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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge, presented by a DraftKings. I'm Ryan

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Speaker 1: mink here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: take a deep dive into the Ravens twenty six to

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Speaker 1: twenty three loss to the Las Vegas Raiders and tell

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Speaker 1: you are takeaways from watching film, looking at the grades,

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Speaker 1: all of those things. So Garrett, before before we dive

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Speaker 1: into that, I just you know, the loss has marinated

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Speaker 1: here a couple of days for me, and I want

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Speaker 1: to say this, and look, there's a bad loss. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's no sugarcoating that. But every team in

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Speaker 1: the league has a bad loss like every year. Right,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can remove the Chiefs from that, but no,

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Speaker 1: that's not even true. They got smoked by the Raiders

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Speaker 1: last year. So there you go, there, Christa, they felt

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Speaker 1: this pain. The Ravens lost to the Colts and Gardner

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Speaker 1: Minshew early in last year.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You know that that graphic that goes out every year

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and it's a big circle and it's

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Speaker 1: like this team beat that team, who beat that team,

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Speaker 1: who beat that team, who beat that team, and it's

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Speaker 1: just like blows your mind. Every year it's gonna come

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Speaker 1: out again this year. It always comes out early in

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Speaker 1: the year. It's like Week five and there's just these

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I feel like it's set. Every year,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is so unpredictable. This year, you never know,

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Speaker 1: there's these wild upsets. We say this every year around

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Speaker 1: the league. That graphic comes out every year around the league.

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Speaker 1: So this was a bad loss. Let's hope that this

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Speaker 1: is the only one the Ravens take that they got

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Speaker 1: out of their system. And I'll say this, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: haven't played an AFC North game yet. Okay, it's not

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Speaker 1: like they're zero to two, and both those losses are

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Speaker 1: in the division. Okay, one's against the back to back

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions and then you took a bad one

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Speaker 1: at home and it's.

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Speaker 2: A bad one. Yeah, no, suggarting that. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 2: As this is marinated for me over the.

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Speaker 1: Past couple days, it's like, we're all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: this guy's not falling.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously not where you want to be. You're one.

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Speaker 1: You're really like when you were looking at the first

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Speaker 1: two weeks, you were like, good chance that it would

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Speaker 1: be one and one. Okay, on the road in case

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Speaker 1: to start the year. That's a tough assignment. You're one

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Speaker 1: game behind that, it's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the way I look at it, and

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Speaker 3: you're right that every team does have have bad losses.

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Speaker 2: By no means is the season over.

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Speaker 3: John Harwall talked to his press conference on Monday just

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Speaker 3: about that the team is going to be defined on

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Speaker 3: what they where they go from here, and of course

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Speaker 3: that's that is the reality and the focus. And it's

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Speaker 3: a seventeen game regular season and we're two games into it.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Ravens when they won their Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: and twenty twelve, they were ten and six that year.

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Speaker 2: So all that stuff is true.

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Speaker 3: However, like the Ravens have put themselves in a hole,

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Speaker 3: and and the Raiders, when you do the whole game win, loss,

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Speaker 3: when lost, when loss, that was a game home opener

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Speaker 3: against it, you know that it should be that's when

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Speaker 3: that's a bad loss.

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Speaker 2: And so they've they've it's not like a deep hole.

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Speaker 2: It's not like a pit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they're in like a hole that my dog digs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're in They're in a They're in

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Speaker 3: And I also think that what's compounding it is I

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Speaker 3: and you're looking at Dallas, and you're looking at the Bills,

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Speaker 3: and you're looking at the Bengals, and people are sitting

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Speaker 3: here saying it could be an oh one to five star.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's the fear. So put the Cowboys up

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Speaker 1: on a pestle. But they just got smoked at home

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Speaker 1: by the Saints. Correct Now, Look, I think that I

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 3: Again, I by no means am I saying that this

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Speaker 3: this season is a washed and and I'm not as

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Speaker 3: negative I think as a lot of the the conversation is,

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Speaker 2: A social media guys. But I'm also to all that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm also not.

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Speaker 3: I'm also not diminishing it too, that the Ravens have

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Speaker 3: put themselves, they have put themselves in a hole, and

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Speaker 3: so they're now going to have to Like if you

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Speaker 3: when I looked at when I've coming into the season,

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Speaker 3: then play from there, knowing it was a really tough stretch.

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Speaker 3: That's the way I looked at it. It's like if

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Speaker 3: you get a rip off three in a row. Now,

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Speaker 3: if you're going to get to three and two, now,

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Speaker 3: could you could you? Could you do it a two

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Speaker 3: still get to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: What you can't do is five.

