Speaker 1: Welcome on it all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My
Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. Hope. Wherever you are and wherever
Speaker 1: you are listening, Hey, you know what, you're having a
Speaker 1: better day today than you did earlier this week if
Speaker 1: like all of us here at Hammer Territory, the outcome
Speaker 1: of Braves ball games has a big impact on your day.
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's a positive, positive cast edition
Speaker 1: of the Hammer Territory after a big win over the
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Speaker 1: Stephen Tolbert, Stephen, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: What's up, buddy? Yeah, it's it's been a rough stretch
Speaker 2: and we needed a win. And was it the prettiest win.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: The offense still, you know, left a lot to be desired,
Speaker 2: but the pitching staff really stepped up. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about the game that was played today in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Of course, we're gonna talk about some of the main
Speaker 2: players of the game, some of the reasons they won,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna break down the Milwaukee series that's
Speaker 2: coming up. But yeah, it was just good to get
Speaker 2: a win. And I don't really I didn't really care
Speaker 2: how it came. I don't care how it looked, how
Speaker 2: real or fake. It was just get a w. And
Speaker 2: they got a w today. So there's this is gonna
Speaker 2: be a more positive show?
Speaker 1: Sure? And what this And I think that with all
Speaker 1: the negativity that's been around the Braves, you know, over
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks, you know, I go back
Speaker 1: to August seventh, when they started this, you know, pretty
Speaker 1: tough stretch of the schedule, playing against clear playoff teams
Speaker 1: or playoff contenders, and the Mets, who they struggled with.
Speaker 1: You know, the offense has has been you know, pretty bad.
Speaker 1: The bullpen has been among you know, I won't say
Speaker 1: the worst in baseball, but it's been you know, below
Speaker 1: average as well. But the negativity probably has taken away
Speaker 1: a bit from you know, the consistent see of the
Speaker 1: starting staff. Now, I think that there's some luck involved
Speaker 1: in that, you know, as I'll let you get into
Speaker 1: with Grant Holmes. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: the results have been consistent. The starting staff has consistently
Speaker 1: given this chance, at least a team a chance to
Speaker 1: win nine times out of ten over the past few weeks.
Speaker 1: They're doing their job, and Grant Holmes do one of
Speaker 1: the better jobs he's done all year. Six innings, allowed
Speaker 1: only one hit. This team overall gave it allowed a
Speaker 1: one hitter, which is something that the Braves you know,
Speaker 1: don't do every day. So that was certainly a positive note.
Speaker 1: And there's two truths to Grant Holmes performance. He did
Speaker 1: very well. He did his job. It was one of
Speaker 1: his better starts of the year. But still there was
Speaker 1: probably more fortune involved on his end than dominance, and
Speaker 1: I think that's worth noting as well, not to take
Speaker 1: away from how big and clutch his performance was, but
Speaker 1: I think that it also needs to be pointed out.
Speaker 1: As good as he's been, there's still still clear signs that,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, in time, a bullpen move may make
Speaker 1: the most since for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it really is kind of one of
Speaker 2: those things where two truths can exist at the same time.
Speaker 2: Grant had really good results today. Six innings, no runs,
Speaker 2: one hit, he got into he pitched into the seventh.
Speaker 2: He didn't get an out in the seventh, but he
Speaker 2: pitched into the seventh, and that is objectively a good outcome.
Speaker 2: For any pitcher. Now, if you look, if you actually
Speaker 2: like pour down into the performance, there were certainly aspects
Speaker 2: where there was nobody who was watching who was like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is a dominating outing from Grant Holmes. He had
Speaker 2: I think two strikeouts on the day and versus three walks,
Speaker 2: which is certainly not the ratio you want. It's giving
Speaker 2: up a lot of hard contact that you know, it
Speaker 2: was just one of those days where the babep gods
Speaker 2: were just smiling down on you. And that happens, right,
Speaker 2: That happens throughout the year some guys, that'll happen for
Speaker 2: you know, a large chunk of the year where just
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, even if there's line drives, even if
Speaker 2: there's one hundred mine hour batted balls or ninety mini
Speaker 2: hour batted balls, like the bab of gods just smile
Speaker 2: upon you. And I think that's how it describe Grant's
Speaker 2: performance today. On a different day, that exact same performance
Speaker 2: very easily could have yielded five or six runs. So
Speaker 2: you know, I don't I'm not gonna freak out over it.
Speaker 2: It's not like going to drastically change my opinion of
Speaker 2: Grant Holmes, who I still think is better used as
Speaker 2: a reliever. But the Braves needed it today. But I mean,
Speaker 2: even if it was a little bit fluky, they don't
Speaker 2: take the win away from you. It doesn't count any
Speaker 2: less because it maybe not the most real thing we've
Speaker 2: ever seen. The wind still counts and the way the
Speaker 2: offense has still been struggling. Those zeros that he was
Speaker 2: putting up, and we're gonna talk about the bullpen a
Speaker 2: little later in the show. The bullpen I thought was
Speaker 2: the real story of the of the day, but we'll
Speaker 2: talk about them in the second segment. The zeros that
Speaker 2: he kept putting up up they needed every one of
Speaker 2: them because the offense certainly had no point, you know,
Speaker 2: took the game over. So man, did they need it.
Speaker 2: They needed a performance. It was such a weird schedule.
Speaker 4: Thing with the day game.
Speaker 2: You know, a city you have to fly into, play
Speaker 2: one day game and then you're you're out again. Very unusual,
Speaker 2: and it was a it was a massive time to
Speaker 2: pitch a shutout. So credit to Grant Holmes, I think
Speaker 2: is the most real thing in the world now. But
Speaker 2: still all the credits are the same because they needed
Speaker 2: that win today.
