Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katy Golden. I studied psychology
Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Ghosts Planets,
Speaker 1: Haunted Guys, everybody off, from ghostly worms to eight armed
Speaker 1: specters to ghost bats far scarier than any vampire. We've
Speaker 1: got a passion for possession when it comes to these
Speaker 1: cute hauntings. Discover this more as we answer the agel
Speaker 1: question what are ghost dogs? A very import taste sequel
Speaker 1: to air Bud joining me today to gab about all
Speaker 1: things ghostly is corporeal being and host of the Small
Speaker 1: Beans Podcast Network show Rough Stuff Bridget Greeberg. Hey, it's
Speaker 1: me not a ghost. Yeah. I like that you're not
Speaker 1: a ghost because that I can always say that whenever
Speaker 1: I walk into her room. I just want people to
Speaker 1: be sure. No, it makes me happy. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's Bridget and she's not ghost. Hey what about that?
Speaker 1: How about that? I like to make people feel comfortable
Speaker 1: around me. Yeah. Yeah. I like to assure people of
Speaker 1: my tangibility whenever possible, Like I'll just touch their face
Speaker 1: like see tangible, tangible, tangible. Yeah, no, you you never
Speaker 1: know in these days, and like you got to make sure, like, hey,
Speaker 1: don't throw me into a wall. I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: through it, right right, Yeah, And it's like I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna Bruce Willis yet in the sixth sense. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna like develop a relationship with me and then be like, oh,
Speaker 1: but I'm a ghost the whole time. Whoops, can't pay rent. No,
Speaker 1: I'm very right about Sorry only ghosts books. We call
Speaker 1: them boo books. Yeah, I don't have anything better than that.
Speaker 1: It seems like there's got to be something better. Podcast
Speaker 1: over we did it, We did it, We did that
Speaker 1: says that's the highest part we're gonna get. Are you
Speaker 1: scared of ghosts? Bridget Uh, I don't think I believe.
Speaker 1: I don't think I believe in ghosts, is how I
Speaker 1: put it to say, no, because I'm a big brave girl.
Speaker 1: But it's hard not to believe in ghosts, like at
Speaker 1: four in the morning when like you're like woken up
Speaker 1: by a creek but generally not like an otherworldly person. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I You know, I'm very open
Speaker 1: minded about the universe, but I don't I don't believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts as sort of like what what we describe
Speaker 1: as a ghost, like you know, a spectral being that
Speaker 1: haunts the earth and floats around, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like like maybe there's some weird secret of the universe,
Speaker 1: like supernatural, but some science thing that we haven't discovered,
Speaker 1: when its just some sort of like energy kind of thing, right,
Speaker 1: like time and time and space salt, like a space
Speaker 1: ghost host discost coast space coast space space ghost. I
Speaker 1: love that showing as a kid. But yeah, uh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: but I don't really believe in the hauntings of specters. Um,
Speaker 1: but when it is the middle of the night and
Speaker 1: I wake up suddenly, I do believe in ghosts. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I even get sleep paralysis where I'm like, oh it's ghosts,
Speaker 1: Oh darn it. Yeah yeah. So yeah, generally, yeah, not
Speaker 1: not a person who would be like that, that's a ghost.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's a ghost. But yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: I was when I was a kid, my my mom's
Speaker 1: side of the family lived in this like creaky wooden
Speaker 1: cabin in Vermont. There if there were ghosts anywhere, like
Speaker 1: they they were there. Vermont is super haunted, very haunted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, there's no internet and it's pitch black there.
Speaker 1: So if sure, if there's a ghost there, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe these animals could prove me wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like dark, long hallways at night because that's
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's like, look, I don't believe
Speaker 1: in ghosts, but just to be safe, I don't want
Speaker 1: to walk down a dark hallway at night. If a
Speaker 1: ghost was going to eat me, that would probably be it, right,
Speaker 1: that's like yeah. Also, it's unclear what ghosts do except
Speaker 1: for like generally mess with people. I thought that they
Speaker 1: could eat you. But maybe I'm wrong. I thought ghosts
Speaker 1: couldn't eat I'm going on Casper rules here. I thought
Speaker 1: it was more of a like body takeover. I feel
Speaker 1: like I remember seeing him like someone was like puffing
Speaker 1: smoke out of a pipe and he was able to
Speaker 1: eat the smoke puffs like doughnuts or something. Maybe maybe,
Speaker 1: because because what is a ghost if not smoke? So
Speaker 1: speaking of Casper, though, you get a Casper. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about let's talk about the friendly little ghost that was
Speaker 1: discovered in the ocean. This is called the ghost octopus
Speaker 1: Casper octopus because it looks like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
Speaker 1: It does. It's pretty cute. I never know going on
Speaker 1: this show. I'm like, I'm pretty sure something's going to
Speaker 1: creep me out. This guy, I like him. This show
Speaker 1: is se cute. Yeah, and then uh, thirty five percent
Speaker 1: M bad. I haven't. I haven't. Yeah, there's no. I
Speaker 1: haven't come across a lot of mediums. I either like
Speaker 1: super like the thing or I'm horrified by Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: on the good side. He's a good guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I don't know if zoomers can relate. But
Speaker 1: Casper the Friendly Ghost, he was that ghost with the
Speaker 1: big head, and he was friendly and he would be
Speaker 1: add because he'd scare people. But then in the end
Speaker 1: he usually made friends. I think, yeah, he made friends
Speaker 1: with Christina Ricci famously. Yes, yes, I used to watch
Speaker 1: the old like what were they like h GM cartoons
Speaker 1: or something. Uh was like a hand of Barbara thing
Speaker 1: msg MS and b C. I don't know, uh the cartoons,
Speaker 1: the old cartoons. And then yeah, he was he was
Speaker 1: a little cutie. There was one. I can't believe this
Speaker 1: didn't traumatize me. But Casper like made friends with a fox,
Speaker 1: a little baby fox, and the fox was like the
Speaker 1: only thing that wasn't scared of Casper, so they were
Speaker 1: like best friends. But then the fox gets it gets killed,
Speaker 1: It's murdered. The little baby Fox gets murdered by a hunter,
Speaker 1: and Casper goes to the baby Fox's grave and cries.
Speaker 1: And then in the end, the baby Fox's ghost comes
Speaker 1: out of the grave and then their friends again. But
Speaker 1: what the I'm sorry, what the f though? What what
Speaker 1: a what a weird story for children's cartoon? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess it has a happy ending, but at what cost? Right?
Speaker 1: Like the happy India is that the baby fox dies,
Speaker 1: but at least it's tortured spirit lives on with Casper.
