1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Mm from grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl in 2 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: two fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: to always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: were fired. You will pass through centuries on the hands 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: of your daughters. They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: backs of diamond eyed school children who growing into hymnals 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: recited by amethyst holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: out of the windows of restored Alchemedo cheriots. To keep 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: the warmth of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Opal Brown courts bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: jim se King told, scribe, scribe, told son, son, told wife, 12 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: wife told her daughter, and daughter told the as this 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: is at the instant has told me that you would 14 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: come to give wisdom. Thousands they said you would come. 15 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Dropping Dropping Gem Welcome back another episode of the Dropping 16 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Gems podcast. We are here. I'm Debbie Brown. As always, 17 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me, and thank you 18 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: for spending this time with me, but also thank you 19 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: for spending this time with yourself. This little forty five 20 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: minutes to an hour. I don't know what this show 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: is gonna come out too. But it is an investment 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: of self and it's an opportunity for us explore ourselves 23 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: to be curious about ourselves in the world. So I 24 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: do not take it lightly that you have joined me today. 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. Big shout out to everybody that has 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: been leaving ratings and reviews on the app Store and 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: Apple Um. I so deeply appreciate it and thank you 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: for seeing me. And I just want you to know 29 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: that I see you two, So very grateful. All right, 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: today's show, I'm pretty hype for this. A big piece 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: of my spiritual journey has been ancestral lineage work, A 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: big piece of the way that I show up for 33 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: myself in the world, and the work that I do 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: and the piece that I'm able to bring to myself 35 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and to my child has really been anchored in connecting 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: to my lineage, connecting to the beautiful gifts that are 37 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: available to us that can't really come to us and 38 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: still until we call out for them. So in today's episode, 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: we are going to really begin to start peeling back 40 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: the layer on what does ancestral lineage work mean, and 41 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: it's something that is available to each of us. Regardless 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: of your background, regardless of really anything about your life, 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: what you do, where you've been. This is a piece 44 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: that you can add to that spiritual toolbox that you've 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: been cultivating that is going to start bringing about some real, 46 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: real radical self acceptance and change and what I've experienced 47 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: as very real miracles in my tangible Earth life. So 48 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: today's episode, we are going to be speaking to how 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: to summon in your ancestors, how to summon in guides 50 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: and angels, and we're just going to begin to do 51 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: some of that weaving and some of that unpacking and storytelling. 52 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: So I'm pretty excited. Keep an open mind and an 53 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: open heart. I know for many people listening some of 54 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: the things that we're going to talk about today may 55 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: feel maybe strange or a little foreign, or just different. 56 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: And so as always, you know, take what you need, 57 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: leave what you don't, but just stay open, Just stay open. 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: So what I say, ancestral lineage work, this is something 59 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: that has been coming forward quite a bit, I guess 60 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: really depending on your algorithm, it pops up on my 61 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: feet a lot, but it's really a concept and knowing 62 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: that has been circling different spiritual community is for quite 63 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: a while, and it's now becoming a little more mainstream 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: and its understanding. And so when I speak to ancestral healing, 65 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: the way that I experience it and share it is 66 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: I really believe and I envision that as I heal myself, 67 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: as I really invest in myself, that diligence of observation, 68 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: that pouring in and pouring out of joy, that connectiveness 69 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: to my truth, to my sacred being, and as I 70 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: share that, I am effortlessly extending that healing to all 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: of the lineage that came before me. And I'm absolutely 72 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: extending that healing to all the lineage that will move 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: through me and be in the future. And so whenever 74 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm in maybe one of the tougher phases of my journey, 75 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: maybe I'm investigating some pieces of myself that are a 76 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: little more challenging than you know, I don't like to 77 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: look at, or some of the more shadowy depths, or 78 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: even as I'm experiencing new challenge just as they arise 79 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: and it's bringing forth different traumas and triggers, you know, 80 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I really try to go about it with joyful curiosity 81 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: instead of self judgment or instead of victimization. At least 82 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that is my attempt, but I really try to move 83 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: through it with always having in the forefront of my 84 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: mind that I am equipped for this moment, I have 85 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: access to all the tools that I will need for 86 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: this life, and that any work that I do for 87 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: myself will be a gift to my lineage, past, present 88 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: and future and create new opportunities and really create an 89 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: energy that adds into the new Earth and the elevation 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: of collective consciousness that so many of us are working 91 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: to bring forward, so much healing that we want to 92 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: extend to people. So today's show, I have a very 93 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: special guest. Um. All my shows are special guests, but 94 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: I am absolutely in awe of this woman. Um. I 95 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: love the way she teaches, is, I love the way 96 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: she speaks, and she is just a true beacon of light. 97 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: So coming to the show today, my guest is doctor 98 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: Rossio Rosales Mesa. She is a seer, a medicine woman, 99 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: an energy worker, a writer, a psycho, spiritual intuitive coach, 100 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: and a de colonial healer. And while she has a 101 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: PhD in counseling psychology, she has chosen not to pursue 102 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: licensure as a psychologist because of the Field's colonial nature. 