, I I fell

963
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: in love with Kareem Hunt immediately watching his tape. I've

964
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: kind of done the same with Javonte Williams. Um. Yeah,

965
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see where I can maybe snag him. And

966
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: if you re draft leagues, I know that the the

967
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: asking price will be very tough in dynasty leagues. We'll see,

968
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: uh if that's possible there as well. UM. All right,

969
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: So that was it. Now next week, next weally we

970
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: really get into your wheelhouse here because I know you

971
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: are a wide receiver guy. Uh. That's part of the

972
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 1: reason we've broken this up into two shows, because Um,

973
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,959
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, it's a deep class. It is also

974
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: like I said, I know that is your that is

975
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: your stock in trade is is talking about wide receivers.

976
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: So starting next week, as the kids say, it gets real.

977
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Um so so looking forward to that. That That should be

978
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fun next week. I think, yeah, absolutely,

979
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: that the guys at the top are gonna be incredibly

980
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: fun to talk about because of how elite they are,

981
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: and the depth will get to on the second episode

982
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: is just crazy that there's that many good receivers still there.

983
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a fun two weeks. Absolutely looking

984
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: forward to it. So in the meantime for us, that

985
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: is it. We are done. We appreciate you hanging out

986
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: with the NFL Fantasy Football show. You know the drill.

987
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,800
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988
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,800
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989
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00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:16,440
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