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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, a complete recap and

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Speaker 1: breakdown the Cardinals seven picks in the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Five of those picks address the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. But first we have a uniform number switch.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode four twenty and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu and Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: So today's show, MJ is brought to you by the

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Speaker 1: number three and no one not talk about the three

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Speaker 1: day NFL Draft. Buddha Baker announced on Sunday that he's

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Speaker 1: changing his number again. This is what he posted on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: quote bird Gang, I love you, don't hate me? Third

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Speaker 1: times the charm hashtag literally unquote yes for the third time, MJ.

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker will be switching his uniform number. Began his

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Speaker 1: career wearing thirty six. He wanted to wear thirty two,

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Speaker 1: which is the number he wore in college. One problem,

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Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew had that number. He switched to thirty two

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Speaker 1: when Tie left. And now, thanks the league relaxing it's

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Speaker 1: uniform number rules for defensive backs, he'll wear number three.

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Speaker 1: At least that first number is consistent. Correct. Now, We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this in the past, and Dalvin Cook found

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Speaker 1: out that he would have to pay one point two

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Speaker 1: million to purchase all his jerseys that are obviously in

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Speaker 1: the NFL team shop, And he said, I'm gonna pass.

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Speaker 1: Buddha obviously just signed a long term contract and probably

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna make a business decision, and some guys just

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Speaker 1: you know, they're changing. It's gonna be weird to see

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Speaker 1: a three. I guess I better get used to it.

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Speaker 1: And Hopkins could change his room, you know, ten to six.

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Speaker 1: That's what he wore at Clemson. So I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: usually when the rookies come in, we'll start to get numbers.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what Malcolm Butler's gonna wear, you know,

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Speaker 1: different guys. So be interesting to see some of these

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Speaker 1: same number. But yeah, that's a heavy penny and he definitely,

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Speaker 1: you know, wants off the fan base. No, sorry, but

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get a new number. He did add

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Speaker 1: this later on social media. Quote, no matter what jersey

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Speaker 1: on something that involves my name. I still love you,

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Speaker 1: no matter what hash Baker fans hashtag love, hashtag my

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Speaker 1: people unquote. And I'll say this, that number three it

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Speaker 1: does look good on him. He attached to photo of

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Speaker 1: So it does look it looks all right. I mean

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Speaker 1: think Carson Palmer, and there's a big difference between Carson

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Speaker 1: right seeing a number three, whether that's in the secondary,

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Speaker 1: you can actually get a piece of tape and just

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Speaker 1: cancel off the second the second letter or a number, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the draft, great great lead in there, MG,

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Speaker 1: as we talk about the twenty twenty one NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday Proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Seven draft picks, five of those

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Speaker 1: I mean, he may not be active the first couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, but you know, again, he could be a

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Speaker 1: practice squad guy. We'll have to wait and see. I mean,

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Speaker 1: clearly they're going to bring in some veteran corners, are

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Speaker 1: you able to think at some point? Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: do want to get into that a little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: maybe this week, as far as what the Cardinals still

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Speaker 1: need to work on, because I do think I've been

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Speaker 1: adamant about it the entire draft, as far as getting

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Speaker 1: another veteran corner, even though they drafted two corners, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think Marco Wilson and Tay Gowan they

438
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Speaker 1: were not drafted in the same round, but remember a

439
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Speaker 1: year ago Lucky Fotsu and Richard Lawrence the same round,

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Speaker 1: and they've kind of been linked as far as defensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: and you saw some flashes from both of them. Injuries

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Speaker 1: hampered both of them as far as getting them to

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Speaker 1: be available and on the field on Sundays, but they

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Speaker 1: were given an opportunity. I think their rotation players. Whether

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Speaker 1: they become stars or not, who knows, But I do

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Speaker 1: like that comparison when you have two players at the

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Speaker 1: same position and you can watch them develop. Nomola might

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different with Wilson and Gowan because

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Speaker 1: one was in the fourth round the other one was

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Speaker 1: in the sixth round, but they're both tall. They've got

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Speaker 1: the height, they've got the weight, and they've got the speed.

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Speaker 1: The measurables are there to be successful on Sundays. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good comparison. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: read a story on AC cardinals dot Com. Darren got

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Lucky and Richard Lawrence and

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Speaker 1: they were aware of what's going on. They could have

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Speaker 1: drafted alignment early in the draft. Clearly, you know, Collins

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Speaker 1: is a guy that they're going to keep at the

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Speaker 1: mic linebackers, so it's not like he's going to slide

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Speaker 1: down and be a defensive end. They made that very clear.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's that's the business and listen,

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Speaker 1: both of those guys they're going to learn under Brinson Buckner.

