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Speaker 1: Ladies.

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Speaker 2: And you want experience during your football season, well, buckle up,

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Speaker 2: sweet cheeks. We've got all the experience in the world.

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Speaker 3: This is I want your flex.

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Speaker 4: With Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 2: Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set

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Speaker 2: your lineups, from position rankings to starts and sits. The

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Speaker 2: guys help you make those hard decisions. And now let's

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Speaker 2: get your flexod here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.

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Speaker 1: The off season is officially here. Hit Mike up at

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Speaker 1: Swollen Dome, find him on Blue Sky. At Mike Harmon,

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Speaker 1: you can find me Dan Bayer at Dan Byer on

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Speaker 1: Fox on X and at Dan Byer on Blue Sky.

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Speaker 1: And Ian Roddy is our executive producer. It's Ian Desh

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Speaker 1: Roddy and Blue Sky and Ian Roddy underscore on X.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right me boom, I'm getting it down,

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Speaker 1: pat Ian. Just as the season is winding down for

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Speaker 4: Call it a three pointer, you would have been the

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Speaker 4: first guy to hit one. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I

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Speaker 4: take a shot at NBA All Star Weekend? And whenever

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Speaker 4: I watched it it was fine.

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Speaker 1: It is a funky spot that we're in right now

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Speaker 1: because the NBA is off, the NFL is waiting to

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Speaker 1: ride into combine stuff, the coaching carousel is pretty much stopped.

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Speaker 1: So there's some stuff that's going on, but it doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily grab the headlines as we normally would for any

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Speaker 1: quiet spot for the NFL before they really ramp up

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Speaker 1: over these next couple of weeks, and it allows us

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Speaker 1: at what the previous season has and had transpired and

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Speaker 1: what could transpire into twenty twenty five. And last week

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about the Super Bowl Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: Eagles and where that is, but there's also thirty other

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Speaker 1: still try to figure out what went wrong, Mike, And

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where as we enter the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to start with the Detroit Lions. For

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Speaker 1: a team that had such an amazing run in the

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Speaker 1: I wonder if now that last season, meaning twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if this was the best opportunity for the

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, part of it is the in Campbell

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Speaker 4: do things. That's all fine and good. Seven assistant coaches,

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Speaker 4: got too cute time and again. For me. We talked

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Speaker 4: he's the coach of the Bears, I hope I'll hate

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Speaker 4: it just the same, because eventually it does come back

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Speaker 4: to bite you in the ass. The football gods are

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Speaker 4: a very thickle bunch lowercase G of course, but like

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Speaker 4: the let's do the wide receiver pass. No, we're getting

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Speaker 4: how much of that stuff stays right in terms of

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Speaker 4: how Ben Johnson was so eclectic and creative in his

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Speaker 4: let's look at at what that print comes out at. Nah,

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Speaker 4: and that team is so much better, right, balance with

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Speaker 4: what they got from Josh Jacobs and all of a sudden, well,

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Speaker 4: now you're fighting all three teams in the division. You

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're absolutely right. And to your point, if Chicago

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Speaker 1: next year. You ready for this?

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Speaker 1: We know the division? Those three teams Washington, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Zero breathers, absolutely none.

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Speaker 1: No, And obviously first play schedule plays a role into that.

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Speaker 1: But also your cross division matchup is now with the

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Speaker 1: I'd much rather have Baltimore and Cincinnati come to my place.

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Speaker 4: so you get a better season of health. But there's

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Speaker 4: no guarantees on that. There's no guarantees at all. All

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Speaker 4: anybody to get hurt. I'm just a realist. Right, you're

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Speaker 4: as you used to you guys, right, I mean, Dan,

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Speaker 4: you and I have been around this forever. Ian you

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that they're not all a bunch of liars

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Speaker 1: There's at some point we would look at the forty

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Speaker 1: that's going to be true to form no matter what happens.

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Speaker 1: off season for you, Mike, Commanders or Rams Rams, And

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Speaker 1: I think more people believe that the Commanders are going

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Speaker 4: No, the curiosity right of you know how much behind

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Speaker 4: airing some dirty laundry when it comes with the Cooper

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Speaker 4: potential TV windows down the line. This is the guy

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Speaker 4: I don't know that we see on a sideline fifteen

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Speaker 4: gonna get all the winning I can now and if Stafford,

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Speaker 4: So there's always already the reports that they gave him

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Speaker 4: had a great finish, that's great, but games in September

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Speaker 4: You got nice young defense, some great component parts. Kyen

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Speaker 4: Williams is a good player, obviously, Pokin Dakua when available

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Speaker 1: and if they aren't picking first, maybe he stays another year.