Speaker 1: And we're at the point of the season, Stephen, where
Speaker 1: when you see these performances you talk about like what
Speaker 1: do they mean for right now? And for me, what
Speaker 1: it means is is that listen, if you want to
Speaker 1: give Grant Holmes another start and you want to go
Speaker 1: with the six man rotation, okay, the only thing that
Speaker 1: I asked is that you managed the pitching staff to
Speaker 1: where Chris Sale pitches on Friday Night the first game
Speaker 1: of the Brewers series, and he pitches the last game
Speaker 1: of the Dodgers series. If you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: fiddle with the starting rotation beyond that, that's fine. The
Speaker 1: bigger thing to me though, for Grant Holmes, whether he's
Speaker 1: a starter or whether he's a reliever, is that he
Speaker 1: continues to answer a bigger question and a more important
Speaker 1: question for me, how many braves arms can you realistically
Speaker 1: rely upon to get through an opposing playoff level lineup
Speaker 1: at least one time through in a playoff game. And
Speaker 1: I think that Grant Holmes has answered that. I think
Speaker 1: that he can do that. I think that him, aj Smith, Schhauber,
Speaker 1: Tyler Malley and Chris Selle are definitely the four that
Speaker 1: you can trust in. And when you get to that
Speaker 1: four plus area, that amount of arms that you can
Speaker 1: trust to go through a full playoff lineup at least
Speaker 1: once you're in a pretty decent position. That is a
Speaker 1: nice trade off for not having a clear number two starter.
Speaker 1: So I think you could take that away from Grant
Speaker 1: Holmes's recent performances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if the playoffs started today, and we
Speaker 2: really try not to do this every show, because I
Speaker 2: know this is something people are doing every single day.
Speaker 2: They litigate this thing every day depending on how the
Speaker 2: game goes. So like, if I was running things and
Speaker 2: the playoffs started today, I would definitely have Christal pitching
Speaker 2: game one. Obviously, Game two, I would have Tyler Mallley
Speaker 2: because ever since he's come over, he's done nothing but impressed.
Speaker 2: You know, the Braves have made a few tweaks and
Speaker 2: he's just been fantastic. I think he's the clearest second
Speaker 2: best starter on the team. And then for the third game,
Speaker 2: I would do a piggyback slash bullpen where in some
Speaker 2: order Grant Holmes is going through the order one time,
Speaker 2: a J. Smith Schaber's going through the order a second time,
Speaker 2: and then Didier flintees Dylan Lee and Rosciollglesias are going
Speaker 2: through the order the last time, and you know Dylan,
Speaker 2: you know, Sprinkling Dylan Dodd and you know whoever else
Speaker 2: you want you to actually get all the outs. But
Speaker 2: based on the personnel they have right now, that's what
Speaker 2: I would do. Now that could change. I still want
Speaker 2: to see more from a J. Smith Schover. What we've
Speaker 2: seen from AJ is that he's he's kind of running
Speaker 2: into a wall around the fifth inning and most of
Speaker 2: his starts, which is fun. You don't need AJ to
Speaker 2: go five in a playoff game. You really just need
Speaker 2: one time through the order, which is what you would
Speaker 2: need from a Grand Holmes. So you know, that's what
Speaker 2: I would do right now. I know, you know the
Speaker 2: Martin Perez people are gonna come out and say, hey,
Speaker 2: what about Martin Perez. I don't I said, don't trust it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust in a playoff game. Grant Holmes, at
Speaker 2: least the first time through the order has like really
Speaker 2: solid peripherals to go along with the era, right whereas
Speaker 2: Perez is mostly just era stuff that's just kind of
Speaker 2: hiding all the negative stuff. So that's what I would
Speaker 2: do right now. Obviously we got a long way to go,
Speaker 2: but it was a big start from from Grant Homes
Speaker 2: today and you know they God, did they need to win.
Speaker 2: It was getting you know, the Phillies don't don't lose anymore,
Speaker 2: so it was getting. It was getting tight.
Speaker 1: The other thing that stood out from an offense perspective,
Speaker 1: and listen, the offense as a whole has certainly struggled,
Speaker 1: but one shining light that we've all been kind of
Speaker 1: waiting on that is starting to burn bright sound a
Speaker 1: better than I thought it would. The point I'm getting
Speaker 1: at is is that we're not to the point to
Speaker 1: where I think you can confidently say, oh, Austin Riley
Speaker 1: is back. I'm not going to say that, but I
Speaker 1: do think that we are to the point now to where, okay,
Speaker 1: Austin Riley, there's there's adjustments that have been made. We've
Speaker 1: we're coming up on about a month. I know it's
Speaker 1: the first part of this month stretch. He was striking
Speaker 1: out quite a bit, but man, his contact levels have
Speaker 1: been extremely, extremely positive basically the whole second half, and
Speaker 1: now you're starting to see him really deliver in big moments.
Speaker 1: I mean today he had both RBIs, you know, in
Speaker 1: a game that was just you know, a two nothing game.
Speaker 1: And it especially stands out when we'll talk about this
Speaker 1: a bit in the second segment. Riley is starting to
Speaker 1: come on as some of the other first tier second
Speaker 1: tier Braves offensive weapons are struggling a bit, So the
Speaker 1: timing of him becoming more reliable is great. And again
Speaker 1: from a playoff perspective, the deeper this Braves lineup is
Speaker 1: the better off it's going to be. And you know,
Speaker 1: Austin Riley can deliver in the clutch on any stage.
Speaker 1: It's just really good to see him putting together at
Speaker 1: bats no matter the situation, to where you can rely
Speaker 1: on him to get the job done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really weird profile right now because there's
Speaker 2: so many strikeouts. Like I think he's running like a
Speaker 2: thirty six percent strikeout rate in August, which is crazy high.
Speaker 2: But he is hitting the ball so unbelievably hard when
Speaker 2: he makes contact. His average exit velocity in August is
Speaker 2: ninety six miles an hour, which is just insane. That
Speaker 2: is that's an insane number.
Speaker 1: Incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and today, I mean he won them the game today.
Speaker 2: He had you know, Maricio Debon started off the third
Speaker 2: inning and I'll be honest, I was running around today.
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to like put my eyes on the
Speaker 2: game today. I was falling along via game day in stadcast.