Speaker 1: I guess a dead boy's ghost as well. And the
Speaker 1: and the Casper logic is that your ghost because you
Speaker 1: have unfinished business. Well you know what that means, right,
Speaker 1: He and Casper, the baby Fox, ghost, and cap Sper
Speaker 1: teaming up to go hunt that hunter and drive to
Speaker 1: madness and possibly death. Yeah, like they're going to team
Speaker 1: up with a ghost of Bambi's mom too. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna hunt hunter. You know what you did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that. I think there should be there should
Speaker 1: be a Disney movie that's just all the dead mom's
Speaker 1: ghosts coming back from Avenge. Yeah, ghost avengers, ghost avengers,
Speaker 1: all the dead moms, but not the Avengers. They'd have
Speaker 1: to figure out a different name, right exactly. But we
Speaker 1: were going to talk about octopuses. Uh, so let's do
Speaker 1: that is that is that? Is? That? Is that right? Octopuses?
Speaker 1: It's not all his octopuses. It's not octopi actually, because
Speaker 1: something about the Latin whatever. Nobody's gonna judge you for
Speaker 1: saying octopi. But I think it is technically octopuses, which
Speaker 1: sounds get yeah, sounds get so few, you get so
Speaker 1: few chances to use the pie. I know it also
Speaker 1: sounds cute I octopi, Yeah, setway octopi. But yes, it's octopus. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the ghost octopus is a ghostly pale octopus that
Speaker 1: lives in the deep sea. It was discovered off the
Speaker 1: Hawaiian Archipelago, uh two point six miles or four point
Speaker 1: three kilometers under the sea. And this is a relatively
Speaker 1: new discovery. It was found in two sixteen. So here's
Speaker 1: what we know about the octopus, the ghost octopus, which
Speaker 1: is not that much. It's a ghostly pale octopus. Like
Speaker 1: we said, it looks like Casper the friendly ghost with
Speaker 1: a big, big old head. Technically that's called the mantle
Speaker 1: of the octopus. It is highly gelatinous and non muscular,
Speaker 1: which is interesting because that seems to indicate it probably
Speaker 1: has a slower metabolism and more of a floating on
Speaker 1: by kind of lifestyle, just letting the currents take it
Speaker 1: where it will, right, a big lebowski, Yeah, yeah, big
Speaker 1: lebowski Margarita Ville lifestyle for this deep sea ghost octopus.
Speaker 1: And while uh so, it has no pigment and it
Speaker 1: has very small black eyes which may be functional. So
Speaker 1: a lot of deep sea creatures have eyes, but they
Speaker 1: are nonfunctional or they don't have eyes at all. Uh
Speaker 1: these guys seem to have eyes that are probably functional,
Speaker 1: although again we don't really know that much about them.
Speaker 1: There are octopuses who do frequent the deep ocean, but
Speaker 1: they often have fins or wing like protrusions from their mantle,
Speaker 1: like the dumbbo octopus. Have you ever seen the dumbo octopus? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have that, Yeah, yes, yes, but this one doesn't,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty unique discovery for octopus scientists. So
Speaker 1: it means that there is stuff we still don't know
Speaker 1: about like how octopus is adapt to the deep sea,
Speaker 1: Like this guy has a different strategy from the Dumbo octopus,
Speaker 1: So that's very interesting. And I'm guessing this guy doesn't
Speaker 1: change colors. I don't know. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: even know. Probably not though, because if it's totally lacking
Speaker 1: in pigment, I would assume it doesn't have chrome out
Speaker 1: of fours, which are the cells that are able to
Speaker 1: change color. So probably not mhm. And why would they
Speaker 1: need to, Like if the changing of colors is usually
Speaker 1: for communication and for camouflage, but if everything's dark down there,
Speaker 1: you probably don't need it, right Well, yeah, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: because he's white, he probably stands out in the darkness.
Speaker 1: He's like a little flashlight down there. But you'd have
Speaker 1: to have something reflecting off of the hail skin. I
Speaker 1: gets there is some bioluminescence down there, to be fair,
Speaker 1: So maybe bioluminescent animals could somewhat reflect off of the octopus,
Speaker 1: and like you could get some but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems that that must not be too
Speaker 1: much of an issue for it um, but it is
Speaker 1: really weird because it's not like a tiny micro organism
Speaker 1: that was newly discovered. It's it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: a handful. It's about five inches long or twelve centimeters,
Speaker 1: so it's relatively it's not a large animal in the
Speaker 1: general since, but it's a large thing to have, uh,
Speaker 1: newly discovered, like just a little over four years ago. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a testament to how unexplored the
Speaker 1: deep ocean is. I mean it's we've been trying. I've
Speaker 1: been exploring it a lot. No not, I'm not like
Speaker 1: telling a scientists that they've been lazy. But I got
Speaker 1: to get down there, Get down there, stop screwing around
Speaker 1: with your weird math, and get down there and find
Speaker 1: us more octopuses. It's just so hard to map the
Speaker 1: entire ocean because it's so big and there's so much
Speaker 1: of it. But it's so thrilling to me that we're
Speaker 1: still discovering things the size of a small octopus down there.
Speaker 1: It's like there must be so many other things we
Speaker 1: haven't discovered yet. It's crazy. The deep ocean is a
Speaker 1: wild but it's just full of aliens. I feel like
Speaker 1: no two fish are similar down there. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like everything you come across. It's like, that's a strange
Speaker 1: being from another world. And uh, most of the time
Speaker 1: they look like skelet like monster skeletons. But I like
Speaker 1: this guy. He's just a good old He's just a
Speaker 1: big old blob. He's a little blob. He's Casper, the
Speaker 1: friendly blob with eyes. For some reason, the eyes thing
Speaker 1: is so weird, Yeah, because a lot of deep sea
Speaker 1: animals just don't bother with eyes, but some of them do,
Speaker 1: and they use the eyes to detect bioluminescence and faint
Speaker 1: light coming from chemical reactions from the bioluminescence, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is. I think it's kind of nice because
Speaker 1: I think without the eyes it would be a lot
Speaker 1: of spookier, but with the eyes is really cute. It's
Speaker 1: a lot more tolerable looking. With the eyes, it looks
Speaker 1: like it just hangs out at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's at the bottom of the bottom. Yeah, just kind
Speaker 1: of blurps around down there. Deep sea just blows my
Speaker 1: mind every time I see something new from down there. Well,
Speaker 1: even outside of the deep sea, there are parts of
Speaker 1: the sea that are still really mysterious. Uh, even the
Speaker 1: open ocean or pelagic stone so this is the area
Speaker 1: that's really far from the shore, and it's not at
Speaker 1: the bottom of the ocean. It's like sort of the
Speaker 1: center of the ocean, so far out to sea, but
Speaker 1: not deep down at the bottom of the sea. So
Speaker 1: just right in the sweet, gooey center of the ocean.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of weird animals there too.
Speaker 1: There is something called the Cleopiday worm. I'm hoping I
Speaker 1: pronounced that right, but it is a marine worm that
Speaker 1: looks like a space ghost coast to coast, but bridget
Speaker 1: if you will click on that Twitter I think I've
Speaker 1: seen this. Yeah, it looks like a spaceship. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the worm itself looks like a spaceship. When I saw this,
Speaker 1: I thought it was c G I, like sci fi
Speaker 1: c G I. And but it's real. It's a real thing.
