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Speaker 1: no stealing angels anymore. Yeah, so Jen and I entered

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430
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432
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433
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434
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435
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Speaker 1: I had moved to Austin. That's what happened. I had

436
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437
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438
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441
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442
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443
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444
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445
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446
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447
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449
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450
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451
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452
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456
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457
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458
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459
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460
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462
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463
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464
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465
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466
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467
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468
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469
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470
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471
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472
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475
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476
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478
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Speaker 1: the Tory Observatory Observatory. Yeah. And so did they pay

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Speaker 1: you up front? No, it's all based on your place

550
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552
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Speaker 1: mostly probably got a good paycheck. Yeah, you don't get

553
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Speaker 1: fifty to start God, and then you get great and

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Speaker 1: everybody got the same. There was no nobody's more of

559
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Speaker 1: a star. No, but then you got paid the longer

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Speaker 1: walk away like a cool mill? No? No, but it

563
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Speaker 1: was a lot great. So wait, so that show do

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Speaker 1: you get paid based on week to week challenge? The

565
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Speaker 1: challenge based on just your place? Like that? When the

566
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Speaker 1: show has wrapped up? What place did you finish it?

567
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Speaker 1: So you get no money until the end pretty em

568
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Speaker 1: though they give you like pretty em to eat and stuff. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so at the end and you get where you finished.

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Speaker 1: We got fourth place the first time, in second place

571
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Speaker 1: the second time. So the first time we should have won.

572
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Speaker 1: So fourth place? Does that make six six figures? If

573
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Speaker 1: you win, you win a million dollars? Okay, but I'm

574
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Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm talking about fourth place. Okay, so

575
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Speaker 1: it goes like a million two? Uh, that's second place?

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Speaker 1: On was that what it was? Yeah? And then from

577
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578
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Speaker 1: but you finished fourth. Yeah, so we probably got like

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581
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's a fair comparison, though, because you

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Speaker 1: did you have a good time? Great time? Was it

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Speaker 1: when you look back, one of the greatest experiences the

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Speaker 1: I look back to it as dopey as it was

590
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Speaker 1: me doing that dancing show because I had people tell

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592
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Speaker 1: Was oh, don't do Dancing with the stars. Only losers

593
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Speaker 1: dancing with the stars. I don't think that's true. Well,

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Speaker 1: I called two people. One of them is one of

595
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Speaker 1: just grinding away and it's not always fun for me.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, I'm everywhere all the time. And he's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: like Michael Strahan did it, Wendy Williams did it. He's like,

603
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604
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605
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606
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Speaker 1: she was like, if you want to do it. You

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608
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609
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Speaker 1: And I did it and it was the hardest, but

610
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Speaker 1: I loved it. I feel like you changed in that show,

611
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Speaker 1: Not that you're not happy a little bit. I was

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Speaker 1: And you look back at that first season or you

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Speaker 1: to live life, there's so many ways to be happy,

636
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to like do this thing that

637
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to get stuck in a rut

638
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: and think you have to go now this one path.

639
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know, did you feel that way? I did,

640
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: because one, I never met a Mormon until I Dance

641
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: with the Stars answers, and if I did, I don't

642
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: even care what religion you are, as long as you're

643
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: like a good person, be good to animals and kids.

644
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: We're square. I don't, but I actually spent time and

645
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I would ask some questions about their religion. I was

646
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: just so interested in it that the same thing I've

647
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: always known that we're basically all taken different side roads

648
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: to get to the same place. And so that's what

649
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: I learned. But I had never actually been close with

650
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: anyone of the Mormon faith. And there was the time

651
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: I did like three Mormons in a row. It was

652
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: crazy on the stars. Well is it one of those

653
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: kind things where everybody dates each other anyone from the show.

654
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: But um, I got I went out with a girl

655
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: for a while while I was doing a dancer with

656
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: the stars. Um, and then like two I just had

657
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: never even I don't even look for what religion people are.

658
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: It's not in the first couple of things with me,

659
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: like we're good, we'll we'll square up later and see

660
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: if we get along well and you're like a good person,

661
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: we'll figure out that stuff later. Um. But that that

662
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: I'd never don't know anybody was Mormon cause I grew

663
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: up in Mountain Pine, Arkansas. Yeah, so pretty down the middle.

664
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: All Baptists or all Methodists, even not even that many

665
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Catholics until I got to Texas and it felt like

666
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: Mike would just say that because all my Mexican press

667
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: were Catholics. Yeah, oh yeah, because it's Texas. So that

668
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: that was a big deal and a cool thing for me.

669
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: That so that experience and also even like music, and

670
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: I have worked all the formats, but I'll give you

671
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: an example. I just figured that most people use Spotify

672
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: all the time because in Nashville, that's one of them.

673
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: Nobody uses Spotify out there. Everybody used Apple Music. And

674
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: even on that side of things, I was like, well,

675
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: this is weird because I would be like, hey, because

676
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious what people use every day, just because I

677
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: want to know people are doing so I can either

678
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: be ahead of it or at least kind of be

679
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: caught up. Nobody use Spotify and everybody and it was

680
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: like nobody everyone use Apple Music in l A. So

681
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of a what it was even why do

682
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: you think they don't use Spotify? Don't know, I don't know.

683
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Maybe because Apple Music didn't get into the country thing

684
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: quick and still they're just getting into it and Spotify

685
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: got in quicker. So maybe because of that, Spotify is

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of dripped into Nashville a little quicker. Um, but

687
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: nobody uson and I'm not just my dancers. Like people

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: would come and guest on the show. I always want

689
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: to know what are you listening to and how are

690
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: you listening to it? And even what devices are you

691
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: listening with. I love technology. They on their phones most

692
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: of the time, everybody all the time. So but it

693
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: was that kind of stuff. It's funny you mentioned that

694
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: because that even those little things, but religion is a

695
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: big thing, but even like the technology part of it.

696
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: And then I lived out there for a while. I

697
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: know you traveled around. To you, it is probably different

698
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: because you would see different cultures. Even for for me,

699
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: I just live in Los Angeles for how long would

700
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: you see a ton of cultures in Los Angeles? Ten years?

701
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: Like I can think like three months, three months, And

702
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: so that was a different kind of ball game for

703
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: us too. Yeah, so you're doing the radio show from

704
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: there every day. That was the hardest part because it

705
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: was so early. Oh, because you still have to do it.

706
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like every central time, every way to do it

707
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: every day, all the hours. And then I would just

708
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: go from work and just dance until the sleep time

709
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: and then go to work again. Oh, if I would

710
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: have known it would have been that hard, I would

711
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: have still done it, but I would have went into

712
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: it completely different. But yes, it changed me in that way.

