WEBVTT - Maybelle Blair

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<v Speaker 1>Our guest in this episode is the women's professional baseball

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<v Speaker 1>player who inspired the classic movie and now TV show

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<v Speaker 1>A League of their Own, Mabel Blair. What is your

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<v Speaker 1>chick for keeping in such great shape? Oh? My god?

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<v Speaker 1>Just having fun every day of your life. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't have fun, you might as well laid

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<v Speaker 1>out and die. As far as I can serve, wife,

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<v Speaker 1>I hang around. Why do you do for fun? Every day?

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<v Speaker 1>When you wake up? What are you looking forward to?

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<v Speaker 1>Looking forward to? Is watching a base small game or

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<v Speaker 1>an athletic game, things like that, because that's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very interested in all sports. So, going back to the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of things, When you were a little girl,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you want to be when you grew up?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I never even thought it because I

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<v Speaker 1>was too busy playing baseball with my family, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>all we had to do in our day. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have TikTok and rethe this or Yahoo or what all.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we did have all that stuff. So we

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<v Speaker 1>were very poor. But we had a baseball and we

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<v Speaker 1>had a bat. At our baseball had to have a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of tape on it because we couldn't afford another tape.

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<v Speaker 1>And our bat was broken a lot, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>hammer in another tack or two. You know, I keep

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<v Speaker 1>playing baseball, and that's what I did. You started your

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<v Speaker 1>own team in fourth or fifth grade? Oh yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>did your parents think of that? Well, they didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>think anything about it. They just took that for natural,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because it was at our family. But boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I had all those teachers and even the principal. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's all back at me because I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they thought. I don't know what they were thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I had my own team, and uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>was so thrilled because one of the teachers had a

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<v Speaker 1>friend that I was right down the street or about

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<v Speaker 1>two or three miles away from where I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to school, and so she talked her into putting a

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<v Speaker 1>team together. So we so I had somebody to play against.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a couple of games or four five,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was so much fun, and my team one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, of course, otherwise I went kicked him in

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<v Speaker 1>the rear. Ind So what was next for you after

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<v Speaker 1>your your baseball career was done? After my baseball career,

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<v Speaker 1>I went to work for Northern Aircraft and very fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>I became the third woman manager of northn p Aircraft.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing. I was very very fortunate. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in there, I wanted to learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>operate all the equipment because he told me, says, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>how you have skills to be a manager? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're out of your cotton pick and mind you know,

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<v Speaker 1>no no way. He says, well, i'd going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to train you to be a badge. I says, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so, and he says, yes, I'm going to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I says, well, I won't even consider it unless I

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<v Speaker 1>can learn every piece of equipment that's in this organization.

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<v Speaker 1>So I learned to drive craives, semi trucks, trucks, bandies, forklifts.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned every piece of transportation that was in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I said, I was reading. I became a dispatcher.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to learn that too, and then from that

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<v Speaker 1>that he may be manager. What was your management style?

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<v Speaker 1>How did you lead? How did I leave with fairness?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to production out of my people. And people said, well, Babel,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you hire? Are six good truck drivers and

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<v Speaker 1>this and that? I said, well, number one, especially in transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted somebody that had coordination. So where do you

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<v Speaker 1>get it? Into sports world baseball? You've got eyes, you've

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<v Speaker 1>got coordination, you've got quickness. So this is what I

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<v Speaker 1>really went after with athletes crew. So what would you

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<v Speaker 1>say has made it so that you've been successful in

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<v Speaker 1>multiple fields that a lot of people have frankly failed

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<v Speaker 1>in is you've got to be motivated and if you

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<v Speaker 1>do it or something, give it a hundred ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing even about Major League Baseball players today,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't give it there all until it's contract tiber,

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<v Speaker 1>it's getting close to it. Then man, do we go

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<v Speaker 1>out and play it. Our averages start glade up, and

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<v Speaker 1>our field leads better, we make better, spectacular plays. It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are the things that you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>buy you just gotta give it. Do you counsel baseball players?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you talk to major league players? Oh? I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to major league ball players. Yes, I don't manage them

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. No, I could talk. I talked to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But my goal is to have a league of our