103 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Her work is now to help the black indigenous women 104 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: and films of color be free from colonial programming, rather 105 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: than having them internalized colonial labels. And I'm so happy 106 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: to have her here. I love her work. We're going 107 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: to break down all of the ways that she can 108 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: connect with her because you guys are I know everyone 109 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: is just going to be like, oh, I need more 110 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: of a piece of that. So, without further ado, I 111 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: would love to welcome to the show the amazing doctor Rossio. 112 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: So welcome to the show, Dr Rossio. Thank you for 113 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: joining us, Thank you for having me. It's so good 114 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: to be here with you. I absolutely love speaking to you. 115 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: I had the chance to, of course do um Alive. 116 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: We did on the Choper account recently about decolon de colonialization. Uh. 117 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: And also though we started out, we first met online 118 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: because COVID, so we were both we both spoke on 119 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: a panel really at the top of the pandemic for 120 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: we Rise l A, which is a mental health initiative 121 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles that does just deeply beautiful work. 122 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: And I remember being on that panel with you, and 123 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: I was just like you were just so striking to me. 124 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: I just loved hearing what you had to say, your 125 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: spirit just really exuded through you and jumped out of 126 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the screen and your depth of knowledge. So I was like, oh, 127 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: I like her. I want to know more about her. 128 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for your kind words. I felt the same 129 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: from you. I feel a kindred nous with you. Is 130 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: that a word? Yes? Yes, let's let it be a word. Yes. 131 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: So I so appreciate you and your spirits and just 132 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: all the beautiful work that that you're bringing for us. 133 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 1: So I'm so glad to be here with you again today. Wow, 134 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: I received that reflection. Thank you. You know so I've 135 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: had I've had a chance to share with the audience. 136 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: You know so much of who and what you are, 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: and there's so much that I find just deeply fascinating 138 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: about your journey. So you have your PhD and counseling psychology, 139 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: so that means you were in school forever. You were 140 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: in school forever. But you made the conscious choice, even 141 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: with that deep investment not just of time but of money, 142 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: you made the conscious choice to say, you know, I 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: got these learnings, but this isn't the way that I 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: want to help people heal. Can you speak to why 145 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: did you decide to not pursue your licensure as a 146 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: psychologist given the time spent. Yeah. Yeah, So I honestly 147 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: was forced. I say, spirit and ancestors forced me out 148 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: of that field because I became I developed the chronic 149 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: migraine disability. Because I was in school forever, for probably 150 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: twenty years of my life. I really exploited my body 151 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: to earn the PhD. I really abused my body, and 152 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: so there came a time where my body just gave out. 153 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: And I trained as a psychologist seeing clients, um, doing therapy. 154 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: But then I made the shift to become a professor, 155 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: a psychology professor, because I thought, um, it might be 156 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: a little easier for me, It might be easy year 157 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: to set those boundaries because part of me sort of 158 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: cared too much about the people that I was working 159 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: with and really felt constrained in the way that folks 160 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: do therapy now in the psychology field, and so I 161 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 1: felt like, if I'm a professor, I may have a 162 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: little bit more flexibility. Um, which didn't turn out to 163 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: be the case. Because women of color and academia are 164 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: almost like the mothers, the mothers for black indigenous students 165 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: of color, and so I really just yeah, I really 166 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: just repeated the same pattern of abusing my body. Um 167 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: after I earned tenure, which means that I secured a 168 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: lifelong position through doing research, through my teaching evaluations, all 169 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: of that, I developed a disability and I was forced 170 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: to take medical leave. And during that time, I was 171 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: also pregnant, and I there were day and so even 172 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: going back a little bit before I had to take 173 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 1: that medical leave, I was living in pain, daily pain, 174 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: severe pain for two years and it wasn't until I 175 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: became pregnant that it was almost as if my body 176 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: said I can't do this anymore. We need a break, 177 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: you know. And on that medical leave and after having 178 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: my child, I just I just couldn't even there were 179 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: days I couldn't even get out of bed. And so 180 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: I was on a medical leave and I was let go. 181 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: You know, I was fired from my position. They said, 182 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: I technically wasn't fired. I lost my position, but it 183 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: was really they let me go. And that was a 184 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: huge blow because I never ever imagined that that would 185 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: happen because I had secured a life long, long position, 186 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: and so it was really through that being forced of 187 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: being fired that all of this sort of became this 188 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: illusion sort of begin to crumble, and and so I 189 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: started That's when I started to begin to see the 190 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: world differently and see that the systems that we have 191 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: set up that we think are secure and safe, that 192 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: we think bring us healing, that they're they're really false. 