Speaker 1: It is a transparent worm that kind of looks like
Speaker 1: a robot or a machine. It's it's got all of
Speaker 1: these segments. It truly looks like some kind of weird
Speaker 1: futuristic invisible spaceship. It looks like just from its face.
Speaker 1: Also the way it moves very like in sync with
Speaker 1: the rest of its body, which is weird because it's
Speaker 1: a very long body, but it looks like just a
Speaker 1: very long shrimp almost. I'm just saying because of the eyes,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. Yeah, So they're actually poly keats, which
Speaker 1: are a highly diverse class of segmented marine worms. The
Speaker 1: infamous bobbit worm is actually a poly keat. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I had you on the show for that one.
Speaker 1: I usually do try to like horrify you, so I
Speaker 1: might have. But the bobbit worm is this ocean warm
Speaker 1: that hides under the sand and it pops out and
Speaker 1: it like grabs fishy big ja. Yeah. I didn't like
Speaker 1: that at all. And they're sort of they're actually kind
Speaker 1: of pretty because they're those ones are not transparent. They
Speaker 1: are this like iridescent color. But so they're actually related
Speaker 1: to these other marine worms, which in my opinion, are
Speaker 1: far less horrifying than the bobbit worm. Um. But these
Speaker 1: h q p D are just they they're basically completely transparent.
Speaker 1: They kind of almost look like they're long, So they're
Speaker 1: about six inches or fifteen centimeters long, according to Assistant
Speaker 1: Professor Biology Rebecca our Helm, who runs the Open Ocean
Speaker 1: Exploration Twitter account, all linked to her tweet that has
Speaker 1: that lovely video in it. So you know they're they're
Speaker 1: fairly long, but they about you know, six six inches
Speaker 1: half a foot. But they it's the it's that they
Speaker 1: look like an outline like they're so they're segmented worm.
Speaker 1: They have these segments, they have bristles along their sides.
Speaker 1: They have these two eyes at front, very prominent and
Speaker 1: then antenna. But they it looks like a and a
Speaker 1: vector drying like an outline of a fish. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: looks like there's like some sort of shell to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like it would be crunchy. I imagine it
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah. No, I mean like just because their worms,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they don't have a hard I think
Speaker 1: they have a somewhat firm body. I don't think they're
Speaker 1: like earth worms where they're squishy. They're are bristle worms,
Speaker 1: marine bristle worms that can actually have a pretty hard
Speaker 1: uh outer carapist good good for them. There's hard bodied worms. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know how these ones are. They look more
Speaker 1: delicate to me than like a bob at worm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think just because well, now you said that it's
Speaker 1: six inches, which is like, I mean, it's not that's
Speaker 1: a big form if I saw six inch worm, I
Speaker 1: freak out. But like that's still pretty small, So I
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta be you gotta be somewhat loose.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I don't know what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a worm. Well imagine it's very hard.
Speaker 1: Maybe just try visualization exercises. Try to visualize what it's
Speaker 1: like to be a worm. I like that little movement
Speaker 1: that you did. Nobody can for this for this visual podcast,
Speaker 1: I I wiggled. I tried to wiggle. Yeah, she did
Speaker 1: a little like like shoulder wiggle, like I'm a little warm,
Speaker 1: very very cool, very good acting. Unfortunately, no one will
Speaker 1: ever see it. But no, I just you know, that's
Speaker 1: it's just for us. But yeah, basically I could find
Speaker 1: barely any information on this. I'm sure there's some like
Speaker 1: research on them, but I couldn't find it with my
Speaker 1: terrible Google skills. But this tweet says they don't know
Speaker 1: what they eat, so that seems like a pretty basic
Speaker 1: uh a thing. Yeah, well yeah, that's like number one,
Speaker 1: what does something eat? After what does it look like?
Speaker 1: When you kind of have to get a sense of
Speaker 1: what the animal is. But yeah, they guess that it's
Speaker 1: probably a predator because they have such large eyes, which
Speaker 1: seems to indicate it uses them to hunt for things.
Speaker 1: But still, who knows what does it eat? Does it
Speaker 1: eat you? Did they say how far down this thing
Speaker 1: lives because it looks like it's a deep sea creature?
Speaker 1: Just basically yeah, I know that's actually just because it's
Speaker 1: at night. The they are the the pelagic zone is
Speaker 1: like I said, it's not at the bottom of the sea, like,
Speaker 1: not in the deep sea area. It's not at the
Speaker 1: surface of the sea either. It's like right kind of
Speaker 1: in the middle like that the gooey jelly center of
Speaker 1: the ocean. Okay, yeah, like the lukewarm area. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: starting to get colder, You're starting to get a little pressure,
Speaker 1: your organs are starting to get a little squeezed. Yeah right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this thing could get the bends. Yeah yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: it's middle ocean, and so it's a vote counts more
Speaker 1: than the good for it, honestly good for its petting out.
Speaker 1: But what a weird looking thing. Yeah no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no. Go spat using echo location is better than
Speaker 1: the batmobile. Goost beat. What would have killed the joker
Speaker 1: by now ghost bet goose butts goose bet goose, but
Speaker 1: so bridget talking about goes bat goes bad. I love
Speaker 1: the falsetto thank you, thank you. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it counts as falsetto, though, I think my voice really
Speaker 1: is just that squeaky no you got up there, thank you.
Speaker 1: So ghost bats they are a real life bat that is,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, way creepier than vampire bats. So vampire
Speaker 1: bats tend to get all the attention and all the
Speaker 1: credit for being creepy being the monsters like Dracula turns
Speaker 1: into vampire bats. But vampire bats are kind of nerds,
Speaker 1: like they they sip at blood like they're drinking a
Speaker 1: dacori or something. They're not going out causing all sorts
Speaker 1: of gore. They just kind of go like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go and and sip some blood on this this cow
Speaker 1: ankle and I just the way the way you're saying,
Speaker 1: and I pictured in like a martini glass. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: cow blood is strong. Oh my, I'm only going to
Speaker 1: be able to have two of these. Yeah. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's they really don't They're not like vicious predators.
Speaker 1: They just kind of like they're they're parasitic because they
Speaker 1: do drink blood from animals who would probably prefer them
Speaker 1: not to. But they don't generally kill the animals they
Speaker 1: drink blood from, so they're not really that scared turn
Speaker 1: them into vampires, which is I didn't say that, No,
Speaker 1: did I? No? I didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: until I see a cow wearing like a cape and
Speaker 1: or like being a real sexy cow, that's likely I
Speaker 1: won't believe it. But yeah, vampire bats don't even murder
Speaker 1: their victims, whereas ghost bats love murder. Ghost bats live
Speaker 1: in Australia, which should tell you bay sically everything you
Speaker 1: need to know. Yeah, they're horrifying. That means they're they're killers,
Speaker 1: stone called killers. So what do ghost bats look like?
Speaker 1: I think they're cute, question mark. Some of the time.