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Speaker 1: Now there are going to be rotation guys right now

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Speaker 1: because you figure Zach Allen, j J. Watt and Jordan

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Speaker 1: Phillips and then we'll figure out. But they are going

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Speaker 1: to be rotation guys and they're gonna be on the field.

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Speaker 1: So they're going to take advantage of their opportunity we

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Speaker 1: talk about. You know, we'll see what happens with Corey Peters.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a late edition, you know, maybe he's more

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Speaker 1: of a training camp thing. I haven't heard that he's

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Speaker 1: wants to retire. I assume because he's living here he

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Speaker 1: would like to come back. But that's a cardinal decision.

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Speaker 1: So but you know, when you want the usually keep

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Speaker 1: seven d lineman six on game day and you rotate him,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna make sure you don't burn JJ Watt out.

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Speaker 1: We know how many snaps you played the shore where

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Speaker 1: a thousands of snaps. Now you want them on the field.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying not just on third down. He needs

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Speaker 1: to be on the field three down. So you want

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Speaker 1: to keep these guys fresh when you get to November

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Speaker 1: and December, you know, you don't want to have a

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Speaker 1: guy that's logging a ton of snaps. Again, the starters

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Speaker 1: are going to get the majority, but you have to

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Speaker 1: have backups and create depth. And I like the fact

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Speaker 1: that they've been in the system working with Princeton Buckner.

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Speaker 1: Good point that depth. If you have quality depth, then

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Speaker 1: you can do some rotation. There are some players that

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Speaker 1: you'll never want to see come off the field. I

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Speaker 1: know what Chandler Jones is like that, and you might

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Speaker 1: have to literally pull JJ Watt off the field. But

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Speaker 1: if you can get those snaps to where they're doing

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Speaker 1: well and then increase as the season goes on, I

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Speaker 1: think you had a great phrase in as far as

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Speaker 1: keep these players fresh so they're not getting tired in September,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, getting tired in October and November and of

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Speaker 1: course December. And remember seventeen game season. It might just

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Speaker 1: be one extra game, but that is certainly going to

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Speaker 1: be a factor in how teams kind of manage players reps,

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Speaker 1: not only in practice, but on game day as well.

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Speaker 1: We continue here looking back at what the Cardinals did

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Speaker 1: on Day three and the entire twenty twenty one NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: two selections and the sixth round MJ. Let's move to

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Speaker 1: the seventh round where there were two more selections, one defense,

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Speaker 1: one offense, and that seventh round pick two hundred forty

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Speaker 1: third overall a safety once again the Cardinals. Addressing the

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Speaker 1: secondary James Wiggins five ten, two oh nine out of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: and interesting to hear both the general manager and Wiggins

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Speaker 1: say special teams key for Wiggins early as Kin mentioned

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Speaker 1: quote can play on all four core special teams. Early

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Speaker 1: in his career, Wiggins told the media he enjoys playing

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Speaker 1: special teams. Quote, anywhere you put me to get the

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Speaker 1: ball out, I'll be the best person to do it.

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Speaker 1: Some of the overall in summary are average frame, but

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00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: rocked up and doesn't lack for physicality. Takes sound angles

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Speaker 1: in the run game, boost is high batting average as

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Speaker 1: a tackler, coming with balance and striking his target at

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Speaker 1: excellent time, speed and range in the half field game,

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Speaker 1: understand situation and trusts his vision. Overall, Wiggins owns several

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Speaker 1: necessary traits to play the position in the NFL smarts, athleticism, toughness,

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Speaker 1: but he must stay on the field. He projects to

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Speaker 1: be a depth, depth piece who will push for more

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Speaker 1: playing time if healthy, and I think that is going

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Speaker 1: to be key with him and a lot of these players.