193 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, that it really is just avail and it 194 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: is so tenuous and so fragile. And so I lived 195 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: that myself, and so all of that that being fired 196 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: without expectation, like we were literally and in conversations to 197 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: find accommodations for me. And then a couple of days later, 198 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: I received an email that said, I was, I was, 199 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: I lost my position. And so that experience of really 200 00:12:55,040 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: my world imploding really, you know, may me become so 201 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: critical and and de colonial in examining all of this. Yeah, 202 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: that that really illustrates for me in this moment. You know, 203 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: how society just really doesn't hold space for women, right, 204 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: all of these structures, all of these positions, all of 205 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: the everything, like there's not really dignity or compassion or 206 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: support extended to women because from the story you shared, 207 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: it's you are literally in immeasurable physical pain. You you're 208 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: very clearly doing the work, and you were striving to 209 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: do the work, and you had invested just an unfathomable 210 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: amount of time and mental exertion. Everything. You're pregnant with 211 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: a child, You have a child growing and being nourished 212 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: inside of you, and then the structure in place says 213 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: you're a place. What we can do without you? Figure 214 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: it out? Yeah? And particularly I want to say for 215 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: women of color that the way that we treat black 216 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: indigenous women of color is is we either place them 217 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: in servitude or we place them as an inconvenience. Oh okay, 218 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: say that one more time. Or Black Indigenous women of color, 219 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: particularly society either places them in this role of servitude 220 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: or as an inconvenience. M Yeah, even though I know 221 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: that to be true, just hearing it right now in 222 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: this moment, I had to take a breath because that 223 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: is such a weighty, weighty experience. And something I have 224 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: dedicated myself to and and think about constantly is what 225 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: are the barriers to healing that women of color face, 226 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: that men of color face. What are the barriers to healing? 227 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Why is it that our quote unquote healing doesn't seem 228 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: to come with as much ease as counterparts, especially within 229 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: the wellness industry, right, especially in some of the programs 230 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, do yoga, now you're healed, 231 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: and if you're not healed, that's your fault. It's because 232 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: you are blocking yourself, or it's because you're you know, 233 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: playing the victim role or doing all of these things. 234 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: And it's like, God, like, the hurdles to remembering our 235 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: worth and wholeness are just never ending sometimes and so yeah, 236 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: and so me having that lived experience and also really 237 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: seeing how both the psychology feel, the wellness field, the 238 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: healing fields, that they really don't get to the roots 239 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: of what we experience as black Indigenous people of color 240 00:15:54,640 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: really sort of for me cemented that of like this feel, 241 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: although I have dedicated a lifetime to it, I am 242 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: seeing the ways that that it doesn't help us, That 243 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: it actually blames us for for what we are not 244 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: even responsible for, right like the things that have historically 245 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: been done to us, and it's really not addressing that 246 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: and is actually telling us, especially through the psychology field, 247 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: through diagnoses and labels, that it's actually your problem, right Like, 248 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: all of this this anxiety that black Indigenous people of 249 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: color feel, even depression at the root of it, I 250 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: believe is colonial intergenerational trauma, but that doesn't become addressed. 251 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: And what we tend to do is we say, we 252 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: give people this diagnosis that you're anxious or you're depressed, 253 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and people walk around believing that that that's something that 254 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: I have to carry my whole life, and it almost 255 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: feels like a death sentence rather and really empowering them 256 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: and letting them know it's actually not your fault or 257 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: feeling this way, and actually what you're feeling is an 258 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: appropriate reaction to what has been done to your your lineage, 259 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: to what is still being done to you. Wow. So 260 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: much of the work that you do, in the way 261 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: in which you've used your depth of knowledge and education 262 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: is to fully embody in the space of ancestral healing 263 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: and really rooting in indigenous practice in service to our 264 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: healing and our wholeness and our growth. How does one 265 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: even begin to connect with their ancestors? What does that 266 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: look like? What was your call to the wild where 267 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: you saw another another road to be of service? Yeah? So, 268 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: my when my life imploded, when I lost everything, And 269 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: I think that's really important because at that time it 270 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: was everything that I thought, who I thought I was right. 271 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: I was a professor, I was a psychologist. I was 272 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 1: even the person that people would come to to help write, 273 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: like if anyone had a problem, come, I'll take care 274 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: of your problems, all feel things for you, Like I 275 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: was that person. And when I developed a disability, all 276 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: of that was gone. I couldn't do any of it. 277 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: And it's really that experience of I want to say, 278 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: emptying yourself, emptying yourself of who you've who you thought 279 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: you were, who you've been told to be right that 280 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: that being a clear channel, I think is really important 281 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: and it sounds beautiful to be a clear channel, but 282 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: there's also a lot of pain and a lot of 283 00:18:55,200 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: grief in that. And I don't enough of the pain 284 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: and the grief that is so important, all of the 285 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: shadow work that is necessary and being deprogrammed. Let's sit here, 286 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: because this is a piece that people need to know 287 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: about love and light. It's not just puppies and rainbows, 288 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: you know, I think personally my path to the level 289 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: of joy I have access to right now and the 290 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: level of inner love that I so savor about myself 291 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: in this moment, it was excruciating coming here, just frightening excruciating, 292 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: god awful. You know, you are constantly holding a mirror 293 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: to yourself, to your behavior, to your perspectives, to your traumas, 294 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: and you're making the conscious choice to look at them, 295 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: to stay with them until they are ugged enough that 296 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: you've dissolved them in your arms. Yes, yes, and that 297 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: is so important. And so what I always share with 298 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: the women of color that I work with is compassion 299 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: is so important. Self compassion through through that journey because 300 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: you you, there will be moments where you do judge 301 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: yourself and where you feel horrible about yourself and and 302 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: and the world already does that for you. The world 303 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: already judges you enough as a black, indigenous woman of color. 