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Speaker 3: You can't get oh and five, then you're not going

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Speaker 3: to go to the playoffs most likely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, turnaround.

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Speaker 3: So, like you know, I I also think that there

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Speaker 3: is it's far too easy. And like we say this

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Speaker 3: every year after a game that you don't expect to

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Speaker 3: lose to. Basically you play it out and you say, man,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be really tough to beat the Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: You're probably not going to beat the Bills. They're two

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Speaker 2: and oh they look great, blah bla blah. But like,

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Speaker 2: why the hell can't we beat the Bills at home? No?

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Speaker 3: I know, excuse me, well, I'm saying I'm saying that, Like,

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Speaker 3: you play this thing out and it's like you look

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Speaker 3: at you look at this and that's the way you think.

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Speaker 3: But then you look at it and you say, oh wait,

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Speaker 3: well the Fury a week ago, everyone was thinking that

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Speaker 3: they were great. Then they just lost to the Vikings

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Speaker 3: that nobody expected that. So these things happen around the league,

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Speaker 3: and I think that there's so a lot of football

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Speaker 3: to be played. But they, like the Ravens, are going

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Speaker 3: to have to improve on the things that have cost them.

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Speaker 3: And that's we're going to dive into here today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after watching the film, there's no doubt that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens need to play better. There's no doubt that the

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Speaker 1: Ravens as they san now have some weaknesses that need

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Speaker 1: to become stronger. Are they going to become strengths Maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but they need to become stronger. There's no doubt that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are beating themselves too much with penalties, with

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Speaker 2: Know, there's too much.

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Speaker 1: There's also no doubt that they've been on the short

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Speaker 1: doubt all those things can be true, right, The Ravens

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Speaker 1: it comes to calls and not playing good enough football, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I just I hate the whole, Like you know, there's

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Speaker 1: stop whining. You can't like stop winding. You're just crying

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Speaker 1: about the refs because you lost, blah blah blah. That's

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Speaker 1: not why we lost. Both things are why you can

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Speaker 1: lose games. Right, If, like some calls go the other way,

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Speaker 1: maybe you don't lose the game. Just like if you

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Speaker 1: don't make bad plays, maybe you don't lose the game. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: those things can both be true, Okay, And those are

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Speaker 1: like the reasons why the Ravens have far out gained

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Speaker 1: in terms of yards. Now, there's a lot of better

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Speaker 1: been outplayed in either of these games, really, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean they outgained the Chiefs by a wide margin. They

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Speaker 1: outgained the Raiders by a wide margin. Yeah, Okay, they

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Speaker 1: did a lot of things better than both of those

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Speaker 3: Right, And like Todd Mankinstead last week, name of the

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Speaker 3: you got to you gotta convert those.

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Speaker 1: Don't baff on how the Raiders were able to score

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand how that happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean turnover short field is one of them.

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Speaker 3: You know that that was a critical point in that game.

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Speaker 3: And you know, a punt with nineteen net yards and

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Speaker 3: like those, that's how you know that part of it,

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Speaker 3: that's part of it. You don't you don't have to

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Speaker 2: You know that puts you in that spot. Yep, totally.

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Speaker 1: And they hit some bomb field goals, right, hitting fifty

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Speaker 3: The other thing too, as we talk through the film

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Speaker 3: this is answer some of your emails. Got some good

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Speaker 3: emails over the course of this week, so as always,

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Speaker 3: you can email us at the lounge at ravensot NFL

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm off. My pedestal ran is over.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive into the film a little bit here,

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Speaker 1: and we'll start with the area of the team that

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Speaker 1: I know fans are probably most concerned about. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: keep it real here. We're gonna start with the offensive line. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's start with the good. Let's start with the good though. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Stanley is looking closer and closer to premiere left

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Speaker 1: tackle Ronnie Stanley of old with each game. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: he got a Pro Football Focused grade of eighty one

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Speaker 1: point six against the Raiders. That was his best grade

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Speaker 1: since Week three of twenty twenty. Yep, Okay, it's been

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Speaker 1: a minute. Okay, that was before the injury.

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Speaker 2: That was before his injury and before he got that contract.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, And so that's a really good sign for

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Speaker 1: the team, especially you know, when I saw Ronnie crumple

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Speaker 1: oh no, here we go. Got back up, finished the game,

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Speaker 1: played well, he's moving well, He's able to anchor a

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Speaker 2: Good news for this Raven offensive line. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think that, like Ronnie's resurgence has been a little

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Speaker 2: But he's playing at a really high level.

