1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Ron and any and the bug will drive off into 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: the sunset after this generation with no replacement in site. Uh, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: can I get a name, man and hallelujah the car Doctor. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: I think we've got a checklist of the possible things 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: that could be wrong with your car. The last time 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: I look, I think it was a hundred and eighteen 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: different things to test impossible scenarios. Welcome to the radio 8 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor. Since this 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six and 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: now he running. Hey, it's time to start your engines 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: alone and welcome Nan the car Doctor here at eight 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero zero, here to take your calls 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: and answer your questions. Whatever you've got going on, fender 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: defender and door to door, let's talk about it up 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: your own radio and let's fix that car. Let's kick 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: the garage doors open right away. I understand the phone 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: lines are backed up again, but I'll tell you what 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: I gotta take more weeks off. It's um, we're just 23 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: backed up there out on the curb now and they're 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: just scrambling to get into the waiting room. Let's go 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: over and talk to Frank in New Mexico Olds six old, Cutless, 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Supreme and a hydrocarbon problem. Frank, welcome to the car doctor. 27 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: How can I help? Oh? Yeah, great, last admissions test 28 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Uh, eight c was high 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: when two hundred it's usually at fifty. Car has always 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: run super clean. I'm wondering, did I not run that 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: car long enough to heat up the cat? Uh? Maybe 32 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: my oil dirty? Wol. I'm gonna change the oil, take 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: the oil filter, I get a free retist. I'm just 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: wondering which way to go here. Well, how long has 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: it been since the oil was changed? Uh? Just under 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: sevent you know, and and and time wise, three or 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: four months, five months? Five months? Yeah? No, I don't 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's oil. The it might be contaminated, 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: you know, hydrocarbons. Let's establish a baseline. Hydrocarbons are raw fuel, 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: all right. If you took the emissions probe and put 41 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: it over the top of a gas can with the 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: lid off, you would register hydrocarbons. Gasoline by nature gives 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: off a hydrocarbon um. You know, it gives all hydrocarbons 44 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: as as as part of its chemical makeup. UM. Carbon 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: monoxide is a result of combustion. So hydrocarbons are the 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: result of just by virtue, it's just it's just running 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: rich it's it's it's it's it's not burning the fuel 48 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: in complete combustion, and the molecules aren't going through their 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: exchange and transformation inside the engine from hydrocarbons and the 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: carbon monoxide, and then the catalytic convert doesn't do a 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: job without trying not to turn this into a chemistry 52 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: class to my oil, my excuse me, my air filter 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: have been not allowing any path. Not likely, um, not 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: likely if it was you know if if if it's, 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: if it's an air filter explained to me, Then the 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: theory how it would affect hydrocarbons but not affect carbon 57 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: monoxide or some other component of the emissions test. If 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: it affects one, it's got to affect them all. So 59 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: that being said, I would think about on an eight 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: six cutlass, what was common? Is this a front or 61 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: rear wheel drive car. This is a this is a 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: rear wheel drive car. Which engine is this? Three oh 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: seven V eight? Okay, take all right, take off the 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: air cleaner, and in front of the carburetor, there's going 65 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: to be a round black charcoal canister purge valve. Alright, 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna have a heavy vacuum hose going to it, 67 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: and I believe too smaller diameter vacuum hoses going to it. 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: That diaphragm always ruptured, and it would it would cause 69 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: the vehicle to draw raw fuel right out of the 70 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: tank and do just what you're describing. Just an idol, 71 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: just just an idol. And the reason is because you've 72 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: probably caught it early enough in that you know, at 73 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: higher speed the engine is able to process more fuel 74 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: and hide some things. Yeah, you'll see it, you'll see it. 75 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: There's I'm trying to think the best way to describe it. 76 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: It's it's probably an engine diameter an inch by a 77 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: half inch wide. It's a it's a round black plastic puck, 78 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: looks like a hockey puck with three nipples on it. 79 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: All right, if memories, Yeah, it's it's or it's you 80 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: may be you may be able to even see it 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: without taking the air cleaner off. It depended upon where 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: GM put them. But there was a heavy black vacuum 83 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: mose going to it. And the idea is, if you 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: take off the smaller hose, take off any of the 85 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: hoses in their fuel there. But if I remember right, 86 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: we took off one of the controls the control side. 