1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: listening to soft Rep Radio special operations, military news and 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community. Hold everyone, 4 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: and welcome back to soft Rep Radio. I'm your host today, 5 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: Steve L. Druri, and uh this afternoon. We're recording this 6 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: on Thursday, June January seven. Excuse me, this is a 7 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: soft Rep only podcast. We have three of us here 8 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: recording this afternoon where you're going to be trying to 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: make some sense and and hit some talking points over. Uh. 10 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I guess there's no other way to put it. The 11 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: fiasco that happened in Washington, d C. Yesterday, I mean, 12 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: I can't think of another way to do that, but 13 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: joining us as our editor in chief, Jacob so Tech 14 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,119 Speaker 1: and Sean Spoots. So we're gonna be talking things over 15 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: and trying to make some sense for our listeners out 16 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: there and all of our readers. We've all written something 17 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: on what transfer transpired yesterday. So before we go any further, 18 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: I want to welcome our our two guys to the podcast. 19 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: We've never had either of you on, so welcome Jacob, 20 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Welcome Sean. I'm wondering why we've never been on what 21 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: that I I don't I don't control who's been who 22 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: goes on the podcast. I usually just get an emails 23 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: and hey, contact this guy, and that's what I do. 24 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: So well happened. Maybe we should, Yeah we should. Maybe 25 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: we should do this more often, especially if we have 26 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: something like just to talk about. Let's hope we don't 27 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: have that too often. Yeah, that's true. Let's hope we 28 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: don't have anything. Oh like this again, Jacob, you want 29 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: to kick things off? And sure, sure, UM, I'll start 30 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: by saying this, um, both both of you guys. UH 31 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: and I have had conversations this morning about what we 32 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: witnessed yesterday, and for the first time in a long time, 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time staying um neutral, and I'm angry. 34 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm really upset. And I watched this whole thing unfold, um, 35 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: and watched watched all the news outlets all night long, 36 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: and UH, I just feel like we're we're witnessing something 37 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: really unprecedented, and this is a really crucial moment in 38 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: our democracy. And I think I think we're witnessing something 39 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: that is going to change our country, change our politics, um, 40 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: for for decades to come. I think you're absolutely right there, Sean, 41 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: what was your first impressions over that last thing or 42 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: yet all day yesterday? Actually, well, I was It's funny 43 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: I kind of watched it almost as if I was 44 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: a spectator to the event, as opposed to feeling it 45 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: in the same visceral way that so Jake did. Um. 46 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a student of history like you are, Stephen, 47 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like this happening in the world is not 48 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: essentially new. It's not actually new in this country. One 49 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: time a bunch of protesters burned down the Federal Reserve Bank, 50 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: and we had the Whiskey Rebellion that that George Washington 51 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: put down. And we had the Civil War, and we 52 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: had ten years of really serious unrest during the Vietnam War. 53 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: We had we had a bombing in in Congress into 54 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: we had another one I think in nineteen seventy two, 55 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: actually bombed the Congress building inside. So these are things 56 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: that have been a part of our republic almost since 57 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: its inception. Um. But it's all I think. It's also 58 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: that the lessons we take from it, and the the 59 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: view that I came away with is that this is 60 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: the culmination of basically four years of really hot extremist 61 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: rhetoric turning into action, the extremist rhetoric of the left, 62 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: which views everyone on the right as evil racist Nazis, 63 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: and then the extremist rhetoric on the right, which views 64 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: the left is godless, baby killing communists, and that we 65 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised that when we have extremist rhetoric like this, 66 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: we don't have extremist actions that follow along with it. 67 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Now that being said, now, hundreds of thousands of people 68 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: in the Capitol last night, if they wanted to pull 69 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that building down brick by brick, they could have done 70 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: it and nothing could have stopped them. So I also 71 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: think we should be temperate and realized that the actions 72 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: it took place in in the commerce in Capital building 73 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: last night was the actions of a very very small 74 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: number of the people who were actually there, most of 75 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: which who waved their signs and and said you know, 76 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: we love you President Trump, and then got back in 77 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: their cars and went back to the suburbs or got 78 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: back on the planes and flew back home. They didn't 79 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: engage in this thing. And the proof of that is 80 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: that the building still there. So the question now is 81 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: whether or not we have a lot of extremism to 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: take over the narrative on both sides of left and right, 83 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: and whether it's time to step back from that and 84 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: start repudiating and distancing ourselves from the extremism they get 85 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: back towards the center of things, which is where things 86 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: really end up getting done in this country politically. And 87 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. And you know, I 88 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: was kind of in the same boat with Jacob yesterday. 89 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: I have no problem with protesting. That's part of you know, 90 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: what we all defended when we all you know, raised 91 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: our hand and stood up in the military. You know, uh, 92 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: we we have Everyone in this nation has a right 93 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: to protest whatever they feel is unjust. And as you said, Sean, 94 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the vast majority of the people that came there, 95 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: that's all they wanted to do. But once that, like 96 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: you mentioned again and and Joe Biden said that directly, 97 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: just a small percentage of extremists changed the whole narrative 98 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: of what was going on there yesterday. Um, you know, 99 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: and and as President Bush, the former President Bush, I 100 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: should say, said last night, you know, we're used to 101 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: seeing stuff like this in Banana republics, not in the 102 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: United States. For them to once they you know, cross 103 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: that line and they stormed the Capitol and then all 104 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: the way to put it, these people stormed it. You know, 105 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: it was such an ugly sight to see in this country, 106 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: and it's embarrassing, it's a disgrace, and you know, I 107 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: was really upset because you know, again, everyone has a 108 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: right to protest. There was nothing wrong with them going. 109 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: Whether you agree with them or not, it's the point 110 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: is they have a right to do that. They have 111 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: a right to call out what they feel is something's wrong. 112 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: You know, with the way the election was being held, 113 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: that's all fine and dandy, but once they crossed that line, 114 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,559 Speaker 1: really upset me to see that in this country because 115 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: we've seen it in so many third world countries and 116 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: I know we've all traveled and you have seen that 117 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: play out, and we've never seen it to that extent 118 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: in this country. Yes, we've had we had the shooting 119 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: in nine four with the Puerto Rican nationalists, we've had bombings, 120 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: but never people storming the Capitol building. And it was 121 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: really upsetting to see that because you know, this is 122 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: not what this country's about. This is not us. As 123 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: a few people were putting out on social media. Do 124 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: you guys think that that what we saw yesterday could 125 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: be classified as sedition? Absolutely, I would call it that. 126 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: I thought, yes, if the if the if the if 127 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: the act, if the acts are involved, if we can 128 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: say that the acts were involved were designed to overthrow 129 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: the government, then yes, that's definitely because that's what sedition is. 130 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Sedition is acts calculated to overthrow the lawfully constituted authority 131 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: of the any government. Um, well, I mean you could 132 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: walk in on a meeting and or something. I don't 133 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: know that a protester during a protester duringing the Kavanaugh hearings, 134 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: which charged with sedition, wasn't there were a bunch of 135 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: people that disrupted the Kavanaugh hearings, which was the business 136 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: of government. I don't think any of those people were 137 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: charged with sedition. I think they were charging with this 138 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: sort of conduct. M hm. So I think I have 139 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: something that's a little more calculating, a little bit more 140 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: far reaching than just you know, protesting or interrupting a 141 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,599 Speaker 1: meeting or something like that. Yeah, I don't think this 142 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: you I don't think you could call this interrupting a meeting. 