Speaker 2: But Riches de Bond let off the third with a
Speaker 2: single up the middle, and then Austin wrote that double
Speaker 2: down the line and ratio scored and that was the
Speaker 2: only run in the game for a long time. And
Speaker 2: then he came up again. I think he singled up
Speaker 2: the middle the second time or the third his third
Speaker 2: at bat. He had two strikeouts in between, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, again, that's kind of what he's been doing.
Speaker 2: Like he's either swinging and missing or he's hitting the
Speaker 2: absolute piss out of the ball. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a really weird profile right now.
Speaker 2: But the bottom line is since July thirty first, Austin's
Speaker 2: got a one twenty five WRC plus. I think it
Speaker 2: might be a one twenty eight if you factor in
Speaker 2: today's stuff. So that's like very good. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like kind of what I expect out of Austin rally,
Speaker 2: Like I think of Austin in terms of true talent
Speaker 2: level when he's going well, is like a one twenty
Speaker 2: five WRC plus. Guy I put Acunya in Olsen in
Speaker 2: like the one forty range, I put Baldwin in like
Speaker 2: the onenge, I put Austin like the one twenty five rates.
Speaker 2: And by the last month, you know, not quite a month,
Speaker 2: probably like three weeks, that's what he's been so and
Speaker 2: I don't really care about the strikeouts as long as
Speaker 2: you're producing. I think strikeouts are one of those things
Speaker 2: that are a little over talked about. It usually means
Speaker 2: you're swinging pretty hard, and it usually means you're working
Speaker 2: pretty deep in the accounts. And both those things are
Speaker 2: actually positive. So you know, we'll see, we'll see how
Speaker 2: it goes. I'm not there, I agree with you. I'm
Speaker 2: not like ulcernized back. We're not there yet. There's still
Speaker 2: a couple of red flags in the profile. But he
Speaker 2: was fantastic, was huge today, and he's been really big
Speaker 2: in August. I think he's been their second best there
Speaker 2: in August, behind Olsen. So tried it to him. I
Speaker 2: mean the Braves, my god, did they need it. And
Speaker 2: with the way the rest of the lineup is going,
Speaker 2: it was matt massive, massive production today.
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Speaker 1: at fastenal dot com for more information. So, Stephen, some
Speaker 1: good to talk about today, but still a bit of bad.
Speaker 1: And it's necessary to talk about this because this aspect
Speaker 1: of the team has absolutely got to do a one
Speaker 1: to eighty overnight for them to really be set up
Speaker 1: to have success, you know, over the next week. And
Speaker 1: that is the top of the order. The Brave Star
Speaker 1: is getting back to being stars, and in particular we're
Speaker 1: talking about ronald' coooney Junior and Drake Baldwin. The simple
Speaker 1: truth is this you and when I talk about tiers
Speaker 1: of the Braves offense, the first tier is clearly ronald'coone Junior,
Speaker 1: Drake Baldwin and Metals. And there's a reason why those
Speaker 1: three guys in whatever order are batting in the top
Speaker 1: three of the Braves lineup. But right now Ronald cooony
Speaker 1: U and Drake Baldwin are not living up to you
Speaker 1: know that, you know, expected level of production. And I'm
Speaker 1: not necessarily concerned, Like I still am very confident that
Speaker 1: literally overnight they can change back to be in them
Speaker 1: normal sales. But the thing that is concerning to me
Speaker 1: is that, you know, over the years with Acunya and
Speaker 1: in the short time that we know Baldwin, even if
Speaker 1: they're batted ball, production has been a bit of a struggle.
Speaker 1: Their ability to get on base has still remained, you know,
Speaker 1: above average to elite, and Acunya's case definitely elite. But
Speaker 1: even that right now is something that is kind of
Speaker 1: an all encompassing struggle. What I'm getting at is is
Speaker 1: that for the month of August, currently both Ronald Acunya
Speaker 1: Junior as well as Drake Baldwin have less than a
Speaker 1: six percent walk rate. They right now are just not
Speaker 1: able to get the job done when it comes to
Speaker 1: getting on base. Acunya is at a four point one
Speaker 1: percent walk rate. Drake Baldwin is at a five point
Speaker 1: four percent walk rate, but It's not only the inability
Speaker 1: to draw walks. It's the fact that there's just bad
Speaker 1: decisions when it comes to plate discipline. And in the
Speaker 1: game and the finale against the Twins on Wednesday, you know,
Speaker 1: there was early in the game there was an opportunity
Speaker 1: for them to be able to drive, you know, or
Speaker 1: run in. I think it was runners on first and second,
Speaker 1: less than one out, both Baldwin and Acunya worth a
Speaker 1: two to two count, but then they chase bald three,
Speaker 1: Acunya rolled over and grounded out, Baldwin struck out. I
Speaker 1: think today we saw multiple scenarios where they had a
Speaker 1: chance to drive in runs with less than two outs,
Speaker 1: and both times both of them came up empty. Baldwin
Speaker 1: and Nkunya. What makes them so good offensively is that
Speaker 1: even if they were to struggle again with that bad
Speaker 1: and ball production on base ability still is something that
Speaker 1: can be reliable. But that's not there right now, and
Speaker 1: that's something that's got to get back in place. Once
Speaker 1: you get that back in place, I think there everything
Speaker 1: else will fall into place. But the plate discipline that
Speaker 1: kind of defines, you know, is a is a you
Speaker 1: know trade, an elite trade to both Baldwin and Ncunya.
