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Speaker 4: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: It is Friday, October second, twenty twenty, and it is

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Speaker 3: time donks from Morning Combat. Hi everyone, My name is

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas and one half of your hosting deo' from

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports. Also from CBS Sports. Also on the screen,

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Speaker 3: just the other side of it, the conspiracy to my theory,

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Speaker 3: my hat wearing friend. Two shows in a row. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's Brian Campbell High BC.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Luke.

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Speaker 1: I went from a homemade haircut to back in the

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Speaker 1: actual barber chair. Maybe a little too high and tight, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we'll we'll hat it up a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: But the same old fun three times a charm, three

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Speaker 1: live MK shows coming your you know, all week every week.

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Speaker 2: So uh, this is the third of week one.

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Speaker 1: Luke very excited, fresh off the double pay per view

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Speaker 1: lot to get into and to continue.

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Speaker 2: Uh maybe a little dark night review today as well,

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Speaker 2: so should be good.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, let me ask you, seeing how many haircuts we've

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Speaker 3: Board shorts? So the way to go? We have a

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Speaker 3: lot to get to on today's show. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: as you indicate it, we have a we have a

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Speaker 3: Dark Night review that we're gonna do. You had not

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of emails, so all that came

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Speaker 3: out pretty great. BC as always video thumbs up. Hit

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Speaker 3: least here if you want to try Showtime, we certainly

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Speaker 3: can't go to showtime dot com. You can get a

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Speaker 3: If not, you can pound sand and the Charlow Brothers

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Speaker 1: Check out what you what you saw on pay per

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Speaker 2: Very obvious question about your dad? And is this hard

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Speaker 3: It's just we're we're so far from that that that's

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Speaker 3: That is debatable. That is debatable. I would. I would

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Speaker 3: it would. I'm just saying, you know, if they had

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Speaker 1: But you know, let's see, you know, a gun to

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Speaker 1: Lasting a tremendous coach, by the way, and following in

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Speaker 1: many of these guys are gonna be fighting in Abu

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Speaker 3: Okay, And then there's a I mean, he also hit

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Speaker 3: If he stops about take down once, I'm gonna try

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Speaker 3: twice a hundred times. That to me is a foregone conclusion.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think too much of it.

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Speaker 1: It's one fighter who just happened to be, you know,

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Speaker 1: Anytime soon you're gonna see him, you know, go out

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Speaker 1: I did think that this, you know whatever it was

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Speaker 2: Good lord, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: It also reminded me of we're already in this historic

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Speaker 1: A little honky gunky how he got here, but this

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, I can't tell if he's more visible

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Speaker 1: It's both but popular, you know, it's never confused with beloved, right,

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Speaker 2: No, he's just just famous. He's just famous, and he's

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Speaker 1: And hopefully he didn't get the full rub and catch

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he heals up from.

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Speaker 1: His battle with nineteen. But yeah, he has made taken

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Speaker 1: you could link yourself with and get a ticket to

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Speaker 2: On camera actually yelling greatest president of all time? He

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Speaker 1: Cards well, Luke, LOVEM or hate him. So yes, he's

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Speaker 3: Is there a lessons Is there a kind of pro

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Speaker 3: Is there anything like that?

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Speaker 2: Not really, not not really, I mean, you know, not really.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's you know, there's just like in.

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Speaker 1: for being absolutely amazing in the ring, but you know,

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Speaker 1: aren't beloved and don't don't move merch and all that stuff.

437
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Speaker 1: But look, Colby's getting by on the gimmick even though

438
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Speaker 1: he's a really great fighter. Like mentioned, he's famous for

439
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 1: the gimmick, Luke, he's not famous for being a number

440
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Speaker 1: one contender for the title.

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Speaker 3: All Right, it takes us. Now, we'll come back to

442
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Speaker 3: home El Donna a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, one second, did you hear Habib who gave

444
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Speaker 1: plenty of great respect to Justin Gagie's trainer, Trevor Whitman,

445
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 1: But did you hear him, call him wit wit mickmhon.

446
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 2: That was fantastic shout out.

447
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 3: I did not I did not hear that. I only

448
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 3: read the articles. That's interesting. Uh okay, So then let's

449
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Speaker 3: go down to Bellator three pieces of Bellatore news to

450
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Speaker 3: get to first, speaking of Nimerica Madoff, the promotion announced

451
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Speaker 3: just an hour ago if that, that they had signed

452
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Speaker 3: Usman Nimerka Madoff, who is the cousin of Kabeb. He

453
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Speaker 3: will compete in their lightweight division. He is undefeated. I've

454
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Speaker 3: watched some tape on HIMBC. I know you have as well.

455
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Speaker 3: To what extent should fans be excited by this?

456
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Speaker 1: Pretty damn excited, I would say, And not just because oh,

457
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Speaker 1: this is somebody Habib trains with or somebody who shares

458
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Speaker 1: his last name. This is somebody, a cousin who's very

459
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Speaker 1: much like a brother to Habib and has been, you know,

460
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Speaker 1: sort of had an apprenticeship beside Habib.

461
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Speaker 2: On this entire journey.

462
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Speaker 1: He's what twenty four years old, he's eleven and zero

463
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Speaker 1: with ten stoppages. And look, you know, you can only

464
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Speaker 1: gauge the sort of regional competition as you climb the

465
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Speaker 1: ladder up to a certain degree, but you watch tape

466
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Speaker 1: of this guy and he absolutely pops.

467
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Speaker 2: Luke.

468
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Speaker 1: It's you know, you got the gritty wrestling, which is

469
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Speaker 1: the Nirmaga Medoff Dagistan trademark. But he's a much more

470
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: evolved striker and exciting fighter, very good in the Muay

471
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Speaker 1: Thai clinch, very good kick game.

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Speaker 2: When you originally.

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Speaker 1: Originally kind of came on the map last year as look,

474
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Speaker 1: this could be a guy who signs with a big promotion.

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Speaker 1: There were some of comparisons that he's not just Habib,

476
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Speaker 1: he's like Habib mixed with John Jones.

477
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Speaker 2: And Anderson Silva.

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Speaker 1: I maybe, look, we can you know, or Israel out

479
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Speaker 1: of time, we can pull back on that until we

480
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Speaker 1: see him at the elite level. But when you know

481
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Speaker 1: he's gonna have that it's a stereotype to say, but

482
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Speaker 1: you know he's gonna have that grit and toughness, Luke,

483
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 1: and then when he's got you know, an evolved, flashy style.

484
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: He trains at AKA under Havier Mendez. Like you said,

485
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Speaker 1: there's nobody better to train under for professionalism and and

486
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Speaker 1: all of that than Habib. This is a big signing

487
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Speaker 1: because Luke, when we talk about Belatore competing with UFC.

488
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: You know, Beltzer has known how to do the freak

489
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Speaker 1: fights for years. They know how to get the aging

490
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: former UFC guy, the chill Son Ands whatever, and can

491
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Speaker 1: still bring in.

492
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Speaker 2: Large, large job viewership.

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Speaker 1: And certainly they've done pretty well over the years and

494
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Speaker 1: signing guys like Ryan Bader, Benson Henderson, Roy McDonald's who

495
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Speaker 1: at that moment, we're still relatively within their prime within

496
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Speaker 1: UFC and we're big free agent choices coming across now.

497
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: Look, neither of those three guys.

498
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: Are monster draws, and even Rory has already moved on

499
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Speaker 1: from Belatore. But Belator's success long term under the idea

500
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Speaker 1: of competing or being a you know, absolutely legitimate number

501
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Speaker 1: two or even just an alternative number one.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna come from stuff like this. It's gonna come

503
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Speaker 2: from them signing Aaron Pico in high school.

504
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Speaker 1: And obviously that's a story that we don't know what

505
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Speaker 1: the ending is going to be through the ups and

506
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: downs he's had, but it's going to come from being

507
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Speaker 1: early on guys. You know, the MVPs of the world,

508
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Speaker 1: James Gallaher, who's going to be back this weekend.

509
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Speaker 2: You know, the pit Bull.

510
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: Brothers who's basically going wire to wire as Belitore stars

511
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Speaker 1: Michael Chandler who's now moved on.

512
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Speaker 2: But this is a strong move in that direction. This

513
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: guy seems to.

514
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Speaker 1: Be a plus level athlete and fighter and looking forward

515
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Speaker 1: to seeing how he plays out in that Belatore cage.

516
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Speaker 1: He's I believe he's a lightweight. I know he's fought

517
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Speaker 1: at one forty five before, but this is the.

518
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Speaker 3: Big move, Luke, Yeah, I mean you have to understand

519
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: the Cocher strategy. It's twofold. It is signed from the

520
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 3: top down and build from the ground up. This is

521
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: more of the latter, though in some ways it kind

522
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: of feels like the former, right because they're putting out

523
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: a press release for this guy. He's got the number

524
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Speaker 3: GA Madoff name, and for Belatore to be associated now

525
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: with that nimbera Madoff name, it is a sort of

526
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 3: his third party validation. But you're right, lightweight eleven and zero,

527
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Speaker 3: one of the sort of top prospects on the international scene.

528
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Speaker 3: Very different than it could be, much much more of

529
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 3: a ready striker, light on his feet, crisps, you know, punches,

530
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: good combinations, good in the clinch. You know, the full

531
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Speaker 3: totality of his ground game has not been tested, but

532
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Speaker 3: in Beltore that'll be a great place to do that.

533
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: Their lightweight division I think needs some reinforcement. So this

534
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: is a great guy to get. It's a no brainer

535
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: for Belatore. It's the easiest call to make. He's got

536
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 3: name value, he's got real value. They're probably gonna get him,

537
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: relatively speaking anyway, for cheap versus getting him, you know,

538
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: a few years down the road if they could. So

539
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Speaker 3: every part of this makes sense and I'm curious to

540
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Speaker 3: see what he can do in the cage.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, another big move for Ali there, manager of the stars.

542
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: But by the way, if your last name is Nermroccot

543
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Speaker 1: Madoff and your first name is Ousman, you better know

544
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Speaker 1: how to rustle.

545
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Speaker 2: Look, Okay, it's all I'm saying. You better be good

546
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Speaker 2: on the ground, all right, little bit of pressure.

547
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Speaker 3: So Beltore two forty seven was yesterday. This was Beltour's

548
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Speaker 3: technically its debut on CBS Sportsnet. Remember Paul Day was

549
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Speaker 3: supposed to headline the card against Derek Anderson. He ended

550
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 3: up not doing that because he had a weight cut injury.