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Speaker 1: Because Week one he got flagged for three Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was like the conversation around the whole goals. That was

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Speaker 1: the conversation on him was like the illegal formations. But

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, fans could kind of see that

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Speaker 1: the inconsistency that existed there. So like but but I

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Speaker 1: just think that there's not enough conversation about how how

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Speaker 1: well he's playing. And I've said before, you know, this

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Speaker 3: Obviously, there were reports that the Ravens redid his contract

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Speaker 2: I think personally interesting Ronne to the extension. What's that

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Speaker 3: And I just wonder, you know, the Ravens have not

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Speaker 1: Now I don't that would that would be pretty dramatic,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Daniel faul Ala has been the starting

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Speaker 4: If Ben had earned the job at right guard, he'd

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Speaker 4: you look at the tape. You know, he didn't beat

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Speaker 4: I like Ben. I want Ben to take the next step.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's in the what year is he in?

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Speaker 4: You know, Ben knows what he needs to do if

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Speaker 4: If we thought Ben and outplayed Daniel, he'd be the

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Speaker 2: So that's his answer.

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Speaker 1: He feels they feel like he's directed. He's going to

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Speaker 2: They feel like fall Ale won that job this summer. Now,

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Speaker 1: You don't win one week one and then you keep

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Speaker 2: You know, he said, we continue to evaluate things. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, we're willing if we if we think somebody

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Speaker 1: He's getting beat on his edges. Guys have just been

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Speaker 1: He's not getting bull rush powered through, which you would

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Speaker 1: could be in part because it's a different position, right,

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Speaker 2: Is it happens fast? That guard. You got to shoot

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Speaker 1: When he's gotten his hands on guys, it's been okay,

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Speaker 2: It was a tie game.

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Speaker 3: The Ravens needed to move the ball and put themselves

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Speaker 2: That, and so that was a critical play in the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and the trouble the Ravens had in the

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Speaker 3: And that's honestly, like when you look at the offensive

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Speaker 3: thing for me will be to see in this game

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Speaker 3: coming up against the Cowboys. I mean, come on down,

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Speaker 3: another really talented pass rusher. You got Michael Parsons this week,

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Speaker 3: so it doesn't get any.

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Speaker 2: Easier, especially when you're talking about speed rushers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you go, Chris, you go, Chris Jones,

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby and now Michael Parsons. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 3: tough three game stretch to open the season. But when

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Speaker 3: you look at I'm just curious to see if the

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Speaker 3: Ravens mix in any rotations at any of the spots,

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Speaker 3: if we again see more of Roger rosen Garden. But

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Speaker 3: it's it's going to be tough sledding again, and this

448
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Speaker 3: offensive line is going to have to as a whole

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Speaker 3: elevate their play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, it's turning the page. One thing

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Speaker 1: that we a positive sign and really kind of a

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Speaker 1: this is the bummer of this game, among others, is

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Speaker 1: that right when the running game in Derrick Henry got rolling,

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Speaker 1: then the short circuit, right, they had to drive I say,

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Speaker 1: too dry. They the last desperation drive. But Derrick Henry's

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Speaker 1: rolling in the second half, in the third quarter, and

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Speaker 1: then in the fourth quarter. All right, first down five

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Speaker 1: yard picks up five yards? Uh, you know, you get

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Speaker 1: four yards on second down, you're facing a second or

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Speaker 1: third and one, you get a false start backs you up.

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Speaker 1: And then the next drive, as we talked about, got

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Speaker 1: short short circuit by the Max Crosby sack. Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: really changes your in time.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to run on second in nineteen, well you're.

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Speaker 1: I think they did. I think they ran a phil

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Speaker 1: but you're not running Derrick Henry, you know who.

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Speaker 2: It's not the physical Derek Henry experience. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so so anyway, right when Henry got rolling, they

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Speaker 1: kind of got forced out of that script, right, and

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Speaker 1: couldn't just lean on him in part because of his

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Speaker 1: own false start.

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Speaker 2: He's in part to blame for that. But let's just talk.

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Speaker 1: About how the Ravens got Derrick Henry rolling. Because you

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Speaker 1: know it was mixed results in Kansas City. I would

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Speaker 1: say it certainly wasn't a good first half of the

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Speaker 1: Ravens running game with only five carries. The big change

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Speaker 1: here is success on outside runs. That's how the Ravens

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Speaker 1: were able to get it done. Derrick Henry had nine

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Speaker 1: outside runs for sixty two yards. That's a six point

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Speaker 1: nine yards per carry average. On inside runs, he had

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Speaker 1: eight carries for nineteen yards, that's two point four. Look,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens have been talking about Derek Henry. You gotta

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Speaker 1: get him on a track, get him going downhill. The

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Speaker 1: question is how do you do it right? Because the

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Speaker 1: Ravens have some factors working in their favor in that

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Speaker 1: regard perimeter blocking and working against them in my eye

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Speaker 1: right and working for them. I think Isaiah Likely is

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Speaker 1: a good perimeter blocker. He's not going to be your end.

