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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody freshesh off the Q train from downtown

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Speaker 1: Ropes and TJ coming to you from the iHeart Studios

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Speaker 1: in Midtown man Hattan. Wherever you are, glad you are

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Speaker 1: with us, and this is going to robes be the

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Speaker 1: final podcast episode that we're recording before your birthday.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, you will.

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Speaker 1: Be a new woman and the next time we work

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Speaker 1: in studio to get.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'll be officially in my fifties. Oh that sounds

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Speaker 2: different than saying I just turned fifty. I'll be in

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Speaker 2: my fifties.

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Speaker 1: Is that different?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the thick of it, like I'm emergency. Yes, yes, yes, no.

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Speaker 2: This is birthday week, so it's exciting.

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Speaker 1: What are you really what are you looking forward to?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: For the new year, the new you know.

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Speaker 2: Fifty one, I'm looking forward to looking forward to things.

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Speaker 2: And that is actually true because last year was a

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Speaker 2: tough year. It's a big birthday, but it was a

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Speaker 2: tough year, and so I didn't feel like I even

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Speaker 2: had the bandwidth to hope and to dream and to

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Speaker 2: be excited and to look forward to. When you're stuck

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Speaker 2: in something and you're overwhelmed by circumstances, you don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: think that's one of the losses, is that you kind

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Speaker 2: of lose hope and excitement about what's coming. And I

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Speaker 2: feel that now, So yes, this is I'm excited about

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Speaker 2: turning fifty one and Birthday week is probably going to

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Speaker 2: turn into birthday month.

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Speaker 1: Just letting you know I will be by your side

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Speaker 1: the entirety of it. But it's so cool. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the things I say about you all the time,

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Speaker 1: and I say it to you privately, but it is

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Speaker 1: one of the cutest things about you is that you

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Speaker 1: get giddy about the smallest thing. No matter how old

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Speaker 1: you get, you you have this kid like exuberance about

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Speaker 1: the smallest of things. And it's fun to watch. Everybody

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Speaker 2: Ah well, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Cool to watch appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Now we are turning. Now we're here in New York.

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Speaker 1: But we got into it about a story out of Florida.

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Speaker 1: And I say got into it because it's just I

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Speaker 1: guess it's polarizing and you're you're going to have an

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Speaker 1: opinion about This story has to do with a mom

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Speaker 1: down in Florida who's she hasn't been banned from her kids'

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Speaker 1: school necessarily please explain.

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Speaker 2: Well, her vehicles have been so that might be the

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Speaker 1: Yes, Florida Mom and this we.

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Speaker 2: Were kind of laughing because we've been re immersing ourselves

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Speaker 2: into headlines now getting back into the news cycle, and

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Speaker 2: this one really stood out and was a talker. Michelle

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Speaker 2: Klein's kids go to this private Christian school, Liberty Christian Prep,

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Speaker 2: I believe, And for a couple of years now she's

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Speaker 2: worked at the same place, had the same decal on

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Speaker 2: her car highlighting where she works, and it didn't seem

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Speaker 2: to be a problem until it became one. And it's

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Speaker 2: because of where Michelle Clein works.

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Speaker 1: Well, she has like millions of people do actually and

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Speaker 1: OnlyFans dot Com page. She goes by Piper Fawn and

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Speaker 1: the decal on the back of her vehicles says just that.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have anything elicit like that, it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Com slash Piper font that is on the back of

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Speaker 1: her vehicle. She has been dropping her kids off at

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Speaker 1: this school and only recently now has the school told her, uh,

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Speaker 1: We'll get specifics because Michelle Klein is standing by to

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Speaker 2: Which Michelle says causes some safety concerns for her with

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Speaker 2: There isn't a place where she feels comfortable. So there's

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Speaker 2: several issues at play here, but a lot of people

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Speaker 2: questioning why now it's not okay for her to bring

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Speaker 2: Where does the school get to say, hey, this is

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of questions, a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: the podcast now. Michelle, thank you for joining us from Florida.

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Speaker 1: What of the past?

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Speaker 2: I was going to say a few days, what have

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Speaker 2: they been like for you? With now national international intention

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Speaker 2: focused on you and your vehicles decals.

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Speaker 5: It's funny because I think the perception of how we

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Speaker 5: normal people. We're just a family of five living doing

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get some of the timeline right you how long,

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Speaker 1: First of all, have you had an OnlyFans page of

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Speaker 1: your own?

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Speaker 4: I've had the page for probably three years.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Now, I know some of our folks that don't

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Speaker 1: creators who want to use more explicit or sexually engaging content.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that everybody on the page has

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Speaker 1: something illicit explicit on their particular pages. So you tell

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll be honest.

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Speaker 5: Mine is definitely explicit, and I was, you know, I

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Speaker 5: told the news that as well. It definitely is. It's

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Speaker 5: I'm not on go and make cookies, so it's definitely

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Speaker 5: explicit material. However, I guess however it can be looked at.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure there's every point of view we

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Speaker 5: like it's just my husband and I. I don't have

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Speaker 5: anyone else joining us, never have, never will. That's not

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Speaker 5: saying we're not into like swinging or you know, sharing

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Speaker 5: before we got into the site. It was always something

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Speaker 5: me that were talking about it a few years ago,

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Speaker 5: and we were at first we were like, I don't

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Speaker 4: To get into that.

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Speaker 5: So then it was we would you know, edit my

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Speaker 5: And then that just became so much time in editing,

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Speaker 5: And then I got to Decal probably about a year

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Speaker 4: No one had an issue, and then all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: So then, at what point did you find out that

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Speaker 5: It was approx. With me three weeks ago roughly, it

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Speaker 5: mind your business. I feel like she was saying, I

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Speaker 5: was livid. I saw it. I had a problem, I

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Speaker 4: We don't have time to do that.

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Speaker 5: We drop off, we're there for five minutes, and we're like,

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Speaker 5: they don't sit there and look at cars and what morning?