Speaker 1: That's got to get back on track, now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really where it's been most noticeable to me
Speaker 2: is the lack of walks, the lack of on base
Speaker 2: those I mean, I mean, obviously along with Matt easily
Speaker 2: the two best on base guys on the team. I mean,
Speaker 2: they just that's why they always bat one and two
Speaker 2: is because they're always on base. And you've seen a
Speaker 2: lot of chase, a lot of swing and miss in
Speaker 2: the dirt like pitches they normally take. And you know,
Speaker 2: in the month of August, I think, uh, Drake Baldwin
Speaker 2: has like a ninety WRC plus I think Acunya has
Speaker 2: like a one hundred or like a ninety nine WRC like,
Speaker 2: So they haven't been like awful, but there's certainly multiple
Speaker 2: levels below what you expect them to be. And they've
Speaker 2: had big moments where they could have really impacted games
Speaker 2: where we've seen some really rough at bats and like today,
Speaker 2: you know, Acunya just had some unbelievably bad at bats
Speaker 2: today and multiple big spots. Drake's had some big strikeouts
Speaker 2: and with the runners in scoring position, like I know,
Speaker 2: Acuna drove in a bunch of runs or not a bunch,
Speaker 2: but a large percentage of their runs in the Milwaukee series,
Speaker 2: but he had opportunities to drive in even more. And
Speaker 2: you know, just it's very inconsistent right now. And again,
Speaker 2: if you look at their production in August, it's not
Speaker 2: necessarily bad, it's just not where the Braves need it
Speaker 2: to be in terms of who we're talking about, what
Speaker 2: they're expected, Like, you know, Acunya and Baldwin. Ike's again
Speaker 2: I said this earlier. I expect those guys to be
Speaker 2: in the one thirty one forty WRC plus range. That's
Speaker 2: their talent level. And so when you see those guys
Speaker 2: at one hundred or below that, it's just it's you know,
Speaker 2: they the Braves need more. And you know, being hot
Speaker 2: in August is not everything. Of course, being hot in
Speaker 2: October is really what's gonna matter. But you know, it
Speaker 2: would just be lovely to see these two guys get
Speaker 2: on track. We still have not seen. I don't know that, Sean,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know if at
Speaker 2: any point this year we have seen Ronald Cunyeter Junior, Drake,
Speaker 2: Baldwin and Mattlson all like hitting very well at the
Speaker 2: same time, like either they're not in the lineup at
Speaker 2: all because they're not healthy, or they're in there but
Speaker 2: they're not like on It just feels like we haven't
Speaker 2: had that at all this year, and that is one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why the Braves are middle of the
Speaker 2: pack in just about every offensive category except Homer's basically,
Speaker 2: but like all of the rate stuff, they're like fourteenth, fifteenth,
Speaker 2: sixteenth in baseball because like, those three guys, those are
Speaker 2: the three guys you expect to carry the lineup, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's happened one time this year where
Speaker 2: all three are going at the same time. So Drake Baldwin,
Speaker 2: Ronald Cuney Junior, the Braves need more out of those
Speaker 2: two guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, if you recap it. So of course, there
Speaker 1: was also the stretch there where I think for like
Speaker 1: ten weeks from like uh May second through past the
Speaker 1: All Star break, you didn't have Baldwin and Acuny in
Speaker 1: the lineup together because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the Baldwin's injury and the Nacunia's injury. So
Speaker 1: you know in April when everything was going great, that's
Speaker 1: when you had him in the lineup the most. At
Speaker 1: least Akunya was getting no base Baldwin was otherworldly. And
Speaker 1: that's probably our best stretch to baseball this year.
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, it's a good point.
Speaker 1: Then in July, Matt Olsen was was going off like crazy.
Speaker 1: No early August as well. You know, Acunya is running
Speaker 1: a two forty three ISO in August, so he's still
Speaker 1: making hard contact. Baldwin, I haven't looked at it this deeply.
Speaker 1: I think that pitch, the pitching around the league has
Speaker 1: adjusted to him a bit to make it to where
Speaker 1: it's harder for him to be able to drive those
Speaker 1: low balls that he's you know, so attracted to. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing at times to see how much loft
Speaker 1: and power he can get behind those balls below the zone.
Speaker 1: And I think pitchers are kind of, you know, using
Speaker 1: that to their advantage against him, and it's keeping him uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: maybe bringing that down too much. But the point is is, listen,
Speaker 1: both of them have the talent to be able to
Speaker 1: get back going at any point in time and get
Speaker 1: back going quickly. And that's what they need to do
Speaker 1: obviously for us to have success against Milwaukee and the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: But the big thing is is they just need to
Speaker 1: get back to being confident in each approach to where
Speaker 1: they're not chasing, they're not flailing or you know, putting
Speaker 1: too much pressure on themselves. Just need to realize that, Hey,
Speaker 1: the whole bedrock of what makes you successful is the
Speaker 1: plate discipline that leads to a lot of walks. And
Speaker 1: then that plate discipline also allowed for you to queue
Speaker 1: up when you can drive the ball. Getting back to
Speaker 1: that would be really, really helpful.
Speaker 2: But he just one number real quick, because this kind
Speaker 2: of drives the point home. In the month of August,
Speaker 2: Michael Harris has two walks, Ronald Cooner Junr. Has three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so almost the exact same number of walks in a
Speaker 2: month for Michael Harris and Ronald Coon Jr. That is
Speaker 2: not like that. That can't happen. My Ronald runs like
Speaker 2: a fifteen percent walk rate for his career. Mike runs
Speaker 2: like a three percent walk rate for his career. Like,
Speaker 2: Ronald's got to get back, and you're seeing it in
Speaker 2: the strikeouts. Ronald's striking out a lot right now because
Speaker 2: it's swinging up a lot of bad pitches. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I don't know what it is. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he doesn't feel comfortable with the plate or what.
Speaker 2: But like we got to get back to Ronald and Drake.
Speaker 2: Drake's running a really low walk rade in August two.
Speaker 2: Those guys got to get back to taking bad pitches
Speaker 2: and letting letting people walk them if they want to
Speaker 2: walk them, walk them. Having multiple guys on base when
Speaker 2: Matt Olsen gets to the plate is perfectly fine. Like
Speaker 2: it's a level of aggression that's been weird to watch.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been an issue.