304 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: And so if we can give self compassion, right radical 305 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: self love, then we will be able to face that pain. 306 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: Then we will be able to grieve. And and so yeah, 307 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: that that grieving that pain is so important. I would 308 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: not be here had I not experience that, you know, 309 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: just really crying, like bawling my eyes out of like 310 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: all of the things that I thought I was that 311 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: that my mom and I worked so hard for. I 312 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: was raised by a single mom, and so so much 313 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: of my identity was wrapped up in what I did 314 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: for other people and how I can help for other people, 315 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: and now I can't do any of that, Like who 316 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: am I right? And And actually why did I feel 317 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: that I had to do that? Why did I feel 318 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: like I had to take care of other people and 319 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: not just you know, make space for myself. Where did 320 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: I learn that? Or did my mother learn that all 321 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: of that was so painful to face but also so 322 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: necessary to be able to get here? Yeah? Yeah, How 323 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: does one begin to face their pain if it seems 324 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: like a mountain that is just unclaimable, or how do 325 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: they even identify why they feel about themselves the way 326 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: that they do. I think that's actually the first step 327 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: before we can observe our pain. Mm hmm, yeah, I 328 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: think so. This is another reason why I felt called 329 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: to leave the psychology. Feel is because sometimes we get 330 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: in our head too much, and we and and so 331 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: it's related to colonialism and you know, being analytical and 332 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: just being in our mind. And yes it's important to reflect, 333 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: that is medicine, but also we have a tendency to 334 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: to overthink things and to analyze things instead of feeling them. 335 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: And so if if folks can just let themselves feel 336 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: give themselves permission to feel what what is already bubbling 337 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: up right without any judgment, right, and even maybe putting. 338 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: For me, music is very healing. So for me it 339 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm feeling this, and I mean to 340 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: let this go. I need to release this. I'm going 341 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: to listen to my favorite music, to the music that 342 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: I know really hits my soul and holds my heart. 343 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: And and so even starting there and just allowing that 344 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: release it's it's a Catharsis right, and and not not 345 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: trying to explain it at first, just allowing it. Yeah. Yeah, 346 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: being with yourself, learning how to be with you and 347 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: how to experience yourself in the fullness of who you are, 348 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: which is the perceived good choices, the perceived bad choices, 349 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: some of the shame that we can go of for 350 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: past behavior decision, some of the harm we can go 351 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: of that you know we incurred or endured. Um. Yeah. 352 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: And I think why people don't feel like they can 353 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: be with it is because they do judge it. They 354 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: feel like I'm incapable of holding this, or I'm too 355 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: scared to face this, or I'm going to be alone 356 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: when I when I experienced this and all of that 357 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: is for me is untrue because we are very resilient peoples. 358 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: And also we can call on spirit to be with 359 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: us when we're experiencing that. We can call our our 360 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: healed ancestors to be with us. And even if they 361 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: don't have a practice and they don't know what that means, like, 362 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: if you set that intention, they will come to you. 363 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: And for me, that's how I started to to come 364 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: back to my indigenous roots is through that period of 365 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: really shedding, of being cleared of everything and really calling 366 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: them like I I can't do this myself, I need 367 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: your help, and really just asking for their guidance and 368 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and allowing them to show it, believing that they will 369 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: show up, you know. And so yes, there are rituals 370 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: and all these things that they will learn along the way, 371 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: but it can be so semple as calling them in. 372 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: I love that so so so so much. That has 373 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: added such a layer of protection and magic and abundance 374 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: to my life. And doing that and you know, part 375 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: of my mindful path and my path of well being. 376 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: You know. It started really more so in the traditional 377 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: mindfulness sense about ten years ago, which was through a 378 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: meditation retreat and learning how to meditate, which was the 379 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: game changer for me, and then really in the last 380 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: couple of years, but more so in the last year, 381 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, in the UM, I said, so all of 382 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: this is great, but now it's time for more because 383 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: life is wild, and so for me, that kind of 384 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: incestral practice started as lighting a candle, lighting a stage, 385 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, um, lighting some stage or copol or Paulo Santo, 386 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: and I just said, like, this is an offering of 387 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: love and gratitude to my ancestors, everyone in my lineage, 388 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: please step forward. I invite you into my life. And 389 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: from there is where I mean just magic has been 390 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: unfolding for me so much, so much divine protection into 391 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: such a challenging year. But also I slowly to your point, 392 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: like really it effortlessly expands. You will intuitively be told 393 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: what to do next. So it went from lighting that 394 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: candle to now I'm calling forward specific things because they 395 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: planted that seat of intention. I'm also inviting in everybody. 