713
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I just saw things in different ways and so but

714
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: again I think out of the country. So you started

715
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: in boord board that how do you get there? First?

716
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: You just why? But did you like run? And everyone

717
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: just running all the time? So that steps true. You

718
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: are running running constantly. They're not like, all right, nobody,

719
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: get over to your spots. We're gonna start you running

720
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: in three too. Know, you just run always. Anytime that

721
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: you're not sitting on an airplane or in a cab,

722
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: you're running. It's like always running. And what about the

723
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: photographer of the camera guy they're running to? Yeah, you

724
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: have the camera guys are in great shape. They have

725
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: to be hot because they can't miss. No they ever fall.

726
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: You ever seen follow the camera? Really? Yeah? That sunks

727
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: and it's funny. And you have to stay with the

728
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: camera guy. So like if they if you're like darting

729
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: really fast and they're not with you, they'll like yell

730
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: at you and you have to like slow down. Did

731
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: you have to be miked all the time, all the time.

732
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I had to be liked every second I was on.

733
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: So I just shove. I just didn't talk growing practice.

734
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: I was not letting them, I was not letting them

735
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: manipulate my words in any way whatsoever. So I said

736
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: not a word of practice, that I was only going

737
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to give them what I could. And they would get

738
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: so pissed at me because you're not saying anything. I'm like,

739
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: you're right, I'll do it all live. I'll do it

740
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: live and so but with you, you had to worry

741
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: about that, like what are they going to use in editing? Yes?

742
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: And did they how do they edit you guests? Like

743
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: what was your team? They edited us to be kind

744
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: of like did C blonds, which was sort of how

745
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: we played it because we wanted everyone to really like us,

746
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: and also we wanted to have fun and we were

747
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: always really nice, but we didn't want anyone to feel

748
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: threatened of us. We were friends with everybody and we

749
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: made friends like all the guys, and so they would

750
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: help us sometimes on like with them to get them

751
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: to help you mean, yeah, we're both single too. So

752
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: it was just it was kind of a fun time

753
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: because if we were all single. There's a lot of

754
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: single people. Um like a big orgy. No time for that.

755
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Sign me up, that's going. You're going and you go

756
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: bor Bora first. I don't even know where that is.

757
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean it's some islands. How do I get there?

758
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: What's it near? God? I'm really not good at maps?

759
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: Jin was the map person? Do you guys always fly

760
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: together or were they like just going? How do you

761
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: get plane tickets? You go to the airport and you

762
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: have to like either go to travel agency or you

763
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: go to the airport and you just figure out on

764
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: the board which flights to take, or you go talk

765
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: to a person in the front desk and then your

766
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: camera guy pays for it. But then how does the

767
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: camera guy get through security with that big old camera?

768
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: They call him ahead of time and say no, they're

769
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: just the Compari belt those cameras. Does camera that just

770
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: shipped the Compari belt? Okay? Do you have audio got

771
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: running with you too? So you have a camera guy,

772
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: an audio got running with you. That's four persons when

773
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: you're traveling. Okay, so you have to stay with him

774
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: at all times? You are? You go Bora Bora first? Yeah? Oh? Gosh, okay, um,

775
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of nowhere. That's crazy. It's in

776
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: the middle of the Pacific Ocean, like around nothing. If

777
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: you're shooting off of California, like middle of California. Down

778
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: below there's California and there's Australia. It's like right in

779
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: the middle. Wow, there's no it's nothing there. It's really pretty.

780
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Everyone should go What did you do when you get

781
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: to Bora Bora? Skydived out of an airplane over the island.

782
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: It was so amazing. And did you win to Bora Bora? No?

783
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: We just we just always stayed in the big middle

784
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: of the pack. We never got a first place win.

785
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: We weren't like the dominating team that was like getting

786
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: those first places. We would always just kind of hang

787
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: in the middle. So where did you finish? What city? Um? Okay,

788
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: first season we finished and I have the world's first memory.

789
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: I should remember this. Where is the last one? Where

790
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: did the second season? We finished in Vegas? The first

791
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: season we finished in Oh my god? Is it in

792
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: the States? Do you finished back in America? D C? Okay,

793
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: so you finished in d C. And do you know

794
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: what place you're gonna be in? Is you're about to finished.

795
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: You know that others already gone up. Uh, well we didn't.

796
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: I think we thought we still had a chance when

797
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: we were in d C. And then we got out. No,

798
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: we got out before we got out this right before

799
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: the final episode. Do you have your phones with? You

800
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: take your phones the whole time. So you finished fourth

801
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, well that was fun. We will take

802
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: our eighteen dollars that you gave us and a slurpie

803
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: and we'll go back to Nashville. So you come to Nashville.

804
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: Then No, I got back to Austin. You do, Yeah,

805
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: any plans to move back to Nashville. Ope? And then

806
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: I was so Jenna and I were like, Okay, maybe not.

807
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 1: We've been on TV. We can get a little moment.

808
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm going with our duo. And so it was CRS week,

809
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: which is country radio seminar. We just finished Amazing Race

810
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: and all of country music radio was coming to town

811
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: in Nashville and February, and so we were like, let's

812
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: just and we loved everybody in radio, so we're like,

813
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: let's just go hang out, talk to people, see if

814
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: we can get something, see if we can like stir

815
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: something up and so I flew into Nashville and when

816
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: CRS had a great time and I ended up seeing

817
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: this guy who I had known for a long time,

818
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: a songwriter, and he literally like I saw him at

819
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the Bridge Bar, which is like the bar that everybody

820
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: hangs out at Cirrus, and he like walked across the

821
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: bar and he was like, Caroline, I have been looking

822
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: for someone just like you. I have a job and

823
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I want to hire you, and I want you start

824
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: next month at a publishing company. And I'm really big

825
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: into like manifesting and then see like visions and stuff.

826
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: And I had written down my goals that I wanted

827
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: to create an interesting, stimulating job that uses my people's

828
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: skills and music knowledge. That's what I wanted. Artist dream

829
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: was over though at this point kind of yeah, And

830
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: I learned on Amazing Race that I could use my

831
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: personality as a job. I always really liked being an artist,

832
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: but I hated songwriting and I really like performing, but

833
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I didn't I don't know, I just i sing. If

834
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: people would be like Caroline sing, I wasn't one of

835
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: those people. I just wanted to sing, so I loved it,

836
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: but it was sort of like the vehicle that got

837
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: me here, and then I realized there's a whole other

838
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: world of things you can do because I didn't know

839
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: being from wake ups like either to be like an actor,

840
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: singer or a model as your options and entertainment, you know,

841
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: so you work in the published company. Yeah, so I

842
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville. He's like, can you start next month?