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Speaker 1: Because Wiggins did stuff or a torn ACL in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: came back in twenty twenty to become a second team

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Speaker 1: AP All American thirty two tackles, one interception, seven passes defense,

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Speaker 1: though he admitted he played quote timid, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is just something natural when you're coming off an

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Speaker 1: injury as severe as an ACL, that, especially if it's

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Speaker 1: you know, the first injury of your career and a

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Speaker 1: major injury at that, that sometimes it's not the first

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Speaker 1: year back, but the second year back in which you

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Speaker 1: really feel like your normal self. So perhaps Wiggins, who

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Speaker 1: does have four four speed, not at all safety, but

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Speaker 1: certainly two oh nine, Maybe add some weight. He can

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Speaker 1: be that physical presence in the secondary. Another guy. One.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be active, you're gonna play on

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Speaker 1: special teams. And that's when we're talking about when you

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Speaker 1: talk about day three picks, especially in the six and

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Speaker 1: seventh round. If you want to be one on the team,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to make the roster and then if

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Speaker 1: you want to be active, play on special teams. But

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Speaker 1: I do think Wiggins has the great attitude about knowing

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Speaker 1: where he needs to make an impact initial and that's

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Speaker 1: playing special teams. Yeah, you miss he as you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen miss the season due to a knee injury.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty, though, he comes back first team All American,

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Speaker 1: first team All AC missed the bowl game to a

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Speaker 1: calf injury. Now a three year member of Bruce Feldman,

557
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: who's a really good college writer. Freakslist. He's on the Freakslist.

558
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Speaker 1: Craig Wiggins is an athletic safety and natural feat for

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Speaker 1: the game and a football character that will endear to

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Speaker 1: his coaches. He while he lacks size and makes missteps

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Speaker 1: in man coverage, he can match up on a defender

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Speaker 1: and against tight ends. Okay, that's key there as far

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Speaker 1: as being physical enough to cover a tight it. And

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Speaker 1: now we're not talking about George Kittle tied it, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's talking about a physical freak. That's a

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Speaker 1: physical freak, but someone that is not afraid to borrow

567
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Speaker 1: a phrase from Ron Wifley, stick their face in the

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Speaker 1: fan and not shy away from contact. I'll say this

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Speaker 1: about Wiggins, he does certainly have some good role models

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Speaker 1: as far as football role models. He said he looks

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Speaker 1: at Buddha Baker the physicality, likes Tyrn Matthew because of

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Speaker 1: his ball hockeying skills. And then he also mentioned a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys back in the day, if you will,

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Speaker 1: ed Reid and Andrell role He and Roll went to

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Speaker 1: the same high school. So already there's some immediate errors

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Speaker 1: on the Cardinals connections. And that first name Buddha Baker,

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Speaker 1: which we talked about to open today's show, now all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, Buddha Baker and James Wiggins in the

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Speaker 1: same room, that safety position room. And Buddha Baker, who

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Speaker 1: we know and anticipate to expect to have a louder

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Speaker 1: voice as far as leadership, now becomes a mentor as

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Speaker 1: strange as that is to say out loud, because we

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Speaker 1: still think Buddha Baker is a young player, but now

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Speaker 1: he has established himself as one of the best, if

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Speaker 1: not the best safeties in the game. He's paid like it,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden he'll be asked to

587
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Speaker 1: not only be a leader but also a mentor to

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Speaker 1: a James Wiggins and some of those other young players

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Speaker 1: in the secondary. Yeah, two weeks before assigning day, Williams

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Speaker 1: had decommitted and reopened his recruitment to Illinois Louisville Purdue.

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Speaker 1: Before Kinney committing to Cincinnati. You graduate with degree in

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Speaker 1: criminal justice. In twenty twenty, Wiggins accepted an invitation to

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl but was unable to participate because of

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Speaker 1: an injury. So we'll keep an eye on Wiggins again

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals four years twenty four. Well, he's been around

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Speaker 1: the block, and of course he's dealt with a lot

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Speaker 1: at Cincinnati, but he did have some great seasons in between.

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Speaker 1: Sandwiched in between torn acl and twenty nineteen, the last

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Speaker 1: pick of the draft, two hundred and forty seventh overall,

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Speaker 1: seventh round pick, the Cardinals finally went with an offensive

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Speaker 1: player offensive center Michael Manette six foot four, three hundred

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Speaker 1: one pounds out of Penn States, according to come Great

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Speaker 1: Leadership Skills, great technician, a three year staughter, two year captain,

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Speaker 1: who told the media quote, I'm going to outwork people

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Speaker 1: and just compete. So I like the attitude of Manettes,

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Speaker 1: and I don't anticipate him coming in and being a

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Speaker 1: contributor on special teams. But as far as depth on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, Cardinals right now with fifteen players on

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Speaker 1: their roster, and that is you never know what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen between now on the start of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to beat it out of Rodney Hudson,

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00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But as far as potential as a

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Speaker 1: backup or a project down the road, you know, seventh

