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Speaker 1: I'm Angela Yee.

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Speaker 2: Jazmine Brand is here with me, and we have doctor

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Speaker 2: Tricia Bailey here with us today, the author of Unbroken,

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Speaker 2: which is your memoir. But I mean, I have to

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Speaker 2: say this because how could I not but the riches

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Speaker 2: to making born women seven hundred million dollars net worth.

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Speaker 2: And I'm only saying that because you can google it.

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Speaker 3: It's public knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's public knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Does it feel weird to hear her say such big

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Speaker 3: numbers like that, Well.

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Speaker 4: It's actually a billion, but a billion, okay, it does.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: It does. In the space I'm in, It's it's almost

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Speaker 4: like surreal, like I function, like, how can a little

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Speaker 4: girl like me that came from such meager beginnings be

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Speaker 4: in the space. So but I know why I'm here now.

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Speaker 4: I'm here to help and to inspire and to elevate

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Speaker 4: these people who look like me.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you how important that is for

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Speaker 2: people who are listening, because, like you said, the beginnings

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Speaker 2: of your life, you know, you actually were born in

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Speaker 2: to make it. You came to the United States, to Hertford,

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Speaker 2: Connecticut when you were thirteen years old. Thirteen is that correct. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So what kind of major change? And I know I've

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Speaker 2: read the book, but in case people haven't, what was

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Speaker 2: that like for you? Just that huge shock from coming

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Speaker 2: from Jamaica where you felt very loved, even though you

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Speaker 2: may not have had a lot of financial blessings at

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Speaker 2: the time, coming to the United States. But people look

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Speaker 2: at that it's like, this is the dream to come

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Speaker 2: to the United States and we're going to be successful

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Speaker 2: and happy.

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Speaker 1: What was that culture shock like for you?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Wow, it was a ginormous culture shock. You know.

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Speaker 4: When I was growing up, it's we were just happy

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Speaker 4: kids and we didn't we didn't even know we were poor,

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Speaker 4: Like I didn't know we're poor, because it was like

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Speaker 4: we were surrounded by some beautiful love from my grandmother,

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Speaker 4: my aunt, her husband, my cousins were there. And then

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Speaker 4: when I came, they told us that the rules were

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Speaker 4: paid with Goal in America.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I l meant, dog shit, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Land in JFK. And we were like my sister and

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Speaker 4: I looking out like, okay, this stinks. Where's the goal?

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Speaker 1: They fixed the airport, yes.

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Speaker 4: And so in my second day here in the United States,

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Speaker 4: I wanted to walk because We walked through and a

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Speaker 4: half miles of school in Jamaica, and walking and running

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Speaker 4: was just a natural thing that we did. So I

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Speaker 4: wanted to walk to school in Hartford. And so the

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Speaker 4: second day I got lost. I got out of school

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Speaker 4: at one fifteen and I didn't get back to the

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Speaker 4: house until nine, ten o'clock at night.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, on the second day, can you imagine what

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Speaker 4: And I'm walking and I saw this man and I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, I asked him, you know, can he help me?

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Speaker 4: He first, the first one put me on the bus

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Speaker 4: and he was supposed to bring me to Laurel Street,

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Speaker 4: but they dropped me off of Laurence Street.

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Speaker 1: She had a bit of a patois at of course.

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Speaker 4: Of course, so after I got off that, after I

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Speaker 4: got off the bus and I'm like, I'm still lost.

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Speaker 4: I don't know where I'm going. And I saw another

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Speaker 4: the apartment building that I was living.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds so dangerous by the way, like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Have known, right, But it's coming from such being innocent,

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Speaker 4: like the community raised you in the small town of Woodland.

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Speaker 4: And that first night was the first night I experienced

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Speaker 4: the worst thing that can happen to a child. When

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Speaker 4: I came home, my mom said, go kiss your father

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Speaker 4: good night, and what he did there after was beyond atrocious.

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Speaker 4: So I don't want to give away with the book

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Speaker 4: for anyone, but.

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Speaker 1: It was the start father too, not sure my stepfather.

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Speaker 4: It was a start of my nightmare, right.