Speaker 1: So if we want to talk about bouncing back, getting
Speaker 1: to the point earlier in the podcast that you said
Speaker 1: was probably the biggest takeaway or the biggest factor in
Speaker 1: the Brade's winning was how dominant this bullpen was. And listen,
Speaker 1: this was this was a glimpse at why you I
Speaker 1: others have talked about again, when everybody's healthy, probably the
Speaker 1: aspect of this team that is closest to be in
Speaker 1: true contender level is the back end of this bullpen.
Speaker 1: And you had Diddy hear for Wintes. Don't Lee and
Speaker 1: Ryce eel Iglacias all come in Diddy or f Wintest
Speaker 1: was absolutely nails coming in with you know, two runners
Speaker 1: on nobody else, but nine innings pitched. I don't that
Speaker 1: they didn't allow a hit and seven strikeouts combined between
Speaker 1: those two. All three of them had had some signs
Speaker 1: of regression here recently, especially rys Sale and Glaciers, so
Speaker 1: it was really good to not only see that they
Speaker 1: were bouncing back, but this Chicago White Sox lineup is
Speaker 1: no pushover. It's one of the better lineups that are
Speaker 1: in the league. So this also gives you a pretty
Speaker 1: good glimpse as to how impactful a reliable back in
Speaker 1: the bullpen could be in a postseason set up, and
Speaker 1: this felt like a postseason game. They got the job done,
Speaker 1: and it was great to see that, you know, they
Speaker 1: still had the ability in them to do exactly that
Speaker 1: get the job done, especially when it's need a win
Speaker 1: is needed so badly.
Speaker 2: So I got I got a trivia question for you.
Speaker 2: Let me see if you can get it. So, if
Speaker 2: you look at all the Braves' pitchers for twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: if you look at four, Chrysale is number one at
Speaker 2: four point six f four. Yeah, can you tell me
Speaker 2: who's next? Who are the next couple of guys?
Speaker 1: Did hear for Wines and Dylan Lee.
Speaker 2: Did he hear Frontes and Dylan Lee? So two relievers, they're
Speaker 2: both right at like two war I think ones at
Speaker 2: one point nine and ones at one point eight, So
Speaker 2: basically the sorry ahead.
Speaker 1: No, And I was gonna say, I if Wintes gets
Speaker 1: to two f war, I will be. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be really fun to see like rookie relievers and
Speaker 1: MB history at his age who have produced that level
Speaker 1: of quality. You know, you've seen rookie relievers do it
Speaker 1: in their mid twenties, but like you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what Krod did in two thousand and two. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not saying he's that dominant, but I would
Speaker 1: be I would venture to guess that someone as young
Speaker 1: as for Wintes doing what he's doing in a relief aspect,
Speaker 1: it hasn't been done very much. So it's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to see what he's doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be so again, Lee is at I
Speaker 2: think one point nine at four, Frontes is at one
Speaker 2: point eight. Those are both in the top ten in
Speaker 2: all of Major League Baseball. So effectively, the Brakes have
Speaker 2: two of the best relievers in baseball, two of the
Speaker 2: top ten best best relievers in baseball, and neither one
Speaker 2: is their closer or technically their setup man when everyone's healthy,
Speaker 2: like the obviously, the whole point of the team was
Speaker 2: it was gonna be Iglesias Sorez and then we'll figure
Speaker 2: out the rest. They're the two best pitchers on the
Speaker 2: team not named Chris Sale this year have been Dylan
Speaker 2: Lee and Diddeer Flintes. And we saw that today. Uh,
Speaker 2: if you didn't watch the game, gren Holmes, He's goes
Speaker 2: through six innings, everything's great. Seventh inning he walks the
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter and then he gives up his first hit
Speaker 2: of the game and then they pull him. And it's
Speaker 2: a two to nothing game at this point, so very
Speaker 2: much still a close contest. Very much the game could
Speaker 2: still be lost. They go to Didier Flintes with two
Speaker 2: guys on and no one out in the seventh. He
Speaker 2: goes strikeout, strikeout, strikeout to get out at the inning,
Speaker 2: and it's nasty stuff. Dylan Lee comes in the next
Speaker 2: inning and goes, I think, strikeout, ground out, strikeout. Iglaciers
Speaker 2: comes in the ninth and goes ground out, strikeout, strikeout.
Speaker 2: So they go nine up, nine down with seven strikeouts
Speaker 2: out of that group. That is pit. That is elite pitching.
Speaker 2: That is not That is pitching on a level where
Speaker 2: you're not you don't care about the bab it luck
Speaker 2: because you're not letting anybody put the ball in play anyways,
Speaker 2: like it doesn't matter. That is elite and that's that
Speaker 2: was the most encouraging part of the day because Fintest
Speaker 2: had run into a little bit of a wall. Glaciers
Speaker 2: certainly had run into a little bit of a wall.
Speaker 2: But when they pitched like that and they can shut
Speaker 2: a game down, I mean, they just shut that game down.
Speaker 2: Like the White Sox had some momentum, had two guys
Speaker 2: on nobody out. I think it was the heart of
Speaker 2: their lineup up as well when Flintes came in and
Speaker 2: he just mowed him down. And to have two relievers
Speaker 2: on your team who neither one are the closer who
Speaker 2: might make it to like a three win season is
Speaker 2: actually unbelievable. I don't know how many times that's ever happened.
Speaker 2: I'm actually just gonna I'm gonna have to look that up.
Speaker 2: That is not common at all, That rarely just having
Speaker 2: a three win reliever at all is very very rare.
Speaker 2: To have two of them on your team and neither
Speaker 2: one is the closer is pretty crazy. So Dylan Lee
Speaker 2: did your frontes, I mean, two of the unsung heroes
Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty sixth season, with all the rotation stuff,
Speaker 2: with all the offense stuff, with the Suarez injury, with
Speaker 2: the Iglesias up and down, like, Lee and Flintes have
Speaker 2: been absolute rocks this year. And it's crazy that Fintees
Speaker 2: is as young as he is and doing this. You
Speaker 2: and I have talked about it. I don't know that
Speaker 2: they can afford to take Fintes out of the bullpen.
