Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody freshesh off the Q train from downtown
Speaker 1: Ropes and TJ coming to you from the iHeart Studios
Speaker 1: in Midtown man Hattan. Wherever you are, glad you are
Speaker 1: with us, and this is going to robes be the
Speaker 1: final podcast episode that we're recording before your birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you will.
Speaker 1: Be a new woman and the next time we work
Speaker 1: in studio to get.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'll be officially in my fifties. Oh that sounds
Speaker 2: different than saying I just turned fifty. I'll be in
Speaker 2: my fifties.
Speaker 1: Is that different?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the thick of it, like I'm emergency. Yes, yes, yes, no.
Speaker 2: This is birthday week, so it's exciting.
Speaker 1: What are you really what are you looking forward to?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: For the new year, the new you know.
Speaker 2: Fifty one, I'm looking forward to looking forward to things.
Speaker 2: And that is actually true because last year was a
Speaker 2: tough year. It's a big birthday, but it was a
Speaker 2: tough year, and so I didn't feel like I even
Speaker 2: had the bandwidth to hope and to dream and to
Speaker 2: be excited and to look forward to. When you're stuck
Speaker 2: in something and you're overwhelmed by circumstances, you don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think that's one of the losses, is that you kind
Speaker 2: of lose hope and excitement about what's coming. And I
Speaker 2: feel that now, So yes, this is I'm excited about
Speaker 2: turning fifty one and Birthday week is probably going to
Speaker 2: turn into birthday month.
Speaker 1: Just letting you know I will be by your side
Speaker 1: the entirety of it. But it's so cool. It's one
Speaker 1: of the things I say about you all the time,
Speaker 1: and I say it to you privately, but it is
Speaker 1: one of the cutest things about you is that you
Speaker 1: get giddy about the smallest thing. No matter how old
Speaker 1: you get, you you have this kid like exuberance about
Speaker 1: the smallest of things. And it's fun to watch. Everybody
Speaker 1: should be like that.
Speaker 2: Ah well, thank you.
Speaker 4: Cool to watch appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Now we are turning. Now we're here in New York.
Speaker 1: But we got into it about a story out of Florida.
Speaker 1: And I say got into it because it's just I
Speaker 1: guess it's polarizing and you're you're going to have an
Speaker 1: opinion about This story has to do with a mom
Speaker 1: down in Florida who's she hasn't been banned from her kids'
Speaker 1: school necessarily please explain.
Speaker 2: Well, her vehicles have been so that might be the
Speaker 2: best way to put it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Florida Mom and this we.
Speaker 2: Were kind of laughing because we've been re immersing ourselves
Speaker 2: into headlines now getting back into the news cycle, and
Speaker 2: this one really stood out and was a talker. Michelle
Speaker 2: Klein's kids go to this private Christian school, Liberty Christian Prep,
Speaker 2: I believe, And for a couple of years now she's
Speaker 2: worked at the same place, had the same decal on
Speaker 2: her car highlighting where she works, and it didn't seem
Speaker 2: to be a problem until it became one. And it's
Speaker 2: because of where Michelle Clein works.
Speaker 1: Well, she has like millions of people do actually and
Speaker 1: OnlyFans dot Com page. She goes by Piper Fawn and
Speaker 1: the decal on the back of her vehicles says just that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything elicit like that, it doesn't have
Speaker 1: any images of any kind. It just says OnlyFans dot
Speaker 1: Com slash Piper font that is on the back of
Speaker 1: her vehicle. She has been dropping her kids off at
Speaker 1: this school and only recently now has the school told her, uh,
Speaker 1: do not come onto campus or in front of campus.
Speaker 1: We'll get specifics because Michelle Klein is standing by to
Speaker 1: talk to us here. Don't bring the vehicle on campus
Speaker 1: to where the other kids can see it. You need
Speaker 1: to go across the street to drop your kids off.
Speaker 2: Which Michelle says causes some safety concerns for her with
Speaker 2: her kids crossing the street. There isn't a crossing guard,
Speaker 2: There isn't a place where she feels comfortable. So there's
Speaker 2: several issues at play here, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: questioning why now it's not okay for her to bring
Speaker 2: her vehicle on and what harm does it actually do?
Speaker 2: Where does the school get to say, hey, this is
Speaker 2: what we want, and you know, does majority rule here?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of questions, a lot of people have
Speaker 2: been mulling around, and so let's bring Michelle Kleine onto
Speaker 2: the podcast now. Michelle, thank you for joining us from Florida.
Speaker 1: What of the past?
Speaker 2: I was going to say a few days, what have
Speaker 2: they been like for you? With now national international intention
Speaker 2: focused on you and your vehicles decals.
Speaker 5: It's funny because I think the perception of how we
Speaker 5: would be or what we are is different. We're just
Speaker 5: normal people. We're just a family of five living doing
Speaker 5: our thing and yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get some of the timeline right you how long,
Speaker 1: First of all, have you had an OnlyFans page of
Speaker 1: your own?
Speaker 4: I've had the page for probably three years.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, I know some of our folks that don't
Speaker 1: know it is. It is a site that's geared towards
Speaker 1: creators who want to use more explicit or sexually engaging content.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that everybody on the page has
Speaker 1: something illicit explicit on their particular pages. So you tell
Speaker 1: us what types of things you do have on your
Speaker 1: Only Fans.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll be honest.
Speaker 5: Mine is definitely explicit, and I was, you know, I
Speaker 5: told the news that as well. It definitely is. It's
Speaker 5: I'm not on go and make cookies, so it's definitely
Speaker 5: explicit material. However, I guess however it can be looked at.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure there's every point of view we
Speaker 5: could always give on this, But for me, it's just
Speaker 5: like it's just my husband and I. I don't have
Speaker 5: anyone else joining us, never have, never will. That's not
Speaker 5: saying we're not into like swinging or you know, sharing
Speaker 5: and swapping. Like it's just the two of us and
Speaker 5: before we got into the site. It was always something
Speaker 5: we kind of did for fun, you know, just the
Speaker 5: two of us. We'd send pictures back and forth, videos, whatever,
Speaker 5: you know. And then I had you know, people around
Speaker 5: me that were talking about it a few years ago,
Speaker 5: and we were at first we were like, I don't
Speaker 5: know if we want.
Speaker 4: To get into that.
Speaker 5: So then it was we would you know, edit my
Speaker 5: pictures and I would hide my face, cover my tattoos.
Speaker 5: And then that just became so much time in editing,
Speaker 5: and we kind of had this idea and this comedy's
Speaker 5: meetings to speak ironically, and we were like, you know what,
Speaker 5: let's just kind of make it to where we're you know,
Speaker 5: like it's either put our foot in and go all
Speaker 5: the way or don't. And so we just did it.
Speaker 5: And then I got to Decal probably about a year
Speaker 5: and two. We got the details on the cars, and yeah,
Speaker 5: drove for two years in the school.
Speaker 4: No one had an issue, and then all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: So then, at what point did you find out that
Speaker 2: someone had an issue? How did you find out there
Speaker 2: was a problem.