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Speaker 1: round picks, I wouldn't say you want to take a

615
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Speaker 1: flyer on someone, but it's someone that you scouted and

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Speaker 1: you like, and it's hope that you can develop them.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone anticipates a seventh round pick coming

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Speaker 1: in and being a starter right away. I do think

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Speaker 1: it's a flyer. I mean Sean Coogler obviously, you know,

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Speaker 1: must like him, and Rodney Hudson's on a contract two

621
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Speaker 1: more years. They couldn't get a third year, possibly depending

622
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: on contract and how he's playing. But this is what

623
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Speaker 1: good teams do. You know, you got a free agent

624
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Speaker 1: that's possibly going to be on a contract for another

625
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: year or two. Doesn't mean he can't compete, you know,

626
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Speaker 1: seventh round picks. He's gonna make the fifty three man

627
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Speaker 1: roster we're going to see. But three year starter captain

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Speaker 1: played at a big time program. I got to think Coogler,

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Speaker 1: you know, was in the offensive staff. So this is

630
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Speaker 1: more about the future. This is more about probably quite frankly,

631
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Speaker 1: no disrespect. I want to see him this year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's like that's bad because

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: then you got Max Garcia, who as a veteran guy

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Speaker 1: who could play guard and center. I'm sure they got

635
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, they'll have three or four centers going to camp.

636
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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, they got fifteen. It's so that's five,

637
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Speaker 1: three different units, so they can roll three different depth

638
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: charts out and then try to rotate guys in competition.

639
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: The right guard spot's going to be open competition, I believe,

640
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: and I think everything will settle down after that. As

641
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: far as a backup to Hudson. Lamont Gilliard would also

642
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: be an option, and I think he's got a little

643
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: bit more as a center. Max Garcia is one of those,

644
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, a Swiss Army Knights, if you will, who

645
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: can play all across the line. And then Manette who

646
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: is going to come in and learn, And he did

647
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: bring up Hudson. He called Hudson the best center and

648
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: the league. And then a question was asked about a Q. Shipley,

649
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: another former Penn State player, and Shipley has spoken with

650
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Manette and the entire Penn State offensive line room. So

651
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: again someone that you're looking to see project to the future.

652
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Remember last year we were all very high on Evan

653
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: Weaver and he did not make the roster. You spent

654
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: the entire season on the practice squad. Now you hope

655
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: that year two for Weaver, the Pac twelve Defensive Player

656
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: of the Year, can take that next step and see

657
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: some reps on the field as an inside linebacker. You

658
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: just don't know. Yeah, you're taking a chance on these players,

659
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: but there's a reason you were selected. Otherwise you wouldn't

660
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: get drafted at all, and you'd be grambling at the

661
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: end of the day to try to find a team.

662
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: I get the Weaver pick. I mean, he was the

663
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: PAC twelve Defensive Player of the Year. He's under size,

664
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: and you know, you start looking at that inside linebacker spot.

665
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: You know, you got Collins, you got Simmons, you have

666
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks, you got Tenor Vallejo, you got Zeke Turner.

667
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: So I think it's a numbers game. And Zeke Turner

668
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: and Tenor Valeo they play on special teams. You know,

669
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Kylie Fitz is more of an out side guys, So

670
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a role for that guy. It's just

671
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: he's a little undersized, but he kind of plays kamikaze.

672
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to see him in preseason

673
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: because that's where kind when the lights come out and

674
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: take advantage of your opportunities. And I know we're probably

675
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: going to get into it at the end of the week.

676
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: But I looked at the free agent list this morning.

677
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Craig Vendre Campbell is still out there. Yes, there's a

678
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: number of cardinal free agents that are still available, and

679
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see how quickly or has

680
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: this become now a little bit of a lull until

681
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: you get closer to training camp because you'll get to

682
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: see some of these players on the field, even if

683
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: it is a limited amount of time. But just see

684
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: where you are going into training camp to where, hey,

685
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: you know what, we're just not satisfied at this position.