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Speaker 2: And the book really does start off with that, And

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Speaker 2: so it was even hard for me because I had

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Speaker 2: already met you when I read the book to read

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Speaker 2: that because the fact that as a child you could

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Speaker 2: people who are listening can have some type of idea,

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Speaker 2: and you know about this book is that you definitely

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Speaker 2: did not hold back. You know, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: But it also I.

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Speaker 2: Think can be very necessary for people to understand the

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Speaker 2: trauma that can come with something like that, like talk

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Speaker 2: to me about that and deciding what to put in

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Speaker 2: and why so detailed and why that was important for you.

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Speaker 4: So that was intentional because when I was going through

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Speaker 4: my nightmare, I read Oprah Winfrey's autobiography and she had

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Speaker 4: went through similar or the same trauma that I went through.

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Speaker 4: And when I saw that she was able to overcome

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, well, if she can overcome this, I

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Speaker 4: can also overcome this. And so when I started writing

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Speaker 4: the book, I wanted to make sure that whoever in

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Speaker 4: going through trauma or looking for the signs of what

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Speaker 4: that looks those predators look like, they will be able

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Speaker 4: to see it in my book, so that hopefully it

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Speaker 4: can save at least one person. If I have saved

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Speaker 4: one person from experiencing this life or healing themselves, I

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Speaker 4: have done my work. And I have because my job

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Speaker 4: is truly to help others. That's why I wrote the book,

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Speaker 4: is to help people not only to overcome the trauma

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Speaker 4: and have the resilience that and mental fortitude that they need,

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Speaker 4: but also to show them how what it looks like

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Speaker 4: to build themselves from ground zero to in the space

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Speaker 4: that I'm in right now.

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Speaker 3: In the book, you have lots of those moments of

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Speaker 3: where you're bearing or soul, you're being super transparent, were

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Speaker 3: you was there one instance in particular, I guess you don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to want you to go too far

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Speaker 3: into because you don't want to ruin the book. But

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Speaker 3: was there one situation where you're like, maybe that's a

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Speaker 3: little bit too much to share, or you know, at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of writing, it's like, I'm just gonna tell everything.

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Speaker 4: No, there were actively two. There are two incidents. So

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Speaker 4: the two of them were and I could I usually

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Speaker 4: talk about those two, one of which was I didn't qualify.

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Speaker 4: yukon Oka, and yukon't end up giving me an opportunity anyways,

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Speaker 4: even though my SAT scores didn't qualify, and I was

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Speaker 4: just like, I'm doctor Tricia Bailey. I can't let them

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Speaker 4: know that at my SAT scores, I wasn't smart enough

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Speaker 4: I was talking to my good friend C. K. Mofford,

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Speaker 4: who was a writer of the book, and he said,

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Speaker 4: I said, I have a secret, and he says, your

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Speaker 4: secrets are never secrets. Is the big ones you tell everyone,

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Speaker 4: but the small ones you are like their secrets. So

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Speaker 4: So I decided I was going to go ahead and

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Speaker 4: put that in the book, because you know there's some

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Speaker 4: like I am. So that was one and the second

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Speaker 4: one was a suicide attempt because all the other things

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Speaker 4: that happened to me, someone did it to me. So

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Speaker 4: these two things, the things that I could not do,

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Speaker 4: I had. I went in the dark space that I

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Speaker 4: felt like I couldn't come out of it. But then again,

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Speaker 4: I said, you know what, I don't want another person,

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Speaker 4: that I was, So if they see that I'm able

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Speaker 2: Read about that suicide attempt, I thought that, you know

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Speaker 2: the manual, I thought he did something to you when

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Speaker 2: I was reading it, because I you know, you ended

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Speaker 1: So then I was like, is that what really happened?

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Speaker 2: Or did somebody do because like you said, you know

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Speaker 2: I don't know. For some reason, you talk about the

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Speaker 2: strength and the resilience that you've had, but that's just

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Speaker 2: sometimes it's a breakdown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes a breakdown. Sometimes you get that place that

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Speaker 4: I really hope that whomever read my book right will

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Speaker 4: know that they actually can, that there's always light no

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Speaker 2: Like no, Doctor Chisha Bailey, I want to ask you

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Speaker 2: this because as a young girl, you were very unprotected.

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Speaker 1: Even your mom.

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Speaker 2: You did attempt to tell her what was happening in

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Speaker 1: You that you were a liar. Right have you ever

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Speaker 1: after that?