Speaker 5: It was approx. With me three weeks ago roughly, it
Speaker 5: was pretty recent. A angry mom h sent me a
Speaker 5: Facebook message, and at first she was just, you know,
Speaker 5: saying I saw this behind a car on Tuesday. It
Speaker 5: was a couple of days prior, and she's like, I
Speaker 5: just I don't think it's appropriate for you to put
Speaker 5: this on there. And my responsor is, you know, basically,
Speaker 5: mind your business. I feel like she was saying, I
Speaker 5: was livid. I saw it. I had a problem, I
Speaker 5: I I. But she never once said my kids questioned it,
Speaker 5: my kids want to know what it was. She never
Speaker 5: once brought up the kids having an issue. It was
Speaker 5: just her having an issue. And I feel like I'm
Speaker 5: not saying kids will know what it is. But my
Speaker 5: kids don't get in there and look in, you know,
Speaker 5: at cars when I'm pulling up for drop off.
Speaker 4: We don't have time to do that.
Speaker 5: We drop off, we're there for five minutes, and we're like,
Speaker 5: they don't sit there and look at cars and what morning?
Speaker 4: What's that? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: We don't do that? And then pick up bline. The
Speaker 5: kids aren't there. It's a mom's sitting in the car,
Speaker 5: so they don't see it until.
Speaker 4: I drive away. You know, I really feel like it's
Speaker 4: started from that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, how long have your your kids have been
Speaker 1: you said two years. You've been doing drop off pick
Speaker 1: up this school for two years, right, without a problem.
Speaker 1: What are your kids? How old are your kids?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 5: I have three? My oldest is fourteen. She doesn't go
Speaker 5: there anymore, she's home school. Does don't think she's actually
Speaker 5: like ahead of herself. She's going to graduate in like
Speaker 5: two years, like she's crazy ahead. Other two are eleven
Speaker 5: and twelve, so they're elementary and then middle school.
Speaker 1: Okay, have they had any issues at school? Is anyone
Speaker 1: picking on it? Have they complained at all?
Speaker 3: To you?
Speaker 5: My fifth grader had more talk in her class than
Speaker 5: my eighth grader did, which to me, I think is
Speaker 5: kind of crazy because that tells me that I feel
Speaker 5: like that's parents complaining about it and the kids are
Speaker 5: passing on. Because my fifth gradermar I can tell you
Speaker 5: right now, she doesn't have a clue about what's going on,
Speaker 5: like than what I tell her.
Speaker 4: Like they don't talk about it.
Speaker 5: I feel like people around them bring more light to
Speaker 5: it and discuss it way more than we do. They
Speaker 5: just don't really care, you know, until it's brought up
Speaker 5: to them or thrown their face.
Speaker 4: They don't care. And I've just instructed them, like if
Speaker 4: get th rob at school, we don't talk about it.
Speaker 4: We just say we're not going to discuss it. We
Speaker 4: just let it be.
Speaker 5: You know, everyone's going to have an opinion. We just
Speaker 5: we don't discuss it. And so far it's been okay.
Speaker 2: Well, that's really good to hear, because I was going
Speaker 2: to ask you, Michelle, how much do your kids know
Speaker 2: what it is that you do for a living, Like
Speaker 2: what do you tell them? And has that changed?
Speaker 5: Thus all of this sounds funny, But the kids, we
Speaker 5: just say a sexy time because they started calling it,
Speaker 5: so they know that it's sexy time between mommy and daddy,
Speaker 5: and they know that we like to film it. They
Speaker 5: do think it's like, eh, gross, you know. Of course,
Speaker 5: because we're the parents. Of course they don't think it's
Speaker 5: like funny or love it, you know. But at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, like they know that, and I'm
Speaker 5: honest with them about what it is, and that's all
Speaker 5: we really say. And we do have a studio that
Speaker 5: I do outside of the house, so I don't do
Speaker 5: any filming. It's not like you walk in my bedroom
Speaker 5: and the tripods and cameras and lights set up, you
Speaker 5: know there's something like that. My house is very normal,
Speaker 5: we have a normal household, normal daily whatever. I know,
Speaker 5: when they go to school, I go to work for
Speaker 5: a couple hours, and.
Speaker 4: That's how I spend my time. So I mean, so.
Speaker 5: Far they really, I mean I was. I had to
Speaker 5: be honest with them and tell them because I look
Speaker 5: at things where the delivery of things means a lot,
Speaker 5: and I feel like if they delivered this by a
Speaker 5: classmate versus hearing it from me, you can come out
Speaker 5: differently and they can have a different perspective on it.
Speaker 5: So I feel like if I kind of told them
Speaker 5: ahead of time before it ever got brought up a
Speaker 5: couple of years ago, you know, when I got the
Speaker 5: decals in my car, that's when.
Speaker 4: I let the kids know. So but they handled okay
Speaker 4: so far.
Speaker 1: So obviously you're not doing anything illegal. Obviously the site
Speaker 1: is up and wildly popular. I've read that only fans
Speaker 1: brought in five plus billion dollars in revenue from users
Speaker 1: get twenty two the last time. Its twenty two when
Speaker 1: they last reported. So this thing is popular. You can
Speaker 1: make money doing it. A lot people do it, so
Speaker 1: that's that's not the issue. So it is the issue,
Speaker 1: in your opinion, not really a disapproval of the decal,
Speaker 1: But all of these people are really expressing a disapproval
Speaker 1: of you and what you do and how you're making money.
Speaker 5: I think it's funny that just now it's coming out,
Speaker 5: Like I understand, if I'll be honest, if I would
Speaker 5: have had on for a month and I had this
Speaker 5: kind of blow, I probably would have taken it off.
Speaker 4: I probably like, okay, clearly that the people are really offended.
Speaker 4: This is not going to be okay.
Speaker 3: I got to remove it.
Speaker 5: But I went a solid two years and two almost
Speaker 5: two full school years and no one said a word
Speaker 5: to me. I mean, and I've actually had meetings with
Speaker 5: the principal about completely different things just grades or whatever.
Speaker 5: Behavior nothing else knew bad and every one since it's
Speaker 5: brought up, not one time. And so that's why I
Speaker 5: can tell the school didn't have the issue. Wasn't the
Speaker 5: school of the problem. It was a parent to just
Speaker 5: complain and got her viewers, you know, talking. And at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, I don't care about being
Speaker 5: on campus. It's not really a problem for me, to
Speaker 5: be honest, to walk my kids across like I've heard
Speaker 5: a lot of misconciption's like, oh, you're too lazy to
Speaker 5: walk your kids across.
Speaker 4: That's not the point.
Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is that since August, there's
Speaker 5: been three wrecks right there at this intersection where the
Speaker 5: people pull out of school. The last one was right
Speaker 5: before Christmas, like a gentleman with a seven year old in.
Speaker 4: The car got ta bone and it was a pretty
Speaker 4: severe accident. So my thing.
Speaker 5: And there's multiple neighborhoods nearby the kids walk from. So honestly,
Speaker 5: it's not even just about my kids, because whether I'm
Speaker 5: there or not, that's irrelevant. I just think there's other
Speaker 5: kids that are here that we should at least in
Speaker 5: place like a pedestrian crosswalk.
Speaker 4: Something along the lines right here.
Speaker 5: You know, they do it in downtown, and they do
Speaker 5: it in bigger areas all the time. Why how hard
Speaker 5: would it be to put the little flashing light where,
Speaker 5: you know, recognize that someone there, people stop and let
Speaker 5: a kid cross.
Speaker 2: What has the school specifically told you, what do they
Speaker 2: want from you? And what have the conversations been.
Speaker 5: Like so other than the first couple of emails that
Speaker 5: I got just basically telling me not to come on campus.