434
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: But if the Saints tank and he's number one, I

435
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: think he goes into the draft, and that's their plan

436
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: full circle, right, Absolutely, it's I've I've tried to lay

437
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: it out just on the heels of the Kellen Moore.

438
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury didn't take the job because next season is

439
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: going to be awful for the Saints. So why would

440
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury go somewhere where they're not going to win,

441
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: where he's going to get a head coaching job in

442
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. Sorry, he's just he's going to be

443
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: a candidate no matter what, and very likely we'll be

444
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: back in the head coaching gig. Why don't you stay

445
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: in Washington another year? Because the Saints aren't showing any

446
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: commitment to winning in twenty twenty five. They still haven't

447
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 1: hit rock bottom yet, so I think that's where it goes.

448
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: That's my I like it. That's my thought process on it.

449
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: I think it just makes too much sense. They need

450
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: something to redevelop themselves after the Drew Brees exit, and

451
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: and I think the Manning family would would be on

452
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: board with it. They did absolutely be on board.

453
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 4: Well, and we know Copper always walking the dog and

454
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: everything around New Way. He's like the man and he's

455
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: the mayor. Yes, absolutely, I watched all a lot of

456
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 4: pregame show. I was I couldn't fall asleep.

457
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 1: Even to the pronunciation, right Copper, Yeah, let's go.

458
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 4: It's my guy. Hey, I always thought he was funny.

459
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: It's good to see he's been a decade.

460
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: If the Saints picked second, I think it's a question mark,

461
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, and what what would happen? Yeah, it's because

462
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 1: that I have to mortgage their future.

463
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 5: But because he's from Louisiana, so I mean, I get it,

464
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 5: I get it.

465
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: I just his grandpa's Archie Manning, you know, played for

466
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: the Saints. He's Saints legend, where the kids grew up,

467
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: that's where that's where they're from. It brings everything back home.

468
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 4: So one of the most undervalued players in NFL history,

469
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 4: a victim of circumstance if there ever was one. Yeah,

470
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: you go back and watch old footage of Archie Mann

471
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 4: and you're like, Wow, this poor guy, his poor son

472
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: of a gun. What he was playing with and trying

473
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: to elevate man.

474
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a time out. We are long

475
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: talking about the NFC. We're already twenty four minutes and

476
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: it's been that fun. Don't worry, and there's a lot

477
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: more to talk about the AFC. He's Mike Carmen, that's

478
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: Ian Roddy, I'm Dan Byer. We'll run down the AFC

479
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: next year, and I want your flex. All right, we

480
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: touched a lot on the NFC. Let's get to the

481
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: AFC side of things. We can leave the Chiefs out

482
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: of this conversation. Cincinnati Bengals there right now the talk

483
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: of the offseason. T Higgins seems to be at least

484
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: a priority for the team, so much that a franchise

485
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: tag could be used if they aren't able to strike

486
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: a long term deal with him. Mike, I don't love

487
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: that move for Cincinnati. I don't think that you need

488
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: to pay your top two wide receivers and megabucks. I

489
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: don't know if they're like feeling some remorse because Jermaine

490
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: Burton's been such a flop and they don't think that

491
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: they can get somebody opposite. I just don't know how

492
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: wise it is to spend money because you're gonna have

493
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: to spend it on Jamar Chase. I don't know how

494
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: wise it is to also spend it on t Higgins,

495
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: but that seems to be the route that Cincinnata at

496
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: least wants to go for twenty twenty five.

497
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, in the end, what did we see? A contract

498
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 4: issues in San Francisco? And yes, they were hit with

499
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 4: some massive injuries, losing mccaff or whatever else, but their

500
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 4: offseason was defined by contract talk, and for the Bengals,

501
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: this offseason has defined hell. The end of the season

502
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 4: was already the chatter of all right, what are they

503
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: gonna do? Right? They made a nice charge towards the ends,

504
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: and that was great without much of a defense beyond Henderson,

505
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: although they did play better late, But Joe Burrow in company,

506
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 4: I don't know that you can pay these guys to

507
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 4: this level unless Joe Burrow is just going to defer

508
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: everything like he's shoey Otani. Take a dollar and be

509
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: on the rosters forever. I mean, if you're gonna pay

510
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: Hendrickson and that's the other part of this, right, if

511
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: you're actually gonna pay him, all right, that's one guy

512
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: out of your eleven and now you're gonna play pay

513
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: the quarterback and two wide receivers. Who the hell's blocking

514
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: the running game? Is three guys? I mean they're okay.