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<v Speaker 1>own again for the girls. And I go to Baseball

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<v Speaker 1>for All with Justine Siegel. I've been with her ever

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<v Speaker 1>since she started Baseball for All and all these little

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<v Speaker 1>girls all they want to do is be able to

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<v Speaker 1>play baseball, not softball. So we're trying to give them

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<v Speaker 1>a chance in life to have this. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>what the International with as Baseball Center for Women in Rockford, Illinois,

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<v Speaker 1>where we could have a home of our over we

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<v Speaker 1>can develop our old umpires at all of this because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I said, girls have eyes. We could

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<v Speaker 1>be umpires. We don't have to go compete with them

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<v Speaker 1>in as far speed and strength of that, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being a major league baseball player, but we can't stand

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<v Speaker 1>behind that plate and see if it's over the plate

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<v Speaker 1>or not. We got those eyes and we know the

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<v Speaker 1>rule book back and forwards. So what's the problem. Why

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<v Speaker 1>can't we They have it in football and basketball and

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<v Speaker 1>They're much harder to referee and ump player than baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say. I have four little girls who

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<v Speaker 1>are eight, six, five, and three. I got how wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>and three of them are playing softball regular already asked

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<v Speaker 1>me why do girls play softball and boys play baseball? Oh? Really,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting it already. Well, is because Jolie, the good

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<v Speaker 1>old boys have pushed them into softball on account of scholarships.

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<v Speaker 1>And believe me, I understand that thoroughly. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could have the parents get a scholarship, saves

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars for your family and yourselves. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping it will change where it will be a baseball

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<v Speaker 1>for women. But after they get out playing uh softball,

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<v Speaker 1>they could play baseball because I played professional softball also,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people don't know that, but I

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<v Speaker 1>play both. And the girls that played the professional baseball

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<v Speaker 1>in the league of their own all Americas. We went

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<v Speaker 1>from league to league, you know, back and forth. It

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<v Speaker 1>could happen. And these are the doors that we want

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<v Speaker 1>to open up for girls in baseball. Well, it does

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<v Speaker 1>start early. My daughter is a varsity softball player in

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<v Speaker 1>high school. But I will say that it frustrates her

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<v Speaker 1>so much how much attention and sort of money is

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<v Speaker 1>put into the baseball program versus the softball program. For you,

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<v Speaker 1>having seen so much in all of your ninety five years,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you say is sort of the biggest excitement

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<v Speaker 1>and disappointment that you see today in terms of gender equality.

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<v Speaker 1>It's getting closer. Our problem is, uh, if you're a

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<v Speaker 1>paid customer, you want to see the best. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is one of our problems now until the

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<v Speaker 1>girls get better in their sport. The basketball and the

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<v Speaker 1>soccer are coming along great right now as far as

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<v Speaker 1>a fan participation, and if we keep up the good quality.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to have the quality for somebody to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and see it. You're not going to go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and see a girl miss a ball that should

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<v Speaker 1>have caught right in her hand, or you know, miss

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<v Speaker 1>a basket nineteen times and the scores four to six

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the game. You want like they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing today. Well, it's growing and it's will grow as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we keep up the good uh quality of

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<v Speaker 1>our ability. And this is why I like to see

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<v Speaker 1>the league of their own or a new league start

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<v Speaker 1>for women's baseball. You've got to have the quality before

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<v Speaker 1>people will pay. And I don't blame them. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go see it either, even as you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it makes sense if you think about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>women and soccer. Women like the women's soccer teams in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States are just remarkable. They're getting much better.

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<v Speaker 1>But when they were compleating about the salary, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>could understand the owners. They gotta make money. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>pay you a hundred thousand dollars and you a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. And the guys that are the guy's got

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<v Speaker 1>twice attendance that you're getting. How can I pay you

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand? Right, these are the reasons because we

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<v Speaker 1>got to have the quality, and they're getting it now,

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<v Speaker 1>and you notice the attendance will start even going higher.