Speaker 5: I haven't heard anything since the brokeround the press and
Speaker 5: everything we haven't discussed. I've respectfully not even mentioned like
Speaker 5: the principal's name.
Speaker 4: I just I'm not out.
Speaker 5: To badger them or to complain to them.
Speaker 4: And honestly, I didn't ask for this fight, and I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I just feel like I've come three years into it.
Speaker 5: Why back down at this point?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: If I backed down this point, that's like everything I've
Speaker 5: ever done, all the hate I've ever put up with
Speaker 5: this for for nothing.
Speaker 4: So why not? Like, I'm not going to stop now,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I've already had it out there, so now I'm not
Speaker 5: gonna quit just because when Mom got mad and got offended.
Speaker 5: But there is other issues you know, that are I
Speaker 5: think that are deeper for her. I think hers honestly
Speaker 5: started out was she supposedly had been complaining about this
Speaker 5: for a while, and I just got told three weeks ago,
Speaker 5: and that's where she was telling me, you know you've
Speaker 5: been asked multiple times to take this down.
Speaker 4: Well no I haven't.
Speaker 5: I mean I have the one email that got sent
Speaker 5: literally approxiing three weeks ago and just said we asked
Speaker 5: that you don't bring your car on canvas anymore. And
Speaker 5: then he The words they used were it was causing
Speaker 5: disharmony in the school.
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned this, uh, this other parent, this mom?
Speaker 1: Is this someone you had a relationship with prior to
Speaker 1: all this happening.
Speaker 5: I had never met her and knew of her. It
Speaker 5: was funny last year my son and her son actually
Speaker 5: ran cross country together, and they were really good buddies.
Speaker 5: He's a year younger than my son, but they're really
Speaker 5: good buddies and really good terms. And I'd always met
Speaker 5: the dad, but the mom was never there, so I
Speaker 5: had no idea this is even the mom. And even
Speaker 5: when I lashed back at her, it wasn't really honestly,
Speaker 5: until we saw in the news and my son said, oh,
Speaker 5: that's so and So's mom, Like I know her, and
Speaker 5: so that's kind of how I even realized that our
Speaker 5: kids were friends last year. And what was funny is like,
Speaker 5: when I'm going to track meets last year and all
Speaker 5: these cross country meets, I had my car then with
Speaker 5: the liggo on it, and her husband was freely speaking
Speaker 5: with us and talking to us and friendly and kind
Speaker 5: and never said a word. But then now this year,
Speaker 5: she sees it and it's the world ends.
Speaker 1: Well, Michelle, have you all talked? Have you actually talked
Speaker 1: since all this has gone down? Okay, do you want
Speaker 1: to talk to her? And do you think you should
Speaker 1: right parents setting an example maybe through the kids that yay,
Speaker 1: we can work out our differences kind of things.
Speaker 5: I had a third lady from the school that I
Speaker 5: actually have dealt with by volunteering and things of that sort,
Speaker 5: and she actually reached out to me and she was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: I just want to know that I may not personally
Speaker 5: agree with you, but I also don't agree with the
Speaker 5: school either, and she kind of turned it into twists,
Speaker 5: was like, I think you two should come together, with
Speaker 5: the amount of social media that you both have come
Speaker 5: together and voice the issues about the school. And that's
Speaker 5: honestly what I ever care about. I don't need the media.
Speaker 5: I wasn't looking for like a payout. I wasn't I'm
Speaker 5: definitely not going to try to sue the school and
Speaker 5: never contact a lawyer. That was never I don't care
Speaker 5: what's up even if I could. That's not what I'm
Speaker 5: trying to do. I don't, that's not I'm not trying
Speaker 5: to set that presence for anyone. I just simply am
Speaker 5: just fighting for my rights and just defending myself like anyone.
Speaker 5: Would you know, I want my kids to understand that
Speaker 5: they can stand up for themselves. You know, when they
Speaker 5: feel that they're doing something right and they're not hurting anyone,
Speaker 5: then I feel like they should defend themselves. I can
Speaker 5: respect how people feel, but I also feel like people saying,
Speaker 5: you know, oh, you're soliciting sex to kids at a school. Well,
Speaker 5: I didn't purposely put the logo on to take you
Speaker 5: to school and solicit It's just on there permanently, and
Speaker 5: it goes everywhere I go. I don't necessarily try to
Speaker 5: pick up people from Walmart either, but it's on my
Speaker 5: car when I go there.
Speaker 2: Would you consider did you consider at any point saying
Speaker 2: all right, all cover it up when I pull into school?
Speaker 2: Was that something you ever even thought you might do?
Speaker 5: I mean, when I first had last year put it
Speaker 5: on and I drove in, I honestly was prepared for
Speaker 5: this kind of backlash back then. I was prepared for
Speaker 5: right away be like whoa, people like why you're not?
Speaker 5: What's what's going on? You know? And then I probably
Speaker 5: would have just removed it because it would have been
Speaker 5: a media issue. But now the fact that it's been
Speaker 5: so long and now just one person just wants to
Speaker 5: say something, and I just I guess I'm being defensive,
Speaker 5: and to be honest with you, it's really not that
Speaker 5: much bish. If we go to walk my kids across
Speaker 5: the street, I don't really mind doing that. That's not
Speaker 5: the point, the more or less the point, it's just okay,
Speaker 5: if you're going to have me do that, well, then
Speaker 5: while I'm doing it, you should look at the safety
Speaker 5: for all the kids crossing the street. You know, consider
Speaker 5: this for everyone. And it's like, if nothing else, if
Speaker 5: all this hate that I'm getting, if it comes out
Speaker 5: to where they do put some kind of safety there
Speaker 5: for the kids across, then I feel like I've done
Speaker 5: my job and I'll take the heat for that. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't care like ultimately that's what's saving the kids.
Speaker 1: Show what does a win look like in this situation?
Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be a win, could just
Speaker 1: be standing up for yourself and not backing down. But
Speaker 1: I mean, what is a resolution between you and the school,
Speaker 1: or even you and the school and this particular parent.
Speaker 1: What's a resolution that you would feel good about.
Speaker 4: I honestly am okay with the school.
Speaker 5: You're most likely playing my kids out, and I have
Speaker 5: considered just, you know, like doing homeschooling and then having
Speaker 5: a private tutor a couple of days a week, just
Speaker 5: to avoid the issues. I'm not here trying to surgrama.
Speaker 5: You know, Like there's an event that's happening this week
Speaker 5: in my kids' school that one of my daughters just
Speaker 5: having a chapel service, and obviously I want to go
Speaker 5: to it, so I'm going to have to either park
Speaker 5: off campus or I'm.
Speaker 4: Kind of an asshole.
Speaker 5: So I kind of what I will do is I'll
Speaker 5: go get a black towel and just cover up only
Speaker 5: fans in the back going car, take it on there
Speaker 5: and still leave Piper Fun showing. And then I'll go
Speaker 5: to the school and I'll participate and then i'll leave.
Speaker 5: But then it's not showing a link, it's just showing
Speaker 5: a name. So I mean, I'm kind of that jerk.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're petty. That's my kind of petty I.
Speaker 4: Am.
Speaker 5: I was tempted, honestly, to get a T shirt made
Speaker 5: and just say Piper Fun across the back with no
Speaker 5: logo just my name.
Speaker 4: But it's like, I'm sure I'm already.
Speaker 5: Gonna get hates from hell, you know, awful looks when
Speaker 5: I walk in there to this event this week. So
Speaker 5: but at the end of the day, like I don't,
Speaker 5: I don't walk in school wearing Gucci clothes.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not.