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Speaker 1: You know, your inline blocker, that's not Isaiah Likely. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we saw Max Crosby just go right across his face.

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Speaker 1: He timed Crosby time that one up well and just

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Speaker 1: shot right in the backfield stuff to a run for

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Speaker 1: no yardage or negative. That's not Isaiah Likely's game, right,

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Speaker 1: But get him out in space. I think he's good

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Speaker 1: at finding his target and he's physical, so that's in

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Speaker 1: their favor. Ronnie Stanley moving better healthy in their favor.

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Speaker 1: Roger Roseengarten, his best attribute is his mobility in.

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Speaker 2: Your favor, right.

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Speaker 1: I think Mark Andrews can be a proficient blocker, you know,

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Speaker 1: out in space and on the edge. Charlie Kohler is

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Speaker 1: working to improve in that regard and I think will

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Speaker 1: continue to do so he's you know, there's room to

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Speaker 1: grow there. The factors working against you is you look

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Speaker 1: at your starting wide receivers and rare shot. Bateman's not

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Speaker 1: exactly known for being a you know, really hard news

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Speaker 1: block shot. Bateman's point blank told me, I don't like

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Speaker 1: to get touched the line of scriptish part of that's

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Speaker 1: on his releases, but that's not his game. And Zay

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Speaker 1: Flowers is what five foot nine bucks seventy five right like, so.

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Speaker 2: That's not really his game, right.

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Speaker 1: So those are your challenges when it comes to getting

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry room to run out in space.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I don't know, I think that

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Speaker 3: generally speaking, this is like a great a grand generalizition.

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Speaker 3: Like receivers outside of like you know, Deebo Samuel, like

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Speaker 3: they're like receivers aren't necessarily known as like well great, great,

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Speaker 3: great blockers, Like that's not like their game.

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Speaker 2: And so like I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: Ravens fans aren't in the game of like they don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear the Miles Boake and Willie Sneaky Bottom

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Speaker 1: here because they're great blockers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, explanation of their game. They're not. They don't got

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Speaker 2: time for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, like I'm on a receiver that can block, especially

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Speaker 1: when you have a runner that excels on the perimeter.

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Speaker 3: I'm not as worried because I think that Derek Henry

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Speaker 3: can make guys that he can he can break tackles

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Speaker 3: there and if you hold him up enough, I think

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Speaker 3: that he can he can get on his track and

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Speaker 3: that's what makes it.

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Speaker 2: And that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened on his twenty nine yard run where

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Speaker 1: we saw his first stiff arm was that Zay Flowers

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Speaker 1: was in up had to throw a key block on

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Speaker 1: a Raiders' safety Marcus EPs and and he got enough

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Speaker 1: of them, right, did he was it a It wasn't

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Speaker 1: a pancake, yeah, you know, but he got enough of

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Speaker 1: them and held him up just long enough where Derrick

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Speaker 1: Henry could kind of get the guy tried to make

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Speaker 1: a diving arm tackle and Henry got through it. And

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Speaker 1: so like mission accomplished. If your a flowers on that play,

542
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Speaker 1: you're blocking his safety, that's that's not easy, right, And

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Speaker 1: he got it done, and and Kohler had a nice block.

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Speaker 1: Pat Ricard was able to get out and and kind

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Speaker 1: of run point and he turned the corner and opened

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Speaker 1: that lane for Derrick Henry, and Derrick Henry did the

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Speaker 1: rest right. That yard or that run, according to Next

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Speaker 1: Gen Stats, was expected to get seven yards. He got

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, right. So that's the Derrick Henry effect right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The other thing too, in terms of the inside runs.

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Speaker 3: It goes back to the conversation we were having about

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Speaker 3: the offensive line. I think an issue with the offensive

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Speaker 3: line comes down to the ability to pave the way

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Speaker 3: and the ground game. They're not getting enough push from

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Speaker 3: the interior of that offensive line to open up the

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Speaker 3: holes for a really potent inside run.

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Speaker 1: And it's not just push, it's just you know when

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Speaker 1: you're when you're getting beat on your edges and guys

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Speaker 1: are hitting gaps and getting into the backfield, it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So like what's going on with the inside

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Speaker 2: what's going on with the inside run game?

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Speaker 3: Well, the offensive line needs to get a better he

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Speaker 3: needs to do a better job cleaning the way there.

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Speaker 1: I mean Max Crosby hit Derrick Henry in the backfield

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Speaker 1: like the guy like it was Keaton Mitchell back there.