686
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Let's go out and sign someone. And we see that

687
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: every single year, but I am surprised on some of

688
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: the names that are still out there, whether that's Cardinal

689
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: free agents or just free agents across the board at

690
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: whatever position. So teams, now, we'll take a step back

691
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't do anything for a little while,

692
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: and maybe they do add someone immediately. The Cardinals right

693
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: now have eighty five players on the roster. Remember it's

694
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: a ninety man roster, So we'll see what happens between

695
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: now and the rest. As far as those undrafted free

696
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: agents that are signed, but we'll wait until that becomes

697
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: official from the Arizona Cardinals. I know there's been some

698
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: players that have been reported, but it's never official until

699
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: you get that press release. Because with some of these deals,

700
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, you agree to it, and then all

701
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden, a better offer comes along and you

702
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: skip down, so to speak, and go to another team,

703
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and then it's going to be interesting this year because

704
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, you got your rookie class and right now

705
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: and you have seven picks, and then you're gonna bring

706
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: in some undrafted free agents and then you so you're

707
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: gonna have to have numbers there. Now you're only gonna

708
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: have five tryout guys. Now, as for one o'clock local

709
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: time today, teams can sign veteran players. That does not

710
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: kind of gunst a compensatory formula. So I think I

711
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: wasn't caught off guard, but I thought, you know, Connor

712
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: could be a guy they signed after the draft, but

713
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: clearly they made a priority to sign him. Game a

714
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: little bit of flexibility. They didn't need to draft to

715
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: run them back in the first couple rounds Nor in

716
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: the draft, so that gave some flexibility there. So yeah,

717
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: as of one o'clock today, it doesn't go against the Farmland.

718
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: Right now, the Cardinals would have I guess they traded

719
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: a pick for next year, so right now they would

720
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: have three Compensuspory picks, five for Patrick Peterson and then

721
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: two in the seventh round. Again, we'll wait and see

722
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: when it comes official, but that's where it's at right now,

723
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: and I give the Cardinals credit for moving up because

724
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: that would have been a long one hundred and eleven

725
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: consecutive picks. And you know the fact that they were

726
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: able to offer a future pick and get the get

727
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: back in the race there because I'm sure that that

728
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: board was just losing players left and right. So give

729
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: them credit. And clearly they didn't have a lot of

730
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: draft capital going in, but they were able to get

731
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: more picks than they went in with. Let me just

732
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: say this about the draft picks, not Zaven Collins and

733
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore. There's a different category that I'll put them in.

734
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: But as far as these picks on Day three, fourth round,

735
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: fifth round, sixth round, and seventh round, we don't know.

736
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: You hope, but you just don't know. And anyone that says, well,

737
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: that was a wasted pick or not a good pick,

738
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: or what are you doing here? Why are you getting

739
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: this guy? No one knows. And just because these names

740
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: are not household names, they are not players that you

741
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: typically hear and read about, it doesn't mean they can't play.

742
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest with you, any of these seven picks,

743
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: they weren't top of mind players that either we discussed

744
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two, or that you heard from

745
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: Amel kiper Junior, Daniel Jeremiah. They're just not household names,

746
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: and people I think get caught up on looking at

747
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: your draft class and saying, I recognize this name, this name,

748
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: this name, that's a good draft class, or I don't

749
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: recognize any of these players. The Cardinals failed in acquiring

750
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: players they can use and play on Sunday. I just

751
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't get that thinking, even though you might not

752
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: have seen them played, or you rely only on one

753
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: or two media members or draft boards. Look, all we

754
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: have is what we see on television, what teams have,

755
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: what front offices have, our game film that's a little

756
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: bit better than what we have on television. And then

757
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: they have medical information, and then they have other information.

758
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: They speak to coaches, they speak to family members. We're

759
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: not doing that. We can certainly say, oh, this guy

760
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: should have gone here, but we don't know the backstory.

761
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: We don't know about the medical situation. So character I

762
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: would just caution everyone, and everyone does it. As far

763
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: as draft raids, I'm not even gonna get into that

764
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: because it just it doesn't mean anything. Right now, we

765
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen these guys a in uniform, let alone on

766
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: the field. So don't get caught up on a minus

767
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: or a C minus or a B plus. It doesn't

768
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: mean anything. Let's have this conversation three years from now

769
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: when we've actually got a resume and some backstory from

770
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: these players. So all we're talking about is hopeful terms

771
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: and trying to not put too much expectation on these players.