Speaker 5: I don't portray myself as trashy like I wear normal
Speaker 5: things I wear. You know, I'm modest, I don't. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't try to like show my body off everywhere
Speaker 5: we go. It's not like that. It's basically, this is something.
Speaker 5: Yes it's been advertised to be a big deal, but
Speaker 5: I don't openly just show everything, you know, I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not open with myself in that way. So it's
Speaker 5: like work is work.
Speaker 4: And then when I'm with my family, I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm a mom like And I think that's a misconception,
Speaker 5: feel to think that I have this portrayed, you know, character,
Speaker 5: and I just I show it all the time. But
Speaker 5: I can separate the two, And I think that's why
Speaker 5: people don't realize.
Speaker 2: I was just imagining. I mean, I know you were
Speaker 2: kind of going through it in your head too, what
Speaker 2: it'll be like now, so, yes, maybe you cover up
Speaker 2: part of what you have to cover up in your
Speaker 2: car to get into the actual school area, but when
Speaker 2: you're physically there, what are you anticipating, I mean, from
Speaker 2: the other parents.
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be awful.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be super uncomfortable. I'm not
Speaker 5: one that ever likes conversation. But also, if it comes
Speaker 5: to me, I will handle it if I need to.
Speaker 5: I'm not scared. If I won't back down, I'll defend myself.
Speaker 5: And I've always told my kids even when you're wrong,
Speaker 5: I'll defend you the best I can, you know, because
Speaker 5: that's what I'm your mom. So I believe in defending
Speaker 5: our rights and what we feel is right. And I'm
Speaker 5: not saying like go crazy, like hi a lawyer type,
Speaker 5: get my rights, you know whatever. But i just saying
Speaker 5: to defend yourself when you need to. I'm sure it's
Speaker 5: going to be super awkward. I'm sure I want to
Speaker 5: get a lot of looks because people just recognize me
Speaker 5: and if they don't have to, even if they don't
Speaker 5: see the car, they still recognize me. And at end
Speaker 5: of the day, I'm here for my kids. So I
Speaker 5: mean and I was laughing last night. My kids are
Speaker 5: doing like a little dance thing on Guitar Hero or
Speaker 5: whatever it is on the TV, and my parents were
Speaker 5: over and we're.
Speaker 4: Watching them and they're playing like life is normal.
Speaker 5: And I just I looked at them and I said
Speaker 5: to my parents, I'm like, it's so funny, because if
Speaker 5: you ask anyone else, my kids are traumatized and just
Speaker 5: horrible and just to have this terrible, you know, emotional
Speaker 5: distress right now and that's really not it. Like, look
Speaker 5: at these kids, like how happy they are, Like they're fine.
Speaker 5: They don't they don't care about what goes on until
Speaker 5: people give it life and bring it to them and
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like and that's what I want. I keep trying
Speaker 4: to say.
Speaker 5: It's like the more it's brought up and made about
Speaker 5: a big deal, the bigger it's going to last, the
Speaker 5: longer it's going to continue. And like the fact that
Speaker 5: my fifth grader got talked about the next day with
Speaker 5: her friends and my eighth grader didn't, that tells you
Speaker 5: right there. That's parents talking like they're making it worse.
Speaker 5: They're saying they don't want me to bring it out
Speaker 5: to their kids, But then they talk about it in
Speaker 5: front of them and they're they're they're doing.
Speaker 1: It, not me, Michelle, what is I stilled the part
Speaker 1: about it being super awkward at an event for your kids.
Speaker 1: Now again, people around town have known, they they knew
Speaker 1: about your site. But you think now just because the
Speaker 1: news is out there, they've been aware. We all been
Speaker 1: to PTA meetings, people buzz, they talk, they gossipy. Everybody's
Speaker 1: known this, So why why would they be giving you
Speaker 1: looks now just because it hit the news.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's well, it's because too the
Speaker 5: news is betrayed and people look at it as like
Speaker 5: I'm just, you know, just out to get a buck
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to you know, solicit my kids or
Speaker 5: exploit my kids to make a buck. And that was
Speaker 5: over my intention that when they contacted me, I could
Speaker 5: have just backed down and said no comment, but I
Speaker 5: chose to defend myself because yes, you're right, it has
Speaker 5: already been out there.
Speaker 4: It's already been on my car.
Speaker 5: It's not a new thing that I'm just like trying
Speaker 5: to see how it goes. Like it's been there, so
Speaker 5: I was never out to make a buck off of anything.
Speaker 5: But I just felt like I needed to defend myself.
Speaker 2: Because it is a Christian school. And I'll assume then
Speaker 2: you wanted your children to have Christian values as a
Speaker 2: part of their learning. What do you think the takeaway
Speaker 2: for them is watching all of this happen, and what
Speaker 2: do you want to make sure they know as their mother.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be a tough spot to.
Speaker 5: Be in, absolutely, and to be honest, to give you
Speaker 5: a little bit of backstory, is we actually the church
Speaker 5: that's affiliated went to school. We actually attended that church
Speaker 5: for a long time where and I honestly grew up
Speaker 5: Church of Christ. So I was very My parents are strict.
Speaker 5: My parents don't agree with what I'm doing. They don't
Speaker 5: just own me for it, like I said there in
Speaker 5: my house last night. So they definitely, you know, don't
Speaker 5: They don't love it, and they're like, you know, you're
Speaker 5: reads bread than this. But they also know that I'm
Speaker 5: an adult and they can't really control that. They just
Speaker 5: have to, like you know, just be there for me
Speaker 5: for any issues to school. And I know there's kids
Speaker 5: like I recognize all of that, but in the day,
Speaker 5: like like you said, it's just a link. I don't
Speaker 5: have an explicit picture up there, and it's blocked by
Speaker 5: a paywall, you know, I mean porn hub.
Speaker 4: It's free access.
Speaker 5: Anyone can type it in. Is there at least mine?
Speaker 5: You can't see anything. There's not even any dirty wording.
Speaker 5: Until you pay, you can't see anything. All it says
Speaker 5: is my name in a brief file, which is very
Speaker 5: simple and very modest until you pay and use a
Speaker 5: credit card and have an ID. So I feel like
Speaker 5: if a kid gains at that point, and that's the
Speaker 5: parent's fault because why are they allowing that to happening.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to be eighteen to access to.
Speaker 1: Stuff, all right, all right, Michelle, this is the point
Speaker 1: where I'll let you speak to to the folks, because
Speaker 1: folks of they are listening to this. There are some
Speaker 1: in the camp saying, lady, come on, just take the
Speaker 1: thing off the bag. It's a school. It's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. Even though it doesn't say anything explicit, it
Speaker 1: is still the advertisement sending people to something that does
Speaker 1: have explicit Come on, lady, just take the thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: talk to those folks for a moment. Whose sake, we
Speaker 1: can sul why is it not okay to just, you know,
Speaker 1: cave and concede that some people don't want to see
Speaker 1: that around the school.
Speaker 5: And I respect that, and that's why I've had no
Speaker 5: issue parking off campus. I'm just doing what they ask,
Speaker 5: you know. I realize they don't love it. So that's
Speaker 5: why I'm not fighting trying to say I want to
Speaker 5: be on campus.
Speaker 4: I want to do it. I want to do it.
Speaker 4: I'm just respected they've asked. I've never gone back and
Speaker 4: forth I argued with him.