843
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yep, I have nothing going on in

844
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: my life again, so when we move back to Nashville

845
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: and that goes for how long? I was there for

846
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: two years and then I all At that same time

847
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: it was also a published the publishing company was also

848
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: a record label, so the head of the record label

849
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: was like, well, Caroline, you know all these people in

850
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: radio and we need a regional, so will you be

851
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: a regional? And I was like absolutely not. I was

852
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: like there's no way. I was like, I will not

853
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: be a regional. It is too hard. Radio is the best,

854
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: but they are show no mercy with music, and I

855
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: was like there's no way I could go do it

856
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: now now it as an artist, you know, you kind

857
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: of like can just go be yourself and everyone well

858
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: they're like like you or not. But like I always

859
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: had a great relationship. So it's fun. But I was like,

860
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: being a regional and have to get people to play music,

861
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: I have to ask him for stuff, bother them, drive

862
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: them nuts, Like no way. So I was like, no,

863
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: I will not be a regional and he was like

864
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: the president who I love. Skip Bishop was like, yes,

865
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: come on, you can do this. I was like, no,

866
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: I will not. I was like, the only way I

867
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: will do it is if Jenn can do it with me.

868
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Gin Wayne, I was like, we have all the same

869
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: regions and we have to be a team. And I

870
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: was like, okay, which happened. That's when you and I

871
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: crossed paths again. Yeah, because I'm then moved to Nashville

872
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: and you brought Natalie and Natalie still and she was great.

873
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: Who it is great and she still plays with me

874
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: all the time. So it was really great to have

875
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: an art And that's another thing. Because I believed in Natalie.

876
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I can do this because I

877
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to be one of those regionals who's trying

878
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: to push something down someone's throat and they suck, you know,

879
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: because that happened. Sometimes I'm like, I'm not going to

880
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: go around and do that and like be that person.

881
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: And so I was like, Okay, Natalie is great. I

882
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: really believe in her. Jin and I can do this together.

883
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, let's do it, even though it's not

884
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: it was not in my comfort zone. Just so so far.

885
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: Just to kind of walk through this, you we're in college,

886
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: a college student, then you were an artist, then you

887
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: were a music teacher, then you are a reality star now,

888
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: and then you walked through the publishing company. Then you

889
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 1: were doing card promotion, and you're doing that and then

890
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,439
Speaker 1: is that one amazing race calls back again and they say,

891
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: we're doing a season about all stars but all sorts.

892
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: But you didn't win, you didn't evenish the top three,

893
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: but we get made it to the season finale. Top

894
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: four is the final season finale? Is this final episode?

895
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: So are you like absolutely? Why not? Yeah? Okay, so

896
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: you go back again and how do you do second place?

897
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: We lost by four seconds? And did you see the

898
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: other people beat you? It was really it was really frushening.

899
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you all this on

900
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: the show the other day, but like we were in

901
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: the lead. Nobody thought we would be in the lead,

902
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Like Jinn and I were in the lead. We're in

903
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: our taxi cab speeding to the final challenge. We're like,

904
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: we got this holy crop. We may win this whole thing,

905
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: Like what in the world. And then some of our

906
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: best friends Les A Show, David Connor. They were like

907
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: father daughter, father's son, cancer survivors are the greatest guys ever.

908
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: They paid their cab driver a hundred dollars to just

909
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: like speed past us. We didn't even know you could

910
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: do that. And so then they speed past us. They

911
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: get to the clue box four seconds before us, and

912
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: they drew a clue, and it was like the first

913
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: time ever that does it ever happen? At least for

914
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Jen and I that there was like this stop clock

915
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: and it was because we were skydiving again where you

916
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: had to like have a thirty minute time where you

917
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: from start like when you drew your clue at the

918
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: time stopped to win, that thirty minutes was up, like

919
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: you had to sit that whole thirty minutes out. So

920
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: because they got to their the clue box four teconds

921
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: before us, their stop clock started first. But I was

922
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: in my airplane five minutes before they ready to jump,

923
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: So I was like technically I was ready first and

924
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: I got it on the first try, so we would

925
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: have won if we didn't have the stop clock. You

926
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: finished second, and they pay you. You got each, so

927
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: after taxes you got about eight thousand dollars each. You

928
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: come back to Nashville, and then what then I'm kind

929
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: of back in that same place where I've been before.

930
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I really don't love being a regional.

931
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: Actually the record labill show it down, so that kind

932
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: of worked itself out because there was another independent one

933
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: and it just the same thing. Investor not really wanting

934
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: to do it anymore. Um. And then I was still

935
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: doing plugging song plugging, pitching too songs that pitching songs

936
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: to artists and managers and A and R people, and

937
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: I loved it because I loved taking meetings and meeting

938
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: with everyone. But I was like, this isn't my true love.

939
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: And so I was like, Okay, what am I gonna do?

940
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: And after amazing Race, I really fell in love with

941
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: like doing TV work and realizing that you can use

942
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: your personality as a job because I didn't really know

943
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: that was even that thing, but I didn't know how

944
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: to do that, what to do like I didn't have, like,

945
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: you really any skills other than I've been in boot

946
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: camp for like ten years of seeing angels getting interviews

947
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: from the other side that I had like understood what

948
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: I thought was a good interview and what I what

949
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: didn't think it was a good interview, and so um.

950
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: At that same time, Tony Brown, who's a huge producer,

951
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: it was like, I really love you and Gin and

952
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: I want to record two songs on y'all just because

953
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: I'd never think I've been recorded correctly, so I want

954
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: to just go in and cut two songs. And he's

955
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: like George Straits producer, like he's like one of the

956
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: biggest producers of all time. So we're like okay, yeah, sure,

957
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: So we did that. We recorded two songs with Tony Brown,

958
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: and because of all of our connections through song plugging

959
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: and everything else, we were really close with Benny Brown

960
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: who was running um Broken Bow and John Loeba, who

961
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: was the one of the main guys that Broken Vow.

962
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: So we're like, we like drove John crazy, and we're like, John,

963
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: can we just play these songs? Please? Please please? So

964
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: we went and played John our music and John was like, Okay,

965
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: this is really good actually, and um, I think I

966
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: could have something. So at that point, though, Jin really

967
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: realized that she loved music and wanted to do music

968
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and pursue it all the way, and I realized that

969
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I didn't, and that, even though I loved it and

970
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: want and like was so grateful for these opportunities, I

971
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to good on the music road. I wanted

972
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: to do more personality host driven stuff, even I didn't

973
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: know how to do it. And so she kind of

974
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: moved forward pursuing that relationship with John and then formed

975
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: run Away June and all that, and then I sort

976
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: of was like, Okay, well I need to start something,

977
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: so that's when I started my podcast. So I had

978
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: heard you're going to be a run Away June. At

979
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: first I was going to be, but then I just

980
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Jen and I decided it was really amicable that that

981
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: was her love and not mine anymore, and so we

982
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: just sort of decided to split ways at that point

983
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: in our life. But I helped write some of their

984
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: songs in the beginning because I was still writing songs

985
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: and before they like locked it all in. So it

986
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: was it was great. We we love each other so much,

987
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: but our past just started going different ways and we

988
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 1: both realized that we were on the same we didn't

989
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: have the same passions anymore. Jen and I have a

990
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: mutual friend. Jen was a tennis player. Yeah, she was

991
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: a pro, a pro freaking tennis player. And I remember

992
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: asking Andy Roddick and I was like hey, and he

993
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but her name was in Jen Wayne

994
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: back then. Cool cool, yeah it was. He was like,

995
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: that's the same girl. I was like, yeah, here's that agreed.