515
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: Like Chase Brown had some moments, but is he a

516
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: game change or no. We watched what Joe Mixon did

517
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: down in Houston the gap right in terms of playmaking.

518
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: So look, I like T Higgins obviously great numbers when

519
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: Chase was out right, and he can step into that

520
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 4: number one role, but there's no comparison. I'm giving Chase

521
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: all the money he wants, yes, and I'm figuring out

522
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: life after T Higgins. I have to.

523
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: It's it's a luxury. And yeah, when you have a car,

524
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: you don't say I'll take the heated seats over the wheels.

525
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: That's not what you do. And that's what it is.

526
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: And that's where you have to be like, all right,

527
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: it's been fine, but we need this car to drive.

528
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: We need to get to point A to point B.

529
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: And you take the hit at that point. And it's

530
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: not disrespectful to T. Higgins play by any means, but

531
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: it just doesn't It doesn't mesh with what we've seen

532
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: in the current NFL. If this was two thousand and five, Mike, absolutely,

533
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: this is two thousand and three in the days of

534
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison or Tory Holt, Isaac Bruce, all

535
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: of those great tandems we can think of, Randy Moss,

536
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: Chris Carter, the whole deal. Absolutely, I just don't think

537
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: it works in this NFL. And I commend Joe Burrow

538
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: for wanting to do his part, But as you said,

539
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: it's it's also not just T Higgins. It is Trey Hendrickson,

540
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: and it's that offensive line. And maybe they found something

541
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: with Chase Brown as they're running back, who knows. But

542
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: the the offensive line is what gotten Burrow killed in

543
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: two out of a season so far. And that's the

544
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: point that I would rather look at instead of making

545
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: sure that T. Higgins is open and on the other

546
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: side of the field.

547
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: All about getting back to the guts of things, right,

548
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 4: You got Yoshivic who shows up in spots. He had

549
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: a couple of big plays the Burton conundrum. Right, you

550
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 4: had the off field issue. No charges were filed, but

551
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: still you know red flags that pop up and on

552
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: the field. Right, we always talk about if you're really important,

553
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: you can overlook some things. If you're middling or poor,

554
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: then well the team's got to make some other evaluations.

555
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: But talking about you know, committing those kinds of dollars

556
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: man to two wide receivers and your quarterback already making

557
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: fifty five a year, I mean, you need the We

558
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: always talk about it, right, you need the quarterback. You

559
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: need a guy who can go find and destroy the

560
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: other teams. Well there's there's your recipe. There's interesting, okay,

561
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: so fine, check and mate. And then Jamar Chase is

562
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: just in a class by himself. We'll talk about it

563
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: from the fantasy Well, it was one hundred points better

564
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: than any other wide receiver in the game for fantasy

565
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 4: purposes this year at PPR leagues. And just a guy

566
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: that no matter what you do, what's just end at him.

567
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: He's making a play. So we watch all these other

568
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: teams make make their endgame runs to conference title games.

569
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: In the Super Bowl, you gotta the old Arnold Schwarzenegger

570
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: line from pumping iron. You gotta work to balance and definition,

571
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: and you gotta work to the guts of your squad.

572
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow running for his life. I don't care what

573
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 4: the final stats are. This is a guy that we've

574
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: watched be injured repeatedly, even this year. How many reports

575
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: did we have about that wrist, Even deep into the

576
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: season when he was putting up monster numbers, it was

577
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: still all right. Watch how he holds his arm as

578
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: he's on the bench or if he's standing next to someone.

579
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: So all of that to say, like, you've got a window.

580
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 4: It's like those people that I warned leaving the Super Bowl.

581
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: You got to figure out how to extend that as

582
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 4: much as you can because there's no guarantee you're coming back.

583
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 4: And it all starts and ends with him, So figure

584
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 4: out how to keep them up.

585
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: Right. Do you guys think Miles Garrett gets stuck by

586
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: the Brons?

587
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: Yes, you do. I do at the end of the day.

588
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: Just because they don't want them there, because the deal

589
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: is too good to pass.

590
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: Out, too good to pass up in a reset kind

591
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: of situation. And he makes enough noise about it, because

592
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: I mean that playoff run last two years ago, right,

593
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: the Stefanski coaching job and what they were able to do.