143 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: This was I think it was more than that. Yeah, 144 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: more than that, you know, and it was it was 145 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: an ugly scene, and they weren't just trying to break 146 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: in to have their voices heard. They were breaking into, 147 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: you know, disrupt and completely take over the building. And 148 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: they did for a short while. And you know what, 149 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: we saw some of those yea whoo's who are you know, 150 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, posing and whatever hanging from the rafters. I mean, 151 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: that's that was just it was beyond the pale. I 152 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: was watching that and I couldn't believe we were seeing 153 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: that live. And as you said, Sean, you know, when 154 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: the rhetoric reaches that point, and we've seen this for 155 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: four years on both sides. I mean, we've seen this 156 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: for for four years. Eventually the lid was gonna blow 157 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: on this, and hopefully yesterday that's was the end of it, 158 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: or the worst of it, I should say, and then 159 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, we'll have to move on from there. But 160 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: it was the doesn't doesn't the bucks stop somewhere? You know, 161 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: and shouldn't it stop with the president? I think that's 162 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: where I get I get caught up, is um the 163 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: President of the United States virtually told those protesters, but 164 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: when they were still protesters, when they were gathered peacefully 165 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: at the ellipse. He pointed down to the Capitol Building 166 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: and said to them, show show them with force what 167 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: what we're made of. And I thought his tweets around 168 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: three o'clock yesterday were really weak. I don't think that 169 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: he came out strong enough against storming the Capitol Building 170 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: and then the rest of the night, obviously he was 171 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: locked down by Twitter, and that that poses a problem. 172 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: We should discuss that. But we you know, we have 173 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: a president who was holed up in the Oval Office 174 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: effectively watching this unfold and in any other circumstance, let's, 175 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, put this in military terms. If you had 176 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: the captain on a navy vessel in the middle of 177 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: a battle, um, disappear into his quarters and not answer 178 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: the door. The XO would have to take command of 179 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: that ship, and um, he would be derelictive his duties. 180 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: So I don't see how we can phrase this any 181 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: other way than the buck stops with the President for 182 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: not taking stronger action and stopping this before it even started. 183 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he could have had that place locked down 184 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: in five minutes. Um, how would you figure he could 185 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: lock it down in five minutes? Well, you would have 186 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: thought that with all of the pre planning that went 187 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: into people gathering there, all of our national security apparati, 188 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: we could have anticipated this, put people on the spot 189 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: to secure the capital, and even if there were they 190 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: were undermanned. We certainly didn't have to wait till six seven, 191 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: eight o'clock at nine to secure the Capitol. And we 192 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: should have just gone in there and force and secured 193 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: that that building. Well, you know, and I think you 194 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: go back to the military and our military experience, and 195 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: if you know that many people are coming in to 196 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: the capital of Washington, d C. For a protest, you 197 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: always have to plan ahead and say what if something 198 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: like this happens. I mean, that's what we do all 199 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: the time. And I find it hard to believe that 200 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: they didn't have these guys already alerted, not saying, you know, 201 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: standing their ground on the Capitol dome, but having all 202 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: of these assets already alerted and standing by and in 203 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: a location where they can get to the Capitol in 204 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes at the most. And they obviously didn't. And 205 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: and to be your point, Jacob, you know, I was 206 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: waiting for the President to come out and say, Okay, 207 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: this is completely wrong. What we're seeing and he didn't, 208 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: And you know, I thought it was really weak sauce 209 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: on his part. His first tweet, and even members of 210 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: his cabinet were telling him, you know, you have to 211 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: put an end to this, you have to tell these 212 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: people to stop. And you know, as as much as 213 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I disliked, I don't I've never been a FANTASIOE. Biden. 214 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: I thought he phrased it much much better. I think 215 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: his tone, I think Biden's tone was was very measured 216 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and um aimed at diffusing the situation, which I think 217 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: was really smart by by pegging this on a very 218 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: small number of extrements and not painting a couple of 219 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people is insurrectionists and terrorists. I think he 220 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: took a lot of the air out of the room, 221 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: which I think was a good thing. I mean, he 222 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: could have thrown a bucket of gasoline on the fire. 223 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: If he had gone the other way. UM, there would 224 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: have been a whole different ball game, I think. But 225 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: I had a few thoughts on the president of this. UM. 226 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: I I want to basically reel back the clock and 227 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: say that one of the things you're doing when you're 228 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: looking at the security measures you're going to take for 229 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: a demonstration like this is to look at past gatherings, 230 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: and the President's had dozens of rallies around the country 231 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: over the last four years, tens of thousands of people, 232 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: and they really haven't been marked with violence by his supporters. 233 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: They haven't you know, burned and looted an assaulted people. 234 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean the opposite is what they typically encounter is 235 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: getting attacked by by Antifa another other anarchists type people 236 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: on their way back to their corners. So I can 237 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: kind of excuse the capital police in the sense that 238 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: they probably didn't anticipate that this would be something that 239 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: would turns of violence. I mean, they had no history 240 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: to go on, whereas if you were planning for something 241 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: for Black Lives Matter or at yeah, there's there's a 242 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: marked said of circumstances in which those demonstrations turned into violence, 243 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: and that you would have to have an ants security 244 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: precautions in that case. I think, look, I think you 245 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: make a great point there, Sean, but I I don't 246 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: think it's a good enough excuse. And what I mean 247 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: by that is this, you know, we we have these 248 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: protests unfold across our country all year long, and we 249 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: watched cities burn, we watched police get you know, called in. 250 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: We watched the National Guard get called in to try 251 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: to quell protests in and around these Black Lives Matter protests, 252 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: UM and other demonstrations across the country this year, there's 253 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: been a lot of chatter about bad actors and infiltrators 254 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: and extremists in the crowd that are creating a mob mentality. 255 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: This has been happening all year, and it's been happening 256 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: longer than that. The officials and the the experts who 257 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: are in charge of this kind of thing should not 258 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: be able to hide behind the excuse that we have 259 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: no evidence to suggest that there's going to be violence, 260 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: when as soon as the violence was over, social media 261 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: exploded with all of these people saying, oh, it was 262 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: actually Antifa guys in their pants planting pipe bombs and 263 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: stealing things. If we knew there are people who are 264 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: bad actors, who are extremists, who are infiltrating these peaceful 265 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: gatherings and this has been happening, you know, long before yesterday, 266 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: then law enforcement should have been ready to stop that. 267 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: They should have had plain closed officers in that crowd 268 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: to try to control it. Maybe they did, but it's 269 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: still too early to know. But I just think that making, 270 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, making a defense of of previous behavior in 271 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: a situation like this is a little thin um. For 272 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: all we know, there could have been non Americans in 273 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: that crowd, and we we could be feeling the effects 274 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: of an infiltration on our capital far into the future 275 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: from from yesterday's actions. Right now, it's easy to talk 276 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: about American citizens taking up arms and walking into the capital, 277 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: and we can have a conversation about patriotism and the 278 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: constitution and freedom. But this becomes a very different conversation 279 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: if there's you know, espionage taking place at the same time. 280 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: And and to say that because previous protests didn't turn violent, 281 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: or because Trump supporters