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<v Speaker 1>They're starting in right now, going great for the women's

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<v Speaker 1>soccer and I love it and basketball and basketball, and

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<v Speaker 1>just like the w n b A and the NBA,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to realize, our greatest women basketball player right

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<v Speaker 1>today is either Sue or of Candas Parker. And they

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't sit out amids mab a bitch because they're not

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<v Speaker 1>strong and physical enough not that they're the greatest in

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<v Speaker 1>their ability, Yes they are. But the women and fans

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<v Speaker 1>now are going to go see these girls play because

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<v Speaker 1>they are so good and when they go to that basket,

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<v Speaker 1>when they shoot it, they're going to get it in.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, when you've got Shack O'Neil under there

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<v Speaker 1>and Canadas Parker, you know who's going to win the battle. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>There's just no doubt. This is why we got to

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<v Speaker 1>have the good product out there and we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a quick break. Now, your personal life recently

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<v Speaker 1>came into a lot of sort of a spotlight and

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<v Speaker 1>you came out as gay. What kind of bravery did

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<v Speaker 1>that take and what made you decide to do that? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it took a lot of bravery. It took ninety five

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<v Speaker 1>years to come out because I've been gay all my

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<v Speaker 1>life and it was my whole life. I could have

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<v Speaker 1>ruined it very early in life because nobody understood how

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<v Speaker 1>es gay people are. It's not that we choose our sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>It's there like they say, well, it's because I've been

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around with Da Da Da. Well that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>You could hang out with me for years and you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't change your mind, right, right, Well, it's the same

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<v Speaker 1>way you're not going to change anybody's sexuality. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of gay friends that have raised

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<v Speaker 1>daughters and sons and they're not gay. You know, by God,

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<v Speaker 1>what else is more closer than mother mother or two

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<v Speaker 1>mothers or two fathers right, or single gay girl or

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<v Speaker 1>a single gay guy. And I have known so many

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Girls or boys are just perfectly normal because

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<v Speaker 1>that's your sexuality. You can't help it. So what made

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<v Speaker 1>you come out now? Because at I said to myself

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<v Speaker 1>that if I could help one individual, I would be

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<v Speaker 1>thrilled to death. If I could just do it and

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<v Speaker 1>let people know at my age now that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>bad to be gay, that people now are understanding and

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand what's going on, And if I could

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<v Speaker 1>keep open that door a little bit more where more

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<v Speaker 1>people get the idea, it would be worth coming out

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<v Speaker 1>at And if I could save one little boy or

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<v Speaker 1>one little girl, all the misery that I went through

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<v Speaker 1>trying to hide it by going out with men that

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go out with, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>just miserable, but I had to put on a good act,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did. And now I'm out and I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>happy about it. How has your life changed since you

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<v Speaker 1>shared your story publicly, Well, it's been only about six months.

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<v Speaker 1>My family has accepted me. So many people now have

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<v Speaker 1>accepted me, and I am so thrilled about it that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to hide and I can be myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what it's all about, be yourself, if you

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<v Speaker 1>can be yourself and live your life, because life is

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<v Speaker 1>very short, as I finding out, and and I got

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<v Speaker 1>just take in there, and uh, I got trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get that door open and get a league of their own,

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<v Speaker 1>for our women to be able to have a league

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<v Speaker 1>of their own in a home of their own in baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I get under the grass and sit on this

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<v Speaker 1>side of it, you've been fighting a very long for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>What keeps you going? The determination I'm determined to help

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<v Speaker 1>if I can at all, until I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>it all by all until I on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the dirt. Let's put it that way. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>morning routine? Oh, I get up and God, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>shut up my cap because she's always hungry. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the first thing I do is I have to feed her. God,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a Oh, she's wonderful, but starts sweetest scan I've

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<v Speaker 1>ever hit my life. Excuse me, I get up and

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<v Speaker 1>make my coffee and have toasted, get my friend and

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<v Speaker 1>feed her and open the break and just like everybody else,

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<v Speaker 1>is everybody you do when you get up, for God's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>same thing every day. Tell me, in speaking of longevity

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<v Speaker 1>and routines, what do you think are a few tips

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<v Speaker 1>that have helped you and the people that surround you