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Speaker 4: What's that? What does that mean?

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Speaker 5: We don't do that? And then pick up bline. The

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Speaker 4: I drive away. You know, I really feel like it's

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Speaker 1: Oh no, how long have your your kids have been

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Speaker 1: you said two years. You've been doing drop off pick

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Speaker 1: up this school for two years, right, without a problem.

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Speaker 1: What are your kids? How old are your kids?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: Okay, have they had any issues at school? Is anyone

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Speaker 5: My fifth grader had more talk in her class than

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Speaker 4: Like they don't talk about it.

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Speaker 5: I feel like people around them bring more light to

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Speaker 4: They don't care. And I've just instructed them, like if

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Speaker 4: We just say we're not going to discuss it. We

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Speaker 5: You know, everyone's going to have an opinion. We just

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Speaker 2: Well, that's really good to hear, because I was going

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Speaker 2: to ask you, Michelle, how much do your kids know

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Speaker 2: what it is that you do for a living, Like

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Speaker 2: what do you tell them? And has that changed?

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Speaker 5: Thus all of this sounds funny, But the kids, we

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Speaker 5: just say a sexy time because they started calling it,

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Speaker 5: so they know that it's sexy time between mommy and daddy,

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Speaker 5: and they know that we like to film it. They

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Speaker 5: do think it's like, eh, gross, you know. Of course,

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Speaker 5: because we're the parents. Of course they don't think it's

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Speaker 5: honest with them about what it is, and that's all

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Speaker 5: we really say. And we do have a studio that

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Speaker 5: I do outside of the house, so I don't do

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Speaker 5: any filming. It's not like you walk in my bedroom

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Speaker 5: and the tripods and cameras and lights set up, you

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Speaker 5: know there's something like that. My house is very normal,

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Speaker 5: we have a normal household, normal daily whatever. I know,

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Speaker 4: That's how I spend my time. So I mean, so.

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Speaker 5: Far they really, I mean I was. I had to

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Speaker 5: But I went a solid two years and two almost

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Speaker 4: That's not the point.

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Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is that since August, there's

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Speaker 5: And there's multiple neighborhoods nearby the kids walk from. So honestly,

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Speaker 5: You know, they do it in downtown, and they do

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Speaker 2: What has the school specifically told you, what do they

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Speaker 5: Like so other than the first couple of emails that

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Speaker 4: I just I'm not out.

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Speaker 4: And honestly, I didn't ask for this fight, and I wasn't.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like I've come three years into it.

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Speaker 5: If I backed down this point, that's like everything I've

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Speaker 4: So why not? Like, I'm not going to stop now,

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Speaker 5: I've already had it out there, so now I'm not

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Speaker 5: But there is other issues you know, that are I

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Speaker 4: Well no I haven't.

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Speaker 5: I mean I have the one email that got sent

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Speaker 1: So you you mentioned this, uh, this other parent, this mom?

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Speaker 5: I had never met her and knew of her. It

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Speaker 1: Well, Michelle, have you all talked? Have you actually talked

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Speaker 5: I had a third lady from the school that I

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Speaker 5: was like, I think you two should come together, with

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Speaker 5: honestly what I ever care about. I don't need the media.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't looking for like a payout. I wasn't I'm

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Speaker 5: definitely not going to try to sue the school and

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Speaker 5: never contact a lawyer. That was never I don't care

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Speaker 5: Would you know, I want my kids to understand that

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Speaker 5: respect how people feel, but I also feel like people saying,

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Speaker 5: I didn't purposely put the logo on to take you

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Speaker 2: Would you consider did you consider at any point saying

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Speaker 5: I mean, when I first had last year put it

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Speaker 5: What's what's going on? You know? And then I probably

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Speaker 5: and to be honest with you, it's really not that

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Speaker 1: Show what does a win look like in this situation?

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be a win, could just

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is a resolution between you and the school,

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Speaker 4: I honestly am okay with the school.

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Speaker 5: You're most likely playing my kids out, and I have

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Speaker 5: considered just, you know, like doing homeschooling and then having

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Speaker 5: You know, Like there's an event that's happening this week

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Speaker 4: Kind of an asshole.

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Speaker 5: So I kind of what I will do is I'll

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Speaker 5: But then it's not showing a link, it's just showing

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're petty. That's my kind of petty I.

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Speaker 5: I was tempted, honestly, to get a T shirt made

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Speaker 4: But it's like, I'm sure I'm already.

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Speaker 5: Gonna get hates from hell, you know, awful looks when

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I don't portray myself as trashy like I wear normal

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Speaker 5: I don't try to like show my body off everywhere

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Speaker 5: Yes it's been advertised to be a big deal, but

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Speaker 4: And then when I'm with my family, I'm not.

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Speaker 5: I'm a mom like And I think that's a misconception,

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Speaker 2: kind of going through it in your head too, what

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Speaker 2: it'll be like now, so, yes, maybe you cover up

440
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Speaker 2: part of what you have to cover up in your

441
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Speaker 2: car to get into the actual school area, but when

442
00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,120
Speaker 2: you're physically there, what are you anticipating, I mean, from

443
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Speaker 2: the other parents.

444
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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be awful.

445
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Speaker 5: I think it's going to be super uncomfortable. I'm not

446
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,000
Speaker 5: one that ever likes conversation. But also, if it comes

447
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,359
Speaker 5: to me, I will handle it if I need to.

448
00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,040
Speaker 5: I'm not scared. If I won't back down, I'll defend myself.