551
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: And by the way, we didn't even put this in

552
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Speaker 3: the rundown, but it's worth mentioning. He then later took

553
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Speaker 3: to social media BC to say his next fight is

554
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: his last one hundred and seventy five pounds. He's hanging

555
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: up the gloves. I guess we'll have a conversation a

556
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: little bit later about what his legacy might be when

557
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: it comes down to it. But in the main event,

558
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: Denise keil Holt's taken on Kate Jackson. She wins at

559
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 3: just forty three seconds of the first round. Dude, this

560
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: is everything. Well, I thought it might go to the

561
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Speaker 3: ground because keil Holts has phenomenal judo literally international class judo,

562
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Speaker 3: and Jackson we knew had a great ground game loves

563
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 3: pulling from half guard, working underneath, doing hitting reversals, but

564
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 3: we didn't need to get there because kill Holts, we

565
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: also mentioned on Wednesday, was the Bellator Women's flyweight Kickboxing

566
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Speaker 3: World champion. She went in there and just demolished Kate

567
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 3: Jackson in forty three seconds. You can see the highlights here.

568
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: Look at this had her stumbling face first, worth to

569
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: the point BC, she bounced off the canvas. Denise Kilholts

570
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 3: speaks English, exciting fight style, decent smile on camera. You

571
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: can do something with.

572
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 2: That, Oh, you absolutely could.

573
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: And look, you got a fun champion in that division,

574
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Speaker 1: right a flyway, that's Alima McFarland's division. Correct, Luke, as

575
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: I butcher her name that you know, you want to

576
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: find contenders that you'd care about.

577
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: Look, this fight, Denise Kilholts kind of been put in

578
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: a tough spot. This card didn't have a lot of depth.

579
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: Obviously, it was a bathbreaker to see somebody like Paul Daley,

580
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: a known name and exciting quantity, you know, get pulled

581
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: off last minute. I wasn't sure when this was made

582
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: the main event Kilholtz was. And this is how you

583
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: do it right forty three seconds. I'm sure she's sorry

584
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: to miss Jackson's mother. You know, never meant to make

585
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: your daughter cry. But this was an absolutely vicious performance

586
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: and I want to see a lot more.

587
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Speaker 2: And I think at the very.

588
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Speaker 1: Least, Luke, we're not telling you this card was all killer,

589
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: no filler, at the very least, giving.

590
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: Us something to talk about and watch here and look

591
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 2: onto the future.

592
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Speaker 1: It was a plus there as Beltour's reloading with the

593
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Speaker 1: new era under CBS Sports Network.

594
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: Also, it deserves to be mentioned the card had eleven fights,

595
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 3: only two decisions four finishes out of four fights on

596
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Speaker 3: the main card. Did you see Monica Chachella Kova do

597
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: the scorpion crunch on Jaye Jura?

598
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: And yes, I'd hyped up jay Juran coming in making

599
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: her debut at anam waight, but she got caught in

600
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: the Uh what is that the rip breaker?

601
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: Luke?

602
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: That's a I know we have free Yeah, Uh, jay

603
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 2: On on a holiday here. I believe Corey stepping and uh.

604
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Is that Ron Johnson and Jay?

605
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: Uh?

606
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Can I have your life savings and your innocence please?

607
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: Jay and your band will never make it all right?

608
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 4: Uh?

609
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: Luke, that's an interesting uh submission there. I think I

610
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: did that once with the Suzanne Summers abroller hair.

611
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: And hurt myself the same way.

612
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: But uh that uh tough loss in your pro debut

613
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: for both of them.

614
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: Big win there. And speaking of Norbert, we weren't. But

615
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 2: how about Norbert Novenye junior, Luke. He had a nice

616
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: highlight reel finish as well. Can we play footage of that?

617
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: Uh?

618
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: The son of the legend coming in here in that

619
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Speaker 1: Comaine and uh making a little bit of noise.

620
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Thank you he went over laz Uni triangle check at

621
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Speaker 3: four point thirty six of the first round. This is

622
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: good for him. Remember he had that sort of he

623
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: trains with Michael Page. He's got that sort of blame.

624
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: It stands there, assume getting dropped, shoots in. Let's see

625
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: this turns it around. It's chasing to take down, get

626
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 3: stuffed still on the fence. Hops with a single, runs

627
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: the pipe, can't get it, turns to a double, switches

628
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 3: picks him up.

629
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Speaker 2: Say by play called by Luke of the Hungarian Action.

630
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: I love it, Luke.

631
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, let's see what he does here. Then finally

632
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: he gets on top. He is elbow is separated from

633
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: the ribs, which means he's in trouble. Yep, just like that,

634
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: and he's gonna use that to hop across. And it

635
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: looks like at the head and I know he's a

636
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: triangle choke he's gonna look for How did.

637
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: You get I would have tried to I would have

638
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: tried to change Norbert's oil to get him off of

639
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: that choke, but uh, you know the guy didn't thinking

640
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: about that in the moments.

641
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: With a step over here, but he can't quite get it.

642
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: You're gonna put the fights on Thursday in the afternoon.

643
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna in there this fun.

644
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna watch him and talk about him the next day.

645
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Uh, you know Viacom, CBS affiliation or not so well

646
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: done Bellatar.

647
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: Uh let's see here. I think we have some news, Cody,

648
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh you want some breaking news?

649
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, our friend Aaron Bronstead are putting it out there

650
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: on Twitter from the folks in Combat and Brazil.

651
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: Luke, what do you got here?

652
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what we have, but.

653
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Cody Garbrand. It's apparently according to Combat, he.

654
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: Has pulled out of his UFC two five to five,

655
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: moving down to Flywaight for that title opportunity there against Davison.

656
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: Figureto filling in last minute will be Alex Perez for

657
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: the title against Figaredo.

658
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: Does that move you at all?

659
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Luke? Given the circumstances, someone was asking me on the

660
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: live chat yesterday, like what chances I give for Cody

661
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: at one twenty five and my answer was, Look, there's

662
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: gonna be a range of possibilities that are plausible. Right.

663
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: A plausible scenario as he goes in there and gets

664
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: knocked out, another one as he goes in there and

665
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: knocks Figaredo out. To have your handed people right, But

666
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: if you have to ask me, like if you have

667
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: to make a range of what is plausible, there were

668
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 3: more negative scenarios than positive. There are many positive ones,

669
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: but I thought, just you know, one hundred of them,

670
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: sixty of them would not go well at a bare

671
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 3: minimum for Cody. And the other part is, you know,

672
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: trying to get down to one twenty five. You already

673
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 3: had that kid the issue. I don't know why he's out,

674
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: so let's be clear about that. The information is literally breaking.

675
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: We're reacting to this live. I don't get, I don't know.

676
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what the situation is. But it's like

677
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: these guys dropping down weights like this. You know, there's

678
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: a reason you don't see it that much in boxing.

679
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: They start small and then they work their way up

680
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 3: and they'll play with it a little bit if they

681
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: can be c but going down like that, you know,

682
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: you just had a huge win at one hundred and

683
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 3: thirty five pounds. I get you don't want to say

684
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: no to title fights, and we've talked about it BC.

685
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: I get why they wanted to put Garbrandt in that

686
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: slot to bump up some value for this fight, because

687
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: Garbrandt versus Figuredo is a lot bigger of a fight

688
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: than Figuredo versus Perez. Still, it was misbegotten effort. It

689
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: seemed like from the.

690
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: Beginning Perez had been scheduled to face Brandon Moreno, and

691
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: Perez won eleven of twelve, by the way, only the

692
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: TKA loss to Joseph Benavitez, and he's fresh off of sending.

693
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Juca for Mega the hell, so you could do worse

694
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: on a replacement. You maybe could do a little bit better,

695
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 2: but it is what it is.

696
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: Two and fifty five, Luke, tough break for Cody. I'm

697
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: very excited though about the Davison Figaredo era.

698
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: We've talked about it before. I really want to see if.

699
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: He could put together some some spectacular wins and kind

700
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: of make this division his own.

701
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: Luke, there are some fun names there at the moment.

702
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: All right, very quickly, let's get back to Beltore here

703
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: for just a second. We recapped what had happened last night,

704
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: essentially yesterday. There is a card this weekend. There's not

705
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: a whole lot to say about it. This is Beltimore

706
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: Milan three. It's James Gallaher taken on cal I think

707
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 3: his nickname is Paccino Eleanor. He's a brit He's a

708
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: good fighter. Where are you on the I hate I

709
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: don't hate James Gallaher Polar Divide here.

710
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: I love him. I love him. Look, he's a did

711
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: he did he come?

712
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: Was he thrown at the screen as sort of mini

713
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: me to Connor in some ways trained together, have that

714
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: same sort of brashness. Yes, and he looked absolutely you

715
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: know Connor esque in that big knockout he had on

716
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: that belt Or MSG pay.

717
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: Per view a couple of years back. He's got starch

718
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: since he's also come back and looked pretty good. He's

719
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: a bandam weight. He's one of those homegrown.

720
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: So to speak, guys for belt Or that could be

721
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: a big moving block for them, especially this success belt

722
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Or has promoting in Europe. I think, whenever this guy fights,

723
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: I want to be there anyway and see what's going

724
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: to happen.

725
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: He's starting to win me over Luke.

726
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: As he's maybe lowering down a bit the brashness and

727
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: dialing up a bit the experience here.

728
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: I interacted with him on that card several times that

729
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: week when he fought in MSG. He's actually a really

730
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: sweet person, which I don't expect the fans to understand

731
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: because they did not have that experience. I'm just trying

732
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: to tell them, this is the Warner Heroes against Chinzo

733
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: Machida of Memory Serves, and he was he came to

734
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: we did a local or a local broadcast. He came

735
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: and showed up to it. He was super friendly, he

736
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 3: was on time. He was He found me after the

737
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: fight and we talked about his win. And you know,

738
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: I've really enjoyed him. You know, Listen, people bag on

739
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: him for doing the whole Connor McGregor thing, which I

740
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: don't think is an unfair criticism because it just seems

741
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: so true. But when you're that young where you're you know,

742
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: in your late teens early twenties, a lot of times

743
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: you know you've got this powerful male figure in your gym.

744
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: In terms of this grand identity, you're still trying to

745
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: find out who you are. And yeah, he gravitated to

746
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: the nearest thing. I don't think it's a crime. I

747
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 3: think over time he will figure out who he is.

748
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: He had to eat some humble pie with that loss

749
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: to Ricky Bend Dejas, but as you mentioned, he has

750
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: recovered since then. Kyl eleanor Is it seems like a

751
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: decent opponent for what they're doing in Europe, which is

752
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: Belto's just trying to stage a presence there, which is fine.

753
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: It's this is more for European audiences than it is

754
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: for us BC. Generally speaking. These last two cards have

755
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: been but the only thing I'm looking to see is

756
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 3: ken Gallaher. He has settled into a comfortable position, and

757
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: that comfortable position is Lakhimer Hatam. He's good for Blatore

758
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 3: as a headlining or feature attraction for European cards. They

759
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: were trying to put him on that international US sort

760
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: of track, and they kind of put him off of

761
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: it after the lost to Ben Dejas, which was the

762
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 3: smart move. He needed some more seasoning. I would like

763
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: to see if he can get back there. I don't

764
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: want to rush it if he's not ready. You know,

765
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: people complained about MVP getting you know, a lot of

766
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: cans along the way, even that I wasn't so mad

767
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: about because they eventually made him try through the Grand

768
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: Prix and he sort of saw what his upper bound

769
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: limit was and okay, we have more clarification, Galaher is

770
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: still pretty young. I would like to see what he's

771
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: really capable of. This is a fine, it's fine for

772
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: this weekend, but I still have more questions about his upside.