996
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: So so then you started the podcast, and how long

997
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: did you do the podcast? When did you start the podcast?

998
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: This is three years in April. Wow, I've been done

999
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: for three years. Oh, look at you grinding away. I

1000
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: think it was probably one of the first ones to

1001
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: start it. Like in the beginning, you got we're kind

1002
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: of at the same time. Um, all right, listen, I

1003
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, we've had ten different versions of something,

1004
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: haven't we. I mean, this one's hung longer, and we've

1005
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: put time in real time and effort into it. But

1006
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing when I started

1007
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: a podcast, and I didn't even know what it was.

1008
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's about, right, And you kind of find

1009
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: your place, like life truly, you don't know what you're

1010
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: doing your whole story bounce bounce, bounce, and you've kind

1011
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: of figured out nowt what you like to do. And

1012
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: so then you started the podcast and I remember because

1013
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: we had known each other through so many different ways anyway,

1014
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: and Eddie came in with that Caroline Brant podcast and

1015
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: he was like, if you're a Jenn Hobbies podcast podcast

1016
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: Jan Hobbies podcast, Yeah, Carol, and how sorry I get

1017
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: you guys? S up? Have you heard that's that's about you?

1018
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: Guys thinking like their Jenna Hobby. He's like, if you're

1019
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: a Caroline of the podcast and I was like, I haven't,

1020
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: and but I've seen some of the stuff that you

1021
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: were doing over at Cumulus and you were doing like

1022
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: some some digital stuff with them, and I was like, uh,

1023
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: you know what up and He's like this it's so

1024
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: good and so I was like, well, so let me

1025
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: check it out. So then Mike and I were talking

1026
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: and that's what I called. Wait, that's not true. You

1027
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: text me first. We were about to call the weirdest thing.

1028
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: We're about to call like the next day. Yeah, I

1029
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: kid you, not Mike. You. I had a long conversation

1030
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: and to me, it's not even about how good it is,

1031
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: it's about how often the person shows up to work.

1032
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: And we could just look and see all the episodes

1033
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: you were doing, and then you kind of found your

1034
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: place and in finding these artists wives, and I think

1035
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: even then you're finding your place too. We're just doing

1036
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: like really strong independent women with a voice. And I

1037
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: was like, man, that's and then you hit me and

1038
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, we don't have to go even

1039
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: get her, like this is just she's just gonna work.

1040
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: That's also, yeah, that right, I told you that right. Well,

1041
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought it was like a Freudian

1042
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: slip that you said you called me, But I was like,

1043
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: I know I called you all you text me one morning,

1044
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: but we were already talking about it because Eddie had

1045
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: brought in the podcast before that and we were like

1046
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: what about yeah, so and then now look at you,

1047
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: you look at me, flying look at you. You know

1048
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 1: you have you have advertisers, no right, which takes forever.

1049
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: Some shows it takes forever, Like with you, it is

1050
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: well you have enough listens now or even if you didn't,

1051
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: and if it's time for people, because it takes a

1052
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: good amount of downloads each month to get an advertiser

1053
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: to buy in, because why do they want to buy

1054
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: one that gets a thousand downloads? Yeah, I'm not gonna

1055
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: spend any months, you know. But I mean you grew quick.

1056
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: It really did grow fast, because I told you my

1057
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: goals when I came here. I was like, okay, So

1058
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm like right here, I don't mean what what did

1059
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: I tell you? And it grew fast? What did I

1060
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: tell you? Not that's going to go fast? But I

1061
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: said I believe in you. Yeah, I mean it grew

1062
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: really fast. Like I was very because like I made

1063
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: this vision board for the beginning of the year and

1064
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: I've already I've already reached the goals that the number

1065
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: of listeners I was hoping to get for episode for

1066
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: the end of this year. So I'm like, great, this

1067
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: really could exceed all my ex Well, I think it

1068
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: can eventually be a By the way, TV show to

1069
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: me doesn't mean actually on TV. It means any platform

1070
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: with the visual platform. I think can actually be a

1071
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: TV show that does well. I mean, listen, I think

1072
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: you're fantastic. I think I appreciate that. Thank you for

1073
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: believing in it. That really means a lot. Well, so

1074
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: here you are and you're about to have a baby

1075
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: and your husband better put out new music. Yes, with

1076
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Dave called. They just signed a new record deal too,

1077
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: which is great. He's kind of been like me, he's

1078
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: been on a journey. They're gonna be on their third

1079
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: major record deal where they where they signing out? Um,

1080
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: I guess it's out because they've talked about Electra and Warner.

1081
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: It's with Dave Cobb to their producer, so they have

1082
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: a real deal. Yeah, this is the third major one.

1083
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, who has three major label deals? And there's

1084
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: where were they at? First Interscope and then they were

1085
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: at Big Machine, but Interscope not really a country label.

1086
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: They were kind of rock back then oh got it huh,

1087
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: and then Interscope dropped. They were always rock country because

1088
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Michael's cousins, I don't know if you know this other

1089
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: Black Crows, Uh yeah, which which which ones both of

1090
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: them Their brothers got it and so he grew up

1091
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: like loving the Black Crows and so it's always been rock,

1092
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: but it's been southern and so they kind of were

1093
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: like but they I mean, it just straddles that line

1094
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: of country rock, and so they went rock and the

1095
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: first one and then Interscope drop forty label, forty acts

1096
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: in one day, and so they're like, okay, well so

1097
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: then they just started like keep chipping away and they

1098
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: found this like cool groove of country rock. And it's

1099
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: been great. It's been a journey. I mean that's the

1100
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: thing with like he and I is you just kind

1101
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: of learned to embrace the journey because it's like if

1102
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: you get too hung up on like this vision of

1103
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: how you think your road's gonna go, you'll probably get

1104
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: pretty disappointed because it's just a rocky road. You gotta

1105
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: keep trusting and believing yourself. M um. Black Crows lead