594
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: I mean you had to pull every string, right, And

595
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: I'll give Barry and the roster building squad, you know,

596
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: they're just due. They did a pretty good job. You

597
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: had pieces all over, oh except for that quarterback that

598
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: you had to keep replacing and who's now unavailable to

599
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 4: you for this year. So you're starting off with a rookie.

600
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: You need to start building infrastructure around him. Your offensive

601
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: linemen are good, but they're getting very old, very fast,

602
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 4: right Beotonio is what thirty five?

603
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know at the top of yeah, yeah.

604
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: Or something like that, like teasing retirement regard.

605
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 4: But but either way, right, like we're talking about guys

606
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: that have been staples, that are top notch players that

607
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: might be in their final year or two. You need

608
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: to go get as many picks as someone's willing to

609
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: give up for Miles Garrett and go start building your

610
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: team of the future.

611
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: You good with that Ian? You think he's gone?

612
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: I do.

613
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: I think they trade him, but I I personally I

614
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 5: think the return is going to be less than than

615
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: people expect, just because he's over thirty. He's uh, he

616
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: doesn't want to be there is kind of the main thing.

617
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 5: He's literally said, he'll do whatever it distressed property. Baby,

618
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 5: Come on, it's not like this is over some contract

619
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: dispute and if you can manage to hammer something out there,

620
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: you can make them happy. It's like, no, he just

621
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 5: straight up doesn't want to be here anymore. So to me,

622
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 5: I think he's gone no matter what they say.

623
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think that you guys have

624
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: hit some strong points. I just don't know who's willing

625
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: to do it. And it's funny because I've seen about

626
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: five mock drafts that have included trades in the only

627
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: team that has been mocked with the Miles Garrett trade

628
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: is the Dallas Cowboys, Okay, and which is hilarious because

629
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: to me, what that is saying is that let's mock

630
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: him to the Cowboy, or let's mock the trade to

631
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because we know Jerry Jones is crazy and

632
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: he's crazy enough to do this deal or or would

633
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: at least give Cleveland for what they would want.

634
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: I agree with that logic, honestly.

635
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, even you know, even the young lineman

636
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: on the Brons like Jedrick Wills on his way out

637
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: like that hasn't worked out. It worked at one point,

638
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: but not anymore. So there's there's change absolutely everywhere. And

639
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: it's also an organization that you look back and you

640
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: look back at Joe Thomas's career. At least Miles Garrett's

641
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: been to the playoffs. Yeah, but you know, to that

642
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: point of just you know, keeping a guy there, and

643
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas never played in a player game. It just

644
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be I don't know the need to

645
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: do that. He doesn't have to be a Brown for life.

646
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: He can still be, you know, he could. He could

647
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: still come back when he's done with retirement and wave

648
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: to the fans to do what he's got to do.

649
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: But this this version of the Browns sure seems to

650
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: be over. They could be really helped out with a

651
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: bunch of picks and aside from the fact of you

652
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: really don't know how many great years he does have

653
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: left and and that's the that I think is the

654
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: thing to push it over the top if you are

655
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland of just you know, it's kind of when it's

656
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: not exact. But when the Colts had to make the

657
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: decision on Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. It made it

658
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: a lot easier that Andrew Luck was there. And even

659
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: if Peyton Manning was fully healthy, there were only so

660
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: many more years he could play. It ended up being

661
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: four more years. But the last one, you know, he

662
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl with the Broncos. But we saw

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: he couldn't throw the ball in the second half of

664
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: the season and to the playoffs. So you do that,

665
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: you end up doing that deal. And if you're the Browns,

666
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: so what if he has a dominant twenty twenty five.

667
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: If he had a dominant twenty twenty five for the Browns,

668
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: you'd win six games.

669
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 4: But that's the thing, right, It goes back to the

670
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley argument that I was trying to make for

671
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 4: what two months. He's great. He would have given the

672
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: Giants an extra half a win, Yes, yeah, okay, you

673
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 4: would have loved to watch him run straight into the

674
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: back of his offensive lineman who got no traction.

675
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, what are we doing?

676
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 4: Same thing with Garrett here. You're in a tough division.

677
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: You're clearly in in a rebuilt mode. You got you

678
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: got some pieces, there's no question, but you're in a

679
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: tough division and you don't have the thing that you need.

680
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Yep.