773
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's rebuilding correctly.

774
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean he said he's had three wins since the

775
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: since that KNOCKTA lost him and Indejas, two of them

776
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: by submission.

777
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: So look at this age, let's move him slow.

778
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: But look, you're not gonna keep him as a UK

779
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: product or UK draw only. He does have, you know,

780
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: global level potentials for stardom there with that swagger and

781
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: that ability to pop.

782
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: We just don't know how how good he really is

783
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: and if you get back that up. But good guy

784
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: to build around for belt. He could have worse problems

785
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: right now in those divisions where they already have some

786
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: big names.

787
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: One more note about this card. It's on the prelimbs.

788
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: Robin van Rusmalin is on this card. If you guys

789
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 3: don't know who that is, that is the former Glory

790
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: lightweight champion. He's a Dutch kickboxer, very nice guy, only

791
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: thirty one years old, also with judo black belt and

792
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: has been for a long time. Not one of these

793
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: guys who was you know, like go Kansaki just trying

794
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 3: to his hand at you know, UFC at a later

795
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: stage in his career. He's still young enough, he's good enough.

796
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: He's got a background in grappling arts and submission arts.

797
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 3: That is a very interesting debut. I think he has

798
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: a couple of m fights, all which he won years ago. Yeah,

799
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: he hasn't fought since twenty seventeen, and he won two

800
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: of them very very quickly. You know, everyone is high

801
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: on O Israel and Assignya and how good he is.

802
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: And I've been you know, I've been eating that piyote

803
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: a long time. I certainly recognize his ability, and I've

804
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: been singing his praises. Van Russmolin is a beast, a

805
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: total beast, and captured a glory belt in a very

806
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: difficult So that doesn't mean he's going to have the

807
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: exact same successes out of Sonya. All things are different, however,

808
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: BC very fair to say, if you're a judo black

809
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: belt and you have been for quite some time, and

810
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: you're a previous glory belt holder and you're only thirty

811
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: one years of age, might be worth paying attention to

812
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: see what you can do.

813
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

814
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: I'll be looking out for that, Luke on Saturday. Thank

815
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 1: you for the recommendation. Right after I watched the third

816
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: New Batman movie. What's that one called, Luke, Dark Knight returns.

817
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: I think something arises or some shit, I don't know.

818
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.

819
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 4: Is it good?

820
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: It's it's good. It's good. Yeah, it's functional. It's a

821
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: little more than functional. It's more than functional. Let's get

822
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: back to UFC here if we can. I know we're

823
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: kind of all over the place here, but UFC has

824
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: a card this weekend. It's the Home versus Al Donna

825
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: card USC find out Home versus Al Donna, or you

826
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 3: know whatever. The other nomenclature is level of interest in

827
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: the card. BC give me a rating.

828
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: So in general it's low because the card is not

829
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: strong top to bottom. And I think it's got one

830
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: of those main events that.

831
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: People are like, eh, yeah, yeah, maybe eh.

832
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: But you know what, writing a preview story for this fight,

833
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: as I did on CBS Sports this week, listening to

834
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: the media day, you know, interviews given by both fighters,

835
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: this is a sneaky good fight, Luke, and it does

836
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: have some pretty serious, you know, title implications to it. Yeah,

837
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of a stay busy while you're over there

838
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: in Fight Island. So I get that there's not a

839
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: lot of sex up and down it. But this is

840
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: a very interesting time to be Holly Holm, to be

841
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: three weeks away from turning thirty nine and to have

842
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: us all Luke kind of take stock of the moment

843
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: right now and say, she's been at the top forever.

844
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: She's I mean, she never really falls too far.

845
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: Outside the top three ranking in either division, although it's

846
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: not true about by the way, because UFC's never had

847
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: rankings for their one.

848
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: To forty five division.

849
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: But you look at the hard truth of this fact, Luke,

850
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: since that Rousey upset in twenty fifteen, she's three and

851
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: five and she a foreign title bouts. Yet those five

852
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: losses have all come against you know, current or former champions,

853
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: and you could argue maybe the five greatest female fighters

854
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: of that era after she'd thrown Rowsey.

855
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting spot.

856
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: I liked how she answered questions this week where straight

857
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: up people said, you know, how much are you hearing

858
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: those whispers? And she said, you know, people say, why

859
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: are you still doing this? You're gonna be you know,

860
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: thirty nine and uh, you've lost. You never won back

861
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: that bell, you know, and her response, I love do

862
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: you never really see any swagger out of Holly. She's

863
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: her interviews are either humble or they're boring, or they're both, Luke,

864
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: and she was just like, look, go back over the

865
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: last few years, I'm always ranked right there. I'm ranked

866
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: number two right now, and I'm always ranked right there

867
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: for a reason winner loss. And I do echo where

868
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: a coach Mike winkle John has said that, you know,

869
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: nobody bounces back from losses better than Holly Holm and

870
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: is able to just put that aside in reset, and

871
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: I think that's why she's been able to reset and

872
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: stay so relative. But a win here, Luke, she's going

873
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: to be right back once again in title contention.

874
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: Now.

875
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a need for a rematch against

876
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: Amanda Nunas, who absolutely destroyed her in round one by

877
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: headkick knockout.

878
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 2: What a year ago. But there's always that sort of outside, you.

879
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 1: Know, storyline going around of what if UFC asked newness

880
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: or just her and Nina just had the birth of

881
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: the first startic congratulations to put that title away, to

882
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: make it go vacant, you can still be the featherweight champ.

883
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: You can defend it at your leisure once a year

884
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: if you want to.

885
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: But we got a couple a couple hungry.

886
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: Names in this division, including Jermaine Derandam who's in a

887
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: very good fight this weekend against Juliana Pana. You got

888
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: Aspin lad coming back from injury. Luke, what if this

889
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: fight right here Home Aldana could be setting up as

890
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: a number one contenders fight for that eventual, maybe vacant title.

891
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: If you think of it.

892
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: Under those circumstances, this is a pretty big ass fight,

893
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: And I think if you look at Holmes's career, she

894
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: has been an elite gatekeeper since that Rousy fight. She

895
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: gives great efforts against the very best, but doesn't get

896
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: over the top. If I Aldana is for real, she's

897
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: gonna beat Home and she might get a title shot

898
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: right away against Mandon Newnas if she does, or get

899
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: thrown into a vacant shot.

900
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: But if she's not.

901
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Of that ilk, we're gonna find it out on Saturday

902
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: over five rounds. That's why I like this matchup because

903
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: even though Irene has won something like four or five

904
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: and that knockout she had of Kaitlyn Vieira earlier this

905
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: year was absolutely spectacular, the kind that you don't see

906
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: in women's MMA outside of the Lioness or maybe an androge.

907
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: She has lost in the past when she's moved up.

908
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Irene's lost to Rocky Pennington twice and we know that

909
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: Holly Holm has beaten her twice.

910
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: There, So very interesting here.

911
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: Lucy, Yeah. I mean, what was the narrative for Holly's

912
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: last fight before the Pennington rematch And the answer was, Okay,

913
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 3: Holly had never to your point, lost to anyone who

914
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: had not held a title. All of the losses came

915
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: from somebody who was a champion or a championship caliber fighter.

916
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: So if she loses to Raquel, that would tell you

917
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: she's at a new stage in her career. But she

918
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: ended up going and getting a unanimous decision win. Wasn't

919
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: a pretty fight, but she got the job done. So

920
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, she is. She has not descended it

921
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: to a new low. But the question is can she

922
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: find a new high this late in to her career,

923
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: And I'm very skeptical of that. But to your point,

924
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: because of her name value, because of the way the

925
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 3: division is currently structured, she finds herself in a position

926
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: where if she beats Irene al Donna, she's going to

927
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: be right back there again. Although the other point she raised,

928
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: which is quite true, is really we're gonna do it

929
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: against the Manda new Ness. I mean, they're gonna have

930
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: to see what happens here. If Aldanna wins, I suspect

931
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: he'll just get the title shot outright, nothing to worry about.

932
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 3: If home wins won, now you have lost to somebody

933
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: in the UFC who has not held the title before.

934
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: And secondly, you would have a situation where you know,

935
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: is she looking at retirement at that point? Is she?

936
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: Is she thinking about exiting from the sport or you

937
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: know what uses you? Or are you at that point?

938
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: She's something of like a Uriah Faber a little bit

939
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: in the women's divisions, where you can kind of float

940
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: between a couple of weight classes, take big fights, got

941
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 3: a big name, useful for setting up other people coming

942
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: and going. That's sort of a thing. If she wins,

943
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: I think that's where you're gonna have to say, Well,

944
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 3: you know what was the UFC gonna do? Do they

945
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: make an interim title fight? Because Amanda's on hiatus or

946
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: something that is where they're gonna have to figure out

947
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 3: some title picture jerry mandering, you know, WBA regular super

948
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: welterweight title kind of situation. So I guess we'll see.

949
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: But the bigger question to me is, you know, just

950
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 3: how good is Holly Holm in terms of what she

951
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: has left? Because to me, this still feels like the

952
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: UFC is like are you done yet? No, not quite yet? Okay, right,

953
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 3: are you done?

954
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 4: Now?

955
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Let's see we can keep getting, we can keep getting,

956
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: you know, main events out of you, because I don't

957
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: care what anybody says. Show up at a UFC fight week, Luke.

958
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: You know, like the public events Holly draws. People love

959
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: her people. She'll never outlive that round a roz kick

960
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: because you know it was so spectacular, and people love

961
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: her and who she is in her attitude and obviously

962
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: you know the fun fight she's given sense then, But

963
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't like that performance against Rocky Pennington in the

964
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: rematch just recently where she won. I think she just

965
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: took advantage of the fact that Rocky was so raw,

966
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't seem to have a game plan, talked a great game,

967
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: came in and really had nothing.

968
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: Holly kind of did just enough to win, Luke.

969
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: So I think the real intrigue, along with the title

970
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: implications we talked about, is exactly what you sort of echoed.

971
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: If Holly loses this, it might be time to go away,

972
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: because you know, she's always been somebody so focused at

973
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: the top. I'm being the best, and and you know

974
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: she's she's been that close after the Rousey win, right

975
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: after losing to Tate, she's.

976
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: Been right there. Can't get over it, but can't get

977
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: under it too.

978
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean, she'd beat Megan Anderson, you know, convincingly she

979
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: head kicked betchkoheya the hell there?

980
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: So she's until she proves that she's not of that ilk.

981
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: It's hard to say, even turning thirty nine soon that

982
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: she should do anything but keep fighting at that level.

983
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: So there is importance here.