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Speaker 2: Uh right, I mean, like.

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry does not get blown backwards very often looking

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Speaker 1: like that. Max Crosby did that to him, and so

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Speaker 1: that is not You also can't just run the ball

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Speaker 1: on the perimeter. You have to have an inside run threat.

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Speaker 1: Justice Hill is not really known for being a between

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Speaker 1: the tackles runner, and so Derek Henry's your hammer, but

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Speaker 1: he can't hammer people when he's getting hit in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: it comes back to what we started the film conversation

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Speaker 3: with in that offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yep, all right, so let's take a break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna flip it over the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball and talk to you about

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Speaker 1: what we saw in terms of the Ravens pass defense

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Speaker 1: and their front four and pass rush.

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Speaker 3: Ravens defense, you know, we've spent a lot of time

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Speaker 3: talking about how we feel like it's going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the best in football.

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Speaker 2: You know, they gave up a.

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Speaker 3: Lot through the air in this game. They shut down

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Speaker 3: the running attack and you know the old adage of football,

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Speaker 3: stopped the run and make them one dimensional and it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a tough sliding for an offense. Well,

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Speaker 3: the Ravens did the first part of that. But then

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Speaker 3: the Raiders were able to have success late in this game,

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Speaker 3: and it was basically the DeVante Adams brock Bauer show.

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Speaker 3: That was their offense. Is Gardner Minshew making plays to

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Speaker 3: DeVante Adams and brock Bowers, and the Ravens had trouble

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Speaker 3: stopping both those guys.

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Speaker 1: Yep I think on a number of these you have

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Speaker 1: to tip your cap. And I know that that's not

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Speaker 1: the answer that Ravens fans are necessarily going to be

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Speaker 1: looking for.

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Speaker 2: You're looking for the scapegoat and what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Right, And the Ravens have given up a high completion

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Speaker 1: percentage through two games. Part of that is because A,

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Speaker 1: you faced maybe the best quarterback in the NFL and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes in Week one, so he's generally you're not

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Speaker 1: going to keep him to a low completion percentage.

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Speaker 2: And then b.

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams just showed why he's one of the best.

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Speaker 1: And I thought that Gardner Minshew played a very good game.

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Speaker 1: And so I'll point out a couple of plays here.

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Speaker 1: Won the DeVante Adams toad drag play that John Harball

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Speaker 1: challenge wasn't overturned that had a six point one percent

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Speaker 1: completion probability according to Next Gen Stats.

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Speaker 2: Six point one percent.

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Speaker 1: That is by far the lowest catch probability of any

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Speaker 1: reception this season made by any receiver that he made,

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Speaker 1: and it would have been the third lowest of all

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Speaker 1: of last year. Right, pretty spectacular catch, yeap that you

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Speaker 1: tip your Capital.

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Speaker 2: Hall of Tame player making a Hall of Tame play.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: I thought that the throw on another long completion Davante

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Speaker 1: Adams down the left sideline versus Brandon Stevens was just

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Speaker 1: a great throw. Dropped it in a bucket over the shoulder,

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams, perfect catch.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Stevens couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Have had much better coverage on that one, you know,

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Speaker 1: the one the pass interference that was such a crucial call,

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Speaker 1: you know. John Harball was asked about the pennies and

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Speaker 1: specifically about the pass interference calls. He said that he

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Speaker 1: didn't really have any coaching points on him Marlon Humphrey

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Speaker 1: pass interference earlier in the game, which played a large

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Speaker 1: part in setting up a Raiders field goal. He had

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Speaker 1: more notes on the second one. That's that's led to

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Speaker 1: more controversy because of the time, the point of the

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Speaker 1: game in which it was called, yeah and put.

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Speaker 2: The ball the one yard line, lights to a touch

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Speaker 2: on the next flat.

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Speaker 1: Exactly huge call, right. Harbes actually felt like the other

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Speaker 1: call was worse than that one, and I agree. Brandon

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Speaker 1: Stevens did not play that as with perfect technique.

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Speaker 2: He got us.

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Speaker 1: He put his hands on him, you know, and if

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Speaker 1: he had gotten his head turned around, box him out looked,

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Speaker 1: and now maybe DeVante Adams pushes him off and makes

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Speaker 1: that catch. I don't know, but you know, to Harbes's point,

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Speaker 1: that was not there are some coaching points there for

655
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: Brandon Stevens who got a little gravy at the top

656
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: of that route.

657
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: Look, I know a lot of Ravestans are mad about

658
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: that flag being thrown.

659
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: Personally, I like, I felt like it was one that

660
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: could have gone either way, and I it did not

661
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: surprise me the flag was thrown there, especially considering a

662
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: Savante Adams, and he did a good job selling it,

663
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: which is what a veteran receiver does in that situation.