681
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: And nobody's believing anybody's walking through that door. That's suddenly

682
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: a difference maker via the draft or into free agency,

683
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 4: because you're still no matter how much people want. Is

684
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: that while DeShawn Watson's not a factor, as long as

685
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: he's on the damn books, he's a factor whether he's

686
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 4: at a practice facility or not. As long as they're

687
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: they're beholden to any dollars of his contract. It informs

688
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: every other damn decision they make, yep. And trying to

689
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: deny that is just foolish.

690
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: The offers and the teams that could be interested. And

691
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to say everybody, but people were calling

692
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: out Buffalo of being that team. I think I said

693
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: it on this podcast. I apologize if I didn't and

694
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: set it on a show. I think that the Bills

695
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: need to focus on defense. And if James Cook wants

696
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars, see you, yeah exactly, Like so you

697
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: talk about now a Buffalo team to kind of shift

698
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: gears to there, you know they could be in play

699
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: for Miles Garrett and whether Pixar right now with the

700
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: first round pick, it wouldn't necessarily hurt them. In that case,

701
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: I think it would be a huge play for them

702
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. They'd be able to get that

703
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: sort of caliber what they need. But I think that's

704
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: the only way you get Josh Allen to a Super

705
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: Bowl is you don't surround them with just tons and

706
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: tons of Office of weapons. You've got to make sure

707
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: that that defense is formidable. And getting Miles Garrett in

708
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: this window that you have right now, maybe it may

709
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: be difficult in years in the past because of what

710
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: you're giving up, but I almost think it would be

711
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: worth it for Buffalo to roll the dice on a deal.

712
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 4: No, absolutely. I mean we watched it thinking they'd be

713
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: better down the stretch, right, you got a couple of

714
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: guys back from injury. Wasn't enough. Wasn't enough even close?

715
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 4: The James Cook things laughable because you know, I've been

716
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: a champion of his on the podcast for a couple

717
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 4: of years. This year he got to his four point

718
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 4: nine yards percure. That's great, But if we've got to

719
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 4: limit him to two hundred carries, that's not a fifteen

720
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 4: million dollars a year running.

721
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 3: No two things can be true at once.

722
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 5: He's a great running back, and he's not worth fifteen

723
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 5: million dollars, right, I mean, and.

724
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: That's the thing, right, and the other like look again,

725
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 4: like you say, Dan, I don't know who hears all

726
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 4: our podcasts and the three of us we might be

727
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: an echo chamber to ourselves. But for those that missed it,

728
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: like all those guys with the running game right to

729
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: kind of extend that to Buffalo and what decisions they've

730
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: got to make, right, money shifted towards the defense, to

731
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: try to figure out how to stop the Ravens, how

732
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 4: to stop whatever. The next iteration of the Chiefs is

733
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: whatever comes out of the AFC West, because that division's

734
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: gonna get a lot better. Don't know about the Raiders,

735
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: but the other three teams they're not going anywhere, right,

736
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 4: so including the aforemanchal Chiefs of course. But just to

737
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: that end is all those guys that left to go

738
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: somewhere else were good to great running backs who went

739
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: to good to great situations. Right, Philadelphia's offensive line, Baltimore,

740
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 4: they're talking about expecting to lose Ronnie Stanley. You finally

741
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 4: had your offensive line you've been waiting on for these years.

742
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: He finally stayed healthy. And your immediately like, yeah, he's

743
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 4: gonna leave, Like no, no, Derrick Henry's fantastic, But guess what,

744
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: you're really fantastic. And we watched it with Barkley. What

745
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: was the high like during the Super Bowl pregame show?

746
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: It was all the runs, he doesn't get touched and

747
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 4: suddenly it's him in a safety and he's waving at him,

748
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 4: go and see you. It's same thing with Derrick Henry,

749
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: same thing with Josh Jacobs in Green Bay. They went

750
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 4: to places that had great infrastructure. You gotta build that first.

751
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 4: And the Bills have a pretty good offensive line. You

752
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 4: can go find another running back at far less than

753
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 4: fifteen million.

754
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: Dollars, especially in a historically great draft class.

755
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: For that is absolutely true.

756
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: Ian. The division wise, your Jets, how do you feel

757
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: with the Aaron Glenn era beginning? Now you're having competition

758
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: with the Patriots and them starting over with Mike vrabel.

759
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how much we think the Dolphins are

760
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: going to take a step forward, Ian.

761
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 5: But that's a rebuild race. Yes, well, I guess I

762
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 5: don't know what the Jets. Can you really say rebuild

763
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 5: when there's nothing like that? There has to have been

764
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 5: something in the first place. You know, it's it's just build.