772
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Especially when you're drafted on Day three and the Cardinals

773
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: had four picks in around six and seven collectively. You

774
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: can't expect a lot out of that, now, can we

775
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: be surprised? Absolutely? I'm thoroughly intrigued by tay Gowen and

776
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: some of these players, but we just don't know until

777
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: we see them on the field. And just to add

778
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: to what you said, because you know it was well said,

779
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: they've done three years research on these guys. It's not

780
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: like these guys popped up on their screen. So again,

781
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: the fan base, I know they like mock drafts, we

782
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: know they're not very accurate. We know teams don't like

783
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: this guy. On Twitter, he said, well, one of these

784
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: guys were projected to go into seventh round at NFL

785
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: dot Com. I said, well, I can tell you that

786
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: the Cardinals don't look at NFL dot Com. They don't

787
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: rank players, you know, so, but everyone has you know,

788
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: they're always second guests. And they should have drafted a

789
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: corner in the first round. Well, the top three corners

790
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: were off the board. They should have drafted a wide

791
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: receiver in the first round. The top three wide receivers

792
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: were off the board. Well, they should have dropped a lineman.

793
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: The top three linemen were off the board. And then

794
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: it's well, you should have moved up or moved back.

795
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: It's like, well, it takes two teams to do it,

796
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: and then you got to figure out what draft capital

797
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you're using to move up. The Cardinals had none. Yeah,

798
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: it's great to move down and acquire more picks, Yet

799
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: who's coming up to your position? You know, it's you know,

800
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: it's much like people say, oh, you should have done this,

801
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: called this play. It's in the heat of the moment.

802
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: It's something totally different than what we do here, whether

803
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: that's this show or any other median out there. As

804
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: far as talking about the football, Look, we love mock

805
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: drafts because it gives us information. We get to know

806
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: these players better, but it doesn't mean that that's what

807
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: should have happened or did happen. Shoot, ninety nine percent

808
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: of the time, it doesn't happen that way based off

809
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: how all of these mock drafts were set up, Craig,

810
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I know every NFL team you know wants

811
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: to keep you know, fans engaged. We send out mocks,

812
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: and Kyle does a good job in monitoring those. But

813
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: on this show for the last couple of years, we

814
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: really don't talk about mocks. I mean when you say

815
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: this guy was projective, I think you learned with me.

816
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: We just look at names. Now we start to learn

817
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: names and what tiers are they in. Who's the top

818
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: three tier in this position? And that's how you start

819
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: to figure things out. And again I've been saying this

820
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: for years. Bob Ferguson, former general manager, still living in Gilbert,

821
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: always told me Mike just ranked the players. Ranked the players.

822
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the teams. Ranked the players, and then

823
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: you can figure out, you know, what do the Jets need?

824
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: They need a quarterback? What was Clemson they need a quarterback? Well,

825
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: that's why those players are going that high. What its

826
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: inc inn any want? They could have taken the tackle,

827
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: they take a wide receiver. Would Philly want Philly want

828
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: alignment to protect Hurts. No, they take a receiver. So again,

829
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: teams don't share what their draft board looks like. We

830
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: don't see it, we don't hear nobody tells us anything.

831
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: So what I learned is I started watching college football

832
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: in the fall, and this year was difficult. And then

833
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: you start learning names and you'll see, you know, projected

834
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: Moxhall coming out today, which again that's their business, but

835
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's more about learning the player

836
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: in the traits they have and how they would fit

837
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: with a certain team like the Cardinals. Funny, I don't

838
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: remember which publication it was, but I did see already

839
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: and way too early, twenty twenty two NFL mock Draft

840
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: and I saw it and I was like, geez, the

841
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: draft just ended. So again, it's all practice yet Now

842
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: I will say this though, and the Cardinals don't eat

843
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: a quarter I'm not yelling fire in a theater. The

844
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: Valley of the Sun is really well represented in next

845
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: year's draft, at least three possible quarterbacks from the valley

846
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: or the state of Arizona. That's true, and it's a

847
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: good situation to pay attention to if you're a college

848
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: football fan. Here in Arizona, whether that's you know, at

849
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: Arizona State or elsewhere around the country. Because yeah, you're right,

850
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: there are a number of quarterbacks that either played collegiately

851
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: or went to high school here in Arizona that all

852
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden that are showing up on NFL radars.

853
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, I know herm Edwards has done a good job,

854
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: even though the win loss record probably not gonna. I

855
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: think he gets more credit than what they proved obviously.

856
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: Last year COVID really affected them. I liked their quarterback,

857
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: I like their recruits. I want to see more a

858
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: issue players drafted. I mean, we hear about these four now.

859
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: Frank Derby, he goes in the fifth round of the Falcons.

860
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good spot for him. He's

861
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: twenty four years old, so a little bit older guys.