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: It was a smaller, smaller diameter hose and there was 88 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: fuel out of that smaller diameter. That means the line 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: the diaphragm had ruptured inside and it was drawing fuel 90 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: out of the tank up the purge side and coming 91 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: out the control side and being fed into the engine. Um. Now, 92 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: if that's not the case, if that has not failed 93 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: all right, then I would start to think where else 94 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: can the engine draw raw hydrocarbons? If the engines running smooth, 95 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: if there's no misfire, and we're you know, we're assuming 96 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: no mechanical issues, nothing along those lines, we have to 97 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: look for an outside fuel source passing through the engine 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: that the engine can't compensate and burn at idle, right, 99 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: So we have to think about an outside fuel source. Listen, 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: back in the day, I would see mechanical fuel pumps 101 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: fail and dump fuel into the crank case, enriched the oil, 102 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: pick it up through the PCV valve and cause vehicles 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: to fail emissions. So there's a lot of things to 104 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: think about here. Yeah, all right, all right, so let's 105 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: start taking a look around and put our thinking cap on. 106 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: But uh, let's be scientific about it. You call me 107 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: next week, let me know what happens. Frank, Thank you, 108 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: you're very welcome, sir. Let's go and talk to jeff 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: Northern Minnesota series Chevy pick him up truck. What's going on, Jeffrey? 110 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: I run great to talk to you. Thank you for 111 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: taking the call. You're welcome. How can I help you? 112 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: Could I make one quick comment When you were talking 113 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: about self driving cars and kids that might not want 114 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: to drive, I think the reason that they don't want 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: to drive so much is said they're too busy already. 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: Well I see a lot of cars self driving every day. 117 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: Well that's true. You know, self driving cars really aren't new. 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: It's just now we're gonna actually take the driver out 119 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: from behind the wheel. So I think in some cases 120 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: that might be a good idea. But anyhow, back to 121 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: the Chevy. I've had two of these trucks. This is 122 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: my previous truck with the ninety EAT. I've had some 123 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: erratic steering issues with both of them, and I changed 124 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the UH steering speed sensor at the base of the 125 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: steering column and got got rid of the erratic steering. 126 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: But what I'm finding now is UH. Most of the 127 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: winter I carry a six D pund snow plow and 128 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: the truck steers just fine. But after taking the plow off, 129 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: now it seems like it's too sensitive. Assists too much, right, 130 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: It's it's too sensitive. Yeah, I have no feel on 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: the wheel. And I've been told that the power string 132 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: system is two stage where you get more assists at 133 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: low speed and then less so you've got some feel 134 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: at higher speed. But I'm not getting that right. Well, 135 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: let me let me let me tell you what happened 136 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: back in nineties seven. My friend Mike went from his 137 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: ninety four suburban to a ninety seven suburban. Seven, as 138 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I recall, was the first year for variable assisted power steering, 139 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and it was terrible. It was an absolute nightmare, and 140 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: we we ended up going through that system forwards and backwards, 141 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: never found a fix for it. I know exactly what 142 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: you're talking about it's you're you're you're driving down the 143 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: road and if you breathe on the steering wheel to 144 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: the left, you're in the left lane. Yeah, you're always overcompensating. 145 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: So what we ended up doing back in the day 146 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: was because I think, if you disconnect the censor, the 147 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: censors in the back of the pump right remembers. Yeah, 148 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: it's starting to come back to me all the horrible details. 149 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: And I think, if you disconnect the censor, what happened 150 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: when we disconnected the censor, I still have too, m 151 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: That's what I think happened. I think what we ended 152 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: up doing as extreme as it seems, and we did 153 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: this on it. We did this on a four thousand 154 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: mile brand new vehicle. We we purchased I think a 155 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: nineties six I think it was Mike's truck. We purchased 156 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: for nineties six, which was the last year of non 157 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: variable assist power steering. We purchased a pump, the lines 158 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: and the box and that that truck rode great. That 159 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: truck rode like a like a like a vehicle supposed to. 160 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: And we never looked back. And that was the fixed 161 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: back then, And that was twenty one years ago. That 162 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: switch on the poor string pump. Is that UM pressure sensitive? Yes? 163 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: If memory serves me, correct that as a pressure sensitive switch. Um, 164 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: and it is, it is, it is the computer is 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: being that the computer is applying assist based on the 166 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: signal that it receives from that. See this one we 167 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: started a couple of months ago, and I had a 168 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: slate pour steering leak. I haven't put food in this 169 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: thing for four years. One morning here about a month ago, 170 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: the pump grold, so I put fluid in it. And 171 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering at that point some damage could have been 172 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: done to that pressure switch, and it may be changing. 