765
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 5: It's just they're in a build.

766
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: It's I guess it also just as tough to even

767
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: take a gay. I said, what the Jets are going

768
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: to do now, because there's just so many questions. But

769
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it's going to be your.

770
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 5: They don't even know who's going to be going to

771
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 5: be the signal caller, of course. But but but with

772
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 5: the decision to move on from Rogers, you guys know

773
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 5: that I've been for that all along, just because when

774
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 5: you hired Glenn, you made the decision that you're doing

775
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 5: a complete culture reset. So you can't just do like

776
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 5: a half measure, like, Okay, we want to do a

777
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: culture reset with Aaron Glenn, but we're going to keep

778
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 5: Rogers around because we think he's our best chance to

779
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 5: win games. It's like, no, are you doing a full

780
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 5: reset or not? Because if you keep Rogers around, it's

781
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: his organization, like it or not. So I really really

782
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 5: liked that they were willing to do this. I feel

783
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 5: like it was the right thing.

784
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: So which guy do you want if to replace the

785
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 4: stafford aside, let's just push him to the side, because

786
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: we I think I'll agree out of everything there, he's

787
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 4: the best option. Well, but beyond him.

788
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 5: Well, Rogers at the end of the day is your

789
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 5: best opportunity to win games. But I don't think that

790
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: that's really the goal of next season. I think, like

791
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: I said it, I mean, obviously you want to win games,

792
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 5: and obviously you want to make the playoffs, but I

793
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: think the main goal is just establishing a new culture

794
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 5: and starting to build this thing from the ground up.

795
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree with that, And what a shame because

796
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: of the talent that is on that team. Yeah, but

797
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean I'm curious to see on what moves you make.

798
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's value for Sauce Gardner on that.

799
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: Team, value in keeping him?

800
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, yeah, I trade both him.

801
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 5: And Wilson, you would see I would keep them because

802
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: of what I was saying about building a culture, like

803
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 5: you need the right players in place to do that.

804
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 5: Rogers is one of the wrong players. But I don't

805
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: think that just because you were in the building during

806
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 5: this last era means that you aren't capable of being

807
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 5: a building block towards a good culture.

808
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 4: For Wilson in particular, Just some comments Daniels talking about

809
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: some of these other things that you may have already

810
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 4: lost him. Yeah, Rogers back or not. He may have

811
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 4: seen enough in that building the last couple of years and.

812
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 5: He's already done. If that's the case, part of another build.

813
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 5: If that's the case, then you have to get rid

814
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: of him. But obviously they know more than that than

815
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 5: I do, and that than we do. They they can

816
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: talk to him, they can get a feel for that

817
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 5: and if he wants to stick stick around, which I

818
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 5: really hope he does. He's he's one of my favorite

819
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: players on the team. So I really really hope that

820
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 5: he h what's the word, just kind of gets a

821
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 5: better attitude about the whole thing.

822
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 3: Now that Rogers is gone.

823
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Let's let's wrap up the AFC talk like this. And sorry,

824
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: AFC South, We're just not gonna get to you.

825
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: But oh come on, Trevor Lawrence said, nobody wanted me.

826
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, the Steelers didn't want me.

827
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: How about that draft? That trade story that was that

828
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: was exciting at least at least we get some spice

829
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: going on.

830
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 4: You know what we did with it, so that I go,

831
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 4: I just may not have any ounce of truth, like

832
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: we said it in the moment, it's like, but it's

833
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: fun to theorize about. So let's do this. Someone should

834
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 4: try to trade for Trevor Laurence. Absolutely, get him out

835
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: of there.

836
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 3: Let's see what he can do.

837
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: The Jags are the ones to leak it, and Pitzer's like,

838
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: how did we get dragged into this? You know thirty

839
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: one other teams and you picked us, you know, like,

840
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: come on, that's But with the AFC West, I think

841
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: there will be a Super Bowl hangover, and I think

842
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: there's the Chiefs still could win the AFC West next year.

843
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't would have passed him to do that, but

844
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be difficult for the

845
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: Chiefs to get back to the super Bowl. But the

846
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: question is is who wins the race then? Between the

847
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Chargers and the Broncos. You alluded that, you know, we'd

848
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: like to include the Raiders, but realistically it's probably not it.

849
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: Right now, I think we would all think it's the Chargers.

850
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I think on the surface, because we would think year

851
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: two with Jim Harbaugh in them actually getting players because

852
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: they didn't have players. Are we all on board with that?