Speaker 1: They you So your caption on the stock is I'll
Speaker 1: look at this cutie and I went down and I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe it's cute. But then the minute you
Speaker 1: said it was a killer, I was like, now I
Speaker 1: see it in his eyes. Now it's a killer, and
Speaker 1: that's the only way I can see it. Now. You
Speaker 1: haven't even described how it kills. But the minute you said,
Speaker 1: I was like, no, this has Serial Killer five. I
Speaker 1: have a couple of photos I have shared in this
Speaker 1: which I will share with you, my dear audience, of
Speaker 1: a ghost God. The second photo is horrifying. Oh god,
Speaker 1: and now it's in like a contraption and it's got
Speaker 1: a boner. Yeah, we'll talk about uh. Yeah, so it's uh,
Speaker 1: there are three three bat picks on the the document.
Speaker 1: One the bat is looking very innocent and cute, second
Speaker 1: one is opening its mouth to all of its frightening
Speaker 1: little teeth, and the third one is actually about under sedation.
Speaker 1: And I did that so you could see its wingspan.
Speaker 1: And only after I like put it in the dock,
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's got a boner. That's so weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got the caption and then once I did, it's
Speaker 1: the only thing I can look at now it's really weird.
Speaker 1: M hm. Uh. So what what do they? What do
Speaker 1: they look like? They have really big ears, really tall ears. Uh.
Speaker 1: They've got a little snub nose that's like a leaf
Speaker 1: shaped nose and it points straight upwards. They are a
Speaker 1: kind of pallid white color mixed with some gray, and
Speaker 1: they are about four to five inches long or ten
Speaker 1: to twelve centimeter, along with a wingspan of about eight
Speaker 1: inches or twenty centimeters. And uh, it's like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like if you crossed a bunny with a possum
Speaker 1: and then gave it bat wings. Mm hmm, possum. I
Speaker 1: guess it's also in the first photo where it's looking cute,
Speaker 1: it has like Steve Bishemy mouth. Uh. And it's like,
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of seeing it as like Steve Fishemy
Speaker 1: and is a bit of a boot Boushemy bad, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Definitely it's and now that it's a killer, it's definitely
Speaker 1: him and con Air, But like Boushemmy, it's like they're
Speaker 1: they're a little weird looking but also kind of cute.
Speaker 1: You know. Sure it has angles that work for it.
Speaker 1: I think I think Boushemmy, He's he's charming, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Right, It's but that second picture that's
Speaker 1: what I see in my nightmares. I went from acute
Speaker 1: and charming to just pure nightmare fuel like Busheny Like like,
Speaker 1: uh so remember when I mentioned that these ghost bats
Speaker 1: enjoy murder? Boy do they? So they are one of
Speaker 1: many predatory bats, but These guys are extra spooky as
Speaker 1: they are ambush predators, so they hang from trees like
Speaker 1: ghostly fruit, silently waiting for unsuspecting prey to wander close enough.
Speaker 1: They can hear prey up to sixty five ft away
Speaker 1: or twenty meters away. They will wait until they pick
Speaker 1: up movement like from a locust or a small mammal,
Speaker 1: a small reptile, even small birds, and then they will
Speaker 1: drop from their perch and snatch their prey from the
Speaker 1: ground or even from mid air. They even prey on
Speaker 1: smaller bat species. They can detect echolocation of small bats
Speaker 1: and then zero in on them for the kill. Horrifying.
Speaker 1: It's like cannibal. Well, it's technically not their own species,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you know their brethren, right, it'd be like us,
Speaker 1: like eating some gorilla pie or something. This, uh, which
Speaker 1: is a horror horrifying thought. I feel like it would
Speaker 1: be very gamy. Is it This might be a question
Speaker 1: you do know? Is it fast? Because I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, you hear something so far away. I feel
Speaker 1: like this guy has just said dart. I don't know
Speaker 1: how fast they are. My guests would be like, you know,
Speaker 1: relatively fast, because they do sometimes drop from the tree
Speaker 1: like down onto their prey, so probably they get to
Speaker 1: they get that speed of like dropping from thee and
Speaker 1: then unflfurling their wings, so they kind of dive bombed
Speaker 1: their prey sometimes. So yeah, I think, uh, maybe not
Speaker 1: like the fastest of all the bats or because they
Speaker 1: seem to rely on the element of surprise to get
Speaker 1: their prey, but probably faster than they you want them
Speaker 1: to be if you are a small mammal or a
Speaker 1: locust or have your reptile. Have you ever like I
Speaker 1: had to run in with a bat. I have never
Speaker 1: physically made contact with a bat, but there was a
Speaker 1: bat in my sixth grade camp dormitory room that freaked
Speaker 1: out all the girls and there. Yeah, yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: horrible token. I had had a run in with a
Speaker 1: batwall camping. I was like leaving the camp bathroom at night, uh,
Speaker 1: the campground bathroom and like walking back to my tent
Speaker 1: and I got like dive bombed by one. And it's
Speaker 1: like getting attacked by the biggest bug you've ever seen,
Speaker 1: like a big furry bug. It's horrified, it's startling. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't know what it is. You think, like
Speaker 1: I thought it was the biggest bug in the world,
Speaker 1: like the world's ever seen, had flown into my head.
Speaker 1: And then I found out it was a bat, and
Speaker 1: it got so much worse. Yeah. I actually read a
Speaker 1: story about a woman and we'll talk about this in
Speaker 1: a little bit who had a bit of a raby
Speaker 1: scare because she thought it was like a moth. Uh
Speaker 1: that like a huge moth that hit her face. But
Speaker 1: then she turned on the light and it was a bat. Horrible,
Speaker 1: a ghost bat. No, she'd be dead. These those teeth
Speaker 1: are no joke. They are no joke. They actually so
Speaker 1: this might not be something that bird lovers really want
Speaker 1: to hear, But they love to eat budgies or as
Speaker 1: we know them in the US, parakeets. So those cute,
Speaker 1: little colorable, those cute, little colorful birds. I've had them
Speaker 1: as pets. Lots of people have had them as pets.
Speaker 1: They're adorable and sweet. These ghost bats love to eat them.
Speaker 1: Where where do they live? They live in like a
Speaker 1: tropical in Australia. This, Yeah, they yeah, they zero in
Speaker 1: on the birds chattering in their roots. Like if you've
Speaker 1: ever had like a parakeet, you know, they make that
Speaker 1: cute little like, yeah, yeah, they're a loud and so
Speaker 1: the ghost bats will hone in on them and just
Speaker 1: like snatch them up and they eat them head first
Speaker 1: and discard the feet and wings like their pistachio shells.
Speaker 1: It's drying. I mean, I would imagine those are the
Speaker 1: gross part of the parakeet. Oh, the head probably isn't great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know how because like I read this source
Speaker 1: and then saying they eat them head first, it's like
Speaker 1: what do they do with the beak? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, the head feels like it has some
Speaker 1: most bone, right, And I mean I guess the brains
Speaker 1: are meat. Brains is meat. It's true. Brains is meat.
Speaker 1: But in a bird that's that's a very little piece.