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Speaker 2: You've never had a conversation with her about any of

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Speaker 2: what transpired and if she because there's no way, like

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Speaker 4: So I struggled with that. I struggle with that a lot.

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Speaker 4: And because whether she knew or not know, I don't

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Speaker 4: I still don't know the answer.

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Speaker 1: You did tell her so.

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Speaker 4: So well I told her later on, So I had

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Speaker 4: all the memories of how I was going to tell her,

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Speaker 4: and I told her later on when I was about

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Speaker 4: found out the full details the same time everyone did

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, and what did she say?

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Speaker 4: We never talked about it, really.

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Speaker 3: So how did you know that she because she.

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Speaker 4: Read the book. She read the book? Oh interesting, Wow,

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Speaker 1: Want to talk to her? Do you feel like you

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Speaker 4: You know that that's a really good question. I'm not

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Speaker 4: sure because I have moved to the place of complete

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Speaker 4: forgiveness for everyone who has not supported me when they

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Speaker 4: were supposed to support me, who have not loved me

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Speaker 4: when they were supposed to love me, And we're in

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Speaker 4: a really good space right now. My mom and I

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Speaker 4: and I don't even she's not she's a Caribbean woman.

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Speaker 4: They don't like to talk.

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Speaker 2: About those heads because you know, I would her reaction

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Speaker 2: when reading that, I'm sure for her that's also she's

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Speaker 2: be shared. You know, culturally, we don't talk about those things.

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Speaker 2: And it's really just about like keep your head down,

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Speaker 1: Now you're successful. And so it's kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody feels like they did what they were supposed

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I am actually am everyone says, how are you

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Speaker 4: I'm in touch with what is his name, Devin?

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Speaker 2: Right that billion dallas don't help, don't hurt.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't money, but you know that I that out there.

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Speaker 4: No, it's like mine was one hundred and seventy dollars

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do it all this more, come out.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some money talk too, all right, because

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Speaker 4: Of all the wrong reasons. I wanted to go to

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Speaker 2: in Hartford to going to Yukon.

442
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 4: So Yukon was so I was recruited by every Division

443
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 4: I school in the country for track, for track, and

444
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,240
Speaker 4: you know, I went to my recruit trip with Yukon.

445
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm not going here. My friend, my

446
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 4: good friend Ray Allen was one of my hosts at

447
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 4: the time. I went to Morgan State for one of

448
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 4: the recruit trips. I see all the cues and they

449
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 4: were dancing and doing all they do what they do.

450
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm coming here. So Yukon accidently ended

451
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 4: up taking a chance on me. And you know, one

452
00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 4: of the reason I ended up going back and doing

453
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 4: a huge, large donation to the university because.

454
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Speaker 1: The largest donation they've ever gotten.

455
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Speaker 3: I know, I saw that.

456
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, And the reason why I did that

457
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,960
Speaker 4: is because from a young girl from urban Hartford that

458
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 4: most people would count out. Most people did count me out.

459
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 4: They took a chance on me. And because they took

460
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 4: a chance on me, it was the start of my

461
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 4: level my life, a successful life. And so that's the

462
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 4: reason why I went back and did a donation. So

463
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 4: it's pretty much changed my life. It's changed my life

464
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Speaker 4: for the positive and to be in the space where

465
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 4: I am now and then.

466
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Speaker 1: Just even for you going on the path that you

467
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: are now.

468
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Speaker 2: So first when you get out, you at some point

469
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: you were a stockbroker, yes, right, and so that's not

470
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: an easy space to be in, and especially being.

471
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: Like a black woman and a woman too.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a woman and a black woman as a stockbroker.

473
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Speaker 2: What was that experience like for you, because there were

474
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Speaker 2: a lot of times you were in those spaces where

475
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Speaker 2: you were certainly the only one or one of few.

476
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you kind of kind of set me up

477
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Speaker 4: for that role So that's the other part, you know,

478
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 4: loving the university in my alma mater, when you are

479
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 4: an athlete at University of Connecticut, because you know it's

480
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: the only there's no professional sports in Connecticut. So when

481
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 4: you're an athlete at Yukon, usually jobs will give you

482
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 4: an interview and it's your responsibility to actively sell them,

483
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 4: to sell them to this place. So I became the

484
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,239
Speaker 4: youngest stockbroker in the history of the company, twenty two

485
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 4: years old, and I was the only black woman in

486
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 4: the New England for Smith Barney. And I knew that

487
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Speaker 4: I belong so a lot of people at me. So

488
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: when you're the only one there, how do you function?