Speaker 5: I just have said okay, And ever since he asked us,
Speaker 5: we've been parking, you know, off campus to do so.
Speaker 5: And again as a mom and maybe prior to not
Speaker 5: being in this and not having the different perspective on
Speaker 5: this that I do now, I can't say that I
Speaker 5: would disagree with these women and the parents that are
Speaker 5: feeling this way. I can't say that I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: been the same thing, like really, but I also am
Speaker 5: not the one to run my mouth. I'm really I asked,
Speaker 5: so then of the day I kind of tell like, well,
Speaker 5: that's it's you. You do you, that's your thing. But
Speaker 5: so I don't disagree that they feel a type of
Speaker 5: way I'm not knocking them for having that feeling. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're entitled to that, just like I'm entitled to feel
Speaker 5: how I want to feel. And again I'm never I
Speaker 5: was never there to push it on anybody. It's just
Speaker 5: simply it was on my car because I do drive
Speaker 5: her out a lot, and it is good advertising. It
Speaker 5: was never meant to affect the school, you know. It
Speaker 5: was just done to just benefit my business, you know.
Speaker 5: And like I said, this has been on there so long,
Speaker 5: and it's like it's just funny to just now come out.
Speaker 4: You to now be a.
Speaker 2: Problem, Michelle, How's business now?
Speaker 4: Really good? Really really good?
Speaker 5: And that's what's funny is because one lady made a
Speaker 5: comment I wanted the news posted. And honestly, I don't
Speaker 5: really give into those. I just ignore most of it.
Speaker 5: Don't don't faint into the comments. And I know people
Speaker 5: are gonna hate, and I've prepared for that. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's been pretty brutal about the oh you're such a
Speaker 5: terrible mom, you know, like you're disgusting, and like, okay.
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 5: The funniest thing is, I don't know if I can
Speaker 5: say this in your podcast, they'll say, like you're a
Speaker 5: whore mich. Well, technically that means if I see by
Speaker 5: multiple people and I'm not I'm only doing it with
Speaker 5: my husband who I'm married to, So technically that's not
Speaker 5: the proper term.
Speaker 4: But if you want to say trashy, say trashy, but
Speaker 4: you can't really call me that because I'm technically not
Speaker 4: that your.
Speaker 5: Insults correct, Yeah, exactly, Like if you're going to call
Speaker 5: me something, get it right. But my thing is like
Speaker 5: they keep giving it life and it just keeps going,
Speaker 5: and it's like, I obviously didn't expect that plan on that.
Speaker 5: I simply was just coming to defense to my own self.
Speaker 5: I had no idea like what it was going to become.
Speaker 5: I mean I had an idea I would obviously get
Speaker 5: an increased, but never what it is.
Speaker 4: I didn't expect it.
Speaker 1: How big of like that?
Speaker 4: We want to?
Speaker 2: Can we ask how big of an increase?
Speaker 4: I can say as far as.
Speaker 5: I would say, well, as far as money, it's several thousands,
Speaker 5: several thousands, like more than quadurable.
Speaker 1: But you can tell how many new subscribers are new
Speaker 1: views to your page. I'm not sure. Listen to me,
Speaker 1: I have no idea how this works. But I actually
Speaker 1: don't drivers.
Speaker 4: I went from a few hundred to like several thousand.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then yeah, it's crazy I had. I had
Speaker 5: no idea that it was going to be like that.
Speaker 5: And I mean again, I wasn't out looking for a book.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know people say like, oh, this is
Speaker 5: a plublicity sun she planned list, but I really didn't.
Speaker 5: I just like it came at me about needing something,
Speaker 5: and I went back and defended it, and it was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm defending myself, and then before I know it, it was
Speaker 5: this huge news story.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't really realize it was going to take
Speaker 4: such life.
Speaker 1: Its a long game.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, is this your only source of income? Explain,
Speaker 2: explain to us how much you count on this page
Speaker 2: to pay your bills.
Speaker 5: So it's always been like an extra. It's always basically
Speaker 5: always had my studio bills. It always will cover my
Speaker 5: studio rent, my utilities there, anything I need, theirs for
Speaker 5: his furniture, lighting upgrades, everything there, and then it's always
Speaker 5: been extra. So technically I would always pay that in
Speaker 5: my house mortgage as well, so basically just kind of
Speaker 5: covers all my big bills.
Speaker 4: So anything extra that I make as far as because
Speaker 4: as I do cut hair as well.
Speaker 5: I've been cutting hair since I was sixteen, so I
Speaker 5: do that as well. I incorporate some topless haircuts, so
Speaker 5: that kind of took a life of its own and
Speaker 5: made some money. I did a few events actually with
Speaker 5: like Trucks Gone Wilds you know, sponsored me, and I
Speaker 5: did some events with them, and did you know, something
Speaker 5: like a tent outside I had to have covered up,
Speaker 5: you know whatever. But yeah, I've done things like that,
Speaker 5: and so that's definitely helped too. So it's not my
Speaker 5: main source that I rely on. I mean, now I
Speaker 5: could definitely just rely on it, but I haven't ever.
Speaker 5: I've always had I like to have not have my
Speaker 5: eggs in my basket. I like to always be hustling
Speaker 5: and kind of doing multiple things and always just be
Speaker 5: on my toes.
Speaker 4: My husband does ecy.
Speaker 5: Work for a living as well, so he has his
Speaker 5: own business doing that, so we kind of just dabbling whatever.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 5: I don't ever want to count on one thing and
Speaker 5: just expect that other people desires or I was going
Speaker 5: to basically pay my bills, you know, because I know
Speaker 5: any day that could be over and it's tomorrow that
Speaker 5: could be done. So I don't try to depend on
Speaker 5: and expect that it's going to be there forever.
Speaker 1: Joe, you said something earlier when referencing your parents who
Speaker 1: were at your house. So you you say, of course
Speaker 1: they love you, love the kids, love the fans, all this,
Speaker 1: and even though they might not agree with what you're doing.
Speaker 1: But you use the phrase raised better than this you
Speaker 1: were selling. You said you had a strict upbringing and
Speaker 1: going to the kids, going to your kids. Now you
Speaker 1: chose to have them at a private Christian school. So
Speaker 1: how do you and how does anyone reconcile?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: The family members or even maybe somewhere in your own
Speaker 1: mind at some point in recent years would have looked
Speaker 1: at someone doing what you're doing and said that's not
Speaker 1: for me, because I was raised better than this. Right,
Speaker 1: people who look at you and say that's not what
Speaker 1: you should be doing, even having kids in the house,
Speaker 1: how do you and help me there? I was raised
Speaker 1: in the church as well, But how do you kind
Speaker 1: of reconcile those two worlds of yours that are kind
Speaker 1: of certainly colliding.
Speaker 4: So growing up I was raised for to Christ.
Speaker 5: I was in church, three times a week, Sunday morning,
Speaker 5: Sunday night, Wednesday night, and there is no missing it.
Speaker 4: And if we were out.
Speaker 5: Of town on Sunday, but we had our own little
Speaker 5: church service in a hotel room, like, we didn't miss
Speaker 5: it for the world.
Speaker 4: So, if anything, when I.
Speaker 5: Turned around, you know, nineteen twenty and I kind of
Speaker 5: moved out of my parents' house, I did get out
Speaker 5: of the church a little bit because I felt a
Speaker 5: little like so pressured for my whole life of always
Speaker 5: being in it. So then I was obviously as I
Speaker 5: had kids, and I wanted them to be part of
Speaker 5: it because that was my childhood growing up and it
Speaker 5: was important to me.
