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Speaker 1: Native Landpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome Home.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is his Native Lampod. I'm your host, Angela Raie.

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Speaker 1: I am with you all today to talk about some

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Speaker 1: really important pressing issues. I want to just spend a

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Speaker 1: little time talking to folks in my community about our

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Speaker 1: posture around immigration. We are witnessing people being deported in

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Speaker 1: public spectacles. People are being arrested and put on buses,

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Speaker 1: put on planes, deported to places that they did not

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Speaker 1: once call home. One of the most recent examples is

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Speaker 1: about a man named kilmar Abrago Garcia. And this man

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Speaker 1: was deported, uh. Nobody knew what happened or why he

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Speaker 1: was said to have been a gang member, and the

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Speaker 1: Trump A Minute stration is fighting to prevent him from

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Speaker 1: being brought back from an Ol Salvador prison. And the

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Speaker 1: kinds of things that they're saying in response to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruling around kill mar Abrego Garcia's return to

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Speaker 1: the United States is insane. There's a court document that

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Speaker 1: was filed. This is the defendant's response to plaintiff's motion

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Speaker 1: for additional relief and one of the things that is

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Speaker 1: listed here is that as they say that the court

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Speaker 1: should deny the plainiff's request, the planeff would be kill

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Speaker 1: mar Abrego Garcia for further relief, because the relief is

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Speaker 1: inconsistent with the Supreme Court's instruction requiring this court to

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Speaker 1: respect the President's article to authority to manage foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: So they are making the claim that you can deport

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Speaker 1: someone on US soil who has not done any of

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Speaker 1: the things that you alley, You wrongfully targeinated him, targeted him,

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Speaker 1: you wrongfully deport him, but he should stay in custody

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Speaker 1: in our Salvador and he should not be returned because

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Speaker 1: it is an affront to the president's foreign policy powers.

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Speaker 1: If there was ever a time to think back to

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we talked about the constitutional crisis that

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Speaker 1: is upon us, the constitutional crisis that we are now

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Speaker 1: living in, this is now. That is what is happening

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Speaker 1: right now. It's not a court decision away. They got

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Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court and the president and his cronies

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Speaker 1: are testing whether or not they could actually overrule the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. They don't have to comply, and this is

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Speaker 1: what happens when you put someone in the White House

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Speaker 1: who was alleged to have ninety one felonies. When you

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Speaker 1: get a crook, you get crooked behavior. So you're curious

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Speaker 1: about why someone with all.

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Speaker 2: Of these.

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Speaker 1: We have to say alleged because they're litigious even though

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Speaker 1: they don't follow core orders, but alleged felonies, why they

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Speaker 1: would break the law. Why do you think a fela

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Speaker 1: gonna break the law? Like, we have to buy into

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Speaker 1: the fact that when someone shows us who they are,

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Speaker 1: we've got to believe them. So that's the first thing

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Speaker 1: I want to put on your radar. The second thing

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Speaker 1: I want to put on your radar is Madawi most

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Speaker 1: of Madawi is an organizer, a pro palac Citian organizer

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Speaker 1: who supported demonstrations last year at Columbia University. According to

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Speaker 1: The New York Times, he was detained on Monday. He

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Speaker 1: was detained while at an immigration meeting to secure his citizenship.

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Speaker 1: This man has been a resident of Vermont for ten years.

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Speaker 1: While he was at his citizenship meaning meeting, he was

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Speaker 1: arrested or detained by ice. Right, this is the kind

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Speaker 1: of new world we're living in. This is most In

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Speaker 1: Madawi Again, his mother's his lawyers, his sister nobody could

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Speaker 1: find him. After he was detained in Colchester, Vermont, his

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Speaker 1: lawyers requested a tro which is a temporary restraining order

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Speaker 1: to prevent this government, if that's what we're gonna call

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Speaker 1: this thing, this fascist regime, from sending him anywhere. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I want us to examine why this

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Speaker 1: is so problematic. A lot of us in my community

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Speaker 1: believe that an immigration problem is not our collective problem.

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Speaker 1: That could not be further from the truth, because at

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Speaker 1: some point or another, at some point or another, these

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Speaker 1: folks are gonna come knocking at your door. Let's roll

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Speaker 1: the clip of the immigration attorney. This happened to the.

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Speaker 2: Really care who they're trying to deport or ask to

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Speaker 2: leave the United States.

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Speaker 3: When Massachusetts resident Nicole Mitcerroni received this email on Friday

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Speaker 3: telling her to leave the country, she was baffled.

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Speaker 2: At first. I thought it was for a clients, but

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Speaker 2: I looked really closely and the only name on the

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Speaker 3: But the forty year old is a US citizen.

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Speaker 2: I think it's most likely a mistake and they're just

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Speaker 3: Mitcarroni is an immigration attorney working with many clients facing

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Speaker 3: is issuing notices terminating parole for individuals who do not

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Speaker 2: I think it's really scary that this is going on.

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Speaker 2: It says that they're not being very careful. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a scare tactic. I think they want people afraid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the thing, and Nicole, I want to

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Speaker 1: in this time. It's a really dangerous, challenging, overwhelming time

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Speaker 1: to be an immigration law So Nicole, who is based

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Speaker 1: removal from the United States. Let me tell you all

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Speaker 1: why this is a problem to me. I was recently

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Speaker 1: people did not like. Their immediate response to me on

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Speaker 1: social media platforms, particularly on Twitter, was if I hate

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Speaker 1: anyone who is working to protect people's First Amendment rights,

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Speaker 1: what this administration is putting forth is being threatened. Normally,

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Speaker 1: those threats come from Twitter trolls. Now the Twitter trolls

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Speaker 1: have taken residents in the Trump administration. That is what

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Speaker 1: regardless of their background, Palestinian or Arab American, as someone

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Speaker 1: white folks, it's going to come knocking at your door.

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Speaker 1: Nicole is an example of that. Sure they can say

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Speaker 1: foolish if we don't believe that this scare tactic is

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Speaker 1: So now I want to just tell you about why

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Speaker 1: I think we have to tap into our humanity in

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Speaker 1: at my church. Whatever your set of circumstances are, there

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Speaker 1: is something that binds us all together. There's blood that

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Speaker 1: runs through our veins. Right we wake up in the morning,

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Speaker 1: the common thing that binds us all together in this

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Speaker 1: someone else, the moment their struggle, their trial, their issue

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter to us. We are essentially doing the same

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Speaker 1: thing that I don't know if you all have ever

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Speaker 1: seen someone trip and fall, right, just so, say you're

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Speaker 1: number of people that stop to say, hey, are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Versus the person that just walks by. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: We have to be in an era, even with fascism

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Speaker 1: So I'm telling you all this, I'm starting to tear

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Speaker 1: there's an image of men being brought into prison, being tied,

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Speaker 1: When we say never again, that never again can't just

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Speaker 1: And so I would ask us to dig deep, to

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