1106
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: singer is Chris Robinson. Chris Robinson, that's right, and Rich

1107
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: Robinson's his brother. Which is also a fun fact. Rich

1108
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: and his wife were in Nashville for like three months

1109
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: that they just lived with us in their house, so

1110
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: they are two kids. It was a blast. While she

1111
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: was pregnant, I was like, this is so weird, Like

1112
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: this is such a random life, but it's so normal

1113
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: because everyone's so normal. But like I, like my Waco

1114
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: self would have never thought that would just hear. I

1115
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: am just bopping around living with the Black crows. So

1116
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: are you enjoying being pregnant or is it awful? I

1117
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: love being pregnant. The first trimester was awful, and I

1118
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: had a lot of anxiety because we didn't have like

1119
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: a miscarriage and some trouble getting pregnant, and so I

1120
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: was like very very very nervous the whole first trimester

1121
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: that like, we're just gonna lose the baby. It wasn't

1122
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: a stick or something's being wrong with it. And so

1123
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: once I got through that, it was great. The second

1124
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: trimester has been awesome. I feel good. I have a

1125
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: giant bump, so it's like, so I'm pregnant. She's kicking

1126
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: around all the time, which is really amazing. And I'm

1127
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: just very thankful because I know how lucky I am

1128
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: to be pregnant. It's like it's now that I'm in

1129
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: my thirties and I have so many friends who are women.

1130
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: It's not easy to get pregnant and it's a very

1131
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: emotional journey. So I'm really just grateful every day. M like,

1132
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: at you come a long way, just grown up so fast.

1133
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be thirty six in July. Yeah, yeah, Hey, Mike.

1134
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: She asked me. She was like, do you think Ben

1135
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: Amy's husband would do You already told me he would

1136
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: do it. Good luck. I wanted to do Amy and

1137
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: been together, but you shot that down. Yeah you don't

1138
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: want that. Ama. Amy'll overwrite every question. No, yeah, I

1139
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: don't think so, because she has a big personality. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1140
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean Amy Amy overrides me and a lot of interviews,

1141
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: mostly because I let her. She's superstarry. But you are

1142
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: a really good balance. I have to stay. Oh, she's

1143
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, professionally

1144
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: and even because I don't have a girlfriend, even on

1145
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: that like having a sane email, Amile a constant saying.

1146
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: Saying is debatable for anyone. But yeah, she's been She's

1147
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to me, Like my

1148
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: best friend for sure, Like if I was needed a

1149
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: kidney but yeah, yeah, yeah, she um but been good luck.

1150
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: Now he said he would do it because I do

1151
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: think it's a good idea to do a male perspective

1152
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: of women who are in the industry and the guys

1153
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: who aren't. I think that will be interesting. I think

1154
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: it would be lovely. I'd love you to have him on.

1155
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: I just don't know what he's gonna say. It might

1156
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: be we landed a plane on a river. You won't

1157
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: talk about it yet. That's that's true. I would love

1158
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: for me to get into I would I'll play the

1159
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. Would be a special on our show if

1160
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: you put because I know Ben but I know him,

1161
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: it's I would give you an example of who's an

1162
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: artist that I would use Dirk's. I'm close to Dirk's

1163
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: and there are certain things I know. I wouldn't ask

1164
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: them that if I wasn't close to him, I would

1165
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: ask him because I would not know the answer. I

1166
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: don't mean it in a bad way, but even like

1167
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: there's you become friends with someone and you know all

1168
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: the things around, and so you just you have to

1169
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: handle someone you know really well, oftentimes more so than

1170
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: someone you don't, because people you don't they know you

1171
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: don't know. You're just asking because you're curious. But if

1172
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, like the hot spots or whatever, Yeah, and

1173
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: you go right for it. And if you go for

1174
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: someone talks about they know you don't know, they're like, oh,

1175
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: they had no idea. You go right for hot spots.

1176
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: No I used to three or four years ago. At

1177
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: this point though, there's only about one person that interviews

1178
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: better than me. And I know people how I know

1179
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: you're going to say that, But he goes for he's

1180
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: not scared to like ask anything all the time hot spots. Yeah,

1181
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: but he won't. He won't bring him in and go

1182
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: right to it. Will poke them right in their butt

1183
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: hole with a question. He used to and I used

1184
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: to get headline chase, not at all. I found that

1185
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: get in trusted people when they come in as much

1186
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: more valuable to me than headline honey, because most people

1187
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: just give me something. It's turned into the point now

1188
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: where I think people coming in they want to do

1189
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: a good job more so now than being like, oh,

1190
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to be interviewed, and so a lot of

1191
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 1: people will come in with with really fantastic either things

1192
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: to say or like, oh, we should work up this

1193
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: cool performance we've never done before on the show. I

1194
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: think that's where the switches kind of happened for me.

1195
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: But no, I don't have I don't go to hot spotes.

1196
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: I don't have to. I've just I'm researched and I

1197
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: talked to people like humans. I get curious about odd things,

1198
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, how about that? Okay, so I'm curious,

1199
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: what are your goals now that you've done so many things.

1200
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I like to have a talk show. Do

1201
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: you have a talk show? I'd like to have a

1202
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,439
Speaker 1: television talk show, but I don't want a late night

1203
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: that same formula talk show. Um. You know, I have

1204
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: a deal with ABC right now for another We'll see

1205
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 1: if I get brought back to get back to Idole.

1206
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: May like that. Yeah, I love the people that I

1207
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: worked with an ABC. The hours were brutal at times

1208
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: on Idol, where I would go for fourteen hours or so. Yeah,

1209
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a day. And the traveling back and forth. When

1210
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: I was a Dancing with Stars i lived there. That

1211
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: was a whole different that was a different difficulty going.

1212
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would go there and back in the same

1213
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: day to l a. Oh wow, that's eight hours of

1214
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: traveling in an airplane when you're getting de hydrated. There

1215
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: are people with much worse jobs. And not saying it's

1216
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the worst thing ever, but it was just a different

1217
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: where are you out? Though? Yeah, I was exhausted when

1218
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: it was over. Um, but yeah, I want to do

1219
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: that and there's a we have a scripted show we're

1220
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: working on with ABC UM that I've been writing, and

1221
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. Most scripted shows don't don't

1222
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: get picked up, but obviously give us a bunch of

1223
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: money to make one. How about yours will get picked up?

1224
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean, I'm in it. I'm the lead

1225
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: actor too, So like would it be like I'm not

1226
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: saying anything, but like it would it be like in

1227
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: the same kind of family is like a third rock

1228
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: from the Third Rock from the Sun that come but

1229
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: John let go. Yeah, I don't know why I picked

1230
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: that one, Like a friend sipe thing. I'm not gonna

1231
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: say anything that kind of scripted. It's scripted. It's scripted.

