1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are rolling through 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: the third hour of the program, Tuesday edition. Sator Ran 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Paul just had to reach out. He has had a 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: last minute issue come up on Capitol Hill. He's going 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: to try to join us at the bottom of this hour. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Just FYI will take some of your calls and continue 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: to break down everything that is moving rapidly in the 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: world as we are rolling today. I did want to 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: mention I know we talked a little bit about this 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: buck yesterday, Trump announced a idea for tariffs for movies 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: and it has provoked a ton of response. And I 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: think this is very interesting, the idea, and I actually 14 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: don't dislike it, and let me explain why in a 15 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: little bit more detail. Interestingly, there was an article that 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: came out I think it was in the New York 17 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Time and I'm betting Trump read it, and it was 18 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: an article or his staff read it. It was an 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: article that dealt with the collapse of jobs in the 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: movie industry in the Los Angeles area in particular, and 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: there were several people who had worked on film and 22 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: television for years and years that basically said, hey, there's 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: no jobs here anymore. And you mentioned Buck that you 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: can now go to Europe and make movies cheaper all 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: over Europe, which certainly has crazy tax rates than you 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: can in the United States. Was it Hungary in particular 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: that you were citing Budapest where you could go well. 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: As Actually I think Rob Lowe in a podcast talking 29 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: about this, a guy who's been in the business for 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: like fifty years, and he said, it's cheaper to do 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: a show or a movie in Eastern Europe. 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Think about that, though, it's not that you're using Eastern 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: European cruise. 34 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: Maybe someone to fly all of the cast and the 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 2: director and this and that and everything over there, put 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: them up in hotels, do all of that. Then to 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: use empty studio lots in Los Angeles right now, think 38 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: about that. 39 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: So I think this is actually a good explanation of 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: how offshoring has worked, even for high end industry. And 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: I want you to think about this for a minute. 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: They're doing, oftentimes this movie making and this television making 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: in countries with much higher. 45 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: Tax rates than the United States. 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: So initially it was a lot of people started to 47 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: move to Vancouver Canada was giving huge advantages for making 48 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: film and movies, television and movies in Canada, even though Canada, 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: as you heard Trump talking about earlier, as a country, 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: has much higher rates on average of taxes than people 51 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: do in the United States. And then European countries. England 52 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: has for instance, built up I think they did all 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: the Star Wars movies, and I think all the Harry 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Potter movies on huge studios that they have built outside 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: of London. Well, we all know English taxes are much 56 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: higher than they are in the United States. And so 57 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: Trump looked at this and he is saying, well, this 58 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: is not ideal. We need to be producing American movies 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: in the United States. And I don't think he's wrong 60 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: on that. And there has been some pushback because I 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: think even people in Hollywood are kind of a little 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: bit skeptical over this. But it is the same thing 63 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: that has happened in Midwest with factory jobs. As I 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: told you yesterday, a lot of these people that are 65 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: working on movies, they're blue collar workers. They I know, 66 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: people think, oh it's Hollywood, Oh it's movies. That's a 67 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: lot of you know, super rich limousine people. And yeah, 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: if you're a movie star, you make a lot of money. 69 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: But the monies that are spent on films trickle down 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: in a huge way to the guy that's making a 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: set and sitting there with a saw, to the person 72 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: who's got to be pretty physically strong that's running around 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: with a mobile camera. And I've talked about as a 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: guy who did television in LA for years, I have 75 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: met a lot of the cast and crew that are 76 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: involved in producing television. I'm telling y'all a lot of 77 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: them are big Trump supporters. So this has I think 78 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation aspect to it Trump because it 79 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: creates unnatural or unexpected political alliances. 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, if you think about somebody like the key grip right, 81 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: who is involved with rigging for camera movements and the 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 2: physical mechanical components of the camera guys, the lighting guys 83 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 2: and gals, but a lot of them are going to 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: be more sympathetic to let's say the Trump and capitalist 85 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: point of view. It's really the producers, the actor in 86 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: the writer's room where you tend to have much of 87 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: the communist stuff. 