396 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like, Archangel Michael, come through, Archangel Rafael Rasayel 397 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: come through to the house. Like I'm I'm asking everyone 398 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: to step forward for my highest good um and really 399 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: asking to meet my highest self most deeply. And I 400 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: think we you know, when when people read about the 401 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: highest self and we talk about it, you know, I 402 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: think a way to tangibly understand it is, is it's 403 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: the best version of you, you on your best day, 404 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: when you're making the best choices and you're feeling really 405 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: good about yourself and trying to glimpse and live in 406 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: that all the time. But on more like a metaphysical level, energetically, 407 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: it's it's much deeper than that. It's really the the 408 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: larger essence of your soul, the pure light being that 409 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: is a piece of you, um, that is you that 410 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: shared some of itself with the earth to learn yes. 411 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: And and that's the part of that's the part that's 412 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: missing in psychology for sure, that that almost psychology, I 413 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: want to say, shuns and that all that never resonated 414 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: with me, Like, yes, there's a space for like psycho spirituality, 415 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: but but at the at the academic level, it's something 416 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: that's that's judged and that never resonated for me. It 417 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: felt like a like a spiritual prison, that's what I say. 418 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: You know, My my years in academia felt like like 419 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: a spiritual prison, like I always had to hide this 420 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: spirit part of myself, and so really it was my 421 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: my ancestors and spirit calling me back, like you don't 422 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: fit there anymore. You have you know, a higher purpose 423 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: and and it really is about just opening that door 424 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: and and really a remembrance because we we have been 425 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: so disconnected as black indigenous people, as of color, We've 426 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: been disconnected violently from from source, from our ancestors, from 427 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: our indigenous beliefs. But as soon as you can can 428 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: intentionally call them in, they come. They come to you, 429 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: and they will speak to you, and they will give 430 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: you messages, and they will sort of reveal to you 431 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: the parts of you that's still in healing, or the 432 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: parts of you that you can't see or that you 433 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: don't believe in. They will, they will encourage you, and 434 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: they will speak to you. I think a way to 435 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: ground this a little bit for anyone that happens to 436 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: be listening that this is feeling really ethereal or out 437 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: of your grasp. You know the concept of God giving 438 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: us free will. This is how I really have deepened 439 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: my own experience with it. God gave us free will, 440 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: not just so we could just be making you know, 441 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: all of our choices, which is important, you know, and 442 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: it's part of the human experience. But it's so we 443 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: could cultivate the ability to actively seek him out when 444 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: we need him for his divine intervention and his grace. 445 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: And I think the way that I've experienced it with ancestors, 446 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: with angels, with all of the energies, it's they're waiting. 447 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: They're waiting for you to call upon them. They can't 448 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: they can't intervene just yet, you know, be because they 449 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: have their rules. We have, you know, our earthly rules. 450 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: And also we can't hear them until we seek them out. 451 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: It's so much harder to hear or see them, or 452 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: or have that divine influence without seeking it out. And 453 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: so it's that experience of when you call out to it, 454 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: when you set the intention to connect with it, that's 455 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: when it'll start showing up and unfolding in really beautiful 456 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: ways in your practices. Yeah, and so as you were 457 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: saying that, what I heard was like, they're waiting there, 458 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: but you have to hire them, you have to come in, 459 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 1: you know otherwise right that they're respecting your path and 460 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: their witnessing, and they know that they can support you, 461 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: but you have to hire them. I love that. Yeah, yeah, 462 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: invite them over come in. So Dr Rocio, you you 463 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: are a medicine woman and you're a seer. Expand on 464 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: what that is and what that variances. Mm hmm. So, 465 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: So I was born with the ability to sort of 466 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: see the spirit realm, meaning I receive visions, I hear 467 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: things from the spirit realm. Um. Sometimes I just know 468 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: things that I know that I there's no way that 469 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: I would know um. But for most of my life 470 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,959 Speaker 1: I did sort of push it away because I didn't 471 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: understand it UM. And so because of this, I come 472 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: from a long line of healers from both my maternal 473 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: and paternal lineages, but because of colonization, the most recent 474 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: UH generations sort of UM hid these things because there 475 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: was sort of this this shame right that UM. I 476 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: grew up in the Catholic Church, and so that was 477 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 1: sort of discouraged, right that you know, just you know, 478 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: not to connect to yourself, but to a power outside 479 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: of yourself. And so that was very much ingrained in 480 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: in my mom and my grandma. Even though they have 481 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: the same abilities, they sort of hit them. And so 482 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: I learned the same thing. And so it was through 483 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: all of this experience that all of that came back 484 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: and that I began to embrace it um and that 485 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 1: that I also took the path of a medicine woman, 486 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: meaning that healing comes through, yes, the earthly realm, but 487 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: also the spirit realm, of integrating both our human experience 488 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: and our spiritual experience, and also connecting very deeply to 489 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: the medicine of Mother Earth, that we are her children 490 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: and that we can access her her medicine through the elements, 491 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: the wind, the water, right, all the five are all 492 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: of these things, and so it's really an integration, an 493 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: integration of all that is available to us, and really 494 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: working with people in a way that honors them as 495 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: whole beings and so not in in the way that 496 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: that holistic, the holistic wellness capitalist field speaks about right, 497 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: but really you as a whole being, who are you 498 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: here right to be? What is your sole purpose? What 499 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: gifts were you given to bring? Right? And also what 500 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: is what what is your spiritual medicine? Right? And how 501 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: can we integrate that? M m ah. That's so beautiful 502 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: a conversation that's happening quite a bit in the world 503 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: and I think with many of us who are doing 504 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: this work or seeking this work, it's the understanding and 505 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 1: the desire to heal family lineage, you know, to really 506 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: extend the healing that we're doing in our body, minds 507 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: and hearts in the hopes that it will go backwards 508 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: in time and heal that lineage, go forward in time 509 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: and be the change. You know. I think a lot 510 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: of us are awakened to the understanding wherever you're at 511 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: on your journey, that you know, the quote unquote buck 512 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: can stop with you, that there is opportunity to fully 513 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: receive and hold space for the amount of trauma that 514 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: has existed throughout our human history, throughout our lineage, and 515 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: alcomize it so that it does not affect future generations. 516 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Can you speak to what that is, what is ancestral 517 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: lineage healing and how can we start thinking of that 518 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 1: more and applying it? Mm hmm. Yeah. So the first 519 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: thing that's coming through is is really developing a connection 520 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: to the land. You know, I think for me that 521 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: has been instrumental of of because so I'm first generation 522 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: daughter of quote unquote immigrants and Mexican and for much 523 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: of my experience and I think This is the experience 524 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: of any person of color living in diaspora, meaning that 525 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: you were taken from your lands, right, that you you 526 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: were not born in your motherlands. That experience of diaspora 527 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: makes you feel disconnected, like on a soul level, it 528 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: makes you feel disconnected and so connecting to the land, 529 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: giving offerings to the land, talking to the land as 530 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: she as she is your mother, you know, allowing her 531 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: to hold you. All of that is so important to 532 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: sort of open up that that path and and to 533 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: to connect you. Right. It almost feels like the vision 534 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: that I'm getting is like that umbilical cord with with 535 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: mother Earth, right, and like really opening that energetic channel 536 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: with her so that you you are no longer like floating, 537 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: because I think that's the experience of so many black 538 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: Indigenous people of color, and we call it anxiety in psychology, 539 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: but it's this sort of spiritual floating that I'm disconnected 540 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: from my motherland, I'm disconnected from my ancestral lineage. And 541 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: so for me, that is that is why I do 542 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: work in the colonial healing, because it really is that 543 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: that umbilical cord you know, of of healing that and 544 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: really being connected to both the land and our ancestors. 545 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's so beautiful. That reminds me of when 546 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: a girlfriend of mine was sharing that went on a 547 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: trip to Africa and it felt like she was home. Yes, 548 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: And I think what that kind of even more deeply, 549 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: what that says to me is not not necessarily I mean, 550 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: obviously ancestrally, it's a remembrance of a home that you 551 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: had in in another lifetime. But also it just came 552 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: forward for me, is this idea that by returning there 553 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: you were able to dissolve the trauma of the people 554 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: that were taken from there because you returned there. Yeah, 555 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: you transformed that pain. You as your full embodied self 556 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: with sovereignty and liberation, returned to a place um that 557 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: was very grieved and you brought your energy and your 558 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: light to it. M mmmm. And I feel so much 559 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: in my heart as you're saying that, because it really is, 560 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: it really is a spiritual remembrance. Even the fact that 561 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: people feel called to their motherland, that's their ancestors calling 562 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: them back. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It's 563 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: your ancestors calling you back, and anyone listening. If you 564 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,240 Speaker 1: are feeling something in your body, the energy is something 565 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: in your heart that that is ancestral healing, right, that 566 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: it is in our dna. It is on a cellular level, 567 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: right healing that we must do to reclaim our power. 568 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: Because our story as black Indigenous people of color is 569 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: not just pain, right, Like I think we sort of 570 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: get caught in that loop that becomes harmful, that we 571 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: just speak about the pain, that we wear the pain 572 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: as a padge of honor, that it becomes our identity. 573 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,439 Speaker 1: And that's not what the colonial healing is, right, And 574 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: and that's not what our ancestors want for us, right. 575 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: Our ancestors dreamed us into being, not so that we 576 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: can survive, not so that we can push through, not 577 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: so that we can you know, be the strong ones. 578 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: They drinked us into being to be sovereign, to be free, 579 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: right to dream, to thrive. Right. And so it really 580 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: is on a cellular level, you returning to that place 581 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: where we were pre colonization, right before they told us 582 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: who we were, who were we who were we meant 583 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: to be? And so it's really repairing that on an 584 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: energetic level, on a spiritual level, And what I want 585 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,839 Speaker 1: to say to people is that yes, these words may 586 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: sound very like esoteric and ethereal, but it really is 587 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: just as simple as setting the intention to do it. 588 00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. I 589 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: know some people listening right now are probably like, Okay, 590 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: they're talking about a lot of things I'm not fully 591 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: familiar with. How many books do I have to read 592 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: to know this stuff? And it is so much simpler 593 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: than that. None, none, none. You can set the intention 594 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: even something that's simple and I and I've shared this 595 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: um on this show before, some soul work, but even 596 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,439 Speaker 1: even saying out loud during your day, God, please show 597 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: me the truth of who I am. Please show me 598 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: the deepest, the deepest truth of my path. And it's 599 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: the same thing with this setting the intention and just 600 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 1: saying you know, I my intention is to dissolve any 601 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: barriers I have up to my own healing. My intentions 602 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: are to connect with my ancestral lineage. Yes, yes, right? 