664
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: They sell it and brand Steve has knocked the ball down,

665
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: so like you give him credit for that. It's not

666
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: like he just had his head turned to the ball

667
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: the entire time. He turned his head and knocked the

668
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: ball down, But there was there was a lot of

669
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: contact there, and so I just think in that situation,

670
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: they're they're they're just when there's that much contact and

671
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: it's against a Hall of Fame receiver, you're probably gonna

672
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: get flagged.

673
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Speaker 2: M M yep.

674
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Speaker 1: So you know I'm not I'm not gonna sit here

675
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: and push the panic button on the secondary.

676
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: I think. Also, let's not forget Nate Wiggins.

677
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't in that game. That's a very talented player for

678
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens. You know, he had a neck injury. He

679
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: was in a car accident last week, had a necker injury,

680
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: and then concussion was added actually to the injury port

681
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: on Friday for him. And so John Harball said on

682
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Monday that he's hopeful that Nate Wiggins can return to

683
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: practice this week, but we'll see him back on the field.

684
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: Would would be really good.

685
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think Marlon Humphrey's taken some heat

686
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: after this game watching it, I don't think that it

687
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: was like that Marlon had a really poor game in

688
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: this game.

689
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: He did.

690
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: He also had a pick, which I feel like everyone's

691
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: kind of forgotten now that pick was thrown right to him,

692
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: but like he was, he had had to.

693
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Turn and kind of I don't know, I call it

694
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: a diving pick, but yeah, he had to make the play.

695
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: We've seen Marlow drop those, all right, so give him

696
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: the credit for the one that he made.

697
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that was a he had a pick

698
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: in the game. So, like I feel like that's kind

699
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: of getting glossed over.

700
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: Ye, I think that. Yeah, I mean he gave up

701
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: some passes late in the game.

702
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: He gave up the play the pass over the middle

703
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: that basically he was in tight coverage, but he gave

704
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: up the pass over the middle that ultimately set up the.

705
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: Game winning field goal.

706
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: So it's late in that game where you know that

707
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: passes completed right in his direction.

708
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: Again, tight coverage. That was really tight coverage.

709
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: That was again another example I think of good throw,

710
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: great catch. I mean, brock Bowers had himself a game.

711
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: That's a really good player and he made some plays.

712
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

713
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Speaker 1: I mean Marlon was also in coverage on the touchdown

714
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: their their game tying touchdown. Yeah, that was I saw

715
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: a good film breakdown of that.

716
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: Was the formation the Raiders were in.

717
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: Screamed run based on a fourth down play from the

718
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: week before against the Chargers, that exact formation, same motion.

719
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: They ran the ball, the Charger stuff in the backfield

720
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: for a loss the Raider the Ravens. It was the

721
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: same formation, same motion, brock Bowers in the backfield, I

722
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: think it was Mayor actually in the backfield, Ravens went heavy.

723
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: They it was clear they said, we recognize this. This

724
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: is a run they sold out on the run the Raiders. Really,

725
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew sold that run fake really well. Marlon was

726
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: caught a little f footed. When you watch the tape

727
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 1: on that he had his eyes inside now he still

728
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: had an inside track on Davante Adams. DeVante Adams asked

729
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: the game, said that a play. Actually, that route wasn't

730
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: the route he was supposed to run. I think he

731
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: was supposed to just run a little slant in front

732
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: of Marlon's face and get that ball. He had to

733
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: go around outside of him. Marlin kind of recovered, but

734
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: not fast enough.

735
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think to me it was not like I

736
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: don't think it was a great game for Marlin, but

737
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: I also don't think it's like fair escape good him,

738
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: which is exactly so, like it was kind of a

739
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: middle of.

740
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: The road game for him.

741
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: He has some highes and has some lows, but he's

742
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: I do think a little too much of the fingers

743
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: just getting pointed into his dirreuction.

744
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: Or an earlier Raiders touchdown that was set up by

745
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: a twenty plus yard completion of Brock Bowers over the

746
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: middle of the field. Gardner Minshew's buying time, buying time,

747
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: buying time. Brock Bauers breaks off his route and came

748
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: right across Marcus Williams's face to make a pretty tough play.

749
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Marcus was bodying him up, cutting off one the right

750
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: side of the field and brock Bawers just came across,

751
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: made that catch, and then Marcus Williams had trouble getting

752
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: him down to the turf, ended up getting them down

753
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: to the one Madison punched in from there. That was

754
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: another pretty key play, which you know, in one respect,

755
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: brock Bauers just beat Marcus Williams on that play, right,

756
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: and so you want to win more of those. I

757
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: thought it was a good play by Bowers, but you

758
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: got to win some of those one on ones and

759
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: covers two.