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: So, not surprisingly many people have missed this aspect, which 89 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: is just hey, we should be on shoring. That is, 90 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: making even more movies in America that are designed for 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Americans instead of shipping them overseas. Let's figure out how 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: to do that in the most of the most capitalistic 93 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: way imaginable. Right whoopee. Goldberg is mad at Trump over 94 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: trying to come up with a solution here on the view. 95 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: She decided to instead say, Hey, this is what's going 96 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: to happen. 97 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: Listen to this. 98 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 4: Okay, Look, you can't do that, because what that equates 99 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 4: to is you going to tell me how to write 100 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: the story I want to write if. 101 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 5: It happens in Europe. 102 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: You're telling me that if my book comes out and 103 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 4: I want to write it, you tell me how to 104 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: write it. You're telling me you're going to charge me 105 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 4: for that. 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 5: Well, you know. 107 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: I Look, could you please lower the price of eggs 108 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: before you start this set? 109 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: Okay? 110 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: The price of eggs is their talking point. It's actually 111 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: going to be near historical low. They're at wholesale prices now. 112 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: The prices that you pay in grocery stores are coming down. 113 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: But she just doesn't under I mean, this is embarrassing, 114 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: I think for someone who should be an entertainment and 115 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: making movies. Trump is not saying you can't set a 116 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: book in Europe, you moron. He's saying, hey, American movies 117 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: that are set in America shouldn't be filmed on European 118 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: sound stages, paying Europeans to make American films. The reason 119 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles exists as a movie capital is historically because 120 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: it rains so irregularly and the weather is so good, 121 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: by and large, you could film on more days than 122 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: almost anywhere else in the United States, and therefore Tinseltown developed. 123 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: I think continuing to produce American movies in America is 124 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: actually a really good goal because it gives Americans jobs 125 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: to entertain Americans by producing these films. 126 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Also, I would just point out clearly a lot of 127 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: states are already hip to this. 128 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: If you will, they get their. 129 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: Competecause there's yeah, yeah, because they compete with each other 130 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: for this business, right. 131 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I have. 132 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: It hasn't been something I've looked at it a while, 133 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: but states like Georgia, I think South Carolina, there are 134 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: states that gave some pretty hefty tax breaks to movie 135 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: productions because they realize it brings a lot of good 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: stuff into the state, a lot of dollars a lot 137 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: of attention, you know, maybe too much attention. I feel 138 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: like some of you who live in Montana after the 139 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: Yellowstone series are like buying up outside of Bozeman, but 140 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: that obviously affects the real estate markets. I mean, there's 141 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: a lot to be said for bringing these productions into 142 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: these places. And I think about something like New York City. 143 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: So many great iconic movies and and TV shows were 144 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: filmed in New York when I was growing up in 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: New York, and a lot of people felt like they 146 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: knew New York City from watching those even if they 147 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: grew up in Oklahoma. Well, that's not happening the same 148 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: way anymore, and it's nonsense. And the fact that it's 149 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 2: not even happening in California, the home of the movie industry, 150 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: or really kind of the original birthplace of the movie industry, 151 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: is something that is clearly indicative of how bad policy is. 152 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: This is not a free market thing. This is a 153 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: bad policy thing, and it's because California's wage and just 154 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: job regulations and taxation are completely. 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: Out of control. Yeah. 156 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: Look, I think that's totally true, and California has got 157 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: its own issues. I don't have a problem with Georgia deciding, hey, 158 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: we're going to produce our own studio system. I think 159 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: a lot of that actually emanated, if I'm not mistaken, 160 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: from Tyler Perry, who had tremendous success making movies and 161 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: television shows, and he said, Hey, I'm from Atlanta. I 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: want to build my own studio here. And I think 163 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: there are going to be a lot of challenges. I 164 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: saw quotes from Tyler Perry talking about, Hey, man, I 165 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what needs to be built going forward, 166 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: because I'm sure you've seen some of this buck and 167 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: certainly you guys have had fun with doing AI versions 168 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: of us. But the ability of special effects with AI, 169 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: it's going to make the making of films in particular 170 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: special effects far more affordable. And that's different in terms 171 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: of how the jobs are going to be associated there 172 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: with a lot of the challenges that I think exists now, 173 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: which is we shouldn't be competing with London for whether 174 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: it's more affordable to make an American movie here or 175 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: in London or in any other European country. 