603 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: And and why is that so? I just want to 604 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: backtrack a little bit that the reason why we don't believe, 605 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: if people are still questioning it, the reason why we 606 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: don't believe our intention is that powerful is because of 607 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: the programming. Because we've been taught to believe that we 608 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: need other people to heal us, right, that we need 609 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: a medical doctor, that we need a psychologist, that we 610 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: need a professor, all of these things right, And yes, 611 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: to some extent that is true. But also we are 612 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: powerful beings and the medicine is in us and we 613 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: just have to activate it, right. And so that is 614 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: very countercultural because we've been taught take this pill right, 615 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,399 Speaker 1: and this pill something outside of yourself is going to 616 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: fix you and you don't have to do anything but 617 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: receive it right. And that is actually the opposite of 618 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: what healing is. Right. It's you, you setting an intention 619 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:09,240 Speaker 1: right and activating that healing within you. That's what's setting 620 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: an intention means. And on a spirit level, all of 621 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: that right, like guides, spirits, ancestors, it is always available 622 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: to you. And setting the intention opens up that sacred 623 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: space and it it has. If people are open to that, 624 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: then they will feel that energy. They will feel like 625 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: the energy of someone hugging them or someone being beside them, right. 626 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 1: And and so then it's just believing that and calling 627 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: it any more. I have experienced that so deeply in 628 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: my life, especially in this last year, and it has 629 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: been one of the most profound joys and greatest gifts 630 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,240 Speaker 1: to feel like I'm walking like I I truly feel 631 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: like I'm walking into a room with this spiritual army 632 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 1: behind me. Everywhere I go. I feel shrouded and protected 633 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: and surrounded. Which is not to say that I haven't 634 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: actually been faced with some of the darkest and most 635 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: difficult challenges of my life, because very much so I 636 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,240 Speaker 1: have this year. Um, but there's it's a different lens 637 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: that I'm experiencing it with now. It's a lens of 638 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,000 Speaker 1: just knowing I'm equipped for this moment of my life 639 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: and that I don't have to worry about anything. Abundance 640 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: is my birthright. Protection is my birthright. You know, I 641 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: came to this earth to experience. But that doesn't mean 642 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: that I have to be broken or harmed to do that. Yes, yes, 643 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,239 Speaker 1: And and so then that brings me back to the 644 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: pain that we were speaking of as back into Dinner's 645 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 1: people of color, that we get we get so comfortable 646 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: in the pain, like almost and then because it's familiar, 647 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: right like pain and discomfort for many people is their 648 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,839 Speaker 1: default experience, that's their normal. So when there is too 649 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: much joy or you're feeling even a swell in your 650 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: chest of anything joyous or different, or when someone is 651 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: nice to you even or shares a smile with you, 652 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: you feel that you can't trust it, that that's not 653 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: actually real because your foundation of what your quote unquote 654 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: normal is has been dysfunction and so dismantling that. Yeah, yes, 655 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: I just feel that heaviness in my heart because because 656 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,879 Speaker 1: there's so many black indigenous people of color in that 657 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: pain and comfortable in it and almost view it as 658 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: like like a good thing, I want to say, and 659 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: and and that's when they become complicit in their own oppression. 660 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: And I don't say that to judge. I say that 661 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: from a loving place, but we do be I'm complicit 662 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: in our own oppression when we allow that pain to 663 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: define us. Mm, we allow that pain to become our identity. Yes, yes, 664 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: if you're listening right now and you're saying to yourself, perhaps, yeah, 665 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: but you don't know my story. You don't know how 666 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: hurt that I've been, you don't know what happened to me. 667 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, this is who I've become. I 668 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: so hear that. I get it. I get it, and 669 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: I am sorry. But there is opportunity to not limit 670 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 1: yourself by acknowledging it and allowing it to be dissolved 671 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: by seeking joy. It doesn't mean it's untrue. I think 672 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: so often when we do survive things, something that comes 673 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: forward for us is that we survived it, so now 674 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: we have to carry it and it has to be 675 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: the narrative of who we are and why we are, 676 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: And there's opportunity be for that not to happen. I 677 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,680 Speaker 1: think a great way to start practicing how to live 678 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: your life without the weight of the ways that you 679 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: were harmed is to restructure the way you share yourself. 