984
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: I did mention al Dana thought Pennington twice only once

985
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: it was a split. Decisions are only lost though of

986
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: this current stretch. And also, Luke, you pronounced her first name,

987
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: not Irene. Did you do something like a destiner right there?

988
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: What just came out of your mouth? I thought you

989
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 2: were having like a seizure or something.

990
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Irene Aldana. If you want to BEBC, it's

991
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: al Donna.

992
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 2: All right, I'll show respect to eden A here.

993
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: Luke, I want to pick her because that's an eye

994
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: opening knockout that she had over Vieira. But when I'm

995
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: writing my prediction story and I'm really going over the

996
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: tape and really thinking about it, Luke, I don't know.

997
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 1: You know, she lost a split decision to Chuo KG,

998
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: and she lost the split decision to Pennington. She's got

999
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: a couple of nice wins here over decent names. But Luke,

1000
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: when ida A Aldanena moves up, it hasn't been great.

1001
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: It may end up being a perfect storm where Home

1002
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: is slipping just enough, Irene is rising just enough that

1003
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: we get a very competitive five round fight.

1004
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's what's going to happen here. I

1005
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: think Holme, though her command of distance still is very.

1006
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: Strong, very act. You're a counterpuncher, and Luke, she's got

1007
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: a great chin. Yes, the Lioness is gonna send her

1008
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: to hell with a head kick, but you know, Holly

1009
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Holm is as durable as crap, and she's been go

1010
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: back and check out her boxing highlights. By the way,

1011
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: decorated a champion. She's been sent to hal Luke and

1012
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: came right back. I still think that, even though I

1013
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: like Irene's power, that Holme is going to have just

1014
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: enough to pull this off and maybe just maybe find

1015
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 1: her way back into another title shot. If Nunas isn't

1016
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: going anywhere, Luke, then I would expect her to face

1017
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: Aspen Ladd, which comes back from injury, because that was

1018
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: a fight UFC originally had wanted to make and it

1019
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: didn't come off, and that seems like the perfect crossroads

1020
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: to kind of dust off and find out if lad is.

1021
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 2: For real coming off of that injury, and on this card.

1022
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: The only other fight I really care about Luke is

1023
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: in this division GDR Jermaine DURANDEMI there against Juliana Pania.

1024
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: Where do you think GDR fits in this title picture?

1025
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Considering she actually looked really good in that Nunis loss

1026
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I thought in the rematch.

1027
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: And she's favorite to beat Panya. One last word, if

1028
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: I can on Holme and.

1029
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: I'll i'd ask you a question, though, Luke, I.

1030
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: Just and I will answer it. You've got home as

1031
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: an ever so slight favorite. Some places, it's a pick em,

1032
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: but in general, you've got about a minus one twenty

1033
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: for Home plus one hundred for al Donna. It's very

1034
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: very close. The one thing I should also add to

1035
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: your breakdown, I think it's right. Home is also very strong, physically,

1036
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: very strong, and a lot of times she was able

1037
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: to control Pennington by pushing her into the fence. I

1038
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: wonder if she can do that too al Donna. I

1039
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 3: suspect that she can, and that's a boring way to win,

1040
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: but it is effective. Now, you were right, Derando Me

1041
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: versus Pana, this is a super interesting fight. I went

1042
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: back and I watched the Pena fight, you know, with

1043
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Nico Montano, which was her comeback fight after that long

1044
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 3: layoff she had from having the kid and blah blah

1045
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: blah and the injury and everything else. And she looked good,

1046
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: but a little rusty, which is to be expected. I

1047
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: don't think it's any kind of crime. I think it's

1048
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: a bad matchup for Derando Me in the following sense.

1049
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: On the feet, even Amanda Nunez didn't have that much

1050
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 3: for Derandom. You want to slug it out with her,

1051
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: you're gonna have problems. You even go back to the

1052
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: first Amanda Nunas Derandom fight and fight for the troops.

1053
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: I mean they exchanged on the feet a little bit

1054
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 3: and then Amanda Nunda took her down and then that

1055
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 3: was that, and then tried to do it this time.

1056
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 3: It just had a little bit more trouble with it,

1057
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: but it still got the job done, because hello, it's

1058
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 3: Amanda Nunas. But Painias to me seems like she's lost

1059
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: a step, which again is understandable given the time off

1060
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: and everything else. But she has these takedowns where Shole,

1061
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: like Demi and Mayad a little bit pull guard, pull,

1062
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: half guard, sacrifice, throw, the kinds of things that like

1063
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: Durando me, it seems like her takedown defense is okay,

1064
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: what is the most common kind of defense that I

1065
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 3: have to work on, right underhooking against defence, turn to

1066
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: your hip, splitting your base, that whole kind of thing.

1067
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: But what if somebody doesn't really do that and then

1068
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: they begin to switch it up and chain wrestle. It's

1069
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: those second third answers that I don't think she's gonna have.

1070
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: But at the same time, Payna, I just you know,

1071
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: she was such a She reminded me of an early

1072
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: Diego sanchezby see where she would take someone down pass

1073
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 3: go and she's pounded on them and they're turning the

1074
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: back and she's still pounded or maybe choking them out,

1075
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: and you're like, wow, what a ferocious style of ground

1076
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: and pound. The other now it's a little bit more measured.

1077
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: So I like anytime it's on the feet. I like

1078
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 3: drandom on the ground. If Painia can't put her away

1079
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: and they spend us any portion of the fight standing

1080
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: longer than thirty seconds, she might find herself in some trouble.

1081
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: Just ask aspen La what happens when you fight randomy?

1082
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I do love Paina's fire and always

1083
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: has they always have, by the way, and I thought,

1084
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, around that twenty fifteen twenty sixteen period, she

1085
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: did really look like a potential, you know, sort of

1086
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: tough out in this division.

1087
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1088
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: Look, there's been a lot of time off, there's been

1089
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot of uneven performances since then.

1090
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: I still feel like this is GDR's fight to win,

1091
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 2: as the odds would tell you, just don't tell me this, Luke.

1092
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: If Amanda does give up the.

1093
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: Bell and by the way, you know, this is full

1094
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: on speculation for me to even say that. Right, we're

1095
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: just going on some recent Amanda's you know talk. Amanda,

1096
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: by the way, does have a fight scheduled in December

1097
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: against Megan Answer, So it's not like she's planning on

1098
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 1: taking you know, extensive time off. Are we headed toward

1099
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: Holly Holm and gdr in a rematch for the Vacant

1100
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: one thirty five after that awful fight they had for

1101
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: the Vacant one forty five title in Brooklyn a few

1102
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: years ago?

1103
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: Is that how this ends, Luke. I don't want to

1104
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: go there.

1105
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: I was there for that fight. That fight sucked. That's

1106
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 3: a great question. I don't know. I don't even want

1107
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: to think about that. Fuck, UBC.

1108
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: We may have to go charter a meeting with Cocher

1109
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: and Dana and say, sorry, Coker, we gotta take Cyborg back.

1110
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: We gotta put her back in there. We gotta do

1111
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: the Amanda rematch. Please, we can't have out here.

1112
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: Just so it's noted, Paina fought twice in twenty fifteen,

1113
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 3: once in twenty sixteen, once in twenty seventeen. She lost

1114
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: to Shipchenko, not at all in twenty eighteen, once in

1115
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. That was the comeback fight against Montano, and

1116
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: now this will be her first fight in twenty twenty,

1117
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: so a lot of inactivity during that time. Again, I'm

1118
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: not ready to just oh, the best is over, but

1119
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: it is at least worth thinking about anything else on

1120
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 3: that card that captures your imagination. By the way I

1121
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: counted it, I think it's important when we do these

1122
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 3: cards to pay attention to it. I counted four fighters

1123
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: who have competed on the Contender Series, which out of

1124
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: eleven bouts, not that many.

1125
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna Castro the heavyweight to get in

1126
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: a close up in that comain event there against a

1127
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: fellow named Carlos Felipe, But you asked me.

1128
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: What fight do I care about? The most on there?

1129
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: That absolute gas station hot dog, Luke.

1130
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: That is Carlos Condit against Court McGee. Luc This ain't

1131
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: bum fights. But that's you know, I'm joking. I'm not

1132
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: being disrespectful of them.

1133
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: They're two warriors there, but Luke, they're on hard times

1134
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: and they're gonna fight.

1135
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be there, Luke.

1136
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you better believe I'm gonna be ah.

1137
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: That's me watching that slob. I'm there for it.

1138
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: Luke Okay, you know it's amazing.

1139
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 1: Don't get it stuck in your beard. Don't get Condit

1140
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: stuck in your beard while you're watching that.

1141
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: Luke Okay, you know what's amazing is in boxing. I

1142
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: feel like after guys have been in wars, there's a

1143
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: lot more examination of what the wars did. And I

1144
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 3: remember after the Condit and Lawler war, there was some

1145
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: of that in MMA, but not a whole lot. I

1146
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: think you can look at their resumes from that fight,

1147
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: and Lawler did a little bit better after that fight.

1148
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: I don't think Carlos has one sense then that. I mean,

1149
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 3: you want to talk about a sacrifice on the altar

1150
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 3: of athletic greatness. By the way, I thought Carlos also

1151
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 3: won that fight. But you know, a different discussion for

1152
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: a different day. Those guys never recovered. That was one

1153
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: of those wars where you know, listen, there are some

1154
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 3: damage you can come back from, there are some you

1155
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 3: can't come back from, but it doesn't necessarily impact you

1156
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: all that bad. And then there's just the accumulation of

1157
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: things where you're just a different person the next day.

1158
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: And that's what happened to them. It's like I'm not

1159
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: even sure what Carlos Condit is chasing at this point.

1160
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 3: Some recognition that he can still win a fight at

1161
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: this level, some idea that like he still wants to

1162
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: do it because he's having fun, don't. I don't even

1163
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: know what the mission is. And for Court McGee, he's

1164
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: lost four of his last five I think one, two, three, four, five,

1165
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: five of his last seven condit is.

1166
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: Two and eight since twenty twelve, and I know a

1167
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: lot of those are elite losses.

1168
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: But god, uh, I know this sounds harsh.

1169
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: Should we consider doing this fight under Kimbo data four

1170
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: thousand rules?

1171
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: Uh? For first one's hearts to stop losing? Is that

1172
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: where we're going with this?

1173
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: Luke?

1174
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, really, whoa what is happening here? What kind

1175
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: of match? What kind of matchmaking is this? It's the

1176
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: kind I can't avoid. But good lord, look, yeah, give

1177
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: it to me right, inject that stuff.

1178
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: You should only be able to watch this fight in

1179
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: an alley while being injected with something. Look, okay, who

1180
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: do you think wins Condit?

1181
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: Condit?

1182
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 4: Come on?

1183
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: Really?

1184
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: Come on? Yeah?

1185
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1186
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean look Corn McGee's look, the difference

1187
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: between them will be honest if you actually want to

1188
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: break this down, the difference between them is in their primes,

1189
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: Condua would have destroyed them, and in their watchedness, McGee

1190
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: has lost to way worse names than Condon has, right, cond.