Speaker 1: He mean I mean no, but you're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: physically small amount. Yeah, I got I got tiny brains.
Speaker 1: So uh it's it's I guess is that just like
Speaker 1: maybe it's a humane kill. I don't think they care.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the intention. I think it's to
Speaker 1: kill it as quickly as possible so that they don't
Speaker 1: have a bird you know, yeah, because like what's the
Speaker 1: alternative eating them like cloaca first? No, because like I
Speaker 1: don't know, as as discussed, I don't think the head
Speaker 1: would be where you really get the nutrients of the bird. Um, well,
Speaker 1: brains are pretty they do have like brains do have
Speaker 1: a lot of good nutrients in them. Technically speaking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I eat bird uh right, but you know
Speaker 1: my bird brains. I don't eat bird brain eat you know,
Speaker 1: I eat the body of the bird, right, well, they
Speaker 1: do eat the body of the bird. They just like
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would think if I were this bat
Speaker 1: to get the most to be the most conscious about
Speaker 1: using because like what, you you chomp the head, then
Speaker 1: the body falls for some reason, I'm imagining this all
Speaker 1: happening mid air, because we're talking about birds probably hanging
Speaker 1: upside down with this poor poor dead burden there. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably a dive bomb because I just imagine then
Speaker 1: the body drops and then you've got to find you
Speaker 1: gotta find it. It's a mess. It's not a clean kill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. Yeah, I wonder if it's sort of
Speaker 1: like a banana situation where they kind of like chew
Speaker 1: off the head and then kind of go from there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you have to split the
Speaker 1: top of the banana to get run into the banana
Speaker 1: and maybe it wraps it in its wings, which is
Speaker 1: another thing I do not like about this bat. Oh
Speaker 1: the wings is the wings I don't I don't like
Speaker 1: that I can see through them. You don't like how
Speaker 1: membranous they are? Yeah, yeah, that I can see, like
Speaker 1: like they look like spider webs. Pretty venous. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: see right through them and all the like tendons and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I don't like that. Well, you know, like everyone's
Speaker 1: at critic when it comes to see through venous wings,
Speaker 1: I guess. But in terms of like should we be
Speaker 1: scared of these ghost bats? Are they a threat to humans?
Speaker 1: And I would say, generally speaking, no, We're too big
Speaker 1: for them to consider us prey. Uh. In fact, according
Speaker 1: to some sources I read, they are rather docile and
Speaker 1: hesitant to approach humans little alone attack them. Like all bats.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you should handle them. You should not
Speaker 1: just pick up a bat. Don't do it less in
Speaker 1: the hard way. This year, let's stay away from batspeople
Speaker 1: stay away from bats, of them their space. It's interesting
Speaker 1: because it rabies is not really problem in Australia, does
Speaker 1: not actually naturally occur in other animals in Australia. That's shocking.
Speaker 1: But the Australian bat Lisa virus actually does exist, and
Speaker 1: so it's that the Lisa virus is similar to rabies,
Speaker 1: but it's technically different virus than rabies. Um, So, while
Speaker 1: I don't think that the ghost bats have rabies, they
Speaker 1: may carry Australian bat lisa virus. That sounds bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's deadly. Only three cases of human infection have occurred since.
Speaker 1: So I don't want people in Australia to panic, although
Speaker 1: I feel like people in Australia are probably pretty unflappable
Speaker 1: at this point. Like, yeah, I don't think they're a
Speaker 1: panicky people. No, I don't think, Well yeah, still don't.
Speaker 1: Still don't mess with the bats. It's rude to the bats.
Speaker 1: But also, you know, you don't want to be one
Speaker 1: of the few you people who get Australian bat lice virus. So,
Speaker 1: like I read this this thing from an Australian zoo
Speaker 1: talking about how like their handlers for these bats need
Speaker 1: to get a vaccine for lice virus because like, while
Speaker 1: it's extremely unlikely they're gonna get it, why risk it us?
Speaker 1: So yeah, um, um, but also you can be afraid
Speaker 1: of this thing's giant boner. And the thing is I
Speaker 1: shared this picture with you because I had to. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what the context is
Speaker 1: for it. I don't know why this bat is understoodation.
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's got a big old morning would.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't have any answers. I
Speaker 1: just thought you might want to see it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do like it's little helmet. I do think the anesthesia
Speaker 1: helmet is kind of yeah, it's because when also like
Speaker 1: usually when you get anesthesia, right like you get uh
Speaker 1: maybe like an injection of something like ivy or like
Speaker 1: if you're getting nitrous oxide, you get a little nose thing.
Speaker 1: But animals too small, these they're too small for stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So basically they just put a big cone
Speaker 1: over their head that's like full of the the feel
Speaker 1: good sleep gas. And then it's like so funny to
Speaker 1: me to see various surgeries on tiny animals like I
Speaker 1: saw I think a goldfish surgery and they just had
Speaker 1: this like helmet of I guess anesthetic for the goldfish
Speaker 1: and we're doing surgery on a goldfish. Is like what
Speaker 1: how is this And what is the point of doing
Speaker 1: surgery on a goldfish it's got three more days to
Speaker 1: live with anything, like even if those three more days,
Speaker 1: it's going to live its life to the fullest in
Speaker 1: those three days. I don't it really seems like a
Speaker 1: waste of money to do you want to you want
Speaker 1: to tell that goldfish that just because it's got a
Speaker 1: torn a c l that it can't compete in the
Speaker 1: Olympics bridget athlete. I don't think goldfish have a seals. Actually, no,
Speaker 1: that's a that's in your knee. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: they have knees. They have joints, but they don't have knees,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they have joints. That's it. I I what
Speaker 1: I like about this helmet is that it kind of
Speaker 1: looks like the catwoman helmet because it has like little
Speaker 1: it seems too from the angle have little uh like
Speaker 1: flaps for like a little space for its ears. Nice
Speaker 1: and I like that a lot. Yeah, Wait, there's a
Speaker 1: catwoman helmet that has space for her ears. Well, the
Speaker 1: the catwoman um helmets the wrong term, but mask she's
Speaker 1: got yours as earsh If Batman's in space, does he
Speaker 1: have to have a space helmet that's got space for
Speaker 1: his ears, like a little ovens for his ears. I
Speaker 1: I would imagine he has designed alf I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: Lucius has designed some some cool like cowels space helmet. Hey, so,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel like I imagine like a NASA
Speaker 1: space helmet with like two bulbs room for his ear
Speaker 1: point ees and then it looks if if we know
Speaker 1: anything about Batman, it's got ears. He has artists, could
Speaker 1: you guys, if anyone could do art of what you
Speaker 1: think of bat Man in a helmet would possibly look
Speaker 1: like if you agree with my version, which is Batman
Speaker 1: in his bat mask, but he's also in a NASA helmet,
Speaker 1: but it's got two little points, two little nuvens for
Speaker 1: his ears to fit in. I think it's also funny
Speaker 1: if he's in a space helmet but still wearing the
Speaker 1: cowl too. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, right, Like, so,
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about designing a space helmet
Speaker 1: that looks like the cowl. No, no, because like if
Speaker 1: he's at the super space station, right, he's got to
Speaker 1: go in and out like he's doing a spacewalk punching
Speaker 1: space Joker. But then he's got to go back inside
Speaker 1: of the superhero a space station, and then what's he
Speaker 1: gonna do? Take off his entire secret identity helmet. No,
Speaker 1: because like he's got to take it off in front
Speaker 1: of other superheroes while still protecting his identity. So he's
Speaker 1: got to have a mask under the helmet. So what
Speaker 1: is he gonna So it's more bizarre to have a
Speaker 1: space helmet shaped like a bat mask and you take
Speaker 1: it off and there's another bat mask underneath. I say
Speaker 1: he should wear the NASA bubble helmet with ear with
Speaker 1: ear space space for his ear ear accommodation, uh nodules.