are not prone to burning down 282 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: buildings the way BLM protesters are is a is a 283 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: weak argument for not having type of security there. Well 284 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: in rebuttal, I would just state the obvious. The reason 285 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: why we're all sitting and watching this thing and complete 286 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: shock is because nobody expected it to happen. Good point, 287 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: not in our capital. Again, I go back to, you know, 288 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: when when they started to storm the capitol, m I 289 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, where is your quick reaction team 290 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: of Capitol Police or whoever a t F guys FBI 291 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: I I I was shocked that nobody was on call. 292 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: You would think that in the basement of the Capitol 293 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: they would you know, hey, you always plan for contingencies, 294 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: and you know, we're not gonna put anybody out there 295 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: because that might incite the crowd. But we're gonna have 296 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: these guys standing by, you know, maybe in the basement 297 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: somewhere in case something does happen. And I think it's 298 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: unconsfortable for for people not to have planned for that, 299 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: because you know, like Jacob said, we've seen this all year, 300 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: and it doesn't say I mean that, you know the 301 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: people that all the people in Portland were violent, they 302 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: weren't at the same time. And you know, we've seen 303 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: some pictures of these bad actors that we've seen that 304 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: all these protests and what made people so convinced that 305 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: they weren't going to show up for this? I think, 306 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, when you're looking at and again, the buck 307 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: stops with the president and even his his video which 308 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: was deleted later on, you know, he sent a complete 309 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: wrong message and I don't know, it's just it was 310 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: horrible it was hard. You made it storry to catch up, Steve. 311 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: But Shawn made a really interesting point to me. Earlier 312 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: we were discussing the fact that the President's Twitter account 313 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: got locked down and and how that account is his 314 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: conduit for speaking to the American people, not the mainstream media, 315 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: and um, Sean, I wonder if you'd just tell me, 316 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 1: you know, more about that thought process with regard to 317 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, the big tech argument, having shut down his 318 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: Twitter at a time when he could have stepped up, 319 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: and you know, it seems to me, well he didn't 320 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: just get that video that he put out, which um 321 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: as I recalled him and we we played the recording 322 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I think yesterday when we were all alive watching this thing. 323 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: Um it called for his demonstrators to basically you know, 324 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: obey the police and bailed laws and you know go 325 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: home this time to home. And then Twitter took that 326 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: video down, but soon did Facebook and YouTube. So that's 327 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: to me, it seemed like they were a complete cross purposes, 328 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: almost seemed calculated to make things worse. I mean, you know, 329 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: as the president needs to say something, so the president 330 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: says something in a d platform it which was like, what, 331 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: it's crazy and The point I was making before was 332 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: that this was one of the things that the media 333 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: was absolutely apoplectic about with President Trump is and he's 334 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: really the first Twitter president, the sixty million followers. As 335 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: soon as he tweets the story or a tweet, it 336 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: goes at the sixty five million people, which no media 337 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: outlet has an audience that pick. And they told them 338 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: crazy because once upon a time president will hold a 339 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: press conference. You wouldn't see that on TV. You would 340 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: just be told later on what the president said through 341 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: the filter of the networks, and he took that away 342 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: from them, which is the thing that you can see 343 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: them just go nuts over because they can't filter the guy. 344 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: So here are in a crisis. You've got to a 345 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: riot and basically at the Capitol Building and the president 346 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: tries to make an appeal for calm and they take 347 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: them up so we can't do it, which was to 348 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: be nuts um, but it also tells you that, you know, 349 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: the social media platforms usually have their own thing going 350 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: in their heads. Um. It may not be necessarily the 351 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: smart political or tactical move and dealing with a riot, 352 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: but it's but somebody made that call between Facebook and 353 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Twitter and YouTube pretty much all at the same time. Well, 354 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: they've been doing that to him. They've been doing that 355 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: to him for quite a few months now. That's not 356 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: anything new. Yeah, they've they've been deleting his tweets and 357 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: for months and um, you know it's funny. Are one 358 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: of our guys just shared a u Instagram message and 359 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: it said the guy with his hands on the nuclear 360 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: codes has now been deemed too dangerous to have a 361 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: Twitter account. Yeah, yeah, he can't have aunt What could 362 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: he do? I mean, he could do terrible things. Well, 363 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, Steve, that's a It's a 364 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: great thing to bring into this conversation, which is this 365 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: wasn't just an American thing that happened last night. It 366 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: wasn't just the eyes of the American public observing this 367 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: this event. This was the world watching. And I think 368 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: that's something that is really easy to misplace when we're 369 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 1: talking about the president, his platform, his base, how he's 370 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: conducted himself in office. Um, you know, he's done a 371 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: lot of things with his administration in the last four 372 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: years that many people can agree with. And he's negotiated 373 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: deals and he've done things that a lot of people 374 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: say we're great for our country, but last night the 375 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: world watched as the seat of our democracy was stormed 376 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: by a violent mob. Now, it doesn't matter who was 377 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: in that mob. It really doesn't. At the end of 378 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: the day, every country and and the thing that really 379 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: pisces me off is that every third rate third world 380 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: leader out there, every dictator, and every tyrant and every 381 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: wannabe now has dirt on us and can rub this 382 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: in our face for a very long time. Now that 383 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: might be a really dramatic way of putting it, but 384 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: we lost a lot of clout because, uh, you know, 385 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: a peaceful transfer of power has always been the difference 386 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: maker for the American democracy. Now I am heartened, and 387 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: it's surprising because you know, Vinman came on CNN, I 388 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: think today or um, you know, I don't even know 389 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: what time it is anymore, but he came on the 390 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: news today and he he said that our democracy was successful. 391 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: You know, hours after this insurrection into the Capitol Building, 392 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: congressmen and women were on the floor carrying out the 393 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: actions of the Electoral College vote, ratifying that vote, and 394 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: like it or hate it, at the end of the day, 395 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: we saw our democracy survive this. You know this violence. 396 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: So you know, we are successful in the long run 397 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: in holding on to our democracy and our constitution, but 398 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: it hasn't earned us any street cred when it comes 399 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to dealing with all of our alleys, allies and enemies 400 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: across the world. I think that's a good one, and 401 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know that we can really avoid that. I mean, 402 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: they watch the world watches everything we do right down 403 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: towel television shows and let them watch the difference between 404 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: us and everybody else as you put everything right up 405 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: on the storefront window for everyone to see. We don't 406 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: hide it um and I don't think that should be 407 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: something that we change. And this is the effect of 408 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: the First Amendment. We are, I think, the freest country 409 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: in the entire world when it comes to freem of expression, 410 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: and other countries do not have that. So this is 411 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: one of those This is how far it can go 412 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: off the rails to have a First Amendment, right, but 413 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: even did it really dangerous slippery slope to start talking 414 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: about First Amendment when we're seeing a violent action on 415 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: the state capitol building, like country's capital building. I mean, 416 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: I think that to call this First Amendment amendment issue 417 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: is a really dangerous thing. Well, no, I'm trying to 418 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: say that. It's that it's a function of being the 419 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: freest country in terms of free of an expression in 420 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: the world. But this is something that can happen. It 421 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: can't happen in Iran. They shoot everybody before they got 422 