1191
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: It still only loses to guys, you know, well, right.

1192
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. He has lost to Ben's This

1193
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: is for McGee. He's lost to Ben Saunders, Sean Strickland,

1194
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: Diego Lima and then Sean Brady, who are not bad fighters.

1195
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 3: But that's not the exact same thing as you know,

1196
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 3: the Martin Campman's and whoever else, although he beat him

1197
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: but you know, well the second time. But you know, yes,

1198
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: to your point, Carlos has fought. I mean, here's who

1199
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: he's been losing to since the war against Robbie Lawler,

1200
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 3: A Lawler, b Demian Maya, c Neil Magni, then Alex

1201
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: Oliver and then Michael Kiessa. But this to me, like Kisa,

1202
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 3: to me, is still very much a viable contender. Neil Magnie,

1203
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 3: the same thing Demi and Maya, you know, court McGee

1204
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: would represent like it reminds me of where Seroni just

1205
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 3: was in his last fight against Nego Price, like Nico

1206
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: Price is a good fighter, but he's unranked in that division.

1207
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: I don't I'm imagining Court McGee is not ranked at

1208
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 3: this point. If you lose to that guy, now you're

1209
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 3: losing the fighters who aren't even ranked.

1210
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: So how about this? How about this? Winner gets Cowboy

1211
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: in the octagon, loser gets p J.

1212
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: Penn outside the bar A yeah, hey, I am interested

1213
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: in a couple of names on the undercard. Luma Luke

1214
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: boon Me. You know that the tie fighter. Yeah, the

1215
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Strawway who lost Angela Hill. She's a fun fighter to watch.

1216
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: She's got a lot of spinny shit. I like watching

1217
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: that and.

1218
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 3: Taking on taking on Ginu Fray the long time in

1219
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: Victor feature.

1220
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: In Asian super Bowl.

1221
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm in on that, and then bantam White Casey Kenny.

1222
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: The only footnote I like to say on that guy

1223
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: is that's the guy who grabbed the mic and said,

1224
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: let me bang. You know, I want somebody to come

1225
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: bang with me. He didn't do the let me bang, bro,

1226
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, but it.

1227
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 2: Was sort of an homage to Julian Lane's tough let

1228
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: me bang.

1229
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 3: All right?

1230
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: He bangs?

1231
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: Thank you certainly does all right? PC. Well, that is

1232
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: mostly it for our Mma topics of the day, So

1233
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: why don't you take over the show? Goods, sir. I

1234
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: know we have some audio visual elements to watch and

1235
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 3: then we have a discussion to do.

1236
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, here's the deal.

1237
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: We don't have a video intro here, we don't have

1238
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: a catchy name yet, but we want to have some

1239
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: fun on Fridays and one of those staples, right, we

1240
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: want to look, you know what you're getting Monday, right,

1241
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: you're getting a review, you're getting have you seen this shit?

1242
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: We want to have those staples on Wednesday and Friday.

1243
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: And I love this idea, Luke, given the fans homework

1244
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: on Monday's episode, which we did, and then having a

1245
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: nice discussion, review rating, break it all down on Friday.

1246
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: The unnamed segment goes like this, Luke, you and I

1247
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: were hanging out and you were like, man, have you

1248
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: ever seen two thousand and Eight's The Dark Night, the

1249
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: second of Christopher Nolan's Batman New Age trilogy there, And

1250
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, bra I did see that first one

1251
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: when it came out a couple of years before.

1252
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: That's prettydamn good. You know, You're like, stop the presses,

1253
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: go see it now.

1254
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: Then I got web Scream up in my dms, being like, bro,

1255
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: it's the greatest movie of all time, right, Like you know,

1256
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: Taylor Swists video was pretty good, but Beyonce had the

1257
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: greatest of all time.

1258
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: Right.

1259
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, by the way, Webscream sent me like a

1260
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: screenshot of his he saw it in Imax theater in

1261
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: Boston one time. This guy's like, he'll never forget it. It

1262
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: was like the day got married. I love that man, Luke.

1263
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: I watched it. We are here today to rate, review, share,

1264
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: break it down and talk about it.

1265
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 2: But you know, Webscream's trying to take over our lives

1266
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: and this show, and he's got a quick wit, and

1267
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: he picked.

1268
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: Up on something you said a little discussion we had

1269
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: where I was basically like, Luke, this movie better be

1270
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: worth it because you jacked up the expectations. Can we

1271
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: throw to web Screams video here of the little bit

1272
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: of business we had.

1273
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 3: It's certainly better than the first Batman excuse me, it's

1274
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: better than it's better than any of the other Batman's.

1275
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: The third of the new Christopher Nolan films with Bain

1276
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: is better than the first one, but not better than

1277
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 3: Heath Ledger. Heath Ledger is amazing in this movie.

1278
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: So all right, I'm expecting Rocko Safreddi here.

1279
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: If I show up and it's Joe Benavidez, you know,

1280
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: below the belt there, then.

1281
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people will be gagging on

1282
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: phallic objects. So maybe you're gonna be a little bit

1283
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: disappointed in that regard.

1284
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: Look at you, what do you believe?

1285
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: In? What I believe? Whatever doesn't kill you?

1286
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: Something makes sure Stranger got him?

1287
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: Well done, Well done, webscream, thank you, thank you very much.

1288
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Speaker 1: Right there, Luke, it's not MKDA without something phallic happening. Right, So, Luke,

1289
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: it is Friday. We want to break this thing down.

1290
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: I watched it. I'm ready to tell you about it.

1291
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: Do you want to have an opening statement at all

1292
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: about what you think of this movie, what it means

1293
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: to you, anything like that, Luke, I want to get

1294
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: it first, all right, So here's the deal.

1295
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: I had monster expectations coming in. Okay, it exceeded them.

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00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 2: It is the real Luke. This is an absolutely fan

1297
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: friggin pastic movie.

1298
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: It was long as balls, but never had me checking

1299
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: the time or how much was left. It was suspenseful,

1300
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: it was dark, it was at times, almost real dark

1301
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: but yet kind of worked. That action was great, it

1302
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: was incredibly impeccably shot. And then there was Heath Ledger

1303
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: as the Joker, which is almost an entire second chapter

1304
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: of this discussion.

1305
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: Luke, I knew about what happened.

1306
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: I knew this was what his last film or second

1307
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: to last film was recording two at the same time.

1308
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: In filming before he died, he won the Best Oscar

1309
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: for Supporting Actor. Posthumously, I remember hearing about him locking

1310
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: himself in a hotel and doing a crazy, you know,

1311
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: dark journal that was eventually found to prepare for this.

1312
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: None of that could have prepared me for how great

1313
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: of a performance and role this was.

1314
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: They just jumped the pooch right there and showed my

1315
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: score of Luke, but on a ten out of ten scale.

1316
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks for that guy. Sorry, that's great. Thanks y.

1317
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: I only have about another half hour of analysis prepared

1318
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: there before we were gonna build sort it.

1319
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: I guess we got it out there now, all right?

1320
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: That was actually that was actually the length of the reveal.

1321
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: The Yeah, here's the big reveal. It's that long, Luke.

1322
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: This performance by Heath Ledger is almost ninety seven percent

1323
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: about what makes this movie great. Okay, maybe not for real,

1324
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: but that's your lasting image coming out of there.

1325
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 2: He won every scene he was in. He lived this

1326
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: character on a method actor.

1327
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: Level like no other, even though the reports say in

1328
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: between scenes he wasn't doing the Jim Carrey thing. I mean,

1329
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: he was actually being a regular guy. But he became

1330
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: this character and made it his own. And it's not

1331
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: an easy task when this is already an iconic character

1332
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: through comic But TV shows Jack Nicholson's performance, of course,

1333
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: in earlier Batman's of the nineties in late eighties. This

1334
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: was absolutely Luke a masterpiece. He raised the level of

1335
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: everyone else with him. He's the MVP of this He's

1336
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten. And you gotta understand where

1337
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm coming from here. I don't love sci fi outside

1338
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: of the Star Wars because it was.

1339
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: Injected into me.

1340
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't love comic books or comic book adaptations. I

1341
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: don't watch Marvel superhero movies. I don't watch that shit.

1342
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: Luke. This is just a near ten out of ten, straight.

1343
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Up blockbuster action movie, in your face, gritty, I mentioned dark,

1344
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: and it's also got themes which I want to get

1345
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: into that were really interesting. It never stopped being almost

1346
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: perfectly realistic. And what I mean by that is some

1347
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: people want to watch Iron Man and you know, Hulk

1348
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: and all that shit. I don't, you know whatever, Okay,

1349
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: I can almost argue with you that some of the

1350
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: stuff we see in Star Wars could be realistic in

1351
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: the future one day.

1352
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: I like a little realism here.

1353
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: This was somehow of the one man superhero that you know,

1354
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: it was kind of realistic under the grounds of a

1355
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: comic book movie. And I love the shit out of it.

1356
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: The presentation was amazing. The performances around the Horn, including

1357
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: Harvey Dent shout out to was that Aaron Eckhart shout

1358
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: out to that performance.

1359
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, Bail is incredible.

1360
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 1: And when you can get supporting actor roles like like

1361
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: the other guys, the old guys, then they're you know,

1362
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: the the damn old guys, Luke, the old white guy

1363
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: and the old black guy.

1364
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1365
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1366
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: When you get Morgan Freeman, when you can get Morgan

1367
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: Freeman and the other old white guy in their legends

1368
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: and they deliver like that Luke nine point seven out

1369
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: of ten, I do think it's one of the most

1370
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: impressive action movies I have ever seen.

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01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 2: I was on the edge of my seat. I was

1372
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: gripped in a sound editing too.

1373
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not into some of that nerd stuff, but

1374
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: there were some popping moments that just grab you. I

1375
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of wish I was back in the Imax theater

1376
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: there with with Webscream in two thousand and eight.

1377
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: It's just short of absolute perfection.

1378
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: Not only am I glad I watched it, I can't

1379
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: wait to watch the third one to see where it went.

1380
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: This weekend, Luke. For a genre that I like but

1381
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 2: don't love, this was full immersion. I wrapped myself in

1382
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: the movie condom and exploded, Luke.

1383
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 3: All right, so you gave it a you docked it

1384
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 3: point three? What didn't you like?

1385
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: All right?

1386
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: And this is where we're getting very critical, And this

1387
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: is on my scale, right of my full on entertainment here, Luke.

1388
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: While I love the potential realism and an over.

1389
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: The top blockbuster movie that's based on almost comic book

1390
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: like unrealistic characters, could I believe that there's just one

1391
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: man who has such technological advances and an ability to fight,

1392
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: and by the way, the fight scenes largely love them.

1393
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: Spinning elbows. There's almost Mma style there.

1394
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: Could I believe that one man could be this powerful

1395
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: that even the mafia and the cops didn't have any

1396
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,479
Speaker 1: control over him. I'll suspend the disbelief and get in that, Luke.