Speaker 1: That yeah, that makes sense because like also if the
Speaker 1: if the villain was inside the space station, he would
Speaker 1: have to take off the helmet, right And honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't trust the Flash either, he's a gossip. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, these bets, these real life bats, much cooler
Speaker 1: than Batman in my opinion, not just because the big boner,
Speaker 1: but they're willing to kill, right, Like if the Joker
Speaker 1: had an actual ghost bat, like a man bat, that's
Speaker 1: like bitten by a radioactive ghost bat, and the now
Speaker 1: is like man bat Joker would be so screwed. He
Speaker 1: just like like the Joker would be like, I have
Speaker 1: devised a posson for you to save God, oh God,
Speaker 1: and he just like grab him and eat him face first.
Speaker 1: Ghost Bat doesn't hesitate. No, Ghost Bat doesn't. Ghost Bat
Speaker 1: doesn't have like a complex about his parents. Ghost Back
Speaker 1: just kills for the fun of killing. And ghost Bat
Speaker 1: is obviously played by Steve Busching, obviously perfect. We did it,
Speaker 1: so bridget ghost dogs. Yes, ghost dogs. I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: ghost Dog isn't a movie. Actually, I'm gonna google it
Speaker 1: ghost to be a ghost dog movie. What's that? Well
Speaker 1: that I mean inherently means it's a movie about a
Speaker 1: dead dog, which is yeah, I mean there's a crime
Speaker 1: crime film, but I don't think it has actual ghost
Speaker 1: dogs in it, so it doesn't count. Mm hmm. I
Speaker 1: would like to see like a sequel to what's it
Speaker 1: called the one with Kiana Reeves where it's just a
Speaker 1: Kiana Reeves killing people. John Wick john Wick, Like a
Speaker 1: sequel to john Wick where it's like John Wick Ghost
Speaker 1: Dog Protocol and it's the key little Beagles ghost coming
Speaker 1: back to life, sort of like when we talked about
Speaker 1: earlier with a caspar the ghost and then the little
Speaker 1: baby Fox comes back to life as a ghosts Beagle
Speaker 1: comes back as a ghost, but it has ghost guns
Speaker 1: and ghost powers and so it fights alongside John Wick
Speaker 1: on Wick and oh and it's crossover with Constantine because
Speaker 1: like now John Wick is Constantine also played by Gary
Speaker 1: Reeves and fighting bad guys and demons. Yes, and also
Speaker 1: the ghost dog can then fulfill it's unfinished business at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, and like they can have
Speaker 1: a nice cathartic night of like ghost Dog, you've fulfilled
Speaker 1: your unfinished business of vengeance, right, you have more unfinished business?
Speaker 1: Or let me get some poopy bags, will go outside.
Speaker 1: But ghost dogs, they're real. They're real. But it is
Speaker 1: actually just a real animal, corporeal animal, and it refers
Speaker 1: to a secret society of canids living in the Amazon basin,
Speaker 1: So secret dogs. And I don't mean domesticated dogs or
Speaker 1: domesticated dogs that went back out into the wild. But
Speaker 1: this is a genuine wild canid species distinct from wolves
Speaker 1: and dogs, and they are the only member of the
Speaker 1: genus Attila kindness. They are also known as short eared dogs,
Speaker 1: so they look very distinct from domesticated dogs and from wolves,
Speaker 1: so they have short, stubby ears and ash brown, short
Speaker 1: smooth fur. They don't really look like a dog to me.
Speaker 1: They actually look more like a faussa, which is that
Speaker 1: strange kind of philoforma carnivore endemic to Madagascar. I think
Speaker 1: we've talked about the fassa before on the show, but
Speaker 1: if you google fassa you'll see what I mean. It
Speaker 1: is almost like how to describe these guys. It's like
Speaker 1: you took a mongoose and tried to run it on
Speaker 1: a dog operating system. Well, the first and second picture
Speaker 1: look very different to me. The first picture looks like
Speaker 1: it's a dog bear. M hm, dog Uh is how
Speaker 1: I describe that guy. But then when I see it
Speaker 1: on this from its profile on its side, for you,
Speaker 1: it's it's more ferret like, right, It's like a ferret fox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one might be. It looks a little skinnier too,
Speaker 1: so that one might be like a younger one because
Speaker 1: in the bottom picture goes back to looking kind of
Speaker 1: like a dog bear again. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a mongoose dog and a bear fox. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, they're lovely they're lovely beatle animals. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they would kill me, but I want cuddle. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: the thing is they are extremely elusive, so they'd probably
Speaker 1: sooner run away from you than kill you. They are
Speaker 1: so secretive and shy. There is very little information known
Speaker 1: about them, especially for such a large animal. Usually we
Speaker 1: are pretty good at studying the larger animals, but these
Speaker 1: guys are very hysterious. We hardly even know their dietary habits.
Speaker 1: So from scat analysis, they seem to be omnivorous, eating
Speaker 1: meat and fruit. So scat analysis is you know they're
Speaker 1: going in there poop uh and and looking for stuff,
Speaker 1: and they found some meat and fruit. And there are
Speaker 1: some recent video documentation from November that showed a ghost
Speaker 1: dog scavenging and armadilla carcass, which some people say maybe
Speaker 1: maybe that means that they're a scavenger, but we just
Speaker 1: we literally have so little footage of them and evidence.
Speaker 1: Who knows, like this could just be a one off behavior.
Speaker 1: They could scavenge sometimes and hunt other times, like lots
Speaker 1: of animals who are hunters also scavenged, So it's like
Speaker 1: even the minimal amount of video footage we have of
Speaker 1: them doesn't really give us a whole picture of what
Speaker 1: these mystery dogs are up to. Huh, that's that's cool.