176 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: You want to talk about in a sense the incentives 177 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: countries like Portugal and Hungary, and some of these are 178 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: not Portugal is not a rich country. A lot of 179 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: Americans are moving there because it's actually such a good 180 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: Your dollar goes so far. It's become a popular producer. 181 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 2: Alli just went there. She said it was amazing. I 182 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: actually really want to go side note. But these countries 183 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 2: play when they're giving incentives, it's kind of like. 184 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: A reverse tariff. Right. 185 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: When we start to think about it that way, you 186 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: see that this is a game that people are. 187 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: Playing in a whole range of ways. If if you 188 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 3: bring a. 189 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 2: Movie to let's say you're gonna film a movie in Portugal, 190 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: and they're gonna say, hey, we're gonna give you the 191 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 2: following financial incentives for you to make your movie here, well, 192 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 2: it's very similar to the mindset of we're gonna have 193 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: a tariff on external movies so that you'll make them 194 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: here in America. Right, They're just this is just cash 195 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: exchanging hands one way or another to create an incentive structure. 196 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: And I think that with the with the movie industry 197 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: of the TV industry, this is the one thing I 198 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: might add that just traditional America needs to make. This 199 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 2: is where we really need to push now, because the 200 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: time has never been more ripe, more clear, and more obvious. 201 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: I think for a film studio slash, you know, TV, 202 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 2: some kind of a production house that's not going to 203 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: make stuff that is necessarily like right wing or conservative, 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: but that will appeal to the broadest possible audience, which 205 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: will inherently seem conservative compared to some of the slop 206 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: they've been putting out on Netflix and Hulu in recent years. 207 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 3: I agree with that one hundred percent. 208 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: And let me just say again to what Pi Goldberg 209 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: you more on, no one is saying if a movie 210 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: set in Paris, that the movie shouldn't be shot in Paris. Right, 211 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: she doesn't even read the news story she talks about 212 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: on the show anymore. I mean she really she's mailing 213 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 1: it in, you know. I've just I've heard things from 214 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: people in and who are around that world on the 215 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: view that she. 216 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: Doesn't really want to be there anymore. No, I'm being serious. 217 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: She doesn't want to be there anymore, doesn't want to 218 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: do the homework she ever did. And it just comes 219 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: across now because what she's saying is so dumb that 220 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: it's not even wrong. 221 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: Well you would, yeah, no, that's you would think. Of 222 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: all of the subjects out there, Hollywood, movies, given that 223 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: she has been in Hollywood movies historically, would be. 224 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: Something that she I know it's been forty it's been 225 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: forty years, but she was in some good ones. 226 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: You would think that she would be able to intelligently 227 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: talk about that. But instead, she's so reflexively anti Trump 228 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: that even something that could make sense to help have 229 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: more homegrown American jobs in the creative space, which I 230 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: think is a good thing, she would be opposed to. 231 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: It's just moronic. If anything. You can argue, and some 232 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: of you may be of this disposition, I don't want 233 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: to do anything for anybody that works in the movies 234 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: because they're so left wing and everything else. 235 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: I understand that argument. I'm just telling you that, having been. 236 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Out in La a lot, and having worked a lot 237 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: in television and movies, I think you would be surprised 238 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: the actors and actresses get all the attention. 239 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: They're going to be fine, they're super rich. 240 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: But I think you'd be surprised by the regular guys 241 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and gals out there working on movies who love Donald 242 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Trump and just want to have a good job so 243 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: they can take care of their families. 244 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: We should have more of those in America. 