1232
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: Oh maybe like a like the Honeymooners kind of reference

1233
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: to that to be visited. So I think that for me,

1234
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, I've been offered a lot of pretty cool

1235
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: shows that I've said no to and which could be

1236
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: a mistake, but I'm always I just want to hold

1237
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: out for something that I really think it's cool, more

1238
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: cell than stuffing I think is pretty cool. And so

1239
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: there's one show that I had to turn down that

1240
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: I really thought would be fun it just didn't time

1241
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: out for me. Right there, Nashville Squares, which is like

1242
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: Hollywood Squares, but they're doing a they tape it in

1243
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: like a month or so, and they asked me to

1244
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: host that like four or five months ago, and I

1245
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: had to say no because it was at the same

1246
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: time as Idol or something. They did correspond a bit

1247
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: um correspond They did conflict a bit um, but I

1248
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: could have done it, but there was another couple of

1249
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: things that on the back side, so I'd say no,

1250
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: And I thought that had been a fun show to do.

1251
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: I loved Hollywood Squares, so it's been cool to be

1252
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 1: able to turn things down to honestly, yeah, because I'm

1253
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: not begging for everything all that, because I begged until

1254
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: like a two years ago. I begged for everything. I

1255
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: would go to Los Angeles and just begged get meetings.

1256
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: I would call people, I'd say, I'm gonna be town.

1257
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: If anything falls through, please let me come into Like

1258
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: I did that for five years and sending my own

1259
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: money flying back and forth, just begging for meetings, not

1260
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: even for auditions, just meetings that would get me into rooms.

1261
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: It's funny how quickly you've become an overnight success. Yeah,

1262
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,479
Speaker 1: it all kind of happens fast though, like it takes

1263
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: forever maybe, But then when it happens, like you hit

1264
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: your stride and I feel like it's snowballs. Well. One,

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01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: it's like with anything else, when one person believes in you,

1266
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: other people go, oh wait, what am I missing? Why? Why?

1267
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Why should I be believing in them? So it just

1268
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: takes like that one person, and so taking me about

1269
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: fifteen years to be an overnight success. And so I'm not.

1270
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I don't eve feel like I'm a success. But on

1271
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: that side of some TV stuff that I want to do,

1272
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: the radio shows just continues to oddly get bigger. Why

1273
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: do you think that is? What do you think it

1274
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: is that people love so much about the show? A

1275
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: couple of things? Okay, Well, one, we don't sound like

1276
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: the other radio shows because we're not. We were never

1277
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: good enough early on to do be good at that.

1278
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I couldn't do the big voice. I would

1279
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: have been a d J DJ. And if you're just

1280
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: introducing songs now and DJ in the middays after, when

1281
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: you're done, you have a couple of years left and

1282
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: it's over. Thank check out, goodnight, um I would have

1283
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,919
Speaker 1: been that if I could have, so it just wasn't

1284
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: good enough. I have a good enough voice. So I

1285
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess I should try to just

1286
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: be me and be really vulnerable on the air and

1287
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: not be embarrassed. And I think people have just connected

1288
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: to and I'm polar like I'm either super insecure, like

1289
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: super insecure or super arrogant. And I don't have an

1290
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: odd oh everything my love life that I'm gonna be uh,

1291
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, back living, not having three meals a day,

1292
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: all of that, you don't that doesn't leave you because

1293
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: that's that's just that's always who I'm going to be.

1294
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm wired. I have a nice place now, I got

1295
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: I got a franking pool, and I feel guilty about

1296
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: having a pool. What makes you feel arrogant? Well, I

1297
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: know I'm really good at some things, and I'm not

1298
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: afraid to say that either. I think that's great. Yeah,

1299
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: but to some people that comes off as arrogance. So

1300
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't really don't have a middle. It's like I'm

1301
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: either super insecure or I just know I'm really good

1302
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: at it. What what would you say your middle is that?

1303
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: When are you in your middle? I don't try to

1304
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: stand places that are my middle. I like to stay

1305
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: in places where I'm really bad and I can grow.

1306
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: Or I like to be in playing I'm really good.

1307
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: You're never just content? Oh no, no, I don't. I

1308
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: wish I have to go back. I need to go

1309
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: back to therapy. How do you find peace? I should

1310
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: go to sleep, really and I have trouble sleeping, but

1311
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: that's the only time I'm not going hundred miles an hour.

1312
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: Do you long for peace, yes, A long for a

1313
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: partner right now. But do you think you have time

1314
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: for a partner. I think yeah, I've made a conscious

1315
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: effort to allow time to start looking for a partner. Okay,

1316
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: And you're going to prioritize that. I absolutely have already

1317
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: prioritized dating a bit. That's great. Are you like wanting

1318
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: someone forever or is it just like you're a seasonal dater,

1319
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: like you want someone for a season, or you look

1320
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: you're ready, You're going to the distance. I'm ready to

1321
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: start investing in long term and if it turns out

1322
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: it's a stealing angels and I got to move on.

1323
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah every day, but I'm not jumping in with somebody now.

1324
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: My I'm thirty nine. I'm probably in part of my life,

1325
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm like a hundred year old. I got a lot

1326
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: of maturity but something. But in some I'm like a

1327
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: thirteen year old. Like in my because I just never

1328
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: was a relationship. I was like, I gotta work, work, work, work,

1329
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: work work. I need to have two months so when

1330
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: I lose my job, I can pay my lugtry bill

1331
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: for two months. Do you think you're ever gonna get

1332
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: over that and know that you're always going to have

1333
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: a job. I will never get over it, but I

1334
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: now understand that it's a thing, and I think going

1335
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: to therapy has allowed me to look back at it

1336
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: and went to therapy forever. I just stopped when I

1337
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: start doing it with stars because I didn't have time anymore.

1338
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: How did you decided to to therapy? It was all

1339
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: my insurance When I was twenty seven. I was like, therapy,

1340
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: So you've always gone since you've been twenty six? Yeah,

1341
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 1: like mid late twenties, and it was like I was

1342
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: like therapy. Who And I can say, you don't go

1343
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: to therapy when you're broke, You don't go to therapy.

1344
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: You're just trying to Ford Hamburger help. Are you ain't

1345
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: trying to go to the therapy, yeah, or money is

1346
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: covered in insurance and as a ten dollar cope. And

1347
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: so I started to go and I was like, Oh,

1348
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: here's somebody who doesn't have a vested interest in me,

1349
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: because now I even feel like everybody wants me for something.