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: to the States, right and right. You know, with this 423 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: whole thing with the president with big tech, it goes 424 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: back to his his argument. I mean they they've been 425 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: stifling his messages for months, and yet the Red Chinese, 426 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: the Iranians, all these terrorist groups. I never hear of 427 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: their their accounts being suspended for five minutes on Twitter. Right, Well, 428 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: I mean Facebook, Uh, tell me the last time you 429 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: know al Qaeda or you know al Shabab, one of 430 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: those you know terrorist groups isis I've never seen them. 431 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: I mean maybe I'm wrong, you can correct me if 432 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: I'm wrong there, but I've never seen them suspended. Well, 433 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: I think that's because we checked the U. R l 434 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: s back so we can draw and strike. They maybe 435 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: way of looking at it, maybe we want them to 436 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: tweet and be on social media so we can track 437 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: them back to their computer in a cave somewhere. Put 438 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: a j dam down on top of them. But but 439 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: but to side with the devil for a minute. Um, 440 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: these social media platforms Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, they're not 441 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: there for free speech. Their commercial enterprises and there to 442 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: make money. So where free speech conflicts with their monetary interests, 443 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: free speech can sway. And I think that's what we're 444 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: understanding about it. And this was something that Congress brought 445 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: up when they had you know, Zuckerberg in there. Uh, 446 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, when when does it becomes because of the 447 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: size and the scope of these social media companies, because 448 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: they're not just there for commercial there there you know, 449 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: controlling what goes out as information and that. But it's 450 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: not a commercial enterprise because you know, when you're in 451 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: the middle of a political campaign, they're not allowing one 452 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: side to air their woes, so to speak, regardless of 453 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: whether you believe the president is a blowhard or not. 454 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: You know, well, that would that would be why I 455 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: would I would not give them the kind of protections 456 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: that they currently enjoy. Um by claiming that they don't editorialize, 457 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: if they pick and choose information that is allowed to 458 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: be disseminated on their platforms for purposes of monetary gain, 459 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: they were just like a newspaper or magazine or like 460 00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: we did, but they hide behind that. You know, your 461 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: your sports talking to somebody about something wrong with baseball 462 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: and they tell you it's a it's about it's about 463 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: the money. And then you talk about the money and 464 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: they tell you it's all about the sport, you know, 465 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: and they go back and forth between the two, and 466 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's that's what these social media platforms do 467 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: as well. So I agree. If they're going to um 468 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: sensor material for interests that are related to their commercial 469 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: reputation the commercial game, then they function like a newspaper 470 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: or a magazine or anything else and can be sued 471 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: for for stuff that they deal with that content, you know. 472 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: I think this is I think this is a really interesting, 473 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, aspect of this whole event. And this is 474 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: what Section to thirty is all about. This is what 475 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: people have been saying with regard to the Communications Act. 476 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: This is this is at the heart of it is 477 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: the way we consume information. It's mainstream media, it's the 478 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: echo chamber of Facebook and Twitter, and it's how this 479 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: stuff gets co opted by both sides to tell a 480 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: narrative that is not necessarily the truth or the full truth. Um, well, 481 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: I think that's important, and I think that's uh, definitely 482 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: something to discuss for years to come with regards to 483 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: how we manage journalism and manage these these platforms. Uh. 484 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, we have a situation that is largely uh 485 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: nuts and bolts. We have a group of people storming 486 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: this building and we lose control of the building while 487 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: hundreds of congressmen and women are inside conducting a vote, 488 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: a crucial vote to ratify the results of our general election. 489 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: This there couldn't be a more important moment uh in 490 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: our democracy than than what we saw yesterday. And we 491 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: saw more action from Vice President Pence and Acting Secretary 492 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: of Defense Miller then we saw from Pennsylvania Avenue. And 493 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: it's it's disheartening to me. Um. You know, Sean, you 494 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: you've got an earful from me this morning. But I 495 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,239 Speaker 1: just feel like we we've all been hoping that you know, 496 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: the rhetoric and the politics and the campaigning and all 497 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: of the trappings of modern American politics today would not 498 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: pierce through into the functioning of our government and that 499 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, senators could walk out of 500 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: the rotunda and they could give a press conference on 501 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: the sidewalker on the steps and their party allegiance and 502 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: there you know, whole interests, their special interests or whatever. 503 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: All that stuff could be part of the political trapping. 504 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, our politicians are 505 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: going to get the job done because democracy must live on. 506 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: And I think the thing that's shaken me so much 507 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: is that it really felt last night like at any 508 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: moment that through line of democracy could stop. And that's 509 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: the I mean, we we've seen the status all over 510 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: the social media and mainstream media. It's the first time 511 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: since eighteen fourteen that we've we've had an attack on 512 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: our capital. It's the first time in US history that 513 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: the Confederate flag has walked through the US capital. I mean, 514 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: it's it's insane, it's insane. But to your point of that, 515 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: without Congress reconvened and carried out its duties and certifying 516 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: the electoral books, um the Defense Secretary happen to protect 517 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: the capital. I mean, the government still worked. So whatever 518 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: if they thought that marching into into the House Chamber 519 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: was going to stop everything from the happening, obviously that 520 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: that didn't happen. The Republic still functioned. And you know, 521 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: Dad and nobody can be got on the phone. Things 522 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: still work. So that's how the government works. People who 523 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: understand what their duties are under the Constitution, as as 524 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: Pence expressed yesterday, still act under that under that duty 525 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: to the Constitution and carry out their role, which I 526 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: was very gratified to see it didn't paralyze the whole country. 527 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, they don't want to call into question. I mean, 528 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: I mean they're talking about it now. They're talking about 529 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: the twenty five and they're talking about impeachment and UM, 530 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: you know, for the listeners, Amendment UM. Essentially doesn't Pence 531 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: taking over the country yesterday, UM and leading Congress through 532 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: those votes. Um, isn't there a lapse in leadership from 533 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: the president And shouldn't we be talking about who's in 534 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: charge right now? Well, I would say that I don't 535 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: know that Pence took over the country. Pence was acting 536 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: as the president of the Senate yesterday. But I'm absolutely 537 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: positive that UM Defense Secretary Miller didn't just acting a latterly. 538 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: The president has jurisdiction over the District of Columbia. That's 539 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: a federal proper, that's a federal reservation. Well, you know, 540 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: it's It's funny because the earliest reports we heard was 541 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: that the Capitol Police asked for the National Guard and 542 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,720 Speaker 1: the Pentagon said no. You remember, that was the early reports. 543 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: The Pentagon said no. And I'm wondering if Miller had 544 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: contacted the White House and that his initial reaction was no, 545 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: We're not going to send the DC National Guard in there. 546 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: Because the President is the commander of that. He has 547 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: a final say on that on the d National Guard. 548 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if, because what happened, you know, we 549 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: saw unfolding further and further that he was convinced to 550 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: allow that to happen after the act. Yeah, I'm pretty 551 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: sure for that kind of deployment, in that kind of situation, 552 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: you would absolutely have to have the president's consent and minimum. 