245 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: And this is also a time when if you had 246 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: the right group of conservative and again I just traditional, 247 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: I would say traditional entertainment, not not even it's not 248 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: about the politics. It's just about stories that are meant 249 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: to inspire and appeal to people in the broadest possible way. 250 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: The only stuff that even comes close to that has 251 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: been like superhero movies for the past decade. Please don't 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: send me. I love Kevin Sorbo and some of these 253 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: people that have worked on more you know, independent projects 254 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: and stuff, and they're doing the best that they can. 255 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 2: I'm saying the big studios. I'm talking about what's getting 256 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: made by Amazon and Netflix, and these are the places 257 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: that are right Apple, TV, Clay. The time has never 258 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: been better to get your you know, undaunted Lewis and 259 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: Clark as a series in because I think someone like 260 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: a Jeff Bezos could tell the head of content at Amazon, hey, 261 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: how about we make a kick ass series that isn't 262 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: about how you have to trans your twelve year old 263 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: How about that? 264 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: Let me give credit here. These guys live in my neighborhood. 265 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: Andrew and John Irwin, Andy and John Irwin. They've been 266 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: doing tremendous jobs making movies in a lot of the 267 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: arena that you're talking about, Buck And what they've seen 268 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: is the math on these has really kind of taken off. 269 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: They did the best Christmas Badge and ever, they did, 270 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: American Underdog they did. They've done a lot of different movies. 271 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: I think we had them on I can only imagine 272 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: the Jesus Music, the Jesus Revolution, and they're involved in 273 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of these different The new 274 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: David documentary that I think is just I'm not a documentary, 275 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: but I mean it's based on a true life history 276 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: in the Bible. 277 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: It's killing it. 278 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: I love that Trump has gone after the stranglehold on 279 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: elite academia with Harvard, etc. That's critical and it's part 280 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: of the long term play of putting this country, you know, 281 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: back in a sane place. M clay entertainment industry, yep it. 282 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: You know, this is another place where we need to 283 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: really make gains. 284 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: House of David, by the way, on Amazon Prime Video 285 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: that I am told is just really good and doing 286 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: very very well. When you find a market, guess what, 287 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Hollywood will support it as soon as they start making money, 288 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: and then you get more of it. We've had a 289 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: lot of wild weather here in Nashville. Makes you think 290 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: about having a go bag, emergency kit of sorts if 291 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: things get a little bit crazy. 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The preliminary injunction entered into 327 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: by the United States District Court is stayed pending the disposition. 328 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: So it's not a final I was gonna say, Lawyer 329 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 2: Clay explain this, but we have like five seconds. 330 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 3: But it's not final. 331 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 2: But at this stage it's it's you're going the way 332 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: of the Trump administration, right. 333 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: They have not stopped. 334 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: It is the easiest way to kind of analyze this. 335 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: And I know there's so many court cases. 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We're joined now by Senator Rand Paul, 355 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: a Great State of Kentucky and Senat Paul. I know 356 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: there's a ton of things we're going to get into 357 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: with you, but I want to start with this Anthony Fauci. 358 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: The evidence continues to mount that he lied about gain 359 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: a function research. You, uniquely, I think in the entire 360 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: political class, have continued to hold his feet to the fire. 361 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: What is the latest about that that you can tell us. 362 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 6: We've been trying to get records on the deliberation of 363 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 6: who made the call to send the money to Wuhan, 364 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 6: the research, the lab, the league, who funded it. We 365 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 6: know the nih did it, but we're going to know 366 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 6: who met about it, who discussed it, and who made 367 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 6: the final approval. We think that's Anthony Fauci, and we're 368 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 6: getting closer to that. The Biden administration refused to give 369 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 6: us any documents. They basically refuse for years to give 370 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 6: any Robert Kennedy has opened up the books to us. 371 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 6: Jay Battachari and NIH is also helping us, and we're 372 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 6: sorting through it. We're going to begin interviewing everybody who's 373 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 6: part of the process. So there's a committee over there 374 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 6: that discussed it when Fauci said everybody told him that 375 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 6: it wasn't gain a function. It's interesting though, that the 376 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 6: committee has documents, and in the documents they have EcoHealth Alliance. 377 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 6: This is a group that got the money that took 378 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 6: it to Wuhan. They have EcoHealth Alliance sending notes back 379 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 6: in the NIA saying thank you for lifting our gain 380 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 6: of function pause. So they were paused the government quits 381 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 6: funding gain of function between fourteen and twenty sixteen. They 382 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 6: thanked them for lifting their pause on the same research 383 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 6: that Fauci said was never gained function. So how do 384 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 6: you lift a pause in funding for a project that 385 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 6: was never gain a function if it was never a 386 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 6: gain a function. So we've got evidence like that. But ultimately, 387 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 6: once we've interviewed everybody, we will get to Anthony Fauci. 