1350
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: What have would have been the biggest things that you've

1351
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: learned from therapy two? That it's okay that you're not

1352
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: all together on one piece because and you're not broken,

1353
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: because if everyone is broken, then nobody's broken because we're

1354
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: all broken. And if we're all broken, aren't we all

1355
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: just we're just different puzzles more than we think people were,

1356
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: like there were some people who weren't broken, Like did

1357
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: you have people on I did think that until I think, again,

1358
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound a little bit arrogant, until I

1359
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: whatever this notoriety slash fame is. And I used to

1360
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: think when I would see all these super famous people

1361
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, they got their crap together. Once

1362
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: I kind of crossed the threshold of okay, I have

1363
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of notoriety. Now, I maybe worse than

1364
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: I was before. And I would start to see some

1365
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: of people that have become my friends that were famous

1366
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: and go, oh, yeah, they're messed up too, And then

1367
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: I would just get to see the other side of

1368
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: it and go, it's like Oz, you went behind the curtain.

1369
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, And then I realized, Um, nobody's actually no,

1370
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: nobody is put together, and if everyone's broken, then nobody's broken.

1371
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: We're all just different. Was that like a freedom feeling

1372
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: for you? It allowed me to look at my issues

1373
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: and go, Okay, I can step back and see that

1374
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: it's an issue and I can better handle it because

1375
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna handle it right because there's not a right.

1376
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: And sometimes I had a friend with my comfort with

1377
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: my friend Nicki Glazer was a comedian and she was

1378
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: she just did a special on Netflix special and she

1379
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: was like, I know I'm gonna break down like five times.

1380
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,959
Speaker 1: I said, that's great. You know you're gonna break down

1381
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: five times? When you know when you break down time one, two, three, four,

1382
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: and five. Go oh, I knew this was coming. I'm

1383
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: not absolutely nuts. I can prepare for what I am

1384
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: how I'm wired, So you should be okay with that.

1385
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: So when you do break down, don't think you're freaking nuts. Now,

1386
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: if you're doing it nine times, you probably need to

1387
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: pull somebody in. But if you know that what you're

1388
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: prone to do is break down a few times, that's okay.

1389
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: You can actually live within it because this is you

1390
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: and this is how you're wired. And so when I

1391
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: started to go, okay, these are my issues, Um, I

1392
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't even call them faults so much. Then I like

1393
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: when I just said, I know, I'm always gonna be

1394
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: the person that goes. I wonder if I'll be able

1395
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: to afford, you know, to pay the mortgage in my house,

1396
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: or but I can step back and go, that is ridiculous.

1397
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: Just identify it now that it's like it's a one

1398
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: of your false lives that you've told yourself. You can go,

1399
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. And so even though I feel that way still,

1400
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: I can go back and see it and kind of

1401
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: talk to it, take it down. So that's what therapy

1402
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: did for me. That's wonderful. And I had a voice

1403
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: that she didn't give a crap, she can get a

1404
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: crap about me. She would just give it just unbiased

1405
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: opinions about what and it was also an opinion. But

1406
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: therapy was great for me. And even with girls, I

1407
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: would be like I don't know, and you know, she'd

1408
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: be like, hey, why don't you just do this or

1409
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: do that? It was good, Yeah, you know what. I

1410
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: have learned that because I sort of had the same thing,

1411
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: Like I used to think all these people were on

1412
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: pedestals and like some people had it really figured out

1413
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 1: and I struggled with a lot of self worth issues

1414
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: before I kind of I did a lot of therapy. Also, Um,

1415
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: I have realized that nobody cares about me. Like I

1416
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: used to think everyone was like sitting here analyzing my

1417
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: life and taking this big long inventory and I'd walk

1418
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: into a room and they'd be like, oh my god, Caroline,

1419
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: Da da da da, But like, really, no one even cares.

1420
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: So now I have just decided that I know I

1421
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: put out good energy. I know I want the best

1422
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: for other people. If I have made a mistake, I'm

1423
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: so sorry, but it was totally unintentional, and if you

1424
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: like talk to me about it, I will like absolutely

1425
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: claim my part. I'll say I'm sorry. So I just

1426
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 1: have liked And now I just walk into the room

1427
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I assume the best about myself and

1428
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: everyone else, and I just always try to do that

1429
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: because before I would walk in, I just thought everyone

1430
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: and had it was like because I kind of Nicole

1431
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: said the podcast with her, she was like, we keep

1432
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: a list of our failures, you know, like I know

1433
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: all the things that I feel like I suck at.

1434
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: And then like people would think I was a crappy

1435
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: person for but no one else even like knows that

1436
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: or cares and because they're so wrapped up in themselves. Yeah. Um.

1437
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: In my my last book, I wrote all chapter on

1438
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,600
Speaker 1: that where and I started it with I went to

1439
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: a yoga class, and I knew everyone was looking at

1440
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: me because I sucked. I've never been to hot yoga class,

1441
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: and I knew that I was so bad. I was

1442
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: gonna be on the cover of uh Yoga illustrated as

1443
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: the worst yogi ever. And I had even had my

1444
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: glasses on the first time, and you don't wear your

1445
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: glasses because they fogg up. I did everything wrong and

1446
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't ever gonna go back. Everyone was looking at me,

1447
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: talking about me. They're gonna tell everybody, so I was

1448
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: never gonna go back again. We're gonna go viral. Then

1449
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: I realized I had a three pack, and I was like, oh,

1450
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: I can't let those two go to waste, and I

1451
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: went back and I was a little better the second time.

1452
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: By the third time, I realized there were also the

1453
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: people that have never been before, and they sucked. I

1454
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: didn't even look at them because you were so I

1455
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: was trying to do my deal, and so I wrote

1456
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: about that. It's kind of that same road that but

1457
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: I lead it with that analogy was always watching you

1458
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: do yoga, nobody cares what it cares about you. You're

1459
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: downward dog. Now do it until you get it right.

1460
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: And and if anybody's watching, who cares? Anyway? Who cares?

1461
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: And also another thing I've learned from getting to do

1462
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 1: podcasts and interviews kind of how you were talking, people

1463
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: have so many of their own issues going on, and

1464
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: like you can like see someone and they might might

1465
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: be like, God, that person is sort of an asshole,

1466
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: but really they can have so many internal things going on,

1467
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: like big things that aren't even career wise, like life stuff,

1468
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: and that just I have realized every single person I've

1469
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: ever talked to on an end depth level has something

1470
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: going on that they are thinking about constantly, and they

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Speaker 1: just might be on their own world because some sort

1472
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: of thing is happening with them right now. Yeah, you

1473
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: never know what someone else is going through or has

1474
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: been through or it is about to hit, right, and

1475
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: it's always something. Yeah, it's a it's a whole thing.

