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Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Grim and Mild from Aaron mankey Major Keyhole, as author

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Speaker 1: of the book Flying Saucers Are Real. What is your

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Speaker 1: opinion of these new sightings of unidentified objects? With a

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Speaker 1: little due respect to the Air Force, I believe that

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Speaker 1: some of them will prove to be of interplanetary origin.

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Speaker 1: During a three year investigation, I found that many police

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Speaker 1: have described objects of substance and high speed. One case, Polished,

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Speaker 1: reported their plane was buffeted by an object which pest

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Speaker 1: On the night of September Ninette Betty and Barney Hill,

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Speaker 1: a married couple from Portsmouth, New Hampshire, journeyed home from Montreal.

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Speaker 1: As they passed through New Hampshire's White Mountains, they had

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Speaker 1: a UFO sighting that began with a light in the

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Speaker 1: was there more to this story? They arrived home at

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Speaker 1: least two hours later than they had expected. What had

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Speaker 1: happened during that time? I'm Toby Ball and This is

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Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals Episode two Men in the Road. Shortly after

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Speaker 1: the uf encounter, on the night of September, searching for answers,

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Speaker 1: Betty Hill went to the Portsmouth Public Library, where she

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Speaker 1: checked out a book titled The Flying Saucer Conspiracy by

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Speaker 1: Major Donald E. Keyhoe. That was Major Keyhoe speaking at

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Speaker 1: a press conference at the beginning of this episode. He

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Speaker 1: was an Air Force major and the co founder of

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Speaker 1: the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena or NIECAP, a

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Speaker 1: prominent UFO investigation organization in the nineteen fifties and sixties.

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Speaker 1: We'll look at NIECAP later in this episode. The Flying

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Speaker 1: Saucer Conspiracy was published in nineteen fifty three. The basic

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Speaker 1: story is that Major Keyho investigates UFO encounters and the

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Speaker 1: government's knowledge of them. The government, of course, tries to

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating. As a work of nonfiction, it doesn't hold

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Speaker 1: up very well. This excerpt gives you a taste of

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Speaker 1: what the book is like. The moon could have been

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Speaker 1: inhabited long ago, been abandoned as conditions changed. It's creatures

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Speaker 1: could have reached Mars and established a civilization there to

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Speaker 1: return home only at frequent intervals. For perhaps they used

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Speaker 1: or there may never have been a Moon race at all.

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Speaker 1: The lunar sphere could have been occupied by outsiders from Mars,

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Speaker 1: for example, or from a planet beyond our Solar System. Gradually,

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Speaker 1: a base could have been built up, most of it

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Speaker 1: Moon is a space base would explain the strange lights

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Speaker 1: of the past two centuries, as well as the mysterious

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Speaker 1: radial cracks or lines which might be caused by intense

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Speaker 1: heat from blast offs. This unknown race might have regarded

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Speaker 1: with increasing interest our own world. They too, may fear

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Speaker 1: Our explorations. There was another possible answer. The creatures on

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Speaker 1: other planets. We might never know until we reached the Moon,

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Speaker 1: unless one of their spaceships landed on Earth. You have

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind that when this book was written,

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Speaker 1: Eight years later, in nineteen sixty one, when Betty and

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Speaker 1: Barney had their encounter, there were fewer than ten satellites

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Speaker 1: Near space was a far more mysterious place sixty years ago.

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Speaker 1: The culture surrounding UFOs was also different. Popular interest in

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Speaker 1: of the podcast The Saucer Life, where I look at

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Speaker 1: Flying Saucerer history and lore in all its various forms.

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Speaker 1: George Adamski was an interesting figure because he started off

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Speaker 1: At the time of the Hills encounter, Nightcap was the

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Speaker 1: After reading Donald Keyhos The Flying Saucer Conspiracy, Betty contacted Nightcap.

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