449
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,920
Speaker 5: And I've always told my kids even when you're wrong,

450
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Speaker 5: I'll defend you the best I can, you know, because

451
00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,600
Speaker 5: that's what I'm your mom. So I believe in defending

452
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Speaker 5: our rights and what we feel is right. And I'm

453
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Speaker 5: not saying like go crazy, like hi a lawyer type,

454
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,400
Speaker 5: get my rights, you know whatever. But i just saying

455
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 5: to defend yourself when you need to. I'm sure it's

456
00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,280
Speaker 5: going to be super awkward. I'm sure I want to

457
00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 5: get a lot of looks because people just recognize me

458
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 5: and if they don't have to, even if they don't

459
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Speaker 5: see the car, they still recognize me. And at end

460
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 5: of the day, I'm here for my kids. So I

461
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 5: mean and I was laughing last night. My kids are

462
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Speaker 5: doing like a little dance thing on Guitar Hero or

463
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Speaker 5: whatever it is on the TV, and my parents were

464
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 5: over and we're.

465
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Speaker 4: Watching them and they're playing like life is normal.

466
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Speaker 5: And I just I looked at them and I said

467
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Speaker 5: to my parents, I'm like, it's so funny, because if

468
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,639
Speaker 5: you ask anyone else, my kids are traumatized and just

469
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 5: horrible and just to have this terrible, you know, emotional

470
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,399
Speaker 5: distress right now and that's really not it. Like, look

471
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 5: at these kids, like how happy they are, Like they're fine.

472
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Speaker 5: They don't they don't care about what goes on until

473
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,879
Speaker 5: people give it life and bring it to them and

474
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Speaker 5: talk about it.

475
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Speaker 3: You know.

476
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Speaker 4: It's like and that's what I want. I keep trying

477
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Speaker 4: to say.

478
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Speaker 5: It's like the more it's brought up and made about

479
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Speaker 5: a big deal, the bigger it's going to last, the

480
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 5: longer it's going to continue. And like the fact that

481
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 5: my fifth grader got talked about the next day with

482
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Speaker 5: her friends and my eighth grader didn't, that tells you

483
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 5: right there. That's parents talking like they're making it worse.

484
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Speaker 5: They're saying they don't want me to bring it out

485
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 5: to their kids, But then they talk about it in

486
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 5: front of them and they're they're they're doing.

487
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Speaker 1: It, not me, Michelle, what is I stilled the part

488
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Speaker 1: about it being super awkward at an event for your kids.

489
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: Now again, people around town have known, they they knew

490
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,719
Speaker 1: about your site. But you think now just because the

491
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: news is out there, they've been aware. We all been

492
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 1: to PTA meetings, people buzz, they talk, they gossipy. Everybody's

493
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: known this, So why why would they be giving you

494
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Speaker 1: looks now just because it hit the news.

495
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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

496
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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's well, it's because too the

497
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 5: news is betrayed and people look at it as like

498
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Speaker 5: I'm just, you know, just out to get a buck

499
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Speaker 5: and I'm trying to you know, solicit my kids or

500
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 5: exploit my kids to make a buck. And that was

501
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,200
Speaker 5: over my intention that when they contacted me, I could

502
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 5: have just backed down and said no comment, but I

503
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 5: chose to defend myself because yes, you're right, it has

504
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 5: already been out there.

505
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Speaker 4: It's already been on my car.

506
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Speaker 5: It's not a new thing that I'm just like trying

507
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 5: to see how it goes. Like it's been there, so

508
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 5: I was never out to make a buck off of anything.

509
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Speaker 5: But I just felt like I needed to defend myself.

510
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Speaker 2: Because it is a Christian school. And I'll assume then

511
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Speaker 2: you wanted your children to have Christian values as a

512
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Speaker 2: part of their learning. What do you think the takeaway

513
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Speaker 2: for them is watching all of this happen, and what

514
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: do you want to make sure they know as their mother.

515
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's got to be a tough spot to.

516
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Speaker 5: Be in, absolutely, and to be honest, to give you

517
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Speaker 5: a little bit of backstory, is we actually the church

518
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 5: that's affiliated went to school. We actually attended that church

519
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 5: for a long time where and I honestly grew up

520
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 5: Church of Christ. So I was very My parents are strict.

521
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 5: My parents don't agree with what I'm doing. They don't

522
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Speaker 5: just own me for it, like I said there in

523
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Speaker 5: my house last night. So they definitely, you know, don't

524
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Speaker 5: They don't love it, and they're like, you know, you're

525
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 5: reads bread than this. But they also know that I'm

526
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Speaker 5: an adult and they can't really control that. They just

527
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 5: have to, like you know, just be there for me

528
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Speaker 5: for any issues to school. And I know there's kids

529
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Speaker 5: like I recognize all of that, but in the day,

530
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 5: like like you said, it's just a link. I don't

531
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Speaker 5: have an explicit picture up there, and it's blocked by

532
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 5: a paywall, you know, I mean porn hub.

533
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Speaker 4: It's free access.

534
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 5: Anyone can type it in. Is there at least mine?

535
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 5: You can't see anything. There's not even any dirty wording.

536
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 5: Until you pay, you can't see anything. All it says

537
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 5: is my name in a brief file, which is very

538
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 5: simple and very modest until you pay and use a

539
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 5: credit card and have an ID. So I feel like

540
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Speaker 5: if a kid gains at that point, and that's the

541
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Speaker 5: parent's fault because why are they allowing that to happening.

542
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Speaker 4: You're supposed to be eighteen to access to.

543
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Speaker 1: Stuff, all right, all right, Michelle, this is the point

544
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Speaker 1: where I'll let you speak to to the folks, because

545
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Speaker 1: folks of they are listening to this. There are some

546
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Speaker 1: in the camp saying, lady, come on, just take the

547
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: thing off the bag. It's a school. It's not a

548
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: big deal. Even though it doesn't say anything explicit, it

549
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: is still the advertisement sending people to something that does

550
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: have explicit Come on, lady, just take the thing. Okay,

551
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: talk to those folks for a moment. Whose sake, we

552
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: can sul why is it not okay to just, you know,

553
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: cave and concede that some people don't want to see

554
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: that around the school.