Speaker 1: I respect that. I like an elusive dog. I know
Speaker 1: they're off the grid. They're like the Jason Bourne of
Speaker 1: the animal world, just like spy dogs, off the grid,
Speaker 1: eluding researchers, having a low profile. Yeah, I like that,
Speaker 1: just like off the grid in the Amazon, live in
Speaker 1: their lives, don't want to be found. Yeah. No, they're
Speaker 1: not interested in all not interesting. Look, I've seen what
Speaker 1: you did. I've seen what you've done to dogs in
Speaker 1: the above, and that's that's embarrassing. One look at the
Speaker 1: ship soon and it was like no, no, not for me, thanks, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, no no. I saw one dog in a
Speaker 1: Halloween costume and they're like absolutely not. I saw a
Speaker 1: pug dressed as a weener dog like Chris is a
Speaker 1: as a hot dog and they're like, no, no thing,
Speaker 1: opt out. Yeah, you're not going to breed me. You
Speaker 1: can't tame this beast. I'm gonna just hide in the woods.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet, it's yeah. Another behavior they've been seen
Speaker 1: to do is they use the burrows of giant armadillas
Speaker 1: as their own, so they just kind of like find
Speaker 1: a burrow that another animal has dug, and they'll go
Speaker 1: and seek refuge in that. They seem from the limited
Speaker 1: information that I found about them, they just seem very resourceful,
Speaker 1: secretive and clandestine. And yeah, that's that's like a Tom
Speaker 1: Sawyer of dogs. Like you, you built this fence for me?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, and i'll and I'll eat your carcass. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: the very Tom Sawyer. Yeah. I didn't finish the book,
Speaker 1: but I assume that's how it ends. Tom Sawyer gets
Speaker 1: the kid to paint the fence and then he eats
Speaker 1: the kid head first. That's why that's where it seemed
Speaker 1: like it was going. Yeah, but I know that I
Speaker 1: don't really have to lecture uh, my audience on wanting
Speaker 1: to say the rainforest. But if you guys want to
Speaker 1: lecture someone else on wanting to save the rainforest, I
Speaker 1: think that if you say, hey, there's secret puppies there,
Speaker 1: that might convince some people that that is a good
Speaker 1: that is a good sway. Especially this first picture where
Speaker 1: it looks like a bear dog. It is very cute.
Speaker 1: It's got big old pause, got big old pause, it's
Speaker 1: got boop snoot. I do want to boop the snoop
Speaker 1: the obviously look disclaimer, I'm not going to boot the snoot.
Speaker 1: It's first of all, I literally could not find one
Speaker 1: of these dogs no matter how hard I tried. Probably
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously you don't want to boot the
Speaker 1: snoot of wild animal. But between you and me, Bridget,
Speaker 1: just you and me, nobody else, I really want to
Speaker 1: boot the snoot. It looks like it's got cold wet nos.
Speaker 1: It looks like a scot cold windos that could boop.
Speaker 1: It is a happy dog. It's got a big fluffy tail,
Speaker 1: flashy tail. You give a little EGI little scratches around
Speaker 1: the neck when it's happy. Probably wags, probably wags, Probably
Speaker 1: does a little sniff sniffs, little sniff niffs. Can you shake?
Speaker 1: Can you shake? But very very trainable dogs. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I am getting as much as I respect how elusive
Speaker 1: they've been. Um, I do want to find out more
Speaker 1: about these dogs because canines are quite intelligent, and I
Speaker 1: am curious about like what their what their social life
Speaker 1: is like, because it doesn't seem like they would follow
Speaker 1: the same rules that wolves would follow in terms of
Speaker 1: like pack structure, because their whole diet in their whole
Speaker 1: lifestyle is probably very different. So I'm really interested, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they they do not want me to know. It's also
Speaker 1: so interesting that there's a dog in a type of
Speaker 1: dog I guess in the rainforest. It's hot. It's hot,
Speaker 1: and hume with there, and these guys look like they
Speaker 1: have a thick coat. Yeah, it's an interesting coat though,
Speaker 1: because it really doesn't look dog like, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it doesn't it's bear like or like
Speaker 1: a panther even, you know what I mean. It's just
Speaker 1: surprising that we just know so little about them, Like
Speaker 1: do they have do they have like some like in
Speaker 1: the middle of the forest they have like some tree
Speaker 1: stump that they do like some kind of paw like
Speaker 1: pattern of paw presses and then like a tree opens
Speaker 1: up and there's this whole like underground civilization of like
Speaker 1: super intelligent dogs or something. I also because like there
Speaker 1: are so many videos of dog and dog like creatures
Speaker 1: making friends with other animals, So I just wonder if
Speaker 1: they're like hanging out with that aunt eaters right, Like
Speaker 1: there's probably a zutopia down there, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because utopia, Yeah, I mean, you said they might not
Speaker 1: be pack animals. But it's like you say dog and
Speaker 1: you would think they have buddies, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They they could be pack animals. I think it would
Speaker 1: be a little strange for something like the rainforest. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I just I don't know, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone knows. Because they're they're Jason Bourne.
Speaker 1: They leave no trace. Mystery dog. I like that. I
Speaker 1: like a dog with an edge. Dogs don't have enough edge,
Speaker 1: edgy dogs whatever, just a dog, I guess. Uh well,
Speaker 1: I think that I'll do it for our Haunting, our
Speaker 1: ghost Hunter part of the show. I do want it.
Speaker 1: Before we go, I had a couple of emails that
Speaker 1: I thought were too good not to share. We talked
Speaker 1: about the Cicada brewed X, the mass hatching of cicadas
Speaker 1: with Mara Wilson. Uh well, I hope you don't mind
Speaker 1: this email then, which I mean, yeah, hit me, Hi, Katie.
Speaker 1: I experienced the Cicada brewed once during that time. Apparently
Speaker 1: Cicada ice cream came up with it. I never tried it,
Speaker 1: but it was a thing that some people liked. Hearing
Speaker 1: you talk about them reminded me of it. I love
Speaker 1: your podcast. It's so fun to listen to. Sincerely Natalie.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in uh that it seems that cicada ice
Speaker 1: cream is a thing. Um, yeah, they're bugs, don't eat them.
Speaker 1: There's like a ice cream shop in Cicada, or an
Speaker 1: ice cream shop in Columbia, Missouri, which like they collected
Speaker 1: dead cicadas from their backyards and then boiled them and
Speaker 1: then covered them in brown sugar and basically candied the
Speaker 1: cicadas and then put them into the ice cream. And
Speaker 1: apparently like it was so popular it just like instantly
Speaker 1: sold out. But then like the Department of Health and
Speaker 1: Human Services was like the food code doesn't directly address cicadas,
Speaker 1: but we advised against him. You can't serve bugs. You
Speaker 1: could serve bugs. I'm not sure about this. Like for me,
Speaker 1: the just putting candied to the kid is an ice cream.