553 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: I can't imagine Miller just acting like you know, latterly, 554 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: not touching the That's what I'm saying. I'm curious if 555 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: that was what what transpired, because you know, we saw 556 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: the initial reports that they had asked for the DC 557 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: National Garden, they were told told no from the Pentagon, 558 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,919 Speaker 1: which means that the Pentagon can't say no, it has 559 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: to come from the president, you know. So I'm wondering 560 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: if that was the case initially, and then somebody, either 561 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: the Vice President, even though they said he did not 562 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: talk to the president, UH, the vice president or the 563 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense convinced them that they have to do this, 564 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: and that's when the National Guard was called out. But 565 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: it was much later. Well, I don't know. There may 566 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: have been a jurisdictional thing there about who would be 567 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: in charge of that effort. Maybe it was something they 568 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: went for. The President said, look, in this situation where 569 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: we're talking about the capital being breached, UM, you know, 570 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 1: the command and control laership come from the Pentagon, since 571 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: it's an insurrection, since we're judging this is insurrection rather 572 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: than protests, and because it's the capital and not a 573 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: bunch of private businesses in DC, maybe that's it. Maybe 574 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: there's some maybe some line away the chain of commands 575 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 1: cross on that. They wondered two about Mayor Bowser's decision 576 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: to to roll out the curfew, and I think that came, 577 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, just after three she made that announcement, UM, 578 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: and we saw on live TV, UH police move in 579 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: and secure the Capitol building right around six o'clock. And 580 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: I think it was you know, shortly after eight that 581 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: they had the building secure, they had found uh pipe bombs, 582 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: and they had cleared cleared those and cleared the building 583 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 1: from any other stragglers. The but you know, it does 584 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: suggest that perhaps uh nothing was happening, and so Mayor 585 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: Bowser had to step up and say, well, the least 586 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: thing I know, the least I can do is put 587 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: a curfew in place, and maybe that will help dissipate 588 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: the crowd and give law enforcement who are on scene 589 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: a reason to to break up a protest that against 590 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, further out of control. Well, as far as 591 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: I know, the Capitol Police are distinct and different in 592 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 1: their jurisdiction from the District of Columbia police. Those are 593 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: like different police forces with different jurisdictions. But I could 594 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: see from a crowd control standpoint, once the Capitol police 595 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: chair closed, everybody push everybody away from the Capitol. Now 596 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,760 Speaker 1: what do you do with all these thousands of people? 597 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,479 Speaker 1: So the mayor had an interest in closing the city 598 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: down at night to make sure that whatever was happening 599 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: at the Capitol didn't spill into the private businesses and 600 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the city. So I think she was 601 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: just acting under her own sort of local authority in 602 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: that case, then the thing with the two bombs was 603 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: in thing is because I understand it, both of one 604 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: was placed at r NC headquarters in d C. The 605 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: other was placed that d n C headquarters in d C. 606 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: Both of them pipe bombs, and why maybe what was 607 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: a suspicious package I think for one of the Republican 608 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: headquarters was a pipe on left next to the side 609 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: of the building. So essentially that both of them basically 610 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,880 Speaker 1: got bombs, which is kind of odd. So it's a 611 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: it's a wonder about what those what those persons, whose 612 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: those actors were, and whether they were the same person 613 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: or same persons who planted bombs in both locations. This 614 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: is it's kind of an interesting thing. It is an 615 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: interesting thing because it does it does separate us, you know, 616 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: just just that fact alone, and I understand it's much 617 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: more nuanced situation, but that fact alone suggests that we 618 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: have a group of people that are acting not in 619 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: allegiance to political party, but in an US versus them mentality. 620 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: And it's very similar to what we've seen in all 621 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: over the world where these things, these breakdowns happen. Um 622 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: it is a mob of people who are anti the 623 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: government proceedings. However, however you slice it, so you know, 624 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: the fact that bonds will put in both sides, um, 625 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, perhaps suggests a group of people that are 626 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: feeling really fed up with the government in general. And 627 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: that is not you know, Republican and Democrat red versus blue, 628 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: but but perhaps a real struggle between our political system 629 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: and the people that are feeling left out in the cold. Well, 630 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: if we're going to I mean, that's a point that 631 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: I think you can make. Um. And if we're going 632 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: to say that there's a there's a goople people out 633 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,919 Speaker 1: there who do not have an ideology that is either 634 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: Republican or Democrat, then what is that ideology? Um? Is it? 635 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: Is it? Trump? Isn't the president doesn't have an ideology. 636 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: He's a populist. That's a that's a different thing than 637 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: being a Republican or a Democrat to be a popular 638 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: um coming into a completely different way. And if it 639 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: was just about trump Ism, well, you know, is that 640 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: really an ideology? Because if he won a second term, 641 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 1: he gets fours, then it dies with him. It's God, 642 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: there's no more Trumpism because Trump can't hold office again. 643 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: So it is something I hope that they look at 644 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: and try to figure out what's what's this alternate ideology 645 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: that's out there that there's neither Republican or Democrat. What 646 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: is it? Is it? Is it something completely alien and 647 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: foreign to the two political parties? Does it come from 648 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: outside this country? Is a communism? Is it Marxist socialism? 649 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: Is it something else? Maoism? What is it anarchy? So 650 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely something I hope that the FBI is 651 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: looking you too, is what is this ideology? And that 652 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: kind of brings us around to the the woman who 653 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: was killed in the Capital um to the thirty four 654 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: year old fourteen new year Air Force vender. Her name 655 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: was um Ashley Barrett Babbitt Babbitt, and she was shot 656 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: killed by single gunshot wounded by a by a lieutenant 657 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: the Capitol Police as she tried to climb through the 658 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: broken glass of a doorway into the into the House 659 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:27,479 Speaker 1: of chambers. And when you look at this person standing back, 660 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: this is this is not the profile of a radical. 661 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 1: So the question that we should be asking ourselves is 662 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: how does somebody like this who appears to be a 663 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: soccer man from the suburbs from San diego Um turned 664 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,399 Speaker 1: into this radical who's busting windows and trying to handle 665 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: the house chamber as while there while they're deliberations. She 666 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 1: just doesn't the profile what we imagine a radical violent 667 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: extremist debate. So that's another thing we should be looking at, 668 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: is the is the person that we don't expect to 669 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: be a radical turned out to be a radical and 670 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: how does that happen? What radicalized them? And I do 671 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: think that there's something to the something in case to 672 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: be made for the extremist language that we've been hearing 673 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: the last four years, that the extremism of one side 674 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: breeds the extremism on the other side, and everybody is 675 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: sort of growing in this extremist outlook, and then you 676 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: end up with violence like this. So maybe it's looking 677 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: into the abyss here we need to decide whether we're 678 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 1: going to jump off the edge or whether we're gonna 679 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: step back from this and work more towards the middle 680 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: and and push aside the radicalism on both sides of 681 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: the political spectrum, because I do think the future of 682 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: the country very much depends on I don't think we're 683 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: going to descend into chaos and civil war in the 684 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: next two years. But it seems like we're on this process. 