489
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: How do you navigate? I always knew I belong and

490
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 4: being belonging there, I have to make sure that I'm

491
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 4: better than every single person that's there. So I gave

492
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 4: it everything that I had. I was in the I

493
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 4: was always the first in the office at six am

494
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: most nights. I didn't leave until eleven o'clock at night.

495
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Speaker 1: What kind of life did you have outside of it?

496
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Speaker 4: None?

497
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Speaker 2: None, none, And that I always look at that as

498
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Speaker 2: like we've seen like the Wolf of Wall Street and

499
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Speaker 2: just the.

500
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Speaker 1: Environment to be in what was that environment.

501
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 2: Like as far as like, because I always look at stockbrokers,

502
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 2: it's like the crazy partiers doing all kinds of cocaine

503
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Speaker 2: and stuff.

504
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is that life. I remember back

505
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 4: that when I saw always joke and says, you know

506
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 4: the man they are it is either this person's on

507
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 4: coke or this person is on this drugs or doing

508
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: this drugs. And they will say to me, so what

509
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 4: are you. I was like, well, I'm the man euser.

510
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 4: So rug that was my drug. But if you when

511
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Speaker 4: you see people who don't look like you and you're

512
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 4: adapting to the environment, For me, I had to because

513
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 4: that's all I knew. All I knew was to work.

514
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 4: When I watched my grandmother walk twenty five miles to

515
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 4: the market and sell the produce and walk back twenty

516
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 4: five miles every Thursday, is like, it give you a

517
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: kind of level of work ethic that and tenacity and

518
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: the ability to overcome that you can't even imagine, right,

519
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: And so I knew that my responsibility is to be

520
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 4: the absolute best. And because I'm obsessed with finishing and

521
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with being successful in the process. My sister

522
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: tells me that my superpowers. I'm fast. I'm fast with

523
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 4: everything I do.

524
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Speaker 1: Running, learning, okay.

525
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: And then eventually you left there, and then you ended

526
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: up getting into the pharmaceutical business. So talk about that

527
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 2: because that has been highly lucrative for you.

528
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 4: Oh yes, So when I left, when I left being

529
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 4: a broker, I knew that. At this point, I'm like,

530
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 4: they give you the clients because the hardest part in

531
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: being a stock broke is fine and the clients we

532
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: have money. And when I realized they give you the clients,

533
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, I have all the skills in the world

534
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: to be the absolute best. So when I transitioned to

535
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 4: t Cato Pharmaceuticals, I applied the same skills that I

536
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: had as a broker. So now I had the discipline

537
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: that had the financial literacy. So I started doing my

538
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: MBA because the job wasn't enough work for me. So

539
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 4: I hilarious. So I started doing my MBA and the

540
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: company was paying for my education.

541
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Speaker 1: You might as well.

542
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 4: So what I did during that time, because I already

543
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: had the financial literacy, I had lots of money saved

544
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 4: them from being a broker. But then I wanted to

545
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: continue doing more, so I took my student loans and

546
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 4: I used them to flip houses.

547
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Speaker 1: She sh and then I got she knew to do

548
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: all this because you're the first person in your family

549
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: to even go.

550
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: To college, right, Yeah, so for you to have all

551
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 2: of this knowledge. And look, it's not that they, like

552
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: you said, your grandmother walked twenty five miles to the

553
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 2: supermarket once a week to get food for the whole family,

554
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: and to barter and to bring food and to do

555
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: all of those things. It's not that people didn't work hard,

556
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: but you were able to work hard in a different

557
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: type of space.

558
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, and smart, very lucratively smart. So that's why I

559
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: say save, discipline, save, and then learn financial literacy. That way,

560
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 4: you know how to invest that money. And because I

561
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 4: went from saving and had the discipline, and now I

562
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: had the financial literacy because I was taught that from

563
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: being a broker, now I'm able to invest in that

564
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: own end, the stop market, the real estate market, and

565
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 4: various investments. So I would never recommend if someone taking

566
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: their student loans to do investments unless you know really

567
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,239
Speaker 4: well to do what you're doing, because that could go

568
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: completely side. Yes, you could have it more dead, yeah,

569
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: even more dead, and you don't want that. You want

570
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: to come out on top.