388 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 6: That will be within a month or two and we'll 389 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 6: be having him come in and testify. 390 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: In terms of that testimony, what are you hoping to 391 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 2: be able to get final answers from fauci on and 392 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: given the Senator Paul given the preemptive pardon that he 393 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: was given, which is still pretty remarkable when I say 394 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: that out loud, that that even happened. What are you 395 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: hoping the final disposition of this whole situation will be? 396 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 6: You know, you realize that's a preemptive pardon where they 397 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 6: don't even list your crime. That he's pardoned for anything, 398 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 6: stealing in a larceny, grand larceny, assault, you name it. 399 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 6: He's pardoned for anything he could have done over a 400 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 6: ten year period. It's the craziest thing I've ever heard. 401 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 6: I've never ever heard of a pardon. It's preemptive and 402 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 6: also includes any possible crime he committed over a ten 403 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 6: year period. I don't have high hopes that he's going 404 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 6: to be ultimately held criminally responsible, but I think it's 405 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 6: important that history judges him accurately and harshly. He made 406 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 6: a decision that led to the million, millions of people dying, 407 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 6: basically a decision to fund a lab that was not 408 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 6: up to safety standards and fund research that was incredibly dangerous. 409 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 6: We also were concerned that this kind of research still 410 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 6: goes on. So the President came out in the last 411 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 6: day or so, with a pause once again on gain 412 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: to function research, importantly, not just in our country, but 413 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 6: a pause on all funding we do around the world, 414 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 6: because of course, you know, Uncle Sam funds everybody's research 415 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 6: lab everywhere in the world. And some of this, some 416 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 6: people conjecture Anthony Fauci farmed out because he wanted less scrutiny. 417 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 6: So if he wanted, you know, for example, some of 418 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 6: the most gruesome stuff that was done on beagles was 419 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 6: done in Tunisia. They did in Tunisia hoping that their 420 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 6: sensibility is about sewing their eyelids open and infecting them 421 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 6: with sand fleas and then cutting their larynx out so 422 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 6: you couldn't hear the dogs cry. That there'd be less 423 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 6: sensibility for that somewhere else other than the United States. 424 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 6: But same way with the gain of function, we think 425 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 6: some of it was farmed out. We need to know 426 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 6: the degree of this, and we need to get to 427 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 6: the bottom of it. We're also very concerned with a 428 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 6: couple of labs near Fort Tetrick Kennedy closed one down 429 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 6: and the media reporting he was anti science. I heard 430 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 6: there of the accurate story from Jay Battachari. The accurate 431 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 6: story is someone's asthmat suit was purposely cut in one 432 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 6: of the areas dealing with ebola in different very dangerous viruses. 433 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 6: So getting that kind of disease out of a lab, 434 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 6: if he were to have gotten infected, is incredibly dangerous. 435 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 6: And so next to that lab is an NIHT a 436 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 6: DHS lab Department of Homeland Security that we now have 437 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 6: reports are doing experiments aerosolizing ebola. We think that somebody, 438 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 6: you know, somebody representing the taxpayer and the citizens of 439 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 6: the country ought to be able to take a look 440 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 6: at these labs and find out what experiments are doing 441 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 6: and really should we be doing some of this. 442 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: I think both all of this you just said is 443 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: really important because I think it answers two questions. One, 444 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: it is backward looking in the context of Fauci should 445 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: be seen as a villain of history and his full 446 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: trajectory of stories and lies should be analyzed for years 447 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: to come. That's backwards looking prospectively, as you just laid out. 448 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: The reason why this matters is if China created COVID, 449 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: which I think it's quite clear that they did, partly 450 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: based on having gain a function access to American taxpayer dollars. 451 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: We should be massively concerned about. As you just laid out, 452 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: whatever the next iteration of the virus that could be 453 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: created is because it could end up far more deadly 454 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: than anything that we dealt with with COVID. I think 455 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of a synthesis of all of this for 456 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: people out there who would say, Okay, why are we 457 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: still talking about COVID. 458 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 6: Well, you know, the next virus could be avian flu. 459 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 6: Avian flu has a fifty percent death rate. Coronavirus or 460 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 6: COVID was less than one percent. So avian flu currently 461 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: can a human can get it from chickens or from birds, 462 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 6: but doesn't go human to human. But there are experiments 463 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 6: trying to get it to go human to human, mammal 464 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 6: to mammal through the air. These have been funded by NIH. 465 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 6: This is the kind of stuff that has to be discussed. 