Speaker 1: There's something about that that creeps me out. Um, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm less sort of grossed out by just like using
Speaker 1: bugs and cuisine when you're not trying to like just
Speaker 1: put them in an ice cream. For some reason, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's like when a bug is just randomly
Speaker 1: inserted into ice cream. I think of like, oh, bugs
Speaker 1: got into ice cream and that's bad. But if you're
Speaker 1: like a pro chef and you're like, here is a
Speaker 1: cricket taco I have lovingly crafted, Like, Okay, I see that,
Speaker 1: not necessarily saying I would eat it. You can't just
Speaker 1: cover things in sugar and chocolate and tell people to
Speaker 1: eat it. It's not fair. It's not fair. It's really
Speaker 1: not fair. It's cheating. But I got this other email
Speaker 1: from someone who writes Hi, Katie. I was binge listening
Speaker 1: to podcast yesterday and during the brood x episode, you're
Speaker 1: talking about consuming bugs and how you would prefer that
Speaker 1: over cand asparagus. So I thought I would share with
Speaker 1: you an Instagram account that I follow, just to make
Speaker 1: a note to the listeners. I did say that that's
Speaker 1: more of an indictment of canadasparagus than it is an
Speaker 1: indication of my willingness to eat bugs. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it sounded like to me. The email continues, Joseph,
Speaker 1: you and with Brooklyn Bugs makes Gore made dishes with
Speaker 1: bugs and insects that I thought you would find cool.
Speaker 1: The kimchi scorpions in deep fried cricket mac and cheese bites,
Speaker 1: looks awesome. Have a fabulous week, Kaylee, Thank you, Kaylee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I looked at this instagram. It is what's the instagram?
Speaker 1: It is Brooklyn Bugs if you want to check it
Speaker 1: out all. But yeah, I gotta say these things do
Speaker 1: genuinely look pretty good. I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: have the hutzpa to actually eat this stuff, Like I
Speaker 1: would love to say like, oh yeah, I would, no problem,
Speaker 1: Like I'll eat a bug like I wish I could
Speaker 1: say that. No. I mean, I think it's a good
Speaker 1: thing to start to work out, like start to eliminate
Speaker 1: the stigma of eating bugs, because I think they are
Speaker 1: a sustainable, perfectly fine and healthy source of protein. But God,
Speaker 1: cultural indoctrination is so strong it's hard. It is hard
Speaker 1: to get over. Like some of these things, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't. I I would have a hard time. But
Speaker 1: some of them do look good, like the kimchi scorpion,
Speaker 1: which is what I think I'm looking at. M I
Speaker 1: could maybe do that. It's hard to wrap my head around, right,
Speaker 1: it looks. The weird thing is it looks appetizing a
Speaker 1: lot of them, But I don't I still don't know
Speaker 1: if I could get past the mental blockade of I'm
Speaker 1: eating an insect like it's and it's I totally admit
Speaker 1: that's like my fault. It's not, you know, but it's
Speaker 1: sure it's your fault. But it's like, well, not my fault,
Speaker 1: but my own psychology. It's not that the food is
Speaker 1: objectively gross. It's that my own psychological barriers do not
Speaker 1: want me to eat bugs. The weird thing is ants,
Speaker 1: Like the idea of eating ants is not as gross
Speaker 1: to me. That does not bother me either, you know.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if it's because I remember as a
Speaker 1: kid I used to just eat ants out of curios.
Speaker 1: I think it because they're small. They're small, and like
Speaker 1: textually there's not there's not like a big crunch factor,
Speaker 1: but there's also not there like a sprinkle, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're like sprinkles, like you sprinkle some ants on my
Speaker 1: ice cream, you know. I mean, I'm not gonna notice that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I'd probably noticed it, to be honest, I might
Speaker 1: not appreciate it, but I might still eat the ice cream,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. But I've definitely eaten like ants.
Speaker 1: I've definitely been at a picnic and have eaten an
Speaker 1: ant like right, that has been on my sandwich. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like if people people who say they like the
Speaker 1: taste of insects, I trust them, and I trust that
Speaker 1: it probably tastes good. I don't know. I think it
Speaker 1: would take a lot of work for me to get
Speaker 1: over the cultural uh, the cultural norms that I've been
Speaker 1: taught since I was a kid of like don't don't,
Speaker 1: oh God, stop putting that in your mouth. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would definitely. I I wonder if I looked at this
Speaker 1: instagram and wasn't told it was bugs, if it would
Speaker 1: bother me like my thing. I think I would. I
Speaker 1: could eat it and like it, but you would have
Speaker 1: to tell me afterwards that it was bugs, right, right exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean if you, for instance, like if you have
Speaker 1: cricket meal, right, because that you eliminate the shape of
Speaker 1: the cricket with that, you grind up crickets into a meal,
Speaker 1: and then you make like cricket meal cookies or something,
Speaker 1: and I eat that cookie, I'll pry enjoy it if
Speaker 1: I'm mid bite and then you're like, hey, that's made
Speaker 1: out of crickets, I'm no no longer going to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's all psychological. It's a high precent psychological. It's psychological.
Speaker 1: I I also have like this image of and maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I'm a person who like the texture of food. Really,
Speaker 1: you can bother me. Oh yeah, absolutely, I totally understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: super picky because of all, it's like a textual thing
Speaker 1: and it's got nothing to do with whether the food
Speaker 1: is bad or good or anything. It's just a I
Speaker 1: didn't eat mashed potatoes for years from my entire childhood
Speaker 1: because I didn't like the grainy texture of it. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: or potatoes at all. I didn't like the texture of
Speaker 1: potatoes really interesting. Yeah yeah, I still eate potatoes, but
Speaker 1: any yeah, anything too mushy freaks me out. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the other block that
Speaker 1: I feel like a bug an insect would have like
Speaker 1: a deep crunch and then a really squishy inside. It
Speaker 1: depends on the to me by Timon and Puma of
Speaker 1: the Lion King. I don't know if that's accurate some
Speaker 1: of I mean, maybe not, but in my head, and
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Some of them for sure, like
Speaker 1: witchety bugs or witty grubs. Do you have like cicada
Speaker 1: would probably be crunchy and then really gush. I don't
Speaker 1: really know if they'd have the gusher's effect. Maybe Okay,
Speaker 1: anyone who's eating bugs right into me and give me
Speaker 1: a full on analysis of the mouth feel of different bugs, please, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe that will help us get over our mental You know,
Speaker 1: shrimp are basically like marine bugs. But I actually don't
Speaker 1: shrimp freak me up sometimes. Yeah, exactly like I think shrimp.
Speaker 1: But if I think too much about what I'm eating,
Speaker 1: I'll stop. I think this might be a you and
Speaker 1: me problem. I think maybe we're wed. I think I
Speaker 1: think calamari. I love calamari, but like the minute I'm
Speaker 1: reminded of what calamari is, I stop eating it right
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah? I well, yeah, I just like I
Speaker 1: feel bad when I eat octopus because I think they're
Speaker 1: like the puppies of the sea. Yeah, but it's there,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, no, no, I'm on the same page with you.
Speaker 1: But uh, but we we can talk. We might be
Speaker 1: about about every food we don't like. We'll do that
Speaker 1: off Mike will spare you. Guys are a long conversation
Speaker 1: because I feel like we're just discovering this about each
Speaker 1: other and we're excited that, Like you hate food. I
Speaker 1: hate food too. Awesome, you're a weirdo. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: We do that, but like I don't like the mouth field,
Speaker 1: I also don't like the mouth field. This is great. Well,
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