555
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: And I respect that, and that's why I've had no

556
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 5: issue parking off campus. I'm just doing what they ask,

557
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: you know. I realize they don't love it. So that's

558
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 5: why I'm not fighting trying to say I want to

559
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Speaker 5: be on campus.

560
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Speaker 4: I want to do it. I want to do it.

561
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Speaker 4: I'm just respected they've asked. I've never gone back and

562
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Speaker 4: forth I argued with him.

563
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Speaker 5: I just have said okay, And ever since he asked us,

564
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 5: we've been parking, you know, off campus to do so.

565
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 5: And again as a mom and maybe prior to not

566
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 5: being in this and not having the different perspective on

567
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Speaker 5: this that I do now, I can't say that I

568
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Speaker 5: would disagree with these women and the parents that are

569
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 5: feeling this way. I can't say that I wouldn't have

570
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: been the same thing, like really, but I also am

571
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Speaker 5: not the one to run my mouth. I'm really I asked,

572
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Speaker 5: so then of the day I kind of tell like, well,

573
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Speaker 5: that's it's you. You do you, that's your thing. But

574
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Speaker 5: so I don't disagree that they feel a type of

575
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Speaker 5: way I'm not knocking them for having that feeling. I mean,

576
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 5: they're entitled to that, just like I'm entitled to feel

577
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 5: how I want to feel. And again I'm never I

578
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 5: was never there to push it on anybody. It's just

579
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Speaker 5: simply it was on my car because I do drive

580
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 5: her out a lot, and it is good advertising. It

581
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 5: was never meant to affect the school, you know. It

582
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 5: was just done to just benefit my business, you know.

583
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 5: And like I said, this has been on there so long,

584
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 5: and it's like it's just funny to just now come out.

585
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Speaker 4: You to now be a.

586
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: Problem, Michelle, How's business now?

587
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: Really good? Really really good?

588
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 5: And that's what's funny is because one lady made a

589
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 5: comment I wanted the news posted. And honestly, I don't

590
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: really give into those. I just ignore most of it.

591
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 5: Don't don't faint into the comments. And I know people

592
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 5: are gonna hate, and I've prepared for that. I mean,

593
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: it's been pretty brutal about the oh you're such a

594
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: terrible mom, you know, like you're disgusting, and like, okay.

595
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: I'll take it.

596
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: The funniest thing is, I don't know if I can

597
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 5: say this in your podcast, they'll say, like you're a

598
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 5: whore mich. Well, technically that means if I see by

599
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 5: multiple people and I'm not I'm only doing it with

600
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 5: my husband who I'm married to, So technically that's not

601
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 5: the proper term.

602
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: But if you want to say trashy, say trashy, but

603
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 4: you can't really call me that because I'm technically not

604
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 4: that your.

605
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: Insults correct, Yeah, exactly, Like if you're going to call

606
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 5: me something, get it right. But my thing is like

607
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 5: they keep giving it life and it just keeps going,

608
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 5: and it's like, I obviously didn't expect that plan on that.

609
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 5: I simply was just coming to defense to my own self.

610
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 5: I had no idea like what it was going to become.

611
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 5: I mean I had an idea I would obviously get

612
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 5: an increased, but never what it is.

613
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Speaker 4: I didn't expect it.

614
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Speaker 1: How big of like that?

615
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Speaker 4: We want to?

616
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Speaker 2: Can we ask how big of an increase?

617
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Speaker 4: I can say as far as.

618
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Speaker 5: I would say, well, as far as money, it's several thousands,

619
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Speaker 5: several thousands, like more than quadurable.

620
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Speaker 1: But you can tell how many new subscribers are new

621
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Speaker 1: views to your page. I'm not sure. Listen to me,

622
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Speaker 1: I have no idea how this works. But I actually

623
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: don't drivers.

624
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: I went from a few hundred to like several thousand.

625
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's a big deal.

626
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then yeah, it's crazy I had. I had

627
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: no idea that it was going to be like that.

628
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 5: And I mean again, I wasn't out looking for a book.

629
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Speaker 5: I mean, I know people say like, oh, this is

630
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 5: a plublicity sun she planned list, but I really didn't.

631
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 5: I just like it came at me about needing something,

632
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: and I went back and defended it, and it was like, oh,

633
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 5: I'm defending myself, and then before I know it, it was

634
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Speaker 5: this huge news story.

635
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Speaker 4: Like I didn't really realize it was going to take

636
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 4: such life.

637
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: Its a long game.

638
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm curious, is this your only source of income? Explain,

639
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: explain to us how much you count on this page

640
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: to pay your bills.

641
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 5: So it's always been like an extra. It's always basically

642
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 5: always had my studio bills. It always will cover my

643
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: studio rent, my utilities there, anything I need, theirs for

644
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 5: his furniture, lighting upgrades, everything there, and then it's always

645
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 5: been extra. So technically I would always pay that in

646
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: my house mortgage as well, so basically just kind of

647
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 5: covers all my big bills.

648
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: So anything extra that I make as far as because

649
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: as I do cut hair as well.

650
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 5: I've been cutting hair since I was sixteen, so I

651
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 5: do that as well. I incorporate some topless haircuts, so

652
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 5: that kind of took a life of its own and

653
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 5: made some money. I did a few events actually with

654
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: like Trucks Gone Wilds you know, sponsored me, and I

655
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: did some events with them, and did you know, something

656
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 5: like a tent outside I had to have covered up,

657
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 5: you know whatever. But yeah, I've done things like that,

658
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 5: and so that's definitely helped too. So it's not my

659
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 5: main source that I rely on. I mean, now I

660
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 5: could definitely just rely on it, but I haven't ever.

661
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 5: I've always had I like to have not have my

662
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 5: eggs in my basket. I like to always be hustling

663
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 5: and kind of doing multiple things and always just be

664
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 5: on my toes.

665
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 4: My husband does ecy.

666
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 5: Work for a living as well, so he has his

667
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 5: own business doing that, so we kind of just dabbling whatever.