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<v Speaker 1>who have lived longer lives. What are the patterns you've seen? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the main thing is you've got to enjoy life. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>go someplace that you don't want to go because you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be miserable. Don't go, I mean, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 1>make everybody else miserable. Right. If you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a good time, stay home. And if you do

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<v Speaker 1>have a job, be sure that you enjoy it, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not enjoyed it, if people working for yours

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<v Speaker 1>not going to enjoy it either, So don't even give

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<v Speaker 1>it a try. So go to something else that you

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<v Speaker 1>can enjoy. And uh, there's doors opened all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>If people would take advantage of education or falling their dreams,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a wonderful place. But you can't give up.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what the problem is. People will not

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<v Speaker 1>do it. They will put out the effort, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to have effort before you do anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care what it is. If you had to put your

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<v Speaker 1>career into three words as a story, what would your

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<v Speaker 1>story be? I will, I will, And that's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be is I always? I will, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will be done. Thank you so much, made Val, You're amazing. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I appreciate that. I know got it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very happy, you know, and I'm going to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>until I die. I think the temptation when you meet

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<v Speaker 1>someone like may By Blair, who's and such a histol.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how else to describe her but to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she's so cute, but like she would she would eat

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<v Speaker 1>you for breakfast. I mean, she is cute, but she

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<v Speaker 1>is a fighter and you don't mess with me Bell No.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that it's remarkable to me just

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<v Speaker 1>how many different things she is still doing every single

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<v Speaker 1>day and she's years old. I like, started our speed

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<v Speaker 1>round without really warning her, and I just said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's her morning routine? And She's like, what does anyone

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<v Speaker 1>do in the morning, I do what everyone else says.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just so funny, you know, she doesn't she pulls

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<v Speaker 1>no punches totally. She does pull up punches, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really amazing to hear about her baseball career.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing to hear about what she's working on now,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to really continue to advance women's baseball. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things I loved learning about me about and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know it was like her corporate career. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she became like the third women's manager for North Rep,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a massive corporation. I think one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I loved hearing from her is she was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about you have to always give a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent. But she really was basically saying, like most

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't trying hard enough. And I know you and

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<v Speaker 1>I share that kind of sentiment where it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>people who try hard are the ones who are going

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed. And she put it into her baseball career,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she put it into her corporate career, and

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<v Speaker 1>now she's putting that energy and effort into creating a

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<v Speaker 1>women's baseball league. And I wouldn't doubt that she can

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<v Speaker 1>do it, Like I feel like I would never ever

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<v Speaker 1>bet against Maybel. Right. The other thing I think that

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<v Speaker 1>has to be noted is that she's someone that is

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<v Speaker 1>still constantly evolving, and I think that there is this

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<v Speaker 1>sense or just assumption, and maybe it's just an American

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<v Speaker 1>culture that like, you turn sixty or seventy and like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all over now, nothing new will be happening to

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<v Speaker 1>you in life, like nothing new to dream about, or

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<v Speaker 1>do you know? Maybel came out as lesbian in her nineties, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's still learning, still changing, and still participating in

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<v Speaker 1>a cultural discourse. And when she did speak out publicly

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time about her sexuality, she did it

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<v Speaker 1>because she wanted young girl ball players to feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that she came out at she might be

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<v Speaker 1>the oldest public figure to come out, right, But what's

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable about it is, like I found it. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>tough person. But then there was something like almost heartbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>when she said, you know, I don't want a young

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<v Speaker 1>person to have to suffer the way I did when

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<v Speaker 1>I was all my life going out with men. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to go out with I mean, when she

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<v Speaker 1>puts it in those terms, It just it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>it really pulls your heart strings. I have the chills

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking about it. I mean, imagine for nine years

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<v Speaker 1>hiding who you are, and it really puts things in

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<v Speaker 1>a different light when you hear it that way, a

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<v Speaker 1>life that you look back on and realize that the

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<v Speaker 1>entire higher time you were socializing for nine years, you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't able to be your authentic self or to share

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<v Speaker 1>your authentic self with everyone. So I mean, I'm thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>for her that she was able to finally do that,

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<v Speaker 1>but it it does break your heart a little when

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<v Speaker 1>you realize how many people are probably suffering that way.

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