685 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: The Civil War didn't start in with the election of 686 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. It was something the seeds for which have 687 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,480 Speaker 1: been planted much earlier. It has been a conflict between 688 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 1: pro and anti slavery forces that existed basically from the 689 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: inception of the country in seventeen seventy six, when we 690 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: declared it's always there was always a matter of contention, 691 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: the biggest one in the country. Now we have so many. 692 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: Now it's not we don't have one issue in this country, 693 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: like slavery. We have a dozen at which people are 694 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: completely at loggerheads, completely at opposites about what they believe, 695 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,160 Speaker 1: and there have to be someplace in the middle for 696 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: the rest of us. We can't be drawn to the 697 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: extreme left into the extreme lights. That has to be 698 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: something in the middle for us as Americans, because I 699 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: think that's where most people live in their heads. I mean, 700 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: on the writing staff. We don't have any crazy rackles 701 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: saying yeah, burn it all down. We're all like, what 702 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: in the world happened here? I think most of the 703 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: people in missfect we sit in the middle, shake their 704 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: heads and go, wait a minute, what in the world. Well, 705 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: I want to I want to jump from that point, UM, 706 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: jump off that point and ask Steve a question. UM. 707 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: And it's really a question for all of us, and 708 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: I would like for us to go through it. But 709 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,240 Speaker 1: it makes me wonder about leadership. It makes me think 710 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: about our time in the military, um, which is a 711 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: very different experiences in the military. But I think all 712 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: of us can look to this situation and think about 713 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: the next fourteen days. What do we need? What do 714 00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,399 Speaker 1: we expect from the leadership in our country? And that's um, 715 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: the White House, that's Congress, UM, and that's you know, 716 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: our our spiritual and community leaders as well. What do 717 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: we need in terms of leadership as we look at 718 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: the next two weeks, um. And let's take into consideration 719 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: national security. Let's take into consideration the fact that the 720 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: mimits is sitting in the Persian Gulf right now because 721 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: we had a credible threat from Iran. Now, you know, 722 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't feel very rosy about the picture when I 723 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: contemplate the the massive amounts of people on this planet 724 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: that would love to see us fall into that abyss. 725 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: And I think that we're we are at a crucial moment. 726 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: We saw our politicians rise to the occasion last night 727 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: and finished the vote. And however you voted, and however 728 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: you feel about the results of that vote, the fact 729 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: that it was completely last night is a shining moment 730 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: for our democracy. Um, but we still have a ways 731 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: to go before we can hopefully heal and close that abyss. 732 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering what you guys feel about what needs 733 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 1: to be done from a leadership standpoint. Well, speaking for myself, 734 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, when we look at what 735 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: transpired the last night, it gave me hope that I 736 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: think both sides saw we were teetering on the edge 737 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: of anarchy here, you know, in this country, because you know, 738 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,400 Speaker 1: we've been flirting with that for the past four years, 739 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: and we saw that what can happen? And I think that, 740 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, I think both sides took a big reality check, 741 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: a big reality pill last night and went on and 742 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but I'm 743 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: hopeful that this will be the end of that kind 744 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: of divisive talk. I mean, we can still disagree left 745 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: and right, Democrat, Republican, but we can disagree the way 746 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: we traditionally have and still keep the country's best interest 747 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: at heart at heart. And I think what we saw 748 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: last night, Now obviously that was a knee jerk reaction 749 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 1: to what what happened, but I think a lot of 750 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,319 Speaker 1: people saw what transpired yesterday and and realize that it's 751 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: time that we start putting that kind of talk behind 752 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,880 Speaker 1: us and we start getting back to the business of 753 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,479 Speaker 1: running this country the best way that we can. Hopefully 754 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: that was the worst what we're gonna see, and we're 755 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: gonna start seeing people pull back together. These next couple 756 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: of weeks will be very interesting, um because I think 757 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: the President has made it clear that he's going to 758 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: transition over to the Biden's but he hasn't loosened his 759 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,400 Speaker 1: rhetoric whatsoever. And I'm wondering if that is going to, 760 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, cause any more heartburn before this this transition 761 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: is over. And it said, you know, we're at a 762 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: dangerous time right now because so many people are abandoning 763 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: ship on this current president and you know, a lot 764 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: of our leadership positions are bare right now, and a 765 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: lot of our enemies are watching this and wondering if 766 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,719 Speaker 1: this is the time that they can strike. And I 767 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 1: don't put it past some of the bad actors that 768 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,719 Speaker 1: are out there. Um, you know, so, I think it's 769 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: time for Congress. It's time for people in this country 770 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: to put all that rhetoric behind him and start putting 771 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: our heads together and getting back to what made this 772 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: country great and not what's in tearing it apart. I 773 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: would offer on the last point you made about our 774 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,719 Speaker 1: enemies watching and thinking whether this would be a time 775 00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: to strike, I think we're actually a more dangerous country 776 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,360 Speaker 1: when we're like this, because we would be prone to 777 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,280 Speaker 1: miscalculating will react. And if I was sitting in the 778 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: equivalent of the Joint chiefs of staff in China, Iran 779 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: or North Korea, I would say tweaking these guys now 780 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: is a bad idea. They could do anything, and and 781 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: when a country like this is in some political turmoils, 782 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: this may not be the best time to act directly 783 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: against them. Maybe against one of our allies or one 784 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: of our other interests, but against us directly be a 785 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: very ill advised move. Um. They could find themselves in 786 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: an enormous trouble very quickly. As far as the p 787 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean enormous trouble. I agree with you, Sean, but 788 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: I think enormous trouble means enormous trouble on a global 789 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: scale at this point in history. Um. We we we 790 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 1: are not uh in a world where we can press 791 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,080 Speaker 1: a button or send a bomber or you know, a 792 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: drone strike into a place and not have second and 793 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: third order fourth order effects ripple across this globe, um, 794 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: you know. And and your point about it being a 795 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 1: bad time to mess with us under scores in my opinion, 796 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: the need for us to have a real sober conversation 797 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: and a real you know, uh, come to Jesus moment, 798 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 1: if you will, about the leadership in this country, um, 799 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 1: and the responsibility to the American people to keep them safe, 800 00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: but also to the global citizens where who would suffer 801 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: from you know, a second strike? Uh, if it came 802 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: to something about intense I'm reminded of Admiral Stockdale, you know. 803 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: I think his words about um prevailing in times of 804 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,800 Speaker 1: crisis is a really interesting message for us right now. Um, 805 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: James Stockdale the POW and Vietnam is that famous quote 806 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: he says that you must never confuse faith that you 807 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 1: will prevail in the end, which you can never afford 808 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: to lose with the discipline to confront the most brutal 809 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: facts of your current situation, whatever they may be. And 810 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: I think that's where we're at. I think we've got 811 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 1: to wake up and we've got to see. You know, 812 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,880 Speaker 1: Russia is licking their lips, China is licking their lips. 813 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: Uh Iran is licking their lips. Not to mention reminding 814 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: us now that democracy has slipped through our fingers in 815 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form um. But we're we're exposed. 