853
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Or am I off base because of the promised Denver

854
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Show this year.

855
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 4: I think part one to the Chargers is what are

856
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 4: they doing on the defensive line? Right? In terms of well,

857
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: I guess front seven, right. We talk about Khalil Mack,

858
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 4: we talk about Joey Bosa, we talk about their contracts,

859
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: their age, their injury histories, all of those things. So

860
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 4: that's one of those that's kind of festering out there,

861
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Speaker 4: and the other is who's that receiver that shows up

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Speaker 4: to save the day?

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Speaker 1: Yep? Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I know all of our friends here

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Speaker 4: at Fox Sports Radio that have any tangential ties to

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Speaker 4: the Chargers have already started drawing little I Love t.

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Speaker 4: Higgins notes in their notebooks or on their rundowns around here.

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Speaker 4: But beyond that, you know, Keenan Allen's like, I'll only

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Speaker 4: play in Chicago or go back to Los Angeles. I

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Speaker 4: don't know, he'd be a nice guy to help move

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Speaker 4: the chains. Lad McConkey actually finished, I think as a

872
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Speaker 4: top twelve or top fourteen wide receiver for PPR purposes,

873
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Speaker 4: so you at least found a possession guy. So I

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Speaker 4: don't know that you need Keenan Allen mac, but certainly

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Speaker 4: you need another target and to maybe let Justin Harbert

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Speaker 4: use that army pay you paid so much for him

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Speaker 4: to stick around with. But certainly the building blocks are there,

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Speaker 4: especially the offensive line being as settled as it is

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Speaker 4: with Slater and all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where the running game will necessarily be

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Speaker 1: for Denver. We hope that bow Knicks doesn't have a

882
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Speaker 1: sophomore slump, but their defense is the real deal. Advance

883
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Speaker 1: Joseph isn't going anywhere, and so you would expect that

884
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Speaker 1: defense and that may be the strongest unit of any

885
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Speaker 1: of the units for both of those teams. And you're

886
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Speaker 1: coming back next year, so Denver is going to be

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Speaker 1: a part of that equation. You just hope that bow

888
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Speaker 1: Knicks can end up taking that next step. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: to your point, the funny thing about the Chargers and

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver thing is again because you bring up

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Speaker 1: t Higgins, it's because that's best available and that's all

892
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Speaker 1: that they They just they want something, they want something good.

893
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: Is the cocky. Yeah that lad Wikkey was pretty good,

894
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: like like he was, and he's not the Michael Crabtree

895
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Speaker 1: that you're gonna have on those hardball forty nine Ers teams.

896
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Speaker 1: But I think that that's what you need. So you

897
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Speaker 1: got to find that guy to be that crabtree guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if T. Higgins is that guy, but

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Speaker 1: if you're the Chargers, you got to figure out a

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Speaker 1: way to go find him.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me run through a couple of guys that

902
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Speaker 4: are in the marketplace. I mean, Stevon Digg is a

903
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Speaker 4: free agent. You got T Higgins, Keenan Allen, Amari, Cooper

904
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: Godwin coming off his injury might be too spicy down

905
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Speaker 4: there in Tampa. And you know, and they roll the

906
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Speaker 4: dice that they can move on without him. Beyond that,

907
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Speaker 4: it's just a lot of jags.

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Speaker 1: Harrett Wilson, you know.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, that's what I mean. I'd go and I'd

910
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Speaker 4: see what I can package together. I don't know what

911
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Speaker 4: kind of pile of picks the Chargers have, as I try.

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Speaker 1: To don't worry about it. I wouldn't even be able

913
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Speaker 1: to tell you what the Jets would accept at this

914
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Speaker 1: point for it.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, that's a good question. But I mean it's all

916
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Speaker 4: philosophical and that's the beauty of these exercises that we

917
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Speaker 4: have here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a fun, fun offseason.

919
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Speaker 1: In looking ahead, I'll tell you one thing that I

920
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Speaker 1: really like. I really really like that we don't know

921
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: who the number one pick is going to be right now,

922
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Speaker 1: not it'll probably leak at some point. But what I

923
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Speaker 1: mean by that is it's it's not a rotation of quarterbacks,

924
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Speaker 1: like is it Baker Mayfield, is it Sam Darnold? Who

925
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Speaker 1: is it? I've seen mock drafts with Travis Hunter one.

926
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Speaker 1: I've seen mock drafts drafts with abdual Carter number one.