668
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: We don't.

669
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 5: I don't ever want to count on one thing and

670
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: just expect that other people desires or I was going

671
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: to basically pay my bills, you know, because I know

672
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 5: any day that could be over and it's tomorrow that

673
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: could be done. So I don't try to depend on

674
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: and expect that it's going to be there forever.

675
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Joe, you said something earlier when referencing your parents who

676
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: were at your house. So you you say, of course

677
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: they love you, love the kids, love the fans, all this,

678
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: and even though they might not agree with what you're doing.

679
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: But you use the phrase raised better than this you

680
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: were selling. You said you had a strict upbringing and

681
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: going to the kids, going to your kids. Now you

682
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: chose to have them at a private Christian school. So

683
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: how do you and how does anyone reconcile?

684
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: Right?

685
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: The family members or even maybe somewhere in your own

686
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: mind at some point in recent years would have looked

687
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: at someone doing what you're doing and said that's not

688
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: for me, because I was raised better than this. Right,

689
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: people who look at you and say that's not what

690
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: you should be doing, even having kids in the house,

691
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: how do you and help me there? I was raised

692
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: in the church as well, But how do you kind

693
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: of reconcile those two worlds of yours that are kind

694
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: of certainly colliding.

695
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: So growing up I was raised for to Christ.

696
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: I was in church, three times a week, Sunday morning,

697
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 5: Sunday night, Wednesday night, and there is no missing it.

698
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 4: And if we were out.

699
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 5: Of town on Sunday, but we had our own little

700
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 5: church service in a hotel room, like, we didn't miss

701
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: it for the world.

702
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: So, if anything, when I.

703
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 5: Turned around, you know, nineteen twenty and I kind of

704
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 5: moved out of my parents' house, I did get out

705
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 5: of the church a little bit because I felt a

706
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 5: little like so pressured for my whole life of always

707
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 5: being in it. So then I was obviously as I

708
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: had kids, and I wanted them to be part of

709
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 5: it because that was my childhood growing up and it

710
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: was important to me.

711
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 4: So when we started hitting.

712
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 5: This church probably six years ago, we weren't doing this.

713
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 5: We were just fully into church and we were just

714
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: both working normal jobs. So I was in a barbershop

715
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: cutting hair. He was working for an easy company. He

716
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 5: actually took care of the air conditioning for the entire

717
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: school and the church, my husband did at one point,

718
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: and that the game an issue. Yeah, obviously didn't last

719
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: when the well, once that kind of went away, that's

720
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: when I kind of had a little bit of an

721
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 5: f you attitude and like Okay, I'm putting a detail

722
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 5: in my car like that's kind of how it started,

723
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 5: because I felt like he got a little pushed out.

724
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: I didn't like the way it was handled.

725
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: So if you wanted the true backstory, that's kind of

726
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 5: how it starts, then we still.

727
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Wait, Michelle, that was a very important detail.

728
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: Just you guys got the first two on that.

729
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: You're telling me this whole thing started as kind of

730
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: a beef, if you will, between you and the church,

731
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: and you just kind of did it as a as

732
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: an f you to the to the church.

733
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 4: I mean went to the church.

734
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: That sounds sad, I don't like to say that, but

735
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: too definitely to the school because ultimately what happened, I'm

736
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 5: getting super long winded about it. Basically, the headmaster didn't

737
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 5: have much of a backbone, so when he was told

738
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 5: to basical kind of pushed my husband out, so to speak. Again,

739
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 5: pre only fans, pre decals, pre all that stuff. We

740
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 5: were fully going, dedicated to the church in every event

741
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 5: they had. We were doing everything they could, just super involved,

742
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 5: going to little life groups, the preachers how you know,

743
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 5: just very very much included. And I mean even when

744
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 5: I had my boob job, a couple of years ago,

745
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: and the preacher's wife brought me food to our house

746
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: for dinner.

747
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: It's like, we're very close.

748
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you had great stories.

749
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: You guys are hearing all over there, so yeah, I

750
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: mean that's kind of how it was. Like we were

751
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: very close with everyone in the church, and we like

752
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: we che didn't like family, and to be honest, even

753
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: more backstory, after before all this even started, probably about

754
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 5: three months ago, my husband and I just reached out

755
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 5: to the preacher even though we weren't going there anymore.

756
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: I just couldn't ask for some like just couples counseling,

757
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 5: just because it's healthy and good, and we figured, why

758
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 5: not just stronger, make our marriage stronger.

759
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

760
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 5: He ignored the call text wait like three or four days,

761
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: and then passed them on to someone else. Here, here's

762
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: a number of someone else you can call. So again

763
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 5: I felt very like, okay, like a few again, you know,

764
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 5: I felt a little bit like shit, like sorry friendly,

765
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can say that, but.

766
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 4: I just didn't like the way I was felt I

767
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: was treated.

768
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 5: And again, you know, I know everyone has a type

769
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: of feeling of about this, So yeah, I guess that's

770
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 5: where it kind of started. They pushed them out of

771
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 5: the ac work and so I was like, Okay, Decay's

772
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 5: in the car. But then still nothing was ever said.

773
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 5: They let it go for two years and then finally

774
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: it takes a mom to say something.

775
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: Michelle.

776
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 2: Michel, let me ask you this, do you consider yourself

777
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: a Christian?

778
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: I do?

779
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 5: I mean, because here's the way I look at it

780
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 5: and God's eyes. The way I was always taught and

781
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 5: the way you know I always grew up was that

782
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: a sinning is a sin is the same you know,

783
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: we as obviously as humans and in real life we

784
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 5: have different levels of you know, what's bad, and some

785
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: have consequences in the law, and you break the law,

786
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: you kill someone, and you go to jail. But I

787
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 5: also feel like I've learned in God's eyes that a

788
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: sin is a sin. Whether you lie or whether you

789
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: shoot someone, You're still in God's eye is an equal sin.