1476
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: Great though, you've done all that work and like you're

1477
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: you're aware of all that for yourself to just for

1478
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: peace of mind. Level two is aware. Level three is

1479
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: actually like fixing it. But yeah, I would like to

1480
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: have somebody. Yeah, just well, not that you're making space

1481
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: for it. I'm sure you will, m but don't be

1482
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: so sure. Well, don't have that attitude. Don't be so sure.

1483
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 1: Don't you're cursing it already. You can't. You can't do that.

1484
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 1: You have to go in with a good open mind.

1485
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: Oh I did, didn't I didn't I message you about

1486
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: don't say, but a girl, So, um, how's it going? Well? Terrible?

1487
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, really, well they're not terrible. But I like

1488
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: hit her up and then she hit me back, and

1489
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: then I was like, because there's with me. It's like no,

1490
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: this is not let's not take around. I was like, hey,

1491
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: why don't we to get together. It's good to lunch something,

1492
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: I'll be it, and then gone, yeah, and I was

1493
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: like well I'm a number. I don't care though, I'll

1494
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: go I have no shame anymore. I will send Instagram

1495
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: messages to the biggest celebrity or just a random person.

1496
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: I'll just d and be like, hey, what up. Nine

1497
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: times out of tide they don't hit you back, but

1498
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: that one time when they think that you're Bobby flag

1499
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: because you have a blue check mark in your bobby

1500
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: sometimes you can turn that into you know, something cool.

1501
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 1: It just takes one that's right, that's likes it. It's

1502
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: all it is, I mean, and it's like, you know,

1503
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: that's My sister used to tell me that she was

1504
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: like all to just don't get all discouraged in this

1505
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: dating game because it's just like one. All you do

1506
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: is to need one person, and once you meet that person,

1507
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: it will just it all makes sense. Although I am

1508
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: thirty nine now, but you've also been super busy in

1509
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,600
Speaker 1: your career. Yes, but I'm still thirty nine, so it

1510
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: kind of closes the window a bit. Like I went

1511
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: out with a girl who was twenty two and not

1512
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: on purpose, but I felt like that was a little

1513
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 1: too much. It might be a big just like she

1514
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: hit me up. I needed a date to a wedding

1515
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: and I knew her, and I was like, okay, cool,

1516
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: let's go. I didn't go with him again, but I

1517
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think I want just like life experience,

1518
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: maybe like conversation. But to be fair, I might be

1519
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: like nineteen in my my relationship. It's true, how how

1520
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: will you find out? I guess just trial and error.

1521
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: Let me just date them all year old. Maybe don't

1522
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: do an age no date at eighteen year Let me

1523
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 1: say this, Laney Hayes, who's Walker Hayes is wife and

1524
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,879
Speaker 1: it is the best And I know Walker and Laney.

1525
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: They come to the house like they've been to the house.

1526
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: Like that's and that's rare for me to have people

1527
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: over to the house. But like I'm big fans and

1528
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: friends of them in general. She's gonna be on an

1529
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: upcoming episode and depending on depending when you hear this,

1530
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: you could already be out um so um. I don't

1531
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: have a clip of that yet, right, but I do

1532
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: have a clip of Walker doing a freestyle Friday about

1533
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: the episode The Warriors to School. Drake was on the

1534
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: sideline acting lack of fool. Thomas Stratt dropped a new

1535
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: album on the World and Bobby Bone has played my

1536
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: new song about my girl Slioky had a baby Godzilla

1537
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: wis fly spelling beat in the in an eight way.

1538
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Laney did the first podcast Everybody Yep, she got Real

1539
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: with Caroline Hobby. It drops you in tenth So save

1540
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: the date, happy but lady free stuff frid Day. There

1541
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: you go. So whatever whatever the date is today right

1542
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: when you listen to this June tenth, the new Laney

1543
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: Hayes podcast, I Would Stay. That is probably the most

1544
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: emotional episode I've ever done, because they lost their seventh

1545
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: child and childbirth and she almost died as well. And

1546
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: it's just like she was really raw and honest about

1547
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: it and talked about it and she was crying. It

1548
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: made me cry, like she the fact that she was

1549
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: willing to share that, it's just, um, it's really it's

1550
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: really emotional and it's really amazing that she's willing to

1551
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: be so vulnerable. And that's something I learned about them

1552
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: is they want to use their life to heal others,

1553
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: and they're like, if we don't share this story. When

1554
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: they were going through it, they were looking for people

1555
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 1: to relate to. She's like, it's a club you never

1556
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: want to be in. But when you're in the club,

1557
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: you're so glad there's other people there for support. So

1558
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 1: it's just like you just want to be there for

1559
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: anyone else who's going through something like this. And I

1560
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: was like, God, these are amazing people. Remember that night

1561
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: it was I think sant Awards last year. He was

1562
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: going to perform the next day yet have been on

1563
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 1: the sant Awards. Who supposed to perform and it got

1564
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: it got a text like hey, I ain't gonna not

1565
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: gonna make it. Then all it all went bad? Uh yeah,

1566
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 1: So check that episode out and check out the Get

1567
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: Real podcast with Caroline Hobby or is that called her

1568
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: Jen Hobby the combination of Jan and Caroline um And

1569
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: by the way, speaking of Runaway June, you wrote two

1570
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: songs on Runaway UN's upcoming album, Yeah, like are you

1571
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: I know their first single which was Lipstick Lipstick? Yeah,

1572
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: we have a clip of that here here you go.

1573
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: Did you make your money off that song? I don't know.

1574
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe probably. Do you want all your

1575
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: own publishing? Uh? I ne even know? Things? Which the

1576
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: title tracks Blue Roses, which is that it's unreleased there's

1577
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: no clip yet, but is something else that it's like,

1578
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: it is so beautiful. It's such a beautiful song. Well,

1579
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: we have no clips, we have no way to trust.

1580
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: We're just gonna trust. Do you tell them the the truth?

1581
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 1: It is and run away? June is so good like

1582
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: Naomi's voice, she asked to me, one of the best

1583
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: voices I've ever heard. I love her voice so much.

1584
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: And Jen and Hannah are amazing. It's just I think

1585
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: I think they're great. I really think they're just one

1586
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: of the best girl artists situations happening out there. I mean,

1587
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm also biased. I like them, what, but they really

1588
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: are so talented all the things you said, I agree

1589
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: with your biased. They are great. All of that episode

1590
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: one an you want Caroline Hobby check out do you

1591
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: Get Real? Podcast with Caroline Hobby Honest women on his

1592
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: talk How long we go? Mike almost one? Ten? Who who?

1593
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: It's a long one. Usually I shut them down about

1594
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: a minute one. I'm like, all right, that's all. We'll

1595
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: see you next week. Alright, Uh, we'll see you next time.

1596
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 1: Thanks Caroline, going to see you. Hey, thanks for having me. Um,

1597
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: good luck to that baby. Thank you all right,