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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From House to Wards dot Com. Hello, I'm Molly Edmunds

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Speaker 1: and I'm Kristin Conger and welcome to our super south

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Speaker 1: By Southwest Stuff Mom Never Told You podcast, Live Live

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Speaker 1: Live I've Never told you. We talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: gender and relationships and how the genders interact. So we've

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Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking about monogamy and problems

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Speaker 1: people have with monogamy, adultery, the seven year itch, and

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Speaker 1: the idea that marriage for love is kind of a

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Speaker 1: new idea when you look at the history of marriage.

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Speaker 1: So that brings us to our topic for the day,

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Speaker 1: which is one of our most requested podcast topics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about polyamory today because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about monogamy and especially the challenge

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Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. And a group of

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Speaker 1: to all these problems we have with monogamy, and that

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Speaker 1: is polyamory. But before we talk about what polyamory is, Molly,

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Speaker 1: maybe you'd be better for us to first explain what

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Speaker 1: polyamory is. Not sure. We did one episode about the

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Speaker 1: so called new monogamy, which is having sex with people

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Speaker 1: just the idea that you satisfy a physical urge. So

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Speaker 1: people call it swinging, uh, an open marriage just you know,

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Speaker 1: don't ask, don't tell, um. But that's one option. But

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Speaker 1: polyamory takes it into the love spectrum and says that

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Speaker 1: basically because they really think that they have kind of

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Speaker 1: than you know, settling for just this one person, these

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