790
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 5: So like I realized what I'm doing is sinning in

791
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: God's eyes, and according to the Church and Christian beliefs,

792
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: I recognize that.

793
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: But I also at the.

794
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: End of the day, well, when you get on you know,

795
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 5: online and maybe talk ugly to someone. I judge someone

796
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: online because of what they've done, well, that's sinning. Well

797
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: you lie to someone with that's sinning. Like we can

798
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 5: see and go all day long about what you've done

799
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 5: wrong or whatever, and in God's eyes, what's bad. But

800
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: that's what the problem is is us, as normal humans,

801
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 5: we judge each other. We definitely you know, oh, you're

802
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 5: doing it worse because that's worse than what I'm doing,

803
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 5: and things like that.

804
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Michelle, I was going to ask you

805
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: how you for other fellow Christians who don't think you

806
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: could be a Christian and at the same time do

807
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: what you do for a living teach. You and I

808
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: just looked at each other when you said, I know

809
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm sinning. What is the actual sin that you're committing?

810
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 5: I think, biblically speaking, I think pornography in itself would

811
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: probably be wrong if you're looking at from the Christian aspect.

812
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 4: The way people are looking at it is like, well, it's.

813
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: The privacy of your own home. You should keep your

814
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 5: sex life with your husband private. You shouldn't share it,

815
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: you know. So I guess that would be where they

816
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 5: would come from the Christian aspect of what's sinny. I

817
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: would think they would say that, well, you're selling pornography,

818
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 5: so that's not okay.

819
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 4: But that's my thing.

820
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 5: I could see the being this upset if I was

821
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 5: like had to slew of guys on there or something,

822
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 5: but that is It may sound stupid or hypocritical to say,

823
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 5: but my husband I both agree we got into this

824
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 5: that we are going to keep our morals. You know,

825
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 5: we weren't going to be crazy, and like, sure, there's

826
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 5: been tons of offers to make money and do other

827
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: things and get thousands of dollars doing other things that

828
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: we've always said we're not doing that. I'm not going

829
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 5: to stoop down to anything just for money. And that's

830
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 5: why it's so laughable that this whole thing has been

831
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 5: made to look like I was doing it for publicity's time.

832
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: It's like it really wasn't because I've had multiple ways

833
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: to make lots of money and doing this, and I've

834
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 5: always turned it down because I always wanted to keep

835
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 5: my morals intact, and we've always agreed that it's a

836
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: him and I thing, and that's it.

837
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: Has there been anyone from the church or from the

838
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: school that actually embraces you who even if they you

839
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: can love the sin but not you can love the

840
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: sinner but not the sin. I guess, But is it

841
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: You're not getting any support from really?

842
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: Are one single person has reached out. I'm not even

843
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 4: my sister.

844
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 5: My sister's heavily into the church and her and I

845
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 5: don't really speak, but she hasn't even reached out to me.

846
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 5: And I just laugh because I'm like, she claims to

847
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: be such a better person than me, as all these

848
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: other people. But I'm like, but if you got yourself

849
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 5: a Christian, wouldn't that be your Christian duty, you know,

850
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 5: to kind of reach out and say, hey, you know,

851
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 5: I love you. I don't agree with doing but I

852
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 5: wish you would do better and I'm thinking of you

853
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: are and praying for you or but no.

854
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: Nothing, well, Michelle, you all are? You all are still

855
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: in church regularly, you and your.

856
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: Family, So we're not going there. No, not enough that

857
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: we definitely cut that back.

858
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I guess that's the point. What do you

859
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: do there too? I'm surprised to hear that, to be

860
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: honest with you, and I think a lot of other

861
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: people might not be surprised to think that. Folks who

862
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: are doing good work, or who shouted from the mountaintops

863
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: how good they are and how great a Christian they

864
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: are are sometimes the first to reject you.

865
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: Right, Jesus, if we want to go back to Christianity,

866
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: Jesus was hanging out with the tech collectors and the

867
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: people who people considered unseemly, the prostitutes, the sinners. So

868
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: you know that that is the cornerstone of Christianity is

869
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: to not judge and to love everyone. And you can disagree,

870
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: you don't have to accept, but you do love and

871
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: you do welcome people. So I we hear you, We

872
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: hear you. We were both raised in faith.

873
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very just so surprised to hear that.

874
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: I saw your face immediately when I was asking the

875
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: question that as soon as it started coming out of

876
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: my mouth asking that, but you were shaking your head

877
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: like that was like, it's definitively nobody.

878
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 4: Well, and that is surprising, because I'll be honest with you.

879
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 5: I mean how I was raised and if I was

880
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 5: actively in the churchren now and I heard this, and

881
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: I probably would reach out to someone and I would

882
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 5: just say, you know, if I was more heavily into church,

883
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 5: and I would probably reach on and just be like,

884
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm saying a prayer for you, or

885
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of you, you know, And that's that's kind

886
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 5: of like all And that's kind of how my mom

887
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 5: and dad have been. You know, we don't love what

888
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 5: you're doing, but we love you, and we love your kids,

889
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: and we love your family, and we're going to be

890
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 5: here for you no matter what. And you know, we're

891
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 5: here for you as long as the kids are in

892
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: harm's way the moment they are, you know, we will

893
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: step in. And that's kind of where it's at. And

894
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 5: that's all I need.

895
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: Like I'm not asking for everyone to agree with me.

896
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 5: You don't have to love what I do, don't We

897
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 5: always always something about someone else that we don't like

898
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 5: what they do or whatever, But that doesn't mean we

899
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 5: have to hate them.

900
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned your sister as well. You all

901
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: haven't really been speaking before this or since you started

902
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: with only fans, So it was really funny.

903
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: In the situation with her, probably two years ago give

904
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: her take, probably before the decal, possibly she had asked

905
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 5: me to go to dinner one night and I said, okay,

906
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: well I knew what it was about.