571
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Speaker 1: And then the entrepreneurship part happened for you.

572
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 4: And the entrepreneurship happened. So I was I had got

573
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 4: promoted into the second company I was with. I was

574
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: finishing my doctorate degree at the time. I had my MBA.

575
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: I was number one in the company. I had every

576
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Speaker 4: award that they can give out in the company. And

577
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 4: so they promoted me without a formal interview, and they

578
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 4: usually do a formal interview for promotions. And so when

579
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: I got to California, they had approved all the things

580
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: I could do. When I got to California, my boss

581
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 4: had lunch with me the first day and he looked

582
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: at me. He says, oh, I didn't know you're black,

583
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: And I said, I said, yeah, I'm black. Yeah, not

584
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: thinking anything of it because I mean, why would that

585
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 4: even matter?

586
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: Right?

587
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: And a week later he started disapproving. Everything that was

588
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: previously approved still happened. And at that point, Devin, the

589
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 4: character in the book Devon, he said to me, why

590
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 4: are you working for someone? You have all these degrees?

591
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: Right.

592
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: See, he may have been useless in other ways, but

593
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: he was useful. Yeah, and you took that.

594
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 4: And I tooke it and I take it and ran

595
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: with it. And I started my first company, which was a

596
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 4: medical recruiting company, and it became extremely successful in the

597
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: first six months. I mean I literally worked my tail off.

598
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: I was maybe three four hours maximum sleep. I was

599
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: working because I was on the West coast, so I

600
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: will get up at five am, known as eight o'clock

601
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 4: on the East coast, and I'll work until one o'clock

602
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: in the morning. And I was back at it again

603
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 4: at five am every and you had.

604
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: Your daughter with you this whole time too.

605
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes people who you know moms feel like they can't

606
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: fathom how can they manage to do this? How did

607
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: you manage to do that having a young daughter and

608
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: then you had a son.

609
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this time I did not have my son.

610
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 4: I just had my daughter. But she was on my

611
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: hip everywhere I go, so everything I was doing sometimes

612
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 4: i'll have her. I mean I remember breastfeeding, putting my

613
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: makeup on, whatever it is I needs to get done,

614
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 4: I was doing it.

615
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: When did you ever feel bad?

616
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: Because I know Jazmine, she has a two year old,

617
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: and sometimes she feels guilty, like even if she's gone

618
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: for the day, she feels. So I'm like Jazmine, yeah,

619
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, because it is a difficult thing to.

620
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: Know, I have to I never felt guilty. I'm sorry,

621
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: you go.

622
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

623
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 4: I didn't feel guilty because she was with me so

624
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 4: much and everything I did, I always had her with them.

625
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: She's with them. That's why she don't feel guilty. Yeah.

626
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 4: So I always had her with me, so I had

627
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 4: we were it was just us. It was me and her,

628
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: like you know. And so I didn't end up feeling

629
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: the guilt because I knew she was learning. So because

630
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: I will see her, she has her little computer and

631
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 4: she's like this, I'm there. And then she was like

632
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 4: so she was. She was mimicking everything that I did.

633
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: But I didn't know if I was being a good mom.

634
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: But that I questioned, I was like, am I being

635
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 4: a good mom? I don't know if I'm doing this right.

636
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: But now that I see my baby, oh my god,

637
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 4: she's just kind of complete joy. She's graduating next year

638
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: from University of Florida, Okay, and she is an artist

639
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: and she's just blooming. And I'm like, I was a

640
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: good mom. I want good mom. I did it right.

641
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: I'm surprised, but I did.

642
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: Look, I also want to talk about your investments too. Now,

643
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: let's talk about your investments in some of these sports

644
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: teams because people may not know about this. So how

645
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: did this even come about?

646
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 4: So it's basically you have to be invited into being

647
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 4: a minority owner for vera sports team. And so there's

648
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: a group basically like private equity group that comes together

649
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 4: invite you in to be one of the investment. So

650
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: that's how So I can't walk in these arenas and

651
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: be like, oh, I own your team?