Speaker 2: That might be just your future closer, that might be
Speaker 2: your next Craig Kimberl. I don We'll see, But my god,
Speaker 2: have they been good this year? And they were unbelievably good.
Speaker 1: Today, absolutely, and and and they're going to have to
Speaker 1: continue to be that because we talk about elite pitching,
Speaker 1: we talk about, you know, this Braves team. The stars
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Speaker 1: So Steve and I'll let you do a little bit
Speaker 1: more research and we will follow up with this, you know,
Speaker 1: as we go through the rest of the season. But
Speaker 1: I did just look up on fangrafs individual seasons for
Speaker 1: the Brais. I can look back ten years, I believe,
Speaker 1: you know, if if I'd think I need to sign
Speaker 1: in order to be able to look past that, but
Speaker 1: looked from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty six Here's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a trivia question for you. Who is
Speaker 1: the only Braves reliever over the past decade to have
Speaker 1: a two plus f war season. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you to give me the name of the year.
Speaker 2: Just give me the name, Okay, Who's the only reliever
Speaker 2: for the Braves to have a two F four season
Speaker 2: in the last ten years? That Tyler Matzik twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one season was nuts, aj Minterer had a couple of
Speaker 2: nasty years, and Iglesias has had a couple of nasty
Speaker 2: That would probably I would probably lean one of those
Speaker 2: three Iglesias, Mintor or Matsick. But I don't know who
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: Did you choose one?
Speaker 2: Oh? I got it is one of those I'll say
Speaker 2: Matsik in twenty.
Speaker 1: One, one year off and in one name of twenty
Speaker 1: two A J. Minter Aj. Now now to your point,
Speaker 1: the second was twenty twenty four Joe.
Speaker 2: Jimenez and then I forget about him.
Speaker 1: Third and fourth best relief seasons in terms of far
Speaker 1: for the Braves since twenty sixteen are Dylan Lee as
Speaker 1: well as Vidi or f Wintes this year. So it
Speaker 1: goes to show that we were talking about two and
Speaker 1: a half f war maybe three four relievers who are
Speaker 1: not closers. How rare it is. You see how rare
Speaker 1: it's been to where potentially the Braves could have two
Speaker 1: No you were if you were to look at a
Speaker 1: team having multiple two f four of better relievers who
Speaker 1: have five or less saves. I'm sure it hasn't happened
Speaker 1: that often, but that'll be a follow up to see
Speaker 1: what happens. So, Steven, I'm not sure if you will
Speaker 1: remember this, because I know you're not a WW fan,
Speaker 1: but I am going to tap into that, you know,
Speaker 1: realm of things here quickly. In twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 1: next big thing that was on the scene in WWE.
Speaker 1: His name was brock Lesner. And he faced the Rock
Speaker 1: at SummerSlam and won the title from the Rocket SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: Back in twenty twenty two, Rock wasn't that old, but
Speaker 1: he was towards the end of his ww career. Well,
Speaker 1: fast forward twenty four years and this year as SummerSlam,
Speaker 1: it was Obafemi, Who's the next big thing facing off
Speaker 1: against Rock Lesner. In each case you had the next
Speaker 1: big thing, kind of the rookie on the scene that
Speaker 1: really seemed to be the future of the position that
Speaker 1: they're in. And that's what you got in Jacob Misarowski. Right,
Speaker 1: You've got Jacob Mizerowski as being the next big thing
Speaker 1: doing something that we've never seen before, facing off against
Speaker 1: a grizzled veteran who's still at the peak in Chris Sale.
Speaker 1: The point that I'm getting at is is, rather you're
Speaker 1: a wrestling fan, a boxing fan, a UFC fan, this
Speaker 1: is about his marquee main event WrestleMania type level. What
Speaker 1: have you when it comes to pitching Jacob Miserowski the
Speaker 1: mizz versus Chris Sale. Obviously, in my opinion, two of
Speaker 1: the at least three, maybe four top candidates for the
Speaker 1: NLCY Young Race, we almost got it a few months
Speaker 1: ago when the Braves beat Mizarowski. We're getting it on
Speaker 1: Friday night, and it's going to be awesome to see.
Speaker 1: And I know that, Hey, a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: may not necessarily be that high on the Braves offense
Speaker 1: against Miserrowski, but let's not forget we faced him in
Speaker 1: June when we were struggling as well, and we got
Speaker 1: the job done against him. That Rissio debon two run single.
Speaker 1: I've talked a lot, but I'm talking it up because
Speaker 1: of how big it is, a really really marquee pitching
Speaker 1: matchup in a huge playoff preview to start off a
Speaker 1: big series on Friday night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you look in the National League, the top
Speaker 2: three pitchers in the National League by war are Miserowski,
Speaker 2: Christopher Sanchez, and Chris Sale. So it's probably, i mean
Speaker 2: easily two of the three best pitchers in the National League,
Speaker 2: probably two of the five best pitchers in baseball. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun. I've never seen Misserowski's average fastball
Speaker 2: this year. Average fastball this year is one hundred and
Speaker 2: one miles an hour, which I I've never I didn't
Speaker 2: even know as possible for anybody much less a starter.
Speaker 2: It maybe one thing if a ninth inning guy was
Speaker 2: doing that, but a starter averaging one hundred and one
Speaker 2: miles an hour on your fourteen fasketball for the entire season,
Speaker 2: his nuts. Yeah, he's just unbelievable. But listen, the Braves
Speaker 2: beat him two months ago and in the middle of
Speaker 2: some of their worst baseball. That was in June, when
Speaker 2: the Braids were playing like ass for like two weeks.
Speaker 2: It was I think he was Miserowski versus like Perez
Speaker 2: Martine Perez, and then it was Harrison the next night,
Speaker 2: and the Brais beat both of them. One of the
Speaker 2: only series they won in June, ironically, was against these
Speaker 2: two guys. So obviously it's gonna be on the road.