862
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys are coming in twenty twenty one,

863
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: and Craig, the NFL is littered with two and three

864
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: star players. The NFL is litered, with thirty percent of

865
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: the rosters undrafted free ages. Now, you want to hit

866
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds because those are the guys

867
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: you want to extend. But the belly of your roster

868
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: are rounds four through seven guys that you can count

869
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: on and our rotation players that will always be there

870
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: and might be able to have a longer career just

871
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: based off their success rate than perhaps some of those

872
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: early candidates. And you said it perfectly. Yeah, I'd love

873
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: to sit here and say, oh, they got to be me,

874
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: minus they didn't get a tight end, blah blah blah.

875
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is we have to wait. Some of

876
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: these guys may not even sniff the field. Let me

877
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: know how difficult. And last year with no preseason and

878
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: no offseason, I give all those rookies credit because some

879
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: rookies put up big numbers and it's not easy doing that.

880
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: And hopefully this year the Cardinals can have this rookie

881
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: class participate a little bit more than they had in

882
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: the previous years. Now we say all of this bird

883
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: gang with respects to Day three. But it was interesting

884
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: to hear head coach Cliff Kingsbury say this about their

885
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: first two picks Day one and Day two, Zaman Collins

886
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: and Rondel Moore, players that Kingsbury said, quote need to

887
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: play and play early and play a lot. And that

888
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: was the message from Cime and the rest of the

889
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: scouting department. They want to see Zavian Collins and rondel

890
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: Moore on the field. Now, you don't want to force

891
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: it if they're not ready. They're not ready, But based

892
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: off everything that was said over the past three days, MJ,

893
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: they are expecting the Arizona Cardinals' that's the front office

894
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: or the coaching staff that Week one, Zaven Collins better

895
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: make an impact and Ron del Moore better make an impact.

896
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: Now those are lofty expectations. I'm not going to go

897
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: that far just yet, but it was interesting to hear

898
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: that from Kingsbury as far as the message that he

899
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: and his coaching staff have received from general manager Steve

900
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: Kim and the US the personnel people that there has

901
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: to be an emphasis to get those two players on

902
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: the field. And I can appreciate Steve and Cliff not

903
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: coach peak because usually it's a competition. I mean, they

904
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: made it very clear Collins is playing in week one

905
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: next to Isaiah Simmons, and then you'll worry about the

906
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: other stuff. Ron dell Moore what he can do on

907
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: special teams. He's going to be active. I mean, you

908
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: look at the wide receiver roster you look at Hopkins, Kurt,

909
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Hopkins, Green Kirk, and then it's gonna be

910
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 1: Ron del Moore. He's gonna be active. So I heard

911
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: somebody say today that the Cardinals wide receiver position is loaded.

912
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, really loaded, top heavy, very very top heavy. Yeah,

913
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 1: we got to find out who's the fourth, fifth, and sixth. Now, Okay,

914
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: let's talk about this because I got other stuff I

915
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about the wide receiver, including Andy Isabella

916
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: moving forward, but well, plenty of time to talk about

917
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: that later. So let's talk about the first two draft picks.

918
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: And I think there's something to be said about how

919
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: much we see them plays Avan Collins. You know, you

920
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: love his attitude and you love what you hear from him,

921
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: and was also interesting to hear that he did a

922
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: sit down interview with our colleague Lisa Matthews, and she

923
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: brought up an interesting point that first ever draft prospect

924
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: to ask for Steve Kime's cell phone number to actually

925
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: stay in contact and be parts of this organization, whether

926
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: that's advice or what do I need to do? But

927
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: he is going all in, jumping in with both feats,

928
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: which you like to see, and he's got a great backstory,

929
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 1: and now it's just a matter of all right, let's

930
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: see it on the field. Because if you're going to

931
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: play that mike linebacker, that's the quarterback of your defense. Oh,

932
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. And you know, I've talked

933
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: to a few former Cardinals coaches over the weekend, and

934
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because Steve gave the Traymon Edmonds.

935
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: Traymon Edwards for the Bills, and he's been to the

936
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Very similar skills, set in very similar size.

937
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: And I talked to a former coach and he gave

938
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: me the same comp and then he also said Brian Erlacker.

939
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Now Brian Erlacker was a safety and they went to

940
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: a small school in New Mexico. The Cardinals had interest

941
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: in or Lacker, but they decided to draft Thomas Jones

942
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: that year. And you know, Erlacer went out to be

943
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. Now what the Bears did is

944
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: they lined them up at the Sam position his rookie

945
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: year and he struggled. So who's gonna bringing this up?