927
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: I've seen them with Cam Wore number one. So just

928
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Speaker 1: the whole different areas that it can go. That actually

929
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: makes for a fun draft when you're not sure on

930
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: the player or even the position, because that has so

931
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Speaker 1: many dominoes. So hopefully that'll make things exciting and maybe

932
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Speaker 1: can even spice up some trades this offseason.

933
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Speaker 4: Well we have the Tennessee GM say you can't pass

934
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Speaker 4: on a generational guy. Ian who do you think he

935
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Speaker 4: was referring to.

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Speaker 5: I've been thinking about that, and while for a while

937
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Speaker 5: I thought it was Abdul Carter because he's legitimately just

938
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Speaker 5: a freak off the edge, it's Travis Hunter. It has

939
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Speaker 5: to be right, because generational you're talking about a guy who,

940
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Speaker 5: like how many guys have we ever seen play both

941
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Speaker 5: sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: This was going to be this is gonna be my

943
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Speaker 1: last word. When Dave Gettlman was the GM of the Giants,

944
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Speaker 1: he said the same thing in twenty eighteen.

945
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Speaker 3: I know what you're gonna say when.

946
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Speaker 1: They were picking number two, and I honestly thought, guys,

947
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: I honestly thought he was going to take Quintin Nelson

948
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Speaker 1: because that was the only truly like sure thing. When

949
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: when Quentin Nelson was coming out of that draft, the

950
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Speaker 1: way that he the way that he said it, I'm like,

951
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Speaker 1: you know what, that would actually make sense that you're

952
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Speaker 1: trying to draft a you know, Hall of Fame sort

953
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Speaker 1: of guy. And then who does he end up drafting?

954
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Speaker 1: Tae Kwon Barkley. So there was and now we're like, oh,

955
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Speaker 1: Gettleman was right. You just happened to do it in

956
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Speaker 1: an Eagles uniform. But so I've heard that verbiage before

957
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Speaker 1: and I was I was wrong on it one time,

958
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Speaker 1: and I don't think I want to be wrong again.

959
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Speaker 4: So I enjoyed the chaos theory. This draft run is

960
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 4: going to be amazing. The combine coming up here in

961
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Speaker 4: short order and all the mock drafts and full effect

962
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Speaker 4: all our friends in the larger media business that do

963
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Speaker 4: forty seven iterations of them, and all of the scuttle

964
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Speaker 4: button rumor conjectures, speculations starting with the franchise tags and

965
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Speaker 4: then moving on to some of these things like Ian's

966
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Speaker 4: jets and so on. Like, there's just so many big

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Speaker 4: names that potentially can get moved this time around. Again,

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Speaker 4: we talked about it out here in Los Angeles with

969
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Speaker 4: the Rams. If they decide to move on from Stafford,

970
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Speaker 4: what has it become? Like? I think it's gonna be

971
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Speaker 4: an absolutely fascinating off season. Meanwhile, the Saints are in

972
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Speaker 4: the March for Arch, so it's all good and bending

973
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Speaker 4: pat and pending trademark bending.

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Speaker 1: I Mike, you know, as much as I'd love for

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Speaker 1: you to have that, I think i'm my run down.

976
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I wrote on Sunday. This was

977
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Speaker 1: my line the March for Arch. That's exactly what I wrote. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there we go.

979
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Speaker 4: We'll have to delight about it.

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Speaker 1: We could go have the He's on it. That's that's

981
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Speaker 1: I'm good with that. I call them the New New

982
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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. But yeah, hey went on the new New

983
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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. We've got our top sixty draft for twenty

984
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Speaker 1: twenty five coming up, plus some other fun episodes, whether

985
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Speaker 1: it be content that Mike has on his Sunday show

986
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Speaker 1: or even great conversations he does weekday nights with Jason

987
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: Smith on five Sports Radio. Also some conversations I had

988
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Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl with some of the NFL's star players,

989
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: Will Anderson at the Houston Texan stop by. Also got

990
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Speaker 1: a chance to speak with Austin Eckler and Brian Robinson.

991
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Speaker 1: You'll hear those conversations in so much more in upcoming

992
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Speaker 1: episodes of I Want Your Flags. So for Ian Roddy

993
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Speaker 1: and Mike Carmen, we hope you enjoyed our look back

994
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: at our look ahead, and we'll be back again with

995
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Speaker 1: our top sixty draft of twenty twenty five. That's next time,

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Speaker 1: right your and I Want Your Flex hmm