680 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: And so, for example, if you want to share some 681 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,120 Speaker 1: of who you are in your story, practicing not telling 682 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,399 Speaker 1: all the potentially horrifying elements that then engage that other 683 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: person in shock, that then feeds the knowing nous that 684 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: your identity is wrapped in pain. And so it could 685 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: be like instead of saying well, when I you know, 686 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: well this and this, this and this, this, this this 687 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: happened to me, it could be you know, practicing and 688 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: just playing with saying I had a really challenging upbringing, 689 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: I had a childhood that really lent itself to me 690 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 1: feeling quite alone. And because of that, it led me 691 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: to be this person right now in this moment, just 692 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: beginning to play with our narratives and play with our 693 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: stories and what pieces can still convey who we are 694 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: and why we are, but without a lot of the 695 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: details that can keep us stuck. M m yeah, because 696 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: then we rewire. We're programming our brain for pain, right, 697 00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: Like we're we're wiring our brain to be comfortable in 698 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: the pain. And and so that's when we don't can't 699 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: shift out of it energetically, right, And so we're not 700 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: saying to spiritually bypass all of that pain. Of course 701 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: you need, you need to heal, and you need to 702 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: process it, but to not be stuck in that, to 703 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: not allow what I say, to not allow the colonial 704 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: pain to define you, because then the oppressor wins. Then 705 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,400 Speaker 1: then you're still playing their game by being stuck in 706 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: the pain that they inflicted upon you. Right, And so 707 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: this this is not who and so this is my 708 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,520 Speaker 1: work is to like for this is a remembering remembering 709 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: that our ancestors were not always people that were in pain. 710 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: Are there was a time where our ancestors were already free, 711 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: like you know, like we need to get back to 712 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: that energy and that's ancestral healing. Ah yeah, oh so beautiful, 713 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,440 Speaker 1: Dr Rocio. How can people connect with you and what 714 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: are some of the offerings that they can be a 715 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: part of. I have a few friends that are involved 716 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: in your courses and in your teaching, and they are 717 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: just so blown away by you. I mean, you have 718 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: just like lifted the veil for them in such such 719 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,279 Speaker 1: a powerful way. Can you share a little bit about 720 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 1: how people can get more connected with you and really 721 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: walk this path with you? Thank you. Yeah, it's my 722 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,840 Speaker 1: honor to do this work and to serve as a 723 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: vessel for this work. Um, if folks want to so, 724 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm very active on Instagram, so at Dr Rosalis Messa. UM. 725 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,680 Speaker 1: I have a community there where I share a lot 726 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: of my work to make it accessible. I show up 727 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,479 Speaker 1: um thursdays live Thursday nights after my little one goes 728 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: to sleep. I do lives there for folks that just 729 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: want to learn about my work. Um. I also have 730 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: a membership community, the De Colonial Healing Collective, and I 731 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,759 Speaker 1: say that the community is for the people that are 732 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: too de colonial for the spiritual world and too spiritual 733 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 1: for the de colonial world. It's really existing at those 734 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: intersections UM and and for me, I just love the 735 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,359 Speaker 1: the intersections because that's where newness comes in. That's where 736 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,880 Speaker 1: we invite the new earth. UM. So I have that 737 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,800 Speaker 1: membership community UM and then I do UM spiritual meditations 738 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: once a month where I channel people can ask me 739 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: questions I channel UM. I do energy healings once a 740 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: month for folks that are outside of the community as 741 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 1: well UM and so all of that they can UM 742 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: take a look at either on Instagram or my website 743 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,040 Speaker 1: dr ros dot com. M so beautiful. I think the 744 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: homework I'd like to offer everyone today before we close 745 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,839 Speaker 1: out the show. Your soul work for the week will 746 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: be to practice inviting in your ancestral lineage. So I 747 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,280 Speaker 1: really and if you need to get a notebook, grab 748 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 1: it and write this down or just rewind when you 749 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: have the space and the opportunity. But I want everyone 750 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: to get a candle. I want you to at the 751 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 1: end of your night before bed, dim some lights, put 752 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 1: on some music, maybe light a few candles, maybe have 753 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: some instances burning, and then sit down on the floor, 754 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 1: take a really deep breath in through your nose, side 755 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,720 Speaker 1: it out through your mouth and then with a lighter 756 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 1: or match in hand, hold up an unlit candle, close 757 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: your eyes and say, I'm lighting this candle as an 758 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 1: offering of love and gratitude to my ancestors. I invite 759 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: you into my life. My intention is to get to 760 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: know you and to experience you. And then just let 761 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,359 Speaker 1: that candle burn for a bit or burn all night 762 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: however long feels good, and just start slowly observing after 763 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: that day, and I would really suggest doing it every day. 764 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 1: Make it part of your routine at night or in 765 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 1: the morning, and just start noticing. Just hold space to 766 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: notice any shifts that may happen in an effortless way, 767 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: any new little bits of beauty and joy that you 768 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,879 Speaker 1: can see and have access to, and let those kind 769 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,560 Speaker 1: of just begin to plant the seed for you on 770 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: how you can grow and expand and your spiritual practices. 771 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for 772 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,960 Speaker 1: the work that you do in the world. Thank you, 773 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: Thank you for your light or your spirits and for 774 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: all that you do, for all that you are, and 775 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: so appreciate you. Hey find me on social Let's connect 776 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,160 Speaker 1: at Debbie Brown. That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to 777 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: my website Debbie Brown dot com and if you're listening 778 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: to the show on Apple podcasts, please please please don't 779 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,800 Speaker 1: forget to rate, review, and subscribe, and send this episode 780 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: to a friend. Dropping Jims is the production of I 781 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and The Black Effect Network. It's produced by 782 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: Triple and Me Debbie Brown. For more podcasts from My 783 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,239 Speaker 1: heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 784 00:52:53,440 --> 00:53:25,640 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.