Speaker 4: So when we started hitting.
Speaker 5: This church probably six years ago, we weren't doing this.
Speaker 5: We were just fully into church and we were just
Speaker 5: both working normal jobs. So I was in a barbershop
Speaker 5: cutting hair. He was working for an easy company. He
Speaker 5: actually took care of the air conditioning for the entire
Speaker 5: school and the church, my husband did at one point,
Speaker 5: and that the game an issue. Yeah, obviously didn't last
Speaker 5: when the well, once that kind of went away, that's
Speaker 5: when I kind of had a little bit of an
Speaker 5: f you attitude and like Okay, I'm putting a detail
Speaker 5: in my car like that's kind of how it started,
Speaker 5: because I felt like he got a little pushed out.
Speaker 4: I didn't like the way it was handled.
Speaker 5: So if you wanted the true backstory, that's kind of
Speaker 5: how it starts, then we still.
Speaker 1: Wait, Michelle, that was a very important detail.
Speaker 4: Just you guys got the first two on that.
Speaker 1: You're telling me this whole thing started as kind of
Speaker 1: a beef, if you will, between you and the church,
Speaker 1: and you just kind of did it as a as
Speaker 1: an f you to the to the church.
Speaker 4: I mean went to the church.
Speaker 5: That sounds sad, I don't like to say that, but
Speaker 5: too definitely to the school because ultimately what happened, I'm
Speaker 5: getting super long winded about it. Basically, the headmaster didn't
Speaker 5: have much of a backbone, so when he was told
Speaker 5: to basical kind of pushed my husband out, so to speak. Again,
Speaker 5: pre only fans, pre decals, pre all that stuff. We
Speaker 5: were fully going, dedicated to the church in every event
Speaker 5: they had. We were doing everything they could, just super involved,
Speaker 5: going to little life groups, the preachers how you know,
Speaker 5: just very very much included. And I mean even when
Speaker 5: I had my boob job, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: and the preacher's wife brought me food to our house
Speaker 5: for dinner.
Speaker 4: It's like, we're very close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you had great stories.
Speaker 5: You guys are hearing all over there, so yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean that's kind of how it was. Like we were
Speaker 5: very close with everyone in the church, and we like
Speaker 5: we che didn't like family, and to be honest, even
Speaker 5: more backstory, after before all this even started, probably about
Speaker 5: three months ago, my husband and I just reached out
Speaker 5: to the preacher even though we weren't going there anymore.
Speaker 5: I just couldn't ask for some like just couples counseling,
Speaker 5: just because it's healthy and good, and we figured, why
Speaker 5: not just stronger, make our marriage stronger.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He ignored the call text wait like three or four days,
Speaker 5: and then passed them on to someone else. Here, here's
Speaker 5: a number of someone else you can call. So again
Speaker 5: I felt very like, okay, like a few again, you know,
Speaker 5: I felt a little bit like shit, like sorry friendly,
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can say that, but.
Speaker 4: I just didn't like the way I was felt I
Speaker 4: was treated.
Speaker 5: And again, you know, I know everyone has a type
Speaker 5: of feeling of about this, So yeah, I guess that's
Speaker 5: where it kind of started. They pushed them out of
Speaker 5: the ac work and so I was like, Okay, Decay's
Speaker 5: in the car. But then still nothing was ever said.
Speaker 5: They let it go for two years and then finally
Speaker 5: it takes a mom to say something.
Speaker 4: Michelle.
Speaker 2: Michel, let me ask you this, do you consider yourself
Speaker 2: a Christian?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 5: I mean, because here's the way I look at it
Speaker 5: and God's eyes. The way I was always taught and
Speaker 5: the way you know I always grew up was that
Speaker 5: a sinning is a sin is the same you know,
Speaker 5: we as obviously as humans and in real life we
Speaker 5: have different levels of you know, what's bad, and some
Speaker 5: have consequences in the law, and you break the law,
Speaker 5: you kill someone, and you go to jail. But I
Speaker 5: also feel like I've learned in God's eyes that a
Speaker 5: sin is a sin. Whether you lie or whether you
Speaker 5: shoot someone, You're still in God's eye is an equal sin.
Speaker 5: So like I realized what I'm doing is sinning in
Speaker 5: God's eyes, and according to the Church and Christian beliefs,
Speaker 5: I recognize that.
Speaker 4: But I also at the.
Speaker 5: End of the day, well, when you get on you know,
Speaker 5: online and maybe talk ugly to someone. I judge someone
Speaker 5: online because of what they've done, well, that's sinning. Well
Speaker 5: you lie to someone with that's sinning. Like we can
Speaker 5: see and go all day long about what you've done
Speaker 5: wrong or whatever, and in God's eyes, what's bad. But
Speaker 5: that's what the problem is is us, as normal humans,
Speaker 5: we judge each other. We definitely you know, oh, you're
Speaker 5: doing it worse because that's worse than what I'm doing,
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Michelle, I was going to ask you
Speaker 2: how you for other fellow Christians who don't think you
Speaker 2: could be a Christian and at the same time do
Speaker 2: what you do for a living teach. You and I
Speaker 2: just looked at each other when you said, I know
Speaker 2: I'm sinning. What is the actual sin that you're committing?
Speaker 5: I think, biblically speaking, I think pornography in itself would
Speaker 5: probably be wrong if you're looking at from the Christian aspect.
Speaker 4: The way people are looking at it is like, well, it's.
Speaker 5: The privacy of your own home. You should keep your
Speaker 5: sex life with your husband private. You shouldn't share it,
Speaker 5: you know. So I guess that would be where they
Speaker 5: would come from the Christian aspect of what's sinny. I
Speaker 5: would think they would say that, well, you're selling pornography,
Speaker 5: so that's not okay.
Speaker 4: But that's my thing.
Speaker 5: I could see the being this upset if I was
Speaker 5: like had to slew of guys on there or something,
Speaker 5: but that is It may sound stupid or hypocritical to say,
Speaker 5: but my husband I both agree we got into this
Speaker 5: that we are going to keep our morals. You know,
Speaker 5: we weren't going to be crazy, and like, sure, there's
Speaker 5: been tons of offers to make money and do other
Speaker 5: things and get thousands of dollars doing other things that
Speaker 5: we've always said we're not doing that. I'm not going
Speaker 5: to stoop down to anything just for money. And that's
Speaker 5: why it's so laughable that this whole thing has been
Speaker 5: made to look like I was doing it for publicity's time.
Speaker 5: It's like it really wasn't because I've had multiple ways
Speaker 5: to make lots of money and doing this, and I've
Speaker 5: always turned it down because I always wanted to keep
Speaker 5: my morals intact, and we've always agreed that it's a
Speaker 5: him and I thing, and that's it.
Speaker 1: Has there been anyone from the church or from the
Speaker 1: school that actually embraces you who even if they you
Speaker 1: can love the sin but not you can love the
Speaker 1: sinner but not the sin. I guess, But is it
Speaker 1: You're not getting any support from really?
Speaker 4: Are one single person has reached out. I'm not even
Speaker 4: my sister.
Speaker 5: My sister's heavily into the church and her and I
Speaker 5: don't really speak, but she hasn't even reached out to me.