1397
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: But I didn't love some of the tail end action

1398
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: sequences where Batman could basically control a whole building of people,

1399
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: Luke without being able to see them, could just know

1400
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: to just turn around and fly backwards up.

1401
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: This is almost where I need the Force.

1402
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: To explain that, like we have in Star Wars, which

1403
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: is bullshit too, but you get at least the Force

1404
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: would explain it. Some of that was even on the

1405
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: suspension of disbelief. The action was great, but almost it

1406
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: was too easy for Batman at the end to take

1407
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: out all those Swat Team members and to sort of

1408
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: figure that all that out, And that plays into part

1409
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: two of my three things.

1410
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: I didn't like.

1411
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: They're just gonna jack the cell phones of every single

1412
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: person in Gotham, New York City, and then have Morgan

1413
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: Frigan be able to sit in front of the fifty

1414
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: thousand screens and instantly be able to pull out the

1415
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: audio that they need for anyone at any time and

1416
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: see the cell phone camera coming out, and you know,

1417
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, look, I mean, look, it's a comic book

1418
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: action movie.

1419
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 2: I didn't think they needed to go to that level

1420
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: to pull that off.

1421
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: Three, I don't know if I loved or maybe even

1422
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: got the full message to close the movie. So this

1423
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: is where I'm gonna toss it to you in a

1424
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: second to give it to me.

1425
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: The basic theme that they ended with was that sometimes

1426
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: it's better to have faith and believe than to learn

1427
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: the lie right and to find out the hard truth.

1428
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 2: I get where that's.

1429
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: Coming from, and in a deep rooted sort of foundational

1430
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, religion and thoughts like that. It's not necessarily

1431
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: something I'm buying into, but I get where they're coming from.

1432
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: But they played that so hard at us that I

1433
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: thought they almost toyed with making Batman be a little

1434
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: bit like a bitch at the end. Okay, like, why

1435
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: are you trying to give the all the credit to

1436
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: two faced Harvey Dan at the end? Now, look that,

1437
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: by the way, the construction of the two face to

1438
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: reveal incredible, his acting work incredible, But you want so

1439
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: hard for everyone to believe that this guy was such

1440
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 1: a pillar of justice and they can believe in him.

1441
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: But he wasn't.

1442
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: He tried to kill Gordon's little kid, right spoiler alert,

1443
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: the guy's an a hole right and old by the way,

1444
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: he stole your girl on top of that. Uh, Bruce Wayne,

1445
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: all right, so don't sell out and be like, I'm

1446
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: just gonna continue you to run and be a confused

1447
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really sure where morality is, so

1448
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep running and be the dark Knight now.

1449
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: But oh, this posthumous dirt hole Harvey Den, We'll build

1450
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: him up to be the false hero and the people

1451
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: can be happy and maybe for a season.

1452
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: Crime will be undone. No, dude, under that city in

1453
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: New York City there they need you and they need

1454
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: you to be the hero brother, so they should be

1455
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: allowed to believe in you, and they should know who

1456
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 2: you are. They don't even know where you live, but

1457
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: they should know who you are.

1458
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 4: F that?

1459
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: BS, Does that get revealed in the third movie?

1460
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 4: F all that?

1461
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure.

1462
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: It's very similar to Luke Skywalker in that recent Star

1463
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: Wars one that you hate, where he's disillusioned with the

1464
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: Jedi ness and it's just I mean, come on, with

1465
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: that bullshit, Luke, badman's a badass, act like a badass,

1466
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: all right.

1467
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: And one final thing, The Joker was a one hundred

1468
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 2: out of one hundred.

1469
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: Except for his ability to navigate Gotham traffic and always

1470
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: know where to be at every given second.

1471
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, come on, I've been in New York City, Luke.

1472
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: All right, I mean, come on, the guy's like, the

1473
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: guy's everywhere.

1474
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: The Guy's always there. Okay, look, all right, it's a

1475
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: damn movie unwrapped for me. The film's closing message from Nolan.

1476
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 3: There so couple of things. First of all, it's not posthumous.

1477
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: It's posthumous, like you just say it together.

1478
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: Good night Irene. All right, you can stick that up

1479
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 2: where the sun don't shine.

1480
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, I mean I have a lot to

1481
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: say about this. I mean one of the things that

1482
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 3: took away from this movie was and I've seen it

1483
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: now at least a dozen times, but I did rewatch

1484
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: it for today's show, and it comes across to me

1485
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 3: like two things that took away. One in terms of messages.

1486
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,479
Speaker 3: In order to beat the Joker, they had to break

1487
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: the rules. Here was a guy, yeah, here was a

1488
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 3: guy who was such a mastermind who was so criminally

1489
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: psychotically adept and without empathy and using humanity for his

1490
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: own whims and desires. But to do it so it's

1491
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: such a clever way, and to do it with unusual motivations.

1492
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't about money, it wasn't about control. Well, it was,

1493
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: frankly the absence of it in certain ways. That they

1494
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 3: couldn't beat him by all their ideals. They had to

1495
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 3: break their ideals and their and their own code in

1496
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: order to do that. And it sort of sends a

1497
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: message about the power that the Joker has that even

1498
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: if you can find a way to beat him, you

1499
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 3: can only do it by joining him. It's kind of interesting,

1500
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 3: right then. The other one that I took was the

1501
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: And this is something I think about in real life

1502
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: all the time. Man. I think you probably feel about

1503
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 3: it too, And I think many Americans these days think

1504
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 3: about it. This is the frailty of our institutions. You know,

1505
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: the whole police force was corrupt. Here is this.

1506
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: Guy this you know, like the wire. I was waiting

1507
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: for Omar to come in around the corner. The game's

1508
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: the game, brother.

1509
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 3: But the thing is this one guy could and granted

1510
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: you're right, there was like his how is he everywhere

1511
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 3: setting all this shit up all the time? Okay? But

1512
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: the point being is he could cause and so much division,

1513
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: and he could foment so much chaos, and he could

1514
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 3: bring these revered institutions crumbling to their knees like that.

1515
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: And when you don't have those major, major, major societal

1516
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 3: and then personal problems began to emerge. And when you

1517
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 3: think about how fragile they are, and we were seeing

1518
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: it in real life too, we think about how fragile

1519
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: they are, it makes you really begin to get nervous

1520
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 3: about the state of our existence and the security of

1521
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 3: our condition and how could all come undone? Those are

1522
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 3: two major themes that I took from it. I wonder

1523
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,320
Speaker 3: if you make if.

1524
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: You yeah, those were correct, And I think a key

1525
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: element in that was the whole presentation of the Joker

1526
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: that hey, Batman, you're not one of them, You're a

1527
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: freak like me, right, you know. And then in that regard,

1528
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not doing it for the traditional things

1529
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: like money, like.

1530
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: Look, you know, I arguably the best scene was that

1531
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: stack of money with the with the Asian lao on top,

1532
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: and the whole message that he was trying to send

1533
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 2: in the double crossing and just the bad astery, which

1534
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of that was improvised there if

1535
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 2: he fledger, But yeah, I get that.

1536
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: But I almost felt like Nolan's trying to hit us

1537
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: at the end with you know, it's all bullshit to

1538
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: these people, but they got to believe in something.

1539
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: See this is where you got to see the third one,

1540
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 3: because the next villain in the next movie, Baine, takes

1541
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 3: some of these concerns you have and then brings them

1542
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: to their logical conclusion. Now again, he does it in

1543
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 3: a super psychotic way that you could never sign on to,

1544
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 3: but he does. Like here's the real big thing about

1545
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 3: Baine and to a greater extent, the Joker. Some of

1546
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 3: their criticisms about who we are and the myths we

1547
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 3: tell ourselves are totally true. You can dismiss him as

1548
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: a psychotic quite literal clown or murderer or whatever, and

1549
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 3: all those are fair. But the way which she points

1550
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 3: to is I previously mentioned the frailty in society, the

1551
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 3: way which he is able to talk about these phony

1552
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 3: myths that we allow to spread in society for the

1553
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 3: desire of our own comfort. Those were all those are

1554
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: all very real criticisms that you kind of just can't dismiss.

1555
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 3: And it makes you like, you know, the way which

1556
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: he's able to make you uncomfortable about it, Uh, you know,

1557
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: is is it? It's he's unnerving and bame, to a

1558
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 3: lesser extent, a part of it is also unnerving for

1559
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 3: those very same reasons. The one thing I think is

1560
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 3: that we do have to say is, let me give

1561
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: you some things I liked about the movie. I like

1562
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 3: the way it was shot for the most part. It's

1563
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 3: something I've been paying attention to recently. You know, I

1564
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: barely know anything about it. But there's a lot of

1565
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: use of color temperature. So a lot of times you

1566
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 3: would see a lot of blue that was shot inside

1567
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 3: the bank vault, for example, when the when the when

1568
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: Commissioner Gordon shows up, but they've already removed all the

1569
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: mob money, it's all blue and cold. And then on

1570
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: the scene of the street when they're having that big

1571
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 3: scene where the Batman the Joker face off, it's all

1572
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 3: orange at night, you know, which is a little bit warmer,

1573
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 3: and it was more action oriented, so that's kind of cool.

1574
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: Like the way they shot that that like the city

1575
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: scapes that they shot with. In general, I think Christopher

1576
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 3: Nolan did a pretty good job with that. The one

1577
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: critique I have is the thing you mentioned with the Joker,

1578
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: which is how he was just everywhere all the time,

1579
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: and like some of the scenes, like the battle scenes,

1580
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: were just weird. Let me give you an example. Asian

1581
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 3: cinema is better than historically American cinema at shooting fight scenes.

1582
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 3: And I saw this guy make a point about it,

1583
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 3: and what he said was, if you notice, like what

1584
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: Jackie Chan would do when he's having fight scenes, the

1585
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 3: camera doesn't cut, it just stays right there. So you

1586
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 3: see punches land, you see objects thrown a lot of times.

1587
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 3: What you'll see in American cinema is someone will throw

1588
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: a punch and right before it's about to land, they'll

1589
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 3: switch to a different camera angle, so you don't exactly

1590
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 3: see it. It's not nearly as fun, which is to

1591
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: say there's just a degree of realism brought to They

1592
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 3: have to really make and sell something that is much

1593
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 3: more observable to the naked eye. You know, if you're

1594
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 3: having police shootouts on the scene in the middle of

1595
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 3: mac Gotham aka Manhattan, and the streets are completely empty.

1596
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: I get you can do more with it, which made

1597
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 3: it a bigger budget production, but it was a little

1598
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 3: bit silly. It's like, dude, you're on thirty fourth Street.