173 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: That switch could be a fixed. Well, the problem as 174 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: we're dealing with twenty one year old technology and there's 175 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 1: no way to test that, you know, And you know, 176 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta look at it as if there's no 177 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: way to test something, and if it's fifty bucks or less, 178 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: that's your test. Of course, that doesn't that doesn't mean 179 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: that the new one is gonna be any better. But 180 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna get a you know, you're gonna become the 181 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: expert on steering, you know, and that's and that becomes 182 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: a costly endeavor. Now, let me let me just finish 183 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: with this. Let's be let's be sure that the steering 184 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: intermediate shift is not a problem. Also it detracts straight. 185 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: I don't have any wonder an No, you won't have 186 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: you won't have tracking issues. There's a there's a you 187 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: joint at the at the bottom of that shaft where 188 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: it couples to the box. Correct. Uh. I can't tell 189 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: you exactly what I'm trying to remember, because if there is, 190 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: if there's a you joint down there, let's pop that 191 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: off the box and make sure that it flexes in 192 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: both directions that it has to all that it has 193 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: three six degree ease of movement, all right, Uh, you know, 194 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: because that could have rusted up, especially if you're snow plowing. 195 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I have my two thousand 196 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: eight plow truck. I was done putting the trans in 197 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 1: the suburban. Finally I decided to drive the suburban for 198 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: a while. I parked the plow truck for four days, 199 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: got back in it. Steering wheel was overly sensitive. I 200 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: couldn't compensate, I couldn't steer. The joint finally rusted from 201 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: sitting for four days and lack of use, so the 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: weirdest things happened. And you know, I I basically popped 203 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: the shaft off at the box, tried flexing it in 204 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: both directions, and it was jammed in one direction and 205 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: moved freely in the other. I put a shaft in it. 206 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: The truck was fixed. So all right, sir, thank you much. 207 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You let me know what happens. I'm curious, 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: so stay staying tough, Jeffrey, You're very welcome. Five zero 209 00:11:50,200 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: running Indian card doctor coming back right after this for 210 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: the best in car advice. Give Ron a call eight 211 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: by five five zero nine nine zero zero now back torn. Hey, 212 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: let's get on over and talk to Dave Springfield, Illinois. Dave, 213 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: welcome to the car Doctor. How can I help? Yeah, 214 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: good afternoon. I had a question about car computers. Can 215 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: all of the various car computers in an all be 216 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: manipulated via satellite? I'm gonna say probably, If not on 217 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: current models, I'm sure in the future because that's where 218 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: it's going. Telematics and the ability for the manufacturers to 219 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: reach in and look at information and you know, decide 220 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: does the vehicle is the vehicle do for service and 221 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: maintenance and I know some car companies are doing that already. 222 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: The issues get into and what's held it up our 223 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: privacy laws and big brother reaching in. UM. I attended 224 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: a seminar back in the spring. I guess, so it's 225 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: a year ago now. Um, we're we talked about that 226 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: there are devices ready to go on to cars giving 227 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: them the ability to tell, you know, in the event 228 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: of an accident. Besides just was the seatbelt buckled, were 229 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: you on the phone, were you paying attention? What was 230 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: the weight of how you know, how is your weight? 231 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: Positions on the seat? Did it seemed like you were 232 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: you know, forward, back, dozing off? Where was your head? 233 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're able to tell all these things, 234 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of the issues become privacy there. You know, 235 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: it's it's big brother, it's George Orwell all over again. 