466 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 6: Is it a death wish for humanity for someone to 467 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 6: try to get av and fluid make it more transmissible 468 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 6: among humans? I think is we should be shouting this 469 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 6: from the rooftop. This kind of research should not occur, 470 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 6: and the tax player shouldn't pay for it. But I 471 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 6: don't know that we've actually gotten to that point yet 472 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 6: the Trump administration's ban or at least temporary or maybe 473 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 6: longer on this as a good step. I have legislation 474 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 6: that would do this, and we actually have gotten bipartisan support. 475 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 6: I've passed it out unanimously out of committee last Congress. 476 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 6: Do it again in the next month or so, and 477 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 6: then we're hoping it can be included in some kind 478 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 6: of legislation that's going to pass soon. But this would 479 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 6: actually let President Trump appoint a panel of scientists. And importantly, 480 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 6: these scientists would not be ones who get NIH grants, 481 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 6: so they can't be bribed to have an opinion. They 482 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 6: will be independent voices, but experts in their field, and 483 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 6: they will examine all government research, all classified and unclassified documents, 484 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 6: and they will give their opinion on whether it should 485 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 6: be funded, and they will have the ability to stop funding. 486 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 6: And it will be a powerful committee. But it won't 487 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 6: be a total ban. It would be we're going to 488 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 6: look at case by case. The reason you need that 489 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 6: is if you just ban it and then the next 490 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 6: people come in and say, well, that's not gain to function. 491 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 6: That's what Anthony Vauci did is oh yeah, we were 492 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 6: had special safety for gaining to function, but this wasn't 493 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 6: kay to function. Anthony Falci to this day still argues 494 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 6: that the research and WU on that led to the 495 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 6: death of six to ten million people. He said that 496 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 6: wasn't gain of function, which nobody else he's other than 497 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 6: Anthony Fauci. 498 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: Speaking the Senator Raan Paul Kentucky Senator on President Trump today, 499 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: he spoke about the Houthis. I think he said there's 500 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: a deal that they have now. Essentially it's please stop 501 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: bombing us and we'll stop blowing up ships. But the 502 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: Houthis are an extension and allied with Iran. There's a 503 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: lot of talk right now about one kind of I 504 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 2: think you could say a rare disconnect or disagreement at 505 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: the senior levels of some of the Trump personnel, and 506 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: it has to do with Iran and what we should 507 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: do about Iran and its nuclear ambitions going forward. How 508 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: do you see that? Where do you think Trump is 509 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: on this and where would you like to see this go? 510 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 6: You know, I'm encouraged by the announcement today and Trump 511 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 6: shows great strength and they back down, and so I 512 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 6: think that is a good thing. And my hope is 513 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 6: that we can get to a point where international shipping 514 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 6: is safe to go around the bend there and up 515 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 6: to the sus With regard to Iran, my hope is 516 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 6: that we can move forward. And this is where Trump 517 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 6: is different than some of the neo conservatives. The new 518 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 6: Conservatives never want to get to the next step of negotiation. 519 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 6: So Trump goes in with a firm hand. But he 520 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 6: does get to the next step of negotiation. He did 521 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 6: it with North Korea. Didn't necessarily work out, But most 522 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 6: of the neocons, from Hillary Clinton to Bill Crystal, would 523 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 6: have never talked to North Korea. They would never talk 524 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 6: to an Iran. Ultimately, getting to the point where we 525 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 6: talk to them is good because really, the only realistic 526 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 6: way of stopping them from getting a nuclear weapon isn't 527 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 6: all Likelihoore likelihood, through diplomacy. I don't think you can 528 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 6: bomb away their nuclear knowledge. I don't think once they 529 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: haven't rich unuranium. You know, a cupful of uranium enriched 530 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 6: to ninety five or ninety eight percent is probably enough 531 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 6: for a bomb. You know, you once you get six 532 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 6: or eight or ten cupfuls of the uranium, you're mitched 533 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 6: to that point. You have the rest of the technical 534 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 6: knowledge to do it. You know, you can hide that 535 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 6: thousands of feet below the ground where no bomb can 536 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 6: get to. So you know, I don't want that to happen, 537 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 6: and we want to stop it. But ultimately it has 538 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 6: to be both stick and carrot, and so ultimately you 539 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 6: have to talk to people and you have to This 540 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 6: is the same thing we should be doing with Russia. 541 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 6: You know, they're wanting to put more more sanctions on Russia. 542 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 6: The Lindsey Grahamville wants to put a five hundred percent 543 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 6: tariff on everybody who buys oil from Russia. You know 544 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 6: what that is. That's about forty or fifty countries by 545 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 6: oil and gas and from from Russia. Present tariff would 546 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 6: be a shutdown of basically all commerce in the world. 