816 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that, um, you know, a strike on 817 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 1: a US basin in the Green zone right now might 818 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: result in a you know, tactical submarine launching some rockets 819 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,520 Speaker 1: is a pretty scary one. Well, I maybe I didn't 820 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,879 Speaker 1: make my point clear. Um, I think what would happen 821 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: if some foreign country acted upon us in some way, 822 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,320 Speaker 1: it would be it would have a unifying effect on 823 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: the country. And if I was advising footing or something 824 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: like that, said, look, if you hit him now in 825 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,440 Speaker 1: the middle of this devisive this, you're just going to 826 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 1: unify everybody. So let this thing play out. Let's see 827 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: what happens. But if you launch an attack on him 828 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,880 Speaker 1: and kill a bunch of Americans, all the focus is 829 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: going to change from their internal focus and just in 830 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,080 Speaker 1: dispute to hating on us and all of that rage 831 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,520 Speaker 1: and ang and they're feeling right now what has other 832 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: been directed on us. This may not be the best 833 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,839 Speaker 1: time to do it. That's that's what my thinking is. UM. 834 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,800 Speaker 1: Going into the next thirteen fourteen days before UM president 835 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: like Biden takes you all of us, I suspect that 836 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: the President is probably going to be a bit more 837 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 1: tempered in the things he says. Uh. And my reasoning 838 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: for that is is I don't think the president wants 839 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: to have his presidency remembered for this. I don't think 840 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,759 Speaker 1: this is what he wants to be remembered for. UM. 841 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: I think what animates the president more than anything is 842 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: to be liked in praise. I think that is his 843 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,759 Speaker 1: prime moving motivation and the things he does. He wants 844 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: to be given credit for good things that he does. 845 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 1: I mean he wants to avoid the credit or blamed 846 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: for the things that don't work out very well, for 847 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: bad decision. So clearly in this case, the rhetoric that 848 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: he's been using about the election being stolen and things 849 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,799 Speaker 1: like that is as resulted in radicalizing his base, which 850 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: I think had something to do with this demonstration and 851 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,879 Speaker 1: later riot at the Capitol, and I don't think that's 852 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,400 Speaker 1: what he wants to be rementable. So I think we 853 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,640 Speaker 1: saw a hint of that in him saying that we're 854 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: going to have a peaceful transition. He's going to work 855 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: with with President Biden. Biden to hand over the power 856 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,200 Speaker 1: to him peacefully without a lot of difficulty. What I 857 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: think we may see, what I didn't think we're going 858 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,080 Speaker 1: to see before, is President Trump and President by the 859 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200 Speaker 1: most saying and putting together shaking hands when the oath 860 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,880 Speaker 1: of office is administered. That may be that may happen, 861 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,800 Speaker 1: or pictures of them shaking hands at the Oval office 862 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: um after the after the deed has already done. Because 863 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,879 Speaker 1: I think what happens is president doesn't go to the inauguration. 864 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: Maybe not. I think I think the new president goes 865 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: down Pennsylvania and please the President's House and then they 866 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,400 Speaker 1: just sort of hand over the keys and and you know, 867 00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,239 Speaker 1: presidential bowling. Boss. So, Steve, what do you think? I mean, 868 00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,799 Speaker 1: you think there's a presidential baton pass in our future here? 869 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would hope, so, I mean, I 870 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: would hope for the good of the country that we 871 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,160 Speaker 1: would see that. Do I believe that's going to happen? No, 872 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: I probably don't. I I don't believe that this president 873 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: is going to take the high road. And you know, 874 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: do the baton pass as you put it, which is 875 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: it's an app description, because that's basically what it is. 876 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,680 Speaker 1: You're passing the baton over to m and now for 877 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: the next four years that his leg to run um 878 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: but our new betting pool. It's gonna be our new 879 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: bedding pool. On that is, whether it will be a 880 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,320 Speaker 1: smooth transition or or not. I don't see it happened. 881 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 1: I I hope it would. I would hope that that 882 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 1: that's what we're going to see. I don't have high 883 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: holds for that. We dropped our point about the invoking 884 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,320 Speaker 1: the Amendment. You want to go back over, Yeah, the 885 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer called for Mike Pants to invoke the amendment 886 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: and basically deposed the president speaking of coups. As long 887 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,680 Speaker 1: as we're on the subjective of the amendment wasn't written 888 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 1: for that. You know, twenty amendment was added to the Constitution, 889 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: and the purpose of it was to ensure a smooth 890 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 1: succession in case of a president resigning as in the 891 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,359 Speaker 1: case of President Nixon, or a president being incapacitated by 892 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 1: either a serious medical condition or even a temporary one 893 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: like he's another around a seizion. George Bush had I 894 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,319 Speaker 1: think Colin policy or something removed, and the twenty fifth 895 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,279 Speaker 1: Amendment he invoked. He told Congress, ay, I'm going to 896 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 1: be in a segure percent allows and incapacity, unable to 897 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: carry out my duties as or I want to vice 898 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: president take over for me. And Congress had approved that. 899 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: And then when he came out of the segar another 900 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 1: letter with the Congress saying Okay, I'm back at Field, fine, 901 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,799 Speaker 1: and then he resumed his powers. Um what else? Um 902 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,680 Speaker 1: sudden death in office? John Kennedy died in office. Rouugh M. B. 903 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: Hayes was assassinated. They've been Lincoln was assessinate office. So 904 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,959 Speaker 1: the amendment was there also to ensure that if something 905 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,280 Speaker 1: like that happened, that a that the second in command 906 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: of vice president would be immediately able to assume the 907 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: powers of the presidency. Now, in this case, you have 908 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,799 Speaker 1: people upset about the leadership of President trumpet decisions he's made. 909 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,520 Speaker 1: Amendment really doesn't apply to that because a mental incapacity 910 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,239 Speaker 1: at some time would be something like what happened to 911 00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,880 Speaker 1: Woodroll Wilson. They have stroke. He's laying in bed, and 912 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,759 Speaker 1: they didn't invoke it right away. They waited several days 913 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,200 Speaker 1: to see if he would come out of it. They 914 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,600 Speaker 1: didn't actually revoke it um and then they did because 915 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, he's not coming out of it. So 916 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,840 Speaker 1: if you had some kind of medical finding that the 917 00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 1: president was incompetent by dementia, Alzheimer's stroke, something like that, 918 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,800 Speaker 1: then you could have the vice president and the cabinet 919 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,279 Speaker 1: jointly deciding together, Okay, this the person that's not able 920 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: to carry out his duties as the president, and he 921 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,920 Speaker 1: has to be replaced. Now. They sent a letter of 922 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,839 Speaker 1: Congress and they said, look, this is what we think 923 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,759 Speaker 1: is going on. The president can't remember what he had 924 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,360 Speaker 1: from lunch, and he falls asleep in the meetings and 925 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,840 Speaker 1: he says that you know, orange cats are sitting on 926 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: his head and he's lost it. Now the president in 927 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,759 Speaker 1: that situation to turn around and said a letter of 928 00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,200 Speaker 1: the Congress and say, no, I'm fine, sent some people 929 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: to examine me. I'm fine, I'm absolutely fine, And they 930 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,920 Speaker 1: would have to cons have to send experts there to 931 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: them to evaluate is sanity or lucidity or whatever, and 932 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 1: then advised Congress on it. So it doesn't work as 933 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: simply as the president and vice president and cabinet just 934 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: because of the President frum saying okay, we're you know, 935 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: we're sending you back to to your home and Marlaga, 936 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: we're taking over, because that itself would be a good 937 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 1: congicisefool proof, and they have to give give notice to Congress, 938 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,280 Speaker 1: and Congress I say, okay, fine, go ahead, and then 939 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,880 Speaker 1: they can do it. So it's not as simple as 940 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 1: just you know, you have to leave, we're taking over. Well, 941 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, Sean, I like how we've you know, battled 942 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: one another today because for our listeners, Sean and I've 943 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: been talking about this all morning, um, going back and 944 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: forth and trying on different ideas and really trying to 945 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of this. And since we spoke 946 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 1: this morning, one of the things that I was looking 947 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,760 Speaker 1: at was, you know, in the military, we're taught that 948 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,200 Speaker 1: we're uh, it is our duty to disobey an unlawful order. 949 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,080 Speaker 1: And I bring this up because in the context of 950 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:07,360 Speaker 1: a military action, this becomes the gray area where we 951 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: have investigations about whether somebody committed a war crime or not. 952 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: This is the gray area where we look at whether 953 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,960 Speaker 1: or not somebody deserves the Medal of Honor because they 954 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,240 Speaker 1: went against the order and saved a bunch of lives. 