907
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 4: Because her and I just don't really have days the

908
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: two of us.

909
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 5: I mean, we definitely spend time together as families and

910
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 5: events and get togethers in whatever holidays, but we really

911
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 5: don't have one on one.

912
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: So I knew and she asked me had a good

913
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: feeling it was about.

914
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 5: This, and it was at that time there was I

915
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: had a snapchat, which I don't have any longer, but

916
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 5: I had then in the local the local fire to

917
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: fire when I guess had found out about it, and

918
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 5: they were talking about it. Well, her husband worked for

919
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 5: the city of Tavari's, Well it got back to him

920
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 5: pretty quick, and then she's like, it's embarrassing that he's

921
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 5: going to the fire departments to just talk to people

922
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 5: and they're saying.

923
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: Hey, check out this girl. And he's like, well, that's

924
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 4: my sister, you know, like my sister in law.

925
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: So that was.

926
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 5: Obviously an awkward situation. But when she told me, I

927
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 5: laughed because I was like, okay, And I think she

928
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 5: thought like if I knew that she knew that, I

929
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: was going, oh my gosh, I'm gonna stop, you know, like,

930
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 5: and I had to accept it a long time ago

931
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 5: that when I started doing this, it was going to

932
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: be out there.

933
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: I had to just be okay with that. I had

934
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 4: to just accept, you know, it is what it is.

935
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 5: And uh but yeah, so that was the first time

936
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 5: we had an issue and then we kind of I

937
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 5: just basically where I left.

938
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: It was like, well, I'm not going to stop. I'm

939
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 4: going to do this.

940
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 5: And then her thing to me then was like, well,

941
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 5: what if you get someone's angry wife coming after you

942
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: or I'm like, that is always a possibility, all right,

943
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: and this is risk. You know, it's definitely risk I

944
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 5: considered when I got into this. But she we really

945
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 5: don't speak since then. We've never been super super close, but.

946
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 4: We've always gotten along.

947
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: We've always communicated, but I haven't heard from her in

948
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 5: months and really since then, it's kind of when we

949
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 5: really did take a turn, and I really haven't talked

950
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 5: to her at all during this whole thing.

951
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, you learn a lot about yourself but also where

952
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 2: you stand with other people when you go through something

953
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: like this, and it has it has it been worth it?

954
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like, now that you have experienced this

955
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 2: in such a large way, what what are your thoughts

956
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: on your decisions?

957
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 5: Honestly, like I always I always felt like these parents

958
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 5: felt this way about me, you know, I always felt

959
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 5: like they were kind of like pissy and it's like

960
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 5: I only like her and Judge And I've never been

961
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: on like the PTA home to go sit in a

962
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: meeting anyway, That's never me. I will always go to

963
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 5: navaan I guess have a field day or a travel

964
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: service or an award, like I'm going to be there

965
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 5: less they forced me out, you know, no matter what,

966
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: I'm going to be there. But I don't go, you know,

967
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 5: prance and around to get atention. I definitely don't really

968
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: volunteer anymore. I just kind of avoid all of that stuff,

969
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 5: you know, because I'm not trying to cause issues and

970
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 5: as they would say, disharmony in the school.

971
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: But I mean, yeah, I kind of already expected they

972
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: would do that.

973
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 5: But I mean it's monetarily speaking, Yeah, it was one

974
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 5: thousand percent more that I would do it again. And

975
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: so far my kids have not been affected anyway. They

976
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 5: don't come to me and act like they hate it,

977
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: they're miserable, like they haven't really they'll come home then

978
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: maybe tell me a little bit of things. Like my

979
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 5: my fifth grader, she was like, you know, oh, some

980
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 5: time I was talking about today and I was like,

981
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 5: what did you say. She's like, I just don't to

982
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: stop talking about They were just mad because they're afraid

983
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 5: their mom will let me hang out with them because

984
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: they know what you do.

985
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: And I was like, well that's a risk.

986
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 5: But they didn't really. She didn't really spend long talking

987
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 5: about it. She quickly moved on, And they have not

988
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 5: really voiced it to me at all, like that it's

989
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 5: a problem to them. So I would say, so far,

990
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 5: I'm fine with it now. I definitely think if if

991
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 5: he had, you know, if they had any issues, or

992
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 5: if they were really like struggling, then I definitely have

993
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 5: a different opinion about that. But so far I can say, yeah,

994
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 5: I mean, it's been worth it.

995
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: If the adults in this situation could come together and

996
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lesson for not just your kids,

997
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: but all the kids at the school to come out

998
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: of this. What lesson do you see that kids, all

999
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: of them at that school could learn from what the

1000
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: adults are.

1001
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 5: The problem is with the mom who has got upset. Honestly,

1002
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 5: the issues go way deeper. And that's why I was

1003
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 5: saying that the third mom. Then it kind of sepped

1004
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: in a kind of voice to me, and she was like,

1005
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 5: you guys should go together and really team up on

1006
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: this issue. Because what stimmed from was she was complaining

1007
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 5: about this issue for a while and apparently nothing was

1008
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 5: done about it. I don't know how long. I just

1009
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 5: know three weeks ago is the first time I got

1010
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 5: brought to me. But she has been complaining for months

1011
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 5: well then, and then she felt like nothing was done.

1012
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 5: She felt like administration was really neglecting her kids and

1013
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 5: just not really being there and doing it their part.

1014
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 5: And so in that I can relate to her mom

1015
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 5: to mom, I can understand where she's coming from. You know,

1016
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 5: when you're voicing a problem problem, so when you're paying

1017
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 5: for a private school tuition, they should handle your issues

1018
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 5: and they should definitely address them. And they never once

1019
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 5: came to me and said anything to me about it. And

1020
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 5: they told her that they did, because she said to

1021
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 5: me that I know you've been told about this before,

1022
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 5: but I definitely had not. And obviously if I had

1023
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 5: been already to ask, I would already a stop this.