760
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: So the other area of the pass defense that I

762
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: want to look at is the past rush because this,

763
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: to me was one of the one of the high

764
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: points of the game. And I said this in our

765
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: podcast right after the game. It's a little disappointing because

766
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: a Dafeoway has his first multi SAT game two and

767
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: a half sacks and forced funwell, just so disruptive and

768
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: you really can't even celebrate it that much because.

769
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 2: Because of the result. But that's celebrated a little bit because,

770
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: oh it was great. He was great.

771
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: Like, all right, the chiefs man forced fumble, you know,

772
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: on Roger Rosegarden's first snap, of course it bounces to him.

773
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't even think the Rams had a chance to

774
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: recover that fall, but that thing bounced right into their

775
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: offensive line.

776
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean, golly day, first play. How nice would have

777
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 2: been to recover that fumble. That would have been nice.

778
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: That would have been very nice. Just not getting the bounces.

779
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: What could what could have been? But he was great.

780
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: And Kyle van Noy, who I think surprised a lot

781
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: of people by even playing the game with the fractural

782
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: orbital bone, comes up with.

783
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: The paarasacks, so you have. I just thought those two

784
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 2: guys deserve.

785
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: A ton of credit and we should not overlook the

786
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 3: production and those plays from them.

787
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I agree the trend here for me, and this is

788
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: now a two game trend. We have back to back games.

789
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: That means a trend. Garrett is the front four. I

790
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: think the Ravens defensive front is getting the job done

791
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: so far, and it's a good sign for things moving forward,

792
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: you know. Travis Jones monster Monster. There's one play on

793
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: his tackle for loss where he just comes. He clubs

794
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: the Raiders left guard kind of in his should order

795
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: that area.

796
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: Staggers him.

797
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like Mike Tyson through a roundhouse

798
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: and the dudes wobbling. I mean, Staggers is the guy.

799
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Travis Jones has some major power in those hands and

800
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: and then makes a tackle for loss. I mean, he

801
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: and Justin are nom the I'm sorry, nom the Matabike.

802
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: I think that when all is said and done this year,

803
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna be talking about them as maybe the best

804
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: tandem on the in the defense, on the defensive line,

805
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: like de tackles the end tandem in the league.

806
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: I think that that's totally fair and I think that

807
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: they deserve that type of conversation around the Madabek is awesome. Yeah,

808
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 3: Travis show has been great too, But I think that

809
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 3: I think that that could definitely be a talking point.

810
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Mattabike's he's getting pressure h for sure.

811
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's had some penalties. You know, he

812
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: hit Homes in the head that that was a tough penalty.

813
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: Then he had we.

814
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 3: Got the face mass penalty in this game. Which was

815
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: it was not It was not a face mask. He

816
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 3: didn't touch him in the face mask.

817
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now he certainly didn't grasp him by the face mask. Yeah,

818
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: certainly did his arm brush his. He certainly did not.

819
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: Grasp him by the face mask.

820
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

821
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: It should not have been a face mask penalty. He

822
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: should not have been a face mask on him.

823
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: But he so.

824
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: But he's still disruptive.

825
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: And I think he's going to have the two and

826
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: a half set game for for Nomatica's coming.

827
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's one hundred sent Comana got his this.

828
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: Game, and Matty b is going to have plenty of those. Uh,

829
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: maybe not plenty of that might be overstanding it a bit,

830
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: but he's going to have He's going to have a

831
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: couple of multi set games this year.

832
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of few double doesn't double dozen.

833
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: You're kind of really searching for how many? How many?

834
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: How many am I going to say here?

835
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: But but I mean it's it's a really good sign

836
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: for this front Foard not only van Ney getting the

837
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: two sacks and orbital boon aside. You know, he talked

838
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: a lot this all season about hey, they've put me

839
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: in a position here and it's a really I love

840
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: this that I get to focus on just getting the

841
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: quarterback right, Like, I'm not playing all this this kind

842
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: of inside linebacker slash hybrid linebacker, dropping the covers, doing

843
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: all this stuff. I get to focus on getting after

844
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback and what can I do with that? Like

845
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: there were a lot of questions last year he had

846
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: a career high in sacks with nine and could you

847
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: repeat that, like was that a flash in a pan?

848
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: Was that an anomaly? Well he's on pace for more.

849
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 1: Than that, yeah, right, And so I think a really

850
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: good sign for Kyle Vinnoy that last year was not

851
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: a fluke.

852
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that like in this role he can thrive.