955 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,600 Speaker 1: So we have these these things written into our our 956 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: codes of conduct in the case of the military. You know, 957 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: this idea of disobeying an unlawful order. I think if 958 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: we thought about the Amendment in the same light, and 959 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,760 Speaker 1: we said, in history it's been utilized in this way. 960 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: The president goes under anesthesia, and therefore the vice president 961 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: has to have the trappings of control, and if something 962 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 1: should happen, well, you know the president is under Um, 963 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: we've never experienced what we're experiencing now. And it leads 964 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 1: me to this point of, you know, a real thought experiment, 965 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,280 Speaker 1: which is, you know, if the nuclear codes, uh, we're 966 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,320 Speaker 1: on the table and there was an order to to 967 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,720 Speaker 1: strike uh one of our enemies right now, how would 968 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,439 Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense Miller, how would General Milly? How would 969 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: these guys in the Joint Chiefs and the other people 970 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 1: responsible for our military respond to something like that? And 971 00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,919 Speaker 1: could we make the argument, could could the American people 972 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,840 Speaker 1: could our politicians an argument that the president's behavior over 973 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,520 Speaker 1: the last twenty four or forty eight hours has demonstrated 974 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: his inability to carry out the office, his inability to 975 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: protect the constitution of the United States, and his inability 976 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: to rise to the occasion as a leader of the 977 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,720 Speaker 1: American people. UM. In those in the circumstances of the 978 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: major issue like a nuclear strike, Um, this becomes a 979 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 1: real gray area and is something that we don't have 980 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: a good answer for. And the fact that we don't 981 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,480 Speaker 1: have a good answer for it doesn't mean we shouldn't 982 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,080 Speaker 1: war finding a good answer for it. Um. There's that 983 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,920 Speaker 1: great movie from several years ago, Denzel Washington, Gene Hackman, 984 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Crimson Tide, and they deal with this exact situation of 985 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,800 Speaker 1: the grade they get the they get half in order, 986 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,960 Speaker 1: and they don't know whether to launched their nukes or 987 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,280 Speaker 1: wait for you know, go to periscope depth, depth, and 988 01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,120 Speaker 1: and finish the message from the Pentagon, and the EXO 989 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: takes over the control of the ship, and um, of course, 990 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, drama ensues. But the point being, uh, this 991 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: isn't a matter of whether or not the president is 992 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,760 Speaker 1: going under anesthesia. This is a matter of whether or 993 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 1: not the president over the next thirteen days could pull 994 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 1: our country and several other countries into a mass of 995 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,800 Speaker 1: war or conflict that's going to result in the deaths 996 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: of hundreds of thousands of people on the planet. And 997 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: I don't think it's something the President just picks up 998 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,280 Speaker 1: the phone and says, okay, nuke North Korea. It's usually 999 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:02,320 Speaker 1: something that certainly not certainly not. My point is in 1000 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 1: bringing that up and bringing up you know, Crimson Tide 1001 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 1: as an example, uh, is the idea that we are 1002 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:12,360 Speaker 1: in an unprecedented, uncharted position. We are enough in a 1003 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: spot right now in our nation's history that we have 1004 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: not had to deal with before, and all of the precedent, 1005 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,560 Speaker 1: all of the things that have happened with the five 1006 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: or being impeached or a coup, all these things that 1007 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,920 Speaker 1: they're important to talk about, but they don't provide us 1008 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: a Cookie Coulter answer for what we're experiencing right now. 1009 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: And the thing that I I am grasping for as 1010 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: we review what's happening all across the news and as 1011 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,560 Speaker 1: this continues to unfold, is where is the leadership and 1012 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 1: where does the bucks stop? I don't I don't feel 1013 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,520 Speaker 1: personally that the president upheld his duties to the office yesterday. 1014 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,240 Speaker 1: And I don't. But at the same time, I'm not 1015 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,160 Speaker 1: sure that that's enough to you know, have them bagged 1016 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and tagged by the Navy field. So uh. I mean, 1017 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,160 Speaker 1: John Kennedy, he only got us into a war with 1018 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: the Civiet Union of the Cuba. I mean that came 1019 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: awfully Clubs. It was the Russians to blake, not us, 1020 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: And we could have looked at John Kenny and said, 1021 01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,880 Speaker 1: oh my godness, me les got us into a nuclear 1022 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,040 Speaker 1: war over over Cuba. Um. And we found out later 1023 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: that Castro was very much in taylored on telling Chris 1024 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Jeff go ahead and now, um do him hit him first? 1025 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: See what do you what do you think? Yeah, I 1026 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,400 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't see them invoking this because I 1027 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:32,640 Speaker 1: think it will just make the situation worse. And I 1028 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,600 Speaker 1: think that, you know, if Vice President Pence, I thought 1029 01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:42,120 Speaker 1: sounded very good last night. He took a very measured response, um. 1030 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 1: And I thought he reached across the aisle. And I 1031 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: think that Democratic leaders recognized that last night. And I 1032 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: think if he was to take that step to invoke 1033 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,920 Speaker 1: the amendment I think it would make things out of 1034 01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,160 Speaker 1: a lot worse than they are right now. And because 1035 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, people got to remember that's seventy two million 1036 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,280 Speaker 1: people in this country voted for the guy that's in 1037 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,160 Speaker 1: that office for the next two weeks, so for them 1038 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: to you know, say, Okay, yeah, he messed up royally. 1039 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,520 Speaker 1: I think we're all in agreement there of how he 1040 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: handled that situation. But is it going to do our 1041 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: country any good removing him two weeks out? And I 1042 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,440 Speaker 1: think the answer and that is a resounding note at 1043 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 1: this point. So yeah, if you want it is, if 1044 01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,400 Speaker 1: you want his supporters calmed down, this isn't the way 1045 01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, this isn't going to calm them 1046 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,120 Speaker 1: down in knocking the amendment and jerking him out of 1047 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 1: the chair. That that is not going to make things better. 1048 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,600 Speaker 1: And I also think that the people asking for this 1049 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,080 Speaker 1: are not interested in making things better. You know, Chuck 1050 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,280 Speaker 1: Schumer is pursuing his own personat I don't think what 1051 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: he's thinking about first and foremost is this is his country. 1052 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I think he's thinking of his himself and his own interesture. 1053 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: I think those are really great points. And I and 1054 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,640 Speaker 1: I you know, I like the Schumer point, and I 1055 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: think that that's the political fallout for these politicians is 1056 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,120 Speaker 1: factoring into their decision making without a shadow of a doubt. 1057 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,959 Speaker 1: I mean, we're seeing that last night, Um, we're seeing 1058 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,920 Speaker 1: that today people are guarding their political cachet uh in 1059 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,800 Speaker 1: their decision making. The thing that is going to keep 1060 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,120 Speaker 1: me up at night is the fact that we all 1061 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,120 Speaker 1: and it's clear from dcent Police uh to to Mike Pence, 1062 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:37,320 Speaker 1: none of us anticipated people taking over the Capitol building 1063 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,520 Speaker 1: last night, and nobody anticipated what unfolded. And we can 1064 01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,320 Speaker 1: place the blame wherever we want, But the question remains, 1065 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 1: if the unprecedented and the unimaginable is happening before our 1066 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,680 Speaker 1: eyes and the President of the United States is not 1067 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: taking the reins and being complete control of the of 1068 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,160 Speaker 1: the security of our country, who are we looking to 1069 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 1: for leadership and what do we do for the next 1070 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,920 Speaker 1: couple of weeks while this guy paging around the over 1071 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: law office. I think we are the leaders of ourselves. 1072 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,920 Speaker 1: If the three of us were standing at that trunk 1073 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 1: rally yesterday and heard the speech to movie gave, would 1074 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,760 Speaker 1: any of us three then take up the torches and 1075 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: go and storm the Capitol the three of us no, 1076 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,040 Speaker 1: and that is because we are probably not predisposed to 1077 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:30,200 Speaker 1: do so. I think the actions that we saw in 1078 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the Capitol yesterday were not the actions of you know, 1079 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: mine and strones who heard coded word instructions in the 1080 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,440 Speaker 1: president's speech and then we're activated. I think these were 1081 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 1: people who had this kind of anger in themselves for 1082 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: quite some tough and that may be the thing we're 1083 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: really a misunderstanding in this whole thing in the media, 1084 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 1: um in the responses on social media, is the level 1085 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,040 Speaker 1: of anger and upset that an awful lot of these 1086 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 1: people feel, and what it's about and how it's been directed. 1087 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,320 Speaker 1: So I think that's one of the things that should 1088 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,800 Speaker 1: also be looked at, is these people are, where are 1089 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: they coming from mentally? And how did they get themselves 1090 01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,600 Speaker 1: to this point in their heads where they are bashing 1091 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,160 Speaker 1: down the doors of the Capitol building and storming the 1092 01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,800 Speaker 1: house chambers and getting themselves shot or beaten by the 1093 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,280 Speaker 1: Capitol police. What put them in that mind? I don't 1094 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,920 Speaker 1: think it was all trunk. I think it's a combination 1095 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of things, a lot of them. I 1096 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,880 Speaker 1: think that's a great point, and it's probably time for 1097 01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,200 Speaker 1: us to wrap this thing up. 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