Speaker 2: Also in the middle of this very weird road trip
Speaker 2: where a ton of travel over the next four days,
Speaker 2: four different cities in five days or something like that,
Speaker 2: So I certainly don't feel great about it. The offense
Speaker 2: still today, even though they won, did not look good,
Speaker 2: So you know, I definitely one of these games was like,
Speaker 2: all right, Chris, we're gonna need a shutout or we're
Speaker 2: gonna need like one run. Fuentes, Lee and Iglasiers all
Speaker 2: pitched today, I do think, let me think, I can't
Speaker 2: remember if any of them pitched on Wednesday, So it's
Speaker 2: gonna be just to see who's available out of the bullpen,
Speaker 2: because I have a feeling it's gonna be a low
Speaker 2: scoring game, which means typically you want your high leverage relievers.
Speaker 2: All of them pitched today, though, so we'll see what
Speaker 2: Walt has available tomorrow. But yeah, I mean, if it's
Speaker 2: like a two to one game, I mean, that's kind
Speaker 2: of what you expect. So it's not great news for
Speaker 2: the offense. Unfortunately, as the offense continues to struggle, probably
Speaker 2: the last guy on the planet you want to see,
Speaker 2: but that's who they get. And Milwaukee's a really good team,
Speaker 2: obviously best. I think they're the best record in the majors.
Speaker 2: So you know, at home, they're really tough. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be a tough it's gonna be a tough challenge. This
Speaker 2: is one of those series were like, I hate to
Speaker 2: say it, but like you're probably just hoping not to
Speaker 2: get swept, Like I would probably be happy with one
Speaker 2: out of three. I know that's that's not all that encouraging,
Speaker 2: but this is not a series going into Milwaukee against Mizerowski.
Speaker 2: It's not a series you can expect to win two
Speaker 2: out of three. You hope to win two out of three,
Speaker 2: but I would probably be happy with just split it
Speaker 2: or just winning one of the three and not getting swept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And to add to how tough this team is,
Speaker 1: I think I lift it up yesterday, Milwaukee also has
Speaker 1: I believe it's that. I think I saw that they
Speaker 1: had a one point seven to one bullpen the r
Speaker 1: in the month.
Speaker 2: Their bullpen is. Their bullpen is so good. I don't
Speaker 2: know how anybody ever scores off this team.
Speaker 1: It's just waves. So how do the Braves didn't get
Speaker 1: it done? If they're facing such a good pitching staff, well,
Speaker 1: number one, if they create the run scoring opportunities. They
Speaker 1: can't sit here and go through multiple waves of opportunity
Speaker 1: and not get the job done. How do they get
Speaker 1: the job done? It's power, It's absolute power. That's what
Speaker 1: it comes down to. The Braves. When you look at
Speaker 1: all the playoff contenders that are out there right now,
Speaker 1: they've hit more home runs than any of them. I
Speaker 1: think the Braves have fifty plus more home runs than
Speaker 1: the Brewers this year. The Braves are the more powerful team.
Speaker 1: The problem is is that in August they've hit twenty
Speaker 1: two home runs. Eighteen of those home runs have been
Speaker 1: solo home runs. Sixty five percent of the Braves home
Speaker 1: runs this year have been the solo variety. And you
Speaker 1: just talked about, Steven, how some of these games could
Speaker 1: be two to one, three to two. The way the
Speaker 1: Braves can get the job done is in an innying
Speaker 1: where they get a couple of runners on a big blast.
Speaker 1: They can do it. They can get it done. It
Speaker 1: may not necessarily happen on Friday against Mesroowski, but if
Speaker 1: you can at least have over the next two games
Speaker 1: that type of power output happened one or two home
Speaker 1: runs and at least get one of the two. Then
Speaker 1: we get to Williamsport. Hey, you're in a different setting,
Speaker 1: a weird setup. Maybe things go your way, but power
Speaker 1: is going to be the key to get the job done.
Speaker 1: And of course, Steven, as you consistently point out, that's
Speaker 1: why this is a good playoff preview, because power is
Speaker 1: going to reign supreme whether you're here now in a
Speaker 1: big moment or you're in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, that's I mean, that's how you beat great pitching.
Speaker 2: Is you you hope to get a single somewhere and
Speaker 2: then somebody pops a two run homer, right, and then
Speaker 2: you hope to do that maybe one more time somewhere
Speaker 2: in the game, and then try to make that stand
Speaker 2: up because you're not going to score eight run so
Speaker 2: against this level of pitching, if you score four runs,
Speaker 2: that is an incredible offensive performance, and you need to
Speaker 2: try to make that stand up so that you know,
Speaker 2: the idea that you're going to get like six hits
Speaker 2: in the same inning against guys you know pitching like
Speaker 2: this is just it's not impossible, but it's just very unlikely.
Speaker 2: So you know, this is why I've said for years
Speaker 2: and years, when you get into this playoff it's it's
Speaker 2: basically playoff style baseball with this level of pitching power
Speaker 2: is so important because you've got to be able to
Speaker 2: pop a two run homer after somebody gets a walk
Speaker 2: or a single, and that's your rally, right, That's how
Speaker 2: you put up crooked numbers against elite pitching. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the you know, we certainly need to see a little
Speaker 2: more patience out of the offense. I think it's been
Speaker 2: a it's been a weirdly aggressive offense for like the
Speaker 2: last three weeks where like, you know, you'll look up
Speaker 2: and the opposing pitcher has gotten you know, twelve outs
Speaker 2: on like thirty pitches, and it just happens every day,
Speaker 2: it seems like, and there's just they're swinging at everything.
Speaker 2: It's like everybody turned into you know, Michael Harris or
Speaker 2: you know, Ozzie, Like nobody has just taking anything, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what. Sometimes when you
Speaker 2: get in a slump, everybody just tries to swing their
Speaker 2: way out of it. Maybe it's a little bit of that,
Speaker 2: but swinging at bad pitches is almost always a bad idea.