652
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: Right?

653
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 2: You can't, right, But but you can't put in the bio.

654
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: Let's see what are the teams sold on?

655
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 4: Because I had a list a few of them, right, Yes,

656
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: the Charlotte Hornets, the Atlanta team, Atlanta Hawks, and Seattle.

657
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: Do you go to the games? Do you have a

658
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: team you likes that I do?

659
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: I actually go to Magic that so I have four

660
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: seats in the in the Magic Game, and I sometimes

661
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Speaker 4: forget that I'm not supposed to cheer for the Magic

662
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Speaker 4: so I'm supposed to cheering from my team. I'm like,

663
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to. I'm charing against my own self interest here, But.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, if they gave you the floor sea.

665
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: You would be chearing there too, right, okay, right, But

666
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Speaker 2: when it comes to your book, Unbroken, what are some

667
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: things that you've heard from people? First, I want to

668
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: ask you what you've heard that people have taken from it,

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Speaker 2: and then I want to know what you yourself got

670
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Speaker 2: from writing this.

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Speaker 4: So what people have been the consensus. They say that

672
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Speaker 4: I help them to share their own trauma and to

673
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Speaker 4: go get help. Yesterday I met a young man at

674
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Speaker 4: Yukon and he was just so excited. I was like,

675
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: I thought that. I was like, who are you so

676
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: excited about? And he said that he started EMDR therapy

677
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: and he said he has never been in a happier

678
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: place he has ever been in his life.

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Speaker 1: That's great. We might got to try this.

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Speaker 3: I think I got to.

681
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was like tens thousands of dollars.

682
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Speaker 2: She said, one's seventy her session with Okay, go ahead, we.

683
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Speaker 4: Got one seventy and so consensus across the board. People

684
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: tell me you have helped me heal. You've given me

685
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Speaker 4: the energy of healing. You allow me to see that

686
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Speaker 4: I can overcome my struggles and I can also let

687
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Speaker 4: go and forgive. They also tell me that they have

688
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: also seen. I have had one story, actually a few stories,

689
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: and said, I was so inspired. I wanted to buy

690
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Speaker 4: a building. But I don't know what to do with

691
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Speaker 4: a building, but I just need to know I want

692
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: to buy a building. And I thought that was so

693
00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 4: across the board. Is either there inspired, they are empathetical,

694
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: or it is helping them with their own personal lives

695
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: and their own personal trauma to share it and to

696
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: have the necessary conversations to be able to overcome.

697
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Speaker 1: And what did you get?

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Speaker 4: What did I get? I get to know that I

699
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: am doing my calling, I am living in my purpose

700
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Speaker 4: in helping others. So when I hear stories like these,

701
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 4: it refuels me because I know the reason why I

702
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: wrote it. I wrote it so and I was raw

703
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: because I wanted each person who is experiencing any of

704
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 4: these things or a combination of these things, to be

705
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: able to know that they can truly be successful in

706
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Speaker 4: their endeavors and they can overcome and they can see

707
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Speaker 4: their light at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you know earlier you made a

709
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: joke about being a manizer, And do you feel like

710
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: you were looking for love, like to be loved or

711
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: things that were lacking in your household.

712
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: Oh yes, oh yes, Because the thing is, like, you know,

713
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: when you're a traumatized person, all you want is to

714
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: be loved. That void of whatever was stolen from you

715
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 4: that you weren't cared for and loved. That's all you're

716
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: looking for. So I've always been like this hopeless romantic.

717
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: I pour my whole self into every relationship, not just males,

718
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: females and friends as well. And I was searching for

719
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: that person who I can give everything to the way

720
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: I give my business and my business gives it back

721
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: to me. I was looking for that person to be

722
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: able to pour my whole self into and they mirrors

723
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: me and give it back to me. And I finally

724
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: now I'm at that stage where actually I have that.

725
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Speaker 1: So are you you're married now or engaged?

726
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: I'm not married or engaged.

727
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. You know what I'm saying. I

728
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: had to ask. It's a life partnership ring Okay, life partnership.

729
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm with that. Is it hard though? For you today?