946
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Steve is maintained, this is not a hybrid linebacker, this

947
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: is a mic linebacker. Again, go back to Erlaker's first

948
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: season that I lined him up as a SAM and

949
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: he struggled, and then they moved into the middle and

950
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: the rest is history. Yeah, you can be that mic

951
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: linebacker and still call the defense, and you can still

952
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: rush the quarterback. You can still drop into coverage or

953
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 1: get a tight end coming across or running back coming across.

954
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: But as far as where you line up initially, ninety

955
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: nine percent of the time, that's where Zavan Collins is

956
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: going to be. He's going to be that mic linebacker.

957
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: Now with Ron del Moore, someone I think might be

958
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: a little bit different to where a wide receiver you

959
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: might see at every single position. You might even see

960
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: him in the backfield a time, or to Kingsbury called

961
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: more quote a jitterbug that can make things happen in space.

962
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: Not very big, five to seven, a buck eighty one.

963
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: And yes, right now you would have to say that

964
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: he has supplanted Andy Isabella. That's just the way it is.

965
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Isabella has had his turn, and the Cardinals do not

966
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: like what they see, so they're going in a different direction.

967
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: At least that's where we stand right now. At least

968
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: that's what I see looking from the outside end well,

969
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, let's connect the dots. I think it's a

970
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 1: total indictment on Andy Isabella and with you know, Christian Kirk.

971
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: Highlight Christian Kirk. But you know, is he a number

972
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: three receiver? He was a two one and a half.

973
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: He tied Hopkins and touchdowns last year. I'm not giving

974
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: up on Kirk, so I think three and four could

975
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: be up for competition. I think the experience with Kirk

976
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: gives him a little bit of an edge there. But

977
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: this is an indictment on Andy Isabella. In my opinion.

978
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: It is going to be fascinating to not only hear

979
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: what comes out of the Arizona Cardinals coaches office and

980
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: also from the locker room, but also to see and

981
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: how much we're able to see before we get to

982
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: training camp because that competition at wide receiver as far

983
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: as three, four and five, there is going to be

984
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot of competition there. And then how does Kingsbury

985
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: mix and match And sometimes maybe it is more starting

986
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: over Kirk, depending on what you want to do. And

987
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: remember when we say start, all it is is they're

988
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: looking at the eleven players on offense and defense who

989
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: are on the field for that first play. That's it.

990
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: You get credit for a start if you play that

991
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: first snap, but if you don't play the rest of

992
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: the game, you still get credit for that start. So

993
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: sometimes I think that quote unquote, oh he started all

994
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: sixteen games, where he started eight games in a row.

995
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to look snap counts as far as

996
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: how many snaps are we seeing this player on the field,

997
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: and also when are those snaps taking place? Well said,

998
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: because yeah, it's one play of the game and it's over.

999
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: We get to the month of September, we'll start to

1000
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: see who's playing. But I do think right now, Kirk's

1001
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: a the number three receiver. I'm just saying he's got experience,

1002
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: He's shown flashes. He's just gotta stay healthy and you know,

1003
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna lose any confidence here. But

1004
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: this has got to be motivation for Christian Kirk. He's

1005
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: going into his final year of his contract. Is he

1006
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: going to be here next year? They got They got

1007
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: Ronald Moore, who may have more upside when it comes

1008
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: to the return game, and he's on a rookie contract.

1009
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: So again, like Bertrand Perry said, they pay attention to

1010
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: guys getting get drafted at your position. You think Jordan

1011
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: Hicks is going, WHOA, what's going on here? I mean,

1012
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: it's it's his human nature, yep. And you're always looking

1013
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: over your shoulder unless you're one of those established guys

1014
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: that are eight, nine, ten years in. But the NFL,

1015
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: you're always looking. You're always looking to replace someone. A

1016
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: Q Shipley taught me that a long time ago, and

1017
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: he was quote unquote replaced every single season, it seemed like.

1018
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: Yet he was always on the field, barring that one

1019
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: season in which he was hurt. But the Cardinals again,

1020
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: seven draft picks, five of those on defense. We'll have

1021
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: plenty to talk about individual as far as these picks

1022
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: and in what they mean for the Cardinals, whether they're

1023
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: on offense, defense, or special teams. There is still a

1024
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: lot of time and we do want to discuss what

1025
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the division did. But how about MJ.

1026
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: We save that for a show down the road. And

1027
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Speaker 1: on that note, let's put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer, Jim.

1030
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Speaker 1: I'm a Hundro for Mike Jareckie. I'm Greig Rayel Loup.

1031
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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals cover two.