1599
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 3: I know where you are. There's a rack of motherfuckers

1600
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: up there, like you wouldn't This is not you know,

1601
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, don't have Batman versus Joker, have him

1602
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 3: with the reality that Gotham is this CD disgusting, overcrowded,

1603
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 3: crime infested, police corrupted, you know, to bar from Superman Metropolis,

1604
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: you know, it's just teeming with people rather than like

1605
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's uh, it's uh, you know the

1606
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 3: it's Iowa, you know, in the middle of December midnight,

1607
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: where there's no one downtown or some shit. So I

1608
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 3: didn't really care for that so much. And the only

1609
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 3: thing I would say is Heath Ledger is almost too good.

1610
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 3: He is such a towering figure in this movie.

1611
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:36,759
Speaker 2: It all shines when when Bail is Batman.

1612
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: He demonstratively outshines Batman in every form of acting or

1613
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: action sequence.

1614
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 3: He couldn't hold a candle to him. Heath Ledger was

1615
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 3: so powerful in this movie that one you forget that

1616
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 3: it's Heath Ledger, like he's unrecognizable, you know. And I

1617
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 3: don't mean because of the makeup. I just mean the

1618
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 3: identity is just so unique, and.

1619
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: The capability to pull those voices out for seriously, it's

1620
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 1: just insane.

1621
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 3: And then the stories he would have that would differ

1622
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: when he would put the blade in everyone's mouth, and

1623
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 3: how it would change from character to character and blah

1624
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 3: blah blah. It just it was so heavy. It defined

1625
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: every element of the plot. He was the boogeyman. He

1626
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: the acting performance was so strong that no character could

1627
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 3: even hold a scene without you thinking about him in

1628
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 3: some way. I've never seen a movie where a guy

1629
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: who wasn't the hero or the star of it commanded

1630
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: virtually every element of it was It was masterful. But

1631
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 3: they place on that.

1632
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: For second, because look, the presentation of Nolan of modern

1633
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: day Batman in this grittier setup than we're used to

1634
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: for Batman is obviously at the foundation what made I've

1635
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: only seen the two of the three films, but made

1636
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: these films so special, right, It's it's shot with the

1637
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: collars and it's dark and it's gritty, and Batman's not

1638
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: you know, Toy Batman, he's this you know, badass in

1639
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: the armor and the cars and the motorcycle built into

1640
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: the car, all that ten out of ten across the board.

1641
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: But Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne is amazing, Luke, right,

1642
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: like a not like a nine point eight like hold

1643
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: on as as Bruce Wayne as Bruce Wayne. To me,

1644
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: it's Great Gatsby, It's it's Paul Newman as Great Gatsby.

1645
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: It's or sorry, great.

1646
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 3: Let me ask you, I'm not an expert on Batman. Now,

1647
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 3: if it was experts on Batman, did you not get

1648
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: the feeling that as Bruce Wayne he was kind of

1649
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 3: like a rich shithead.

1650
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 2: Yes, so let me let me just play that up

1651
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 2: for a second.

1652
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: He's a good guy, but he's a good guy who

1653
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: constantly teases nefarious nefarious motion, like right when he when

1654
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: he puts uh e car in the chocol which webscreen

1655
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: presented to us, you know earlier months ago, uh in

1656
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: Like you're like, oh my god, he's turning. No, he's

1657
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: actually protecting. But that guy is so interesting.

1658
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 2: I think Bail nails that performance that when he becomes Batman. Luke,

1659
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: this is again, do I have three points.

1660
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: Down on an absolutely classic movie three tenths of a

1661
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: point down Batman himself. Bail as Batman himself, they really

1662
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: make him kind of like lame and weird. Yes, okay,

1663
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 1: the voice is totally The voice is a little disarming.

1664
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 1: He's got no personality, and when he's in those scenes

1665
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: with the Joker, he's completely dominated and outshined. Even though

1666
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: their interrogation room scene is probably the best moment of

1667
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: the entire film. I want to see more of the

1668
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: Joker going ahead to head with Bruce Wayne Luke. I

1669
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: feel like that was the real matchup in that movie

1670
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 1: that we didn't get enough of Bail as Bruce Wayne,

1671
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, badass, and maybe if Ledger hadn't, I don't know,

1672
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: maybe there was more they could have done with that,

1673
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: because I get where you're going on the What the

1674
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: cliffhanger should have been from movie two to three was

1675
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: Batman did a little bit of dirt to defeat Joker,

1676
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: so now he's not sure who he really is.

1677
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I get it. He wants the world

1678
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:51,560
Speaker 2: to believe.

1679
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: In somebody, so here believe in den you know, even

1680
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: though he was a dirt hole.

1681
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 2: Believe in him. People. It's better to believe in something

1682
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: and not know. I get it. I don't love it.

1683
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't love When Gordon ends

1684
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: with talking to his son, We'll still chase him because

1685
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: we have to.

1686
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 2: He'll still run from us because like stup that.

1687
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: Bullshit, Gordon, you can't do your job without this guy. Okay,

1688
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: So Batman, suck it up, all right.

1689
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: We bought this country with liquor, Okay. I mean it

1690
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 2: is what it is. I don't love it, but it

1691
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: is what it is. There's a lot of dirt that.

1692
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: Went done for things to maintain you know, normalized and

1693
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: real deal Bruce, Wayne and Batman with the dirt you

1694
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: did and just be a damn badass.

1695
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: Stop being all who.

1696
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 4: So that's here.

1697
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 3: Here's two more problems with the movie. It's not that

1698
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 3: Aaron Eckhart as two Face isn't good, and it's not

1699
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: that two Face isn't a good character, but Heath Ledger

1700
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 3: was so overpowering you didn't need it. You could have

1701
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: made a movie without him, and you could put Heath

1702
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,200
Speaker 3: Ledger with somebody else that was a little bit easier

1703
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 3: as a be character and made that work. Because I

1704
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: would say Eckhart did not do as good of a job,

1705
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,839
Speaker 3: and that's not as the Joker is such a big character,

1706
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 3: putting them together was overkill and it didn't really work.

1707
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, et Cart's coolest shit, but you're right, there wasn't

1708
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 1: enough room in that movie for that, that two face

1709
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: storyline to really take full bloom.

1710
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 3: And the other part is the movie was just too

1711
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 3: fucking long. To your point, it wasn't so long where

1712
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 3: I was checking my watch. I don't mean in that sense,

1713
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 3: but like, for example, early on in the movie, when

1714
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: Batman shows up, when all the other like Vigilante Donk

1715
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: Batman's are there and he captures them all and they're like,

1716
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 3: what right do you have to do? What makes you

1717
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,879
Speaker 3: different from us? He's like, I'm not wearing hockey pads.

1718
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 3: It's like, what was the fucking point of this scene? Okay,

1719
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 3: you're setting it up where you're got zero, everyone's looking

1720
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 3: to you, and you're trying to set up Harvey debt

1721
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: for it. But she didn't really need that.

1722
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: And also, hey, Alfred, don't burn that no, tell the

1723
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: guy the truth, all right. The chick didn't want him,

1724
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 1: she thought that he Yeah, he was too in love

1725
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: with the with the sue, all right. The love of

1726
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: his life right the Dawson's Creek. Katie Holmes And by

1727
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: the way, maybe it.

1728
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: Could have been Katie Holmes in the sequel she was

1729
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: in the first one. He didn't love her. She didn't

1730
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 2: love him, Luke, she loved him, she didn't love his dedication.

1731
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: You blew it, bro I'd rather him know that. Okay.

1732
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 2: There's a lot of like, oh, well, don't tell the

1733
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 2: person the truth. How about we live with the truth? Okay,

1734
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 2: Batman BC spin off it's called the Truth, we live

1735
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 2: with it. Okay. By the way, shout out to Eck

1736
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: Cart I thought he was a key member of this movie.

1737
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: Bail was solid as Bruce Wayne led her a thousand

1738
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: out of a thousand in there anyone else that you

1739
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: want to shout out?

1740
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 2: Because I loved Eric Roberts as the mafia boss. I

1741
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 2: thought he was fantastic.

1742
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: Perhaps perhaps the most unrealistic was that Maggie Gilletall had

1743
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 3: not one, but two men after her. I was like, Wow,

1744
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 3: someone that unattractive. That seems terribly.

1745
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: How dare you? She's got girl next door secretary looks.

1746
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: How dare you?

1747
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not my type. She was a fine character, but

1748
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: you know, a little bit you know again, they were

1749
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 3: trying to do too much with her at the Joker

1750
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 3: and Harvey Dent. Michael Caine was great, He led it

1751
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 3: was great, Christian Bale was great, Gary Oldman. Is James

1752
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 3: Gordon serviceable? I thought, fine, he's.

1753
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: A good active lived up to to the comic book

1754
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: in early movie presentation of what you expect that character.

1755
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 2: To be, he was fine.

1756
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me give my rating. And then I

1757
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: want to say my rating is probably a little bit low.

1758
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: I probably could have given it a slightly higher rating.

1759
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 3: It's still high enough to me. This movie is the

1760
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 3: Heath Ledger Show, and it's the Joker Show. And I

1761
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 3: did not like a lot of the battle scenes because

1762
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 3: of how what it took to make them. Yes, it

1763
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 3: took big budget and big imagination and an amazing filmmaker.

1764
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 3: But I would have rather seen what can you do

1765
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 3: with the city that is teeming and infested and gross

1766
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 3: rather than empty and sterile. I didn't like that at all.

1767
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 3: Two face amazing character needed his own movie or another

1768
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 3: movie with somebody else. Maggie Gillehall is Barnacle in this movie.

1769
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 3: Sorry she is, But Heath Ledger one of the most

1770
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 3: remarkable performances I've ever seen. So BC, don't kill me

1771
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 3: on this score. It's a little bit low. Let's put

1772
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 3: up my number here. See what you think it's low.

1773
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 3: I should have gone a little bit higher. Eight point five?

1774
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: Eight point five? What the hell's look? You don't like anything.

1775
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna go ten point ten point zero.

1776
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: So I was feeling bad here that I'm.

1777
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 3: Like, you know, I enjoyed. I would bought it that

1778
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 3: I would myself.

1779
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: I enjoyed myself way more than I expected. It feels

1780
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 1: like a classic. Feels I want to show my kids tomorrow.

1781
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: It was almost perfect. It was near perfect.

1782
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the problem.

1783
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 3: You didn't find the plot to be convoluted. It's a

1784
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 3: little convoluted.

1785
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was.

1786
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: I'm suspending certain levels of disbelief for the whole idea

1787
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: that it's basically a comic book come to life.

1788
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to I over.

1789
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: I give them extra credit for Ledger, I give him

1790
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: extra credit for the presentation and the cool factor and

1791
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: sort of take away from what you're talking about and

1792
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: some of those issues we had, Like look, I even

1793
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: like the double boat scene with the you know, we

1794
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: could kill people but we won't because humanity is you know,

1795
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: they want good. Look, I'm all in on that, Okay,

1796
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm in an eight point five, your ass, Luke.

1797
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I'd probably bump it to about it eight eight.

1798
01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 3: I think I'd probably bump it a little bit higher.

1799
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 3: But the issue for me is some of the ways

1800
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 3: in which it was shot were beautiful but tear I mean,

1801
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: just unrealistic to the point of weird and a missed opportunity.