236 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: And I think once they get past that, once they 237 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: figure out how to make money off of it, they 238 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: will UM and I have an O six g MC Savannah, 239 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: Nah not not in that technology is not there, you know, 240 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: but I will tell you this. Automobiles are being looked at, 241 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: and this is one of the things they talked about 242 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: in the seminar. A lot of what we do in 243 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: an automobile, like the newer cars, the nected cars, where 244 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, the radio stations come down out of the 245 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: cloud and you know, we can do all these wonderful 246 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: things a connected car by virtue of what it is. 247 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: You know that the information comes this way, but it 248 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: also goes that way. And there are companies out there 249 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: that are lobbying for the right to turn the connected 250 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: car that car that can you know, self drive but 251 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: allow you sometimes to drive, and and some of the 252 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: other things that they do. They they're looking at cars 253 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: as a data mind, meaning they're gonna figure out that 254 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: when you wear your your your red dress and your 255 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: pink pocketbook, that that's the day you go to the 256 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: park and have the roast beef sandwich. And on Thursdays, 257 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: when you wear the great coat and the purple shoes, 258 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: that's the day you go to the supermarket. And they're 259 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: gonna figure out how that affects you, you know, and choices, 260 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna be marketed that way as an individual, 261 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: perhaps in your Google ads and perhaps you know when 262 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: you open your browser, and I know it sounds very 263 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: off the wall. I was stunned when I heard all this, 264 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: but cars are being looked at as a data mind. 265 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: It's an information of the characteristics and the operating persona 266 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: of the owner. And there are companies out there that 267 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: want to take that information and use it to make money. 268 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: Mark my words. It's going to happen. But you don't. 269 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: You don't think that. Not yet, not yet, No sir, 270 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: not yet. Um so keep the other keep I was 271 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: thinking about um computer control for operation of the vehicle. No, no, 272 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: not yet now, not on yours. Now. If you want 273 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: to see something absolutely frightening, and I've talked about this before, 274 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: go to YouTube and search for Jeep Grand Cherokee Hack 275 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: and watch what happens. And there's a video there about 276 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: two guys that literally take over a late model Jeep 277 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: and steer it, stop it accelerated, caused the breaks to fail. 278 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they take over the car to the to 279 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: the point that the federal government got involved, and they said, 280 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: and the concern right now is that if the wrong people, 281 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: and we all know who the wrong people are getting 282 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: involved all of a sudden, you don't have to do 283 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: it too A million cars. Could you imagine a hundred 284 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: cars across the country in various cities being controlled by 285 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: the wrong guys, and and and and and you want 286 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: to talk about what the next terrorist attack is gonna be. Yeah, yeah, 287 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: how you're gonna stop a rampaging automobile. The car manufacturers 288 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: and Chrysler's leading the pack because they've been required to 289 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: by the federal government. Chrysler's the And this is an 290 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: interesting question because nobody seems to know the answer. But 291 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: beginning model year twenty seventeen and eighteen eighteen, maybe it 292 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: is nobody's SEMs to have scan tool software to get 293 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: into a Chrysler and other than the manufacturer. And the 294 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: reason is is because for me to plug into a 295 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: brand new Chrysler, my scan tool has to talk this 296 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: way to the car and that way to the cloud. 297 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: And it has it is the go between. It is 298 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: the handshake between the car and the cloud. And they 299 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: both have to exchange security codes so that they know 300 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: it's really somebody trying to work on the car and 301 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: not somebody trying to hack the car. And and and 302 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: the cost to do that is exorbitant. You're gonna see 303 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: in the next three years scan tools as we know it, 304 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: where it's you know, walk up, plug up, go up 305 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: to the car. On newer cars, it's gonna disappear. Everything's 306 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna be cloud based because they can control security from 307 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: that so much better and so much easier. Can of 308 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: computer to be shielded like with lead foil or something 309 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: like that to deny access. Not to my knowledge, only 310 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: in Superman comics, but you know in the real world now, 311 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: uh um, you know. And I say that sort of 312 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, but that's that's the reality of it. 313 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: They believe me. We've created a situation where if they 314 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: want in, they're getting in, and there isn't anything we 315 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: can do about it. Uh short of driving an older 316 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: car with no controls on it, and you know, try 317 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: getting parts for the older cars. Trust me, you're gonna 318 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: say it. Cars are really a m They're part of 319 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: national security right now and you're gonna see the changes 320 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: coming forth in the next couple of years. Hey five 321 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: five zero nine zero, appreciate the call of Dave. I'm 322 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: running any of the Car Doctor. I'm back right after this. 323 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back right in the end of the Car Doctor. 