547 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 6: I mean, it's a terrible idea. What we should be 548 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 6: doing instead is going to rush and say you want 549 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 6: to get back in the banking system, you want to 550 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 6: get rid of some sanctions of Venezuela, and let's have 551 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 6: a ceasefire and peace dogs. I think we have the 552 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 6: ability to offer stuff, but I think we have so 553 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 6: many sanctions already on these countries that really to get 554 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 6: to diplomacy and get to peace. The piece should be 555 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 6: offering to remove sanctions and allow Russia back into the 556 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 6: banking world. But they have to do something real. It 557 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 6: has to be real ceasefire and has to really ultimately 558 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 6: be a peace plan. 559 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: All right, I know it's a complicated topic, but I 560 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: want to give you an opportunity to weigh in on 561 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: tariffs and analyze this. Reports today that India might be 562 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: willing to go to zero tariffs for American goods. It 563 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: seems to me that there is dual arguments here. One 564 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: is you hear it from a lot of Trump people, Hey, 565 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: we want to actually eliminate many of the tariffs and 566 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: have more free trade. The other argument is we need 567 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: to have more protectionist trade potentially with China other countries. 568 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: How do you analyze this, what should we do? And 569 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: bigger picture, how does it impact the big beautiful bill. 570 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: I know that's a big question, but the tax cut 571 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: bill that's currently making its way along with border security 572 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: through Congress right now. 573 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 6: There's two camps on tariffs. They're all pro tariff in 574 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 6: the Trump administration, but two camps. One of the Neanderthal camp. 575 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 6: The Neanderthal camp says that we keep tariffs on until 576 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 6: there's no more trade deficits. Well, you think we're ever 577 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 6: going to get to the point where Bangladesh buys as 578 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 6: much from US as we five from them, Same with Vietnam. 579 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 6: We're a very, very rich country, and part of a 580 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 6: trade deficit is when you're richer, you buy more stuff 581 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 6: from other people than they buy from you. So it's 582 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 6: just that's a ridiculous Neanderthal sort of argument. The other 583 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 6: camp says, well, we want reciprocal agreements, we want fairness, 584 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 6: but we'll you know, we'd like to see lower tariffs. 585 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 6: That's a more reasonable camp actually said, well, I'm not 586 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 6: for the tariffs, and I think tariff's from this guided. 587 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 6: If Trump is able to use as a negotiating technique 588 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 6: the ability of lower terraffs with India and they get 589 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 6: to a much lower level than when we started, I'll 590 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 6: be the first to compliment him on that. But realize 591 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 6: that the tariff bill or the sanctioned bill that Lindsay 592 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 6: is proposing on Russia actually would tearif because India is 593 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 6: an India and China the two biggest purchasers of oil 594 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 6: and gas from from Russia, and if you put a 595 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 6: five hundred percent tariff. That's going the opposite way. So 596 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 6: I don't think we're going to zero. If we passed 597 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 6: this new Russia sanction bill that puts a five hundred 598 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 6: five hundred percent tariff is an embargo. It's it's almost 599 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 6: like a declaration of war basically, So it's a it's 600 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 6: a really really really foolish notion. But uh, if you know, 601 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 6: they come up with a deal with India, I will 602 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 6: be the first to compliment the President and say, gay job. 603 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 6: You know, if he gets if he gets lower tariffs, 604 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 6: we'll see what happens. But I think that should be 605 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 6: the goal really with every country, and I would say 606 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 6: even including China, because I think the moment that we 607 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 6: have no trade with China is the moment that they 608 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 6: become less predictable and potentially more militaristic. 609 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 2: Senator, one more for you. Only got about a minute, 610 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: but I just wanted to hear you weigh in on 611 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: this because I know government spending and our unsustainable data 612 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: is something been for a long time. The dog cuts, 613 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm hearing there's been some cuts actually made a lot 614 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 2: of cuts. 615 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: Advise, what do you think where are we on that? 616 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 6: None of them actually count until they come back to Congress. 617 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 6: So if you say you've cut spending unless it's actually 618 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 6: booked by Congress and Congress boats on it, it doesn't really. 619 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 6: It hasn't been transmitted or accounted for. There's supposedly a 620 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 6: recision package. It can be voted on by a simple majority. 621 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 6: That's coming back to us of only nine billion. That's 622 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 6: a pittance. That's a rounding era. I'm for it, but 623 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 6: I'll say send us more please. We'll see. But right 624 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 6: now we have We've been hearing about that for two 625 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 6: weeks and haven't seen that. 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