Speaker 5: And I just laugh because I'm like, she claims to
Speaker 5: be such a better person than me, as all these
Speaker 5: other people. But I'm like, but if you got yourself
Speaker 5: a Christian, wouldn't that be your Christian duty, you know,
Speaker 5: to kind of reach out and say, hey, you know,
Speaker 5: I love you. I don't agree with doing but I
Speaker 5: wish you would do better and I'm thinking of you
Speaker 5: are and praying for you or but no.
Speaker 1: Nothing, well, Michelle, you all are? You all are still
Speaker 1: in church regularly, you and your.
Speaker 4: Family, So we're not going there. No, not enough that
Speaker 4: we definitely cut that back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess that's the point. What do you
Speaker 1: do there too? I'm surprised to hear that, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, and I think a lot of other
Speaker 1: people might not be surprised to think that. Folks who
Speaker 1: are doing good work, or who shouted from the mountaintops
Speaker 1: how good they are and how great a Christian they
Speaker 1: are are sometimes the first to reject you.
Speaker 2: Right, Jesus, if we want to go back to Christianity,
Speaker 2: Jesus was hanging out with the tech collectors and the
Speaker 2: people who people considered unseemly, the prostitutes, the sinners. So
Speaker 2: you know that that is the cornerstone of Christianity is
Speaker 2: to not judge and to love everyone. And you can disagree,
Speaker 2: you don't have to accept, but you do love and
Speaker 2: you do welcome people. So I we hear you, We
Speaker 2: hear you. We were both raised in faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very just so surprised to hear that.
Speaker 1: I saw your face immediately when I was asking the
Speaker 1: question that as soon as it started coming out of
Speaker 1: my mouth asking that, but you were shaking your head
Speaker 1: like that was like, it's definitively nobody.
Speaker 4: Well, and that is surprising, because I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 5: I mean how I was raised and if I was
Speaker 5: actively in the churchren now and I heard this, and
Speaker 5: I probably would reach out to someone and I would
Speaker 5: just say, you know, if I was more heavily into church,
Speaker 5: and I would probably reach on and just be like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm saying a prayer for you, or
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of you, you know, And that's that's kind
Speaker 5: of like all And that's kind of how my mom
Speaker 5: and dad have been. You know, we don't love what
Speaker 5: you're doing, but we love you, and we love your kids,
Speaker 5: and we love your family, and we're going to be
Speaker 5: here for you no matter what. And you know, we're
Speaker 5: here for you as long as the kids are in
Speaker 5: harm's way the moment they are, you know, we will
Speaker 5: step in. And that's kind of where it's at. And
Speaker 5: that's all I need.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not asking for everyone to agree with me.
Speaker 5: You don't have to love what I do, don't We
Speaker 5: always always something about someone else that we don't like
Speaker 5: what they do or whatever, But that doesn't mean we
Speaker 5: have to hate them.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned your sister as well. You all
Speaker 1: haven't really been speaking before this or since you started
Speaker 1: with only fans, So it was really funny.
Speaker 5: In the situation with her, probably two years ago give
Speaker 5: her take, probably before the decal, possibly she had asked
Speaker 5: me to go to dinner one night and I said, okay,
Speaker 5: well I knew what it was about.
Speaker 4: Because her and I just don't really have days the
Speaker 4: two of us.
Speaker 5: I mean, we definitely spend time together as families and
Speaker 5: events and get togethers in whatever holidays, but we really
Speaker 5: don't have one on one.
Speaker 4: So I knew and she asked me had a good
Speaker 4: feeling it was about.
Speaker 5: This, and it was at that time there was I
Speaker 5: had a snapchat, which I don't have any longer, but
Speaker 5: I had then in the local the local fire to
Speaker 5: fire when I guess had found out about it, and
Speaker 5: they were talking about it. Well, her husband worked for
Speaker 5: the city of Tavari's, Well it got back to him
Speaker 5: pretty quick, and then she's like, it's embarrassing that he's
Speaker 5: going to the fire departments to just talk to people
Speaker 5: and they're saying.
Speaker 4: Hey, check out this girl. And he's like, well, that's
Speaker 4: my sister, you know, like my sister in law.
Speaker 2: So that was.
Speaker 5: Obviously an awkward situation. But when she told me, I
Speaker 5: laughed because I was like, okay, And I think she
Speaker 5: thought like if I knew that she knew that, I
Speaker 5: was going, oh my gosh, I'm gonna stop, you know, like,
Speaker 5: and I had to accept it a long time ago
Speaker 5: that when I started doing this, it was going to
Speaker 5: be out there.
Speaker 4: I had to just be okay with that. I had
Speaker 4: to just accept, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 5: And uh but yeah, so that was the first time
Speaker 5: we had an issue and then we kind of I
Speaker 5: just basically where I left.
Speaker 4: It was like, well, I'm not going to stop. I'm
Speaker 4: going to do this.
Speaker 5: And then her thing to me then was like, well,
Speaker 5: what if you get someone's angry wife coming after you
Speaker 5: or I'm like, that is always a possibility, all right,
Speaker 5: and this is risk. You know, it's definitely risk I
Speaker 5: considered when I got into this. But she we really
Speaker 5: don't speak since then. We've never been super super close, but.
Speaker 4: We've always gotten along.
Speaker 5: We've always communicated, but I haven't heard from her in
Speaker 5: months and really since then, it's kind of when we
Speaker 5: really did take a turn, and I really haven't talked
Speaker 5: to her at all during this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you learn a lot about yourself but also where
Speaker 2: you stand with other people when you go through something
Speaker 2: like this, and it has it has it been worth it?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like, now that you have experienced this
Speaker 2: in such a large way, what what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on your decisions?
Speaker 5: Honestly, like I always I always felt like these parents
Speaker 5: felt this way about me, you know, I always felt
Speaker 5: like they were kind of like pissy and it's like
Speaker 5: I only like her and Judge And I've never been
Speaker 5: on like the PTA home to go sit in a
Speaker 5: meeting anyway, That's never me. I will always go to
Speaker 5: navaan I guess have a field day or a travel
Speaker 5: service or an award, like I'm going to be there
Speaker 5: less they forced me out, you know, no matter what,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be there. But I don't go, you know,
Speaker 5: prance and around to get atention. I definitely don't really
Speaker 5: volunteer anymore. I just kind of avoid all of that stuff,
Speaker 5: you know, because I'm not trying to cause issues and
Speaker 5: as they would say, disharmony in the school.
Speaker 4: But I mean, yeah, I kind of already expected they
Speaker 4: would do that.
Speaker 5: But I mean it's monetarily speaking, Yeah, it was one
Speaker 5: thousand percent more that I would do it again. And
Speaker 5: so far my kids have not been affected anyway. They
Speaker 5: don't come to me and act like they hate it,
Speaker 5: they're miserable, like they haven't really they'll come home then
Speaker 5: maybe tell me a little bit of things. Like my
Speaker 5: my fifth grader, she was like, you know, oh, some
Speaker 5: time I was talking about today and I was like,
Speaker 5: what did you say. She's like, I just don't to
Speaker 5: stop talking about They were just mad because they're afraid
Speaker 5: their mom will let me hang out with them because
Speaker 5: they know what you do.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well that's a risk.
Speaker 5: But they didn't really. She didn't really spend long talking
Speaker 5: about it. She quickly moved on, And they have not
Speaker 5: really voiced it to me at all, like that it's
Speaker 5: a problem to them. So I would say, so far,
Speaker 5: I'm fine with it now. I definitely think if if
Speaker 5: he had, you know, if they had any issues, or
Speaker 5: if they were really like struggling, then I definitely have
Speaker 5: a different opinion about that. But so far I can say, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's been worth it.