324 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com by the way for more 325 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: information and podcasting. Let's get over and talk to Jonathan 326 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: and Blocks in Mississippi six. Christ there, Hey Jonathan, welcome 327 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: to the car doctor. How can happen? Yes? Yeah, from spine. 328 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: The only problem is occasionally underload, Um, I'll get a 329 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: really hearty fucking hesitation like you're It's almost like somebody's 330 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: pulling on the back of the car trying to silver Town. 331 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: It it goes on three or four times and it'll stop, 332 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: and it doesn't happen every single time. That doesn't The 333 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: fuel filter on this car has never been changed. Would 334 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: that would that help me thing at all to change 335 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: the fuel filter in this car? You know, if the 336 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: fuel filter has never been changed, twenty two is in nineties, 337 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: it's twenty two years old. Listen, you know what this 338 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: could be a combination of things. There's no rule that 339 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: says it's only one thing. Uh. You know, I would 340 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: love to see a scan tool on here looking at 341 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: fuel trim when the problem happens. You know, keep in mind, 342 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: if you're pushing that fuel pump is pushing against a 343 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: plug fuel filter, and you know fuel fuel pumps are 344 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: like Congress. They just plow ahead without any understanding of 345 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: the consequences. And if the fuel filters plugged in, absolutely, 346 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: but you know, you could take the fuel filter off, 347 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: try to blow through it. If you can't blow through it, 348 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: it's plug, put a new fuel filter on it, and 349 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: still have the exact same problem. Uh. You know, maintenance 350 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: or lack of maintenance only compounds an issue with a 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: vehicle and trying to diagnose and understand it, and it 352 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: doesn't do it any good. So yeah, by all means, 353 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: if if the fuel filter hasn't been done, what's the 354 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: rest of the ignition system like? Has it ever had 355 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: basic maintenance as far as tune ups, uh, spark plugs, wires. 356 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: That car should have a cap and rotor on it, 357 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 1: although caps and rotors aren't commonly to fail. But what 358 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: does the rest of it look like under the hood? Um, 359 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: start with basics. Let's let's do this, Jonathan, start with basics. 360 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: Call me back next week, let me know what happens, 361 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: let me know what the fuel filter is like, and 362 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: if you can indeed still get still get it off 363 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: because I bet those clamps are frozen on there. Let's 364 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: go over to Marty in New Orleans, OH one kia 365 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: and some questions with the alternator. Marty, Welcome to the 366 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir, How can I help hi? Y Um. 367 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: The alternator in the past months started squeaking when I 368 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: started it up the car up, and it'll stop when 369 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: I get like maybe the five ten, and I stopped, 370 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, and do the same thing again when I 371 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: stopped and started. When I start in the car, also 372 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: it'll do it. But lately the past maybe five days, 373 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: it hasn't been doing it. And then today I did 374 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: it a little bit and now I'm just running what's 375 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: going on? If you might have some inside what what 376 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: what makes you think it's the alternator? Morning? Well, I 377 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: kind of got in there and look at it, and um, 378 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to do by myself. But when 379 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: I started up and it was squeaking and I would 380 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: stick under the hood, and it sounds like it's coming 381 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: from an alternator, you think it might be possibly be 382 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: something else. I should maybe look, But I'm just you know, 383 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm just curious how we came to that, because you know, 384 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: human emotion can guide diagnosis, and you know, if we're emotional. 385 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but just you know, 386 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: tell me how you did it. Prove it to me. 387 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: You know, It's like when somebody when of my mechanics says, 388 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: well to this, okay, prove it to me. What makes 389 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: you think it's that? Um? You know? Um? I think 390 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: or it does or it sounds like. Isn't I tested it, 391 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: I touched it, I listened to it. You know it's 392 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: it's one's emotion. One is a scientific explanation of it. 393 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: So how about the next time it does this makes 394 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: this noise? Do you know what a spray bottle is 395 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: a little fush fush spray bottle. Yeah, why don't we 396 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: get Why don't we get a little spray bottle, fill 397 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: it with some water and and the next time it 398 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: does it. While it's doing it, let's spray the alternator belt. 399 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: Hit it with a little water, all right? Does it 400 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: change the tone? Does it change the pitch? Does it stop? 401 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: All right? Because this may be coming from the alternator, 402 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: but it may not be the alternator. It may be 403 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: the belt, all right. You know. The other the other 404 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: possibility here is that maybe when you get the alternator 405 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: belt off, if that's indeed what it is, spin all 406 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: the other pulleys. What does it sound like? Now, this 407 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: is the key of sportage. The alternator is trying to 408 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: think of where it is is down on the right 409 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: hand side. Well, if you're sitting in the car in 410 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: the driva seat, it's on the left hand side, you know, 411 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: in front of the engine, you know. Okay, uh, it's 412 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: it's up high. It's relatively easy to get to. Yeah, yeah, okay, 413 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: all right, so let's yeah, easy enough. Let's let's let's 414 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: let's just try wet and the belts down a little bit. 415 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: Water doesn't hurt a belt in the sense that when 416 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: it rains, it's gonna get wet anyway. Uh, you know, 417 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: and let's see does that change it? Obviously, be careful 418 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: you're spraying water moving parts. I don't want to. I 419 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: want you to walk away with old you know, ten fingers. Um. 420 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: But let's let's let's try that. That won't cost you anything. 421 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: And it's easy enough to try. And um, you know, 422 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: if that, I was gonna say, there could be hard 423 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: spots on the belt, dry spots on the belt, but 424 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: you know, at least we'll know is this a belt issue? Now? 425 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 1: If it If that doesn't do it, and it continues 426 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: to make the noise, then the next step is gonna 427 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: be you're gonna have to, you know, shut the car off. Obviously, 428 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: take the belt off and start spinning things. What sounds like? What? 429 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: What sounds like? It's making noise? Does anything have a 430 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: squeak to it? Um? You don't have a mechanic stethoscope, 431 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: do you? Yeah? I do. I was just thinking that 432 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: maybe that might be helpful. Yeah, yeah, you know. And 433 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: what I would tell you to do is I would 434 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: tell you to go listen to the alternator when the 435 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: noise isn't there. That way, you know what good is 436 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: right or or better in this case. Uh, you know, 437 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: listen to it when it's not making the noise, and 438 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: then when it's making the noise, listen to it again. 439 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta have known good to compare against bad. 440 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: And that's whether you're looking at an alternator or drive 441 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: ability problem, a brake pedal, or you know anything along 442 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: those lines. Alright, alright, you you do that. You give 443 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: me a call back, Marty. You give me a call 444 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: back and let me know what happens. Okay. Thanks, You're 445 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: very welcome the great information on this show. It's fantastic. 446 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Marty. I'm glad to be here for you. 447 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: So you take good care. Eight five five zero nine 448 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: zero zero. The Car Doctor is coming back right after this. 449 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: That's right. If you call and we're not live, you 450 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: can leave a message and we'll call you back to 451 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: get you on the air with Ron. Eight five five 452 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron here he is. Hey, 453 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: let's get on over and talk to Ron from Sohmer 454 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: in New York. Ron, Welcome to the car doctor. How 455 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: can I help? Hey? How are you doing today? What's cooking? 456 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: Two thousand TENE Liberty had a hundred and ten thousand miles. 457 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: Never really had much of a problem with it. Just 458 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: broken in, baby, I mean just broken in. So no, no, 459 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's well taken care of. Yeah, good car, 460 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: I said, just broken in, just just then. Issue I 461 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: ever had was the transmission lines rusted out. That's it. Um, 462 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: I have an issue where I can only get ventilation 463 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: through the defroster underneath the windshield. I can't get it 464 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: through the vents, and I can't get it through the floor. 465 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: I can get hot, I can get cold. I just 466 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: can't redirect the air. Um. As anybody trying any diagnosis, Yeah, 467 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: well I've I'm fairly familiar. I'm a techno electronics technician, 468 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: so I'm fairly I'm pretty decent with a meter and 469 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: and some logical assessment. I went down to that. I 470 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: think it's the mixing celenoid. Checked it. It works, It 471 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: changes when I call for different heat. Um um. I 472 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: put it back together again. It seems everything's fine. One person, 473 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: my daughter took it in when she was a college, 474 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: said basically that there's a redirect event or a damper 475 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: that probably had has ended up getting stuck in a 476 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: position where the glue melted and has you know, jammed 477 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: up that particular damper, right, and we see that a lot. 478 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: You know, the easy way to go about this ron 479 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: would would be to, you know, just just get your 480 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: hands on a on a on a specific level scan tool, 481 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: not an O B D two, but manufacturer level scan 482 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: tool that has the ability to a here's a case 483 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: where you've got to go in and scan for fault 484 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: codes on the on the body computer or the heating 485 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: ventilation module, just to see if there's anything there. And 486 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: then if it's a well equipped tool, it will have 487 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: the ability to do bidirectional controls and you can you know, 488 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: manually move the actuators. Uh, you know, if you apply 489 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: command to the actuator to move and it doesn't move. 490 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, then at least you've been then eliminated the 491 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: possibility that it's the control head and wiring in between 492 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: you've or I guess it could be wiring in between 493 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the p c M or the b c M and 494 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: the and the actuator. But you've eliminated half have the system. Um, 495 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, and then at that point you know it's 496 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: the actuator. Now you've got to go find it, probably 497 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: accessing it through the glove box door, if memory serves me, 498 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: correct um, by pulling the glove box out. But because 499 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: actually I've got I've actually gone in there and manually 500 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: moved that small damper up there to see if I 501 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: could just redirect. Um. Nothing nothing works. I get no 502 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: nothing moves. I get no change in the airflow at all. Well, 503 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: when you say, when you say you've manually moved the damper, 504 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: what you take the actuator off? No? No, I just 505 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: I just the damper actually moves. It's loose, there's nothing, 506 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: there's nothing that actually, um uh, it's very easily moved movable. Well, 507 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: what where's the actuator for it? I don't, I don't. 508 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: Where are you where are you going that you're moving 509 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: that actuator or that blo Okay, well, then where's the 510 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: actuator for it to be in that location. I didn't 511 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: even I wasn't even thinking about looking for the actuator 512 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: there right, Well, if you can move, if you can 513 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: move the if you can move the door that controls 514 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: position to defrost vent or feet something is physically broken 515 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: or missing, okay, but it doesn't change the flow of 516 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: air though, even when I do move it, right, But 517 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: what do you think you're moving? Are you physically moving 518 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: the door, are you moving the shaft? I'm actually moving 519 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: the door itself. Something's broken, there's there's there's something broken. 520 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if you close the front door to your house, 521 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: and if if if, if the wind's coming in and 522 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: you close the door to your house, the air has 523 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: got to stop right or it's got to change the direction. 524 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: Correct So, if I understand what you're saying correctly, and 525 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: I think I do, um, it's if if you're changing 526 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: position of that door, then it's it's got to come 527 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: out from a different spot. Either there's a block edge 528 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: which I don't see how it would block both middle 529 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: and bottom, or that blend door. Actually, that blend door 530 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: pivot is physically broken. But I don't understand. I've never 531 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: seen a case where you can move the door if 532 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: the actuator wasn't play. If the actuator is in place, 533 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: it should you should be able to move it. So 534 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: is the actuator missing and there's there's there's more pieces 535 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: to this puzzle than we know at this point. I 536 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't know if it's missing because I've never been in 537 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: this part of the car before. So I would tell 538 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: you to get some information and match up where's that 539 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: actuator supposed to be. If that actuator is missing, then 540 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: we've got to go find it. But that doesn't sound 541 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: like it's going to fix the car. Uh fix the 542 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: problem because you can move the door and there's no change, 543 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: So you could have you could have a broken door internally. 544 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: Does this does this system when it's working properly, does 545 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: it have split hot and cold left to right? Uh? 546 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: There's no, there's no options on the on the dash 547 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: to to have love for the passenger to control his 548 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: own heat and ventilation. Um, so just just I would 549 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: start there, I'm sorry, I would start there finding out 550 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: why you can move that. It makes sense. I was 551 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: told that the center that the where, the where the 552 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: blend the the the I guess whatever. The paddle for 553 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: the blend um door may have been stuck in one position. 