853
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: And I think on a Dafes first sack that we

854
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: were talking about, I mean he was in the backfield

855
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: in no time. You look at the next gen stats

856
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: on that, it's impressive how quickly he closed on that.

857
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is he still hesitated for a

858
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: fraction of a second because it was almost like he's like,

859
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: this is a wide open shot.

860
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to miss this. He was going to

861
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: be ram him down. Yes, he made sure of it.

862
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: And so yeah, he is playing at a really high level,

863
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: which the Ravens were banking on this year, right, That's

864
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: why they picked up that fifth year option, and the

865
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: breakout looks real for him.

866
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Eric DaCosta said right before the season they

867
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: felt like, based on how a da Fe was going

868
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: to play this year, that that decision to pick up

869
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: the fifth year option was going to look really smart.

870
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: And through two games, I think that's the case.

871
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: Ye.

872
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: All right, So let's I want to read a couple

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Speaker 3: of quick emails here as we wrap up, because we

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Speaker 3: got a number of them. As always, you can email

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Speaker 3: us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net.

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Speaker 3: First one from Ivan who says, uh, this is a

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Speaker 3: forgettable gameque the talking head saying, oh, everyone's figured out

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Speaker 3: Lamar and the Ravens or something like that, because that's

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Speaker 3: what they always do. The Ravens have been discovered. Blah

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00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. We're two games into the season.

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Speaker 3: But the three of us are smarter than buying into

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Speaker 3: that narrative.

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Speaker 1: So he basically, I appreciate the credit for being smart. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't get that often.

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Speaker 3: It's rare. That's why I want to read the email.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure that we had that on

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Speaker 3: the record. Another email here said, hey, fellas not an

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Speaker 3: easy one to watch today at all. But that being said,

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Speaker 3: I think the Ravens will rebound a lot to like

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Speaker 3: in what we saw, even though it was an ugly,

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Speaker 3: ugly loss. That was from Patrick Kuhn, who they also

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Speaker 3: detailed a number of the things that we just talked about,

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Speaker 3: specifically some of the guys on defense like Oa and

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Speaker 3: van Ney who had great games. Then one question here

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Speaker 3: that I want to read this is from John who

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Speaker 3: says last year there was a narrative going around about

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Speaker 3: how Lamar was locked into winning the Super Bowl. This year,

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard as much of that as there any

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Speaker 3: vibe shift or has the media narrative changed.

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Speaker 2: Asking if Lamar is locked out?

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Speaker 3: You know honestly, like I would say this, I think one,

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Speaker 3: if you didn't look at it, if I didn't watch

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00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: it or listen to it, go back and check out

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Speaker 3: the podcast we had with Lamar before the season where

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Speaker 3: he joined us, and I think you'll get a real

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Speaker 3: sense from that that he is maybe even more committed, focused,

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Speaker 3: locked in whatever like adjective you want to use. And

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Speaker 3: Eric the Kasa also said, like it's gone to an

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Speaker 3: even greater level, to the point where during training camp

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Speaker 3: they were meeting in his office to talk personnel and

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Speaker 3: things big picture things are about this team, Like the

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Speaker 3: Ravens feel like Lamar is completely locked in. Maybe there's

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Speaker 3: maybe to John's email, maybe he hasn't heard as much

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Speaker 3: of the conversation, but I can tell you that there

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Speaker 3: is no wavering on that front from Lamar. It's even

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Speaker 3: gone to another level.

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Speaker 1: I thought there's a lot of conversation actually about that

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Speaker 1: before the Chiefs game. You know that Lamar's desire to

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Speaker 1: get over the home and win a Super Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: I'll make this point also as we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: film and whatnot, and John Harball reiterated this on podium.

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Speaker 2: The Ravens problem is not Lamar Jacks. No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: And when your.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback is playing at a high level that counts for

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Speaker 1: a lot, that means a lot means generally you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, right, And so as we close out

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Speaker 1: this pod, and and if you're looking for some optimism

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your week, as the Ravens get

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Speaker 1: ready for the Dallas Cowboys, there are a number of

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Speaker 1: them which Garrett is going to spell out on Final

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Speaker 1: Drive five reasons for optimism, and one of them is

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Speaker 1: that your quarterback is playing at a really high level,

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Speaker 1: and that's the biggest one. So I think that's a

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Speaker 1: very good sign for this team's ability to turn things around.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 3: As always, you can email us with the Lounge at

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Speaker 3: Ravens NFL dot net let us know any questions thoughts

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Speaker 3: that you have about this team. As always, make sure

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Speaker 3: you hit that subscribe button and subscribe to the Ravens

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00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 3: Presspass podcast as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening. We'll be back with you again

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Speaker 2: later this week.