1024
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 5: So this is the first it had been brought to me.

1025
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: So in a way, I feel for her because I

1026
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: understand where she's coming from.

1027
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: No lesson for the kids, Michelle, Is there no lessons

1028
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: for the kids here?

1029
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: Not really?

1030
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I'm sorry a little off fit by Honestly,

1031
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: I don't really know what the lesson be with the

1032
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 5: kids here. I mean, I feel like the kids are

1033
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 5: not really the ones complaining. It's parents, you know. I

1034
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: feel like the parents are what's making it a deal.

1035
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 5: They're making it a problem, you know, they're making it

1036
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 5: an issue because it never had been a big issue

1037
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: until now, until this one mom with a TikTok and

1038
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 5: a big mouths use my language, but I just I

1039
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 5: feel like that's how it started. So for a lesson

1040
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 5: to kids, I really don't know. My lesson for my kids,

1041
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 5: but I'm trying to say is that when you know

1042
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 5: you're not breaking the law, you're not doing anything to

1043
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 5: harm someone else, and you're sure of that and we

1044
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 5: know that, then defend yourself, stand up for what you

1045
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: feel is right. If you think what you're doing is right,

1046
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 5: and okay, no matter what it may be, you know,

1047
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 5: just because people don't like something doesn't make it wrong.

1048
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 5: And let's be honest, I mean, without sounding too cliche,

1049
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 5: you're cheesy, but typically when you're when you're like making

1050
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 5: a big deal about something or you're out there, people

1051
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 5: are going to hate on you because they just are

1052
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: mad because they're not able to get out.

1053
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: There or do what you're doing or whatever it is.

1054
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 5: So I feel like if you're being hated us because

1055
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: you're doing something right, you know everyone's gonna If you're

1056
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: not making the scene or not doing anything exciting, then

1057
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 5: people aren't gonna talk about you. And not that I'm

1058
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 5: wanting that, I don't mean to sound like that, but

1059
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: I just I feel like, I don't know, I feel

1060
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 5: like there's so many people that get offended so easy

1061
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 5: these days, and I feel like if we just back

1062
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 5: down to everything everyone says, then like what kind of

1063
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 5: person are we making ourselves? And I just I want

1064
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: my kids to stand up for what they feel it's

1065
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 5: right and as song as like I said, long as

1066
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 5: it's not illegal and you're not breaking you're not burning

1067
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 5: the law, you're not hurting someone, you know, then do

1068
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 5: what you feel is right, Like back up yourself. Don't

1069
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 5: let someone talk you down and push you away or

1070
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 5: push you down because they don't like what you're doing.

1071
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: Well, Michelle Klein. We really appreciate your time. It was

1072
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: it was fascinating talking with you and hearing how you

1073
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: got to where you are and what your life is

1074
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: like now. So thank you so much for coming on

1075
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: the podcast. It's Michelle, but also Piper font right. Want

1076
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 2: to make sure everyone knows you're you're And by the way, I.

1077
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 5: Just want to say I have fifty one Holy cow.

1078
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 5: I hope that I have genes that are half as

1079
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: good as you are.

1080
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: My word, thank you very much.

1081
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1082
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: I was hearing that.

1083
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, no way, thank you, thank you so much.

1084
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: Husband speaking and trying to like peek around the camera.

1085
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: See what I'm like, Oh, I'm here, I'm here. You

1086
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: know he was there. Oh my god, it this because

1087
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: looking woman. He's been sitting there quietly this whole time. Michelle,

1088
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: you should have let us know.

1089
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, well, really God, And I hope I

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Speaker 1: guess everything. Your husband's there now and we can hear

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Speaker 1: his voice, but I assume a man. Everything she said

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Speaker 1: you pretty much agree with. But you know, what, how

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Speaker 1: has it been for you? Knowing a lot of the

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Speaker 1: the negative attention has come the direction of the woman

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Speaker 1: you love.

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Speaker 3: The attention is it's it's hard to wrap your head around.

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Speaker 6: In the beginning, we've been doing this for like three

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Speaker 6: years now, so the attention's always been there, but now

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Speaker 6: since the media has got ahold of it, it's nerve

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Speaker 6: wracking but also exciting.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I guess you could say we got our

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Speaker 6: fifteen seconds of fame, but you know, it wasn't at

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Speaker 6: the children's expense. That's the biggest thing. There was an

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Speaker 6: issue at the school. We tried to bring into it,

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Speaker 6: the attention. We never had a resolution, and then finally

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Speaker 6: it just took one angry parent to just like not

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Speaker 6: want it to see the stickers anymore.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure she's already said it.

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Speaker 6: The stickers have been on both cars well over two years,

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Speaker 6: and we've been in that parking lot two or three

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Speaker 6: times a day.

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Speaker 3: You know, as long as skill is going on and

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Speaker 3: no issues. But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: But as far as the attention, it's I don't know.

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Speaker 6: It's good and bad at the same time. With all

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Speaker 6: this coverage. Right now, she's on her phone twenty four

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Speaker 6: to seven, so I guess that's the downfall.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't get.

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Speaker 6: The one on one that I want at late at

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Speaker 6: night because she's so busy all over this phone.

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Speaker 3: You know, don't get a phone out of your hand.

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Speaker 3: Let's go make a video or something.

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Speaker 1: Come on, get Oh yeah, sexy time. We heard all

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Speaker 1: about sexy time. I think is once you got you

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Speaker 1: all are smiling and have I know it's a lot

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Speaker 1: and people have their opinions, but you all seem to

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Speaker 1: have each other and have it together and know what

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Speaker 1: you want to do, and so you all keep doing

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Speaker 1: your thing. But thank you for taking some time with us.

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Speaker 3: All right, absolutely, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, I appreciate it. It's nice to meet you.

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Speaker 1: Good to meet you. And well, you know, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the show here we often give our own

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