554 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: Now I know the blend Or actuator works, and it 555 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: works and it moves as you change the switch on 556 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: the dashboard because I've watched it. I've watched it move 557 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: right well, and it's easy enough. If you can go 558 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: from hot to cold in that the frost position, then 559 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: we know that the blend or is working. So that 560 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: was my that was the first thing I went to 561 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: look for. Right, But if you could, like you're saying, 562 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: if if you're moving the the the air position or 563 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: the air mixed door position where it's where it's supposed 564 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: to be going the deflector and it doesn't change air 565 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: coming out the vents or the bottom, you've either got 566 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: something broken inside the case, you're missing something, or you've 567 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: got some combination of the two. So anyway, so I 568 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: gotta get that result before I can go forward, because 569 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 1: I can't diagnose without having everything else working right. You've 570 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: gotta be sure that all the parts are there. Something 571 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: doesn't sound right, it sounds like you're missing something. Yeah, 572 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: Well that's listen, I'm closer than it was twenty minutes ago. 573 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: You go, all right, brother, keep me posted, let me 574 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: know what happens. I love your show men. Thanks for 575 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: loving me. You're very welcome on Glad to do it 576 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: for you. Five zero nine zero the car doctors coming back? 577 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: Don't you go away? Wow? How do we get here? 578 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: That was the quickest two hours of of my life. 579 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you we're almost We're almost at the end. 580 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: Let's get over red one more. Tom Wisconsin, how can 581 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: I How can I help you today? Tom? He run 582 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: some time listener And uh yeah, I don't always agree 583 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: with your philosophy, but you and I are in the 584 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: same feed. That's okay. You know what it's. It's it's 585 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: it's it's okay for disagreement as long as we can 586 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: do it in a peaceful and uh calm manner. So 587 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: there you go. Especially shooting did trouble shooting elect trying, 588 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: So I become Johnny Electrying. You showing me a schemetic 589 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you where to go to the problem, 590 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: so and and and I'll just tell you where to go. 591 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: What can I do for you here? I recommend that 592 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: right recommendation you get at highly speak hum products that 593 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: come to delve injector cleaner. Okay, how would you stand 594 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: this up against c foam? You know, I get this 595 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: question a lot, and the answer is that, you know, 596 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: I can only base it on what my experience has been. 597 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: I've heard of guys using c foam. I've used I 598 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: think I've used c foam once a while back away 599 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: while back, and I've used Berryman more of recent And 600 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: the explanation becomes that I think buying a fuel system cleaner, 601 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: you're buying technology, and you're buying their relevance to how 602 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: current they are, to the current fuel um uh composition, 603 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: the way gasoline is put together now. And that being said, 604 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: I like what I see from Berryman. I have done 605 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: tests with Berryman where I will take a board scope, 606 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: look at carbon deposits on certain vehicles beforehand use Berryman, 607 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: either use their injector cleaner poor in the tank or 608 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: some of the other heavy duty stuff, and over time 609 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: go back and reboard scope that vehicle and I will 610 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: see some amazing cleanups, some absolutely amazing clean up and 611 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: turn around. And to base it on that, I can't 612 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: see any other way or a better way to do it? 613 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: You know? Have I done that with cfoam, haven't had 614 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity, But I can tell you I've used I've 615 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: used a lot of fuel system cleaners in the past, 616 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: and Berryman to date does the best job period done. 617 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: You know. Um, and the story absolutely right? No, no, no no, 618 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: good explanation and everything. Ah. My biggest question, however, I 619 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 1: don't have a computer, don't want one, don't need one. However, 620 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: you know of any retailer that carries the Berryman products? 621 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: Sure you've got an O'rileyota Parts near you, certainly does. Yeah, 622 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: o'reillyota Parts will have it. And I mean you can 623 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: find well you don't have a computer to find it? 624 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: On how can I? How can an electronics guy not 625 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: have a computer? Come on now, we're gonna have to 626 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: drag you into this century. Um please, but anyway, Tom, 627 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: only kiln um you know, get out thro an o'rillyota 628 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: parts anywhere near you or o'rileyoto dot com if you 629 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: can borrow one from a friend, and you'll find Barryman 630 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: B twelve there. And um, you don't find a lot 631 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: of great products at a riot of parts, Pariament among them. 632 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: So I appreciate the call, and anytime you want to 633 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: chew the fat and talk about diagnostic theory, glad to 634 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: do it, Tom, and glad to count you among the 635 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: car doctor family. Why where this where we're the last 636 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: two hours ago? I don't get it. I'm runing any 637 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: of the card doctor until the next time. Good mechanics 638 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you