Speaker 2: It's almost never a good idea to swing at a
Speaker 2: bad pitch, and it's almost never a good idea to
Speaker 2: take a good pitch. But the brains are swinging in
Speaker 2: a lot of bad pitches, so they got to get
Speaker 2: back to being able to take bad pitches, work the count,
Speaker 2: take some walks, and hopefully pop a couple of homers.
Speaker 2: Not gonna be easy. Milwaukee's probably the best pitching staff,
Speaker 2: at least by production, probably the best pitching staff in
Speaker 2: baseball now. By talent, it's obviously the Dodgers, but by production,
Speaker 2: this year, it's probably Milwaukee. So even the guys that
Speaker 2: got pitching after Miserowski, I think the logan Henderson is
Speaker 2: on Saturday, very good pitcher. Most British fans probably never
Speaker 2: heard of him, which is a theme with a lot
Speaker 2: of Milwaukee's guys, Guys you've never heard of who are
Speaker 2: having monster years. They are a player development machine at
Speaker 2: this point. They've become the national version of Tampa. So
Speaker 2: it's gonna be tough. It's gonna it's not gonna be
Speaker 2: an easy series.
Speaker 1: And then you put all that young, controllable pitching together
Speaker 1: with the idea, hey we haven't even seen Jesus, what
Speaker 1: is it made come up yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got that note like the number one prospect
Speaker 2: in baseball, so it's there.
Speaker 1: They're a very NBAS team. But hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: the Braves can get the job done. They did it
Speaker 1: earlier this year. Again, at the time when it did
Speaker 1: not seemed like it was the best setup for him,
Speaker 1: they got the job done. They can do it once again.
Speaker 1: It just takes again your stars being stars. You know
Speaker 1: Sale is going to get the job done. You gotta
Speaker 1: trust that the guys on your offense will do the same. Stephen,
Speaker 1: anything else from you as we wrap up this edition
Speaker 1: of the Hammer Territory podcast.
Speaker 2: There was one thing I wanted to say. I'm not
Speaker 2: an Atlanta guy, don't live in Atlanta. There's a there's
Speaker 2: a local radio station there. The name. As I was
Speaker 2: saying this, the name escapes me. But they just like
Speaker 2: had their laws. It's on it's on six't eighty. I
Speaker 2: can't remember the name of it now, but anyway, they
Speaker 2: had their like last show, uh yesterday, I think it's
Speaker 2: Chuck and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, chuck and turn off. I believe I'm.
Speaker 2: Chucking turn off. That's what it is. Anyway, they apparently
Speaker 2: they've they've been on the radio forever. Again, I'm not local,
Speaker 2: so I don't listen to it, but I know a
Speaker 2: lot of our listeners do, and I saw a lot
Speaker 2: of the online stuff of like, you know, congrats guys, congrats.
Speaker 2: So obviously a very popular show. So just congrats to
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, don't I don't know anything about
Speaker 2: like why they're stopping. Maybe it's just run its core.
Speaker 2: I know it's been a long time, so but yeah,
Speaker 2: just congrats to those guys for the braves. Don't get swept,
Speaker 2: don't get go win at least one of these games.
Speaker 2: Miserowski Versus Sale is an incredible baseball game to watch.
Speaker 2: It would be more fun if I didn't have a
Speaker 2: rooting interest, because now I've got to live and die
Speaker 2: with it. But like, just from a pure baseball perspective,
Speaker 2: Sale versus. Miserowski is as good as you will see
Speaker 2: all year. So I know it's a day game, it's
Speaker 2: a it's an inconvenient time to watch a baseball game tomorrow.
Speaker 2: But if you do get a chance that that is
Speaker 2: going to be premium level pitching.
Speaker 1: So it's chuck and turn off. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: act like I know the guys that will either. I'm
Speaker 1: not a local guy in Atlanta as well. But from
Speaker 1: the clips on six point eighty one thing that I
Speaker 1: can say is a compliment to them is I feel
Speaker 1: that it's fifty to fifty when I see the clips
Speaker 1: of some of the segments that they do, especially on
Speaker 1: the Braves. Seven of the segments that I look at
Speaker 1: and I'm like, where are these guys coming up with
Speaker 1: this stuff? Some of the segments I'm looking appen. You know,
Speaker 1: that's some really good thoughts if you have that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've they've had I've watched clips before and I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, that's like, yeah, talk radio is not
Speaker 2: always the highest bar, but like I've listened to clips
Speaker 2: on them for like, that was a really good point
Speaker 2: they made.
Speaker 1: So if you can balance hot takes that that cheering
Speaker 1: up conversation with you know, insightful information, that is a
Speaker 1: reason why you go twenty five years. So congratulations to
Speaker 1: those guys. You know, obviously six said he has a
Speaker 1: great relationship with the Braves. I know that they've had
Speaker 1: some fun moments with Alex and Topless as well, and
Speaker 1: they've let him have it when they when they've talked
Speaker 1: to him. So again, you know, a quarter century of
Speaker 1: great content. So so best of luck to each of
Speaker 1: those guys. It's it's always awesome, you know, to see
Speaker 1: the respect that's given to so many different parts of
Speaker 1: you know, so much, part of so much. Braves country
Speaker 1: has so many great minds and just pure fans of
Speaker 1: the sport. So congrats to them on a great run.
Speaker 1: But hey, the thing about it is, it's here. We
Speaker 1: talked about it for weeks now. This is the stretch
Speaker 1: of the schedule where the Brave got to make sure
Speaker 1: again those footstep getting lader when it comes. When it
Speaker 1: comes from the Phillies, You've got gain two. See big
Speaker 1: series in September against them on the horizon. You don't
Speaker 1: want to get behind the eight ball anymore than you
Speaker 1: already are. Get the job done over the next six games.
Speaker 1: I'll take a split all day long. But you know what,
Speaker 1: It all starts with step one and if sale can
Speaker 1: beat the Zarowski tomorrow, that'll be a huge, huge benefit
Speaker 1: to the Braves. For Steven Tober. You can find even
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