1802
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 3: It's like they constantly sell Gotham as overrun and troubled

1803
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 3: and you know, fucking grimy, and then they shoot all

1804
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 3: these scenes where there's no reflection of that whatsoever. I

1805
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 3: didn't care for that.

1806
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't there more of that in the first one. In

1807
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: the first one there was more of that presentation.

1808
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the third one there's a lot of that

1809
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 3: as well. Get they get into it, but it's just

1810
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 3: like it should be a thing that if that's what

1811
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 3: Gotham is, then you need to tell it that way.

1812
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 3: The last thing I'd say is to me, it's like

1813
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 3: Heath Ledger was the Joker, but what if Heath Ledger

1814
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 3: had been tasked with being two face? Would it have

1815
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 3: been as big is This is what I meant earlier

1816
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 3: when I said that the Jokers are a huge character BC,

1817
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: because two Face is an interesting character and I think

1818
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 3: Aaron Eckhart deserved more. But the last thing I'll say

1819
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 3: on this is the Joker, to me is maybe the

1820
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 3: most interesting villain in all of comic books. Now, I

1821
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 3: can't defend that. I'm not an expert in all these

1822
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 3: kinds of things, but it just seems to me when

1823
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 3: you have Jack Nicholson who can play him in a

1824
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 3: certain way, and I thought he did a great job,

1825
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 3: and we haven't even gotten into the Joaquin Phoenix version,

1826
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 3: and now you have this one. You have these incredible

1827
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 3: actors across generations bringing this guy to life, all reimagining

1828
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 3: him a slightly different way. True for Batman as well,

1829
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 3: but it's all a little bit more. One note, the

1830
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: Joker is such a complex and interesting and difficult character

1831
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: to manage, which is why our very best actors bring

1832
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 3: him to life in new ways. It really says something

1833
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: about the conception of him and what that allows you

1834
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 3: to do in the hands of gifted actors.

1835
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,839
Speaker 1: And there may not be a direct connection between Ledger's

1836
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: death and playing that role, but I don't see how

1837
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 1: you could be that great at that role and not

1838
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: and not go crazy while filming that, Luke.

1839
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it's just tremendous. That's a tremendous presentation

1840
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: of that. You got to live that to be that, Luke.

1841
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, pretty amazing. All right? So what do we say? BC?

1842
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 3: We have an email account here on the show now

1843
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 3: Morning Coombat at gmail dot com, Morning Combat at gmail

1844
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: dot com. What should we take a look at next?

1845
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 3: And B see give the folks a sense of like

1846
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 3: all the different things we'd be willing to take a

1847
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 3: look at.

1848
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Look, we're just trying to recognize art here, all right.

1849
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: We want to give it the the MK stamp up approval. Okay,

1850
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: whether it's a movie, song and album, TV show something,

1851
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: all right?

1852
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 3: What is art? Right? Are we are?

1853
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 4: Is art art?

1854
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: That's what we want to answer here, Luke. So every

1855
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: Monday we are going to present the homework assignment. People

1856
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: can hit us up at what morningcombat at gmail dot com. Luke,

1857
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: don't we have a couple essays from the fans on this?

1858
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: Do you want you want to get? Yeah, a little bit,

1859
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't have them quite in front

1860
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 3: of me because let me pull them up here for

1861
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: just a second, because they sent a bunch to me personally.

1862
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 2: And we also want to hear their We want to

1863
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 2: hear their score, Luca, what are we gonna do? Put

1864
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 2: this out on Twitter. We want to hear their.

1865
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to hear the scores. I'd love to

1866
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 3: hear the scores. I didn't get any of those. Let's

1867
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 3: see a lot of positive reviews. Clocks into two thirty two,

1868
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 3: but it could have gone much longer. Jesus guy, I

1869
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: would have rather died. But the big one that was

1870
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: kind of interesting was this one. Guy Adam writes, all

1871
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 3: in all, Dark Knight is the best Batman live action movie.

1872
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 3: Excuse me? Got that rona because of Heath Ledger's Joker.

1873
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 3: Without him, whether it be a replacement actor or another villain,

1874
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 3: I think this movie would be on par with the

1875
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 3: other two Nolan Batman movies. Oh yeah, he says, it's

1876
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 3: on par with in terms of like how well the

1877
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 3: person took the role. With Jack Nicholson and a few

1878
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 3: good men, Christian Bale and the fighter r Ley Ermy

1879
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,839
Speaker 3: in Full Metal Jacket, and then Anthony Hopkins in Silence

1880
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 3: of the Lambs. I think that's absolutely true.

1881
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, that's a that's a fun discussion there

1882
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: of of you know who in history has ever nailed

1883
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: one role better than Heath Ledger there as Joker.

1884
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 2: It's a short leg.

1885
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 3: That's a great question. Or like when you think of

1886
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: a movie, if I said I'm gonna think of a movie,

1887
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 3: tell me what comes to mine first. You know, if

1888
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 3: I said the Dark Knight, whatever this one is, his

1889
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 3: returns or rises or whatever, people are gonna say Heath

1890
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 3: Ledger of the Joker. They're not gonna say. They're not

1891
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 3: gonna say Harvey Dan, They're not gonna say Maggie Gillenhall.

1892
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 3: They're gonna say that. There's just no denying it. Amazing,

1893
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 3: all right, Wat's the show for today, Bud? How you

1894
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 3: feeling about it?

1895
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Uh?

1896
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: We look, we're gonna we're gonna try different things, right

1897
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 1: like a blind man and an orgy. We're gonna we're

1898
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: gonna feel around and see what works, see what doesn't.

1899
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: Luke never heard that. I've literally never heard that.

1900
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do

1901
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 2: it all right, and uh and we want to hear

1902
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: from the people Okay, So we'll have homework assignment again

1903
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: on Monday, and you know, hope we can get a

1904
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 2: leader board put together of uh uh of m K

1905
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: right that we love and enjoy. Thank you for all

1906
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: your always submissions. I mean I wouldn't. I don't know

1907
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 2: where i'd be on.

1908
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ship without this uh this dark

1909
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 1: Swan guy or dirty small whatever the hell of the

1910
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: guys now shuld probably get his name right. This guy's

1911
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: all over my DMS. Thank you to the folks and

1912
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: the people. Uh, we're coming at you. And look sometimes

1913
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 1: we do the show and breaking news happens, Luke, I

1914
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you just saw. Ariel of ESPN reported

1915
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: that roustam cop Cobby lov just signed from UFC to Bellatour,

1916
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: coming in on a on a seven and one streak

1917
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: in his last eight fights.

1918
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: You like that, bro, not that much.

1919
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 3: I think he's not that. I think he's good. I

1920
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 3: don't think he's quite as good as people reputationally and

1921
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: make him out to be.

1922
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's just okay, okay, but yeah, you know,

1923
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Speaker 1: thank you to our people, our crew, show, show, MALCA,

1924
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Speaker 1: CBS Sports, all those great folks here, Luke.

1925
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got some fights this weekend. Enjoy the James

1926
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 2: Gallaher's return UFC. There's a little bit of Box.

1927
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: By the way, check out a top rank in ESPN

1928
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Speaker 1: giving us Ivan Baranchick against Jose's Apaida at one hundred

1929
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Speaker 1: and forty pounds.

1930
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Speaker 2: That should be a nice little piece of business. Win

1931
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Speaker 2: are probably getting a title shot. Love that as well.

1932
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Speaker 3: Luke, you're gonna you got on any weekend plans taking

1933
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 3: my kid to some stuff over the weekend, which is fun.

1934
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 3: We should mention one note on the showtime end of

1935
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Speaker 3: things on Box.

1936
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Speaker 2: Sounds fun, Luke, sounds really fun.

1937
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1938
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that was the most generic presentation of

1939
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Speaker 1: family weekend plans, So that's great.

1940
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Speaker 3: I just don't want to tell you what my plans

1941
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 3: are very quickly. Geronte Davis is sppify LEO Santa Cruz

1942
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 3: on October twenty fourth. It has been moved October thirty first.

1943
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 3: It's going to be what the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas?

1944
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Speaker 3: Is that right, BC?

1945
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1946
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Speaker 1: And Halloween night, and it's going to be in front

1947
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Speaker 1: of fans, you know, not a full I'm not gonna

1948
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: win my bet, not a full arena. But this looks

1949
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: like with a direction we're going here. PBC also looks

1950
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 1: like they're doing Danny Garcia Erol Spence potentially in November

1951
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: in front of fans in Texas as well, so inside

1952
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: the Alamodome there'll be a certain number in there. I mean, look,

1953
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: it's working for the NFL at the moment, Luke, I

1954
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: think even more importantly moving it past a week, even

1955
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: though it wasn't going to go head to head with

1956
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: habib in justin Gatgee at UFC two fifty four, which

1957
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: was which is going to take place in the afternoon.

1958
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it is hard to get people to

1959
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 1: buy two pay per views on the same day. I

1960
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: think this was a good move and it'll give them

1961
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more time to figure out how to

1962
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 1: get people in the building. And that's gonna be fun

1963
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: because that's gonna be a great fight. And if you're

1964
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: doing that in Texas, the Mexican American fans are the

1965
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,560
Speaker 1: heartbeat of the sport. You know, Leo's gonna have some

1966
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: big time fans. You know, Gervonte draws a celebrity crowd.

1967
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun piece of business

1968
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Speaker 1: to title belts and two different divisions on the line

1969
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Speaker 1: here in the same fight. Very unique offering, could.

1970
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Speaker 3: Be a lot of fun. All right, Well that is

1971
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 3: that wraps up the first I don't know, I'm gonna

1972
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 3: call it full time week in MK history. And what

1973
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 3: a week it was. Man. We had a great time

1974
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 3: last weekend, all week long, all you guys have responded

1975
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 3: to the content. Look, we are still very much, you know,

1976
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: figuring out what's we're gonna keep, what we're gonna bring back.

1977
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 3: We're gonna put some imaging, run everything. We're gonna really

1978
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: you know, all the bells and whistles you see on Monday,

1979
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 3: we'll bring those over to Wednesday and Friday. But we

1980
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 3: wanted to take things slow, so we appreciate everyone who

1981
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: has been along for the ride.

1982
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you want to see a pose down

1983
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Speaker 1: every Friday with baby oil and I'll get in japport

1984
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you want on me.

1985
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Speaker 3: I don't believe that, norah do I think that is requested.

1986
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 3: But I will say this, enjoy the fights this weekend, BC,

1987
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Speaker 3: you have fun. I will talk to you again on Monday.

1988
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Speaker 3: So for everyone at Malka at showtime, that's Brian Campbell,

1989
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm Luke Thomas. We're from CBA Sports and until next time,

1990
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 3: may all of your gains be loyal.

1991
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Speaker 4: Are you in well, this is our time. The world's

1992
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 4: changed and you are right in the center of it.

1993
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Speaker 2: I don't know it's ahead, but all bets are off