730
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Speaker 2: Just knowing that, like somebody could google you and see

731
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: you're worth a billion dollars, you know, I said, seven

732
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: hundred million, a billion whatever, But is that hard to

733
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Speaker 2: know that, Like somebody can look it up and be like, Okay,

734
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: she's beautiful, but she also got that cash.

735
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Speaker 3: She lit.

736
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Speaker 4: So yes, yes, yes, And I thank god I'm not

737
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: happening to date now because because it was a problem, right,

738
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 4: But most people didn't know who I was, and I

739
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: became public when I did a donation to Yukon, not

740
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: for my my doing. As a matter of fact, I

741
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 4: told him to keep it private.

742
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: And we don't know what then is we don't know about.

743
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: They already disclosed it. So how much it's fifteen million? Okay?

744
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: So I wanted to kind of stay under the radar

745
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: because I've always just kind of kept my head down

746
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: and the public doesn't know who I am, and then

747
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 4: I became public. So I met him very early on

748
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 4: in the stage of of of when I became public.

749
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: But he also is the same as me. He's equally

750
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 4: financially open and he's equally successful people. Yeah, imagine it fits.

751
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 4: And his family is just like mine.

752
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: Amazing.

753
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Speaker 2: I love that for you, thank you, thank you for

754
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: me too. I love it well, doctor Tricia Bailey. I'm

755
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: broken it's available now, and I tell you, guys, like,

756
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: you have to read this book and it's going to

757
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: put you through some things.

758
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Speaker 1: You know.

759
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Speaker 2: But I also feel like we love the fact that

760
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: we can see you sitting here and know how the

761
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: story ends, you know, up until now, I feel like

762
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Speaker 2: there will be another book that's going to be like.

763
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Speaker 3: Or maybe we'll see this on the big screen or

764
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Speaker 3: the small screen one day. I feel like it's definitely,

765
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Speaker 3: it's definitely worth it.

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Speaker 4: I've been I've been hearing so many pretty much everyone else.

767
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 4: Everyone read the book.

768
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Speaker 2: They will play you as a youngster, Hailey Bailey.

769
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Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking, like, not just depend on

770
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Speaker 3: what age. I was thinking like a Tiana Taylor. I

771
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: was thinking, I think would be good.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gotta it could be even somebody. But

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Speaker 2: I feel like we need a track star, like a

774
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: young Yeah.

775
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Speaker 3: It's somebody we don't know. Let's let's you know, cast

776
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: something we do some some new fresh.

777
00:34:53,960 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: Anybody who feels like thing that definitely can be done.

778
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I know you're working on documentary now.

779
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: Yes Innovations in Connecticut. So I was one of the

780
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: four most successful people who graduated from Yukon. So they're

781
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 4: doing a documentary now and it's filmed yesterdays and it

782
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: was pretty interesting. I had to go back to the

783
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: apartment that I came to when I started.

784
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Speaker 1: A Nightmary, how did that fail?

785
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't know I was going to start

786
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: crying on camera, but I did so in the morning,

787
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 4: I said, well, I guess it's a test to see

788
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 4: how heal I am. But it doesn't necessarily mean I'm

789
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 4: not healed. But because you know, the memory is still there,

790
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: it's just not it doesn't affect me the same way

791
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: that it used to affect me. So I started the

792
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 4: story and the experiences of walking home from school and

793
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 4: crying when I'm walking home from school because I was

794
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: so afraid to be home. And then we went to

795
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: the next apartment where you know, the worst thing that

796
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 4: can ever happen to a child will happened. And then

797
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 4: I transitioned to my high school on the track, and

798
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 4: then I found my happy place again.

799
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Speaker 2: Yes really right, and not just running but running and

800
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: winning like winning running to success. Well again, thank you

801
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: so much, and we're definitely going to stay in contact.

802
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I told her.

803
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: I went to Wesleyan, so that wasn't that far from Yukon.

804
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: So we had some fun conversations about that.

805
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was cool.

806
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, well, look we got our rich friend.

807
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: But honestly, it is a pleasure to be able to

808
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: talk to you. And you are definitely a role model

809
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: for anybody who is watching this to know that you

810
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: can make incredible things happen, and you certainly have and

811
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Speaker 2: so we appreciate you and we celebrate you and thank

812
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: you so much.

813
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: Thank you the honor to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: Guys, it's way yep and Angela ye