Speaker 1: If the adults in this situation could come together and
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lesson for not just your kids,
Speaker 1: but all the kids at the school to come out
Speaker 1: of this. What lesson do you see that kids, all
Speaker 1: of them at that school could learn from what the
Speaker 1: adults are.
Speaker 5: The problem is with the mom who has got upset. Honestly,
Speaker 5: the issues go way deeper. And that's why I was
Speaker 5: saying that the third mom. Then it kind of sepped
Speaker 5: in a kind of voice to me, and she was like,
Speaker 5: you guys should go together and really team up on
Speaker 5: this issue. Because what stimmed from was she was complaining
Speaker 5: about this issue for a while and apparently nothing was
Speaker 5: done about it. I don't know how long. I just
Speaker 5: know three weeks ago is the first time I got
Speaker 5: brought to me. But she has been complaining for months
Speaker 5: well then, and then she felt like nothing was done.
Speaker 5: She felt like administration was really neglecting her kids and
Speaker 5: just not really being there and doing it their part.
Speaker 5: And so in that I can relate to her mom
Speaker 5: to mom, I can understand where she's coming from. You know,
Speaker 5: when you're voicing a problem problem, so when you're paying
Speaker 5: for a private school tuition, they should handle your issues
Speaker 5: and they should definitely address them. And they never once
Speaker 5: came to me and said anything to me about it. And
Speaker 5: they told her that they did, because she said to
Speaker 5: me that I know you've been told about this before,
Speaker 5: but I definitely had not. And obviously if I had
Speaker 5: been already to ask, I would already a stop this.
Speaker 5: So this is the first it had been brought to me.
Speaker 4: So in a way, I feel for her because I
Speaker 4: understand where she's coming from.
Speaker 1: No lesson for the kids, Michelle, Is there no lessons
Speaker 1: for the kids here?
Speaker 4: Not really?
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I'm sorry a little off fit by Honestly,
Speaker 5: I don't really know what the lesson be with the
Speaker 5: kids here. I mean, I feel like the kids are
Speaker 5: not really the ones complaining. It's parents, you know. I
Speaker 5: feel like the parents are what's making it a deal.
Speaker 5: They're making it a problem, you know, they're making it
Speaker 5: an issue because it never had been a big issue
Speaker 5: until now, until this one mom with a TikTok and
Speaker 5: a big mouths use my language, but I just I
Speaker 5: feel like that's how it started. So for a lesson
Speaker 5: to kids, I really don't know. My lesson for my kids,
Speaker 5: but I'm trying to say is that when you know
Speaker 5: you're not breaking the law, you're not doing anything to
Speaker 5: harm someone else, and you're sure of that and we
Speaker 5: know that, then defend yourself, stand up for what you
Speaker 5: feel is right. If you think what you're doing is right,
Speaker 5: and okay, no matter what it may be, you know,
Speaker 5: just because people don't like something doesn't make it wrong.
Speaker 5: And let's be honest, I mean, without sounding too cliche,
Speaker 5: you're cheesy, but typically when you're when you're like making
Speaker 5: a big deal about something or you're out there, people
Speaker 5: are going to hate on you because they just are
Speaker 5: mad because they're not able to get out.
Speaker 4: There or do what you're doing or whatever it is.
Speaker 5: So I feel like if you're being hated us because
Speaker 5: you're doing something right, you know everyone's gonna If you're
Speaker 5: not making the scene or not doing anything exciting, then
Speaker 5: people aren't gonna talk about you. And not that I'm
Speaker 5: wanting that, I don't mean to sound like that, but
Speaker 5: I just I feel like, I don't know, I feel
Speaker 5: like there's so many people that get offended so easy
Speaker 5: these days, and I feel like if we just back
Speaker 5: down to everything everyone says, then like what kind of
Speaker 5: person are we making ourselves? And I just I want
Speaker 5: my kids to stand up for what they feel it's
Speaker 5: right and as song as like I said, long as
Speaker 5: it's not illegal and you're not breaking you're not burning
Speaker 5: the law, you're not hurting someone, you know, then do
Speaker 5: what you feel is right, Like back up yourself. Don't
Speaker 5: let someone talk you down and push you away or
Speaker 5: push you down because they don't like what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Well, Michelle Klein. We really appreciate your time. It was
Speaker 2: it was fascinating talking with you and hearing how you
Speaker 2: got to where you are and what your life is
Speaker 2: like now. So thank you so much for coming on
Speaker 2: the podcast. It's Michelle, but also Piper font right. Want
Speaker 2: to make sure everyone knows you're you're And by the way, I.
Speaker 5: Just want to say I have fifty one Holy cow.
Speaker 5: I hope that I have genes that are half as
Speaker 5: good as you are.
Speaker 2: My word, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I was hearing that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, no way, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Husband speaking and trying to like peek around the camera.
Speaker 1: See what I'm like, Oh, I'm here, I'm here. You
Speaker 1: know he was there. Oh my god, it this because
Speaker 1: looking woman. He's been sitting there quietly this whole time. Michelle,
Speaker 1: you should have let us know.
Speaker 2: That's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, well, really God, And I hope I
Speaker 1: guess everything. Your husband's there now and we can hear
Speaker 1: his voice, but I assume a man. Everything she said
Speaker 1: you pretty much agree with. But you know, what, how
Speaker 1: has it been for you? Knowing a lot of the
Speaker 1: the negative attention has come the direction of the woman
Speaker 1: you love.
Speaker 3: The attention is it's it's hard to wrap your head around.
Speaker 6: In the beginning, we've been doing this for like three
Speaker 6: years now, so the attention's always been there, but now
Speaker 6: since the media has got ahold of it, it's nerve
Speaker 6: wracking but also exciting.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you could say we got our
Speaker 6: fifteen seconds of fame, but you know, it wasn't at
Speaker 6: the children's expense. That's the biggest thing. There was an
Speaker 6: issue at the school. We tried to bring into it,
Speaker 6: the attention. We never had a resolution, and then finally
Speaker 6: it just took one angry parent to just like not
Speaker 6: want it to see the stickers anymore.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure she's already said it.
Speaker 6: The stickers have been on both cars well over two years,
Speaker 6: and we've been in that parking lot two or three
Speaker 6: times a day.
Speaker 3: You know, as long as skill is going on and
Speaker 3: no issues. But I don't know.
Speaker 6: But as far as the attention, it's I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's good and bad at the same time. With all
Speaker 6: this coverage. Right now, she's on her phone twenty four
Speaker 6: to seven, so I guess that's the downfall.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't get.
Speaker 6: The one on one that I want at late at
Speaker 6: night because she's so busy all over this phone.
Speaker 3: You know, don't get a phone out of your hand.
Speaker 3: Let's go make a video or something.
Speaker 1: Come on, get Oh yeah, sexy time. We heard all
Speaker 1: about sexy time. I think is once you got you
Speaker 1: all are smiling and have I know it's a lot
Speaker 1: and people have their opinions, but you all seem to
Speaker 1: have each other and have it together and know what
Speaker 1: you want to do, and so you all keep doing
Speaker 1: your thing. But thank you for taking some time with us.
Speaker 3: All right, absolutely, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, I appreciate it. It's nice to meet you.
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